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    Coronavirus: The Home Lockdown Survival Guide

    Your all-in-one resource for staying healthy, sane & solvent
    by Adam Taggart

    Thursday, March 19, 2020, 7:00 AM

Lockdowns are rippling across the world this week, with an accelerating number of cities, counties — and entire countries — issuing mandatory ‘shelter in place’ orders.

Whether you saw this coming or not (and way too many didn’t), here we all are. Stuck at home for….how long? We don’t know yet.

A few weeks? A month? Two months?

It all depends on the degree and intensity of the spread of the covid-19 virus in our own communities. Local mileage will vary.

So, how are you going to make it through this prolonged period of house arrest? Without getting sick, going broke, or being driven crazy?

As the folks who have been updating you daily since January on the unfolding coronavirus outbreak, here’s our definitive Home Lockdown Survival Guide.

We’ve written this to be a comprehensive collection of the resources you need to stay safe, sane and solvent through the covid-19 crisis. And it’s a great tool for getting everyone in your household on the same page — print it out and have them read it.

In it, we cover these key essentials:

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 7:25am

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    ao

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    excellent article but with one caveat and one major omission

    Watch the vitamin A.  It’s easy to overdose.

    Pray.  And ask for forgiveness.  It’s evidence based.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/the-power-of-prayer-science-proves-it-works-has-positive-physiological-effects

    It relates to what this is all about.  This is not about a virus, living or dying, surviving or thriving.  It’s about relationships.  And it’s especially about the most important relationship you will ever have … that with your Maker.  This event will strip away your trust in things.  It will strip away your trust in institutions.  It will strip away your trust in other people, even some of those closest to you.  It will leave you realizing you can truly trust only one thing, the Source of All Things.   God bless, folks.  We’re gonna need it.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 7:36am

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    brianwilliams82

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    notes from the Czech Republic's 'karanténa'

    We have been – officially – under quarantine since Sunday night.  People are taking it stoically so far.  State of emergency was declared last Thursday with progressively stricter measures taken since then, leading up to the quarantine.

     

    – all non-essential shops have been closed.  Food shops, pharmacies/drugstores (dunno what they’re called in North America, shops that sell washing powder/cosmetic stuff along with medicines), fuel stations and 1 or 2 other exceptions.  Tailoring shops were an addition once the mask shortage was exposed and people started to make their own.

    – masks now mandatory in public.  Or rather, any kind of covering that hides the mouth and nose.  An ‘anything is better than nothing’ job.  Contradictory to an informational leaflet sent by post last week to all households stating that masks shouldn’t be worn, but let’s forget about that, shall we?

    – people have been instructed to simply go to work if you have to and then go straight home.  This isn’t proving troublesome at the moment as there is nothing in the way of post-work entertainment that is allowed to open.

    – people ARE allowed to go outside for fresh air/walk dogs etc, but authorities have appealed to people to take a moderate approach to it.  That the most important thing – by far – is to not congregate with anyone outside of the people that you live with.

     

    – seniors are the only ones allowed into foodshops/drugstores between 10am and noon.  quite a reasonable measure, in my view.

    For my part, I donated 4 excess N95 FFP3 masks that I bought at the end of January to our local hospital – they were gladly accepted.  I kept one for myself and the other half and that will do.  Those doctors and nurses are more important in this situation than I am.

     

    I do have to say that it has not really been that bad so far.  I am able to work from home but I work with the UK and as things tighten up over there, I’m expecting to be able to do less and less.  At the moment, it’s alright.  We have not needed to go shopping since Sunday morning – prior to the lockdown – so I don’t know what the shops are like.

     

    What the lockdown HAS done is reduced 6 ‘social’ interactions down to 1 as follows:

     

    1. trip to work

    2. at work

    3. walkabout at lunchtime

    4. return trip from work

    5. partner’s morning walkabout with 3-year-old daughter

    6. partner’s afternoon walkabout with 3-year-old daughter

     

    The only outings we have had for the past 4 days have been an afternoon walk in the wood just beside our building where there is plenty of room to avoid everyone else.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 7:51am

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    Lockdown Coming

    I have a cousin who is a Houston police officer and a cousin with DoD connections.  They are both saying this morning that a US lockdown is likely next week.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 7:58am

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    RebelYell

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    Think it''s quite possible to interpret the data we have such that CFR probably around 0.2% and the epidemic will be over in 2-3 months

    I think the data we have is not being properly analyzed.  I have posted some of my thoughts in various comments, but to pull everything together would make for a comment which is too long to read.  Therefore I have written my own article explaining how I look at the data here: https://towardsabettersociety.home.blog/

    I hope it’s not considered rude to post a link to my blog here.  This is the first real blog article I’ve ever written – basically my blog doesn’t really exist and I certainly don’t make any money from it – the article was largely written as a response to the discussions here, and I may never write another.

    Rebel

    PS  Thanks to AKGrannyWGrit for the suggestion that I write my own article if I wanted to disagree with Chris 🙂

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 7:58am

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    Laurie Lou

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    NSAID’s. Aspirin, Ibuprofen make it worse

    We are hearing from the medical community to only use acetaminophen, (Tylenol) paracetamol in Europe. NSAID’s are said to make patients much worse. I believe there was a connection between aspirin and deaths in the Spanish Flu epidemic as well. I notice that NSAID’s are suggested as helping in some of your instructions maybe that should be adjusted.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 7:59am

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    Nate

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    long term perspective

    While no one has a crystal ball, we at Peak Prosperity have been warning for years about the risk of such a market breakdown. From our perspective, while there will likely be some relief rallies in the coming days and weeks, we think the structure of the market (as well as the vigor of the global economy) is being permanently impaired.

    Meaning: we won’t be returning to “the way it was before”. And that lower prices are highly likely over the rest of the year……..

    Image result for long term dow chart

    Son # 2 asked why  went to cash a few weeks ago.  I shared this plot with him.  The Dow peaked in 1929 and took till 1954 to return to the same level.  25 years.  So, if this pattern roughly repeats, I’ve seen the Dow peak in my life.

    My concern is less financial and more what freedoms get stripped from us the next few months.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 8:10am

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    karen is a farmer

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    Awesome article!

    Really great, thank you!

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 8:22am

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    Food for thought...

    …and for action. Now that many of us are, have been, or are about to be in lockdown, and the adrenalin drive is subsiding, we can take some time for breathing and deeeep thoughts. I was a fireman and EMT, so my first reaction to an emergency situation is, of course, “Oh, shit.” Then training, mental or physical, kicks in and the response tries to adapt to the changing  circumstances. There is always a let-down when the need for action lessens, but that can be used by cataloging–yes, write things down. Gather your group and go over what went well, what could have gone better, what you will be improving.  It is very important to give atta-boys to all involved first. Take your time, everyone likes to be praised. Use your own actions first as an example of something to be improved. “Man, I was about to royally screw up–thanks for catching that, Bud. I owe you.” The most valuable thing about this time is that you are setting the stage for future discussions. You are taking the fear out of making mistakes. If ever someone needs to be dressed down, for Pete’s sake, do it in private. And intersperse the criticism with more atta-boys. Always keep your desired result in mind. Do you want a pissed-off bunch of individuals or do you want a functional crew who like and respect each other. Remember to treat your family as well as you would treat an honored guest because they are honored guests in your life.

    Sorry, I got a bit carried away there. These are the ways I expect myself to act. I do my best, but sometimes it is necessary to just admit that sometimes buttitude gets the best of us all. Use humor and smart-assitude whenever possible. Laughter releases endorphins and puts more oxygen in your blood. Most of us have pulse oximeters now, check it out…lol

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 8:45am

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    NickAdams10

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    Question about groceries

    “As you’re able, get groceries, daily if you can, buying extra on each trip to increase your home food stores.”

    If I do daily runs into grocery stores, I am going to run out of masks pretty quickly. Should we be looking into curbside delivery? Something else?

    If this lasts three months, my family of four is going to be low on food.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 8:50am

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    About the sun

    Exposure to direct sun is essential.  The recommendation above is a start but entirely inadequate.  You need to be as naked as possible for as much time exposure as possible, without burning.  Vitamin D is very important and needs to come from the sun, not supplement, but it is about much more than Vitamin D.  Set up a privacy screen.  You want all parts of the solar radiation to penetrate as deeply as they can.

    And while you’re about it, ditch as much nnEMF and excessive blue light as you can.  All of it adversely affects your immune system.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 9:08am

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    Great article and thank you for being a great resource durring this time!

    Hello from Vegas,

    Things are getting a little weird here in Sin City, but we are in much better shape for things to come, thanks to the great information here at Peak.  Both my jobs evaporated this week, and all non-essential business have now closed.  The strip is now dark.  However, the freezers are stocked,  the other supplies are put in, and our the spirits are high….and we will see whats happens next.  Thanks again and please keep up the great work!  It is so much easier to face an uncertain future with a good reliable source of current, accurate, quality information.  Take care…

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 9:20am

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    karenchantal

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    Thank you

    Thank you for the article.  Food turns out to be the easy part.  My husband is snapping at me and we have hardly yet begun the lock down.  I have no idea how I am going to manage our home.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 9:36am

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    Rebelyell’s Alternative Article - Worth A Read!

    Excellent article, great points and much food for thought.

    It seems to me the old saying – something like, the victors get to write the history applies.  The numbers that decisions are based on are certainly not accurate but support the narrative.  My take-away perhaps the narrative should be different but it serves the agenda of those in power. Hmmm

    Well done Rebelyell!!
    His article is worth a read folks!  #4 above

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 10:13am

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    Rebelyell's article

    I mainly like the ending : )

    My favorite tweet ever is one from Dave Collum, a friend to this website;

    I am a “conspiracy theorist”.  I believe men and women of wealth and power conspire.  If you don’t think so, then you are what is called, “an idiot”.  If you believe stuff but fear the label, you are what is called, “a coward”.

    I may ask for that on my grave stone.  New World Order anyone?  Oh look, an intact passport that was ejected from one of the terrorists who was flying the plane and who was otherwise completely incinerated and obliterated as the cockpit and other contents of the plane traversed the interior of the building.  Fancy the luck of that!

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 10:13am

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    Mike Anderson

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    Lockdown for recovered?

    If there is significant immunity for those who have recovered from COVID-19, it would be better for all of society to allow them to work and travel, with qualifications such as hygiene procedures and an official endorsement based on laboratory testing.  I’d love some proper testing to confirm that I’ve recovered from COVID-19.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 10:26am

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    robie robinson

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    Naked as possible?

    set up a privacy screen? Ain’t nobody gonna do a second take on this old farmer.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 10:32am

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    Point/Counterpoint on Ibuprofen Use Re Covid19

    I’m going to go with Tylenol first and hold my ibuprofen in reserve. Will use it in a pinch (or trade it to people I don’t like for good stuff, lol)

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/18/818026613/advice-from-france-to-avoid-ibuprofen-for-covid-19-leaves-experts-baffled

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 10:43am

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    Distilled Water

    I purchased a small distillery about ten years ago. I have a battery backup and I needed distilled water to maintain the lead acid batteries. Over the past decade, I rarely used the machine. With distilled water .99 cents per gallon, it was easier to buy six gallons of distilled water for the batteries.

    I run a humidifier at night to help me breathe with allergies. I learned over the years that humidifiers will break if you use tap water or well water. Also, a problem for oxygen concentrators and nebulizers. I’ve been using the distillery since November for my humidifier because it’s easier to make distilled water at home than to go to the store and lug home water every few days.

    For those of you planning to treat at home with any of the above machines, it might be smart to consider a distillery, if only for the convenience and safety of staying away from the store.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 10:43am

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    News Flash - It’s Not Just A Pandemic It’s An Info-Demic as Well

    https://youtu.be/hB2ihQny4uI

    This site is at risk as well – take a listen.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 11:08am

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    Practice Mask Rotation

    “As you’re able, get groceries, daily if you can, buying extra on each trip to increase your home food stores.”

    If I do daily runs into grocery stores, I am going to run out of masks pretty quickly. Should we be looking into curbside delivery? Something else?

    If this lasts three months, my family of four is going to be low on food.

    Nick, as long as you have three masks you will be fine. Seems like the longest virus particles survive is 14 days. So get three masks and three ziplock bags. Label each mask and bag with “A, B, C”, matching bag to mask. First week, use mask A to go out. Come home, put mask in bag outside, then put mask on shelf. Date the bag.

    Next week use mask B. When you return do the same thing, bag the mask and date.

    Third week, use mask C. Do the same.

    Fourth week, open Mask A’s bag and use the now safe mask. Its been at least 14 days (more like 18-21).

    Continue the rotation as long as you need.

    Now I would probably toss a half cup of rice into each bag to control moisture, since your breath will soil the mask slightly and you don’t want things to be growing on the mask while its in a sealed container.

    You could even eat the rice after its been used though I’d cook it really well, lol.

    ADDED: Sorry, just saw you were discussing daily, my bad. The concept is still the same though you’d need a lot more mask. Unless you are in real need you could probably go to bi-weekly shopping trips. If short on masks, use heat sterilization (30 minutes at 170F).

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 11:18am

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    Business Opportunity?

    You need to be as naked as possible for as much time exposure as possible, without burning.  Vitamin D is very important and needs to come from the sun, not supplement, but it is about much more than Vitamin D.  Set up a privacy screen.  You want all parts of the solar radiation to penetrate as deeply as they can.

    Why does my admittedly dirty mind see a business opportunity in outdoor naked webcamming? Strictly as a health related business mind you. Remember, lead by example (at $4.99 a minute).

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 11:30am

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    kunga

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    Sun exposure

    I do 40:40 program.  40 minutes full sun with 40% skin exposure, daily, around noon, standard time.  The most UVB rays are at midday.

    Also, do not wash/shower afterwards.  The scrubbing can wash away the chemical change.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 11:34am

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    Dtrammel - Reminds Me Of A Story

    Our neighbors had a bunch of kids so they rented out their house next to us for a few years to live in a bigger house.  Their renters were a piece of work.  One exceptionally snowy, icy winter we were all anxious for spring.  I thought it was raining but it appeared to only be raining over my neighbors.  Upon closer examination, the new renters thought they could hurry spring and ice and snow melting.  Yep, they hooked up the sprinkler and watered the driveway and lawn.

    dtrammel – sometimes things don’t work out like planned!

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 11:34am

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    Old Military Teaching

     It is very important to give atta-boys to all involved first. Take your time, everyone likes to be praised. Use your own actions first as an example of something to be improved. “Man, I was about to royally screw up–thanks for catching that, Bud. I owe you.” The most valuable thing about this time is that you are setting the stage for future discussions. You are taking the fear out of making mistakes. If ever someone needs to be dressed down, for Pete’s sake, do it in private.

    From my days as an NCO, “Always praise someone in public, always dress them down in private”.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 11:40am

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    karenchantal

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    oh the rumors at work....

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/amazon-temporarily-shuts-down-warehouse-140649897.html

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 11:42am

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    Prayer is a form on meditation.  Whatever floats your boat.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 11:51am

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    Can you speak to the recent comments that Ibuprofen makes the virus worse, and if so, why. Also, I’m hearing that the latest is that it’s causing stomach symptoms before the known symptoms, if those at all. Any fact to this? Thanks for all the hard work to bring the best and most up to date information.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 11:53am

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    Me taking my cat to the vet today #raidthoseplaytherapysupplies

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 12:19pm

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    med, dental visits

    I was able to see my dentist, dermatologist, M.D. right away, all due to others cancelling. I was able to get my dog in to see vet today because of cancellation. I wanted to make sure I had covered all my medical, dental bases before lockdown. I suggest you do the same.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 12:50pm

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    Adventures of Chronic Conditions

    First time using the pharmacy drive-thru window.  Went fine, no need to go into the store.  Used gloves for the transaction.  Guess I’ll just let the bag of medication sit there for a bit, hopefully any virus will deactivate.

    Neighbor was kind enough to provide bananas and bread.  I was ready to begin eating canned goods or SPAM for breakfast, but they were nice enough to provide some perishables for us.  When I provided $20 and received a $10 back, cleaned both sides of the $10 bill.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 1:13pm

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    ao

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    David Icke nails it in this video - a must watch

    DAVID ICKE – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASH

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 1:31pm

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    How to kill Covid before it kills you? Seems legit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e2RXLDa5noW

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 1:52pm

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    drbrucedale

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    The Coronavirus Gets Personal for Me

    The cornonavirus/Covid-19 just got personal for me. My friend, Dr. Sergio Trindade, a Brazilian living in the US, just died of the disease in a New York hospital.

    http://polarconnection.org/profiles-advisory-bo/sergio-c-trindade/

    I hope this is the last friend I lose to this thing, but I don’t think it will be. I hope you and your loved ones are spared.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 1:59pm

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    ao

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    the compounding of coincidences - aren't they amazing?

    Bill Ryan makes a video in 2010 describing a very small and powerful elite group saying “We’re going to give China a cold”.  He describes a viral bio-weapon released starting in China and eventually sweeping through the whole world.  The ultimate purpose: reduce population and increase control.

    Event 201 occurs in October 2019 and describes beforehand, almost the exact scenario which is unfolding in front of us now.  And it occurs at exactly the same time as the World Military Games are taking place in Wuhan, China.

    The World Military Games take place in China and included US military personnel.  There is a conspicuous absence though of Israeli military and of military from British Commonwealth countries (i.e. UK, Australia, New Zealand) except for Canada.  Canada, by the way, was mentioned as a possible source of the virus that supposed originated in China.

    Wuhan was the location of China’s most advanced virus research lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the only declared site in all of China qualified to work with deadly viruses.

    China is hard hit and Iran, of all countries in the world, is also hard hit.  China, of course, is considered the major future foe of the US just as Iran has been considered the key foe of Israel.

    The WHO response to this pandemic was notoriously slow and inadequate.  The WHO, by the way, was founded by the Rockefellers to further their world health agenda.  The Gates Foundation also has a world agenda for vaccination.

    In the economic devastation being wreaked upon the world, small businesses are being hit the hardest and will be given less support than the large businesses.  In Communist Russia, small businesses were targeted for eventual extinction because they represented a stronghold of economic and political independence in thought and action.  The same was true for private land holdings.  Witness the extermination of the kulaks.

    The Chicago Turnpike and the Mackinac Bridge Authority are both now refusing to take cash since cash is “dirty” and may transmit the virus.  Other businesses are now increasingly refusing cash for the same reason.  Digital transactions and digital currency provide a solution and also enable much tighter control of transactions and taxation.

    Phones are now being tracked to help detect the spread of disease.  This same tracking also ups the level of surveillance and control.  More specifically, AI is being used increasingly for tracking and increases the level of surveillance and control.

    To control the narrative and allegedly prevent misinformation, websites, YouTube channels, Facebook postings, etc. that present any information counter to the desired narrative are being increasingly restricted (by demonetization and censorship) or removed.

    Because of restrictions on large gatherings, places of worship are being shut down, voluntarily even, to be in compliance with the social good.  Of course, they can stream their services but participation will likely fall and contributions will likely fall even more.

    The same outcomes for the climate change narrative are now the outcomes desired for the corona virus narrative.  Just as weather transformed into climate change, seasonal infections have transformed into corona virus.

    Measures to address the corona virus all increase the level of governmental, corporate, and household indebtedness.  Who are the parties who benefit from debt and are threatened by the financial independence of citizens?

    Measures to address the corona virus decrease civil liberties and individual freedom in favor of the collective.  Who are the parties who benefit from decreased civil liberties and increased collectivism.

     

    There are no coincidences.  A quote attributed to the CIA but with that attribution now wiped from the Net.

     

    Day by day, more and more is being controlled by fewer and fewer.   David Jeremiah

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 2:02pm

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    drbrucedale

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    Thanks for the information on Tylenol vs. Ibuprofen

    Thanks, dtrammel. I appreciate this answer to the question I had about acetaminophen vs. ibuprofen. I have both medicines, so I will follow your advice regarding the trade. 🙂

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 2:04pm

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    My Condolences Dr. Dale

    All the hype and statistics disappear and life gets real when you lose someone you care about.

    My sympathy to Dr. Trindade’s family.

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 2:09pm

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    Kugs, close but not quite

    Prayer and meditation are different.  Prayer can be meditational in its nature but meditation isn’t prayer.  In religious parlance, prayer is talking to God, meditation is just being with God.  And the emotional state of the participant can be decidedly different between the two.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 2:28pm

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    Thank you, RebelYell

    Thanks, RebelYell.  I read your blog and I agree that the data can also be interpreted the way you interpret them. The problem is in getting reliable data. The cruise ship may provide the best data to support the idea that the CFR is quite low…if hospitals are not overwhelmed. So…all the more reason to practice extreme social distancing until we know what we have here.  A friend of mine just died of this thing, so it is real…but how serious??? (It was 100% serious for him.) Well, we will know sooner rather than later.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 2:30pm

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    Thanks, Granny

    Thank you, Granny. Yes, it gets a lot more real when it is a friend or loved one.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 2:39pm

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    I’m not buying the “coincidences” either

    I see where “they” are going to take us using this crisis and others. And I’m up the road a little bit and I’m waiting for them. 😉

    “Happy Hunger Games. And may the odds be ever in your favor.”

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 2:39pm

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     Nick, as long as you have three masks you will be fine. Seems like the longest virus particles survive is 14 days. So get three masks and three ziplock bags. Label each mask and bag with “A, B, C”, matching bag to mask. First week, use mask A to go out. Come home, put mask in bag outside, then put mask on shelf. Date the bag.

    Next week use mask B. When you return do the same thing, bag the mask and date.

    Third week, use mask C. Do the same.

    Fourth week, open Mask A’s bag and use the now safe mask. Its been at least 14 days (more like 18-21).

    Continue the rotation as long as you need.

    Now I would probably toss a half cup of rice into each bag to control moisture, since your breath will soil the mask slightly and you don’t want things to be growing on the mask while its in a sealed container.

    You could even eat the rice after its been used though I’d cook it really well, lol.

    ADDED: Sorry, just saw you were discussing daily, my bad. The concept is still the same though you’d need a lot more mask. Unless you are in real need you could probably go to bi-weekly shopping trips. If short on masks, use heat sterilization (30 minutes at 170F).

    Thanks for the idea.

    I think daily trips would strain my sanity and resources; plus, I still am employed and would like to remain that way as long as possible. Weekly should suffice. I hope.

    I’ve spent the last five years building relationships with local farmers. We’re going to be leaning more heavily on them in a few months when they start producing. I hope it’s a good growing season.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 2:52pm

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    planfortomorrow

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    Rally song...

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 5:20pm

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    RebelYell

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    Dr. Brucedale

    I’m very sorry to hear about your friend.

    I agree reliable data is the challenge, although I would also add reliable analysis.  Also worth pointing out that even if I am correct and the CFR is not dissimilar to that of the regular ‘flu, the fact that you are ten times as likely to catch this virus still means it’s ten times more dangerous than the ‘flu even if it seems less scary than it would with a much higher CFR.

    The biggest impact of me being correct would be the speed with which the epidemic would be over.

    Rebel

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 5:48pm

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    Comic relief for today

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 6:10pm

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    Level 4 US State Dept. Alert: Don't travel; come home if abroad

    State Department tells Americans: ‘Do not travel’ abroad, come home if overseas

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/coronavirus-state-department-tells-americans-do-not-travel-abroad-come-home-if-overseas/ar-BB11qg9e?ocid=spartanntp

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 6:31pm

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    Good and bad uses of ibuprofen, paracetamol and others

    Retired Doctor John Campbell has much interesting and good advice on NSAIDs, drugs to address fevers, background information on the virus and how it affects the body, etc. Well worth an investment of your time. He has a good teaching style.

    Reducing fever, good or bad

    Reducing fever, Part 2

    Look for other of his videos in his channel.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 6:37pm

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    DIY Mask Tutorial Now Posted

    Ok, better late than never.

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/covid19-diy-mask-tutorial/

    Uses MERV13 furnace filters and a pair of women’s tights. Cost is under a dollar a mask.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 6:43pm

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    mch

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    MUST READ: Professor Sara Sawyer's Decon Station Instructions

    Here’s some very useful information on making your home decontamination station from Univ. of Colorado, Boulder professor of  Molecular, Cellular & Developmental Biology

    https://www.colorado.edu/mcdb/coronavirus-information/professor-sara-sawyers-decon-station-instructions

    also why soap is the best to “kill” virus:

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/deadly-viruses-are-no-match-for-plain-old-soap-heres-the-science-behind-it-2020-03-08

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 7:24pm

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    To a Hammer...

    I’m well aware of David, for many years.  (Was at the lecture in Cleveland when he and Jesse Ventura had their blow-up–that was entertaining.)  He’s striking pretty much the same nail he’s been pounding for decades.

    You did catch the part where he basically repeated the meme of “the yearly flu is more deadly than this virus”?  Also, you may recall it was pointed out weeks ago by Chris in a video that they’ve identified an original S as well as a branch L strain to the virus, which would account for the situations in Italy & Iran.  It’s something that routinely happens in nature.  It doesn’t require a conspiracy.

    Unless we’re flawlessly accurate remote viewers, none of us truly can know what transpires within the halls of power.  We can speculate, but in reality we will probably never know for sure exactly to what extent our lives are invisibly controlled.  That would be the whole point of invisibility, wouldn’t it?  Fish, for instance, are born in, move through, breathe, eat, bear offspring and die in the ocean.  But can they see the ocean?  Does anyone know?

    Not just in the current situation, but in any event where we find ourselves in peril and at the mercy of forces larger than ourselves, I tend to see it as passengers on a run-away bus.  The driver has the peddle to the floor, heading straight for a cliff.  Is he an incompetent idiot who doesn’t really know how to drive, or is he a homicidal lunatic who wants everyone on the bus to die?  Ultimately, what truly matters in that situation is that the bus is heading over a cliff.  The motivation of the driver is of remotely secondary importance to that singular fact.  And it kind of seems like that is where one’s attention should be focused–on what can be done about the dive off the cliff.  Speculation about the intent of the driver is a indulgence better left to more leisurely times.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 7:51pm

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    TurquoiseRose

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    Taking cat to vet- Please be safe

    Please wear goggles.  Dress for success like the S. Koreans.

    Image

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 8:02pm

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    TurquoiseRose

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    Methylene blue for Corona virus

    We can use methylene blue to manage all kinds of oxidative stress-related diseases.

    Good news from Dr. Halasa, CEO of Nitromedicine

    His methylene blue photodynamic protocol is adapted by the Chinese.  The preprint is available.

     

    https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-17718/v1

     

    Preprints are preliminary reports that have not undergone peer review. They should not be considered conclusive, used to inform clinical practice, or referenced by the media as validated information.

     

     

    General Biochemistry

    Methylene blue photochemical treatment as a reliable SARS-CoV-2 plasma virus inactivation method for blood safety and convalescent plasma therapy for the COVID-19 outbreak

    Changzhong Jin, Bin Yu, Jie Zhang, Hao Wu, Xipeng Zhou, Hangping Yao, Fumin Liu, Xiangyun Lu, Linfang Cheng, Miao Jiang, Nanping Wu

     

    DOI:

    10.21203/rs.3.rs-17718/v1

    Abstract

    Background

    With the outbreak of unknown pneumonia in Wuhan, China in December 2019, a new coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) attracted worldwide attention. Although coronaviruses typically infect the upper or lower respiratory tract, discovery of the virus in plasma is common. Therefore, the risk of transmitting coronavirus through transfusion of blood products remains. As more asymptomatic infections are found in COVID-19 cases, blood safety is shown to be particularly important, especially in endemic areas.

    Study Design and Methods

    BX-1, an ‘AIDS treatment instrument’ based on methylene blue (MB) photochemical technology, developed by Boxin (Beijing) Biotechnology Development LTD, has proven that inactivation of lipid-enveloped viruses such as HIV-1 in plasma has high efficiency, without damage to other components in the plasma, and proved safe and reliable in clinical trials of HIV treatment. In order to confirm the inactivation effect of BX-1 in SARS-CoV-2, we used the SARS-CoV-2 virus strain isolated from Zhejiang University for plasma virus inactivation studies.

    Results and Conclusion

    BX-1 can effectively eliminate SARS-CoV-2 within 2 mins, and the virus titer decline can reach 4.5 log10 TCID50/mL. Faced with the expanding epidemic, BX-1 is safe for blood transfusion and plasma transfusion therapy in recovery patients, and the inactivated vaccine preparation has great potential for treatment in the current outbreak.

    KEYWORDS
    Methylene blue, Photochemical treatment, SARS-CoV-2, Plasma virus inactivation, Blood safety and convalescent plasma therapy, COVID-19 outbreak

     

    Inactivation of three emerging viruses – severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus, Crimean-Congo haemorrhagic fever virus and Nipah virus – in platelet concentrates by ultraviolet C light and in plasma by methylene blue plus visible light.

    Eickmann M, Gravemann U, Handke W, Tolksdorf F, Reichenberg S, Müller TH, Seltsam A.

    Vox Sang. 2020 Jan 12. doi: 10.1111/vox.12888. [Epub ahead of print]

    PMID:31930543

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    Inactivation of Ebola virus and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus in platelet concentrates and plasma by ultraviolet C light and methylene blue plus visible light, respectively.

    Eickmann M, Gravemann U, Handke W, Tolksdorf F, Reichenberg S, Müller TH, Seltsam A.

    Transfusion. 2018 Sep;58(9):2202-2207. doi: 10.1111/trf.14652. Epub 2018 May 6.

    PMID: 29732571

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    Methylene blue is starting to be used to treat:

    Degenerative diseases

    Autoimmune diseases

    Cancer

    Pain

    Dermatological diseases

    Inflammatory diseases

    Infectious diseases

    Etc

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 8:16pm

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    bethgreenwood

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    Update for Granny Grit

    First, Dr. Dale – so sorry to hear about your friend’s death. As I mentioned in a previous post, I expect to lose some people, but that doesn’t make it any easier. I doubt that any of us will get out of this unscathed.

    The rest of this is a post for Granny Grit (or anyone else who is interested).

    Let me begin this post by noting that anyone over the age of 65 who lives in California has been told to shelter in place. On Wednesday, I went down to do some legal stuff for my 92-year old stepmother, who just moved into assisted living. Between 10:00, when I arrived, and 1:30, shortly before I left, the facility locked down and now will not allow any visitors except family and only if the patient is dying. The two feet of snow we got Tuesday made things even more difficult for the patients of our clinic – not only locked down but snowed in.

    At our clinic, we just got approval to start seeing patients in what we are calling televisits. We will get our usual fee from MediCal for a telephone visit as long as there is supporting documentation of the same sort we use for a face-to-face visit. So far Medicare hasn’t agreed to televisit payment, but we’re operating on the premise they will follow suit. That means a lot of fleet-footed revising of our usual visit process. For example, we complete various assessment forms, weigh and measure patients, take BP, pulse etc. Can’t do that with televisits. We use medical assistants as scribes to document all the findings from a visit and any orders for things like medications, X-rays and so forth. I’m thinking we’ll put the providers in their offices with the scribe, close the door to minimize distractions and have them turn on the phone microphone so both scribe and provider can hear what the patient says. Certain visits won’t lend themselves to televisits – hard to do a pelvic and pap, or perform vision and hearing tests for a well-child 🙂 we’re still figuring those out – may wind up doing a lot more home visits.

    RNs in California can perform certain tasks under what is called a standardized procedure – a document that has been formally approved by the medical director and administrative staff. The SP expands the scope of practice for an RN and allows us to order in-house lab tests or refill prescriptions as long as the patient meets certain criteria. The way it’s written, if the patient has not had a visit within a certain interval, or hasn’t gotten lab or screening (like a mammogram) done, we can only refill for 30 days. We rammed through an overnight change in the policy (the process usually takes a couple of months) to allow us to renew for 90 days even if the criteria aren’t met. This will be in effect for the duration of the pandemic. Decreases patients coming through the doors in a potentially infectious situation and cuts down on trips to the pharmacy.

    The timing couldn’t have been better. The two feet of snow we got Tuesday shut us down and snowed in a lot of our patients. So today in huddle (first day open since the snowstorm) we developed plans to call, beginning with the older people and the ones of any age we know are most vulnerable. We want to see who needs medication refills and/or food, find out whether they had adequate heat and check on those who are dependent on oxygen. The planning was interrupted by the news that the county backhoe clearing the road into the clinic had broken our water main (which was admittedly invisible under the great berm of snow that had already been piled up). To add insult to injury, the backhoe then drove over the water line from the water main to the clinic. So the minute huddle was over, we sent staff to the Dollar General across the street to buy enough water for staff to drink and so we could flush toilets, while we started calling off the scheduled patients. And since we were closed, we had to notify various agencies, like state licensing. We can’t reopen until we have water – probably (we hope) Monday. Even then, we’ll have to shut off water valves in the exam rooms because we can’t use the water for anything except flushing toilets until we finish testing for coliform bacteria – think E. coli – which means staff can only use hand sanitizer rather than washing their hands between patients.

    My second RN made it in to work today (she had been snowed in since last Friday). I was delighted to see her, as it meant I could deal with multiple snow/water/coronavirus/procedure issues instead of taking triage calls and doing prescription refills. My back office supervisor and right hand woman came in walking very oddly because the previous day she, her husband, sons and two of her cousins had been shoveling snow off the walks and away from the walls to prevent melting snow from causing a flood inside the clinic (as happened to us in February 2019). Our HR/compliance person (who is also our resident disaster prep expert) is out with pneumonia, and I’m her disaster back-up. Then the RN who usually relieves me sent an email from her IPhone that she was in the emergency room of a local hospital with chest pain and dizziness.

    I finally managed to eat breakfast about 1100. I ate my lunch after I got home around 6. Our staff pulled off a tremendous amount of work despite our trials and tribulations. As I told them in huddle; “I said we’d let you know when it was time to panic. Well, here’s the deal – we aren’t going to panic. Our patients need us.” I was so proud of them.

    We did have several light spots during the day (we laugh a lot in our clinic), but the best was when my newly-returned RN came in with a rather odd expression on her face and said she needed to go home a little early. In response to my raised brow, she confided that her husband had apparently taken the dog out for a quick walk on their isolated property. However, he forgot his keys and managed to lock the door behind himself. No big deal, except it seems he was only wearing his skivvies at the time. This with several feet of snow and temps around 4o-42. I don’t know if he’ll ever live this one down…

     

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 8:19pm

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    El777

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    With the equation, any way to calculate the odds of getting infected right now if one must make a trip to Costco or grocery store?

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 8:55pm

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    bethgreenwood

    Beth, welcome to the club my dear you certainly have “grit”.  Wow, obstacles and challenges and you and your team dig in and take care of people.  Your the hero on the front line!!

    Thanks so much for sharing your story.  I know what it’s like to get a lot of snow. As a matter of fact it’s snowing as I type this.

    It sounds like your clinic is facing some challenges and and not just from snow but from social distancing and operational changes.  I can only imagine the frustrations and obstacles you and your team are experiencing.  You sound resourceful Beth, hang in there and I am so glad you have a sense of humor!

    Beth you have been a member for a long time but haven’t posted much.  I, and am sure others, would find what is going on in your clinic and your thoughts interesting.  Please update us.

    Stay healthy and take care of yourself.

    AKGrannyWGrit

     

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 3:25am

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    El777

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    Calculating Current Odds of getting infected if goes for a shopping trip in local city

    I’m trying to calculate what would be the likelihood of someone getting infected if he/she steps outside of the house for a trip to Costco or grocery store right now… would love to hear if my thinking is right.

    I’m picking Austin, TX area as example here…

    2017 Austin population: 1,774,000

    03/20 officially announced # of cases: 50

    03/19 officially announced # of cases: 27

    Change in a day: 23

    Then I assume the test kits are pitifully lacking, and to be conservative, I hypothesize the real # of infections is 1000 times higher. So

    03/20 guestimate # of cases: 50,000

    03/19 guestimate# of cases: 27,000

    Change in a day: 23,000

    Using the formula above: E•p = (23000/27000) = 0.852

    This number is pretty high, the video linked which explains the formula in depths mentioned as of its recording that E•p = 0.15.

    But going with the higher number nonetheless, it means 85.2% of uninfected people with which infected people (27,000) encountered turned into new infections.

    i.e. If on average, 27,000 infected people each encountered one uninfected person in a day (E = 1), then all together they encountered 27,000, and 85.2% of those (23,000) got infected.

    As individuals this means, unknowingly encountering an infected person would translates to 85.2% chance of getting infected oneself.

    I can’t say though with current isolation mandates how out and about are those who are infected…

    But a disturbing thought would be if all together they encountered less than 27,000 people in a day (E < 1), then p would be even higher than 85.2%. Then encountering an infected person pretty much guarantees oneself getting infected too.

    On the flip side, p decreases as E increases. Suppose each infected person on average encounter 12 uninfected people in a day (E=12)*, then p goes down to 0.071. So in this case, each encounter with a infected person translates to 7.1% chance of oneself getting infected . Much much lower than the first two scenarios.

    The question is just on average how many people are the infected people encountering each day to figure out the real p?

    (Also how to take into account that the new infections may have nothing to do with the infections from previous day since those new infections were probably infected days and weeks ago?)

    I can’t figure that out…but what I do know is there’s 23,000 additional infections in a day. So I thought maybe one can just calculate the odds of someone becoming one of the 23,000?

    So I calculated with 23,000/(1,774,000-27,000)=0.0132 or 1.32%.

    And even if infection is guaranteed at 100% after one encounter, the chance of running into an infected person is

    38,500/1774000= 0.217 = 2.17%

    (38,500 is the average # of infected people in 2 days:

    (50,000+27,000)/2=38,500

    This is to take into consideration that # of infections is increasing through the day. So the basis of calculating probability of the day is likely to be more than 27,000, but less than 50,000)

    From today to tomorrow though, the probability will approximately double… Assuming still that E•p = 0.852, then

    3/20 guestimate # of cases: 50,000

    3/21 guestimate# of cases: 92,600

    Change in a day = 42,600

    The chance of being one of the 42,600 new infections is

    42,600/(1,774,000-50,000)= 2.47%,

    And the chance of encountering an infected person is

    ((50,000+92,000)/2)/1,774,000= 4%

    From these numbers**, is it correct to conclude that it’s still fairly safe within the next few days (I want to say 3 days max) to go out and get supplies at Costco and/or grocery store that one didn’t act fast enough to get awhile ago?

    Sorry for the long post… hopefully it’s not useless…feedbacks welcomed!

    *picked 12 according to a random article discussing average daily human contacts prior to this pandemic, and assuming people just aren’t taking social distancing seriously.

    **I’m not considering the officially announced # of cases at all because it’s just improbably low… If anything, it only indicates what the healthcare system is capable of detecting per day.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 3:51am

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    Working From Home in Coronavirus: How Productivity will not Affetct

    Learn how work from home during coronavirus will not affect the productivity of companies. These tips could go a long way in ensuring work from home experience in

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 7:41am

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    I am going to run out of masks pretty quickly. Should we be looking into curbside delivery? Something else?

    I am using mask rotation, but additionally sterilizing masks between use.  I have a UV sterilizer, but you can apparently sterilize a mask by baking it at 170f for 30 minutes (dtrammel posted research on this a few days ago), without doing damage to the mask.  I also sterilize other stuff I take outside with me, but I’m quickly learning that I don’t need to take as much stuff with me.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 8:09am

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    About the Sun

    Sunshine is important, but moderation is important also.  If my wife did what you suggest, she would die of skin cancer.

    We do so love to megadose on things we believe are healthy.  It’s why so many supplements are orders of magnitude higher than RDA.  What happens when you megadose?  One thing that may happen is that your body’s receptors are all clogged by the megadose, blocking other important nutrients from being absorbed.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 8:21am

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    Prayer vs meditation

    When you are praying, are you listening?

    I can imagine a scene where someone is fervently praying while God is saying, “if you’d shut the heck up, you could hear what I’m saying,” but the person praying can’t hear because they are too wrapped up in prayer.

    You guessed it.  I’m a fan of meditation, prayer, not so much.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 8:57am

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    Les, talking should be a two way street obviously

    I’m a fan of both.  Both are proven and each has its place.

    Eclesiastes 3:7 A time to be silent and a time to speak.

    Psalm 46:10 Be still and know that I am God.

    Philippians 4:6  Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 9:03am

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    Torii

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    DIY Masks: T-Shirts & Pillowcases for the Win

    A Hobbesian choice now: I had planned to use the old tees as rewashable tissue paper.

    What Are The Best Materials for Making DIY Masks?

     

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 9:03am

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    ao

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    three key principles of health include balance, cycles, and individuality

    Balance means no megadoses.  None is not good.  Some is good.  Too much is too much.

    Cycles mean there is a optimum time for moderate exposure.  Avoid high noon sun but do get sunshine.  Get more sun exposure during the times of year when the sun is not as high in the sky.  Get less sun exposure during the times of year when the sun is high.

    Individuality means a light skinned Celtic redhead is not going to tolerate as much sun as a dark skinned African.

    A lot of it is just common sense.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 9:45am

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    Nate

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    COVID-19 testng delays

    Been thinking about why it has taken so long for mass testing of COVID-19.  Other nations have run circles around the US, so I think something else is going on.  We can all read the articles on the delays, but they don’t quite ring true.

    If testing were available, wouldn’t the vast majority line up to get tested?  Wouldn’t this be a great opportunity to capture the genome of everyone in this country?  Has it taken the CDC this long to get their ducks in a row to capture this data?  What would they do with this data?

    No – the CDC has our best interest at heart.  Must have been something I had for breakfast.

     

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 10:01am

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    RebelYell

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    I've been updating my article - more and more convinced that the fear and panic is massively overblown

    Main hypothesis – lack of testing means CFRs massively overstating actual risk

    Sub-hypothesis – R0 higher than suggested meaning virus spreading fast so large numbers of people get infected very quickly leading to a temporary surge of patients in hospital

    Conspiracy theorist view:  We’re being played by someone with an agenda.  Testing was deliberately hamstrung in the US in order that this crisis could be created.  Not saying I know this for a fact, or that it’s true.  I don’t.  But if there is a conspiracy – this is it.

    Main article https://towardsabettersociety.home.blog/2020/03/19/corona-virus-case-fatality-rate/

    UPDATE 1: Mean age of fatalities in Italy 81.  2/3 already seriously ill.

    UPDATE 2:  We’ve been here before with swine flu where “the estimates based on confirmed cases were up to 500 times higher than those based on symptomatic cases or infections”.  In other words the reported CFRs for swine flu were worthless nonsense.  The same is true for corona virus.

    UPDATE 3:  Singapore

    Singapore has zero deaths from 385 cases.  The exact number of tests are also not tracked on worldometer, but this article (http://theconversation.com/why-singapores-coronavirus-response-worked-and-what-we-can-all-learn-134024) notes that less than 1% of their tests are coming back positive so we know that they have tested at least 38,500 people (more than half as many tests as Italy) to find just 385 cases. Here’s what the article says about the testing process: “On testing, the threshold for getting a test is pretty low. For the first week, we tested only people from Wuhan or Hubei province, then we tested anyone who had been in China within the last 14 days.  By the end of January, all of our public hospitals could do tests. Then we moved to enhanced screening – we tested anyone coming to a hospital with a respiratory illness, anyone who had been in contact with a COVID-19 patient.  Now, it’s even become more liberal. If you’re a hospital staff member with a mild cold, we’ll give you a test.”   This recent study suggests that 86% of infected people are completely asymptomatic.  If this is correct then even Singapore is missing a large number of cases, and so has considerably more than 385 infected people and they still have zero deaths.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 10:56am

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    DaveDD

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    Re: Fear and Panic overblown

    Hi RebelYell,

    I read your post. I liked it a lot. Indeed there are some aspects that puzzle me. What I understand from the Dutch cases however is that, compared to the flu, HB19 patients in ICU have a much higher probability to die, and the time they occupy the beds is also much longer. I also believe that the CFR is way smaller than the 3%. On the other hand, the load for the healthcare system is considerably larger for HB19 as compared  to the flu: now is not a good time to suffer a heart attack. The rational, lean design of our companies, organizations and infrastructure leads to a very fragile society. Combined with an enlightened view on what “to be human” entails, strong non-linear behavior is the result of a system shock like HB19. If we, as a society, would decide that we do not care about the old, the weak and the sick, there would be less of a problem; but in my opinion we would have lost the right to think of ourselves as humans. The world is already cold and sometimes  rather ugly, the choice not to care would make it a living hell imo.

    Thanks for your critical view, and very well written blog!

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 11:07am

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    RebelYell

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    DaveDD

    Yes – I think your points are likely true.  And if they are I would argue that our current approach is badly wrong and fails to protect the elderly.

    If we isolate everyone we are dragging out the epidemic for a long time, but also basically ensuring that everyone still has about the same chance of eventually catching the disease because it won’t stop spreading until we achieve herd immunity.

    What we should do is isolate the elderly, the immuno-compromised, and the sick as far as possible and allow everyone else to carry on as normal.  That way we could ensure that the rest of us – those unlikely to be severely affected – get the disease at a preferential rate to the elderly.  And those of us that got the disease would become boron rods in a nuclear reactor, and we could hopefully get to herd immunity as quickly possible while as few as possible of the truly vulnerable were infected and therefore protect the elderly without 70%+ of them having to catch the disease first.

     

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 1:20pm

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    RebelYell

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    Reply to EI177

    EI177,

    I haven’t checked through all your numbers, but I did want to highlight a couple of points you made.

    Firstly “Then I assume the test kits are pitifully lacking, so the real # of infections is 1000 times higher”

    Perhaps the number of cases is out be less than a factor of 1,000 – but let’s say you are correct.  What does that say about the fatality rate?  To me it says it’s approaching zero and it doesn’t really matter if you get infected.  For every extra undetected case you postulate to increase your risk of catching the disease, the fatality rate must go down and your risk of dying once infected decreases.

    “But a disturbing thought would be if all together they encountered less than 27,000 people in a day (E < 1), then p would be even higher than 85.2%. Then encountering an infected person pretty much guarantees oneself getting infected too.”

    I don’t think this is a disturbing thought at all.  If this were really the case – and any encounter whatsoever resulted in transmission then it would be the case that almost all of us would already have been infected and the fatality rate would be very low indeed.  I don’t think this is the case by the way, but I do want to make the point that you might panic because this disease is so infective, or you might panic because it is so deadly, but you shouldn’t panic about both at once because the more it is one, the less it is the other.  Personally I do not believe (which is not the same as being certain) I need have any fear of this disease at all.

    Still – we should take measures as a society to protect those that do have a reason to fear: the sick, the elderly and the immuno-compromised.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 4:47pm

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    Sparky1

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    Stunning Columbia U. model US, state and county-level projections of infected, peak

    Wow!  This article and graphics based on Columbia University researchers’ projections is an eye-opener. There are projections at US, state and county levels showing Covid-19 cases and distribution curves and maps for three scenarios:  no transmission reduction, some control measures, and severe control measures.

    County-level projections note percent and number of population infected and estimated date when those cases peak. If you apply currently accepted estimates of case severity (i.e. 80% “mild” cases; 15% serious; 5% severe requiring intensive care hospitalization; and deaths about 3%–or use whatever figures you feel are most accurate) then you can get a sense of how overwhelmed our health care systems will become without imposing any reduction measures. For my county, it translates to about 130,000 infected, and of those 6,500 needing intensive care hospitalization. I am pretty sure we do not have those kind of resources presently.

    Without Urgent Action, Coronavirus Could Overwhelm U.S., Estimates Say

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/20/us/coronavirus-model-us-outbreak.html

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 5:11pm

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    solide91

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    Nobody wants to TEST ME , I'm recovering at HOME. Sickness CASE STUDY AND NEW DATA IMPORTANT !!! !!!

    Watch this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFB_C2ieW5I

    Background: I live in Uk, 28 Years OLD Male, Great condition 60kg, Been practicing Breating and Fasting for 1 year and one meal a day diet Eggs,Fish ,Juicing.
    Please watch the Video before reading the progression of sickness to understand that the amount of virus you catch will dictate how severe is going to be.

    WEAR MASKS !!!!

    12 – 13 March
    Symptoms:
    Started feeling cold than usual while working. No Fever

    This is how it Starts !!!

    Day 1 Sat 14 March
    (DO NOT USE ANY DRUGS APART FROM VITAMINS, THE BODY NEEDS THE FEVER TO BATTLE THE VIRUS.

    5 pm Feever started
    10pm Throat felt infected and pulsing ball of heat.(Now looking at the data I know I got infected with large amount of virus)
    10-11 Started on fluids tea, Vitamin C, and warming legs + head . (Got the fever out, I shouldn’t had)

    No Temperature.
    Withing 5 Hours I lost my voice.
    Throuat inflammation went into the lungs down .
    Big hit at the chest almost paralysing my lungs for 10 sec in cicles.(What happens is because of high amount of virus contracted, too much is hitting the lungs too early, so the lungs just shut down no oxygen and the hearth is saying we need more blood to pump (I’m assuming people are imploding, especially if they take iboprofen , cofee ….)
    With the Breathing exercise (It is really spiritual) people learn to relax and slow their hearth rate while lacking oxygen but their blood is oxyginised
    No Cough
    Shortness of breath has begun with huge inflamation ches + throat Hot

    Staying up almost into the next day. just sleep 2,3 hours.

    Day 2 15 March Sunday
    Day-Night
    Starting Self Isolation,
    Strenghtening body with Vitamins D,C,Zinc
    Morning Breathing ,5 eggs raw(drink), Orange, avacado or banana + carrot + lemon (Its all about oxygen and saving energy(no digestion) for the battle)
    If males have preserved their semen for 4-7 days prior to illness , that energy will be utilized for the battle as well(this all has huge biblical significance)
    Later in day Maybe tuna but just continue on tea ,water, fruits do not overload the system(By doing this I believe your body is able to absorb oxygen a lot quicker from enviroment prior to meat satanic diet )
    Been Practicing breathing 4 times a day

    Day 3 16 March
    Day-Night
    Productive Cough is trying to get out (Posture Change might be needed)
    Notes: Anything antiflammatory is not helpting, since the body has to naturally overcome and win.
    Ramped up Oranges and liquides at night, Eating after 6 is wrong because digestion is using a lot of energy, at night is where you fight this.
    Night time is the fight, I could not sleep for 2 h and then turned on my belly and started having 1h sleeping intervals with sweating every time.
    Oxygen Improved
    Been Practicing Breathing 4 times a day
    Ended up with 6 Hours of productive sleep. GOOD

    Day 4 17 March
    Day-Night
    Felling better ,.Started taking additional vit D pills.
    Breathing Exercise is crutual by doing it you learn how to direct the immune system at a body point not overreacting and heating the body. Basically you become a futuion reactor , self sustained.

    Day 5 March 18.

    Feeling better but the body has taken a hit and there is pain at the back , front and generally feeling the damage.
    Lungs function perfectly.. because of breathing exercises . There is less oxygen in my body and I still feel lack of energy.
    Started having more food , less vitamins and more SLEEP.
    Breathing exercises CRUTIAL !!!

    Day 6 ARCH 19.

    First Night I had 10 Hours SLEEP, i feel rested but very uncoordinated(Probably because long rest).
    Going through breakfast, I went for walk 30 min. Still need recovery but a lot better. Lung pain and back pain almost dissapeared.

    Day 7 March 20.

    NOTHING TO REPORT , ONLY BODY FEELS A BIT WEAK BUT I WILL WAIT FEW MORE DAYS BEFORE Trusting my immunity and get exposed to society(Obviously wearing PPE against High Anoculumb)

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 5:18pm

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    Nimby

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    Starting a Garden: What to Plant?

    Regarding starting a Garden to protect against food scarcity/insecurity I’ve been looking for opinions on what to plant.  I saw some videos which recommended simple “easy to grow” plants like beans, various Asian greens, zuchs (squash), carrots, and radishes.  Anyone have another to add (or recommend against one of these). I’m limited in space (15’x30′) fyi.

    Thanks

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 5:45pm

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    Bruno

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    Can anyone confirm this?

    My wife is a RN and she says it makes sense to her. Anyone see this? Feed back?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e2RXLDa5noW

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 6:11pm

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    kunga

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    Sunshine

    I always sun bathe at high noon.  I eat a lot of salt and saturated fat.  Why?  Because the CDC said not to.    Your mileage may vary.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 6:51pm

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    Good Information on Material for DIY masks

    What Are The Best Materials for Making DIY Masks?

    They do not list furnace filters though.

    DIY tutorial here on Peak Prosperity

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 6:53pm

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    westcoastjan

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    Daily comic relief

    Whew! And not a moment too soon! Sanity will return! 😉

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 7:37pm

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    Copper’s Hu-mom

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    Thanks Adam

    For the really good post.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 8:47pm

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    What we've been doing.

    Well, first off, months ago (early January in fact), we saw the pattern emerging and decided to think for ourselves and not act on the inane public statements of our elected officials here in the U.S. Specifically, we:

    Got busy topping off the preps we’ve already been making for years; long time PP members know we here at Chateau Snydeman have been getting ready for some sort of collapse for years now, and I even have a video up somewhere about what we’ve been doing. We were not caught flat-footed.

    Anyways, as shit started hitting the fan, we decided we needed to look over our spring plans and make sure all was as it should be. Well, as luck would have it, this is the year our garden needs to lie fallow, to rest the soil and get rid of some nasty mold we’ve had to deal with in our tomato and squash plants…

    But hell’s bells, this is a bad time to stop gardening, so the Mrs. and I decided it’d be a good time to convert our 1/5th acre back yard into a full-scale garden, so besides turning the soil, we bought the essential supplies for an anti-deer fence and soil enhancements (mixed with our own compost).

    We also got ahead of the curve by about a month, and bought Elderberries before it became “a thing” and hard to find in our area, and we made some syrup.

    Don’t worry, that’s just the first batch. We made much more.

    Next, we looked to home security, and we added to our firearm collection a Sig-Sauer compact 9mm for the wifey, and a CZ Scorpion with a collapsible stock to fill the gap between our handguns and our AR-10 (“Betsy”), mostly because we like using the same ammunition – have you tried getting ammo right now? – and because the Scorpion got many, many good reviews. However, when rehearsing what we’d do in a home invasion, we realized we’d have about 3.5 seconds to react in the event of a break-in through our front and rear doors, so we MacGyvered a solution that, while not ideal, was budget friendly and enough to give us maybe 30 extra seconds to respond should anyone try bashing in our doors. Perfect? No. Better than before? Yes.

    File this under “stuff I never thought I’d have to do.” God, that file is getting bigger by the day, too.

     

    After triple checking our food and medical supplies – enough to last our family of four at least a year – and making sure we had enough seeds on hand for our whole community if need be, we took a day to remind ourselves why this all matters to begin with, and went to a local park to hike and spend time with each other and our kids.

    This. This is what truly matters; those around us we love and cherish.

     

    May the odds be in our favor, friends. Prepare…by all that is good, prepare! But, don’t forget to live life in the process.

    -S

     

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 8:58pm

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    Sparky1

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    Interview of LA Mayor provide insights re: disconnects and as to what's ahead

    Interesting contrast between how NY vs LA approach to Coronavirus suppression/mitigation. Kudos that LA public health is giving masks to grocery store workers (first, that they recognize that they are needed; second that local government is providing them). Not good that they have received only 200 swabs for testing from the federal government.  The mayor expresses concern (expectation) of a second Covid-10 surge wave in fall 2020. He also mentions his phone conference call with other US mayors in which he urged them to action sooner, rather than later/too late. (This lends credence to the likelihood  of a national lockdown soon, IMO.) There’s more of course, so a worthwhile watch for 10.34 minutes–especially if you’re sequestered in “stay-at-home” mode, isolation, lockdown, quarantine, or any other term that means you’re not out-and-about unless absolutely necessary.

    Los Angeles Mayor: ‘We Also Need To Be Prepared For This 6, 7 Months From Now’

    https://youtu.be/g357YEjpvc0

     

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 9:03pm

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    Great Update

    Thanks for the update, your place looks great.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 9:24pm

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    Re: video on inhaling hot air to kill virus

    I have no idea, but here are some thoughts:

    1. Cell death starts at 106°F and is severe by 113°F.  Could this technique kill the cells that line the nasal passages and in doing so, make one more vulnerable to infection?
    2. The data says 133°F kills the virus in a few minutes.  What happens at lower temperatures like 110°F or 120°F?
    3. I imagine there would be some viral particles in the throat.  The air is probably cooler at that point.  By how much?  Is the air still warm enough help the throat?
    4. There could also be some viral particles in the lungs.  The air as cooled even more by then.  Consider also that the body’s entire blood flow passes through the lungs, making it very difficult to heat them up by inhaling hot air and if you did succeed, I for one do not want to heat the cells lining the lungs to over 106°F. That might be worse than the disease.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 10:18pm

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    kunga

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    Oregon

    Independent labs have opened lots of space to do corona virus tests.  The state has no swabs or containers.  CDC promised 40,000 …sometime.  In the closest large city, cases jumped from one to eight, now community spreading.  Isolated cases starting to pop up in the rural areas.  The clusters north of the border, in Washington, just keep getting larger.  Pardon my language, it’s a clusterf##k.  Headed down to Oregon.  For want of a swab, the test was lost,  for want of a test, the town was lost, for want of a town, the state was lost …so it goes.

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  • Fri, Mar 20, 2020 - 11:42pm

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    centroid

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    here’s a thought, why doesn’t the US invade Brazil and stop them cutting down and burning the rain forest. act to shore up the ecological world instead of the financial world

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 1:17am

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    KeriTheKiwi

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    Creativity to keep you sane

    Hi there PP friends,

    You know the guy who played Tommy in Third Rock From The Sun?  Yeah him…he went on to start HitRecord, a platform where people post different projects and others contribute to them.  In cases where they monetize something if you contributed you can get a share of the profits.  It’s basically a creative playground where people of all levels can join in with music, writing, visual…whatever.  JGL can explain it better…

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 2:07am

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    Watty

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    The living God & Father of Jesus Christ is in control.

    Your Creator and mine is sovereign. Nothing happens in the physical – the natural – without it first being germed in the metaphysical – the supernatural.

    In Hebrew, a faith-based language, there’s no word for ‘coincidence’.

    It’s no coincidence that :

    After ramping up its persecution of people of faith (sent to re-education camps, outlawing Sunday Schools for children, CCTV monitoring of sermons, etc), the CCP was about to rewrite both the Qaran and Holy Bible to make them more Communist/China-friendly. Like God said through Moses to the Egyptian Pharaoh (also an aggressive dictator) “Let my people go”…and then sent plagues to humble him sufficient to change his ways…likewise with President Xi Jinping.

    Next the Islamic State of Iran – the world’s greatest instigator and supporter of terrorism…through its proxies in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Gaza and Lebanon, etc.

    Next the seat of Papal Rome that arrogantly exalts itself to be infallible like God, able to bring down Jesus Christ (Body & Soul) from heaven and into a Eucharist wafer, and as-if-God (in blasphemy) claims to be able to forgive sins.

    Next the Cabal?

    The Lord our God is doing a cleansing.  We must return to Him with repentant hearts and renewed faith…uncluttered with the burdens of materialism, the love of Mammon, the lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, the pride of life and other false securities that have handicapped and frustrated our faith-based walk with Him.

    The time is drawing near when many will be sufficiently humbled (through loss of wealth & health) to truly Repent & Believe.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 2:40am

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    BKKJohn

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    huh??

    Google Translate says the Hebrew translation of “coincidence” is צירוף מקרים.

    So there.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 3:41am

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    Ision

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    In Control?

    Forgive me, but Reason forbids to me your comforting religious faith.  I know how important it is to you and to many others, but I just cannot ignore all the dire contradictions.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 3:44am

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    Ision

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    Hot Air Inhale...

    YOU CANNOT INHALE HOT AIR..OR STEAM..AND KILL THE VIRUS.  IT IS NOT POSSIBLE, AS THE TEMPERATURE REQUIRED WOULD DESTROY YOUR LUNG TISSUES..AND KILL YOU, TOO.

    The retained air in the lungs acts to cool the incoming hot air…and you simply cannot achieve your goal.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 4:06am

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    Praybould

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    Heat to treat

    Some heat might help. I use a steam facial every time I have a cold. Take a large pot with 1/2″ of water and find a setting on the stove (electric/no flames) that generates steam. Drape a large sheet or towel over your head and pot – creating a tent, and breath deeply. Adjust temperature to get it so that it is tolerable, and breath through your nose and mouth. This will help to dislodge phlegm, open nasal passageways, and give temporary relief from coughing.

    I think I might have (or am getting over) this badger… and might repost some of the following under a new subject, but I thought it appropriate to support the heat concept/treatment here.

    I’ve had a bad cough for 7 days, and two days with low-grade fever (100.2 was the highest), and low energy. Yesterday, after doing a steam facial I coughed up a thumbnail sized blood clot. I called my doctor and he ordered a chest x-ray.  The local radiology center wouldn’t take me. My wife, a mostly retired infection control nurse (recently brought back to work at a rehab hospital) navigated the system, and we went to a hospital. They screened me in the ER – which was surprisingly pretty empty. They did both an x-ray and cat scan, as well as a Type A Flu swab – everything negative.

    My doctor would not prescribe Chloroquine, despite passionately arguing for it. I had ordered some from a website a week ago, but the package seems to be stalled in Mumbai, India – since Tuesday (5 days). We have a PA friend (similarly ill and missing work) who obtained Paquenil? – and she spotted me 3 pills. It made a huge difference for her.

    Another doctor who treats my long-standing, previously undiagnosed lyme disease, recommended Xlear nasal spray. That also helps.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 4:43am

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    Rajkumarijay

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    Planting idea

    I don’t have a great deal of experience with gardening but I can recommend growing peas. They grow upwards so you can make a teepee with two long poles and they will climb it. So that doesn’t take a lot of space. I would also recommend that you look up square yard gardening, I think it is called. I have seen where you can grow potatoes in a tall basket and the basket eventually fills with potatoes. I tried it but started too late in the season. I did end up with a bunch of new potatoes though and they were delicious.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 5:52am

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    MQ

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    steam inhalation

    Holding your head over a bowl of ‘steaming’ water, with or without the addition of menthol, eucalyptus, etc., works similar to a nebulizer. It thins the mucus and makes it easier to expel along with anything that might be  trapped in that mucus. Similar to taking a baby into a hot steamy bathroom when it has croup., or standing in a hot, steamy shower when you are ‘stuffed up’ with a cold.  It loosens mucus and relaxes you, which also helps, so you can cough the crap out.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 6:21am

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    shimz

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    Hot air a cure?

    Inhaling air hot enough to kill the virus in your lower lungs? That sounds really risky. I would rather trust the fever to do the job.

    Warmer weather will kill the virus? Up here in the north we usually say that one big reason for larger spread of viruses during winter is that people tend to be indoors much more – that means closer together in a confined space – not the air temperature per se.

    SARS stopped by itself? No. People weren’t as contagious before symtoms, and incubation time was much shorter, which made contact tracing a lot easier.

    “Why don’t they tell us this” – and then they refer to publicly available information from the WHO website. That’s the opposite of not telling. This type of claims sounds the alarm bell for me.

    I am not saying inhaling warm humid air couldn’t make it easier to breathe. But if this was truly a cure – wouldn’t every doctor on the planet be using that very method on every coronavirus patient already?

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 7:49am

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    Ision

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    Hot Air.

    The required temperature to kill the virus, also kills your lung tissues.

    Breathing steam, or hot air, like in a sauna, will do nothing to kill the virus..at all.

    The effects of breathing steam, or hot air, may be good…but, doing so is not going to kill any virus.  Even if you exhaled as much as you can…the retained air inside the lungs mixes with any inhaled air, acting to cool it.  If this did not happen, you would die from lung  damage.

    Ever get into 168 degree water? How about 180 degree?

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 7:54am

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    Mary59

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    Hello

    Hello

    I am wondering if you think that steaming with essential oils like eucalyptus would help at all?  Thank you for your advice.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 8:14am

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    Canadian vulnerabilities exposed

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-coronavirus-is-pushing-the-world-into-unknown-territory-canada-is/

     

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 8:21am

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    Helix

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    Nimby - You need a high-energy food in there somewhere

    In response to Nimby –  I’ve been looking for opinions on what to plant.  I saw some videos which recommended simple “easy to grow” plants like beans…

    You might want a high-energy food in there somewhere.  Examples are potatoes, sweet potatoes, and corn.  Given your space limitations, corn is probably not a good choice.  Potatoes and sweet potatoes are climate-dependent.  Sweet potatoes are a warm-weather crop, so if you live in the far north, potatoes are probably your best option.  Potatoes and sweet potatoes are by far the highest caloric food production options per acre of land.  Having said that, they both store well in cool, dark places, and I don’t really foresee an interruption in supply (but you never know!) so I’d be thinking a small plot just to make sure…

    Two comments on your limited space – consider square-foot or intensive gardening.  There’s lots of good info on the web.  Also consider the 3rd dimension.  Many vegetables can be grown in containers mounted on walls, privacy fences, posts, etc., which can add significantly to your harvest from limited space.

    Next, compost!  For a small garden such as yours, a rotatable compost bin is a good option.  Food scraps, leaves, lawn clippings, small sticks, etc. can all go in and get turned every 4-5 days.  In a month or two – Voila!  Homemade fertilizer!  If you have space in areas other than your garden to grow stuff, try planting some legumes there — clover is perfect.  Peas and beans in your garden are also good choices.  After harvest, the stems and leaves will add nitrogen.  Nitrogen is the only plant nutrient that you can actually manufacture yourself.  Well, your plants can if you choose the right kind.

    Next, do succession planting.  You don’t have to (and shouldn’t) plant everything at once.  If you do, you’ll find yourself also harvesting everything at once, which is not what you want.  This is the most common mistake beginning gardeners make.  For some crops like tomatoes that produce over an extended period, this isn’t an issue.  But for others like lettuce, spinach, beans, radishes, etc. that produce over a short time span, think about what you eat in, say, a three week time span and succession-plant accordingly.

    And finally, keep the ground covered!  Common methods are mulching and plant cover.  Both have their uses.  For unused sections, cover the ground with a permeable dark-colored fabric.  Weeds are nature’s band-aids, so if you don’t cover the ground, nature will do it for you and you’re not going to like how she does it.

    Good luck!

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 8:27am

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    Ision

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    Save the Rainforest...Kill the people!

    People’s minds are so infected.  What you are presented with, and the resources you are provided with, to understand just about anything to do with the climate, or with the ecology…is pure emotional drivel.

    People want to consider themselves champions of the planet and become totally emotionally involved and committed, picking up the banner and waving it, while marching toward, what they think is the good.  It is not their fault, this is to be expected, given what they have been allowed to understand.

    We were all told the rain forest was going to vanish before most of you were born.  They told us we had very little time left to act..and we had to use government force to save the planet.   Never mind the contradiction of trying to reduce atmospheric CO2, which is what the rain forest requires to exist…and from which all life depends..for the creation of oxygen.

    Far from being a pollutant, CO2 is a requirement for life to exist.  The fact is, the MORE CO2…THE BETTER!

    I bet you did not know that the most abundant “green house” gas in our atmosphere is water vapor, not CO2.  And, did you know water vapor absorbs the SAME wavelength of energy, as CO2?  Did you know the saturation of water vapor completely overwhelms the ability of CO2 to effectively play ANY part in warming the atmosphere?  Did you know any energy CO2 may absorb, can be discharged in ANY DIRECTION?  It is just as  likely CO2 will reflect energy back at the planet…at any angle..as it  is to emit this energy away from the planet..and into space….did they tell you that?

    The only reason you feel heat at night in the breeze is due to water vapor..not CO2.

    Just like the total fiction of Global Warming…caused by Man, when the world climate has been cooling down for the last 8,000 years.  The moderate warming we have seen since the 1850s…and the end of the Little Ice Age…to this day…is still colder than Earth was, just 6,000 years ago.

    You will not believe it, but the Climate Alarmists are really just Socialist Propagandists, actively fooling people so they may feel good..about saving us from a fictional threat..as they freely vote away their money, life-style, and freedom.

    The only difference between Communism and Socialism..is the exactly the same as the difference between MURDER & SUICIDE.   They do not need a bayonet at your throat, if they can fool you into voting against yourself.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 8:39am

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    Ision

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    Breathing Steam has benefits..

    Yes, steam alone, can positively effect your symptoms of flu..and congestion.  Adding various substances can act to enhance symptom reduction, such as adding salt solutions has shown to be of comfort to patients with this virus.   However, the beneficial effect stops when you stop using the steam.

    Google this for additional information about actual patient treatment with steam.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 8:39am

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    Helix

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    The Contagion Equation

    equation for viral spread

    Here’s all you need to know about this equation:  The only factor we have direct control over at this point is “E”.

    Well, technically, that’s not true.  We also have direct control over “p”, which control we exercise by keeping our hands clean and by wearing masks and other PPE.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 9:42am

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    Free Online Class: Traditional Herbal Options for Covid-19 Symptoms

    Hi everyone,
    I just received notice of this class.  Matthew and Phyllis are two of the most well-respected herbalist in the US.

    –Suzie

    Learn the latest – Traditional Herbal Options for Covid-19 Symptoms from renowned and respected herbalists, Matthew Wood and Phyllis D. Light!

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 9:59am

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    Holistic

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    The best thing is to protect yourself and family.

    The best thing is focus on the positive and what you can do. Instead of focusing on the “pandemic” ask yourself “what can I do to be best prepared for it.” Since I’m into holistic health and wellness I have a list of natural things anyone can do to be as safe from this outbreak as possible. Coronavirus Prevention

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 10:03am

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    Linda T

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    Re:onlline class

    Thank you, I just registered.

    Linda

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 10:09am

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    MQ

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    out and about??

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 10:10am

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    karenchantal

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    Religon

    Oh my, I see religious posts now.

    I am all for prayer, but still wash your hands.

    I lost my father a little over a year ago to stage 4 cancer and I remember people praying in the chemo center.

    I don’t have a point, I am just BLAH about it.

    Besides, anybody can turn to God when times are bad.  It is when times are good you need to enjoy your family….  The clouds in the sky…  Your favorite meal.

    I am done rambling with no point.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 10:17am

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    Nasty Medical Issues Alert

    I came across these two issues.  Can you guys start lobbying for fixes on in-network restrictions and HIPPA constraints locally.  Especially in small rural areas where many of us are hanging out the hospitals will need our help to get local solutions going.

    1) My disabled dad’s caregiver has a poor insurance policy.  She was supposed to make an apt. with an in-network DR. to get a prescription refilled. His office is no longer taking non-emergency apts.  (Her long-term Dr is no longer available to her.)  We need to force insurance carriers to dispense with their network restrictions.  Depending on where people end up when locked down AND which local hospitals have a bed open a person could easily end up at a non-network facility for not just covid, but other emergencies.

    2)  The Epic medical software company has purposely made their software incompatible with other medical records systems. (of course, they claim HIPPA requires this)  Medical Facilities that claim to be associated with each other can no longer access each other’s records.  Arrive on a weekend, you’re on your own.
    Example, my dad’s GP is the Clinic next door to a local hospital – used to be in the same facilities, same receptionists, etc. and same records.   Now split.  DR is closed today (sat) and I needed to call for some emergency medication – The hospital emergency room could not find his records, as he normally uses an emergency room close to the house, but NOT in his network, because their clinic has his heart specialist.  So, you go to the hospital you think is associated with your assigned clinic and they can’t get your records.
    I’m calling both local hospitals Monday to start them on a way to keep their medical records people and someone from an associated clinic open over the weekends.  ER doc tells me HIPPA nonsense doesn’t allow doctors to access the full records to send to another ER.  That needs to be fixed too.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 10:17am

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    Linda T

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    Worldometers info, U.S. in Boom

    Once I heard of the website, I’ve been checking it. When I started the U.S. used to be in the 8th spot, we moved into 6th a few days ago, and this morning I just found the US in the fourth spot now. Wow.

    Linda

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 10:34am

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    dtrammel

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    St Louis Is Going Into "Shelter In Place"

    The St Louis region just announced a Monday stay at home order. I’m expecting Missouri state to order the same thing soon.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 10:41am

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    kunga

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    Question for those officially grounded

    In those areas in mandated stay at home, what is happening with the post office or delivery services?  Can a person still go to the post office and pick up mail at their PO box?  Can letters/packages still be mailed?  Thanks.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 10:47am

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    Limited space gardens

    If it’s not above freezing nightly where you are, start everything inside now.  Our local stores have the seed starter kits.  Mine are already growing and I’m starting the same things every week so I have stuff in my window boxes now and stuff ready to go in the ground as soon as the frost is out.  If you have access to a coldframe, put it out right away to warm the ground for planting.

    I also laid out a 3′ wide edging of weed control paper around the outside of my garden patch to kill the spring grass so I can add more rows around the outside.  Things I’ve had the most luck with in areas that were sod the year before are root vegetables– Potatoes, radishes, onions, garlic, as they disrupt the grass roots.  I’ve added turnips and parsnips for this year too.  Also, I grow my winter squash in the ex-sod areas.  Squash gets so thick so fast that they deep the grass under control and the sod underneath keeps the squash out of the mud if we have a wet year.  I usually do that as a fall crop, but I’m going to start some sets this weekend and hope to do an early crop and then plant a second set a little later for fall crop.

    First, start the quick spring greens -radish, spinach, lettuce, cucumbers (to pickle). I’m trying radish in window boxes – will see.  I also had a lot of success with Kale transplants last year. Most years I plant the fall crops after summer burns off the lettuce, etc.  Last year we were wet and cloudy and therefore cooler and I was picking my late spring red kale until frost.

    I do broccoli and cauliflower and most importantly cabbage – you can make kraut.  Again you have to grow from sets, which you should start now – just a few seeds every 2 weeks so they are harvested at different times.

    I like green peas, but they have been really hard to grow the past two wet seasons.  Beans usually are easier.  If you’re in an area that’s getting wetter, do pole beans and tie them up.  You should do both green beans and beans that you can dry.  (Some plants you can do both.  They do take a bit of room.

    Another trick I discovered last year by accident because it was wet and they predict the midwest will be unusually wet again this year.  I plant the things that need trellising (beans, tomatoes, cucumbers) along your garden fence (I need to fence for rabbits.)

    Tomatoes are my favorite garden vegetable, they have dozens of uses and they can be canned or dried (and sort of frozen).  However, they are often hard to grow and a lot of work.  I probably wouldn’t try them in my first year if my space was limited.  Peppers, however are a little more hardy and you can get a lot of flavor from a few plants – they freeze well.

    Also, for high intensity gardens our local organic stores have biological soil conditioners that add good bacteria and fungi.  Definitely helps.   For ground cover, in addition to mulch, plant marigolds, alfalfa and clover.  They keep the weeds down and marigolds are bug resistant.  You can look up several other beneficial flowers to sew between the rows, in areas waiting to plant later and around the edges.  Just work them under or walk on them.

    Good luck.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 10:54am

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    kunga

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    Suicide

    Psychopaths want you to commit suicide.  That way, they don’t have to figure out how to dispose of the body.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 11:02am

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    kunga

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    Meds

    Hydroxychloroquin is also used to treat Lyme disease in some cases.  Maybe try your other Dr. who is treating you for Lyme.  Two birds with one stone.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 11:10am

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    Sparky1

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    Lots of company coming today--let's be gracious hosts.

    Hello all,

    Today is Chris’ “day off” from posting a video and Adam will apparently be hosting a video focused specifically on the PP Home Lockdown Survival Guide. The time hasn’t been posted but is typically 3 p.m. PST or 6 p.m. EST for Chris’ videos. I’ve encouraged family, friends and others who are less informed or less prepared to watch today’s video.

    Many, many people are searching for information and answers to their questions about coronavirus and the stay-at-home restrictions/lockdowns.  No doubt PP will receive a LOT of visitors and new members as a result.

    And nearly everyone is stressed and worried.

    This seems to be playing out with some squabbling on the PP threads. Add to that some posts from new members who are unaware of the PP rules and guidelines (here), including those regarding inherently controversial posts about religion, politics and abortion. New members may also be asking questions or seeking information about matters that have already been discussed, sometimes exhaustively, by PP members over the past few months (even years) this site.

    So…I’m asking fellow PP members to be gracious hosts to the many visitors and new members flocking to this site. Please try to be patient and helpful. Direct them to the megathreads as needed. Help them to adjust to the richly informative PP site and on-line community, and our culture of civil, data-informed and respectful discussion.

    Most PP members have had months and years to adjust to this new reality. We took early action to build resilience to weather a pandemic or other threats. We knew this or some other disaster(s) was coming: and now its here.

    Most of the general public is just waking-up and trying to adjust to this new, disruptive reality. PP and the PP community can serve as a trusted resource and refuge for these folks. Lets do what we can to help our visitors, new members and others through this difficult time. Maybe they will come to appreciate the value of building resilient lifestyles and a “world worth inheriting.”

    Thanks everyone! 🙂

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 11:22am

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    TurquoiseRose

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    German sequencing Of Corona virus

    Also, The number of cases in Italy exceeds the number of cases in China That’s mean the virus is evolving into more aggressive and airborne strain !! A virologist at the Charité University Hospital in Berlin, he had sequenced the virus from a German patient infected with COVID-19 in Italy. The genome looked similar to that of a virus found in a patient in Munich, the capital of Bavaria, more than 1 month earlier; both shared three mutations not seen in early sequences from China. Drosten realized this could give rise to the idea that the Italian outbreak was “seeded” by the one in Bavaria, which state public health officials said had been quashed by tracing and quarantining all contacts of the 14 confirmed cases. But he thought it was just as likely that a Chinese variant carrying the three mutations had taken independent routes to both countries. The newly sequenced genome “is not sufficient to claim a link between Munich and Italy,” Drosten tweeted

     

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 11:24am

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    Well Said Sparky

    Timely reminder.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 11:27am

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    Sparky1

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    Watty, Welcome and site guidelines

    Hi Watty, and welcome to Peak Prosperity!

    You’ll find this site and the on-line community of PP members are a rich resource regarding not just pandemic issues, but also about the “Three E’s”: energy, economy and the environment. Our goal here is to build resilience that will ultimately create a “world worth inheriting”.

    We strive to maintain civil, data-informed and respectful discussions among the PP community. Towards that end, PP co-founders Chris Martenson and Adam Taggart have established PP site posting rules and guidelines here. These include not posting on controversial topics such as religion, politics and abortion–not because of any particular inclination of the co-founders, site, or members, but because these topics invariably invite conflict.

    I’m glad you joined the PP tribe. Keep posting!  🙂

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 12:56pm

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    Sparky1

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    Chris' interview with Fox News (3/20/20)

    video:  https://vimeo.com/399200813

    and article:  https://www.foxnews.com/media/toxicologist-reacts-after-trump-announces-fda-making-anti-malaria-drug-available-to-test-covid-19-treatment

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 1:04pm

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    When Was This Video Made?

    The way they were talking it sounded like this was done weeks ago? Any idea on when it was?

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 1:40pm

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    Broadspectrum

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    What To Flush Down the Toilet: The Four Ps

    Hi All,

    It amazes me sometimes what we need reminded of, because some things that I think are so obvious as “No Brainers” (like how traffic lights and pedestrian walk signals work)…well, let me just say they turn out not to be so obvious to persons with no brains (like ironing your shirt or blouse while wearing it. pants are OK…NOT).

    All jokes aside…the only things that s/b flushed down toilets are the 4 Ps: pee, pooh, puke and paper, toilet paper that is.

    I saw on the local LA news last night a story about all the sanitizer wipes being flushed down toilets recently, along with items like dental floss, ear swabs and feminine hygiene products.  But it’s the wipes that are becoming a real problem because they don’t dissolve like toilet paper is designed to do and persons are discarding them like this instead of just throwing them in the trash.  This is causing sewage system problems and clogging up the sewage pipes.  The news reporter was down at one of the large sewage facilities (I think it was Long Beach) and was showing viewers a very large bin full of these wipes and said the bins like the one being shown were filling up at extremely rapid rates.  So don’t do it.  Think before you flush.  I trust that is not too much to ask.

    Back to the jokes, being funny…the one aspect of the news story that could not be conveyed over the TV was the stench of the place.  I have occasionally thought about that while watching TV shows or movies when the character(s) go into someplace with horrible stench or battlefields full of rotting bodies or just anything that stinks to high heavens which would make it difficult to breath if not to wretch.  The movie going or TV viewing experience has been so enhanced over the years with improved visual and auditorial elements but could you imagine if they decided to enhance those experiences with odors including the “bad” ones?  I think that was tried with one of the King Kong movies where the audience was able to smell Kong’s banana breath (or was that at Universal Studios?).  I know this wouldn’t happen because nobody would go to the movies anymore if they were going to have to smell death all around them in a war movie or the odor of chemicals from a crash scene of an overturned truck filled with ammonia or chlorine.  But maybe they should do that for the war movie battle scenes in order to teach the horrors of war.

    Broadspectrum

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 1:41pm

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    Sparky1

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    When Chris' FoxNews video was made

    Hi dtrammel, I wondered about that as well and double checked to confirm that it was posted 3/20/20. I also thought the content was oddly out-of-date by weeks. Maybe they conducted the interview weeks ago and are just now posting it?  If so, I wonder why the delay. Maybe it needed further review by the censorship overlords.

    Maybe Chris or Adam have some insight into the matter.

    PS: The article I posted above to accompany the video has an embedded link to the “Fox and Friends” interview. When I click on that link, I get a list of other Fox articles/videos but not the one with Chris (that I can see).  Strange.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 2:06pm

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    Sparky1

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    Flutrackers resource for regional, local updates

    I haven’t been keeping up with the Flutrackers posts and was astounded on how much it has grown with the explosion of Covid-19 cases and information. The Flutrackers nonpolitical volunteer forum contributors are from public health, medical, emergency and research fields. The provide information, not medical advice. Getting approved to post is next to impossible (from my experience), but the information provided is accurate, well-sourced, and timely. When visiting the site, be sure you click on the forum/sub-forum tab marked “Latest Activity” so you’re reading the most current information.

    Here’s a link to the main site: https://flutrackers.com/forum/

    and the US subforum: https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/united-states-2019-ncov

    There are Flutracker forums and sub-forums for nearly every country, region and sub-regions/states regarding Covid-19; and a lesser amount of information for other respiratory infectious diseases.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 2:18pm

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    Chris' Video

    I also got the impression that Chris’ words weren’t what the Fox host was looking for, or maybe that was just my bias. Perhaps they did the video a while ago as Chris was getting publicity, then sat on it and are only just now posting it since the Fox party line has changed and Chris has gotten to be a media star.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 2:30pm

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    Haiku4U

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    to dtrammel and Sparky1. re: timeline on video...

    I noticed the chryon at the bottom of the vimeo video has the “Iowa caucuses” time clock on the right hand side.

    Iowa caucuses were held on February 3rd, 2020.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 2:30pm

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    Sparky1

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    CA National Guard to Help Distribute Food at Food Banks

    Governor Newsom Deploys California National Guard to Help Distribute Food at Food Banks & Protect California’s Most Vulnerable

    “Due to COVID-19, many food banks have been affected by a significant decline in volunteerism, impacting logistical and local infrastructure for food distribution. The California Guard will initially deploy personnel and logistical equipment to a food bank distribution warehouse in Sacramento County starting today, and will conduct immediate site assessments statewide for those counties that have requested short-term support and stabilization. This short-term assistance from the California National Guard allows time to mobilize AmeriCorps, California Conservation Corps and Local Conservation Corps members, and other volunteers where counties have identified serious gaps.”

    https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/03/20/governor-newsom-deploys-california-national-guard-to-help-distribute-food-at-food-banks-protect-californias-most-vulnerable/

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 2:41pm

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    Re: Fox News interviews. Chris, can you provide insight?

    Haiku4U, you’re right!  (Very observant of you.) Wow, then that video is very old (about 6 weeks) relative to this fast-moving pandemic!

    Maybe they suppressed this Feb. 3rd video as out-of-synch with the CDC/MSM  approved narrative at the time. There was apparently a video done yesterday on Fox & Friends that is referenced in the article above but for which the video is missing. Maybe they’ll post it in about 6 weeks when it is old news and Chris’ views are deemed acceptable by CDC/MSM.

    Chris, can you provide any insight into what is going on with these delayed/missing Fox interviews?

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 3:09pm

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    Sparky1

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    Covid-19 in California, by the numbers (3/20/20)

    [Note the younger ages (i.e., less than age 65) of the confirmed infected–including 19 people (1.6%) age 17 or younger. Of the 1216 cases with known ages, the majority (72.%) are age 18-64; and 26.4% are age 65 and older. ]

    California Department of Health:  COVID-19 in California by the Numbers:

    As of March 20, 2020, 2 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time, there are a total of 1,224 positive cases and 23 deaths in California (including one non-California resident).
    Ages of all confirmed positive cases:
    Age 0-17: 19 cases
    Age 18-64: 876 cases
    Age 65+: 321 cases
    Unknown: 8 cases
    24 – Cases of positive tests related to federal repatriation flights
    1,200 – Cases not related to repatriation flights
    96 – Travel related
    122 – Person-to-person acquired
    325 – Community acquired (see map of local health jurisdictions reporting community transmission – PNG)
    657 – Under investigation

    (Source)

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 3:33pm

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    From a farmacist friend, used with his permission

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 4:26pm

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    New Rapid diagnostic test For Coronavirus ready (45 Minutes)

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/politics/fda-coronavirus-test/index.html

     

    Washington, DC (CNN)The US Food and Drug Administration announced it has authorized the use of the first rapid diagnostic test that could detect the novel coronavirus in approximately 45 minutes.

    The authorization was made Friday and tests will begin shipping next week, according to a statement from California-based Cepheid, the company manufacturing the tests.
    “During this time of increased demand for hospital services, Clinicians urgently need an on-demand diagnostic test for real-time management of patients being evaluated for admission to health-care facilities,” said Dr. David Persing, MD, Ph.D., chief medical and technology officer at Cepheid.

    “An accurate test delivered close to the patient can be transformative — and help alleviate the pressure that the emergence of the 2019-nCoV outbreak has put on healthcare facilities that need to properly allocate their respiratory isolation resources,” Persing added.

     

    The announcement of more efficient testing comes as the medical community has been looking to get quicker results to stem the tide of the coronavirus outbreak.

    Last week, Dr. Rod Hochman, CEO of Providence St. Joseph Health, an organization of 51 hospitals and about 1,000 clinics, described testing capacity in the US as highly deficient. The turnaround time on testing results, he said, had ranged from 24 hours to four days, which he called “unacceptable.”

    If cases of the disease are not identified quickly and community spread continues unchecked, it could soon overwhelm the nation’s medical system, just as it did in Wuhan, China, said Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine.

    Vice President Mike Pence announced during a Saturday news briefing on coronavirus response that more than 195,000 Americans have been tested for the virus as cases surpassed 22,000, with about half confirmed in New York. He noted that the number does not include county hospitals or health care labs around the country. Currently, only 19,343 tests have come back positive, Pence said.

    As officials work to increase the availability of the tests, they’ve also sought to make clear in what cases people should seek them.
    Officials have urged Americans to use discretion before seeking a coronavirus test, advising them to be administered to people who are symptomatic and not for those who do not show signs that they could be infected with the disease.
    “We want to remind Americans as Dr. Fauci will emphasize in a moment, if you don’t have symptoms, don’t do a test,” the vice president said Saturday.” It is another way that the American people can make sure that we are preserving the resources that our health care workers need to administer and support those who are dealing with the coronavirus and other illnesses.”

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 4:32pm

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    Why Not On Democracy Now or The Pacific Network or NPR for That Matter?

    Hey there Sparky,

    Not just for this topic but for oh so many other topics I’ve often wondered why Chris’s voice has not been heard on Amy Goodman’s Democracy Now or any of the Pacific Stations like KPFK in So.Cal and KPFA in No. Cal.  I have heard so many so called “experts” that seem like uninformed “experts” or those just towing the MSM line on those radio shows/stations.

    I’m not an NPR (National Petroleum Radio) listener and certainly not a FOX News viewer so I wouldn’t know if Chris has been on NPR and I didn’t know he was on FOX but being on FOX makes more sense to me than him being on ABC, CBS or NBC and the other MSM news outlets like CNN, MSNBC etc.  During my anger stage I had to call KPFK a few times to let them know just how wrong they had it, in regards to “just the flu”, masks, gloves & goggle use and staying the bleep home.

    FYI – I have been self isolating and social distancing since 3/1 and using all my PPE since then too whenever I do go out for some real quick errand.  One good outcome, a lot less gasoline use (not even a tank yet, usually 2 per month) and the cost of gas has been dropping.  I will be going to get a pizza from my favorite Italian restaurant this evening to help support it during this time.  I definitely want it to stay open but I don’t eat out often anyway so if they are expecting my patronage to “save” them then oh boy…look out.  I am not much of a shopper for most of the stuff being sold in the U.S.A.  Thanks.

    Broadspectrum

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 4:33pm

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    TurquoiseRose

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    Graphic from Italy- (You can get the gist) + Are women protected by estrogen

    Graphic Out of Italy Re: Covid-19

    https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Infografica_17marzo%20ITA.pdf

    Deep in the story below is a discussion about estrogen and that it might provide women some sort of protection.

    Why is the coronavirus so much more deadly for men than for women?

    On Friday, White House COVID-19 Task Force director Dr. Deborah Birx cited a report from Italy showing that men in nearly every age bracket were dying at higher rates than women. Birx called it a “concerning trend.”

    The apparent gender gap in Italy echoes earlier statistics from other hard-hit countries. While preliminary, early accounts have suggested that boys and men are more likely to become seriously ill than are girls and women, and that men are more likely to die.

    Italian health authorities last week reported that among 13,882 cases of COVID-19 and 803 deaths between Feb. 21 and Mar. 12, men accounted for 58% of all cases and 72% of deaths. Hospitalized men with COVID-19 were 75% more likely to die than were women hospitalized with the respiratory disease.

    Those figures are in line with early accounts from China, where the novel coronavirus first appeared, and from South Korea, where detection and tracking of coronavirus infections have been very comprehensive.

    An analysis of all COVID-19 patient profile studies filed in China from December 2019 to February 2020 suggests that men account for roughly 60% of those who are infected and become sick. And in a detailed accounting of 44,600 cases in mainland China as of Feb. 11, China’s Center for Disease Control reported that the fatality rate among men with confirmed coronavirus infections was roughly 65% higher than it was among women.

    Even among children younger than 16, coronavirus may affect boys more than girls. In a recent report on 171 children and adolescents who were treated for COVID-19 at the Wuhan Children’s Hospital, 61% were male.

    In South Korea, men accounted for nearly 62% of all cases. And infected men were 89% more likely to die than were women.

    The emerging picture of male vulnerability to coronavirus may be easily explained by a clear gender disparity with social and cultural roots: Across the world, men are much more likely to smoke cigarettes. That damages their lungs and primes them for inflammation and further damage when they are battling an infection.

    In China, where cigarette smoking rates are among the highest in the world, 54% of men were current smokers in 2010, and 8.4% were ex-smokers. Yet only 3.4% of Chinese women had ever smoked, according to the same 2016 study.

    In South Korea, the disparity was almost as pronounced: half of adult men and 4% of women smoke. In Italy, 28% of adult males and 20% of females smoke.

    But that’s not the whole story, said Dr. Stanley Perlman, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at the University of Iowa who has studied coronavirus infection in mice.

    In a series of experiments in 2016 and 2017, a team led by Perlman infected male and female mice with the coronaviruses that caused severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). At every age, male mice were more susceptible to infection than females.

    At the same time, the death rates of infected female mice shot up when their ovaries were removed, or when they got drugs that suppressed the activity of the hormone estrogen.

    To Perlman, those dual findings strongly suggest that there’s something about estrogen that protects against the ravages of deadly coronaviruses — and he suspects it’s true for the new SARS-CoV-19 virus as well.

    “Why does estrogen protect the woman, and how?” Perlman said. “We’d like to know.” Estrogen has so many important roles in the female body, “it’s hard to prove anything” about its specific protective powers, he said.

    For most other lung diseases, men have a distinct advantage. Women have long been known to suffer complications and die of influenza at higher rates than men. They’re much more likely to develop autoimmune diseases of the lungs. And after accounting for men’s higher rates of smoking, women appear to be more vulnerable than men to lung cancer and emphysema.

    “We don’t really understand why that is,” said UC Davis’s Kent E. Pinkerton, who studies gender differences in lung health.

    But Pinkerton and others suggest that humans’ responses to COVID-19 could reveal important distinctions between the way that men’s and women’s immune systems fight infection. They suspect that hormonal differences may be playing a key role in that immune response.

    And if scientists can uncover how that works, they could identify better strategies for fighting coronavirus infections in general, they said.

    Researchers will scour the records of COVID-19 cases for evidence that the immune system’s perimeter defenses — the body’s first response to infection — may react more robustly to this coronavirus in women than in men, said Susan Kovats, an immunologist at the Oklahoma Medical Research Foundation in Oklahoma City.

    If that “innate” immune response tends to be stronger in females, infected women may have more luck keeping their viral loads low, Kovats said. And they may not need to roll out an army of the immune system’s big guns — the T-cells and B-cells — for a major battle.

    Often, mounting such an assault after viral loads have shot up does double damage, she said. The infection itself damages delicate lung tissue. And then, the “adaptive” immune system overreacts, setting off dangerous levels of inflammation that cause further damage in the lungs.

    The result can be death. But if women are thwarting infection earlier and more effectively, they might be less likely to suffer that outcome, Kovats said.

    “I’m not surprised” that women’s immune systems may do things in ways that men could learn from, Pinkerton said. For years, immunologists only studied male mammals because the complexity of female hormones muddied their findings, he said.

    When it comes to fighting infection, he added, “we really need to study both sexes to understand susceptibility.”

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 5:46pm

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    Copper’s Hu-mom

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    Seriously!

    Seriously, Broadspectrum, people are that clueless. Our town sent out a reverse 911 call today to tell people not to flush wipes.  Some people in another subdivision have been reporting issues on our town Fb emergency page.  People, you have a brain, we do not want stupid water issues!!

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 6:21pm

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    TurquoiseRose

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    2 Articles describing loss of smell + taste with Covid -19 infection.

    There’s An Unexpected Loss Of Smell And Taste In Coronavirus Patients

    Coronavirus symptoms shock: Scientists discover NEW symptoms including lack of taste

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1256433/coronavirus-symptoms-latest-uk-covid-19-coronavirus-taste-smell

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 7:34pm

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    kunga

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    Loss of taste/smell

    A common symptom of zinc deficiency.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 8:29pm

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    Odd info

    to us too. To be at this time running “out daily for fresh food”?? And what did James Rawles say about the facial hair and proper fit of that N95 mask…..

    Walk the walk you talk.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 8:55pm

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    Makes sense

    I’m doing the same.  In my situation I cannot store much in the way of veges and very limited in terms of growing space…so I ordered a bunch of those green mixes like Good Green Stuff, and am going to the store daily for finishing touches.  Thought about sprouts but I don’t really like them and the thought of eating them daily is very off putting.

    Even with lists it’s hard not to miss stuff and I need as much fresh food while I can get it.  Not like I’m Joe Public here…I take precautions so still low risk and I choose my exposure windows carefully to avoid crowds etc.

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  • Sat, Mar 21, 2020 - 9:19pm

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    KeriTheKiwi

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    Gossip from NZ cops

    …heard right after threat levels were announced, is that the alert level is going to rise in next day or so.  Entirely predictable because a group of Doctors are petitioning for level 4 “or risk becoming like Italy” I hope for a jump to level 4 for the next 3-4 weeks to get this under control but they really need to pay beneficiaries/low income earners a lump sum, even just a couple of hundred so they can stock up properly prior to level 4 being called.

    There are now (predictable!!) headlines about our ICU capacity.  I hate the media for milking this for all it’s worth, specifically the NZ Herald.  Thought we were better than that.

    OTHER NEWS FROM NZ

    – ex PM Helen Clarke is saying the window for commercial flights to NZ is closing and people need to get back asap…assuming they can get to an airport in the first place.

    –  a gin distillery has now 100% pivoted into producing hand sanitizer, a sign of the times if ever there was one

    – Hicks Bay, a very small town on the East Coast of the North Island has decided that with their high risk population combined with extremely bad health care the best move is to shut off the town to visitors.  I have family in Tolaga Bay/Ruatoria and hope they follow shortly or maybe just shut down the entire east cape.  Road access up on the east cape is terrible so if HB-19 attacks it would be similar to a third world nation, but with an occasional rescue helicopter to take them to medical care if they are lucky – and how long would that last given the cost?

     

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 4:13am

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    jgaspar

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    Would spraying a bit of alcohol inside the bag help killing any germs/viruses over the 2 weeks?

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 10:21am

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    Darwin awards and idiocy in action

    The idea of hope is doing a lot of heavy lifting at the moment, but toss that one on its back, too. Whatever else comes of this, it will be a long time before vapidity and self-involvement are popular again.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/article-suddenly-knucklehead-culture-has-lost-any-charm-it-once-might-have/

    I could not have said it better. Of course the people who most need to read this are highly unlikely to see it as they are too busy going to the beach or park, having house parties and getting their jollies harassing conscientious people. They have no idea of the knockout punch that is coming their way. We can only hope that it knocks the idiocy right out of them to make room for some maturity and common sense. It is a big ask, I know, but I am kind of grasping at straws to maintain some kind of hope that things will eventually get better.

    Jan

     

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 12:26pm

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    shimz

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    EU vs Disinformation

    When you are physically isolated it might be harder than usual to distinguish the signal from the noice. What is said? Why? What’s the goal? What’s the agenda? Political? Ideological? Economical? I just found this site that aims to track down false information:

    https://euvsdisinfo.eu/about/

    Stay safe.

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  • Sun, Mar 22, 2020 - 1:46pm

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    A Good Way To Explain The Need For The Lockdown To Young Kids

    My friend just sent me this short video showing how he explained to his young daughter (<12 y.o.) why the lockdown is necessary:

    This approach is easy to present and understandable to young brains. I like how it has the child come up her/himself with the conclusion that social isolation is the answer. Very effective.

    Feel free to share this with anyone who has young kids.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 2:41pm

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    Blood thinners

    Considering the disease seems to cause bloody fluid in the lungs from the body trying to deal with infection and inflammation there, anything that enhances internal bleeding would be a problem. Like, you know, Warfarin or Coumadin.

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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2020 - 5:43pm

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    I Found A Hole In My Prepping

    I found an unfortunate hole in my prepping 2 weeks ago that I want to share with you.  In mid-March I ended up in the hospital for three nights with influenza A.  It was the first time I had been sick at all in probably 10 years.  Yes, it was cultured as influenza A.  I never got a lung infection.  I am much, much better now and rebuilding my immune system through traditional medicine.

    I am single and I have no siblings and my parents have passed away.  What this means is I have no next of kin.  My estate planning docs have been done for years but when I moved to Southern Oregon in 2017, I neglected to give a copy to my local hospital.  As a result, even though I was unresponsive when I was initially admitted, my designated agents could not receive information beyond the fact that I was in stable condition.  They also could not make decisions on my behalf.

    Even if you have next of kin, make sure you give copies of your advanced directive to your local medical facilities.  The facilities are so overwhelmed right now that they won’t have time to deal with these kinds of things should you be admitted to the hospital.

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  • Tue, Mar 24, 2020 - 3:45am

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    dadzcats

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    Community Action

    Thank you for this comprehensive article and helpful comments! Chris has mentioned that he has been working with his local small community and making plans. I wonder if he could share some specifics at some point that I might suggest within my township .

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 5:42pm

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    Another Seed Resource

    Here’s another seed resource:

    Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds

    Yes, they are out of stock of lot of things and they still have a lot of options.

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 3:57am

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    Well done on such a detailed article!

    I’d like to share with you my lockdown experience here in Madrid for anyone interested

    https://frigginexensive.com/2020/03/25/life-in-spain-diary-from-the-4th-floor-balcony/

    Take a good care all of you!

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 6:55am

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    Need help identifying effectiveness of this commercial mask

    Hi folks. Like many here I listened to what was happening in China early on and began prepping per Peak Prosperity recommendations. I bought a box of masks at my local NAPA Auto store but I can’t find out much about them. They seem to be similar to N95’s but are not sold as such. I’m thinking they would be at least as effective as a surgical mask but I want to have some idea before I start giving them out. Any thoughts?

    NAPA Safety 380-000 Dust Mask

     

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 7:06am

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    Any mask is better than no mask

    The mask you are looking at is not an N95, however imo ANY mask is better than no mask.  If this encourages others to wear a mask it’s a good thing.  It may help prevent the spread of the virus.

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 7:33am

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    Video on How To Handle Groceries from Dr. Jeffrey VanWingen

    A friend of mine sent me this video created by Dr. Jeffrey VanWingen on how to handle and decontaminate groceries and take out food.

     

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 7:31pm

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    When It's All Too Much: A Stress Relief Toolkit

    A few years ago in response to the fires in Sonoma County, CA,  a few colleagues and I put together the When It’s Too Much Toolkit, a toolkit designed to help reduce stress when things are difficult.  I want to share that toolkit with you now since so many of us are feeling really stress about what’s going on.  Please feel free to share it with others as well.

    I want to be very clear that my intention here is to be of service to my beloved Peak Prosperity community.  This is not about self-promotion for me.  Professionally, I help people heal from emotional trauma and current events are a breeding ground for that unless we focus on emotional resilience as much as we focus on stocking up.

     

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 7:40pm

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    Thank you Suzie

    That was exactly what I was looking for.  I remember reading it sometime ago but couldn’t find it.  Will print a copy this time!

    Valuable information indeed!

    Glad you are feeling better and back at PP!

    AKGranny

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  • Fri, Mar 27, 2020 - 4:37am

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    NSAID’s. Aspirin, Ibuprofen make it worse

    I found and used a 12 hour non-drowsy release capsule similar to Sudafed or something along that line, and it got rid of the headache and fever so that I could at least somewhat think.  Then I would take the drowsy version for sleep.  That went on for around 10-12 days and then I had to take things for my throat and then my lungs for another several weeks.  Beginning to end took around 2 months before I was convinced it was finally over, as it had a habit of pretending it was gone and then it would return randomly to the head, throat or lungs or some combination of them, back and forth.  I believe this was Covid-19 but it started around mid December and went well into February.  There was no testing when this started and all the clinics said it was just another bug and to let it run its course, which we did.  Wish they had a test to determine if one had this or not already?

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  • Fri, Mar 27, 2020 - 4:45am

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    Food for thought...

    Appreciated your comment — I am thinking of writing a whole group of itudes, just for the humor and fun-itude of it all — LOL!

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  • Fri, Mar 27, 2020 - 5:14am

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    med, dental visits

    The first night we decided to begin implementing our hunker-down, I broke a tooth while eating an almond.  Next day I got in immediately at a nearby dental office.  They said they had to do a thorough exam which meant X-rays, etc., so I said that would be fine as long as I get the tooth repaired.  By the time they were through, they sat me down to tell me it would cost around $4500+ in addition to referral to another office to have an inflamed root canal looked at.  I told them I could not afford all that and only wanted the tooth fixed, but they said since it had a shared filling with another tooth and that was also broken all the way to the root, they would have to do a rather involved repair.  It got complicated because the referral to the root canal guy who had done several of my root canals per referral from VA, and one of them resulted in a broken drill tip that is still inside my tooth and that is apparently the one that is inflamed.

    I go back to VA to obtain an authorization and they now refuse even though they originally authorized it and it is a fix related to their original authorization.  My medicare supplement through Humana covers the cost of one filling but they refused to do just that.  They then got me approved for a financing plan at around 15% interest but I did not want to commit to such with everything that is happening.  Anyway, I am now eating on one side of my mouth in hopes the other side does not completely fall out, and the upside of that is that I get tire of eating and therefore eat less.  Fun times all the way around.  We can tolerate many things in solitude and quarantine, but the dentist is one of the most important things we cannot do without.  I long for the days when life was simple and people could ask for and obtain a simple fix.  You hit the nail on the head with trying to get the dental visits done.  The other is the same problem with VA as they cannot understand why anyone would want an extra prescription filled in case of civil unrest.  Maybe in a short while they will understand, but hopefully they won’t need to.  Wishful thinking?

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