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    What Comes Next?

    Predicting life after coronavirus
    by Adam Taggart

    Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 7:47 AM

If covid-19 is indeed hastening the permanent disruption of the status quo, what will life in a post-coronavirus world look like?

In a prognosticating session building on last week’s Economic Shockwaves roundtable, John Rubino, Charles Hugh Smith and I — also joined by Chris Martenson this time — discuss the myriad ways in the future may be permanently altered by the disruptions happening right now.

How will the economy, fiat currencies, jobs & the nature of work, as well as our general lifestyle, be forced to evolve? What new solutions will be required and what shape with they take?

All this and more is addressed in this video (1-hour runtime):

These roundtables are always a good time as John, Charles, Chris and I not only enjoy each other’s company, but we find helpful value in tapping each other’s thinking. The process always creates even more questions that we want to ask one another.

After shooting this video, the group agreed that fertile future territory includes the housing market, retirement/pensions, which big cartels are most vulnerable to today’s disruption (e.g., education, health care, pharma, finance) and what benefits would emerge from breaking their industry strangleholds.

So, if you’d like to see this brain trust convene again to push deeper into this material, let us know in the Comments section below, along with any other specific topics you’d like for us to kick around.

Oh, and if you’d like to inspire your own discussions on resilience with those in your community, pick up your own RESILIENCE shirt here and join Chris and me in wearing it proudly 🙂

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 9:10am

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    tkocou

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    Stimulus checks

    To boil down the very thick document outlining the Stimulus:

    Banking / financial / ultra rich get the most money

    Give a little bit to the Poor class (We're here to rescue you... Not)

    Starve the Middle class and try to make them into the Poor class

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:06am

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    Dutch Boomer

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    Debt Clock Netherlands

    Debt was decreasing - GDP was increasing - Ratio 48%

    until today....

    Debt increased in 1 jump with 200 billion, Ratio jumped to 72%

    from now, debt is increasing, GDP is decreasing (ok, was expected), but what about that big sudden jump of 12.000 per living person? Most curious, the clock at the EU site is still running with yesterdays numbers.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:14am

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    centroid

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    centroid said:

    the best thing in a depression is for the central bank and the government to stop creating money out of thin air and to stop spending:

    https://mises.org/library/forgotten-depression-1920

    in australia we are surrounded by politicians and media who dont understand classical economics or hard money. there is this constant beat "do this do that, spend , spend spend" i have to turn the tv over to friends or seinfeld just for a break . they dont understand that when the government stops spending that this frees up  business to spend savings. business allocates capital better than government. australia is full of control freaks who want to meddle. i worry that australia is going to become a totalitarian state.

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:47am

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    nordicjack

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    Move all the money to the 1%

    Hyper inflation, joblessness, low resources.   Top 1% get richer.  ( not sure why they want this , this will only end in revolt ) They will trickle just enough handout to keep people from revolt.   And things will be as they have been - just 20 times worse.  Longer hours,  more and more debt.. education and medical will no longer be affordable.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 11:14am

    PhilH

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    i worry that australia is going to become a totalitarian state.

    going to become?

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 1:21pm

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    Rodster

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    Rodster said:

    Nothing surprises me anymore including the Dow quickly matching or surpassing it's all time highs. We are living in Alice in Wonderland times.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 1:27pm

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    DaveDD

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    Great discussion, but...

    Truly great discussion between four people whom’s ideas I follow for over a decade. But there is this tiny voice in my head that paraphrases Max Planck: “all change comes one funeral at a time”. In other words, those with the most power and with the largest stake in the status quo will not allow change to happen. And profit optimization will always lead to a less robust system.

    I’m struggling with what I could and, actually, should do.

    Thanks for the great discussion!

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 1:56pm

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    perspective001

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    Legal System vs Justice System

    I was really hoping to hear that the legal system, and the blood sucking lawyers, would die and a Justice system would be born. Only kidding to a degree here. But the rule of law, where Justice is blind, has become only the rich get to fight things in court and Lady Justice is on the take. But frankly I don't see that happening until the entitlement mentality is burned out due to deprivation. The millions on the government dole, including the uncivil servants, are going to be looking, with hands out, for their allotment just because they exist. Working for a living by producing things is a foreign concept to those folks and old dogs learn new tricks very slowly, if at all. Mr. Trump seems to think things can be restarted better than before by ridding ourselves of the corrupt cabal. Those millions of bought followers are going to be a real problem though. Perhaps your next discussion can touch on these items. I can't think of a single instance where a welfare/warfare state transforms into a bastion of liberty. I sure can't imagine most of the local and state governments, nor the vast majority of the Federal government getting a sudden case of statesmanship.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 2:37pm

    DaveDD

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    DaveDD said:

    • So now you know what the real outcome of the EU summit was.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 2:50pm

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    Captain Queeg

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    My Takeaway

    Excellent discussion & observations. Here's a couple of my take-aways from this:

    1. You can only rely on yourself to look out for your (and your families) own best interests...

    2. Figure out how to become more self-reliant...aka resilient.

    3. Planning, preparation and execution are key elements.

    4. Liberty's that we took for granted can be very easily taken away.

    5. There's power in family & community.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 4:36pm

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    Enough Talking

    When are we going to stop discussing what is being done to us and start doing something about it? All of this keyboard warrior action gets us nowhere. Until we take up our pitchforks and storm the castle, nothing is going to improve.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 5:21pm

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    Pitch Forks / Castle

    When are we going to stop discussing what is being done to us and start doing something about it? All of this keyboard warrior action gets us nowhere. Until we take up our pitchforks and storm the castle, nothing is going to improve.

    Our founding fathers seemed to think if what they set up stopped working, another revolution would allow us to replace the system with something else.

    But, think about the times when they believed that revolution was an option.  The playing field was far more level than it is today.

    Fortunately, if I decided to "storm the castle," I could do it with better equipment than a pitch fork.  The problem is, I am ill equipped to storm the Pentagon.  My measly armament is laughable compared to what the military can counter with.

    Just sayin'.

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 5:47pm

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    2 Key Unemployment Charts

    In the video above, I display this chart showing the HUMONGOUS & unprecedented increase in initial jobless claims:

    And here is one showing how economists now predict (source: WSJ) the unemployment rate will skyrocket to 13%:

    You can clearly see from these charts that the coming unemployment wave will be higher and swifter than anything we've experienced in living memory.

    How will society react? Will the millions displaced be able to find financial stability and happiness if many of these jobs simply don't return?

    I predict the new unemployment rate baseline in the coming years will be much higher than what we've taken for granted until now.

    And I predict that many of the jobs currently being lost are "non essential"; they wouldn't have existed in non-financialized economy that wasn't bloated with force-fed cheap credit by the central banks. I mean no disrespect to those being laid off, and for certain we're losing lots of worthy jobs (and businesses) right now, too.

    How will we re-direct these workers to more economically necessary jobs? Will people start seeking out more meaningful work, vs chasing the brass ring?

    Honestly, I don't know. But we have a chance to make some improvements to the system that's stumbling now and, for sure, there's a lot about it that deserves improving.

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:03pm

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    And the Pigs are taking over, and goats, oh ah and rats too.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:19pm

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    RebelYell

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    Mortality in the UK

     

    http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/

    non Covid-19 deaths falls at exactly the same rate as Covid-19 deaths rise.

    No change in overall mortality.  This is looking more and more like a total fraud.  This disease is killing almost no-one, but the bailout smash and grab is done and dusted, and the vaccines will be forced on all.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:42pm

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    MayS

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    uh oh - They are ending fed support for testing

    Federal support for testing ending.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829955099/federal-support-for-coronavirus-testing-sites-end-as-peak-nears

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:45pm

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    Covid antibodies - found to be low in study

    will be interesting to understand if Covid antibodies will protect folks for long time or not......
     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 6:55pm

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    Simple Living and High Thinking

    My take away from this great conversation is the subject line.  The phrase "Simple Living and High Thinking" was coined by Srila Prabhupada (Founder Acarya of the Hare Krsna's).   The Vedanta Sutra's reveal the purpose of human life, which is not acquiring more and more material possessions or hankering after more sense gratification.  The senses are insatiable and no matter how much money you have, no matter how much sex life you have, no matter how much influence you have,  you always want more.

    Rather, the purpose of human life is simple living and high thinking focusing our energy and efforts on relationships by way of the six loving exchanges,  daily congregational prayer, daily/extended individual prayer, and lots of service.

    One sure fire way to defuse a tense situation, or increase our love for someone is to serve that other party.   Do something meaningful for that someone you're having problems with.   It works like a charm!

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 7:06pm

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    Reply to MayS

    Testing has only been conducted to the extent necessary to mislead.  Further testing risks revealing the truth, therefore it needs to be stopped.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 7:09pm

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    What to do?

    Hello Boomer41!  I hear ya!  There are a few things one person can do and it feels good.  We have to starve the beast.  For instance,  I don't own a cell phone - even though I'm an attorney!  Why?  Because I will not support the telecommunications companies!  I don't subscribe to Direct TV or any cable company, for the same reason.  I stopped flying because I didn't like the TSA.  I don't save in USD because it's fake money.  I refuse to invest in 5G technology because I know it was designed to be a weapon, and it causes a lot of health problems - I don't care how much money I stand to make, it's not worth it.  I don't get vaccinated because I hate big pharma and I know how dangerous vaccines are.

    If I had a lot of cash, I would not keep it in the bank because I hate the banks.

    Get my drift?  Not buying their shit helps me feel a little more in control and confident that I'm contributing to a lower market share for these unsavory companies.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 7:15pm

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    Re: Simple living and high thinking

    Would you talk a bit more about the six loving exchanges, please?  Thanx

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:21pm

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    TSP accounts

    How safe are federal employee TSP retirement accounts?  What are the chances these accounts get raided?

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:42pm

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    Granny's Update From a Rural Clinic

    So here’s the latest: cases in our county are still at the cluster stage, probably because we are quite rural and thus there are fewer opportunities to come into contact with large crowds or travel on public transportation. However, we’ve had three deaths. We have a mobile field hospital set up in the largest town to deal with non-COVID patients, leaving the two major hospitals available for people with the virus. Testing is still minimal and strictly controlled – basically you have to be already hospitalized with virus symptoms, a health care worker who has been exposed or someone who is severely ill (and thus needs to be hospitalized). Test kits are back-ordered from Quest and LabCorp. Given the RO, I’m betting we have three to four times the reported numbers, but no testing, so can't confirm it.

    In our clinic, we have tested five people, none of whom were positive. Frankly, in two cases I don’t believe the results – those two had pretty much classic symptoms and spent several weeks in a hot spot where community spread was already established. I also suspect that if we were to test our staff, there are three or four who would have antibodies indicating they have had the disease. But they were all sick much earlier in the year, before any testing was even being considered.

    I mentioned in an earlier post that we were switching to phone and telemedicine visits as quickly as possible, and we have continued that activity. We now ask patients to come in and register, then wait in their cars. We give them a color-coded, numbered sign to put on the dashboard. A smaller, matching card is kept at the reception desk and the rooming medical assistant uses the small card to find the right patient. The signs are laminated so they can be decontaminated as soon as they come back in the building. We still have chairs in the waiting room but the seats are blocked off and arranged so no one can sit closer than six feet. Instead of doing walk-in labs, we schedule patients for lab appointments, trying to keep at least 15 minutes between visits. I triage patients in their cars if necessary. All of these activities are designed to provide patient services while minimizing the number of people in the clinic and the amount of contact between patients, staff and other community members. Basically the only patients who come in for visits are the rare walk-in triage, people who really must have a physical exam or something like a pap, and the chiropractic patients. Our psychiatrist and behavioral health staff have switched to phone visits only.

    Something like a pandemic brings out both the worst and the best in people. It’s been disheartening to find that other primary care offices and clinics have just shut down for the duration of the pandemic. Their patients are coming to us for help. We don’t have their medical records, which makes it tougher. Access to specialty care has always been difficult for our patients, but it’s even more so as many specialists have also closed their offices. I keep wondering what happened to the Hippocratic Oath and the Nightingale Pledge?

    Most of our staff have been wonderful – coming to work consistently, being patient with each other (we’re all tired, stressed and a bit cranky). Our food closet has been in high demand – the case manager served 17 people in a week when her normal is two or three. A receptionist spent 30 minutes today listening to a man who just lost his brother (non-COVID-19 issues). He desperately needed to talk and she was his first contact because he’d been in self-quarantine. But another staff member basically abandoned her job – didn’t work from home as we agreed and hasn’t responded to emails or phone calls. Then we have the idiots who are bored with being stuck at home in the city, where most of the cases are, so they go for a drive (we’re talking a string of 30+ cars) and stop at the local store in our area for snacks. These are the same idiots, who – despite the large sign saying counter service only and a barricade across the aisle – try to climb over said barricade to get into the back of the store.

    Our admin team is spending anywhere from four to six hours a day on conference calls – updates on the clinical aspects of the pandemic; coordination calls with local public health and other disaster-preparedness folks; calls with the state public health; calls with the state on licensing, regulatory and financial issues; calls with the feds and the national community health center organizations on changes in grant requirements, financing from the stimulus/rescue bills. We’re all on information overload – our heads are so full our brains are running out our ears.

    We’re managing. We’re fulfilling our mission and serving our community and we will by-God keep doing it until we can’t stand up any more. Hope you all are also holding on to the important things in life – family, friends and giving back. If we do, we’ll come out of this stronger, with a renewed sense of purpose and hope.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 8:58pm

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    A question about "digital currencies", and thoughts about jobs and liberty

    References to digital currencies comes up from time to time in these discussions about what comes next.  Have there been solid new developments in blockchain technology that would make their use less humongously energy intensive?  Seems to me bitcoin et al have got as far as they have because they're still a niche currency, more a futurist investment opportunity than something everyone uses every day.  My understanding of how much energy is required to keep the chain working properly is that if everyone used it, the electricity grid would crash.  Has something changed?  If we're just talking about the current digital banking system and credit debit cards, no change there.

    And also talked about, though not here, is the expectation that with bringing manufacturing back home (wherever home is) won't necessarily result in jobs coming back, as the "big guys" are looking at AI and robotics to keep their profits up.  So unemployment looks like staying very high.  I'm not a fan of MMT, but to keep the pitchforks at bay, either people have to be able to work, or at least be able to eat and be sheltered.  Seems to me there are still an awful lot of unsolved mysteries out there.

    But a final note, about loss or gain of "liberty"...  I'm both old, and somewhat disabled.  I can and do write and speak for something better than we have, and contribute to community, but if power centres decide to continue on their present path, I can whistle in the wind.  But my inner voice reminds me of that beloved poem, "To Althea, from Prison" (Richard Lovelace, 1642):

    Stone walls do not a prison make,
    Nor iron bars a cage:
    Minds innocent and quiet take
    That for an hermitage.
    If I have freedom in my love,
    And in my soul am free,
    Angels alone, that soar above,
    Enjoy such liberty.

    Mental, emotional, spiritual resilience, holding relationships first in your heart, really is the best and only freedom.  If we don't relinquish it, it can't be taken from us.  Thank you to PP, for reminding us of this in so many practical ways.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 9:02pm

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    Re Granny's Update From a Rural Clinic

    Beth - you're an inspiration - thank you so much for your updates.  Your community is fantastically fortunate to have you!

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 9:28pm

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    Thanks For The Covid-19 (Honey Badger) Update

    Hi Berth, thanks for the update.  Great idea to implement Telemedicine visits.  Having other Primary Care facilities just shut down puts a lot of extra stress on you guys who have chosen to stay open and continue to work.  Kudos to you for stepping up! Those who pick up a cross for a cause often travel a lonely path.

    Calls and meetings have always amazed me, the loaded labor rate and time invested - makes you wonder if all that time and info couldn't be condensed somehow.

    We’re all on information overload – our heads are so full our brains are running out our ears.

    Lol, I get it.

    We’re managing. We’re fulfilling our mission and serving our community and we will by-God keep doing it until we can’t stand up any more. Hope you all are also holding on to the important things in life – family, friends and giving back. If we do, we’ll come out of this stronger, with a renewed sense of purpose and hope.

    You nailed it Beth - family, friends and giving back! Being there for your community, you and your team are unrecognized hero's’! Great job my friend, take care of yourself!

    AKGrannyWGrit

     

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 9:30pm

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    Thanks (?) for the reminder about rats moving in, Granny Barb...

    In case anyone else in this gardening and food storage community has had or is having problems with rats,  we had an apocalyptic infestation last year,  so if you want to trade notes on ways to deal with it,  let me know,  we can start a forum on it.   I ended up writing it up in our local mag.  An epic war.

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  • Wed, Apr 08, 2020 - 10:57pm

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    DaveDD said:

    What a lovely poem, and so true imo. Thanks.

    Concerning your question about more energy friendly crypto: yes there are developments. Bitcoin and other crypto that need to be mined use “Proof-of-Work”. Apart from using huge amounts of energy, it favors the wealthy. An alternative is the so-called “Proof-of-Stake” (PoS). This does not require expensive, energy consuming computers. Another advantage is that in many cases you get “interest”.

    I personally only “invest” small amounts of money because decentralized ledgers interest me (“power to the people” 😊). It is a reasonable incentive to spend some time in it. There are basically three problems:

    • The technology is new, and it is the wild west. Projects pop up for a fast array of applications (use cases). Few of these will survive.
    • Currently it is highly speculative, and the markets unfortunately still linked to the most useless of them all: bitcoin.
    • I do not believe that “the powers that be” will allow anything that erodes their power; the crypto markets are still small, but when they gain more traction I expect more “rules and regulations” (that favor the banks and governments).

    There are a few crypto’s using PoS. Ethereum is working on a PoS alternative called Casper, and Cardano is another project in progress.

    Grts

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 12:09am

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    Pure Speculation Here

    canterbury.stacy wrote:

    How safe are federal employee TSP retirement accounts?  What are the chances these accounts get raided?

    stacy,

    The quick answer is that they are totally safe. The real answer is that they will be used against you. You will get every dollar that is owed; however, those dollars may not purchase as much as you expected. Meanwhile, other expected "benefits" may be put on hold until you've exhausted your retirement accounts. Don't feel special. Anyone with any sort of retirement account - IRA, 401(k), etc. will be in the same boat. Governments punish non-insiders who plan.

    That may seem outlandish on the surface, but give it some thought. Imagine that you are in charge of the big pile of bills (promises) coming in and a diminishing pile of revenue being collected at the same time. Unless you can borrow to make up the difference, you've got tough choices to make. So far, the government can continue to borrow at reasonable costs (interest rates.) That means we can kick the can down the road a bit longer. So, what happens when TPTB can no longer borrow?

    Since you're promoted to make the tough decisions, who are you going to screw? The big boyz will get even with you - one way or the other. The low end of the economic spectrum will likely cause much more physical damage if their promised payments are withheld. Besides, there's a humanitarian aspect to consider. Not all of them are there of their own choice.

    Nonetheless, the pot is shrinking and the demands are growing. You need to find a solution - and preferably one that saves your face. You announce some arcane formula for distributing reduced funds. You promote it as a "fair" alternative since you care for the downtrodden while helping those who provide the jobs and industry. Meanwhile, you promise additional compensation (at a later date) for those who are forced to draw down their retirement accounts in lieu of current promised benefits.

    Pat yourself on the back. That's a political win for you since you successfully kicked the can down the road. If you're smart, you'll quickly quit "to spend more time with your family" ... before the end of the road arrives.

    This is just the way I see it playing out. That doesn't mean it will play out that way. You need to determine your own plan and expect to live with the consequences. So, where are the safe places to keep money? One of our national myths is that a man's home is his castle. (Use whatever gender specific pronouns you prefer.) Governments are sensitive to maintaining the myth. Many citizens are rightfully appalled when governments trample property rights.

    So, I see personal housing/property as a safer place to keep assets. Is it better to own outright or have a large mortgage? I cashed out my retirement accounts when I retired, paid the taxes, and then paid off the mortgage. Was that the smartest thing to do? (I've never had hindsight in time to use it constructively.) It made the most sense to me at the time. It is also a huge relief during these trying times that I don't have a mortgage to worry about. As a result, I'm house rich and cash poor. I can compromise and live with that.

    That's just one example. Are there other sacred myths to exploit? I'm sure there are. I'm still working on improving my property. Good luck,

    Grover

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 12:53am

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    Welcome to the future folks...

    What comes next?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mm3KmKRRRo

    Draconian travel restrictions controlled via biomarker tagged vaccines of dubious efficacy.

    M A N D A T O R Y

    Physical cash destroyed due to scaremongering on virus spread – all citizens forced onto digital transactions only.

    M A N D A T O R Y

    Your social/digital/healthcare score rates what you can/can’t do – penalities include immediate digital rights shutdown rendering your life non-functional. Resistacnce will be quashed by para-military police forces.

    M A N D A T O R Y

    Depopulation - A systematic culling of non-useful drones…. Through carfeul mashalling of what foods work revenue streams and social profiling will be available for you.

    M A N D A T O R Y

    This future was displayed for all to see back in 2013, by Neill Blomkamp – the difference being the 1% will go to island enclaves with max security to keep the infected riff-raff out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXwBcHGpjm4

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 4:08am

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    Galene77

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    Pandemic power grabs all over the world...

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/pandemic-power-grabs-all-over-world/

    You will accept the biomarker tagging...

    Now repeat after me:

    "I'm a fully woke, fellow approved citizen aware helper. I'm very grateful for my full-time job on the mega farm, owned and controlled by Amazon. I no longer need free-spirited social engagement. All evils of the pre Dec 2019 world have been cleansed and erased. I am also very grateful for the monthly safety vaccine shot I receive via the approved Gates Foundation format - without which my right to work is rightfully rescinded..."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_Act_2020

    Commentator Ian Dunt labelled the Act the "most extensive encroachment on British civil liberties ... ever seen outside of wartime"

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 4:37am

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    why

    Why are they taking from us? Simple human nature I believe.. nobody wants "less." Do you or I want less money, wealth, power, health, friends, or stuff? "They" are simple humans just like us, even if "they" think differently. Few people or strata give up their stuff willingly. Just like nobody wants to give up his/her car and house in homage to some vague "global warming crisis."

    Many top 5% people like to say we in teh US have been living as kings compared to the $1-2/day people in the rest of the world for the past 100 years. And they're not totally wrong... because that was true into the 1970s, even 1990s, 2000s... but the US quality of life is reducing here as our population grows (more people sharing smaller slices of economic pie), while rest-of-world (2nd-3rd world) have developed into something resembling functional 1st-2nd world countries... lifting billions out of the dirt, muck, and general poverty relative to 1950s-60s US income levels.

    I believe the "elitez" shared socio-economic power and benefits with the rest of us plebes in the 1900s solely because they COULD - fossil fuels = energy slaves. Coal & oil provided the means to get rid of slavery in the US... because those fuels = energy slaves.

    Now that we've passed peak oil production (or have we yet), there is less economic pie to share amongst everyone - while global population continues growing, to Bill Gates' chagrin.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 4:52am

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    Guvnor said:

    Hi V, interested in learning. A friend suggests to me to use round paint buckets since rats can't get their mouths around them. And have some cats..

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 5:38am

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    Food shortages coming next?

    Farmers suffering,  can they hold on to their businesses?

     

    https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20200409/coronavirus-florida-vegetables-unexpected-victim-of-covid-19

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 6:08am

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    Set me free

    We've got to take the economy back - and our freedoms.

    Here is France our President Macron has announced he will extend the confinement on Monday. I can say that in certain areas of France there are less than 10 patients in reanimation; the young in general don't get sick enough to go to the hospital; the people who have been sick and recovered are kept in confinement; HCQ+ is not available through your GP; people are just starting to wear masks - realizing that we were lied to.

    Austria has announced that it will end the confinement next week.

    This will be like Ghandi's movement once it gets going.

    Happy Easter weekend to all!

    Here is a map of France, scroll down and you will see a map of the "departements" where they list the number of cases under hospital care and intensive care.

    How can you shut the whole country down when you have a whole bunch of departements with less than 10 patients in reanimation?

    https://www.lanouvellerepublique.fr/actu/carte-coronavirus-en-france-30-375-hospitalisations-et-82-048-cas-le-point-par-departement?fbclid=IwAR33fUtRuktJoZQ4HLf8IfrX9xTcOunabJbTd7bdnVGGANv_pIzkESWJfWk

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 6:26am

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    Ceramics

    Clay pots were developed by the early agrarian humans who created the first cities to store their grains and protect them from rats

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 6:29am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Chris Hedges The Death of the Constitution

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNO18dRip-U&list=PLagVUKF7CUTRiG64CklL1AN0mbmNaETfp&index=1

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 6:32am

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    Rich man, Poor man

    Rail against the rich for taking it all, blame the poor for having nothing, vent because we're caught in the middle envying the rich and desperately afraid of becoming the poor. Anyone else see that as an exercise in futility.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 6:48am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Lobbyists

    https://www.whio.com/news/coronavirus-pandemic/C4FGESIRUSMIYMP4XLVPQEFHCU/

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 7:13am

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    MQ - yes lots do

    Absolutely, millions do.  And many down a fifth, smoke a joint, score some heroine, torment their family and then settle back and watch porn and Netflix.  I suspect demoralization may be the reason for the need of 12 step programs like AA.

    Just speculating.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 8:53am

    French connexion

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    Surprise

    the French President is visiting the Professeur Raoult at Marseille.

    Hi to JimH

    The doctors at IHU Méditerranée Infection all signed a charter on March 22 2020 - that they couldn't in all good conscience conduct such a test leading inevitably to the death of the placebo patient.

    https://www.lci.fr/politique/emmanuel-macron-a-marseille-pour-rencontrer-le-professeur-didier-raoult-2150536.html

    Can we get the stocks - will Sanofi provide the doses? Why was HCQ placed under the designation as "venimeuse"?

    Actually this is live so maybe the link will not work for you?

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 9:22am

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    Fighting Back

    Hladini, Like you, I avoid feeding the beast. I have been retired for almost 15 years and already practice most of what you preach. But it doesn't feel like it's enough.

    I am fighting mad about the way my hard-earned savings are being stolen out of my wallet by Wall Street and the Fed. I am appalled that, despite overwhelming evidence of demolition, we have never had a proper investigation of 9/11. I am incensed by the way the coronavirus pandemic is being used as yet another excuse by our statist 'leaders' to take away even more of our liberties.

    Now we have trillions (trillions!!!) of dollars being handed to the Fed for them to distribute to their cronies with zero accountability. If we are prevented from traveling unless we can produce an 'ausweis' proving we have been tested negative for COVID-19 and/or vaccinated by Big Pharma, for me that will be the last straw.

    It is obvious (to me at least) that none of these outrages can be fixed at the ballot box. The Republic is broken. Our grotesquely bloated government is nothing but corrupt middle management for the shadowy group who really run the country. We the people have been manipulated and propagandized into impotence by the rigged two-party system which has us at each other's throats instead of working together to defeat the real villains.

    Our schools are nothing more than government propaganda indoctrination camps turning out a watered-down version of real citizens who have no clue about the rights they are guaranteed by the Constitution.

    It is past time for another revolution. I can hear Jefferson, Paine and Franklin yelling from their graves “What the hell are you waiting for?”.

    If I was thirty years younger, I might have a crack at starting a revolution myself. But, while my spirit is chomping at the bit, my body is, alas, no longer adequate to the task. Nevertheless, I'm fervently hoping that somebody gets a revolution going before its too late for me to join up and bring my pitchfork to the fray. There is nobody more dangerous than a pissed-off old guy with nothing to lose.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 10:10am

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    This was touching and funny when it first came out

    Not so funny any more.

    Travel state to state without any papers! Who knew?

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 10:17am

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    vshelford

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    Rats!

    While it could be argued that rats are indeed among those things that "come next" in a devolving society, it seems a bit off-topic here, so I've started a forum on the subject at https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/rats/.

    Thanks to umaperegrina, Guvnor, and Mohammed Mast who have replied to my first post.  To Mohammed - yes, ceramics or glass do definitely stop rats from eating your supplies, but it doesn't stop them from living in the vicinity and pooping all over everything, so it's a good but partial solution.  Guvnor - if the paint buckets are metal, that'll slow them down for sure, although it wouldn't be easy to make them food safe after paint.  But as with anything else, they'll still try, and live in the vicinity, and poop.  And we have cats too, but as the rats were only slightly smaller than the cats, and my cats are gentrified souls who get bored (or scared off) easily, it didn't help.  What you need is a ratter with OCD, like a Jack Russell terrier.

    To those who might be interested in the story but don't have the problem (yet), I've linked the magazine article I wrote when it was all (for the moment) over:

    www.thetisisland.net/misc/rats.pdf

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 10:34am

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    French connexion

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    to Boomer41

    Like you I am disgusted.

    I have been watching a ratio trade for decades waiting for it to bust:

    I explain - in my opinion April 1st 2009 the Central Banks met in Ireland. I feel that they targeted a ratio trade :  buying stocks (futures) selling a like quantity of Gold futures.

    They have done very well until recently where things have started to go against them.

    Today is an important day as Gold (and Silver) are on a tear - up 3.88% on the futures

    and SP500  future is up 2.68%

    Not a big difference for the moment - but this in face of Them buying EVERYTHING!

    The race is on - They have to get stocks moving up faster than Gold.

    Your Pension is riding on their trade. Again in my humble opinion.

    I have not listened to the podcast yet - been busy today.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 10:45am

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    Virtual jamming

    Here's a great example of how the covid-19 lockdown is breeding new forms of social engagement.

    My neighbors are in a band that now meets for virtual jam sessions. Each musician first records their own track at home and then everything is combined together.

    This clip of their cover of  "Let It Be" by the Beatles was featured on NBC this morning in the Bay Area:

    (My friends are two of the singers: the guy who sings/plays guitar & sax, and the woman with the kick-ass voice)

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 10:56am

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    Chris Martenson

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    Actual Jamming

    Compared to the 'virtual jamming' above, the Fed has now engaged in actual jamming of the """""markets"""""

    There's no longer any reason to be long - the fundamentals are lousy! - an no reason to be short (can't fight the relentless printing press operators).

    In short, free markets are now completely dead.

    The Fed has utterly ruined everything that once made the US an awesome place to live.  And the captive politicians and even-more-captive press is not up to the ultra simple job of asking the most basic of questions.

    • Why are you buying distressed assets from gigantic hedge funds and Wall Street banks for above-market rates?
    • Why are you giving money to Citadel to make them whole on their broken basis trades while only providing more loans to smaller businesses and households?
    • Don't they deserve free money too?
    • By far most of the benefit of today's new $2.5 trillion in programs flows to the very largest of companies and already wealthiest individuals.  Why?
    • If/when all these new loans go bad, who is on the hook for those losses.  that's the US taxpayer right?  Either directly or via lowered interest payment returns to the US Treasury.  Correct?
    • All you your policies over the last 12 years have served to make the wealth gap wider than it ever has been throughout history.  Today's actions double down (literally) on that premise.  How far is too far?  When the 1% own 80% of all assets?  When they own 95%?  When the 0.1% owns 99.99% of everything?  Please tell us, where's your line?

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 11:18am

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    This also doesn’t make sense. State straps ankle monitor on person breaking quarantine while at same time releasing prisoners,

    Ankle monitor and prisoner release at 11:00 minutes.  Wow!  We are in trouble with logic like that.

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 11:19am

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    hulva2006

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    I liked the discussion but...

    So it sounds like Chris and Adam are wanting to take a victory lap. Everything they have been saying has been preparing for this day. So I wonder if now Chris and Adam are going to move on from Peakprosperity and do something different.

    I did feel it was pretty idealistic to say now that the unsustainable system has collapsed we will go back to a time where we embrace community and all of our "first world problems" will go away. Yes these first world problems will go away but I think we are going to wish we had them back after we go through years of suffering the world is going to experience. It is going from> the breakdown of community because everyone is on social media to> there are people in my community that are starving and crime is rampant. Well at least no one is on facebook anymore....

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 11:33am

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    RE Actual Jamming

     

    But are you *really* surprised?  I've always assumed that TPTB would do everything possible to maintain the status quo -- or a reasonable facsimile -- for as long as possible.  So it's another $2 Trillion here, another $2 Trillion there ("and pretty soon you're talking about real money"), and whatever the long-term result may be, they (TPTB) figure they can live with that better than they could live with any real change right now.  The vested interests are very heavily (in)vested!  And they hold most of the power.

    So I am not surprised at all.  (Getting killed on my SH position -- should have sold it when I had the chance.  But it's a tiny position, because I knew I couldn't count on the market doing what it "should" be doing.)

    We live in interesting times...

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 11:41am

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    Hulva2006

    So I wonder if now Chris and Adam are going to move on from Peakprosperity and do something different.

    Your new here so please allow me to provide my insight.  Chris and Adam are involved in a lot of different activities and ventures. Peak Prosperity is just one of them and it’s been around for a long time.  I anticipate it will continue. At least I/we hope so.

    Yes these first world problems will go away but I think we are going to wish we had them back after we go through years of suffering the world is going to experience.

    That's called life, the only constant in life is change.  Looking back is regret and looking forward is fear.  Best get busy and deal with the here and now and plan for a future of uncertainty, change and struggle.

    The one thing in life you ALWAYS get to choose - your attitude.  Yes this Pandemic sucks so find a purpose, make a difference. We have opportunities.  Where do you see opportunities to learn and grow and contribute!

    AKHrannyWGrit

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 11:57am

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    Re: virtual jamming

    Wow, just wow🙌.

    is there a YouTube link? I want to share this with a few friends!

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 11:57am

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    Last comment - Your Thoughts?

    I need to get busy but wanted to share/ask one more thing.
    Have been listening to Malcolm Gladwell’s book Talking To Strangers.  In the book he tells about a Cuban spy who defects to America.  The spy reveals that a lot of the CIA’s spy's are actually double agents.  The book  is about how we think we can evaluate people and situations but often times we as people are not very good at it. Thus the CIA people were astounded to learn, that for years their spy's were actually double agents. Duh, they were duped.

    It’s hard to tell if the craziness is just incompetence, lack of imagination, too much complexity or some true evil at work or a combination.  Lately I am thinking incompetence and lack of deep thought.

    What do you think?

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 12:00pm

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    Victory Lap? Hulva

    There is no victory for anyone...Only the beginning of hard work to build the new paradigm. I am building local alliances and focusing on anticipated needs 2 to 3 months out. Gardens are expanding.....baby chicks are growing....repairs to fences and water systems...searching for an apprentice to help with our gardens......Living like folks in the 1920’s seems much more sane than the 2020 culture that has just died a sudden death.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 12:04pm

    DaveDD

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    DaveDD said:

    Dear AKGrannyWGrit: all of the above.

    and, what did I win?

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 12:16pm

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    Astrophysicists looking for dark matter invent dirt-cheap open-source ventilator

    This is really cool:

    Someday, when someone asks what you did during the COVID-19 pandemic, most of us will have unimpressive answers: watched Netflix, practiced cooking, took up guitar, survived.

    A few, though, will have some amazing stories, such as the doctors and nurses who are fighting a war to save lives. And then there are the scientists who can't get into their labs and have taken up some astounding side projects.

    That's the case for Cristiano Galbiati, a physicist at Princeton University, who, with help from over 100 scientists from Italy, France, Canada and the U.S., prototyped a ventilator that can be put together relatively easily with mostly off-the-shelf parts. The device costs just hundreds of dollars versus the tens of thousands such a device usually costs, and plans are underway to produce it in volume.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 12:24pm

    DaveDD

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    Reply to Hulva2006

    Hi Hulva2006,

    I find your remark quite negative. PP feels like an oasis in a desert: well informed, critical, rational yet sensitive. Apart from that, what I like most about it, is the spiritual depth: spirituality has nothing to do with incense, karma, yoga etc, but anything to do with sharing, caring and daring.

    They, like many others, have forwarned us. But unlike most, they openly put their deeds where their mouths are.

    take care!

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 12:28pm

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    D’Martino Booth while we wait for Chris

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 1:40pm

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    Jamming link

    Here you, DaveDD:

    "https://youtu.be/iApGCNtI5gk"

    cheers,

    A

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 2:05pm

    drbrucedale

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    Plain Living and High Thinking

    Hi Hladini:

    Not to take anything at all away from the Hare Krishnas...truth is truth no matter who says it or when they said it, but a very similar thought is attributed to William Wordsworth who called for "plain living and high thinking". It was the intellectual motto of the New England thinkers who had such a profound influence on the founding and early days of the US.

    For me, that particular truth is also summed up in the life and teachings of the Man from Galilee, Jesus of Nazareth, whose life, death by torture and resurrection the Christian world celebrates this weekend. That Man said (loosely translated): "a person's life does not consist of how much stuff he or she piles up." And He lived it.

    Happily, I think this basic idea is one of the chief intellectual foundation stones of PP.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 2:19pm

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    Humor: 5 kinds of people for the post - 'rona world

    From Daisy Luther on facebook

    From an anonymous UPS delivery driver...

    5 types of customers since the “rona”:

    1) Steve: He has been waiting for this moment his whole life. He has been drinking boilermakers since 10:00 am in his recliner and his AR is within arms reach. He has 6 months provisions in the basement and a bug out bag due west buried in the woods. Steve demands a handshake as I give him his package. He’s sizing me up as I deliver his ammo. Steve will survive this, and he will kill you if he needs to.

    2) Brad: He is standing at his window wearing skinny jeans and a Patagonia t-shirt. He is mad because there were no organic tomatoes at Whole Foods today. He points at the ground where he has taped a 6 ft no go zone line from his porch. I leave his case of Fuji water, organic granola bites, and his new “Bernie Bro” hat at the tape. Brad will not survive. Steve will probably eat him.

    3) Nancy: She has sprayed everything with Thieves oil. Bought all the Clorox wipes, hand sanitizer, toilet paper, meat, and bread from the local grocery chain. She has quarantined her kids and sprays them with a mixture of thieves, lavender, & mint essential oils daily. She has posted every link known to man about “The Rona” on her social media. She will spray you if you break the 6 ft rule. I will leave her yet another case of toilet paper. She will last longer than Brad, but not Steve.

    4) Karen: She has called everybody and read them the latest news on “The Rona”. She asked for the manager at Food Lion, Walmart, Publix, McDonalds, Chi-Fil-A, and Vons all before noon demanding more toilet paper. Karen’s kids are currently faking “The Rona” to avoid her. I’m delivering “Hello kitchen” to her. Karen will not survive longer than Brad.

    5) Mary: Is sitting in the swing watching her kids have a water balloon fight in the front yard as she is on her fourth glass of wine. She went to the store and bought 2 cases of pop tarts, 6 boxes of cereal, 8 bags of pizza rolls, And a 6 roll pack of toilet paper. There is a playlist of Bob Marley, Pink Floyd, and Post Malone playing in the background. I’m bringing her second shipment of 15 bottles of wine in 3 days. Mary will survive and marry Steve. Together they will repopulate the earth.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 3:52pm

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    Make the Best Plans You Can

    But, remember, no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.

    An prime example is Covid-19.  I never saw this coming, or envisioned how massive the overnight changes could be.

    Excellent discussion gentlemen.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 3:58pm

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    KeriTheKiwi

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    Kick around topic request

    Kia Ora all,

    There have been a number of statements in the media around compulsory vaccinations.

    Now I'm not an "anti-vaxxer" as such, but I am very selective in what I agree to take, and when I do take them I ensure a gap of time of around 6 months between them to ensure my body has more opportunity to process the toxins.  I think both extremes of taking every vaccination recommended vs refusing all to be extremely dangerous.  My usual M.O. with new vaccines is to wait for a couple of years to see how the first people taking it cope with it etc and give myself time and mental space.

    There are no words to express how offensive I find the idea of being herded towards a brand new vaccine, with no discussion whatsoever around possible alternatives and no allowance for time to seriously consider consequences either way.

    There are a number of announcements that make me feel uneasy that are occurring almost simultaneously with the suggestions of mandatory v's ... for example

    - WHO stating, "we may have to enter homes to remove sick people" (the same people that brought us this mess looking after a loved one of mine?)

    - Fauci saying you may need a vaccine to travel (you mean I can't travel now?  Well you declined vaccination - it's your choice.....)

    Back to my topic request - what options are there besides taking the vaccine? I'm not that great with citing research articles but I there seem to be a number of plants such as mushrooms with antiviral properties.  I was thinking how much money vaccines would cost indebted governments vs plants/fungi that could be grown by people taking responsibility for their own health with government limited to communicating recommendations.

    Plus, if there is a legitimate option then it effectively reduces the price of the vaccine due to loss of monopoly.

    Maybe you guys have some ideas.

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 4:33pm

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    Lead by Example

    I would like to see Bill Gates, on stage with all his children, grand children and relatives have some arbitrary nurse show up with a random sample of the vaccine and watch them take it.  Next a few Senator's, their families and the President.  I would then be much more trusting.  Again, the sample would have to be random, say a local Walgreens, 2,000 miles away.  That’s what we get, it should be good enough for them don’t you think.

    You know, like an Engineer standing under a bridge he built.

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 5:07pm

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    centroid

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    centroid said:

    it would be good if pp could illustrate how to covert the money system to a hard money standard and also have a table on the side pricing break, milk, ballbearings etc in terms of gold or satoshi's. the more the vision of a hard money standard is put in front of people then i think you get closer to the dream. if we want a sutainable future then we cant carry on with a system like this where interest rates in no way signal how much real savings there are. i believe that a us dollar used to be 23.22 grains of gold where i grain = 0.065 grams and at 55dollars/ounce  1 X original us dollar = about US 79dollars

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 5:09pm

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    Isolation: Day 30

    Finally, some warm weather. GI Jane day, in solidarity with Ision, I shaved my head. (Well, tightest cut on the Remington clippers, trust me with nothing sharp.)    Brings to mind all those Buddhist monk past lives.  Calling it the Covid-19 cut.  To town next week before the food runs out.  Going with all PPE, even tho supposedly, no confirmed cases in my county, yet.  I can't believe it.    Lots to do outside, gotta kick my lazy butt into gear.

    Every one have a blessed Resurrection Day, however you see it.  What an interesting, challenging time and place to be alive.  Thanks PP team.

    Stay safe Suzie Gruber!

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 5:17pm

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    Yes, while we wait for Chris...

    Thanks for the video AK Granny.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 5:36pm

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    Avoiding the mandatory vaccine

    I certainly understand the revulsion at having my body violated by "the state" which is not primarily concerned about my well-being.  I suspect that at some point we will have to demonstrate immunity, either by antibody titers or by proof of vaccination.

    I personally, would prefer to get the infection than the vaccine.  This is my own bias.

    But, I'd like to do that in as controlled a setting as possible.  Lining up where I will get care, stock piling my OJ and chicken noodle soup, vitamins, chaga tea, etc.

    I'd like to get the best possible antivirals I can find.  So far that looks like Zelenko's combination (Zn, HCQ and Azith) with ivermectin (and here), other zinc ionophores (like quercitin) and a backup of other existing medications with anti-coronavirus activity like lopinavir, the HIV drug.     [Edit--  The medication chlorpromazine (Brand name thorazine) mentioned in this paper doesn't reach adequate blood levels at normal PO doses and loperimide (Brand name Imodium AD) isn't absorbed from the GI tract well enough to offer blood levels that would inhibit CoV replication.  So forget them.]

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 5:59pm

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    No Chris video update today -- for good reason! (Matt Taibbi)

    For those wondering where today's (Thursday) covid-19 daily video update from Chris is, it's not coming.

    But there a happy reason why.

    A few hours ago, we learned that Matt Taibbi, of Rolling Stone "vampire squid" fame, was available to speak with us.

    As we've been pursuing Matt as an interview guest for years, we dropped everything to seize the opportunity.

    The interview Chris recorded with him went just great. Matt's a very nice and articulate guy who's extremely knowledgeable about Wall Street's inner workings and how they're enmeshed with the DC political machine.

    Matt exposes how today's "unfairness economy" continues to reward the bad actors at the expense of the general public. Our leaders are either powerless to stop this abuse, or complicit in it.

    We're in post-production now and should have the interview on the site within the next few days. It's a very important discussion and we're excited to bring it to you.

    cheers,

    A

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 6:06pm

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    Great Score Love Matt Taibbi

    Looking forward that interview!!!

    Thanks Adam

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 6:20pm

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    herbal remedies

    Have you researched Stephen Buhners info on corona virus? I would be interested in hearing what you think. Have worked well for me...

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 6:21pm

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    Important Interview - Andreas Kalcker -

    I have been reading many posts here over the past months, which have been useful, entertaining, educational, and inspirational to say the least! I spend a good deal of time researching, and today I ran across an interview that I thought would be especially pertinent for those of us who are looking for 1) the best alternative remedies to stay as healthy as possible given we are or may be largely "on our own" or 2) having possibilities for an action plan if and when CV symptoms emerge. I thought this interview was really worthwhile and would love to read feedback from anyone who might have any knowledge or experience with the subject.

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 6:37pm

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    Nice chat

    Well it was a nice pleasant chat. I kept hearing John Sebastion singing "what a day for a daydream"

    It is the end of empire and the rape and pillage is going on right before our eyes. The barbarians have been inside the gates for decades and the plans are now being executed.

    Charles I got news for ya bro there aint gonna be no competing currencies. The currency will be what the controllers want it to be. You will use it or perish. They will come for your gold and silver just like they did in 1933. There is no constitution. There is only the law of the jungle. Thinking there will be investment opportunities is ludicrous. These people have been at this for centuries. They are not giving up their money and power. They have survived every war, revolution, pandemic, election etc. Not only have they survived they have thrived at the expense of us serfs

    Mandatory vaccination with god knows what, a digital cashless monetary system where every penny is tracked. Hell would not surprise me if everyone will have to take Soma to even be allowed to live in the brave new world.

    Yeah it was a nice chat but the elephant in the room is the global neo feudal system being installed. It's game over. They have not mismanaged anything. They are 100 moves ahead on the chessboard. Does anyone in their right mind think they were not ready for this? I hope the next chat isn't so "pleasant " and there is at least one mention of a pitchfork at least for moving the mulch in a victory garden . Living in a banana republic would be a step up. I am with you boomer

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 7:06pm

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    Mohammed Mast

    Maybe those of us who are older can remember the discussions about Bergen-Belsen, Auschwitz and Dachau.  Many have little concept of what was and what is possible.

    Good comments!

    AKGranny

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 7:21pm

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    I'm not always a pessimist, AKGranny...

    Out of the house for the first time at least seven weeks (husband is sure it's been seven years). All PPE'd up, got five Brahma banty chicks and four ducks of whatever breed they turn out to be. I really want them for snail demolition. Actual cream for the coffee for a week or so instead of dry milk...WooHoo. I live for the simple pleasures.

    The Mama squirrel has taken her nearly grown babies out from under the house--we can replace the hardware cloth in the vent before she is ready for another litter. My neighbor is sharing eggs with us, by the time ours are ready to start laying, hers will be ready to slow down for the fall/winter.

    Yes, life is definitely going to be  'interesting'. Not boring--I was told growing up that only people with small minds and no imagination got bored. Or those who needed a nice hard job to do, like cleaning the bathroom with a toothbrush. Needless to say, my siblings and I were rarely 'bored'.

    It is good to be alive.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 7:52pm

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    Investment opportunities?

    Mohammed mentioned that the notion of "investment opportunities" is ludicrous. I didn't have time to listen to all of the chat but I hope that phrase wasn't used as it would almost seem like it's harking back to business as usual before the virus, though Charles did offer the notion of doing things for the benefit of the community rather than for the optimisation of profits.

    An advert for the "Prosper" book popped up on this page and, as I closed it, I seemed to see some reference to growing one's money. I hope I didn't see that because the thought going back to a money-centric view is abhorrent to me.

    Given that this virus isn't going to evolve our species to another one, it is hard to see how we, as a species, will alter our characteristic species behaviour when (or if) this is all over. So no optimism from me. Governments around the globe are acting to try to get the economy, as we knew it, fired up again as soon as possible, throwing huge sums of money at keeping things going, at a time when very little is going, as though throwing money at businesses that have come to a standstill will somehow get the virus under control sooner. If we do come out of this, how many people will be able to participate in the economy which follows? If unemployment is 20%, 30%, 40% how will that disrupt society? If lockdowns have to continue for months, how will that affect society?

    I don't have answers and I don't see how we can prepare for an unknown future when so many will be part of a collapse society.

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 8:02pm

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    A kindred spirit MQ

    Seven weeks, impressive.  Awesome, chickens and ducks. Great pest control and duck eggs are great for baking.  My husband is quarantining at our cabin and I with my sewing machine. But we FaceTime so we are both happy. Actually have to get permission to travel but thats not a problem. Crazy, did not see that coming.

    Squirrels can be destructive. I agree, wouldn’t want them under the house. And boredom was not part of our family’s vocabulary either.

    You must be a happy Mama to chicks, ducks and drinkin real coffee now! Fun but work too!

    Yes, it is good to be alive.  Have been thinking about “post” pandemic.  I think people will behave different.  More people will be aware that the unexpected can happen.  They may not be so willing to go deep into debt and prepare more for uncertainty.  Corporations are probably hoping people will run out and max out their credit cards and spend.  Pain and stress will still be on peoples minds and spending habits will change.  It will be interesting to see how big corporations handle less profit and less stock repurchases.

    Small business owners may have opportunities.  We can pop popcorn and watch.  Chickens are fun to watch too.  We’d collect slugs and throw them all in the coop and watch the kerfluffel.

    Cheers

    AKGranny

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 9:55pm

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    Spikenard said:

    Vshelford, that poem, *To Althea from Prison* by Richard Lovelace is something I live by and is my favorite poem. To me, it’s really a prayer. Thanks for quoting it!

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  • Thu, Apr 09, 2020 - 11:58pm

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    Contrafactum Cats

    A virus arrived just the other day
    It went to work while the Who said Nay
    There were planes to catch, CEOs to pay
    It did its bit turning Growth Decay
    And it was walking through the people and as it grew
    Said, Bro, it's Just the Flu, Bro
    You know it's not as bad as Flu

    And the cat's getting covey and the Pills are Blue
    Money print taking our debts to the moon
    "When you coming Homeland?" "I don't know when"
    We'll Great Repression then, son.
    You know we'll have Food Line then.

    Downing Street, Number 10,the other day
    Said the Herd might burn. Woops, the other way!
    Will the Dems elect Joe, Bidens brain decay
    We got a lot of Food, I guess we're ok.
    While Walking Dead analogies, the debt bubble blew
    They were welding doors in Wu-han
    On twitter, not on main stream news.

    And the cat's getting covey and the bills are due
    People in parks going two by two
    "When you coming vaccine?" we don't know when
    We'll get a reboot then, peeps.
    Just the wolves but not the sheeps.

    Scomo bends the curve just the other day
    So much like Jacinda we just had to say.
    Scott's a Neo Lib, looking Left for a while
    Markets shook their heads, Lizard people smiled.
    "What we'd really like plebs is to swallow your future"
    "See you later! See? Our hands are clean"

    And the cat's getting covey and the till vacuumed
    People fall cracks but don't make the news
    When you coming Dow Jones I don't know when
    Trickle-down promised then
    No pork, just bird-flu hens.

    Returns for Retired and their Health moved away
    I called Japan just the other day
    We said "We'd like to Be You, if you don't mind"
    "We've lived with flat-line growth since 19 99"
    "But the carry-trades buggered we don't know what to do!"
    "and we'll still buy coal from you, Oz"
    "Since mining's all you guys can do"

    And as the world thought this rupture just about Covey....
    The poor. And Human Greed, man.
    The thing that burst was Human Greed.

    And the cat's getting covey and the Pills are Red
    Bill Gates predicted this in Pandemic Ted
    When will pubs be open, we don't know when.
    We'll fall asleep again, man.
    Older things get New again.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 1:27am

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    U.S. banks to seize energy assets as shale boom goes bust

    [No doubt that the banks will get Federal Reserve approval for short-term commodities ownership and digital cash to shore-up these toxic assets. They'll relax the rules, provide waivers and bail-out cash directly or indirectly, and extend this "temporary" measure repeatedly until entrenched. And We the (little) People will end-up backstopping the losses. The Fed and other central banks and the TBTF banks are well on their way to owning the world.]

    Exclusive: U.S. banks prepare to seize energy assets as shale boom goes bust

    "Major U.S. lenders are preparing to become operators of oil and gas fields across the country for the first time in a generation to avoid losses on loans to energy companies that may go bankrupt, sources aware of the plans told Reuters."

    "JPMorgan Chase & Co, Wells Fargo & Co, Bank of America Corp and Citigroup Inc are each in the process of setting up independent companies to own oil and gas assets, said three people who were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. The banks are also looking to hire executives with relevant expertise to manage them, the sources said. "

    "Big banks will need to get regulatory waivers to execute their plans, because of limitations on their involvement with physical commodities, sources said."

    "Banks are hoping their planned ownership time frame of a year or so will pass a Federal Reserve requirement that they do not plan to hold assets for a long time. Because lenders would be stepping in to support part of the economy that is important to any potential rebound, and which has not gotten direct bailouts from the federal government, that might help applications, too."

    "For now, the banks are establishing holding companies that can sit above limited liability companies (LLCs) containing seized assets. The LLCs would be owned proportionally by banks participating in the original secured loan."

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-banks-energy-assets-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-banks-prepare-to-seize-energy-assets-as-shale-boom-goes-bust-idUSKCN21R3JI

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 1:44am

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    The unexpected

    Yesterday the unexpected happened. Macron, our President, went to Marseille to visit Dr Raoult.

     

    https://twitter.com/raoult_didier/status/1248504146774216704

    There has been much talk about Deep State - and the Fed's all out assault on the Capitalist system. For the latter I would say that They are in sheer desparation. Deep State, which Macron is a front man is much more subtile - Machiavelian - prince in their nature. They can jump ship at any moment - and that is what has appeared to happen Thursday. The French President was going to address the people Thursday at 8pm - I guess someone told him that the Christians would not appreciate an announce of bad news during the Last Supper festivities - so we are going to wait until Monday for the bad news. But Austria has created a stir that they will end the confinement next week. This was not what Deep State wanted to hear. And to bring us back to a human scale, the daughter of Brigitte Macron from a previous marriage, has caught the dreaded virus and been cured by the HCQ +  therapy. All those of you with wives can understand that the ambiance in the Presidential Palace has changed, and that our dear Emmanuel was most certainly encouraged to go see Doctor Didier. So "Wait and See" as we now say in French - for Monday's speech by President Macron.

     

    All of you who have been pointing to Deep States total control - I basically am in your camp. But this sort of thing, like a fruit which falls out of the Tree, and at PRECISELY the moment of the mass celebrating the Last Supper - call it what you want - serendipity or the hand of God. But I am jumping the gun!! Anyone who goes against this banks - industrial military machine - petro-dollar ... will pass a few sleepless nights. Macron is the Rothchild's fabrication - rising in a flash from nowhere. Inherently insecure - doesn't like his own parents - no children of his own - these are our leaders. MSM has poisoned the lives of good people who would have been much better leaders - Deep State with MSM - it was not in their interest. And maybe Deep State itself is divided? Not everyone in Europe likes NATO, with the help of America, bothering the Russian Bear ad infinitum.

    So maybe starting Monday the wheels start coming off of the machine - earning reports season - a problem in the precious metals market? One thing for sure, Deep State as portrayed by the Rothchilds are like a fencing master seeking their moment, yet leaving an escape route open - to live another day. Not all peoples put up with the Bullsh.T that America imposes - no one finger prints you when you come in France. I was threatened once, with my family, at US customs in the Bahamas - the customs officer asked me if I had any food items. I said "Yes, we've got some sandwiches". To which he yelled "Food". I was greeted by a lady holding a semi-automatic rifle pointed at me asking me what was in the bag. I said "I'm not sure my Aunt's butler made us some sandwiches. I think there is a ham sandwich for each of us?" "Is the ham from America?" This went on for a while.

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 1:58am

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    Pre-Prints (no jamming)

    After the visit yesterday mentioned above.

    IHU Méditerranée Infection has decided to publish all of their papers on the basis of a "Pre-Print" before official publication. They are in English as well. This is for you if useful - I have taken the attitude that we have to work on this together - you are the spokesman.

    https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/pre-prints-ihu/

     

    Happy Easter

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 2:55am

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    The unfolding utopia…

    The ugly truth is – we live in a command based structure, where we have all been
    programmed by our national Govts’ and their propaganda MSM broadcast machines since
    our earliest school years to become docile followers and we are not encouraged to become free-thinking individuals.

    We have been conditioned for decades to embrace teams, our tribal herd, and the mass preferential viewpoint only, that, and to suck-up de facto popular opinion – triggered to reject anything different eccentric or that which stands alone.

    We are so innately Pavlovian conditioned that all it takes for any official authority or business to prompt us to buy or accept something as ideal - all they simply have to do is repeat a statement more than three or four times, until we readily internalise it and repeat it back ourselves and then follow it as a complete and obvious truth and/or the latest trendiest thing we must own and behold.

    This is NLP programming - the frequent repetition of words to trigger the required worldview of how to think, act… what to like or dislike and who to idolise and follow…”

    So radiate with the continuing fear bubble – obey your masters.

    Smile as you line up for your mandatory citizen vaccine chip.

    Delight in your universal basic income pittance.

    And be very grateful for your social credit score profile which is of course non-negotiable.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 3:42am

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    MQ

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    U.S. banks to seize energy assets as shale boom goes bust

    Teapot Dome 21st century style. Well, the banks will be amazed to realize they have been snookered in ND.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 4:52am

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    "Reopening an economy isn't getting out of bed in the morning."

    This, posted by someone I know on FB yesterday:

    My cousin Andrea in Chicago works for a Fortune 100 corporation at the executive management level. She's been with this company for 14 years and earns a high six-figure salary. She's worked incredibly hard to get where she is. Yesterday she was notified that they're reducing her salary by 22%, or $102,300. Take it or leave it. Economies are dynamic and complex. There's millions of moving parts all driven by praxeology.

    As Professor, Kevin Gutzman, rightly said recently, "Many will find that their new employment is less remunerative or otherwise less congenial than their former employment. Family savings will have been consumed, in whole or in part, for the purpose of current consumption. Reduced savings across the economy, thus less investment in plant and equipment, will mean lower production in the future. People with less money will buy fewer/smaller houses, fewer/less expensive automobiles, and fewer/less expensive business plants. Dentists will see fewer patients less often. So will physicians. Attorneys will have fewer real estate closings and give less business advice. There will be fewer new patents than there would have been. An economy isn't static or linear. Reopening an economy isn't getting out of bed in the morning. It's more like ending a war without a winner."

    More than 16,000,000+ people have lost their jobs in the last three weeks. That's just over 10% of the workforce. Yet, there's still some slow learners out there who are mindlessly touting a "contagion apocalypse." As my friend Carl says: "This is going to be very, very difficult to recover from. As I've been saying for years, if you believe the economy is in great shape, you're kidding yourself. And, the effects from creating $6 Trillion out of thin air have not even materialized yet."

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 4:53am

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    Programming...

    I grew up in a Catholic family where we attended Mass faithfully every Sunday. I even attended Catholic school for eight years. Talk about programming! The Catholics have that perfected. I have not been a practicing Catholic for many years. Recently an uncle passed and I attended his funeral Mass. I watched in awe of the programming that occurred to sit, stand, kneel, make gestures and respond at the appropriate times and not only the other people, but ME. The whole process was so ingrained I knew every appropriate answer and gesture. It was scary.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 5:09am

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    Contrafactum Cats

    Singlespeak request - can you put this to music?

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 5:43am

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    Brandon Smith’s brand of “optimism”

    http://www.alt-market.com/index.php/articles/4184-how-to-protect-yourself-from-long-term-pandemic-lockdown

    ...the pandemic crisis concerns me much less than an economic collapse, which was an inevitability even before the coronavirus went mainstream.  How do we reconcile the government's extreme response to the pandemic with the public's need to function economically?  Are we just supposed to sit back and become slaves, dependent and clamoring for a meager UBI check every month?  I think not.

    So, the question is, what can we do about it? As I have been saying for well over a decade, the solution is to decouple from the system and build our own. But what does this mean specifically?

    Step 1: Start Providing Your Own Essentials

    Essentials include water, food, shelter and security. Without these four things no human can live for very long. If a person can provide these things for himself, then he will never be beholden to anyone, including a domineering government.

    I suggest starting small and expanding. Build a water collection source, or drill a well if you own property. Turn your yard into a garden, even if you live in the suburbs. In fact, your entire neighborhood should be growing gardens right now, and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise should be dissuaded from their attempts to control what you do on your own property. This means establishing neighborhood security and no longer relying on local law enforcement.

    It's one thing to store essentials in case of emergency, it's another to become a producer and ensure your survival for the long term.

    Step 2: Organize For Mutual Aid And Defense

    Each neighborhood or town should be working together for security as the system continues to collapse, which means establishing radio communications and small patrols to ward off looters. In New York alone, major crimes are up 12% as the lockdowns ramped up.  In many municipalities in the US, law enforcement is not responding to most calls involving assaults, break-ins and robberies.  Organization at this time is paramount; the more organized you are the more of a deterrent you represent to people who would seek to take what you have. Most predators are cowards; when given the choice between a strong target and a weak target, they will invariably choose the weak target.

    The common argument against organization is that the “nail that sticks up will be hammered down”. I would remind people that the nails that are willingly hammered down will be stepped on forever. Nobody wants to step on a nail that sticks up. That hurts.

    Predators, including predatory and totalitarian governments are, at bottom, weaklings. And their weakness will become apparent the moment they face an opponent that actually refuses to back down due to fear.

    Step 3: Establish Barter Markets And Black Markets

    As noted in previous articles, the primary goal behind this pandemic is to use it as a rationale for controlling all commerce. If you do not have the proper “green code” from the government indicating you are “free from infection”, then you are not allowed to participate in the economy. No job, no grocery stores, no public gatherings, etc. This is happening right now in places like China and South Korea and according to elitists like Bill Gates and others it is coming to the US soon, make no mistake.

    The only way to counter such control is to not need the mainstream system at all. Localized barter markets need to be established, and if they outlaw those, then you need to set up black markets. Trade and production must continue or humanity as we know it will die. It will be replaced with a centralized socialist hive system that will crush all liberty, and this is unacceptable. Localization is the key to our survival.

    This means that the public must make and active effort to save themselves through their own innovation instead of waiting around for government to save the day.

    Step 4:  Accept The Reality That Political Leaders Are Not Going to Save You - They Are Only Going To Make Things Worse

    It's funny, but if any of these lockdown measures were being implemented under a Democrat in the White House, conservatives would be enraged.  But, since Trump is president, a large number of conservatives have gone limp and docile; proclaiming that he is going to save the day and "cure the virus".  It's not going to happen, folks.  This is the same guy that was telling us in January that he trusted the data out of China and that everything was under control. Trump is not your savior, he is a long time puppet of the banking elites, as I have outlined and evidenced on numerous occasions.

    Trump's job is to oversee the collapse of the US while playing the role of a bumbling "nationalist" and "conservative" villain.  To be sure, he's not the only politician in office that is part of this agenda, and the UN and WHO are just as guilty of misleading people about the extent of the pandemic threat, but Trump is the one that conservatives blindly trust the most, and this is a problem.  If violations of the constitution continue to escalate, a war is coming, and Trump will NOT be on the side of liberty.  Conservatives will eventually have to decide which side of the fight they stand as the lockdowns drag on with only minor periods of relaxed restrictions.

    Ultimately, you cannot support economic socialization and big government tyranny just because Trump is president and still call yourself a conservative.

    Step 5: Be Ready To Fight And Die For What You Believe In

    People always talk about fighting for freedom, but the question is will they actually do it when faced with overwhelming odds? I can only speak for myself, and I will fight, but I do believe that many others out there are ready and willing to do the same.  That said, it really does not matter. It's not for us to defend ourselves only if we think we have backup. Be ready to fight alone if you have to; be ready to take risks, otherwise, you have no chance of winning, and thus the people collectively have no chance of winning. If others follow your lead, then so be it, but don't rely on it.

    There are many transgressions about to be foisted on the American people well beyond what we have already witnessed. You will know when the line in the sand has been crossed. Do not be surprised if in the next 3-6 months you hear the words “shots fired”. It is not enough to be prepped for the future. It is not enough to simply survive. The world as we know it is being sabotaged for the sake of power. Not money, but POWER. The elites will not be satisfied with anything less than total control. We cannot let them have it.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 6:41am

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    Charles Hugh Smith's local currency

    CHS points out that for currency: "it is only the productive value that counts"
    Where are some examples of new local currency according to CHS's ideas?
    I think that this a version of the "Real Goods Doctrine" wherein currency is created in response to efforts for creation of wealth, and has a value according to the reputation and actual creation of wealth by the recipient.   The Real Goods Doctrine was all the rage a hundred years ago I have heard, but the Federal Reserve, contrary to theory, did not follow this doctrine, which generally matches the amount of currency with actual wealth being created.   But now, because of electronics communications and recordation, each wealth producer can make his/her own currency based on the Real Goods Doctrine.  That is, a wealth creator (who needs seed money, if a farmere, or for raw materials/labor for a manufacturer) issues a promissory note currency, which has a value that reflects the communities' evaluation of the wealth creator......
    I hope to see interviews and discussions on this most important emerging issue.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 6:49am

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    An Important Update on the 2020 election

    Now that the US Federal reserve IS the market, and owns it lock stock and barrel, it's past time wondering about whether it was ever wise to allow a small, unelected group of bankers to literally purchase everything using a printing press only they get to operate.

    That's now a done deal, as they say.

    Given that, there's a powerful new entrant in the 2020 election cycle taking the electorate by storm, and using the bold strategy of already claiming to be president.

    Here's his economic platform, sure to be a winner this cycle:

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 7:21am

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    Remember all that adorable talk about normalization?

    The latest numbers on the Fed's balance sheet were just released:

    Fed balance sheet chart

    Took 100 years to get to $800 bil. Then we added $4 Trillion over the past ten years. Now we've just added nearly $2 more trillion in just a few weeks.

    "Normalization"....what a fantasy.

    This is how fiat currency regimes die, folks. It's so easy to print more, and so very painful/unpopular to shrink the money supply -- it just won't happen in today's environment, where the elites control our political system and the populace won't vote for anyone promoting austerity.

    That spike in money supply we're seeing now? It's just getting started. THAT'S why Chris and I have been such longtime advocates of owning precious metals and other hard/tangible assets. The value of those can't be inflated away by a printing press like your dollars/euros/yen can.

    POOM! phase here we come...

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 8:08am

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    Summer vs Winter

    Hey Chris, firstly thank you for the super informative dialog and DATA driven analysis!

    We live in WA and saw firsthand the impacts of COVID, but then also the fantastic response from our governor which seems to have flattened our curve unlike many other states still in denial.

    A few weeks back, you referenced the virus spread within countries in summer was following a similar growth trajectory as countries in winter.  Is that still the case?

    We have family in Australia and most Aussies aren't taking this seriously.  With an upcoming flu/winter season, would they expect it to get worse, and/or does summer/humidity give them a false sense of security?

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 8:22am

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    Thank you to my brother in France

    Thank you for narrating the ongoing, eye-opening war between the deep state and hydroxychloroquine, European edition.

    In case folks don't know, in the UK you are not allowed to have this drug for treatment of Covid-19, period.  Here's what the British Medical Journal said two days ago;

      https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1432

    Use of these drugs is premature and potentially harmful

    We sorely need an effective treatment for covid-19, but prevention by a vaccine or treatment with drugs that target specific structures in the virus are more likely to succeed than old drugs that may work in the laboratory but lack data supporting clinical use. No intervention should be assumed to be efficacious. Even drugs initially supported by evidence of effectiveness may later prove to be more harmful than beneficial. Too many medicines have been withdrawn because of adverse reactions after showing clinical promise.29 We need better, properly powered, randomised controlled trials of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. For now, except for supportive measures, infection with SARS-CoV-2 is “essentially untreatable.”

    I had to include the ending of the article for that one line I highlighted.  Please compare and contrast;  On the one hand, I have elsewhere on PP.com included an interview from two days ago where Dr. Zelenko of NY, who has now treated 383 high risk patients presenting with the symptoms of Covid-19, with only two dead, now calls efforts to suppress or otherwise limit use of this drug as a, "crime against humanity".  On the other hand you have two pharmacologists publishing in the British Journal of Medicine what amounts to ... well.. a crime against humanity.

    Thank you so much French Connexion for the Raoult reprint link - fantastique!  It will be most interesting to learn what happens next in this world wide drama.

    Oh, I almost forgot.. here's what the American press is saying about the new happenings in France;

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-10/malaria-drug-hype-reels-in-macron-as-hope-gets-ahead-of-science

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 8:24am

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    Dermatological aspects of Covid-19

    From Le Figaro and translated with Google.

    By Le Figaro with AFP
    Published on April 8, 2020 at 05:38, updated on April 8, 2020 at 05:59
    Pseudo-frostbite, hives, persistent redness: dermatologists alert the population and the medical profession on what they consider to be “cutaneous manifestations” of Covid-19 disease, we learned on Wednesday 8 April.

    In a press release, the National Union of Dermatologists-Venereologists (SNDV) explains that it organized a "WhatsApp group of more than 400 dermatologists (liberal and hospital-university)" who "highlighted skin lesions, associated or not with signs of Covid " . "These are acrosyndromes (appearance of pseudo-frostbite of the extremities), sudden appearance of persistent, sometimes painful redness, and lesions of temporary urticaria" , details the SNDV, which considers "important for patients who have problems of this type to consult a dermatologist " , from a distance or not.

    "Analysis of the many cases reported to SNDV shows that these manifestations can be associated" with the coronavirus, say dermatologists. "We are alerting the public and the medical profession in order to detect these potentially contagious patients as quickly as possible (without necessarily having respiratory signs)" , they conclude.

    Asked about this Tuesday evening, the Director General of Health, Jérôme Salomon, remained elusive. "Not to my knowledge," he replied to the question of whether one could consider certain dermatological problems like hives as new signs of the disease. " But as you know, we are learning about this virus every day and some are describing forms that were not known. But on this dermatological aspect I have not seen any publication, " he said.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 9:06am

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    Covid skin problems

    Hi, T. Rose,  This makes sense to me.  I haven't read much as to skin issues, some TCM mention.  However, in Chinese medicine, the organs of lungs, large intestine and skin are closely related.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 9:08am

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    centroid said:

    i dont quite understand the money supply but i dont reckon there will be any inflation. i like to follow jeff snider from alhambra investments. he understands the plumbing of the money system like no one else i've read. i think all the reserves above will just sit there and  do nothing. if gold goes up it will be because people THINK there will be inflation or it will go up because of a loss of confidence in the value of government actions and government paper (i like john hussmans explanation). i like this explanation best.. it would be good if pp could get john hussman on for an interview, thanks

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 9:23am

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    The unfolding crime against humanity

    I hope folks understand the gravity of what is going on here in the suppression of hydroxychloroquine truth.  It's really, really simple.

    The Raoult pre-preprint article, which was pointed to above by our friend French Connexion ( https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Abstract_Raoult_EarlyTrtCovid19_09042020_vD1v.pdf)

    tells the story of the 1061 patients treated early with the HCQ regimen.  Zelenko has treated 383 high risk patients early with the HCQ regimen.  This is a total of 1,444 patients across two continents.  The results?

    Raolt death rate:  0.5%

    Zelenko death rate (2 lost of 383):  0.52%

    Does anyone see a pattern emerging in the data?

    What should we compare this death rate to?  Pick your poison... from worldometer we can make an example of the UK, where we know that nobody is getting hydroxychloroquine.. their current CFR = 13.7%.  I know, I know.. lots of people who were mild and recovered are not counted, so this is overblowen.  The overall, worldometer presumptive CFR, if you do the math today, is 6.1%.  Zelenko stated that the death rate in his high risk, early treatment group was, "orders of magnitude" less than otherwise, and I don't think this is hyperbole when you consider that > 50% of people who go on ventilators die, and the whole concept of early treatment is to stay off a ventilator.

    Whether the death rate reduction benefit of early treatment with the HCQ regimen is 10X, or 100X, i.e. 0.5% vs 5%, or 0.5% vs 50%, it's dramatic either way.  Suppression of this treatment, and any lack of expediency in creating more of the chemical precursors (surprise surprise, even for Indian manufacturing they come from China) needed to make more doses, is a crime against humanity.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 9:25am

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    NY Executive Order to place restrictions on hydrochloroquine

    For those in NY- This is from the order that was sent out.

    • The directive contained in Executive Order 202.10 related to restrictions on dispensing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for prophylactic purposes is amended as follows:
    • No pharmacist shall dispense hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine except when written: as prescribed for an FDA-approved indication; for an indication supported by one or more citations included or approved for inclusion in the compendia specified in 42 U.S.C. 1396r–8(g)(1)(B)(i); for patients in inpatient settings and acute settings; for residents in a subacute part of a skilled nursing facility; or as part of an study approved by an Institutional Review Board.  Any person authorized to prescribe such medications shall denote on the prescription the condition for which the prescription has been issued.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 9:29am

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    A Virus - Bacterial Symbiosis?

    I managed to capture a speculative article from a Chinese herbal website blog, plumbdragonherbs.com , thanks to Clif High posted at gab.ai.  I can't pull up the website right now.    The ideas were based on treatment methods of TCM practitioners for Covid-19.  The gist of the long article is that the Corona-SARS2 virus is able to infect and hide out in the gram negative bacillus, Prevotella intermedia.

    This virus, bacterial symbiosis can explain several unique aspects of the disease, including the biphasic symptoms, inability to detect in patients with symptoms and the long incubation period.  It might tell why the combination of Zn ionophore, hydroxychloroquine plus the anti bacterial azithromycin works.  (Sorry if I misspelled this.)

    To reduce your body load of Prevotella, eat a low carb diet, get off the sugar.  There are some herbs also including Berberine that help.   Sorry for being a tech klutz that I can't post article or link.  Very worth reading.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 10:00am

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    That is fascinating Kunga

    There do seem to be things we still don't understand about this virus.  Since the referenced bacteria does tend to find a home in the human mouth, it's not crazy to think this may be the first place the virus finds a home;

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC108773/

    Periodontal disease, a chronic bacterial infection of the tissues supporting the teeth, affects approximately forty-nine million people in the United States (5). Prevotella intermedia, a gram-negative anaerobe, has been implicated as a putative periodontal pathogen due to its isolation from lesions of patients with early periodontitis, advanced periodontitis, and acute necrotizing ulcerative gingivitis (see reference 17 for a complete review). Periodontal disease may be a bigger health risk than previously thought, since recent epidemiological data strongly suggest that periodontitis is an important risk factor for coronary heart disease (2623).

    Invasion of epithelial cells is an important step in the pathogenesis of many infections (13)

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 10:04am

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    NY restrictions on prescribing hydrochloroquine

    This is just sickening!  Does this mean that Dr. Zelenko will be unable to Rx the med unless it’s part of his clinical trial? I can’t see him agreeing to that, not that he would have a choice. Most of these trials are designed to fail so that billions can be made off new drugs and vaccines. I am so disgusted.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 10:12am

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    Exactly Credenda..

    Zelenko is feeling the pinch.  In the most recent interview, in case you didn't catch it posted elsewhere, he and the MD from Kansas discuss these restrictions, and in particular they discuss the ways that the powers-that-be are surreptitiously playing the pharmacists against the doctors here.  I do think Zelenko is still able to get the drug.. but many others are not.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuLg_ltVfFc

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 10:21am

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    New York is actually OK

    Check out this video:

    It should start at 7:28.  Watch until 15:25.  A few minutes after 7:28, it details executive order 202.11 issued March 27 which clearly allows physicians to prescribe and pharmacists to dispense HCQ in an outpatient setting at their discretion for CoViD-19.  The lawyer in the video gives a very thorough explanation of how to interpret executive order 202.11 if you take the time to watch.

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 10:24am

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    New Corsi interviews; Getting the word out on Hydroxychloroquine

    Corsi has taken up the fight!  Dr. Vicki Wooll (MD) suggests that, "people should start asking questions instead of believing what the gov't tells them".  Amen

    Dr. Wooll also tells stories of lives saved by doctors working against the rules imposed by States against prescribing..  we are AT WAR and the enemy is not just a virus;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV0QdT1gygc

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 10:30am

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    Hydroxychloroquine & Azithromycin... a note of caution

    The reason some medics are backing off Hydroxychloroquine as a firstline therapy for Covid-19 infection is:

    1. Side-affects when mixed with exsisting drug regimens, such as Metformin

    Diabetics potentially have a LOT to lose by using hydroxychloroquine

    2. Hydroxychloroquine & Azithromycin mixed together in some patients can trigger dangerous heart arrhythmogenicity

    https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2020/03/27/14/00/ventricular-arrhythmia-risk-due-to-hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-treatment-for-covid-19

    Lest we forget Covid-19 attacks heart, lung and gut structures through ACE2 receptors.

    So self-medicating is not without risk, factors such as your own genetics, blood type… lifestyle habits and/or underlying health ticks all contribute to results or pharma efficacies.

    If in doubt don’t.
    I

    It's useless if the cure is worse than the bug, remember under 60 and fit-n-healthy?

    The odds are greatly in your favour... you'll make it just fine

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 10:32am

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    Re: Programming...

    Rajkumarijay,

    Wow, that’s amazing after all those years you experienced that. It also reminds me of Mormons. I grew up non-Mormon in the Mormon capitol of the world, Salt Lake City, in the 70’s. I didn’t understand a lot of what they did, and would ask questions which they were never able to answer… Reminds me of the Matrix movie.

    Linda

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 10:55am

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    A thought about glyphosate

    (Gosh, I miss being able to say, "Monsanto is Satan spelled backwards.") Roundup was initially suppose to be marketed as an antibiotic.  Then, when it was found to kill plants, it was applied as a herbacide that subsequently killed the soil bacteria and any poor ruminants that munched down on the roundup treated crops. Just wondering, if there is a virus bacterial association, would glyphosate in the diet kill off beneficial bacteria, unbalancing the system towards the Prevacella species that speculatively aid the Covid-SARS2 virus?

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 11:09am

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    Re: A thought about glyphosate

    Re: A thought about glyphosate
    Apparently, there is. I was just trying to figure out how to start a new topic when I noticed off to the side your new comment…

    I’m going to put it all here and still try to figure out how to create a new topic:

     

    I know it was late yesterday when this was originally posted by yagasjai in the thread “How We’ll Get Through The Coronavirus Debacle”, and even later/early this morning when I posted a reply. And so far, there’s only been one additional reply. Since I am hoping this gets looked at by either Chris or sand-puppy, someone with a medical background, and didn’t want it to get lost I wanted to start this thread. I’m including all three below.

    Yagasjai:
    Glyphosate and Covid-19
    Has anyone looked into this angle on Covid-19? I’ve been quite busy so haven’t been able to keep up with all the recent posts. Not sure if anyone else has passed this along, but in case no one has, here it is:

    https://jennifermargulis.net/glyphosate-and-covid-19-connection/?fbclid=IwAR2xqZK1Wufrcbci0OxxzLmZt1m8enAAW7MOLUz37-tZL-zVNPv2ck4GCFM

     

     

    yagasjai,

    OMG!!!! WOW!!!! That really blew my mind, that was really really interesting, and thanks for posting that.And a lot of it made a whole lot of sense too. Maybe some missing pieces of the puzzle? Could very well be. Hope Chris or someone else can take a look at it later, and I look forward to their input.

    The sections entitled "A link to waterways, highways, and airports", really the whole section was really interesting; "Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease"; "E-cigarettes and vaporized glyphosate"; "Collectins: proteins essential for the innate immune system"; and these paragraphs from the section "A broader perspective on glyphosate and COVID-19":

    "Is this all just coincidence? I don’t think so. Instead, I strongly suspect that the degree to which a person is susceptible to COVID-19 is proportional to the degree to which they have been exposed to glyphosate. Eating a certified organic diet and staying away from major highways may be among the best tools for protection from an acute reaction to COVID-19.

    Researchers from Wuhan, China have done a careful study of four patients who suffered from an acute reaction to COVID-19 and ultimately died [34]. These patients all had severe issues with insufficient oxygen supply due to pneumonia. They also exhibited deficiencies in immune function in terms of decreased counts of various types of immune cells."

    One of the things that occurred to me while reading the article is since glyphosate/Roundup is systemic, so it affects more than just "weeds", it affects the bees and other pollinators, microbial life, and travels up through the food chain, into the groundwater... Maybe, maybe someone's diet has something to do with the degree with which they do or don't get COVID, because if someone eats mostly organic foods, they have less of it in their body...

    Linda

     

     

    PaulJam,
    Re: Glyphosate and Covid-19

    If true, this could be a simple explanation why the young are less susceptible to COVID-19, because they simply have had less exposure to glysophate than older folks.

    Also, if true, this a stunning example of how complexity can manifest profoundly damaging unintended consequences.  Much attention has been given the Precautionary Principle with respect to managing the COVID-19 pandemic.  This glysophate link, if borne out, points to the need to employ the Precautionary Principle when rolling out new technologies and chemicals in ways that would ultimately render them economically infeasible.  How much precautionary screening/testing of glysophate would have been needed to identify this effect as a potential problem before the chemical was commercially rolled out?  A true predicament.

     

    Linda

     

    ADDED: I just figured out how, and created a new topic.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 11:10am

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    Bad attitude

    Re: Programming, standing alone

    " One on God's side is a majority."  --Wendell Phillips, American activist  1811

    When they come to chop my head off for not taking the chip, I hope it is quick.  It's not death that bothers me, just the long slow torture beforehand.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 11:28am

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    Something to think about

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 11:35am

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    Reply to Galene's notes of caution

    I like to think that we are truth seekers all here.  I certainly am.  In this regard, here is what I have gathered through my consumption of a massive amount of commentary by MD's on this topic:  I agree wholeheartedly with you on your point #1, and I strongly disagree with you on point #2.  My disagreement stems not from the argument on a theoretical basis.. I don't question whether long QT is a risk... what I am questioning is the risk vs. benefit equation in the case of Covid-19.. The MD's who are actually prescribing suggest that this risk is being dramatically overplayed in the current scenario.

    One of our hero's of hydroxychloroquine is Dr. Ban Truong, DO, PhD.  He has a background in emergency medicine and he has been very vocal about hydroxychloroquine through his youtube channel.  Just today he posted a very detailed account of the intricacies of treating diabetic Covid-19 patients, through the lens of a particular diabetic patient that he is treating;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6td4Clc_DA

    The same Dr. Ban Truong addressed the cardiac risk on March 23, starting at timestamp 9:00, in the following video.  I have heard Dr. Zelenko speak to never seeing the problem as well.  The cardiac risk is not a good reason to scare sick people away from seeking HQC, and it's clearly being used as one particular meme in the popular press to frighten folks;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSqimxmeTyQ

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 11:54am

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    From Kunstler's blog today

    I just read his blog post from today:

    Risings and Fallings

    I especially liked the first 3 paragraphs, and the bit about uncertainty rang a bell for me, ah...

    "In the corkscrewing anguish of the social sequester, with careers, savings, futures, and dreams whirling down the drain, voices rise above the din of conflicting statistics to ask: what is going on here? To some, it looks like a deliberate attempt to demolish what’s left of the economy for political advantage. Clouds of suspicion gather over the two medical superstars of the Daily Briefing show, Doctors Fauci and Birx, as they somewhat sheepishly revise their numbers for contagion and death downward and attempt to “balance” the formula of modeled projections versus mitigation efforts. Was the stay-at-home panic necessary, after all? Will it save the day or kill off modern life as we knew it?

    Well, everyplace else in the world was shutting down, weren’t they? Did they all go off their rockers, too? At least a hundred doctors died in Italy heroically tending the stricken, so they say. South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore opted for flat-out medical Gestapo action. Britain, Spain, France, and Germany about the same, but minus testing at the grand scale and tracing of contacts. Honestly, how is it possible the whole planet punked itself?

    I certainly don’t know the answer to all this, though readers are twanging on me to declare the whole Covid-19 story “a hoax,” which I’m not ready to do. I do know this: America has become utterly intolerant of uncertainty. And in the absence of certainty, that age-old human cognitive skill called pattern recognition, which has made us such a successful species, kicks into high gear scanning the field-of-view for answers. Any string-of-dots that affords even the slimmest plausibility goes on the table for review, including a lot of stories tagged as “conspiracy theories.”

    Linda

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 12:07pm

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    Glyphosate and Covid-19

    I think it's early to pose any really specific pathways by which glyphosate might be acting as a synergist in the case of the corona virus.  I had read the account regarding truck traffic, use of biofuels, and resulting exposure to glyphosate by folks in Seattle.. and as an analytical chemist with 35 years of troubleshooting experience in semiconductor manufacturing, including the tracing of various contaminants in the process... I found the argument to be a complete stretch of the imagination.  Just completely speculative, unsubstantiated, and not really helpful.

    Here's what we do know.. and I think it's enough to make us worry about glyphosate more generally, in the food we eat:  It kills our (good) gut bacteria.. our microbiome.

    https://www.gmoscience.org/glyphosate-and-roundup-disrupt-the-gut-microbiome-by-inhibiting-the-shikimate-pathway/

    Any ND or holistic MD will tell you how important gut health is to overall health and immune function.  Here is a recent PhD thesis covering the topic, noting that, "disbiosys" is a term for microbial imbalance;

    https://repository.arizona.edu/bitstream/handle/10150/628080/azu_etd_16326_sip1_m.pdf?sequence=1

    Especially when the immune system becomes involved, human disease and a dysbiotic state can feed into each other creating a vicious cycle (Berbers, 2017) (Lamont, 2015). Studies have shown that pathological dysbiosis can come about through different ways. Some dysbiotic states are believed to arise from problems with the host’s own biology, as in the case of primary immune deficiency (Oh, 2013), which in turn can exacerbate the issue or cause additional problems downstream of the dysbiosis. Dysbiosis often can result from exposure to certain extrinsic environmental
    compounds, usually those with antimicrobial capabilities.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 12:10pm

    Sparky1

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    10,000 families visit San Antonio Food Bank as coronavirus exacerbates food insecurity

    The serious breakdowns in food supply systems are becoming more apparent and widespread, and are certain to get worse in the coming weeks and months.

    If you haven't already done so, it is critically important for each of us to fortify our food supplies NOW!

    Get any gardening and food preservation supplies or tools you may need now, new or used; stock-up (don't hoard) where you can to fill-in gaps in your pantry, garden and preservation methods; learn to buy in bulk and prepare food/meals from "scratch"; buy, save or swap seeds (get/save extras if you can); grow a garden, learn to preserve via canning, dehydrating, fermenting, freezing, or freeze drying; secure seeds and beans and sprout your own greens; invest in a freeze dryer yourself or go in on a purchase with family or friends; join a CSA, make friends with other food producers; help out/buy from a farmer, dairy or rancher/livestock producer; raise your own chickens, and/or stealthy, quiet options such as quail, rabbits, or fish/indoor gardening via aquaponics; compost waste and build-up soils; create a worm bin; establish local relationships for barter and food security; learn container gardening, rain water harvesting or other self-reliance techniques described here on the PP site and other sites (literally thousands on YT) to build resilience.

    Good luck and stay healthy and safe all! 

    10,000 families visit San Antonio Food Bank as coronavirus exacerbates food insecurity

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/10000-families-visit-san-antonio-food-bank-as-coronavirus-exacerbates-food-insecurity/ar-BB12pTyp

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 12:32pm

    Galene77

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    The Rockefeller Foundation

    Scenarios for the future of Technology and International Development, published back in 2010...

    Read the report here PP’ers

    http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf

    P18 may sound strangely familiar, coincidence?

    Here’s Harry talking about the ‘plan’ back in 2014….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuOxG-rnj30

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 1:03pm

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    Anyone Remember This?

    Thanks Linda, good info.

    We certainly should question what we are told.  I vividly remember this lie.  Some of you may not have been born yet.  The lie was scripted, calculated and created at the highest levels. Check it out.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 1:04pm

    mch

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    we all need to remember to laugh some

    Good one Chris, but maybe it's time for the quadrennial presidential candidate, Vermin Supreme:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE

    always wanted a free pony, and eventually, they'll be worth more than a million dollars. They can fertilize your garden, haul you around, if worse comes to worse, I've heard they're delicious. 🙂

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 1:19pm

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Just In Case You Didn’t Believe The Lie In The Video I Posted Here Is 60 Minutes Detailing The Lie

    Had to have peoples support for the war.  Just Lie.  Hmmm could we be lied to today about something?

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 1:19pm

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    How much is $2 trillion? An engineer's perspective.

    The US government just voted to spend two trillion dollars on the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Bill.
    I was trying to get my head around the number two trillion. Being an engineer, I did a little mathematical exercise.

    Imagine your car engine is running at 2,000 rev/min.  (The crankshaft is turning 33 times per second.)
    In top gear, the car is traveling at 60 miles/hr   (1 mile/min).
    In other words, 2000 revolutions of the engine move the car 1 mile.
    It follows that 2 million revolutions will take you 1,000 miles
    After 2 billion revolutions you will have travelled 1,000,000 miles (assuming your engine would last that long)
    After two trillion revolutions you will have driven 1,000,000,000  (One billion miles or five round trips to the sun and back.)
    Conclusion: $2 Trillion is a hell of a lot of money.
     
    There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.
    ~ Richard Feynman, Physicist  (1918–1988)

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 1:51pm

    mark2

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    re: New Corsi interviews - decline of PP board quality

    Mr. Corsi is a professional disinformant who has promoted a variety of BS for a very long time.  Swift Boats.  Limits to growth don't exist (on a finite planet), the opposite view of what Chris has discussed for a long time.  Partisan hack is a polite description.

    As this board has attracted attention there has not been an associated fact checking effort.  Anyone can post anything, whether real, fake or in between.

    I long ago abandoned particular partisan perspectives, not a R nor a D and not even a Green.  But Mr. Corsi is a liar on so many other topics that trusting him on this is a mistake.

    "Just because someone says the government is lying does not mean they are telling the truth."

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 2:19pm

    Linda T

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    Re: Glyphosate and Covid-19

    Jim,

    Thank you for your comment, as I was reading it I thought about the connection between our immune system and the good bacteria in our stomach... Voila, you talked about it.

    Linda

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 3:11pm

    Credenda

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    New Corsi interviews. Mark2

    ”I long ago abandoned particular partisan perspectives, not a R nor a D and not even a Green.  But Mr. Corsi is a liar on so many other topics that trusting him on this is a mistake.”

    I never heard of the guy until I saw him on PP. But I’m willing to keep an open mind.  What are your specific problems with the material and guests he has presented concerning COVID ? I get that you don’t trust or like him but unless you can provide evidence that he’s untruthful about what he and his physician guests are presenting I will ignore your blanket condemnation. I can think for myself.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 4:02pm

    Grover

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    Covid-19 Cocktail

    Can't get Hydroxychloroquine without a prescription? Why wouldn't quinine work in a pinch? A low content source of quinine is tonic water.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonic_water

    Medicinal tonic water originally contained only carbonated water and a large amount of quinine. However, most tonic water today contains less quinine and is used mostly for its flavor. As a result of the lower quinine content, it is less bitter, and is also usually sweetened, often with high-fructose corn syrup or sugar. Some manufacturers also produce diet (or slimline) tonic water, which may contain artificial sweeteners such as aspartame. Traditional-style tonic water with little more than quinine and carbonated water is less common but may be preferred by those who desire the bitter flavor.

    In the United States, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) limits the quinine content in tonic water to 83 ppm[3] (83 mg per liter if calculated by mass)

    What good is tonic water without ice, some gin, and a squeezed lime (vitamin C)? Add some Brazil nuts (source of zinc) and you've got the makings for a covid-19 cocktail (no prescription required.)

    We're all supposed to be self-isolating. Here's some music to accompany your "alone time."

    To your health!

    Grover

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E9ydw_aDMg

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 4:20pm

    MQ

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    today's MedCram--more info on circulatory system

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8aG63yigjA

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 5:01pm

    DaveDD

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    Potential alternatives to hydrochloroquine

    Great idea to refresh yourself with tonic water! But there is more: Hydrochloroquine and chloroquine are the synthetic equivalents of quinine. What I understand is that these substances act as zinc “ionophores”, i.e., they make it easy for zinc to enter a cell.

    There are many more, much safer ionophores:

    1. Green tea contains EGCG
    2. EGCG is an over the counter supplement
    3. Quercitin is another over the counter ionosphere.

    The nice thing is: if you know how to make green tea (boil the water, let it cool to 80degrees celcius) you get both of these compounds. Unions and apples are rich in quercetin. Actually, there are a lot of dietary ways to load up on ionophores.

    so maybe this can be added to the normal dietary arsenal. (Combined with zinc of course).

    take care!

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 5:30pm

    mark2

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    re: New Corsi interviews. Mark2

    Anyone who has spent multiple decades as a disinformant is not someone I'm going to bother watching now, even if a few true points are mixed in with the dog food.  There are so many better options for expertise than partisan hacks who specialize in smearing their political opponents.  With CV, those with medical expertise are likely more accurate.   Those who have expertise in exponential growth, energy and ecological limits, regenerative agriculture, cooperative approaches, moving beyond partisanship, permaculture, etc. are where I am focused.

    I first came across Peak Prosperity from the Crash Course about a decade ago, which is the opposite of what Mr. Corsi promotes.  No sale.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 6:05pm

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    Triggered by Corsi...

    Wow.. I was going to stay out of this, even though I am obviously the source of the low quality posts on this here website, and even though I use words like, "alliteration" correctly, which I think of as pretty high quality for the interweb.  In any event, we are at war with a virus, there is an efficacious treatment at hand, and Mark2 is shooting the messenger.  Indeed, free speech is practiced here, and Mark2 can say what he wants.

    I just want to remind everyone once more of one of my low quality posts from earlier today, whereby I tried to convey what we are up against by showing you what the sheeple in the UK are being told via their prestigious medical journal, realizing that HCQ is not allowed for ANY use against Covid-19.. not even in hospitals.  If you are old and unwell in the UK and you get the virus, just die already, OK?   For convenience, I have highlighted the BIG LIE below;

      https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1432

    We sorely need an effective treatment for covid-19, but prevention by a vaccine or treatment with drugs that target specific structures in the virus are more likely to succeed than old drugs that may work in the laboratory but lack data supporting clinical use. No intervention should be assumed to be efficacious. Even drugs initially supported by evidence of effectiveness may later prove to be more harmful than beneficial. Too many medicines have been withdrawn because of adverse reactions after showing clinical promise.29 We need better, properly powered, randomised controlled trials of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. For now, except for supportive measures, infection with SARS-CoV-2 is “essentially untreatable.”

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 7:33pm

    Redneck Engineer

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    Exit Criteria

    How do you determine when it would be appropriate to reduce the level of self-isolation? What’s your exit criteria, in terms of specific metrics?

    A few may include:

    1. Widespread adoption of PPE and good hygiene practices.
    2. A flattened curve
    3. Available, proven treatment
    4. Available health care (staff, ICU beds, ventilators, etc.)

    However, I would reassess my risk tolerance given heightened economic, criminal, or government risk. I'd be more willing under these circumstances to risk my health.

    More broadly, analyzing the current situation in terms of metrics would give us an idea of when the proper time would be to lift a quarantine. Many people already face extreme economic hardship, with no income or savings and dependent on charity for food for tomorrow, and lifting the quarantine would allow them to get back to some sort of income, or to reopen their business.

    So the tradeoff between health and economic pain (which definitely implies a secondary health risk) could be balanced, or at least more transparent, if specific metrics were presented.

    That's one big failure of leadership in this crisis: I've not seen a clear justification for the duration of quarantine, isolation, and other measures. I'd think a good leader would communicate to people: "We impose this quarantine until criteria X, Y, and Z are met, and then we'll transition to the next phase, consisting of specifics 1, 2, and 3." That is a clear plan for managing the situation.

    Absence of a response plan can prolong a crisis.

    So the related question here is: what would a proper leader do? What exit criteria would he lay out, and why?

    I'm curious what Chris, Adam, and others think about this. Thanks.

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 7:56pm

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Redneck Engineer

    On the show “War Room” Pandemic with Steve Bannon they were talking about how the metric of 60 deaths per million people was being discussed as a guide for unlocking the country. Don’t know if thats official.

    The evening news spends more time tugging on the heart strings and intensely trying to stir up emotion rather than provide quality information.

    Good question.

     

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 8:43pm

    Linda T

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    Triggered by Corsi...

    Jim H,

    "...essentially untreatable". WTF??!!! That's a whopper! Helluva of a doozy. The word big is, well not big enough of an adjective im my opinion. Criminal. Outrageous...

    Linda

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  • Fri, Apr 10, 2020 - 9:54pm

    Jim H

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    Leronlimab for people on ventilators?

    This sounds promising based on very early patient data.  Being used against Covid-19 at UCLA.

    https://www.cytodyn.com/about-cytodyn

    The Next Generation of Monoclonal Antibody Therapy

    CytoDyn is committed to enhancing the lives of patients through target specific medicine. Our team is focused on developing Leronlimab, a monoclonal antibody CCR5 receptor antagonist, to be used as a platform drug for a variety of indications.

    Here is a report describing one seemingly successful use in saving a 55 year old woman on a vent.  Notice that the reporter casts no shade on Leronlimab.. no questions about side effects..  no comments about how, "anecdotal" this is.  Refreshing!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwS_YSDH5Ok

     

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  • Sat, Apr 11, 2020 - 10:26am

    Kelvin5400

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    Part 3

    Would you please make a video where you discuss the following:

    "After shooting this video, the group agreed that fertile future territory includes the housing market, retirement/pensions, which big cartels are most vulnerable to today’s disruption (e.g., education, health care, pharma, finance) and what benefits would emerge from breaking their industry strangleholds."

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  • Sun, Apr 12, 2020 - 9:22pm

    Justin_McSharry

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    Stages of inflation

     

     

    Thanks gents for a great discussion, I'd love for you to dive deeper into a couple of questions:

    1. What are the chances this new round of stimulus reflates the asset bubble and sends us on another 10yr bull run? The answer to this question in 2008 would have been "very low"...but then we went on a record 10yr bull run. What are the chances now? And if "very low", then what's different this time?

    2. If we end up going into the "Ka-Poom" scenario, walk us through what the path to hyperinflation looks like. How many stages and low long (roughly) from deflation to hyperinflation? For people holding cash, what signals should they look for to determine when they should purchase real tangible assets with that cash before losing the value of those dollars to hyperinflation?

    The Ka-POOM Survival Guide article illustrates this scenario but makes it seem like we go from deflation to Zimbabwe and leaves me wanting for more detail on the stages of how inflation plays out and, more importantly, what are the points of no return in terms of preserving your financial assets.

    Thank you!

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  • Sun, Apr 12, 2020 - 11:53pm

    Broadspectrum

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    Glyphosate Original Intended Use

    Hi Kunga,

    If I recall correctly (didn't google this) glyphosate's original use was as an industrial pipe cleaner of corrosion metals and wherever it leaked out of pipes the plants died around the area of the leak...regardless, it is another example of how an original usage intent of a product gets abandoned after it has been used out in the field of operation and a better usage is accidentally discovered.  Many drugs intended for treating a certain human ailment end up being used to treat a totally different ailment after being rolled out to the public when it is found out that the drug does something totally different then intended.  Surprise, surprise surprise!  Ha ha

    Broadspectrum

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  • Mon, Apr 13, 2020 - 7:29am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Vandana Shiva

    https://www.deccanherald.com/specials/sunday-spotlight/a-virus-humanity-and-the-earth-821527.html?fbclid=IwAR1UoqxYJ4YGI20SU9uvmS0Hs7xEHPdNm3p3uoxI36K6HgdXLJXCtHjKGwU

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  • Wed, Apr 29, 2020 - 8:24am

    Justin_McSharry

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    Inflation vs deflation

    Update to my question above - I came across this article (which is the most in-depth analysis of the deflation v inflation argument I've seen yet) that says money velocity is an important variable and it is now relatively low meaning deflation may win out - https://seekingalpha.com/article/4340323-inflation-vs-deflation-tug-of-war

    The article makes a good case for deflation as the ultimate outcome of our current scenario and I'd love your and your expert network's thoughts on this.

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