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    The W.H.O. (Finally!) Declares Coronavirus A “Pandemic”

    Sure took them long enough...
    by Adam Taggart

    Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 5:52 PM

In the spirit of letting the horse run out, catch an Uber to the airport, then hop a trans-Atlantic flight, *before* closing the barn door, WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom finally admitted today that the coronavirus outbreak should now be officially recognized as a “pandemic”.

He now urges all countries of the world to activate and scale up emergency systems, communicate with the public on how to stay safe, and test & treat everyone at risk.

Ya think???

Peak Prosperity has been advocating for those same steps since Chris’ first video on covid-19 on Jan 24th. That’s 47 *critical* days ago.

Tedros, the WHO, the CDC, and many other government/health organizations have endangered the public welfare by downplaying the seriousness of the coronavirus outbreak and delaying critical action.

Our actions here at Peak Prosperity have been intended to present the data and facts as we best know them at any given moment, so that people can take informed action. Our warnings were designed to get as many people prepared in advance, so that they would be and *not* have to panic if the pandemic indeed continued its spread.

Ironically, it’s the media and organizations like the WHO, who initially derided our daily updates as fear-mongering quackery, who are now stoking fear and panic with their sudden desperate scramble.

As we find ourselves repeating a lot these days: it didn’t have to be this way…

This is why educating yourself via sites like Peak Prosperity and taking prudent action when the facts call for it is so important.

Those of us not already self-quarantining all need to use the scant time we have left to get our preparations fully in place.

The coronavirus preparation megathreads available for free on PeakProsperity.com are a great resource for those still preparing:

  1. Coronavirus: Sanitation, PPE and Self Quarantine Megathread
  2. Coronavirus: Medicinals, Herbals and Supplements Megathread
  3. Coronavirus: Home Prep, Deep Pantry & Gardening Megathread

If you’re one of the many new readers here on Peak Prosperity, be sure you’re up-to-date on developments with the coronavirus. All of our latest covid-19 video updates, podcasts and articles can be accessed here for free.

And here’s a brief list of the more recent material that Chris and I have published for our premium subscribers, to give you a sense of what’s behind the paywall (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access)

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 6:03pm

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    louisdoran

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    Posted this under Chris video on youtube but thought i would repost here. Can't make this up, it's beyond anything I could have ever imagined.

    Louis Doran
    HELP. SOS. PLEASE HELP. If there is anybody from the province of Quebec, Canada or from Canada or that know Canadians, reading this, please help. Our authorities have yet to understand anything regarding the urgency and severity of the crisis staring us in the face. I have been trying for 4 weeks now , since Feb 10., to warn my superiors and whole hierarchy of the danger and the seriousness of our predicament. Since that went nowhere, i then tried the local media. To no avail. Yesterday, since I work in the Quebec parliament, i tried to talk to one of the MPP or MNA as we call them here and again that wen nowhere. I again went to the parliamentary press to give documents concerning the Covid-19 epidemic and my story to journalists whom i had deemed trustworthy but again nothing came of it. The work of Chris Martenson, Ken Stanfield, Liz Specht , were all referenced in those documents. I have been following Chris's work for years. Since 2009 at least. Yesterday, i was taken to the hospital by ambulance since i had many of the designated symptoms of Covid-19 infection. Working in parliament as a tour guide, i have been in close contact visitors from all over the world including China, South Korea, Italy, France, UK, Germany, US and the least goes on for the since day one of this epidemic as Canada as never thought it was a good idea to stop plane loads of tourists arriving from this countries to simply walk in to the country. At most, a self-declaration of symptoms was advised. Not even mandatory. Just advised. Anyhow, yesterday evening, after running all the tests to find something else to explain my condition and finding nothing, ER doctors finally conceded to test for Covid-19. I was sent back home in the middle of the night to await the results. Those can be up to 48 hrs to obtain. As of this writing, I am feeling my condition worsening. It is nos a brutal decline but a steady decline that as occurred over the last 3 days. My breath is getting shallower and shallower. I had lightheadedness, i now have my head spinning and ever more trouble concentrating. And although i still don't cough much it is nonetheless increasing slowly but surely. I just might have to head back to the ER tonight. What do I want from you folks, To stir the pot. To make some noise. To relay this message to friends and family especially if they live in Quebec. I assume, if you are on Chris's youtube channel, it is because you are well aware and understand what is going on, what is the seriousness of our predicament. How we are all in this together as a single humanity and how save for a few exceptions, our various public health authorities have consistently been way behind the curve on this, not to say criminally negligent. Unfortunately, from my own experince up to now, Quebec just might win the prize for the lamest response of them all. Please HELP. My name is Louis Doran. I live in Quebec city, Canada. Good luck to all. I'll see you some day when you visit our parliament. God be with you all. You can of course find me on faceb..k.

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    Louis Doran
    Yup, that was province Quebec being portrayed there in the video. The last line really says it all. ''Health officials say the risk of transmission of the disease in the community remains low''. I spend all yesterday afternoon stuck in an meeting which these fools (well to of them at least from the Quebec area local office) , trying to convince them of the severity of our predicament. But of course, THEY being the experts in public health, they shot the messenger plenty, but never cared to look at the message. The hard scientific data. Hence, wee, nothing came out of it. Oh, and the whole reason for the meeting to start with. My refusal to carry out my normal duties unless my employer, the government of Quebec, through its parliament, supply me and my colleagues with such expensive protective measures as..........you got it, alcohol based hand sanitizer. It's been an epic 4 week battle already. Some distributors were finally installed last Thursday. But not in the area where my colleagues and I work, but in the offices where our bosses hang out. An area where the general public does not have access. As for us, front line soldiers, diddly squat. Yup, got that right!!!! I now realize that even I was careless and complacent. Yet, in a organization that is 750 people strong, I am the ONLY alarm bell ringer. And have been since Feb. 10th. And I am at the lowest rung of the hierarchy. Just above the janitors basically. Perhaps, that is why I never managed to catch any of the higher up's attention and have been ridiculed for the last month. Well, we will see who laughs last now won't we. If I survive this thing of course. God bless.

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 6:20pm

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    nordicjack

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    are we isolation yet? assume nothing safe?

    should we still consider buying food at stores, even with deep pantry, or are we in lockdown.  is that bad yet? i am thinking doing essential shopping with ppe still

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 6:25pm

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    dtrammel

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    Megathreads Back Up For View Online

    For those of you just stopping by, we have compiled the information in the Peak Prosperity videos and blog posts that Chris Martensen has done, beginning 1/23/2020 when he first alerted us here of the threat. He mentions them in the information on this video but due to unforeseen circumstances, those links only cover 1/2 to 2/23.

    We've broken them down into three broad categories

    • Sanitation, Personal Protective Equipment and Self Quarantine Information
    • Medicinal, Herbals and Vitamin Supplements
    • Home Preparation, Deep Pantry and Gardening

    This does not include all of the information in the comment threads but does cover the most important self help subjects.

    Those links mentioned only go to 2/23/2020. Due to the very fluid situation we've had problems keeping them updated, but we have put them online, updated to 3/3/2020 so you can read and search them here:

    Peak Prosperity Covid19 Library of Files

    They are list chonologically by video but more files sorted by subject will be going up soon. Use your browser's "Find" tool to search for key words and subjects of interest.

    Feel free to add comments with useful info please.

    You can also get the files sent to you but clicking the PM link in this post, and asking me to send them to you. If you would like them emailed to you, include your email address in your PM.

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 6:48pm

    dtrammel

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    Depends On Your Local Situation

    Should we still consider buying food at stores, even with deep pantry, or are we in lockdown.  is that bad yet? i am thinking doing essential shopping with ppe still.

    Nordicjack, I think it depends on a couple of factors.

    First, what risk category are you in? I myself am 62, relatively healthy, though 20 pounds overweight with no conditions like heart disease or diabetes which would increase my risk of dying from this illness. Call it perhaps a 10% worse case.

    Second, St Louis in Missouri presently doesn't have many cases, all of them are travel related. Though one such case, decided to break self quarantine and go to his daughter's school activity. That means its almost certainly out into the public but we don't have a case of community spread.

    I don't assess my risk of getting this illness if I am at "Level 2".

    Level 1 being no PPE, Level 2 being social distancing and lots of hand wipes on surfaces, but no mask yet. At Level 3 I'm going to gloves and limited trips out.

    As it is, I've cut almost all of my casual trips out, and only doing essential shopping. Even then its usually at around 9pm, just before the grocery store closes.

    I'd say I'm at about 3 months of food in my home. Right now I'm putting away some stuff at my sister's house as an alternative. Probably a month there. I'm going to take the rest of the week to bring her up to 3 months, then next week do another pause to organize and review, depending on the local situation with infected cases.

    So it comes down to how big of a risk is going out in your location?

    ---

    ADDED: Paul Helinski in this forum post

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/please-ignore-chriss-advice-with-food/

    Makes the case that suggestions that you buy what you eat for your deep pantry are missing the point and that what you should be giving priority is getting the most calories for the dollar in the foods you buy.

    I can see his point. For someone of limited means, yes you want to get as many supplies and extend your deep pantry as far as possible, and that means making choices that are as economical as possible.

    I've also been a naive prepper who had a very old 5 gallon container of rice and of beans I didn't eat.

    To me a deep pantry isn't like some vault of gold you close the door on and hoard, but simply a resource that is much bigger than your normal pantry. Instead of a weeks worth of food, you have 12 weeks or more. That means you rotate thru the resource to make sure nothing goes stale, rancid or to waste. You can't do that with food you wouldn't normally eat, fantasies of hard core preppers in their bunker bug out locations aside.

    I think there is a middle of the road approach, where you go for the best value you can, and yet still buy the foods you eat and have a measure of comfort foods and treats.

    Its going to be hard enough to self quarantine for weeks with little or no outside contact, without being miserable at meal time.

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 6:52pm

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    Barbara

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    Well, Trump will save us -- NOT

    No flights from Europe - but not for a couple of days?  But not from the UK where "Health minister and Conservative MP Nadine Dorries has been diagnosed with coronavirus."
    All our new cases here (WI) are people who traveled from US hot spots - no help there and our college students are all going to spring break party spots on Fri.
    Maybe economic aid for the top 10% (loans, less tax), but nothing that will help hourly service workers or small service businesses.

    Not that I think the Democrats would do any better.  We're in trouble.

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 6:57pm

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    sacredpig01

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    the Australian prime minister on coronavirus preperation

     

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 7:01pm

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    louisdoran

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    Take it upon ourselves?????

    I agree Chris. I so agree. But unfortunately, i have to report that it is useless. Just fuckin' completely useless. As I wrote in my earlier comment, I have been on a mission since Feb. 10 th. trying to raise awareness amongst my colleagues, family, neighbors. I've been laughed at, politely dismissed, ridiculed,  etc.Of the hundreds of people, i have tried to warn to no avail, i'd be surprised if one or two heeded my advice which is basically to lok at the science. Look at the numbers. And of referencing your work for them to do so. I have tried to go to the press. Even elected reps since I work in parliament. All to no avail whatsoever. All that has happened is that I have more and more questionned my sanity of mind. I truly feel like in a movie or I must be dreaming and I will eventually wake up from this nightmare. For the rest, I'm sorry but I am down to Darwin tonight. The dumbest part of the human specie, which in Quebec seems to be a hell of a lot of people will die and that will strengthen the specie. It's evolution. That's it. There is nothing to do.  There is absolutely nothing to do until the shit hits the fan and people emerge from their zombie-like mindless  sheep state of mind. Because, up until now, they still trust the authorities and the authorities aare saying everything is A OK.  Remember the Milgram experiment. Remember the power of the white coat. Because the experimenter wears a whitecoat he must know what he is doing and if he  orders to send a a life-threathening voltage of electricity to a human guinea pig, mot people just went ahead and did it. That is what we are dealing with here. People have been brainwashed to mindlessly obey "authorities'' to a degree I never imagined was possible. That is now an established fact for me. Case in point. I just got off the phone ( i hung up actually cause I just couldn't take it anymore) with my sister. She has been figthing a form of leukemia for a couple of years. She is thus amongst the most at risk with this thing. She has 3 kids, two of which are barely teenagers. Well, what does she answer when I invite her to check out your website? How do you know you can trust this guy? Me, i don't (well i do now because I have been following your work for years and you have never let me down). I don't trust anybody. I take a look at the facts that are presented. And if those facts and the conclusions derived from them are logical, and respect the basic laws of physics, of math, etc. I make them mind. But I think. I analyse. I never gobble up hook, line and weight. Never.  So don't look at the messenger. Look at the message.  And her to answer: ''Well, I follow this guy that says not to worry because viruses are just part of nature, their part of life, they have always been there and always will be so it's useless to worry.'' That's when I hung up.  Good luck sis'.

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 7:15pm

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    Lucy_Grace42

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    Lucy_Grace42 said:

    I'm out in CO, USA. Our governor declared a state of emergency relatively early and universities in the state are now moving to an online format. Could have been better, could have been earlier. But big, and awesome move to hopefully reduce spread. Fingers crossed others pick up and follow suit. And here's hoping  that others get similarly creative.

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 8:09pm

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    dtrammel

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    NBA Suspends This Season

    Sports fans are rioting as we speak

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/nba-season-suspended-coronavirus

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 8:30pm

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    dtrammel

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    Dollar Stores and Business Suppliers

    Its the time to get creative with looking for supplies. Two sources not to over look, Dollar stores and business supply stores.

    Dollar stores surprisingly here locally still have a good supply of stuff. Its all second rate stuff and things you wouldn't normally buy but much of it is still good resources. I filled out a first aid kit with bandages and other stuff very cheaply. Dollar bottles of bleach and packs of hand wipes were still available today.

    And don't ignore the next tier up suppliers who sell to retail businesses. My nearby restaurant supply store still has cases of gloves, nitrate and latex, as well as cleaning supplies. They sell to the public and are often $1-2 less than retail.

    Might be time to consider using your credit card too supplement your cash supply. They can't sue a dead person.

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 9:00pm

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    LesPhelps

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    Trumps Speech

    As a rule, I never watch politician’s speeches, but thought I should watch Trumps address tonight.  It was truly painful to watch. I only made it about 5 minutes. It wasn’t just the content, although that was truly bad. He seemed out of breath. I know he was exposed and, so far, has refused testing. I wonder if he’ll wind up being a super spreader?

    My wife and I are about 10 days into isolation. We hike alone in the desert, go to the grocery store for fresh produce, when we must, showering afterward and otherwise #StayTheFHome.

    Louis, our friends will not alter their behavior either. We remain honest with them about our reasons for isolating and provide them with links to good information sources. The rest is up to them.

    Thanks again Chris and Adam, for the early warning. Honorable mention to David Trammel.

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 9:09pm

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    Hladini

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    Tips for new comers and much gratitude to Chris

    Hello Everyone,   I highly recommend all the folks new to this site and to Chris' daily Corona Virus updates to go back and watch them all from the beginning.  These updates build on previously established info/data.  Also read the comments sections - not just on this site.  I have acquired really good info/intel from the comments sections, you just have to filter.

    As for Chris, my heart felt thanks.  My first exposure to you was the first version of the Crash Course.  I had already gone down the proverbial "rabbit-hole" in 2008, but finding your Crash Course, then The Transition Handbook and then The Hidden Secrets of Money literally changed the course of my life.  The "rabbit-hole" was a dark and lonely place until the trilogy happened.  Then I got busy.

    I'm not surprised by the quality of your coverage of the virus.  Super excellent!  You have been a trusted source of news for me since 2011, and I took your warnings seriously.  Fortunately for me, my guy listens to me and has voluntarily self quarantined.  I don't have that luxury.  Thanks to your early and prescient warnings,  I feel secure with my preparations for the virus, possible quarantine, and personal protection protocols.  I'm gently pressuring my adult children to stock up on essential items and at least two have taken my heed.  Your matter-of-fact approach, cool head, and clear synthesis of data will save a lot of lives.

    I'm especially grateful because I've been preparing since 2011: (7) peach trees, (3) pomegranites, (3) apple trees, (2) persimmons, (4) pear trees, (8) loquat trees, (3) pecan trees, (3) blackberry bushes, and lot's of banana trees - they reproduce like gang busters - so do the loquats.  We've harvested from all but the persimmons and blackberries.  I also started a growing operation and hand farmed from 1/2 to 1 acre for five years.  I took my produce to market once a week.  It was hard work, I ain't no spring chicken.  I never made a profit, but I learned how to grow food and I installed infrastructure.  I also learned how to can, dehydrate, and preserve seeds.  I use heirloom seeds.

    I also turned my home into somewhat of a boarding house.  I rent out three rooms in the house and have 3 RV's renting on the property.  We have a little community with like minded people.  Additionally diversified by converting a mother in law suite into an airbnb. (That may have to go back to long term in the near term).

    I started the farming operation for many reasons, but one was for further diversification of income and a cash flow as my law office suffered five years of consecutive decline beginning in 2008.  After a dead cat bounce in 2013, the office bottomed out in 2014.  By the time 2014 rolled around, I was much more informed, educated and aware of relevant current events and was determined to never be caught unawares again.  Also diversified the law office income and offer self help legal services where I help people represent themselves in court, and I recently became a Florida Supreme Court Certified Circuit Civil Mediator in addition to my Family mediation certification.  Diversify, diversify, diversify.

    And have been saving a modest amount in other than fiat currency over time.

    I am one of the horrible statistics of this mega credit cycle, but I've built in some resilience, thanks to the Crash Course and this site.

     

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 10:11pm

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    kiwi28

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    Tom Hanks confirmed

    Tom Hanks has it now - I wonder if that might make some people take notice? 😂

    Also just saw this https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487110-tests-indicate-coronavirus-can-survive-in-the-air%3famp

    Maybe they might finally stop giving advice to the contrary?

     

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 10:44pm

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    Mrswede

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    Thanks for this

    Sincerely appreciate today’s March 11th video, Chris.  One of your best.

    My immediate family is quite religious and have steadfastly contended that “The Lord will protect me” any time I try to talk to them about prepping for this oncoming wave.

    I am reminded of that old cartoon where the drowning man turns away the rescue boat and ends up in heaven, very upset.

    You sir, are the man in the boat.

    But it seems that this situation may finally be getting to you, and that’s OK.  But PLEASE keep up your good work.

    And I hope to ski with you soon.  Or maybe, on second thought, we should just -

    Stay TF Home!

    See you on the other side.

    And good luck to you all.

     

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 11:05pm

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    jas68

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    CANADIAN STATS - fact checks

    More great info. I've been watching Chris' daily posts since he first appeared on MacroVoices back in January.  I watched today's vid and saw that total test for COVID19 for Canada was 642 and thought immediately that something is missing since I know in BC (where I live) it has been over 2000 as of March 4. So I did some digging and came up with the following stats with sources:

    Alberta                 pop 4.37mil         tests:  2619         https://www.alberta.ca/coronavirus-info-for-albertans.aspx#p22780s3

    BC (Mar 6)           pop 5.07mil         tests: 2803           http://www.bccdc.ca/about/news-stories/stories/2020/information-on-novel-coronavirus

    Ontario                 pop 14.5mil         tests: 3395          https://www.ontario.ca/page/2019-novel-coronavirus

    Quebec                pop 8.40mil         tests: 578 https://msss.gouv.qc.ca/professionnels/maladies-infectieuses/coronavirus-2019-ncov/#situation-au-quebec

    The above are the four most populous Provinces in Canada making up over 32 of the 37.5 million Canadians.  In the stat you showed from the National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) there is a note  "This number does not reflect the total number of reported cases in Canada, as some provinces perform diagnostic testing within their jurisdiction."  which would not include the above mention Provinces since they have their own testing it seems.  The remaining 6 Provinces and 3 Territories (none of which has a population much over 1.3 million) would most likely use the NML for testing.  Here's what I could find in that regard:

    Manitoba                            pop 1.3mil           tests: 92 (by NML) https://www.gov.mb.ca/health/coronavirus/

    Saskatchewan                   pop 1.16mil         tests: 216 (by NML) https://www.saskatchewan.ca/government/health-care-administration-and-provider-resources/treatment-procedures-and-guidelines/emerging-public-health-issues/2019-novel-coronavirus

    Nova Scotia                        pop 965k              tests: 47 (by NML?) https://novascotia.ca/coronavirus/

    New Brunswick                 pop 770k              tests: 12 (by NML) https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/departments/ocmoh/cdc/content/respiratory_diseases/coronavirus.html

    Newfoundland                 pop 523k              tests: 44 (by NML?) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/tom-davis-covid-19-cruise-italy-1.5493667

    That’s all I could find currently.  Information is less available in the lower populated areas such as the territories (Yukon, NWT, Nunavut) but they definitely would run any testing through the NML due to a very low population (120k for all three combined).

    Therefore, the Canadian COVID19 testing total is around 9800 currently.  Obviously there will be some discrepancies in the numbers as there are several jurisdictions reporting at different times e.g. BC seems to be reporting on a weekly basis and are promising new stats on Friday.   So 9800 is better than 642, but is it good enough?

    Not here to toot our horn, just here to report the facts as best one can.  We here in Canada, as much of the world does, need to do better to mitigate this pandemic as well.

    Thanks for your time,

    jas68

     

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 11:22pm

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    nordicjack

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    dt - my risk category

    I am 55 with recent history of recurrent pneumothorax,   likely due to old car accident injury.   Also,  with a central sleep apnea but think that again is related to possible lung injury.  I also have hereditary endocrine disease. likely MEN2.. hard to get official diagnosis but have consistent genetic tests, and symptomology. with 30 year history of misdiagnosed parathyroid disease leading to severe neuro damage (peripheral neurapthy , vertigo and other dizziness , balance , cognitive impairment etc. ) Along with cardiac issues due to hypercalcemia and hypophosphatemia..  that was dismissed for a long time. (30 years as depression )  So , yeah , I have been super careful to not get the flu.. but i work from home ( again because of health) ..  So,  that is where I am - not freaking.. But  I would not consider myself in the top 50-75% of the population in health.. So.. that makes me wonder..

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 11:25pm

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    Beth McCall

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    My family will not change one single thing in their lives.

    Two elderly, retired family members will not change one single thing about their life.

    I say they are putting both me and themselves at risk.  They say if it is their time to go, it's their time to go.  All the appointments and engagements outside the house still stand:  dog grooming, haircuts, nail appts, indoor performances and plays, card games, dice games, dining out, parties with the neighbors.  Workers, housekeepers, neighbors, friends still coming through the house.

    I have been gently trying to inform, tidbit by tidbit, and make small changes, one at a time, since Jan 23.  Yup!  That long.  The media is FINALLY helping me.  Tom Hanks, NBA games, cruises, warnings for over 60's.  They still say they will not cancel anything unless the government tells them to.

    In another state, bro, SIL, and two adult children are still planning on their spring break cruise.  One is an EMT.

    Personally, I cancelled a domestic flight on Feb 1, at great cost, and great interpersonal disruption.  Cancelled a very important in-home client at great personal disruption, and limited the rest of my life to quite prudently.  And spent every penny I have, and more that I don't have, stocking up for me and these elders.

    I. Am. Frustrated.

    And not sure when to start hiding in my bedroom with the vents taped, LOL.

    How many families will this destroy?  How many divorces will this cause?

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 11:28pm

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    nordicjack and risk

    Well, speaking for myself, I have less health issues going on and I am no longer going out.  I called it last week. I am in CA, USA.  If  I have to go out, it will be in mask and gloves and not to anywhere around people ( ie., I may have to go the the feed store to get hay eventually, I DO have to get some lumber.  But lumber yard with mask on, doesnt seem too risky )

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 11:28pm

    Beth McCall

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    Beth McCall said:

    Yes, this was one of the best broadcasts.  I think Feb 25 is now second best.

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 11:50pm

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    Desogames

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    Still tryin to get tested; my treatement

    Since according to the data, i should be non-infective now (more then 14 days since the first symptom), i'm trying to get tested again. At the very least i want a CT scan because i'm sure i've taken damage... my chest does not feel as well as it did before the whole ordeal. But i doubt the test, if ever, will come in time. You have no idea how unwieldy Dutch bureaucracy is.

    Since i was already stuck at home with no help (because i tried and i got threatened with the police) i had to work with whatever i had, as i'm sure many of the people here on this site will be faced with eventually. Which includes no extra oxygen. So just to summarize my treatment and what i did to stay alive:

    -Everything got worse when i did nothing. Smoking did *not* change the frequency or severity of the symptoms, at least for me. I did cut down on smoking to half measures, but only because my body said "enough" after half a joint. If you're on nicotine, i'd say keep smoking just enough to not go into withdrawal. Withdrawal would be worse then smoking at a minimum pace because your body can't handle multiple black swans at the same time.
    -After i progressed into severe and had real difficulty breathing, i started taking 2 ibuprofen when waking up, then 1 every 8 hours to keep a high dose. This 100% made me feel better, though it alone wasn't enough. I also took 2-4 paracetamol a day against the headaches and muscle pains as well as 1 multivitamin and a bunch of vitamin C a day. I know the Ibuprofen is effective. The rest is more or less guesswork that couldn't hurt.
    -Most of the stuff i did was symptom treatment. With chills i put on a robe, with a fever i took off a sweater. Listening to your body works best here.

    But the most important thing i did was keep my heart going. If you start to feel tingling in your fingers, and that tingling is moving down your fingertips into your palms and you start to reeallly have difficulty breathing, it's not your lungs, it's your heart. This only counts for cases which go Severe, so for 80% of you, this'll never happen. I had a pulse ox meter on my finger when it happened, and while it could baaaarely detect a pulse in my right hand and no strong enough pulse to measure in my left, it said my blood ox was just fine at 99% on my right.

    It's not your lungs, it's your heart's inability to transport oxygen to places where you need it, your extremities, so your body *thinks* you're running low on air, but you're not. That's why the extra oxygen isn't stopping anybody from progressing into critical. Sure some will need it because their lung damage is extensive; i'm not saying don't hook em up to oxygen. I'm saying the oxygen alone isn't doing anything special other then what oxygen normally does.

    What kept me alive is moving. Instead of lying down and taking it easy, i ran to get a pulse ox meter to record the effects (because i'ma sue the hell out of some people over this, i knew they wouldn't believe me) and when it got too bad and i called 911, i ignored their incessant demanding that i'd calm down and i just got angrier.

    Remember how in movies when somebody goes into cardiac arrest, they can't bring him back immediately and then they just stab the patient with Adrenaline? You make that stuff yourself too! Whenever i let out a burst of anger, the symptoms went away for a little while or the worst of it got reset allowing me to move again.

    Ever since the first attack, whenever i felt the tingling in my fingertips start to move down my fingers, i immediately went to youtube, put on a 1 hour dance mix (russian hardbass in my case, has about the right BPM with heavy bass. It needs to be pretty fast, but not too fast) and started bouncing up and down in my chair and moving my arms. So Dancing. Really give the old chest/back/shoulder/arm muscles a workout. Legs are optional cause Dizzyness/confusion might be a problem at the same time; you start jumping you will hurt yourself. So stay seated and stay active.

    Within 5 minutes of doing so the tingling would recede back into just my fingers, the bounce between fingers and palms. I also noticed if i had shortness of breath at the same time, after dancing a while, breathing became easier. Not harder or faster as you might expect, but it cleared up. If at any point i stopped dancing to analyze what would happen if i stopped dancing (AKA am i just imagining this like everybody says or is there something wrong?) the tingling immediately resumed it's course up my hands/arms again and breathing got more difficult, with it only going away again with more severe dancing (extra exertion).

    All of it might sound silly now, but pretty soon there's going to be people who literally cannot get care because the system is overwhelmed, and at that point, i'll bet one of em is crazy enough to try seated dancing as a treatment. For that time i want this info out there.

    Below i'll post 2 things i've posted before. Now that some time is past and even tom hanks reports intermittent symptoms with light fevers, maybe it'll get a few more people believing it actually happened. First i'll post my full list of symptoms that i found and how i treated them:
    list of symptoms

    As well as my first video that shows my core temperature going up, because i felt a hot flash coming on, and once again - decided to record it because i knew nobody would believe me if i didn't. And please; don't try and argue that measuring the back of my throat with an infrared thermometer "isn't accurate". If my body *doesn't produce* 38,5C of heat, i *can never measure* 38,5C of heat. You have any more questions you can take it up with the youtuber thunderf00t who's affiliate link i used to purchase said thermometer. If he says it's accurate, it's accurate. And if it's not WHY ARE AIRPORTS ALL OVER THE WORLD USING THEM THEN HUH. Not to mention they measure foreheads which is completely stupid because if i go outside for a smoke and come back inside my forehead's 30c and i should be dead.
    Intermittent Fever

    It's that recording that convinced me to try movement. Because, not only does the fever recede quickly after a quick dance, but the fever only shows in full force if i stay perfectly still.

    Finally i have to say; i might not have had Covid but something else. I could never get tested and am still trying to. Not because i'm going to sue people, which i am, but because if i did have it, i found a way to keep myself alive and i could possibly donate blood to those who can't move anymore and keep them alive as well. I'm just looking to save some lives here; those i still can. Plenty will already die because the authorities cited policy, and no other reason then that. Even if i don't have it. Plenty who do/did will never have gotten tested for the same reasons that i couldn't get tested (not having been abroad).

    So i'm putting all this info out there *yet again*. Even though i might need to come back later with my tail between my legs and go "Hey guess what! it was all just cancer, nothing to worry about!". Only because when shit really hits the fan, and everything becomes an option... i hope it helps. I really, truly, just hope it helps. One case does not a cure make. But maybe a couple do.

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  • Wed, Mar 11, 2020 - 11:54pm

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    Desogames

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    I'll also post this again

    For those who need some comic relief about how the WHO and authority is acting. Cause it's nothing new under the sun

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:14am

    nordicjack

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    Mntnhouse, I am pretty much in isolation

    I am prepped. but nowhere near where I hoped considering i did most of a month back.  I am used to isolating , really careful around flu season because our medical community are idiots. so I do not rely on them for anything.

    Never the less, I am pretty much locked up.. quarantine all foods coming in the home for years during flu season.  still doing it - just more of it.   I said after last week it was my last week out without PPE. And it was mostly just necessary shopping. I do need to go to the post office almost daily because of work - its my biggest risk.. But i expect that to end soon.    I try to shop off hours.. But its hard now to avoid people shopping.. and they all seem sick  = lots of coughing last week when i was out.. None previously.  I was at home depot to pick up one fitting.. and started for the register and just then the person in the isle hacking and coughing.  just as i came by.. i did a 180 and went back up and down another isle.   Youd think you;d be  ok just running in for a fitting and getting out..  Nope.. not any longer.  So. I am going with plastic overalls and eyewhere and halfmask.. , dont care what the rest of the world thinks..  game on.    I do have enough food to last a year.. but that is beans and rice stuff.  most of the good stuff will be gone in 3- 4 mos.    , I need to reload , a bit here and there. I expect things to get much worse about 1 year out.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:22am

    nordicjack

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    Beth , if you have family living with you not on page..

    If you family is not on page , and is not going to change anything.. you are pretty much doomed.  You will get this.  Not sure what that will mean.. if anything in the long run - there is going to be a lot economic fall out.. so id still prep and plan.     But plan on being sick too.   Get meds stocked. etc.  fluids. etc.

    As for elderly.  I am getting there, if not for a small child of mine,  Id say f this.. and take a lawn chair and beer and watch the end of the world from front and center.   So, the attitude is not an attitude that is normal  or just a personality.. its a , I lived life.. I have nothing to lose.  raised a family,  I did everything I want. and i will continue to do it.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:32am

    trackingtruth

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    Groceries? What it looks like from INSIDE thebgrocery industry.

    I am employed by a grocery chain and based in the Pacific Northwest - in the center of the first US cluster. We are in crisis mode. At this point, most of our in-store workforce is young and healthy. We, currently, have no more than the typical, incidental, callouts. But, even now,  stores are unable to cope with the increased demand. Think of the consequences of school and business closures. People eat outside the home less. But they still need to eat as much. So grocery stores are seeing increased demand in affected areas. This means we order more every day. But then regional distribution centers become unable to meet the demands of the stores. So orders are not filled. Stores are cut short. Shelves start to empty as demand exceeds supply at each store. NOW, add in the fact that a percentage of the workforce becomes sick and is unable to move the limited supply of incoming load to the shelves. Shelves become emptier. Bottom line. Now would be an excellent time to deepen the pantry.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 1:13am

    jade8568

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    One word: OZONE!

    If you are really that worried about your home becoming infected, you should definitely go on Ebay or amazon and order an Ozonator. PLEASE  Do some research on ozone..and ozone therapy!! I've been trying so hard to educate who ever will actually listen!! If u dont believe ME.. I totally get it.. but please go and check out Dr Robert Rowan's youtube channel!! I've been watching him for years now. He is the one who went to Africa during the ebola outbreak, and CURED (not just "treated") actually CURED EBOLA in every patient after 1 Treatment! But of course since the Gov't cant capitalize on ozone, they wont recognize it...they'd rather you die! Once the African govt got word of dr rowan HEALING people, they ran him out of the country...threatened to KILL him if he didnt gtfo asap! Nice huh?! Anyway, get an ozonator an run it for an hour or so every day that they are gone... your home will be 100% virus free!! And if you do get sick, google an integrative dr who does ozone therapy in your area.  Chances are, that dr was taught by dr Rowan!!! Good luck👍😁

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 1:31am

    jade8568

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    Ozonate your home!

    Seriously!! Research Ozone or home ozonator!! It will kill any virus out there! Just run it for about an hour when no one is home, and your house will pretty much be sterilized! If you wanna really learn about ozone check out Dr Robert Rowan on YouTube!! He actually used ozone therapy to cure ebola..shingles..cancer.. and just about every other deadly disease & virus that's been presented to him! 😊👍

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 1:53am

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    pat the rat

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    estate

    Be careful with credit cards , the banks will sue your estate, if you don't have the spend away.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 1:56am

    Nairobi

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    Really Jane? Do you know ozone treatments are OK

    Well, I can certainly appreciate enthusiasm when I see it Jane, but after just a few cursory searches on the subject I started coming up with alarm bells discrediting the legitimacy of medical usages of ozone and warning of the dangers. For example it can cause edema when breathed into the lungs meaning your lungs fill with fluid. So I am not convinced its a very good idea in the fight against Covid infections. Maybe you can direct me to something else besides Dr Rowans site that does not come across like a miracle cure hard-sell.

    -----------------------------------------

    From Wiki (if you still trust that site)

    "Ozone therapy is a pseudoscience treatment that increases the amount of oxygen in the body through the introduction of ozone. In April 2016, the FDA prohibited all medical uses of ozone, "In any medical condition for which there is no proof of safety and effectiveness", stating "Ozone is a toxic gas with no known useful medical application in specific, adjunctive, or preventive therapy. In order for ozone to be effective as a germicide, it must be present in a concentration far greater than that which can be safely tolerated by man and animals." An overview of the history and practice of ozone therapy was published in the "Journal of Natural Science, Biology and Medicine" in 2011"

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 2:51am

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    Afridev

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    Cleaning & disinfection of filters for mask

    Looks like I'll have to start shaving again soon...

    I assume that this has been covered already, but just in case, instructions on cleaning/ disinfection of filters for the Sundström facemask: https://www.srsafety.com/support/articles/corona

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 3:17am

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    kunga

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    Tetanus Shot

    I am not for or against vaccination.  I use my judgement and know my own body.  I have never reacted badly to a vaccine. That being said, I do not get vaccines, like for yearly flu, because I have alternative remedies that work better.  One I do pay attention to is my every 10 year tetanus booster.  Those here, who may be mucking about in the dirt for a first time garden, may want to go down to the public health dept. and get a shot.  Another consideration is hepatitis A vaccination.  Especially if you get stuck in a jail or quarantine situation not of your choosing.  Good luck.  #staytfhome. 🐱🐱

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 3:51am

    #31

    pinecarr

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    The "honeybadger virus" catching on?

    Say WHAT?  I just heard a local radio personality comment on Tom Hanks and his wife testing positive for the coronavirus, saying "the coronavirus don't care, just like the honeybadger"!

    BTW, very sad to hear about Tom Hanks and his wife testing positive.  Here's to hoping they are among the 80% of mild cases.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 4:00am

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    pinecarr

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    NCAA tournament will be played without fans over coronavirus concerns

    I don't know if someone has already posted this, but I was very impressed with the courage of the NCAA to make this decision: NCAA tournament will be played without fans over coronavirus concerns

    “While I understand how disappointing this is for all fans of our sports, my decision is based on the current understanding of how COVID-19 is progressing in the United States,” NCAA President Mark Emmert said in a statement. He added “this decision is in the best interest of public health.”

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 4:12am

    Oliveoilguy

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    Ozone

    Ozone machines can be used only in spaces where no humans or animals are present and should be turned off for 1/2 hour minimum before entering space....Also ..can be detrimental to electronics.

    That said..we bought a machine to “treat” an airbnb cottage that we have between occupants.. Any thoughts are welcome.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 4:16am

    #34
    Desogames

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    Crypto is getting FUBARed

    And that is why we don't trade crypto kids. No circuit breakers, no barriers. Much like Oil. If it wants to drop 33% in a day it'll just frickin do it. No real world applications currently - it's all speculative. Even the future is speculative; as it's "expected" that eventually crypto currency replaces/augments normal currency. Yet; you can do nothing more with Crypto that you can't already do with normal fiat currency - except it costs a shitton of actual real world energy more. A bitcoin is as useless to you as a piece of paper. Otherwise; please make for me an Wedding band out of crypto currency. I mean i can always melt down my gold coins into a wedding band or two. Please somebody explain to me how we're going to get back the coal we've burned so far "mining" bitcoin? The network uses up as much energy as FREAKIN IRELAND!

    Gold and silver are down too, sure. -0,35% and -0,7% respectively. That's what panic selling/liquidation/margin calling does, everything that's liquid has to go.

    The worrying thing is that the dollar index is only up  +0,27% in all of this. The dollar market is large, but not *that* large. After all besides crypto the futures went limit down too, oil's down another -6,5%, most ETF's are absolutely getting taken out. To me it hints at massive amounts of dollar/value destruction happening right now. I mean if everybody is selling everything to get cash, cash should be up something serious... right?

    My gold though... Still up massively for the year. Silver's down somewhat from my last position too, sure, but by not nearly as much as i was expecting. The recent rally upto 560 euro a kilo's cushioned my losses quite nicely (since i took up position on december 8th. I'm down <1%) even though i bought it at that price expecting a 25% decline. It's only been 15-16% off highs a month ago so far.

    In the end - the proof is in the pudding. This entire market crash was crypto's first and most important real world test. If the market crashes, What does crypto do?

    Crypto goes down. Hard, fast, far. Bitcoin last hit 10,000 on the 23rd of february. 18 days later, today, it's down 38% (from 10k to 6,2k). Well beyond a correction, or bear market, straight into a goddamn crash.

    You wanna own it that's fine. I aint gonna judge after all time. I've seen people bet on crazier things then crypto, which again, the crypto process does have value, it's just the coins that roll out of it at the end that are worthless. But just know - it is now proven that Crypto, in it's current form, is not, nor will it ever be, a safe haven, or a currency.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 4:16am

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    kunga

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    Oregon / North Dakota

    Read in Eugene, Register Guard on line ed., four more corona cases on the westside of the state.  Two in a veterans old folks home.  All community spread.  I think that brings our state total to 19.       Sad to see relatively isolated North Dakota got its first case. Talked to friend there, yesterday, the snow is just melting, so probably more travel, now.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 4:23am

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    Desogames

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    Hawaii's out of Isopropyl Alcohol

    It's from a buddy of mine i met via streaming who lives in Hawaii. Appearantly Aloe vera gel's in low supply too.

    EDIT: What about buying vodka and then distilling it, raising it from 40% to about 65% alcohol?
    I mean alcohol boils at a higher temperature then water; so it shouldn't be impossible to collect and distill vodka into sanitizer in a pinch with some form of kitchen setup. I'd build a simple setup myself but i have no experience in distilling alcohol (i'm sure somebody around here does). It doesn't have to be safe to drink either so that lowers the quality/safety standards (also why would you if you already have vodka)....

    editedit: Alright you guys aren't going to like this but i just remembered something. The people in my city have a nickname of "kuikenzeikers" or "jarpissers" freely translated. The reason for this is that there used to be a lot of textile industry here. And, in the old days when soap wasn't known about yet, they used to wash textiles in Urine. Because urine contained Ammonia.

    Now of course that process is lost on modern me. And the internet isn't helpful. There's talk of ammonium hydroxide (so water and ammonia) but all i'm getting is dozens of sites saying the same thing: "don't mix ammonia with bleach". Why thank you so much, how about when i don't have any bleach?

    Now that might sound silly but we produce plenty of Urine, at some point hospitals are going to run out of bleach, and urine *is sterile*. Sure, it might smell bad and yes, if you leave it somewhere out in the open it's a very good breeding ground for bacteria. But as long as bacteria can't get to it (aka it's... fresh) it might be better then nothing?

    I need somebody with some more chemistry experience to explain that to me.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 4:24am

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    schwedischdemokratischrepublik

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    Sweden, Sweden, Sweden

    Sweden might be doing it even more wrong than the rest.

    Some highlights include the head epidemologist at our CDC, Anders Tegnell, claiming that the risk for community spread here was low, while it was spreading like wildfire through Italy. and then just a couple of weeks later that changed to "high" instead. The same agency adviced against halting flights from high-risk countries and said closing schools was unneccessary because they, wrongly, claimed "children do not transmit the virus."

    Now Tegnell is critizing Spotify for telling employees to work from home because he thinks it is unequal because "not everyone can work from home." He sees that as a threat to public equality and thinks "everyone should have equal oppurtunity to stay healthy." Not seeming to understand the benefits of trying reducing the number of people exposed to the virus or maybe caring more about his left-wing ideals.

    He also sneezed right into his hands during a press conference...

    https://nyheteridag.se/tegnell-ojamlikt-att-spotifys-anstallda-far-jobba-hemma/

    The worst might be the most recent developement. The Swedish defence department produced many high-quality face masks for protection against biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. These masks are stockpiled in massive quantities and were offered to hospitals and emergency responders for protection against the Wuhan virus. You would think everyone would agree that is a good thing to do, but the Swedish agency for work place safety thinks otherwise and have BANNED the use of these masks because they are not approved for use by the EU; they lack CE-certification. The reason for that being that they were produced before CE-certification was introduced and thus cannot be certified because only currently produced products can be, according to the rules. So healthcare workers and emergency responders will go unprotected over a technicality, because of government agency bureaucrats.

    https://samnytt.se/arbetsmiljoverket-stoppar-msb-begaran-om-skyddsmask-for-polis-ambulans-och-raddningstjanst/

    No matter how bad other countries do, you can always count on socialist Swedish authorities to make them look good, and down-right competent, in comparison.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 4:43am

    #38
    ddelong

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    We are just a classic example of the bell curve/movie theater fire

    Most of us here perked up and noticed that something wasn't right at least 4- 6 weeks ago.  This didn't pass most of our "initial smell" test or was on our radar to keep an eye on.  Most of us started going about targeting specific preps, targeted information, and planting the seeds with those whom are close to us.

    We are the ones that notice the smoke in the movie theater before there is a fire, start moving out of the movie theater and encourage others to do so.  We have also passed the point that most people with a good level of intelligence and street sense have also noted the small fire and moved out of the theater.  We are now at that mid point where a good number of people have taken note of the fire and are panicking as they try and get out of the theater.  We still have the theater half full but some people are waiting until the initial mass exodus occurs before they leave since they don't want to get trampled but could get burned by the fire.  Then we have the people that are going to stay in that theater as long as possible because they paid good money for the movie, they refuse to realize the gravity of the situation.

    We are all somewhere on that bell curve distribution of response to situations and it is difficult and exasperating when regardless of what we present to others they do not truly consider it because of something internal that doesn't allow for truly open analysis of a situation.

    Don't ever be ashamed of being an astute and resourceful person.  If you can make one person cover a cough, get more meds, get more food, self isolate, convince a civic leader; you are helping for the greater good.

    The government is always trying to manage to the middle of the bell curve on large issues because whatever the perceived problem is they want to appease the most people to keep the status quo.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 4:51am

    #39
    kunga

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    The Great and Terrible Honey Badger

    Honey Badger virus is exposing the rich and powerful to be just as stupid and unhealthy as most of the rest of the population.  Honey Badger don't care, it'll eat a snake or a pretty bird.  The great equalizer.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 5:13am

    #40
    nigel

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    Chris is down under

    The national news broadcaster in Australia in their news segment used several chrisism's, I heard flattening the curve and a few others, maybe they have a producer or reporter who listens here.

    On a related note, honey badger really doesn't cut it in the southern hemisphere, so every time you say honey badger I'm going to read Wombat (closely related to vampire bats)

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 5:18am

    #41
    ddelong

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    Michigan Status

    Well,

    In Michigan the majority of universities are switching over to online learning and delaying returns from Spring Break.  A few K-12 schools are taking small breaks for some presumptive interaction cases of teachers and staff as the leads are being tested.  Most daycare facilities are still open.

    My father's nursing home went into lock down yesterday.  No known cases, just precautionary.  Seems like quite a number but not all of these facilities have adopted this practice.

    My commute to work experienced way lighter traffic than usual this morning.  Hopefully self-isolation.

    Reports on local news that TP, Cleaners, and sanitizers are stock out at many larger stores.

    I currently have 3 individuals from Europe (1 UK, 2 GER) working on one of our aseptic filling isolators.  They have all been recalled based upon Trump's travel ban, I know it's from Europe to US only, but their management has made the decision to withdraw traveling personnel from the US.  So I have a machine that is halfway through a yearly overhaul that won't be completed and the parts that have been identified for replacement appear as if they cannot be shipped because of this travel ban.  We will be waiting at least until mid April for a return of personnel and parts from those companies if they are available to complete the overhaul.  So my best guess, not considering internal work stoppages due to ole Honey Badger, is that this pharmaceutical line isolator will be down for at least 6 weeks which will come at a bottom line loss of profit of around 1.5 million based on the current schedule.  The line was scheduled to produce several lots of oncological drugs for market and for clinical trials.

     

    In other news my wife, a PhD, finally came around to the realization.  She stated it's like some crazy movie out there.  I then heard her talking on the phone to her mother about what we had.  I had to remind her that we never talk about quantities in Prep Club,  we will obviously help my mother in law and father in law but we must control the inventory and the communication of what that inventory is.

    With the guys leaving today I'm going to petition hard to STFH and work from there to help Flatten the Curve.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 5:23am

    nigel

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    Deosgames

    My lecture in physiology today at uni was talking about ph levels in urine and ammonia, they are worlds apart. For the love of god, urine is not a substitute for ammonia.

    Get on ebay, or your local brewing/distilling shop look up the term "reflux still" and you can purchase or even make an alcohol still reasonably cheaply, your local moonshiner can make alcohol easily, even on Hawaii, all you need is sugar(or sugar plants like pineapple, potatos, corn, sugarcane), some yeast, a boiler, and some copper line. Be part of the proud american tradition of moonshine. A reflux still with a condenser will let you make anywhere from 50% to 96% abv, dilute it back to 65% and you are sorted with as much disinfectant as you can make.

    You can go and distill store purchased vodka back to a higher % abv if you want, but that has to be the most expensive way of making alcohol I can think of.

    You can even get table top versions like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Still-Spirits-Turbo-Air/dp/B00BWUJKHG/ref=pd_sbs_79_img_1/145-4922270-0314860?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00BWUJKHG&pd_rd_r=ac5b2f44-a92a-44f6-a479-6f962ad2dcfe&pd_rd_w=RLr74&pd_rd_wg=OxCJa&pf_rd_p=5cfcfe89-300f-47d2-b1ad-a4e27203a02a&pf_rd_r=G00H4HZXBVTADF4TWBTA&psc=1&refRID=G00H4HZXBVTADF4TWBTA

    Just buy some beer and distill the beer into pure alcohol.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 5:29am

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    The situation in Hungary

    I live in Hungary, and I can tell you the current situation isn't better than anywhere else in Europe. There are many people i know who most probably have this virus, but aren't able to get tested. The protocol is that you have to call the GP to come to your house to check it out, but GPs refuse to come because they say they aren't given any tests nor proper protective equipment to deal with any of this. The hospitals won't even talk to anyone who isn't coming in an ambulance, my friend's family lives together as 5 in a suburban home, they've been all coughing with a high fever for about 2 weeks, nobody will help them until they are actually dying. Secondary schools are FORBIDDEN to close down, there are a couple of private schools that tried to, but were forced to reopen and threatened to have their license to operate revoked.

    So, it is predicted that there are at least hundreds of cases in Budapest alone according to communication between friends and the community, lots of people are sitting at home with sever pneumonia and high fever, but get no help at all.

    As most of you already know, the Hungarian government is terribly corrupt and anti-democracy, triggered anti-corruption measures multiple times in the eu which were boycotted by Poland coincidentally, which have the same anti democratic corrupt government.

    So, the government seizes the opportunity, blaming the usual suspects for this pandemic. Italy has it that bad because of immigration and all the ill-willed migrants spreading the virus on purpose, this was all George Soros's plan, but given the government's heroic anti-immigration nationalist policy, Hungary marches on with few cases! This is of course absolute bogus, the government applies the same "Don't test, Don't tell" approach we've seen demonstrated in many other countries, but this time, it's not for the economy, but for propaganda. As soon as there's another case announced, they publish videos of migrants breaking the border saying they're bringing all this in, coincidentally, the only actually reported cases are the Iranian students and foreigners or their relatives, they clearly hide any actual Hungarian person getting sick (of which there are at least hundreds).

    Please don't encourage this, it's bad if news spread around that say Hungary's doing a nice job containing this, it is exactly what they are aiming for and further fuels corruption, lying and subversion

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 5:33am

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    Plan for tomorrow...

    I self quarantined over a week ago. All projects have been put on hold including building my Log Cabin. I am 65, retired but for taking care of my finances and researching. I am fine, for now. At 65 this is an easy routine  for my age group so all should go into hiding for at least 30 days. It's our job. I am prepared to help but are wiery of others so will have to be at a distance.

     

    Chris, you sound exhausted. I get this. Not so much where you should stop doing what you are doing but because of the weight you carry from all the leaders simply not doing their jobs. Again, I get this however, now is all that matters. Remain positive and keep giving directions and demands. Demand that we self isolate, stop social gathering, things like this that you have been promoting. Do not however make yourself sick over what is past. You are important in all of this so stay the course and focus on what we can and must do now. Some good folks need to hear things a couple of times before they really hear you. Peace

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 5:34am

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    Simple, Highly Effective, Inexpensive Treatment for COVID-19

    Hi friends,

    I am new to this site and this is my first post. I am a physician, and would like to share with you a simple treatment that I would highly recommend you add to your other treatment plans in case you or a loved one gets COVID-19.

    I have used the hydrotherapy treatment recommended in the video on myself with excellent results, when I caught the flu in January 2019 from a patient. I have no financial relationship with anyone in the video.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 5:35am

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    Desogames

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    thanks nigel

    Well that's why i leave it up to somebody else :p

    In any case the idea was to make something out of nothing. "Go to ebay" is no longer an option. Delivery drivers are humans too... well for now anyway. Essentials (food/medical/power) only. Expect an chinese style lockdown cause it's the only thing that works when things get out of hand.

    Also i live in the Netherlands we don't exactly have a local moonshiner here 😀 or i wouldn't know how to find one. Gotta remember, internet, global, that sorta thing.

    Finding a one size fits all solution when some countries might have everything on hand while others do not is really hard. Also we all need to shift our thinking.

    How am i going to get any of that when i'm no longer allowed outside by the guard outside my door? It might actually get that bad!

    Now of course i'm prepared, so are most my friends i think cause i warned them early. So it wouldn't be for me. But how about for a reader in say, Iran? What are the only options left when there are no options left?

    EDIT: Gah forgot why i came here. Silver is finally selling off as expected. Now that's some heavy liquidation.

    No i'm serious; the markets are in full liquidation mode. EVERYTHING is getting sold today, except what little bonds people can afford to hold. It's a real real bloodbath. It might end up 1987 levels bad taken over the past 2-3 days.

    Watch the sparks fly as the market opens kids! this one will be for the books!

    EDIT:

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 5:49am

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    Desogames

    No idea why I thought Hawaii, It used to be the guy with the full beard and threadbare clothes was the local moonshiner. You will have them, they just will keep off the radar, no one likes civilians making their own.

    Have a look at an amazon turbo still, small thing, can come via delivery.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 5:56am

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    No flights from Europe to the US for 30 days????

    Really? Paris-NY not possible? Come on... Take a Paris-London-Montreal-NY... et voila! Europeans find their way into the US.

    Will Canada align to the US policy? May be, may be not. The logical thing to do, as we see it, is to close the Canada-US border. There are above 300000 persons that cross the Canada-US border DAILY! (Source)

    The US is in trouble regarding the handling of the Covid-19 situation. Canada is probably a bit better, but not much and we are certainly a few week behind. Also, the US has one big Achilles heel: its costly health system. Add to that so many illegal immigrants that will not seek for a doctor for two main reasons 1) money and 2) fear of the ICE, USBP and CBP.

    So, IMO, Canada should close its border to slow the spread and try to keep its health system standing when the wave will hit us.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 5:58am

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    centroid said:

    the pm said he was going to the football this weekend and encourages others to do so - another mistake from Scotty from marketing

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 6:18am

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    Desogames

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    I'll post this here as well

    Like i said. You're gonna see a few life time firsts and only's this week.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 6:25am

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    Disinfecting Mask Filters - Good News

    I assume that this has been covered already, but just in case, instructions on cleaning/ disinfection of filters for the Sundström facemask: https://www.srsafety.com/support/articles/corona

    That's a great find Afridev. That's info from a mask maker themselves

    -----

    Re-use of half mask SR 100 and full-face mask SR 200 respirator and pre-filter and particle filter

    Immersion in a 70% Isopropyl alcohol or 60% ethyl alcohol / ethanol solution has been found to effectively kill the virus. Elastomeric respirators with P3 mechanical filters offer greater efficiency and can be reused. The Sundström equipment described above has been thoroughly tested without any detrimental effects. In fact, after the equivalent of being immersed in 70% Isopropyl alcohol or 60% ethyl alcohol / ethanol solution for 5 minutes 4 times a day for 18 months, the equipment above suffered no effects in performance or efficiency, apart from the printing ink fading from the filter label.

    For cleaning/disinfection of SR 100 or SR 200 mask and pre-filter and particle filter, our recommendation is as follows:

    • Remove the pre-filter holder with the pre-filter from the particulate filter.
    • Remove the particulate filter from the mask or filter adapter.
    • Place the mask, particulate filter, pre-filter, pre-filter holder and filter adapter (if used) in 70% Isopropyl alcohol or 60% ethyl alcohol/ethanol solution.
    • The parts must be completely immersed in the ethanol for at least five minutes.
    • Lift out the parts (wear protective gloves). Shake out the ethanol.
    • Let the parts air dry for at least one hour before next use.

    The SR 500/SR 700 fan unit and headtops can be sprayed and cleaned with a solution of 70% Isopropyl alcohol or 60% ethyl alcohol / ethanol solution.

    This disinfection procedure can be done as often as necessary.

    • Change the pre-filter SR 221 at least every 7 days.
    • Change particle filter SR 510 after 18 months or sooner if there is any concern regarding physical damage, hygiene (soil/dirt), or increased breathing resistance.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 6:39am

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    US Tax Filing Date Probable Delay

    Looks like they will be delaying the date you have to have your taxes submitted.

    https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/tax-compliance/news/21129314/irs-to-delay-tax-season

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 6:39am

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    New guidelines

    avoid being six feet under by staying six feet apart                                                                       And above all else avoid touch screen voting

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 6:45am

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    schwedischdemokratischrepublik

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    Sweden, again

    Swedish professor of bacteriology, Agnes Wold, likens the Wuhan virus to a "military assault on Stockholm" and says that hospitals are in dire need of face masks, hand sanitisers, etc to be able to face the virus. Calls on the government to immidiately start production of these items and to not let any obstacles get in the way.

    https://twitter.com/AgnesWold/status/1238066443738124289

    Meanwhile, Stockholm county has announced that from now on only people already admitted to hospitals for coronavirus will be allowed to get tested. People who have show symptoms of the disease will not be tested, even if they have been in high-risk areas or been in contact with people who have. This is claimed to be done to protect those already in the hospitals.

    https://www.1177.se/Stockholm/sa-fungerar-varden/varden-i-stockholms-lan/om-corona/laget-i-stockholm-just-nu/

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 6:47am

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    Moonshine

    In Holland you can get jailtime only for owing a still

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 6:56am

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    More "Don't Test, Don't Tell"

    Oh I'm so reassured now...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/06/us-coronavirus-outbreak-nurses-cdc

    Love these quotes:

    “As a nurse, I’m very concerned that not enough is being done to stop the spread of the coronavirus. I know because I am currently sick and in quarantine after caring for a patient who tested positive,” the unnamed nurse said in her statement. “I’m awaiting permission from the federal government to allow for my testing, even after my physician and county health professional ordered it.”

    The nurse’s employer placed her on a 14-day self-quarantine because her symptoms matched potential coronavirus. While her doctor and local public health officials approved a test, she said, “the national [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] would not initiate testing”.

    “They said they would not test me because if I were wearing the recommended protective equipment, then I wouldn’t have the coronavirus,” she said in her statement.

    “They claim they prioritize running samples by illness severity and that there are only so many to give out each day. So I have to wait in line to find out the results,” her statement said. “This is not the ticket dispenser at the deli counter; it’s a public health emergency! I am a registered nurse, and I need to know if I am positive before going back to caring for patients.”

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 6:57am

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    TamHob

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    the interaction between Covid-19 and nodes

    I was thinking about how amazing it was that this virus has managed to find all the weak spots so fast - all the vital nodes to keep the world and each country's economy running. Then I realised that it wasn't chance - the virus spreads via social contact. So of course the places with the most links will develop the outbreaks first - the virus will flow along the social networks towards the nodes, it will flow faster toward a node the more that it is linked into the networks. Then, of course, by hitting those nodes it causes huge damage by acting as a huge blocker in the social networks that underpin human life. So, of course, transport hubs like Singapore and Seattle got infected first.

    It is fractal too - so it will tend to also flow towards the most powerful people since they tend to have the most social connections (and their close connections are also highly connected). You know what - if the virus has flowed along the nodes enough that top US military people have coronavirus then I bet Trump does have it as well.

    It was probably even inevitable that a pandemic virus like this would develop in a super-connected city since only a super-connected city would provide the right conditions for it to flourish - viruses jump the species barrier all the time but generally they are not well adapted to spread in the conditions they find themselves. For example, ebola seems to jump the species barrier a lot in rural Gabon judging by new population antibody studies. However, it relatively rarely even gets to local epidemic status because the places where it happens are so isolated.

    Anyway, this is probably not very profound but the pattern opened up before me and I felt the need to share.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 7:31am

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    Chrisboersma

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    Minor symptoms

    If you get a chance can you remind people of the minor symptoms and that spread is highest during this period

    https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-sheds-early-in-disease.html

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 7:34am

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    DaveDD

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    Good news!

    Or maybe not: according to my model, doubling time in the Netherlands is increasing to 2.5 days. End of March we will only have 100k infected, if nothing changes, which will lead to a total collapse of our health system. I talked to colleagues, neighbors, friends and family. The experience is best described by a phrase from "the terminator": "talk to the hand".

    Although I prepared long ago (hard assets, deep pantry, and yes, some play money in crypto as I like anarchistic potential), I realized this morning that I'm actually not prepared to deal with the emotional aspects of potential loss.

    Keep up the good work and good luck to all!

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 7:37am

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    teotwawki1 said:

    ,,,,,,,,,,salut louis!!!!!!! cela fait 2mois !!!!! OUI 2 mois que je tente pas tout les moyens de sensibilise les gens autour de moi de la gravitee de la situation ,,,,,,,,,je n ai plus le temps a m evertue a convaincre Pierrette,,,,Jeanne ,,,,,et Jacqueline!!!!!!! je dois continuer a prepare et prevoir pour les personnes proche de moi,,,,Jean-Francois. de L avaltrie                                                                            F

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 7:50am

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    greendoc

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    Simple but powerful hydrotherapy treatment

    Kudos to the unnamed member who posted in #34 regarding hot fomentation treatments.  This treatment is the cornerstone of nature cure hydrotherapy, and I spend first year naturopathic teaching clinic shifts performing these treatments. It would be impossible to pull off properly if you are alone or no one is well enough in your household to perform this procedure for you.

    What you can easily do, I suggest you start now just as a general immune tonic, is a heating compress, popularily known as the wet sock treatment. It sounds simple and it is, but surprisingly effective. I have used it resolve inflammation/infection anywhere in the feet. Really helpful for earaches in children.

    Whe I do this treatment, I typically wake up in the middle of the night with really hot feet...and dry cotton socks. I remove the socks at that time. I have never experienced full body sweats, but certainly possible.

    https://health.bastyr.edu/news/health-tips/2009/11/dive-feet-first-wellness-natural-remedy

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 7:56am

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    PP diet Italy

    Doctor, doctor, I am infected with th virus

    -- Ok, you will get a tiny room for yourself and from now the PP diet

    Huh, what is the PP diet?

    -- Pizza and Pancakes, the food we can give you without opening the door

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 7:58am

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    Chrisboersma

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    Common Symptom

    I just realized the media/who/cdc has done a terrible job explaining common symptoms and differences from the cold.  One of the big ones that I recently noticed is "runny nose".  Several articles have come out saying it is a "uncommon symptom" (probably relative to pnumonia).  News reports from China and elsewhere indicate that it is a *early* symptom and common in children.  This search term has exploded on google - suggesting that it is highly correlated with COVID-19, but also explains the rapidity of spread given people touch their nose - than shake your hand....  People with runny nose's will say: I'm just feeling a little under the weather or have "allergies".

    Just happened to me yesterday.  Person completely oblivious to potential risk.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 7:59am

    Desogames

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    yep

    Yep DaveDD that's exactly why i've posted before to get ready for the idea of Loss. You have no idea how hard that'll hit, even no matter how hard you prepare, you will still get a punch to the face.

    However it's by far not too late to make the decision to take that punch on your guard, or on the chin.

    The way you prepare for Loss is you prepare for your morale to sink. It's important to grieve, but people who get lost in despair do so because they did not take care of their morale. You have to expect it to drop so you can take measures against it dropping - rather then trying to prevent it from ever dropping; which simply is not realistic in a high stress situation such as societal collapse.

    Raising your morale once it hits rock bottom is very hard - so all your efforts have to go towards prevention from ever getting there (but not preventing from ever dropping at all). Just as you should listen to your body, you have to listen to your mind too.

    If you *need* a day off to play videogames or just water plants, do so. If you need to cry, do so, there is NO shame in it no matter how big or burly you are. Those who would make fun of you are the ones who crack the hardest when the time comes. If you're angry at the authorities for letting it get this far; write an angry email at your MP. If it helps it helps.

    At the same time, prepare to uplift morale if you can't keep it up yourself. Make sure you stock many sweets! Your favorites, if at all possible (thinking of longevity here). I can't tell you how many times popping a kitkat or 2 saved my day both when i was chronically depressed and suicidal; as well as a bag of caramels that helped save me while i was recovering only recently.

    If you're in isolation with a partner or kids; it'll be even harder. It'll seem easier, but that's only in the first few weeks. Stress *will* get to all of you, and you will have to try and keep the peace best you can while juggling stress from multiple people instead of just your own. Distraction is the name of the game here; as well as taking an interest in the other's distractions.

    Whatever the other is feeling, let them throw it out. It'll help them heal for when you need to do the same. Don't try and prevent it from ever happening, you would be inhuman to be capable of doing so. Simply plan around it and take it into account.

    We've survived FAR WORSE as a species. Far worse. So we can make it through this. But the time for comfort is over. The time for hardship has come and we need to steel ourselves for it. Those who can will suffer the least.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:04am

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    In answer to your question yesterday Chris.....

    Chris Martenson asked in his video yesterday why anyone would sell their gold.

    And the answer is: Have you looked at gold lately? Like today as it crashed lower 65 dollars and absolutely murdered most of the mining stocks dead. This is NOT an asset that can withstand a market meltdown. It is not a defense against a deflation either. Today, gold is back to being a lovely, expensive door stop. But I did warn you guys to get out. In a nice way I thought. Instead you all listened to John Rubino (sorry John!).

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:15am

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    Dutch Boomer

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    Gold

    Physical gold is an insurance tool not an investment.

    Every insurance tool is a loss.... until you need it

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:26am

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    schwedischdemokratischrepublik

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    schwedischdemokratischrepublik said:

    What a great idea, except that those that are not seriously ill can still pass on the disease to others. This decision will result in more spread, more seriously ill people for the health care system to handle. But the clowns in charge probably do not understand that. They are not professionals, they earn their positions by espousing the "correct" opinions and being loyal to the those in power, in particular to the Social Democrats.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:27am

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    louisdoran

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    Still awaiting results

    I'm still stuck at home. I better get use to it because if the Covid-19 test they performed before yesterday at the hospital comes back positive, I'll be quarantined for a while. But the point I want to make, is that the results, at least in Quebec (canadian province) can take up to 48 hours to be had. 48 hrs. Good grief, is that the best we can do in a G7 country. When every minute counts. I remind you that I work at parliament. Meaning if I am indeed already infected and have probably been for some time now, I potentially have spread the virus throughout our parliament where all, ALL, of our elected officials, and members of government, the whole executive branch of the province of Quebec, work. IAs a tour guide, I have even taken tourists inside the National Assembly chambers where the members meet daily and i have touched, yes touched, i remember fondly because i always point it out on my tours, the desk where our premier seats, therefore potentially infecting it with the virus which we know can live up to 9 days on wood surfaces.  Images of Iran spring to mind where a huge portion of the government was put out of commission by the virus and look at the mess they are now in.

    Just to show, how I truly believe, the province of Quebec has a very strong chance of winning the top award for the most inadequate response to this crisis when the dust finally settles, this is an online newspaper, one of the most important in the province,  article from few days ago.  In it a video from a national TV channel, in which a ''specialist'' is interviewed. The lady is a tenured professor at the university of Montreal. Her specialty, public health, microbiology and epidemiology. One can assume she at least has a doctorate degree, if not a post-doctorate degree. Oh, and she sits on the Quebec national public health advising commitee. Well guess what? In the video, she goes on to say that it is very hard to predict what is going to happen because there is very little we know about this virus, being new and all. But the best, the best, can't make this stuff up folks, it's beyond unbelievable. Towards the end of the video, around minute 22 if I remember well, she goes on to say that:'' If we are LUCKY,  we will be preserved (here in the province) from the epidemic''. Yup, you got that right, were down to luck in this province as a public health strategy. If we are lucky, the virus will just turn back at our borders and go on its merry way to infect the whole world but not us. You see, we have this superpower in this province. Perhaps because we speak french, the only such jurisdiction in North America, and everybody knows that translation is such a heavy burden on normal business, the virus will just turn around and choose not to come here. Yup, Covid-19 here, I don't speak french so I'll just skip you guys.   Unbelievable you say. Well it is sadly reality nonetheless.  God help us. With such incompetence apparently prevalent in the whole of upper echelons of our public health authorities, yes indeed, I am down to praying their is a God and that he will help us (even if he doesn't speak french)

    Here is the link. It's in french. Perhaps somebody here knows how to translate  a video for the benefit of all with a google gizmo,  I don't sorry. https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2020/03/07/on-connait-tres-peu-ce-virus-la-dit-une-microbiologiste-1

    God bless. That's all we have left as defense in this province. God. Oh GOD may you exist.

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:31am

    Dutchman

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    Re: DESOGAMES - Alcohol in NL

    Hey Deso, If you need good alcohol you can order it here: http://www.food4food.nl/artikel/alcohol-96-can-5-liter

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:35am

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    The age of Gold propaganda is coming to an end

    Aren't you are forgetting something? Gold was supposed to be insurance against exactly the thing that is happening in the world right now. In fact, gold has provided no warranty whatsoever because it has utterly failed to be a counter-cyclical investment as advertised. And if you examine the charts closely you will see that it has a very, very long way to fall before it fully deflates. Have you not been listening to the gold salesmen all these years? They said its going to 5 or 10 thousand dollars or more when the economy melts down. But it ain't true. You were better off buying the stock market this whole time (provided you sold before it crashed). Stick around for the real pain though. Gold is going to 968.00 as sure as night follows day. It will be smashed back to the stone age along with its little silver haired cousin and if we are lucky, all those slick gold salesmen will finally go silent and give us some peace. Most of them never knew what they were talking about to start with.

    Bunch of metals propaganda. LOL!!!

     

    PS: Dear Craig Hempke, no the bullion banks did not get broken and no, Comex has not gone bust or lost control of the market. And yes it does matter when there are so many COT longs and shorts at historical extremes just like it always mattered when there were extremes. Like in 2008 and 2006 and 2011 and 2016. That's a top my friend that needs to be sold. Why? Because there were no more gold buyers at the margin. Just a lot of specs who started to liquidate and down we go just like always. You thought it was going to be different this time. Nope. It's the same. Lol

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:38am

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    Torii

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    Honey Badger v. Pollenpocalypse

    Pollen/allergy season is starting early in the South this year because of the mild winter, just in time to confuse people about whether their cough and discomfort symptoms mean they have the virus or hay fever.

    https://abc11.com/5984586/

    Anyone know if allergy sufferers are more likely to catch the coronavirus because of compromised respiratory function or steroid use? This Asthma and Allergy Foundation site is embarrassingly inconclusive. Asthmatics seem to be in the high-risk group.

    https://community.aafa.org/blog/coronavirus-2019-ncov-flu-what-people-with-asthma-need-to-know

    I can imagine severe asthmatic/allergy cases becoming another of the many lower-triage conditions not treated this spring as medical services hone in on the virus, leading to misery and worse.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:39am

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    louisdoran

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    test results

    Results are in. Just got the call 30 minutes ago. Negative. Why am I not reassured. With the symptoms I have, although I concede they could be due to the hyper level of stress I have been under for the last few days not to say weeks,  and with the fact that investigations at the hospital have found no other probable cause, I still have a huge doubt. On top, we know, it as been mentioned by Chris numerous times in his videos,  that in China several tests have come back negative, once, twice, perhaps even three times before a test showed a positive. So could it be that the test used by Quebec authorities is deficient? The same as China? There are so many unknowns about this virus. We learn as we go about our enemy. Sure mistakes will be made. That is a certainty. The learning curve is just too steep and the situation evolving way to quickly for mammoth institutions to stay apace. One has to at least entertain that possibility that my results might be a false negative. We know it as happened elsewhere. I will at least. So I'll decide to stay put in my house regardless. Besides, at this point, it is the only sensible thing to do. Either, I am already infected and to protect others it is my moral duty to self quarantine, or I am not and it is my duty to protect myself and my son from infection by not exposing myself uselessly.

    God bless.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:41am

    #73
    wheresdavid

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    my community isn't concerned about flattening the curve - business as usual, no events to be canceled per CDC

    Below is an email that was sent out to members of my community - which has a very high number of elderly people living in it:
    Dear Varsity, JV, and C squad Hoop Club families,
    This email is to give you an update on the upcoming basketball banquet on Monday, March 23.  The Hoop Club board has been talking in regards to the coronavirus and gatherings of people.
    We have been in communication with local medical experts to get guidance on this.  Our current plan is to continue with the banquet as scheduled.  The MDH (Minnesota Department of Health), in communications with the CDC (Center for Disease Control) have not recommended cancellation of events in Minnesota.  School is in session in Ely and NE Minnesota, the boys played in the section semi-finals Wednesday night, the band concert is going on as planned Thursday night, and it seems all community functions have and are going on
    I went to our local clinic this week for an appointment.  The clinic is attached to our local hospital  I asked my DR. what he thinks - said everyone will probably get it, not preparing.  The nurse was worried that they weren't prepared.  Other staff members tried to great me with a handshake.  Other people said the flu is worse.  When I checked in they asked me if I've been out of the country or had contact with a known coronavirus patient - I should have said know but i have a really bad dry cough and a high fever.  A friend of mine is a paramedic, I asked him if they've had any training - which he replied NOPE.  A friend is a state trooper, I asked him if they higher ups have said anything, he said NOPE.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:43am

    Desogames

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    Thanks dutchman

    But again... That's an online order. You sure those will still be delivered in a months time?

    Again *i* am just fine. I've got plenty of sanitizers to get me through the next year. I overstocked cause my idiot family wouldn't stock so i had to take that into account. I'm just thinking about solutions in general here for people who didn't prepare and are going to be stuck at home in a months worth time with very little prep.

    Food'll be fine. That'll be prioritized. Food, Water, Electricity. Eating, drinking, refrigeration.

    EVERYTHING ELSE is a luxury when it comes down to it and should be treated as such. If i was president, and shit got truly outta hand, that's what i would prioritize.

    Keep the water running. Food delivery to the doorstep. Make sure the power continues to work. Lock everybody else in their homes. If somebody gets sick to the point of hospitalization; they go to the isolation ward where the nurses/doctors with the best protection walk around (cause they will be walking in a sea of virusses).

    As far as silver/gold goes; i'm no where near the 25% loss i anticipated in december (which'd be 360 a kilo for silver). Gold is still up for the year even. If you're still in gold futures ye sure that was a bad idea. But that's not why i have it. I have it so i can be in that market when the reverse happens, inflation takes hold again, and everybody scrambles for physical just like they scrambled for the exits in ETFs today, and the price increases by 50% overnight just like the VIX went up with 50% overnight.

    This is just one day. To say it doesn't hold up because it panic sells once, while everything else has been panic selling for 18 days, is stupid.

    Meanwhile the VIX has damn near tapped 70. Where's your reccomendation of buying velocity shares VIX ETF hmm? I mean it's gone from 40 to 377 within the same timeframe as everybody's been transfixed on gold. (as for why i'm not in that market... well i'm broke 😀 spent it on virus prep instead).

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 8:59am

    DaveDD

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    Re: yep

    Hi Desogames,

    Thanks for the kind and wise words. I will take your advice and buy sweet presents and enough hobby material for my children. As with respect to the morale aspect: that was just the thing that I realized this morning when I was suddenly overwhelmed with sadness.

    I always wondered why only 5% of the Jews fled Nazi-Germany in the 1930's, as more did have the economic resources to do so. I read many books about it, so I do understand the mechanisms behind it (the adjustment process as so eloquently explained by Chris and Adam on this site). But to be in the middle of it, and see and experience first hand that a large majority is totally unprepared and doesn't want to accept the facts and the resulting (potential) trajectory of events, is actually quite overwhelming for me. I noticed that I'm mentally preparing for (again, a potential) chaos and a lot of pain in my environment, and at the same time I'm dealing with an anger towards (many) leaders: it is so unfair, and so unnecessary that good people are left to fend for themselves.

    Again, thanks for the kind and wise words.

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:03am

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    Desogames

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    Big oof

    Regardless of gold and silver, i think there's another metal we at least can all laugh at together.

    And it was doing.... so well....

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:04am

    Jim H

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    Two ways to look at Gold

    Nairobi said,

    Chris Martenson asked in his video yesterday why anyone would sell their gold.

    And the answer is: Have you looked at gold lately? Like today as it crashed lower 65 dollars and absolutely murdered most of the mining stocks dead. This is NOT an asset that can withstand a market meltdown. It is not a defense against a deflation either. Today, gold is back to being a lovely, expensive door stop. But I did warn you guys to get out. In a nice way I thought. Instead you all listened to John Rubino (sorry John!).

    One can either play Gold as it exists today, with price discovery in the manipulated, paper futures market, or you can simply own physical as long term insurance.  The thing that pisses me off about the Gold coverage here is that it doesn't adequately differentiate between the two, in other words it treats the trading of paper futures as if it is real.. as if it has any connection to physical demand whatsoever... it doesn't.  If you don't fully grasp the fact that we have no idea what the physical Gold price would be were we to find ourselves in a supply vs demand pricing market, then you will not have the cajones to hold on through the wild paper market gyrations.

    By overemphasizing the importance of the paper Gold market here, it does a disservice to folks who may be trying to figure out whether to hold some long term.  I have nothing against folks who can manage to play the paper markets  - it's a skill I don't have, nor do I have the stomach for it.  Turd Ferguson does it right.. he plays the paper markets and analyzes them, but he ALWAYS reminds us that it's just a game, a game that will someday end with true price discovery on the other side.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:05am

    #78
    westcoastjan

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    First known case of a child being infected in Canada

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-child-care-quarantine-covid-19-1.5494970

    Not good... 🙁

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:09am

    #79
    westcoastjan

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    BC Commericial fishery concerns

    https://vancouversun.com/business/b-c-commercial-fishery-among-sectors-fearing-covid-19-market-fallout/wcm/ffcc8b3c-16e6-4c4c-81bb-d6f32bbd1364/

    Wide ranging implications for Canadian and US west coast restaurant industry as well as commercial seafood suppliers.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:17am

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    kunga

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    Nairobi /gold

    I started buying physical gold in 2000.  Accumulated at lows for 12 years.  Tried to sell some at the 9/11 disaster high but shop wouldn't buy it back that day.  No online places, then.  Just held during the market screaming and panic of 2008-2009.  Then in 2012, after 2 years living in my car, to save money, I got a sweet deal on my property, cashed in some gold, near the highs, paid my taxes, and improved the place to where I can now comfortably isolate.  Gold and property, both real things, usually move opposite to each other.  Just dumb luck, really, but I have good angels.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:24am

    ao

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    Jim, I couldn't agree with you more

    On a very elementary level, the question one has to ask oneself is, do you want to own paper and electrons that can vanish into nothingness at the drop of a hat or do you want to own something tangible and real, with no counter party risk, that you can hold in your hands and your hands only, with a 5,000 year track record, that most of the most powerful governments in the world are still seeking to actively acquire?  To me, it's a no brainer.  Physical gold is not something I'm going to trade into and out of, willy nilly.  If governments take away its legality or tax it to death, something which is a distinct possibility, it's still there for my kids after I'm gone for a time when governments will change.  I don't rest all my hopes on it but I trust it more than paper and electrons.

    Today, gold has only dropped 50% of what the equity markets have so it's held up surprisingly well.

    Short of a massive gold asteroid plopping itself down on our planet, I'm in for the long haul.

    P.S. Nairobi, if you can find sellers who are willing to unload their expensive, burdensome, useless, outdated doorstops for $300 an ounce or less (the price I bought the majority of my gold), please send them my way.  I will help them out by taking the heavy weight of that barbaric relic off their bowed backs.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:24am

    Jim H

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    Well played Kunga

    I wish I had been a buyer in 2000 but I was still kind of sleepy then : )

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:25am

    Desogames

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    I think you can rest safely

    Doesn't seem you infected the prime minister Louis.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-leaders-slam-trumps-unliteral-travel-ban-global-outbreak-death-toll-passes-4500

    "Update (1216ET): Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his wife are planning to self-quarantine after the PM's wife, Sophie Gregoire, recently returned from London, where she visited for a speaking engagement, developed a low fever and other symptoms of the virus last night."

    In this game of clue, turns out it was the wife in the airport with Covid.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:27am

    #84
    Torii

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    Seattle Strategist Is Done

    Another prepared individual weary of fatuous critiques about her foresight in our emerging crisis. This Seattle-based social strategist on the front lines of the outbreak is one of my tribe. If you can’t help people get ready and support necessary sacrifices, she writes, “then at the very least, shut your mouth and get the hell out of our way.”

    Lessons from Lockdown: I’m done trying to convince the doubters to prepare

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:35am

    #85
    schwedischdemokratischrepublik

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    Sweden keeps doing it wrong

    While Norway and Denmark tries to slow down the spread of the Chinese coronavirus by closing down schools, the head epidemiologist at Swedish CDC, Anders Tegnell, rejects implementinhäg that measure. Says it is too early for that, apparently wanting to wait until it is too late, as usual.

    Trots grannländernas beslut – inga stängda skolor i Sverige

     

    Sweden has banned large public gatherings, however, days after the Swedish state television refused to cancel their Eurovision song contest, which was held last Saturday infront of an audience of 30,000 in Stockholm...

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:36am

    ao

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    nigel, two things

    First, the honey badger is in the Southern Hemisphere as well as the Northern Hemisphere.

    Two, wouldn't the Tasmanian devil be a better choice than the Wombat?  There's no way I would pet or hold a Tasmanian devil but I did with a juvenile Wombat and I think that those critters are just one of the cutest things to walk the planet.  Tough, yes, but not in the same category as a Honey Badger (or, for that matter, a Wolverine, our North American equivalent of the Honey Badger).

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:51am

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    ezlxq1949

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    Don't forget exercise if stuck at home

    Desogames' posts about how armchair exercising improved his health apply to everybody. Don't overlook the benefits of exercise, almost any exercise, especially if you're quarantined inside a small dwelling.

    Humans are designed to move, not to sit still for much of the day.

    One easy way to get plenty of exercise is a small trampoline. I have a Bellicon which provides us with an easy way to get plenty of exercise without hurting joints or sinews, unlike for example jogging on hard surfaces. Bellicon tramps use bungee cords which are quieter and less harsh than metal springs.

    Plenty of videos of exercise routines on Youtube.

    It's possibly too late now to buy one, but give it a go. Even just walking on the trampoline is better than sitting around!

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:56am

    kunga

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    JimH/ gold 2000

    After years of education and subsistence living, I was working a professional job.  All that frugality left me with extra cash to play the late 90s dot com boom.  The online trading was cheap and though I never made much, I started consuming books and books of financial and trading history.  When the boyz on AOL said Enron was a broken stock and it was time for commodities to go bull, I was ready.  Having a nutball father who was a gold bug probably set me up mentally.  Read a lot of his treasure hunting mags when his back was turned.  🐱🐱

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 10:01am

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    Desogames

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    FED ANNOUNCES $500 BILLION REPO

    Markets are SCREAMING higher!

    And that's why i still have physical gold/silver. 1 announcement. That's all it takes. Just 1 singular announcement.

    I am not afraid of losing money. I'm afraid i will be left out when the tide turns. Are you really sure your local store has enough physical in stock when the time comes? When i bought my physical it had to be ordered in and took a week. Will they even be open because of lockdowns?

    I don't own gold because i'm looking to make a quick profit. I'm holding it because the world can change on the back of a single announcement now. It's extremely volatile. I'm a saver - i wanna save what i already have.

    Markets seem OK now for today. But what about tomorrow? Are they going to need *another* half a trillion repo?

    Are you sure you can still access all your funds when the market is halted for a week, or when the headline hits "Deutsche bank bankrupt, Germany nationalizes DB and institute capital controls"? Can you be *sure*?

    The rally's already topped. Dow's back down to more then 1000 point drop. That's what Half a trillion buys.

    You sure you don't wanna hold gold?

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 10:04am

    ezlxq1949

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    Honey badger or wombat?

    As another Antipodean denizen, let me chime in broefly. Wombats are cute and social until about 2 years old (or is it 3...forget) when they become quite solitary. A wombat is very determined: it establishes its pathways between places and almost nothing will deter it from moving along that pathway. They're surprisingly srong and tough, and able to move all manner of obstacles.

    Not a bad metaphor for this here virus, but still and all, I'd rather not attach the good name of Wombat to it!

    How about relabelling the Honey Badger Virus as the Stoffle Virus? Methinks that "Stoffle" can be easily seen in the name Mephistopheles, i.e. Mephi-stoffle-es. Who is that? Duckduckgo is your friend here.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 10:18am

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    saxplayer00o1

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    Almost as many active cases in Italy as China

    Country,
    Other
    Total
    Cases
    New
    Cases
    Total
    Deaths
    New
    Deaths
    Total
    Recovered
    Active
    Cases
    Serious,
    Critical
    Tot Cases/
    1M pop

    China
    80,796
    +18
    3,169
    +11
    62,826
    14,801
    4,257
    56.1

    Italy
    15,113
    +2,651
    1,016
    +189
    1,258
    12,839
    1,153
    250.0

    Iran
    10,075
    +1,075
    429
    +75
    3,276
    6,370

    120.0

    S. Korea
    7,869
    +114
    66
    +6
    333
    7,470
    54
    153.5

    Spain
    3,059
    +782
    86
    +31
    189
    2,784
    126
    65.4

    Germany
    2,502
    +536
    5
    +2
    25
    2,472
    9
    29.9

    France
    2,281

    48

    12
    2,221
    105
    34.9

    USA
    1,396
    +95
    39
    +1
    15
    1,342
    10
    4.2

    Switzerland
    867
    +215
    6
    +2
    4
    857

    100.2

    Norway
    727
    +98

    1
    726

    134.1

    Diamond Princess
    696

    7

    325
    364
    32

    Japan
    691
    +52
    17
    +2
    118
    556
    29
    5.5

    Sweden
    683
    +183
    1

    1
    681
    2
    67.6

    Denmark
    674
    +160

    1
    673
    2
    116.4

    Netherlands
    614
    +111
    5

    2
    607
    1
    35.8

    UK
    590
    +130
    10
    +2
    18
    562

    8.7

    Belgium
    399
    +85
    3

    1
    395
    2
    34.4

    Austria
    361
    +115
    1
    +1
    4
    356
    1
    40.1

    Qatar
    262

    262

    90.9

    Bahrain
    195

    35
    160
    1
    114.6

    Singapore
    187
    +9

    96
    91
    12
    32.0

    Malaysia
    158
    +9

    26
    132
    2
    4.9

    Australia
    156
    +28
    3

    26
    127
    1
    6.1

    Hong Kong
    130

    3

    77
    50
    6
    17.3

    Canada
    122
    +12
    1

    9
    112
    1
    3.2

    Finland
    109
    +44

    1
    108

    19.7

    Iceland
    109
    +24

    109

    Israel
    100
    +3

    4
    96
    2
    11.6

    Greece
    99

    1
    +1

    98
    2
    9.5

    Czechia
    96
    +2

    96

    9.0

    Slovenia
    89
    +32

    89

    42.8

    UAE
    85
    +11

    17
    68
    2
    8.6

    Kuwait
    80
    +8

    5
    75
    4
    18.7

    Iraq
    79
    +8
    8
    +1
    20
    51

    2.0

    Portugal
    78
    +17

    1
    77
    1
    7.6

    India
    74
    +12

    4
    70

    0.1

    Thailand
    70
    +11
    1

    35
    34
    1
    1.0

    San Marino
    69

    3

    66
    3

    Brazil
    69
    +17

    69
    2
    0.3

    Lebanon
    68

    3
    +1
    1
    64
    3
    10.0

    Egypt
    67

    1

    27
    39

    0.7

    Philippines
    52
    +3
    2

    2
    48
    1
    0.5

    Poland
    51
    +20
    1
    +1

    50
    3
    1.3

    Romania
    50
    +3

    6
    44
    1
    2.6

    Taiwan
    49
    +1
    1

    20
    28

    2.1

    Saudi Arabia
    45

    1
    44

    1.3

    Ireland
    43

    1

    42

    8.7

    Vietnam
    39

    16
    23

    0.4

    Indonesia
    34

    1

    3
    30

    0.1

    Palestine
    31
    +1

    31

    6.1

    Russia
    28

    3
    25

    0.2

    Georgia
    25
    +1

    25
    1
    6.3

    Brunei
    25
    +14

    25

    Algeria
    24
    +4
    1
    +1
    8
    15

    0.5

    Albania
    23
    +8
    1

    22

    8.0

    Chile
    23

    23

    1.2

    Costa Rica
    22

    22
    1
    4.3

    Peru
    22
    +5

    22

    0.7

    Argentina
    21

    1

    20
    1
    0.5

    Pakistan
    21
    +1

    2
    19

    0.1

    Croatia
    19

    1
    18

    4.6

    Luxembourg
    19
    +12

    19

    Serbia
    19
    +1

    19

    2.2

    Oman
    18

    9
    9

    3.5

    Ecuador
    17

    17
    1
    1.0

    Estonia
    17
    +1

    17

    12.8

    South Africa
    17
    +4

    17

    0.3

    Bulgaria
    16
    +9
    1

    15

    2.3

    Latvia
    16
    +6

    1
    15

    8.5

    Hungary
    16
    +3

    16

    1.7

    Slovakia
    16
    +6

    16

    2.9

    Azerbaijan
    15
    +4
    1
    +1
    3
    11

    1.5

    Panama
    14

    1

    13

    3.2

    Belarus
    12
    +3

    3
    9

    1.3

    Mexico
    12
    +1

    4
    8
    1
    0.1

    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    11
    +4

    11

    3.4

    Macao
    10

    10
    0

    North Macedonia
    9

    1
    8

    4.3

    Colombia
    9

    9

    0.2

    Malta
    9
    +2

    9

    Maldives
    8

    8

    Afghanistan
    7

    7

    0.2

    Tunisia
    7

    7
    1
    0.6

    Cyprus
    7
    +1

    7

    5.8

    Morocco
    6

    1

    5
    1
    0.2

    French Guiana
    6

    6

    Moldova
    6
    +3

    6

    1.5

    Cambodia
    5

    1
    4

    0.3

    Dominican Republic
    5

    5

    0.5

    New Zealand
    5

    5

    1.0

    Senegal
    5
    +1

    1
    4

    0.3

    Paraguay
    5

    5
    1
    0.7

    Armenia
    4
    +3

    4

    1.3

    Liechtenstein
    4
    +1

    4

    Lithuania
    3

    3

    1.1

    Bangladesh
    3

    3

    Bolivia
    3
    +1

    3

    0.3

    Channel Islands
    3
    +1

    3

    Cuba
    3

    3

    0.3

    Martinique
    3

    3

    Nigeria
    2

    2

    Sri Lanka
    2

    1
    1

    0.1

    Burkina Faso
    2

    2

    0.1

    Cameroon
    2

    2

    0.1

    Faeroe Islands
    2

    2

    Honduras
    2

    2

    0.2

    Jamaica
    2

    2

    0.7

    Saint Martin
    2

    2

    Guyana
    1
    +1
    1
    +1

    0

    Andorra
    1

    1

    Jordan
    1

    1

    0.1

    Monaco
    1

    1

    Nepal
    1

    1
    0

    Ukraine
    1

    1

    Bhutan
    1

    1

    Ivory Coast
    1

    1

    DRC
    1

    1

    French Polynesia
    1

    1

    Gibraltar
    1

    1
    0

    Vatican City
    1

    1

    Mongolia
    1

    1

    0.3

    Réunion
    1

    1

    St. Barth
    1

    1

    St. Vincent Grenadines
    1

    1

    Togo
    1

    1

    0.1

    Turkey
    1

    1

    Total:
    132,995
    6,796
    4,946
    329
    68,891
    59,158
    5,839
    17.1

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 10:26am

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    Idle gossip

    People are really losing it in my hometown.  As we had our 1st case yesterday......  They will tell you, "It is just the flu" while completely freaking out and their marbles rolling across the floor.

    And a "cold" is actively spreading in our community.  I admit, I have it.  I am going to look into testing.  I understand Labcore has a test.

    It could just be the flu that was going through the schools.  Time will tell.

    Thanks for letting me have a place to vent and ramble.

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 10:27am

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    Younger People: What Does Recovery Even Mean?

    This is from an online opinion piece in Newsweek magazine by a doctor in Europe. The piece is titled: “Young and Unafraid of The Coronavirus Pandemic? Good for You. Now Stop Killing People.”

    “Fatality is the wrong yardstick. Catching the virus can mess up your life in many, many more ways than just straight-up killing you. … How about needing four months of physical therapy before you even feel human again. Or getting scar tissue in your lungs and having your activity level restricted for the rest of your life. Not to mention having every chance of catching another bug in hospital, while you're being treated or waiting to get checked with an immune system distracted even by the false alarm of an ordinary flu.”

    As Chris has asked, what does “recovery” mean?

    And “Now, odds are, you … might not even get symptoms. Great. Good for you. Very bad for everyone else, from your own grandparents to the random older person who got on the subway train a stop or two after you got off. You're fine, … but you're walking around and you kill a couple of old ladies without even knowing it. Is that fair? You tell me.”

    https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797 

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 10:53am

    Nairobi

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    Love is real.

    Love, hopes, dreams, angels, trust, peace, courage, wisdom.....

    You know what those all have in common kunga? Well I will tell you. They are all intangibles that all people understand and value in every culture around the world no matter what language they speak or religion they belong too. We all know those exist without question even though we cannot hold them or catch them like you would capture a wild animal and put it in a cage. So they are very real even though they are mere concepts in our minds. And that is why you need to stop worrying about holding primitive relics in your hand as proof of wealth. You don't need gold.

    What you need is FAITH.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 11:00am

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    westcoastjan

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    National Hockey League suspending all games

    NHL suspends its season amid coronavirus pandemic

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 11:04am

    Nairobi

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    What??? No Hockey? Oh now I am really pissed at this virus

    Wow, no NHL hockey. That's depressing. Even more depressing than gold.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 11:27am

    kunga

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    " I'm a material girl, in a material world..."

    Nairobi, I have had at least one material experience with an angel who helped me perform in a near life and death situation.  Just because a being normally lives in another dimension does not mean it can't materialize here.  Believing is seeing.   I have plenty of faith and pet rocks, too.  How's your faith doing?

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 11:37am

    Nairobi

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    Kunga is a girls name?

    I never would have guessed Kunga was a girls name. Cool. It sounds African. Anyway, yes I am doing just fine. Agree about the angels too. They are here all around us. (If we choose to pay attention.)

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 11:51am

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    Ejh237

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    How do I undo 48 days of greed oriented lies?!????

    Chris & Adam,

     

    I am at a loss!

     

    Cindy and I moved to a little town in Washington State coming on 2 years ago, located smack dab in the middle, an hour away from Kirkland/Seattle, and an hour away from Portland.  All of us here would consider this ground zero, but it is being ignored.

    Nearly 4 weeks ago, I spoke out at our town council meeting about Ncov2, and again nearly 2 weeks ago, and things went a bit better… and we will be going to next Monday’s meeting to do it again (even tho I don’t want to even be out).
    Since it was clear the council was bound by the official party line on the virus, I went to the other influencers in town and have had some success. I have managed to get the community wide annual meeting canceled for the 19th, and our Lion’s club to cancel their monthly meeting. I have emails into all of the churches in town, and the one who I know a member of, and spoke in person to is talking about canceling this Sunday.
    My email into the School Superintendent did not go so well. He thanked me for my interest and showed me a link to where he is getting his information to make the decision of when to close schools.  I followed this link, and found it was basically a lightly edited copy/paste from the WHO information. So, it’s still dis-information. I understand, when he closes schools, he will get backlash from the miss-informed population. So, I guess he is doing his job, and I feel like the guy with the sandwich sign, proclaiming the end of the world. I am at such a loss. I wrote an email I couldn’t bring myself to send because I sounded like a loon compared to this “official information” at  https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus
    In an old, quiet, conservative community, what mainstream news spews is what a large majority of the people take a as “truth”.  I have no idea how to tell them they were lied up until just last week (Remember? The day AFTER the stock marked first rolled over… then was the time that the CDC/WHO decided maybe there was something to this virus)
    I bring it up in nearly every conversation, as tho I was selling insurance, or some other MLM product, and it feels like it’s too late. These people are programmed, it may be easier to pull their teeth than to convince them it is not the flu. I’m not talking about the city council, and the more heads up folks, but the every day Joe on the street.
    I am the chairman for the planning commission here in town (yes, we have embedded quite significantly in 2 short years), and was on a state webinar last Tuesday.  Don't get me started about what a sh*t show that was.  bad audio, people couldn't connect due to Skype for biz's 250 person limit.  I managed to get audio and video, so snapshotted the slides, here are the slides on the NPI's that I am sharing with everyone I email.
    Time to stop the rambling. I will keep trying, even tho I just rage inside that "money" is valued so much greater than lives in this country.
    best to you all,
    Eric & Cindy

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 11:52am

    westcoastjan

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    Victoria BC city council considering push to ban cruise ships

    Victoria city council considering push to ban cruise ship visits to city amid coronavirus pandemic

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 11:55am

    karenchantal

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    Labcorp has tests

    I have not heard back from my personal doctor yet, but I found that you can indeed get a private test.  If you are lucky enough to have insurance, which I am blessed to have.

    https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 11:57am

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    UK inadequate response

    The UK government is so complacent that it is not shutting schools, citing the fact that children aren't affected. This news from Canada puts the lie to that , and Chris pointed out that the age is becoming lower. Also, what about the teachers? The new UK government is following the US rulebook, with more thought for money than people. Older people are not encouraged to socially isolate now, as apparently this will lead to loneliness and the time for isolation is when things get really bad in two weeks time. I live in Cheltenham, a town in England and we have just had race week, which went ahead, welcoming 250,000 people to my town from all over the country and Ireland. We will now be a hotspot, I should imagine. I can't help thinking about the quote from the First World War, ' we are lions led by donkeys'.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 11:58am

    New_Life

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    great article on why you should act now on CV19

    https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:02pm

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    No Hockey !?

    Ya and NBA season called off. But I tell what officially pushed me into PISSED off was hearing about Tom Hanks, that should infuriate the entire human race.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:14pm

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    How come celebrities can get tested right away?

    “BTW, both Hanks and his wife, Rita Wilson, both apparently now positive for Kung Flu, are also both 63.
    Best wishes to them (and anyone else who gets it) dealing with this sh*t.

    (Also, if I were running the CDC right now, I'd be wondering how long before people notice that multi-millionaire actors can get rapid test results in Oz, but Kaiser ER nurses exposed to confirmed Kung Flu patients can't get tested in Califrutopia in the U.S. of A. That's gonna leave a mark when it lands.“

    http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/whiplash.html?m=1

     

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:16pm

    Alexis

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    gold and CV scare

    Well we had a scare for the past 48hrs, thought my husband was coming down with the virus due to out all the sudden out of this world stomach problems plus low grade 100.3 temp. I had the thought to pour bleach on him and light a match for a brief moment. LOL. Thankfully, I isolated him and backtracked all his food and did typical nursing measures for both respiratory symptoms and GI symptoms. Charcoal pills (absorb bacterial/viral toxins), probiotics (doubled), Vitamin C. After 8hrs stomach was better but the dreaded neck pain started, oh and he had "worse headache of his life." All these symptoms lead me to calling our local facilities to inquire about testing as he possible could have had a run in with the person found positive at Rice University just before he agreed to stay home, today is his 14th day since civilization (here with 3 kids under 5 it is always a zoo!). So, it took me about 20 minutes to find phone numbers, none of the phone numbers on public health sites were either working or going straight to vmail. Finally found the hotline number, gave me the wrong clinic for testing, that clinic gave me a different number. That clinic was very hesitant about even talking to me and said, we should go to the ER if he couldnt hold down fluids but no, he may not get tested there So, ok yes we can do a test but not today, it will have to be tomorrow. OK, good to know, 8 phone calls later, can maybe get a test tomorrow, but probably not at the hospital. IE--> Testing very limited in Houston, TX! Kept husband quarantined for 48hrs, symptoms resolved. Looked at everything he ate and realized that he ate 66 grams of fat in one sitting. Offf. HOpefully just a little acute IBS or too much fat set him off, really bad time to binge eat sausage.  I was crazy full of anxiety realizing that my husband (otherwise healthy, previous crossfit type) would become very ill if he got this (unknown underlying GI maybe, IBS ie compromised immune system possibly) and I would have to manage him plus 4yo twins, one with immune deficiency and 18m old plus get sick myself. I am committing to minimum 3 months inside for us. Maybe longer, fortunate we have a sizable yard for kids to play but live in a cul de sac that I secretly want to wall off from everyone.

    SOOO, moral of the story, if you cannot handle that level of anxiety when you realize it may be your turn, dont chance it, I think my husband finally realized how serious it would be if he were to be that sick... I have personally stayed home since 01/20 with my kids due to all this and my husband was "grounded" from certain events (houston rodeo) even business arrangements. I still treat him like he maybe can still come down with something but trying not to mentally burn him with isopropyl alcohol. HA!

    Side note, Houston Rodeo, host to 2.5 million people over 4 weeks finally closed AFTER it was found to have had a person test positive who went to cook off on 02/28... Cook off is like 50 huge mega tents (dancing, ands, drinking) all in a row, eating, drinking, dancing in the outdoors, port-a-potties. It is the pre-opening festivities highly attended, sort of like rodeo bourbon street. They are not sure if he was symptomatic at the time. SOOOO, give it 3 weeks and he probably got it via community transmission due to no travel. And how many people think this was a wise choice? FEW! Even after knowing about the positive patient. OK- Darwin it is here in Texas.

    Stocks- wow, I want to buy some physical gold and diamonds. I had this idea weeks ago, if everything crashes at least it will be fun to play with. Bury it in the yard and tell the kids pirates buried treasure in the garden... That should buy us 1 hour of play time.  SO, where is the best online place to buy physical gold??

    Deso- really wish I had bought vix when it was 17$. HA!

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:20pm

    ao

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    Jan, they may not even have to pass that measure

    Princess Cruises cancelled cruises for ALL 18 ships in their fleet starting March 12 through at least May 12.  The others will likely follow suit soon.  Interesting side note: just today I get a brochure from Princess advertising their cruises including the West Coast and Alaska cruises that dock at Vancouver.  Into paper recycling with that brochure.

    The economic cascade and amplification effect from this bug is just growing and growing.  UK stock market down almost 11%, German stock market down over 12% ... in one day.  And every measure to contain it or ease the shock of it means spending more money that no one has and increasing the government, corporate, and household debt that helped create this whole mess in the first place.

    I'm going to be reviewing The Book of Revelation tonight.  I've been listening to David Jeremiah on the radio explaining the various prophecies as I'm going about my chores.  It's fascinating when presented with his level of understanding and it all makes sense when you dig into the meaning behind the symbolism, the language, the culture, the times, the history, etc.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:23pm

    Alexis

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    Wet socks similar to cold shower

    Interesting hydrotherapy posts! I recalled something similar I read recently, taking cold showers, or walking outside in the cold, helps stimulate our WBCs I believe. I have to go find the specific term it was called, but wondered if that was the same mechanism of action. Thanks for sharing!

    Louis- I hope you start feeling better, sometimes it can be helpful to sit in steamy shower or if heat is difficult, opening the freezer and breathing in the cool air. These are measures we used to instruct our pediatric patients with RSV to do, *might* be helpful but I have no idea with adults only in theory. Wishing you well!

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:30pm

    MarkM

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    @ New Life

    Nice article. I rang the bell today at lunch for my 37 year dental practice. Temporary suspension of patient visits. D/FW Texas area. I think we have 12 diagnosed so far, absolutely many more. Even though I was at peace with my decision, the article reinforced it. Hopefully, we can get back at it in a couple of months. The right decision on many levels.

    #flattenthecurve

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:36pm

    Sparky1

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    Late night comedy shows to perform w/o audiences

    Stephen Colbert announced that all late night comedy programs will perform without live audiences effective this coming Monday 3/16/20.

    (I didn't post the link 'cuz it might "distract" the discussion from more important matters.)

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 12:41pm

    Nate

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    sliver of hope

    Several weeks ago I shared that 2 elderly members of our church were on the Diamond Princess.  He contracted Covid-19 and was moved to a Japanese hospital.  Very poor health - 92 years old, can barely walk.  Doctors gave him a 5% chance of making it.

    Well, when you have outstanding health care and available hospital beds, lots of good things can happen.  He is back in the states and is doing fine.

    I do think there are different strains of this bug with very different outcomes.  Pray that the Italian and Iranian strain don't come to the lower 48 (+2) or anywhere else.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 1:31pm

    Alexis

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    Delivery people

    I just made a huge mistake!! Opened the door for a delivery person, not realizing how close to the door they were  (18") nor that I had to sign (thanks hubs ergh),  now I am mentally freaking out and putting myself on the 14day watch list... I washed, gargled salt, hydrogen peroxide, showered and everything. DO we realize how many people our delivery drivers come in contact with and their little computer pads of doom??? Ergh, huge mistake with droplet and aerosol infectivity. How likely that UPS driver has not come in contact with at least 1 person that is infected by now.... pretty low by now I figure. I was just thinking earlier if I had to work, what would be the most isolating and I actually thought delivery driver but failed to think about signing for packages.  We did not shake hands, but I did hold the little computer and we spoke so opportunity for flying spittle I suppose and contact with the computer ungloved. ARGH HUGE ROOKIE MISTAKE and I am not a rookie.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 1:42pm

    Torii

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    Great Article, New Life

    New Life, thank you for sharing the article from Medium. The clear explanations of data—and data extrapolations—confirmed the sense of urgency I feel about minimizing social contact. You have helped me stiffen my resolve and decline both a meeting and a wedding next week. Chart 23, indicating how cumulative cases may be reduced by 40% just by choosing to shut down social contact even one day sooner, sealed the deal. Many thanks!

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 1:53pm

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    Shut down effectiveness?

    One possible case here on Kauai.  Grand Princess visited our port 15 days ago.  I'm thinking cases may start showing up very soon.  I'm really wanting to self-isolate very soon.  67 yo.  I'm seriously considering closing business with 8 employees, but, if they don't STFHome, does it make that much difference?  I can't make them self-isolate, they're younger and healthy.  Semi-important retail brick-and-mortor service business- customers may not understand yet, at this point.  Any other business owners have any ideas on how to stay open yet keep risks to very minimum?    Hard to be the tip of the spear......Aloha, be well all, Steve

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 1:54pm

    nordicjack

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    Nate - sliver of whatever

    The problem with this like the H1N1 - is it can kill indiscriminately.  There is some myth// yes myth that these diseases only kill the old and infirm/  And though they may be the way it works at face value,  actuality is quite different.  Seemingly very healthful people have died from this while those with "zero" immunity seem to do just fine. IE  infants.   They have immunity.  My "theory" how this virus works or kills.. is by  pre-sensitization.  Why some individuals in healthcare may be more at risk even though fit.      Also , how infants are unaffected.    Some elderly can do fine if not sensitized.. he ( 92 year old ) may be old enough to have missed some childhood disease or even a vaccination.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 2:03pm

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    Ejh237

    Kudos to you for your efforts and a great presentation.  It’s called the power of 1.  One person can make a difference.  You may never know what seeds you planted.  But you put in the effort and should be proud.

    Thumbs up!!! And a big thank you fir your efforts!  You would make Your Granny proud.

    AKGrannyWGrit

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 2:10pm

    westcoastjan

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    Hi ao, yes that was my very thought

    Still, I was pleased and rather surprised to see them taking this action given the severe economic implications. Tourism is a big part of the local economy so this will hurt big time. Hopefully this is an indication that more and more people are waking up to the very real and serious threat that this is.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 2:13pm

    westcoastjan

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    Baby infection in Ontario

    ...As Manitoba and Saskatchewan reported their first cases and Ontario uncovered 17 more, including one baby...

    🙁 🙁

    ‘Social distancing’ ramps up as COVID 19 spreads and economic toll mounts

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 2:14pm

    Sparky1

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    Chinese official: CV pandemic could be over in June

    Gosh, maybe I'm just too skeptical, but somehow I just don't believe that a) countries will "act"; and b) the [first wave of] the pandemic could be over that quickly.

    Coronavirus pandemic "could be over by June" if countries act, says Chinese adviser

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china/coronavirus-pandemic-could-be-over-by-june-if-countries-act-says-chinese-adviser-idUSKBN20Z046

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 2:17pm

    NorthElkhound

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    DDS

    I went to DDS today in Boise, Idaho suburb to get a cavity dealt with. I realized I could not wait any longer, though I had wanted to due to low finances. Next week the dermatologist for a couple of skin cancers they need to burn off. No more specialist visits. My DDS was VERY surprised to hear Valley Medical Center in Seattle was requisitioning masks from dentists, veterinarians and livestock workers. He may take things a little more seriously now.

    (Also, went to Costco today wearing medical gloves and wiping the cart. Everyone stared at me. I didn't care.)

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 2:23pm

    westcoastjan

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    More BC headlines March 12

    Recently retired doctors in B.C. being asked to come back to work if COVID-19 worsens

    Attendee at major dental conference in Vancouver tests positive for COVID-19

    2 confirmed cases of COVID-19 at West Vancouver care home

     

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 2:48pm

    shimz

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    What I am seeing in Sweden

    My biggest worry is that of stealth infections. Pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic spread is considered possible but not likely to be the main engine of the spread. Spread outside of helth care situations is thought to be mainly through droplets and close contacts. Of course this affects the strategies and I am assuming Mr Badger is out of the bag since about two weeks.

    There is a huge demand for PPE all over Europe and countries are asked to put what they have to best use so they won't run out. Following that, Sweden has now changed the testing criteria. Up till now, all known cases have been imported, mostly from Italy and Iran. None of those has been critically ill, many barely had symtoms. But now focus is switching from those mostly healthy ski tourists to the vulnerable ill people at the hospitals - especially those with pneumonia - and health care workers. That's to try and make best use of available resources and at the same time try and make sure the virus won't get established in hospitals.
    Not everyone with possible infection will be tested, those with mild illness is asked to self-treat at home. You wouldn't want to end up with a situation where all the PPE is used up for tests with nothing left for actual care in hospitals.

    Public gatherings with more than 500 people are banned. The limit is calculated with the risk of travel in mind. If it's a 500+ gathering, it's more likely to have participants from all over the country that could bring a possible contagion back home with them.

    There has been some discussion about school closures, and the legislation is made ready, but since such a step would have huge implications on society it's not taken lightly. It's considered, but will only be put in place if and when the situation requires it and the gain will be judged to be bigger than the drawbacks. In Sweden, normally both parents work full time, so a school closure would mean at least one of the parents would have to stay home unable to work. That would have a huge effect, with doctors, nurses, police officers and others staying home at a time when they are more needed than ever. Or it could mean that the children would be taken care of by their elderly and to this virus very vulnerable grand parents - the same group we are trying to protect.

    How good or bad this strategy will prove only time will tell. It's out there now and we've got to handle it the best we can. At least authorities are taking it very seriously and is clearly making an effort being as transparent as they possibly can, though weighing their words very carefully. This week we have had daily pressconferences to inform the public, and national TV has a live online chat with news updates as well as Q&A. It's certainly not perfect but it's not head in the sand either.

    Pandemic is declared but this far I see no panic. Canned soup is selling well as is toilet paper, but shelves are refilled quickly. Hand sanitizer is getting harder to find, but I see no panic. People are clearly worried to various degrees, but nowhere near panicking.

    My own generation haveparents born during or shortly after WW2. We grew up with a sense that the unknown and unexpected might happen and that we need to be prepared for it. Some memory of that still lingers I believe, at least in people 50+. So we need to wake up and remember what we already knew. And ofc add new knowledge to it.
    We're up for a rough ride, for many reasons, but I don't believe it is a hopeless one.

    (Oh and about those old respirators that were banned because they were crafted before EU safety measures: exceptions will be approved for Mr Badger.)

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 4:42pm

    Bren

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    Possible media for DIY masks.

    While thinking about the issue of self made masks, I suddenly remembered a segment from a techbology review show from my childhood called Beyond 2000.

    In the segment, scientists were researching the use of items available to impoverished rural Indians in order to help them filter tainted water. They found that wrapping sari cloth around the orifice of the household filter mechanism/container to a depth of four layers worked as well then professionally made field filtering devices. If I recall properly, the home made solution fought off even Cholera.

    Actually searching in Google for sari prompts one to consider "sari water filter".

    Cheers,

    Bren

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 7:50pm

    flushman

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    Trojan Malware infection in PeakProsperity

    When I returned to this site yesterday (3/11/2020), my MalwareBytes program informed me this site was infected with a Trojan and advised not proceding to the site. I did anyway, and found a news video instead of Chris's usual daily update video.

    Now I find the usual update video, but am still warned against this site due to Trojan infection. Going to different pages on the site result in the same warning.

    The ChrisMartenson.com site results in the Trojan warning also.

    Has anyone else experienced this warning? Is it for real? Seems like some foul play is occurring.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 9:14pm

    bhilder

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    Possible media for DIY masks.

    The 3M Filtrete 2200 furnace filters look like they filter viruses.   Checkout the symbol in the lower left corner of this photo.  The accordion paper filter media could be made into filter cores, or could be McGyvered into a mask.  ( Note: this is only an idea, and is not qualified )

      3M Filtrete 2200These 3Mfurnace air filters are advertised to work on viruses. Look at lower left corner.

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  • Thu, Mar 12, 2020 - 11:02pm

    nordicjack

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    Local store has no food

    My wife went to the 24 grocery store at 1 am hoping to find it not busy/  No such luck - busy as heck.. However, no food , no juice, no meat , no milk.  no water.   I expected this - but not so fast.. I am not sure if this is just panic buying . I guess. people waited too long.. I was ready..  this is why you prepare early.. But if everyone did this.. ther would still  be food.  But they all ran in the last 3 days..  Anyhow.. Dont know when it will get better of if

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 4:36am

    schwedischdemokratischrepublik

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    Callous, self-serving Swedish gov't hanging us out to dry

    Please cover this, Chris.

    Swedish CDC has announced that all regions of our country will no longer be doing testing for the virus, unless you are already admitted to hospital for the disease or is in "high risk group." The head of our CDC says "it is no longer important to find out the number of infected." Which is bullshit and will lead to more spread when cases aren't found and tracked. It is obvious they are worried about backlash against the government if it becomes to obvious how miserably they have failed so they are trying to cover up the extent of the epidemic. Hoping it will burn through us unnoticed. Like in China. They just don't care about us at all or at least they care way more about protecting themselves and their hold on power.

    https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/samhalle/a/70GQRV/nya-strategin--slutar-rakna-exakta-antalet-coronafall

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 5:10am

    schwedischdemokratischrepublik

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    Then again...

    Then again, it is possible they seriously think that halting testing of suspected cases will help the healthcare system cope with the more serious cases. That they simply lack understanding that not finding "mild" cases leads to more spread and more seriously ill people. It is possible because these people running the gov't agencies are not professionals, they are political activists put in their positions by the gov't to further their agendas.

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 5:40am

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    Michigan Status Update

    Well Michigan went from 2 to 12 confirmed cases in one day.  More widespread across the state centered in counties with larger populations.  Majority had travel histories.

    All schools are closed.  All High School sports are cancelled.  People went bat shit crazy overnight, a lot of the stores near the inner city of Detroit were decimated by panic shoppers.  Basically all food stuffs including fresh are gone.  They showed a guy with his pickup truck with cab stuffed to the brim with just TP.  These people gonna have no food, but their hinies are going to be squeaky clean.

    The state of Michigan presented some interim recommendations yesterday.

    MDHHS_Interim_Recommendations_for_COVID-19_final_683589_7

    My work is now finally having a meeting to discuss this further after my prodding for 4 weeks.  Hopefully me and my T1 Diabetes get to STFH.

    UPDATE EDIT:

    Well the meeting was just held, the one thing I hate about the pharma business is that all these top level managers think that they are experts with anything disease related.  Started throwing out R naught and why the curve needs to be flattened to stave off a medical system collapse.  All I got was stares like I was speaking a foreign language, all they wanted to talk about was business continuity, supply chain, and schedule adherence.  Sorry, that princess cruise ship has already sailed.  No talk of persons that are is high risk groups, they actually said if your got sick you could then work from home.  Really, my next stop if I get sick could very well be a morgue.

    I ended up talking to our VP of Regulatory Affairs after the meeting whose daughter works at the white house.  It appears that some sort of countrywide quarantine (She mentioned 7 days) is being considered/discussed.   Not enough in my opinion, and if it isn't implemented quickly can you imagine the total CF that will occur at the grocery stores across the nation.

    Hopefully I can make it to next Thursday, still taking my vacation days, unless quarantine occurs.

    Take care out there.

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 8:01am

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    More bureaucratic doublespeak from the European Space Agency (ESA) as ExoMars delayed due to Covid travel restrictions

    This project is already behind, but in typical corporate manipulation, Roscosmos has elected to invoke Covid as a force majeure delay to release them from schedule penalties.

    We'll see more of this.  Small business may find this Covid as force majeure used against them by bigger players to transfer the risk to mainstreet.

    "European Space Agency (ESA) and the Roscosmos Space Corporation have decided to postpone the launch of the second ExoMars mission to study the Red Planet to 2022."

    "We have made a difficult but well-weighed decision to postpone the launch to 2022. It is driven primarily by the need to maximise the robustness of all ExoMars systems as well as force majeure circumstances related to exacerbation of the epidemiological situation in Europe which left our experts practically no possibility to proceed with travels to partner industries."

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 8:21am

    ao

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    the view from UP here

    Thanks for the chuckle, ddelong.  In the Upper Peninsula, looks like we're going to have squeaky clean hinies as well, lol.  My wife went on a final shopping trip for a while yesterday afternoon.  An entire row of toilet paper was picked clean with just a few packages of the most undesirable and expensive stuff left.  Hand sanitizer, wipes, bleach, hydrogen peroxide, alcohol, all gone.  Food stocks were a little down but there was still plenty of it.

    Our daughter texts my wife yesterday (from Chicago area) and asks if we can ship her some hand sanitizer.  The reply I told my wife to send her was, "What were you doing more than a month ago when Dad told you to stock up?"  I sent both my kids PPE but figured they could at least pick up things like hand sanitizer themselves.

    No official cases here yet but the local university has gone to online classes and large scale events are being cancelled.  Two other universities in the UP have gone to online classes as well.

    This area, being more geographically isolated, generally lags behind the rest of the country in everything.  But there is definitely an air of growing concern.

    I have been struggling back and forth with the decision to travel 1100 miles back East myself. I want to get my Mom's house ready for sale and sold but I'd be heading right into the storm so to speak. NJ has the highest population density in the country and a high percentage of Asians suggesting there has probably been more than average travel into the area from overseas.  We have no resources there like we do here.  If they cordon off the area and/or ban travel, that is the last place I would want to get stuck. I did some rough calculations and figure the house is costing me $700 per month to maintain (taxes, utilities, insurance). I don't like wasting that money but it's a small price to pay for our health and well being.

    Normally, I'm very decisive and my wife is surprised that I am not that way in this situation. I explained to her that it is a fluid situation and we need to play it by ear. I would love to head back towards the end of March and get it over with but may, for safety sake, delay the trip until June or even later.  I hate giving up any of my nice weather here in the UP during that time of year (and it's garden planting time) but I may just have to do that.

    It's a bummer having the money and time to travel now that I'm retired but not being able to. I will lose about $500 in cruise credits if I don't rebook a cruise by the end of April but right now, I may well let that money go. There are a lot of people stuck in other countries now due to various types of travel bans and I can relate from our experience in Colombia last year, that would be a terrible situation to be stuck in between the expense and the psychological stress of not knowing.

    So for the time being, we're just hunkering down here and observing events.  Luckily, we have the luxury here of being able to get out of doors without running into other people, if we so choose.

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 8:44am

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    The broader implications of information suppression

    Explicit "Don't test, don't tell" evidence from Seattle and how to win with facts...

    https://stratechery.com/2020/zero-trust-information/

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 9:13am

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    View from Southern WA

    Nice play on words AO : )   I am drinking UP a nice cup of Chaga tea as I write this.

    I find myself in the worst hit State in the Union, WA.  Where I sit in the Vancouver, WA area (not to be confused with Jan's Vancouver, Canada) I am sandwiched between the breakout to the North in the Seattle area that is hitting senior care facilities, and a growing number of cases in the Portland, OR area just South, across the Columbia river.  We have had only one case test positive in the Vancouver area, and the last bunch (eight if I recall) tested were all negative, so we are not in the cluster, cluster, stage yet, such that we could (and hopefully will) arrest the Boom stage where I live.  I am still going into work, and my step daughter is still going to school, but I expect both of these will change in the next week or two.  I can work from home if need be.

    Toilet paper is hard to find.  I am well stocked and have been for some time based on the outlook.  Still working on my study of boosting immune system function, attacking from as many different vectors as possible.  As of yesterday I added quercetin (natural bioflavenoids) to my Zinc supplementation on the expectation (scientific details posted on another thread last night if interested) that quercetin will help boost intracellular Zinc, where it can do it's work in disrupting viral RNA transcription.  Best regards to all,  Jim

     

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 9:36am

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    The Dilemma In Front of Healthcare Workers

    Infection control nurse administrators explain to our emergency department staff the Official Guidelines and urge us all to follow them to the letter.  The implied message is that

    "If everyone follows the official guidelines, we will all be OK."

    However, it is my impression that these official guidelines are inadequate and will not protect against a virus with Ro of 4-6 and at least some documented aerosol spread.  Health care workers (HCWs) will get infected and pay a heavy price.  This is what has happened in Italy.

    The impact of sick HCWs.

    1.  Sick HCW will not show up for work.  The remaining HCWs are  overworked, hurried, frightened.  This environment will lead to MORE contamination incidents. HCWs will carry the virus home to children and will then miss work again when the children are sick.

    2.  PPE will be run low and get reused.  Putting on contaminated PPE will contaminate the under clothing layer.  The clothing of the HCW will have fomites (droplets of liquid with virons) on it.  Even without reuse, errors will occur. We have no provision to shower at work or use hospital supplied scrubs which can be left at work for industrial laundering.  HCWs will wear their infected clothing home, un-showered, contaminating their cars, homes and family members.

    3.  Infected HCWs will spread the virus throughout the hospital driving away the PAYING PATIENTS who fill the ELECTIVE SURGERY SCHEDULES that provide the revenue that keeps small hospitals solvent.  These elective paying patients will disappear.  Hospitals will plunge into the red.

    Why Would Institutions Publish Ineffective Guidelines?

    I understand why TPTB would publish guidelines that are inadequate.  We simply do not have the equipment (PAPRs, Tyvek suits) and decontamination infrastructures (showers and spray down areas for donning and doffing) in our hospitals to do this effectively.  Most hospitals do not have staff showers or hospital supplied and laundered scrubs, defined changing areas with waste disposal, an assistant to help with doffing.  It just isn't there.  Our hospitals just CANNOT do it right.

    Suppose that TPTB were to explain that the guideline they recommend are known to be inadequate and that 60% of HCW will get infected, many HCW would quit work immediately crashing the medical system.  We can't have that.  So, just a little white lie.  Offer firm guidelines and explain with confidence.  Discourage HCWs from thinking too critically about the process.  "Just follow the guidelines."

    So TPTB will rely on the HCW's  1)  trust in authority, and 2) idealism to induce HCW to continued work.   (This idealism is similar to the way the love-of-country and love-of-religion ideals are used to induce young men to go to war.)

    It is after all, just a little white lie, intended for the greater good.

    Fallen HCW will have a memorial erected to their heroism.

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 9:46am

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    Great Article Bitterbaldguy

    Firstly, I love your name.  It could have been my husbands, lol.

    Secondly, the article reflects that the US has proven to have the same gatekeepers to suppress information and testing that China did.  Fortunately, the internet can assist us in bypassing incompetent gatekeepers.

    Highly recommend you read the article especially the end.  Read how flu-study-team was told to stop testing!

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 10:08am

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    Re - The Dilemma of Health Care Workers

    The grave risk to Health Care Workers is a result of systems and governments that Do Not make the wellbeing of people a priority but rather profit and control.

    A positive - the internet can take this story to the people.

    Keep posting Sandpuppy we need to know and share this information.

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 10:28am

    Wintergreen

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    I Like Some Games, But Not Russian Roulette

    OMG!  This video is infuriating.

    I normally work the polls in Ohio.  I'd been deliberating about whether I should take the chance next Tuesday, and whether I felt like absorbing the abuse for showing up in a mask & goggles, which seemed the only self-responsible option to me.

    Then I received an email today from our Secretary of State's office linking this video.  I find it jaw-dropping in its level of ignorance, not to mention how insulting and manipulative it is:  "irrational fears" "extraordinary measures" "arm's length away" "neighborhood gathering" "feeling healthy that day" GMAFB.

    Our polling location could likely process +/- one THOUSAND voters, based on past experience.  And Ohio did not even receive their test kits for Co19 until LAST WEEK.  In order to process the voters, they have to hand us their ID, and tap information into the same tablet we enter information into, all this while standing 2-1/2 feet across a table from us.  We might as well all hold hands and hug.

    "If you're healthy..."  Ri-iii-ight.  Because we all know only sick people can catch viruses.  BTW, the comment left below the video on YouTube is accurate--probably half the people AT LEAST (me included) who work the polls are in the high-risk age group.

    I really wanted to work this election, but I'm not exactly dying to.  At least I may be able to stop worrying about catching the virus because there's so much wrong with the statements in this freaking video that it's going to make my head explode first.  Like I trust these idiots with my health.  What was that thing about the Fourth Turning again? >:(

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 11:12am

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    Quit my job today

    My wife and I decided it was time to self isolate with our two kids. It is spreading in Oregon and my employer has its head in the sand. I had a good job that paid very well, but I keep thinking about people in Pompey that waited to see what would happen with Vesuvius. They were probably well meaning people, definitely not the type to take action (panic in media parlance). They were the wait and see types. Well, wait and see, won’t do you much good if you get a bad case of this thing. So, I made the decision. We may still get it, but at least I won’t be a sitting duck for this thing. We will do our best to minimize exposure.

    The final straw for me was when a customer came in yesterday snuffling and wiping his nose. Hopefully he did not carry it, but it sent me over the edge. He was one of the types that thinks it’s all a hoax so why should he care to stay home when he just has the sniffles? That did it for me.

    Thank you to Chris and all of you. This site may have saved my family. Without the daily confirmation of facts I probably would have thought I was insane. I pray for all your safety!

    God Bless!

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 11:33am

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    You go, Andrew! And Mom's nursing home banning visitors...

    You go, Andrew!!  Deciding to quit your job to protect your family takes a lot of courage!  Good luck to all of you!

    I just found out from my sister-in-law that my family and I are now barred from visiting my elderly mom in the nursing home (the general public is no longer allowed in). 🙁   I certainly understand and appreciate the rationale.  But it is hard... she's 93, and not all there after a couple of strokes. Our visits (my brother's family and me) and shared time singing together to songs played by visiting musicians, and simply holding hands or scratching her back,  were simple pleasures we all enjoyed.  (I know:  that sentence alone provides multiple reasons why they need to do the ban!)  We can still call, but it won't be the same.  🙁

     

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 11:34am

    ao

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    Wintergreen, thanks for that video

    I had a different response than you though.  I wasn't infuriated (although years ago, I would have been).  I was amused.  Watching these two idiot stooges spew forth their BS was like watching the verbal equivalent of slapstick comedy.  If they are really that stupid, I feel sorry for them.  But if they are not, it just shows the contempt they have for the intelligence of the average citizen.  Personally, I hope not one single poll worker shows up for them.  It'll serve 'em right.

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 11:42am

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    Megathreads Now Updated To 3/9, PLUS New Subject Files

    The Megathreads which pull together the comments from the videos, blog posts and articles here on Peak Prosperity have now been updated to 3/9/2020. You can view them online here:

    Peak Prosperity Covid19 Library of Files

    PLUS, I have now started compiling comments by subject to make it easier for you to find the information you need. Click on the "Blog" link at the top of the page.

    Right now I have them for Vitamin C, UV Light & Ozone, and Elderberry. More to come.

    You can also request copies of all files sent to you. PM me and include your email address and the files you want.

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 11:46am

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    Should Be Plenty Of Job Openings This Summer

    Good decision Andrew. I'd take a well deserved vacation, play with the kids and spend time with your spouse. There should be plenty of job openings this Summer based on how badly the government has screwed the response.

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 12:01pm

    Wintergreen

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    "Extraordinary Measures"

    Part of my emotional response was perhaps disappointment, because I like being a small part of  history by working big elections.  I also dislike being pushed around, so the guilt-tripping and insinuation that any fear we had was irrational was really insulting.

    BTW, those "extra ordinary measures" they refer to?  They're providing workers with gloves and hand sanitizer.  Now, if everyone can just hold their breath for 16 hours...

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 12:23pm

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    Wintergreen - I am with ao on this one.

    Its pure manipulation to have TPTB suggest that workers are “afraid and panicking” if they don’t behave in the manner that those in power want them to.

    The power of one!

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 12:39pm

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    Just awful!!

    Sand Puppy, that's just unconscionable!  If they understand the ramifications as you explained them, isn't that criminally negligent homicide?  Our health care workers shouldn't have to put themselves (and the general public) to that degree of risk, to do their job.  Just awful!

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 1:00pm

    ao

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    update from Michigan

    By executive order of the governor, all K-12 schools are closed for 3 weeks.  All gatherings and events with over 250 people are temporarily banned.

    That sure escalated quickly!

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 1:25pm

    westcoastjan

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    BC and Canada [email protected] March 13 noon

    Coronavirus: B.C. urges end to large gatherings, international travel, including to U.S.

    advising people not to travel - even to USA. People close to border to go over to grab a jug of milk or whatever may have to self-quarantine for 14 days. I guess people def need to STFH!

    Cruise ships carrying over 500 people unable to stop in Canada until July 1

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6674205/lions-gate-hospital-coronavirus/ - 3 admin staff tested positive

    BC Hydro launches program to help coronavirus-affected customers with their bills

    Canada’s cyber agency dismantling fake government coronavirus pandemic response websites

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/military-travel-halted-covid-19-1.5496537

    More later....

     

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 2:03pm

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    PPE availability

    When you order something as you normally do, and pay for it in advance, you expect it to arrive without issues. If it doesn't, it's inconvenient but rarely dangerous.

    When a country or state orders something, pays for it, and then the seller suddely decides they won't deliver, then you're in bigger trouble. Especcially if what was ordered was PPE equipment.

    A lot of efforts is made to increase domestic production, which is mostly running around the clock now, though it will still be a challenge to cope.

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 3:41pm

    Zana Hart

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    Dream vacation lands in the midst of history, tragedy

    Article by the editor of our small-town New Mexico newspaper, about his recent trip to Italy with his mother. They got home okay.

    http://www.scdailypress.com/site/2020/03/13/dream-vacation-lands-in-the-midst-of-history-tragedy/

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  • Fri, Mar 13, 2020 - 5:53pm

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    Wintergreen said:

    Ugh, just checked the YouTube page out of curiosity--they've removed all the critical comments people left to the video.  Well, except for one that is just a link to another YouTube post.  It's from some cowboy movie, and the guy says:  "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining."  That one probably won't last long either.

    That censoring of responses makes me doubly glad I told them where to stick it.  It is heartening, though, to see my fellow citizens calling them out for their BS.  🙂

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:33pm

    Wintergreen

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    Better Late Than Never

    Well, lookee there.  After trying to twist people's arms, insult their intelligence, BS them about the hazards, and shame them into working the polls, today Ohio decided to postpone our primary election from tomorrow until June.

    That odd noise you heard a few minutes ago was me screaming "DUH!"  Sheesh.

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