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    Welcome To The Interregnum

    Your unease has a name: Zozobra
    by Chris Martenson

    Friday, November 20, 2020, 8:17 PM

We’re between things.  It’s an uncomfortable place.

We are transitioning from an old story into a new one and that has folks feeling anxious.   By “we” I mean everyone on the planet.  If you find yourself with a deep sense of unease, yet unable to quite pin it down, you will find this article extremely helpful.

The old story of endless growth on a finite planet is winding down.  Whatever replaces it won’t be a continuation of the past.  Things are going to have to change, whether we like it or not.

Put more bluntly: the easy times are over, and a period of disruption has begun.

It may be many years or even decades before thing truly settle into a new equilibrium (of sorts – there really isn’t any such thing in this ever-changing universe).  The old will fall away even before the new has arrived. That process has already begun, hence the nervousness, anger, and fear.

My day job is serving as an information scout, an ambassador of the unknown, and because of that I’m acutely aware of the degree to which people are already worn down, burnt out, and unable to process any more.

Folks are so exhausted by the trials and tribulations dished up by the crazy-making machine fondly referred to as “2020,” that many are paralyzed.  Unable to take new actions because they are overwhelmed.

Yet, as I wrote recently, no choice IS a choice.  When so much is changing and so much is on the line, remaining frozen with anxiety is as much a determinant of your future prospects as taking swift action – each sets one down different paths promising different outcomes.

Truthfully, there is much that can be done that will contribute to a more resilient future for yourself and for the world.  But first we have to know where we are.  We have to sketch out the map as best we can, even if the edges remain blanks with little more than “there be monsters” scribed at the borders.

Monster Map

To orient properly, you must be aware of the idea that the Age of Growth is over.  We are now entering a Post-Growth era. Our task now is to settle into a very different existence – one with fewer ‘things’ and less ‘stuff’, but also offering more meaning and worthy challenges.

Like any good adventure, a little danger is involved.  But nothing quite so dangerous to your soul’s journey as wasting your life on trivial pursuits.

The Interregnum

The gap between reigns when the old king has died but the new successor has yet to be decided is called an interregnum.  It can also refer to the gap between first learning of something and then finally understanding its deeper significance:

in·ter·reg·num, noun

a period when normal government is suspended, especially between successive reigns or regimes.

– an interval or pause between two periods of office or other things. “the interregnum between the discovery of radioactivity and its detailed understanding”

I love this word because it perfectly matches our current state.

One feature of an interregnum, where power hangs in the balance, is that it’s a very uncertain time.  Anxiety rules the day because nobody knows how things might land.  It could be good for them personally, or very bad.  The old king was good.  His successor son is an already hated petty tyrant.  Perhaps a different, better successor will somehow manage to claim the throne instead…

This sort of uncertainty is a potent source of anxiety. Which is why an interregnum is the cradle of people’s most deep-seated fears.

The old king is gone.  Nobody knows who or what is in charge right now.  Is it humanity’s deep technological prowess or is it Mother Nature herself?

Does our destiny lie in our own hands or have the die already been cast and we’re simply awaiting to see how unfortunate of a roll it’s going to be?

Is there still time to sort out a decent solution to our many predicaments and problems, or have those moments already been wasted?

Nobody knows at this moment.  But the uncertainty is hanging thick.  Corrosive.  Emotional.  Explosive.

Welcome to the interregnum.  May the odds ever be in your favor.

Demoralization

Now while the above may sound depressing, as I’ve written before the better term is demoralizing, and there’s a very important distinction between the two terms.

Depression is a reaction to current circumstances. It can be treated with talk therapy to resolve an inner conflict, or temporary chemical rebalancing.

Demoralization, on the other hand, is what you experience when your cognitive map no longer aligns with the actual circumstances of life:

Rather than a depressive disorder, demoralization is a type of existential disorder associated with the breakdown of a person’s ‘cognitive map’. It is an overarching psycho-spiritual crisis in which victims feel generally disoriented and unable to locate meaning, purpose or sources of need fulfilment.

The world loses its credibility, and former beliefs and convictions dissolve into doubt, uncertainty and loss of direction.

Frustration, anger and bitterness are usual accompaniments, as well as an underlying sense of being part of a lost cause or losing battle. The label ‘existential depression’ is not appropriate since, unlike most forms of depression, demoralization is a realistic response to the circumstances impinging on the person’s life.

(Source)

Did you catch that? Demoralization is actually a realistic response under certain conditions.

Those conditions are manifesting themselves now. Which means that the waves of dispiriting statistics we’re seeing are not ‘bad’; they are telling us something important.

People are right to be deeply disturbed by the ways in which the main narrative of their culture no longer maps to reality.  Worse, the Endless Growth narrative is killing life on this planet and therefore harming each of us in ways both overt and subtle.

More and more people are detecting that, and that’s a good thing. Because that’s the necessary first step in crafting a new narrative and adopting a different model that hopefully serves us better.

We often say here at Peak Prosperity that if you’re feeling anxiety (or demoralization), it means that there’s a gap between what you know and what you’re doing.  Since you can’t unlearn something, your best course of action is to change your behavior.

To take action to better align what you know with what you do.

I totally get the frustration, anger and bitterness on display in politics all across the West right now, but these are almost universally misdirected at the wrong targets.  Whether by intent or accident, this is usually the case and heavily supported by a media system that actually promotes divisiveness over unity, and isolation over connection.

(Source – PeakProsperity – The End of Growth)

Bottom line: If you are demoralized there’s nothing wrong with you.  But there is definitely something wrong with the larger situation.

If you know someone who is demoralized, don’t try to ‘fix’ them by helping them fit back into their old lives better.  The problem isn’t with their ability to adapt.  The problem is they are already adapting to what is coming.  They’re ahead of the curve, not behind it.  They just see the new curve before you do.

With that critical framing for the word demoralization, we can now go a bit deeper.  But first, I want to introduce an important term relating to demoralization: Zozobra.  It describes a potent sensation one might experience during an interregnum, especially if demoralization is in play.

Zozobra

I came across this article very recently and have now read it a few times. It’s pitch perfect.

It neatly captures the context of demoralization.  By naming it we can begin to understand it, know its presence, and reduce its unconscious hold on us:

There’s a word for your overwhelming anxiety, and it’s “zozobra”

Nov 3rd, 2020

Ever had the feeling that you can’t make sense of what’s happening? One moment everything seems normal, then suddenly the frame shifts to reveal a world on fire, struggling with pandemic, recession, climate change, and political upheaval.

That’s “zozobra,” the peculiar form of anxiety that comes from being unable to settle into a single point of view, leaving you with questions like: Is it a lovely autumn day, or an alarming moment of converging historical catastrophes?

The word “zozobra” is an ordinary Spanish term for “anxiety” but with connotations that call to mind the wobbling of a ship about to capsize. The term emerged as a key concept among Mexican intellectuals in the early 20th century to describe the sense of having no stable ground and feeling out of place in the world.

This feeling of zozobra is commonly experienced by people who visit or immigrate to a foreign country: the rhythms of life, the way people interact, everything just seems “off” – unfamiliar, disorienting and vaguely alienating.

According to the philosopher Emilio Uranga (1921-1988), the telltale sign of zozobra is wobbling and toggling between perspectives, being unable to relax into a single framework to make sense of things. As Uranga describes it in his 1952 book “Analysis of Mexican Being”:

“Zozobra refers to a mode of being that incessantly oscillates between two possibilities, between two affects, without knowing which one of those to depend on … indiscriminately dismissing one extreme in favor of the other. In this to and fro the soul suffers, it feels torn and wounded.”

What makes zozobra so difficult to address is that its source is intangible. It is a soul-sickness not caused by any personal failing, nor by any of the particular events that we can point to.

Instead, it comes from cracks in the frameworks of meaning that we rely on to make sense of our world — the shared understanding of what is real and who is trustworthy, what risks we face and how to meet them, what basic decency requires of us and what ideals our nation aspires to.

(Source)

What ‘cracks in the framework of meaning’ could be more profound than facing the collapse of – well – everything?  Our many predicaments exist at all levels from top to bottom.  There’s no safe level on which to ride out the coming storm.  There’s nowhere to run.  There’s only right where you are.

When everything seems “off” – unfamiliar, disorienting and vaguely alienating, then you’re in some sort of foreign land.  You are out of bounds, off all of your known maps.  There’s no sense of place, nowhere to settle down. Zozobra.

When everything is wobbling and up for grabs, you wouldn’t be entirely human if you weren’t experiencing some sort of emotional unease.  AS with the adjustment reaction, an emotional arc is simply a part of the process.  Both unavoidable and necessary.

Those who navigate uncertainty best are those who process the quickest.  As always, having a good mental map, and the right terms, is helpful to that process.

Conclusion

If you are feeling nervous, angry or fearful – congratulations! – there’s nothing at all wrong with you.  In fact, your senses are operating normally, and your cognition is on the mark.  You are having an adjustment reaction, your cognitive map has a better grasp on reality than your culture, and zozobra is par for the course.

The most valuable part of naming and understanding these things is that they lose their ability to paralyze you with dread.

Our emotions are not “the truth”, but rather uncomfortable sensations that serve as an early warning system.  They are like a quantum processor able to parse through massively complex systems and situations way before our cortex can offer any guidance.

There’s also a comfort – a relief – that comes from understanding that our reactions are both perfectly normal and perfectly healthy.

There’s nothing that requires treatment. Nothing that requires medication. Nothing at all to be done about any of it.  Except knowing what it is, getting past whatever paralysis might exist as rapidly as possible, and then taking action.

Because you alone can’t alter the larger trends of ecological destruction, monetary printing, insane political responses, etc. and so forth, all that truly remains is for you to align your actions with what you know to be true.

And there’s so much to be done.  Soils need to be rebuilt.  Waste streams reformed into nutrient loops.  Energy efficiency to be built into the next generation of – everything.

The lists are as endless as they are exciting. And you can play a role, both at the individual level as well as contributing positively at the collective one.

Yes, there’s a “great reset” coming.  Whether it will be controlled and precise or a nature-driven chaotic mess remains to be seen.

But right now, you need to make a choice: You can either actively shape your future or wait to be shaped by it.

I’m all about controlling what I can and leaving the rest behind.  Maybe you are, too.

If so, then you’re part of our tribe here at Peak Prosperity.  We’re busying preparing for what is increasingly likely to consist of more macro chaos than control.

You know, to avoid being demoralized with an overwhelming sense of zozobra during this interregnum.

In Part 2: Moving Ahead With Purpose, Optimism & Grace we provide further essential grounding for persevering through the coming change, and I share the latest steps that I’m taking in my own personal life to dive head-first into the interregnum with positive and enthusiastic intent.

I plan to meet the future on my terms. Will you?

Click here to read Part 2 of this report (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access).

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 4:40am

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    macro2682

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    Huge quote:

    This is the most elegantly accurate sentence I’ve read in years:

    “[Emotions] are like a quantum processor able to parse through massively complex systems and situations way before our cortex can offer any guidance.]

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 4:49am

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    Prep101

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    Solution: 1) be resilent, 2) deal with what the planners of the Great Reset have in store for you

    Yes, being resilient is an important part of the key. The Peak Prosperity website is a suberb resource for this.

    But, just being resilient is not enough. The blueprint of the Great Reset of the Powers That Shouldn't Be is to control all land, all water, all minerals, etc. They will start the assault on ordinary people with regulations, for example by cutting of your access to water, access to the road, or preventing you to build things on your land via permits. You cannot hide.

    In the words of Rosa Koire:

    While you're out on the land doing your thing, the county planning department is implementing the regional plan that your taxes paid consultants to develop a few years ago. And in accordance with your city county-climate-action-plan and dozens of programs that were developed with the junior college and local environmental non-governmental organizations your options are narrowing.

    Your well is scheduled to be monitored so that your water use can be restricted. Your road access may be removed in conjunction with a land use plan that protects a salamander that seems to be under every rock that you look at. Your property taxes are increasing because your crop is not productive enough to change your designated use from rural residential to agricultural so that your taxes can be lowered. Your diesel tractor has been outlawed. You can't get a real estate loan because your fire and disaster insurance premiums have skyrocketed and you can't pay them. So that means you have to pay cash for your property and you have no protection if there's a disaster.

    Rules, restrictions, penalties, fines, fees have blocked you from burning your wood and your stove, clearing your land of stumps and rocks, paving or grading your driveway, building more than one house on your land without permits, building a barn without a permit, cutting down a tree, diverting water from the creek, putting a bakery on your property, collecting rainwater, relocating the wild animal that's been killing your livestock. That's what's happening out there in the wild areas where you're thinking about going.

    Fortunately, she comes up with a good - but not always easy SOLUTION:

    Go to your city-council meeting, know what is going on, educate yourself, and be active. Support local people and not groups that are funded by the international globalist groups. She says a lot more about the solution on:

    Where Can You Go To Escape Agenda 21? With Rosa Koire:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8EfWWE21Y4&feature=emb_title

    Take note that Agenda 2030 which is covered in what Chris covered in his review of the Great Reset is a reboot of Agenda 21 (agenda for the 21 century), in case you where wondering what the title is about.

    in the As Chris mentioned, the Great Reset starts globally, but it is finding it's way to the national and then regional level.

    You have to understand the globalization is the standardization of all things, all systems. So what does globalization really mean. It means the erasure of the nation-state. You replace it with a single control-mechanism. So how do you do that? You can't just jump right into that. There is an interim step which is regionalization. Regionalization destroys your sovereignty. It destroys your jurisdictional boundaries, thoase entities that you vote for, the municipalities you vote for: city, county, state and federal. Agenda 21, and now Agenda 2030 destroys representative government by boards and commissions. It's governance, not government. It rules over you, it's not influenced by you.

    Here it is explained how you can find Agenda 21 / Agenda 2030 in your own town so you can know how to fight it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSK_jmHczYM&feature=emb_logo

    If you want more information how you can prepare for the Great Reset, and apart from building resiliency how you can fight Agenda 21 / Agenda 2030 you can go to:

    https://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 5:21am

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    brushhog

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    "There is no good or bad...

    ...but thinking makes it so" -William Shakespeare.

    Do you know the story of the Chinese farmer?

    Once there was a Chinese farmer. He left the gate open to his corral and his plow horse ran away. This was seen as a terrible tragedy to all the village people. They gathered at the farmers house to express their sympathies. "the poor farmer, his plow horse has run off and planting season is almost upon us. Surely he will starve".

    The women clucked and the men stood around shaking their heads. "Isnt this terrible?" they asked the silent farmer, to which he shrugged his shoulders and said "maybe".

    All the village people looked at each other, thinking the man had lost his senses. "His plow horse gone, planting season almost here, facing starvation and he says "maybe?!".

    A few days went by and the horse returned, bringing with it 7 wild horses which had followed it back from the plains. They all followed the horse into the corral, and the farmer closed the gate.

    All the village people ran out in an excited flurry. "Fortune has smiled on you! Not only do you have your horse back, but you now have 7 more!" To which the quiet farmer simply shrugged and said, "maybe".

    Now the village people were sure the man had lost his mind. Why doesnt he rejoice? Not only will he not starve but he has gained good wealth with these new horses!

    A week later the farmer's son was breaking the new horses and he fell and broke his leg. Again, the villagers came around to express their sympathy. "Poor farmer is once again in a bad way. Now he will have no help to put in his crop this year. Isnt this terrible?". To which the farmer simply shrugged and answered "Maybe".

    The next week government men came to the village to conscript the young men for soldiers. The Farmer's son had a broken leg and so he was spared. The regimen from that village was marched almost directly to the front lines where most of the young men died in a great battle.

    To which, the villagers once again went to the farmers house and said "you are so fortunate! Your son was injured by those horses and was spared" to which the farmer shrugged and replied......Maybe.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 6:07am

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    or more succintly

    The Old Man Lost His Horse.

    Actual phrase in (transliterated) chinese:  Sài wēng shī mǎ

    I tried the phrase out on a friend of mine from Taiwan.  He stared at me (I'm sure my tones weren't correct), and then once he figured out what I was trying to say, pronounced it properly, and then promptly accused me of sounding like his grandfather.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_old_man_lost_his_horse

    I kinda feel this way about COVID.  If not for this "pandemic", my knowledge of how to take care of my own "terrain" would be ... vastly lower than it is today.  My confidence in my own ability to find out the truth - on medical issues - is also an order of magnitude stronger than before.

    The old man lost his horse.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 6:17am

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    I relate to demoralized

    Some of the things we are facing have been obviously developing for years, the pension crisis, baby boomer retirement bubble, over population, the debt bubble and the end of cheap energy have all been glaringly obvious.

    If that’s not enough, we’ve added some challenges to the mix.  Covid-19 came out of the blue.  If you were expecting it, I wasn’t.

    Additionally, decades ago, when I was already worried about many of the coming roadblocks, I never expected self inflicted health issues to become the norm.

    A few days ago I was reading a Covid article that talked about comorbidities.  It stated that something like 34% of the US has diabetes and something like 36% are prediabetic.  That’s 70% of the people in the US, which is not surprisingly the same percent of people in the US who are overweight or obese.  I didn’t see this one coming 40 years ago, because it wasn’t happening yet.

    We weren’t always like this.  A while back, Bill Maher poked fun at us, on this topic, and showed a picture of a group of people in the 1970s.  You couldn’t take a picture like that today without staging it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm4TAdiEFn0&feature=share

    Someone mentioned “The Big Reset,” with the implication that it is something that has to be fought tooth and nail, I guess to keep our “rights.”

    Guess what?  Something big has to be done to resolve the big problems we are facing.  I know, basically, what needs to get done, but not how to peacefully get there.

    I don’t entirely identify with a political party, but have been mostly conservative my entire life, however my long held beliefs have become challenged.  Our cherished ideas like capitalism, democracy and freedom are part of what got us to were we are today.  As much as I resist the idea, they will, in my opinion, have to be replaced or modified to reach any form of sustainability.  People are not going to suddenly start having fewer children and living sustainably.

    I’m pointing my finger at myself here as well.  I don’t have a jet ski, ATV, ski boat or bass rig and I don’t support animal agriculture, but the planet cannot sustain 7.8 billion people consuming the amount of energy/resources that I currently consume.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 6:52am

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    Burning Zozobra

    We have a long tradition here in New Mexico of writing out our worst fears and worries and burning them in the hands of the edifice of  Zozobra!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/new-mexicos-zozobra-2020-burning-gloom-away-in-the-age-of-covid-19/ar-BB18M975#:~:text=%20%20%201%20The%20Burning%20of%20Zozobra,Zozobra%20is%20filled%20with%20%22glooms%22%3A%20mistakes%2C...%20More%20

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 6:59am

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    Susan7 said:

    Yes, fears of overpopulation is what will drive millions to happily embrace the New Paradigm. But for me, it’s better to die free, with my integrity, than to live in such a world. And I suppose millions will be happy to be rid of those like me.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 7:06am

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    the future is now

    Lets face it, until the election fraud is revealed in its entirety, and corrected, nothing else will matter. If we lose accurate, faithful representation, all is lost. We will be nothing more than empty biologic units serving life at the pleasure of the world elite. That is the real doomsday. Our nation is the light, even as dim and imperfect as it is, that illuminates the free world. If that goes out, so does humanity.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 7:32am

    ChrisKaz

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    I'm with you Les

    I also see a lot about how we must fight the Great Reset, but little acknowledgement on how our past behaviors have led us to this proposed solution. If the call is to just fight for the same status quo that allows us to continue with our current rates of consumption and worship capitalism in the form of making every dollar you can in profits regardless of the environmental (and moral) consequences then the fight is already lost.

    We need to fight with proposing alternative solutions that are as good for everyone as possible (and the earth environment in general) rather than the solutions that favor the elite. What those are I have no idea which is the cause of my Zozobra (along with a realization that most people refuse to acknowledge this and change their behavior) Regardless of the outcome, our lives will change and our consumption will have to drop, and I love PP for helping me with this. I can at least live by example and be the change I want to see. But my hopes for the majority of people accepting this are not very high...

    Chris

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 7:40am

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    brushhog

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    Avoid hysterical conspiracy nonsense like the plague

    Back in 2016, the left had endless hysterical conspiracy theories surrounding the Trump administration. He was going to round up all the gays and minorities and put them all in camps.

    I have a gay friend who believed this, and many of the people in his circle all, literally, believed that this was going to happen. So we have to take a step back and realize that both sides have a crazy, conspiracy wing. It grows out of people's worst fears.

    Here now we have the right telling us that the evil left is going to 'take all of our land', confiscate all of our wealth and force us to live in green government tenement houses. The most extreme form of communism is about to sweep through the land and within 5 years, you wont be able to own a pencil.

    This stuff is no less hysterical and absurd than the "Trump is Hitler" nonsense from 4 years ago.

    I wont even go through all the reasons why none of that is going to happen, they are obvious to anyone with reason.

    We will get through the Biden administration, the world wont end, you wont be force marched off of your land, and, no, communism isnt coming. You will get higher taxes [ especially if you make over 50k ], they will probably attempt more gun control laws [ with limited effect IMO ], Obama care and the mandate will come back, large multi-national corporations will continue to get rich, the economy will likely enter a depression [ which will curtail even the most extreme leftists ambitions ].

    Thats it. Life is going to go on and the far flung hysterics will only effect you if you read them and allow them to upset you.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 7:42am

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    David McKenney

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    In other words...

    We're done.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 8:40am

    Lisa Mooney

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    Well Said!

    Chris ..Amazing.. You have a way with words keep it up Brother. This sums up exactly how I have been feeling ... So on point indeed.

    Swaying to and fro like a Boat in a storm, our collective compass No longer knows where True North is.

    Instead, it comes from cracks in the frameworks of meaning that we rely on to make sense of our world — the shared understanding of what is real and who is trustworthy, what risks we face and how to meet them, what basic decency requires of us and what ideals our nation aspires to.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 9:04am

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    suziegruber

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    Is it.....

    I love this question:

    Is it a lovely autumn day, or an alarming moment of converging historical catastrophes?

    IMO, this simple question inside the piece on Zozobra provides an important key to riding this intensity.  We must develop the capacity to hold that both are true.  It is a beautiful autumn day here in Ashland and I am going to spend part of it preparing the garden for more fruit trees and at the same time historical catastrophes are converging.  A big part of resilience is being able to ride increasing complexity without being thrown by it.  Now more than ever, emotional preparedness as an antidote to demoralization becomes paramount.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 9:10am

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    johojo said:

    Chris,

    Your post gets to the heart of the malaise of this latter era of Western social culture. Our deepest levels of anxiety are evoked by profound changes in foundations of ordinary “common sense” that we bring from prior experiences, our own as well as inherit from recent forebears. Cybernetic responsiveness of interactively networked computing devices have penetrated into practically every aspect of life. Their effect upon communications and all sorts of social transactions has been to  dissolve earlier and familiar presumptions of stability and durability in the traditional material world, a presumption that has dominated since the Renaissance. We are at the threshold of a new, more complex and demanding era. But beyond immediate pains of transition and sense of loss of familiar expectations, those new prospects offer greater benefits from — AS WELL AS threaten more dire consequences if we do not successfully attain — more inclusive and harmonious modes of sociocultural interaction. (More at www.manifestorders.com/overview.html )

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 9:49am

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    Redneck Engineer said:

    Normally I take political hyperbole with a mountain of salt.

    But today's crisis - monetary, economic, and financial - means we are near the end of the borrow-and-pretend regime of the last 4-5 decades. The debt is blasting off, meaning it is losing its effectiveness to paper over the underlying problems. When - not if - this breaks, the massive unemployment problem coupled with retirees without savings and many wiped out investors will lead to a massive social change.

    Will it be toward or away from freedom? It could go either way, but the I read the signs as leaning heavily toward a socialist leap forward with many wanting and expecting free handouts.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 10:02am

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    O tempora, O mores!

    Well said Suzie.  It IS a beautiful autumn day in central Florida with a chance of a thunderstorm. Some people in the neighborhood have solar water heaters on their roof.  Maybe we will to some day.    There is always something to worry about!

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 12:32pm

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    planfortomorrow said:

    Chris, well done. To the TRIBE, I could relate very much to all of you.

    As for me I have no panic or unease and the reason for this is I have to finish my tasks first before I can contemplate anything right now. I have done and will continue to do my reading and research so I'm right there. All the parts and pieces have arrived now so I need a little more time to get everything put together. So urgency is all I feel right now. Not panic. It is absolutely time for Barb and I to have our HOME up and functioning. We want our home, "The Roost", to lay our heads down, organized and feel safe.

    The plans are in place, we set up and finished last weekend the new area for our cedar open air shower, our outhouse, water hook up and septic. It is very nice, where our guest will sleep and enjoy their time with us. When finished next year I will either send a video or pictures of everything we have done to this site. My only anxiety if I was to call this stage anything right now is in mine and Barb's excitement to get our Cabin up and that will absolutely take place in the Spring.

    Regarding the GREAT RESET: I have no biases or negativity at all in this roll out. I can't pre-judge this as I have no real visual on how it will look. Admittedly I am hopeful. I feel good that if much of what they say is true then give me a plan over Mother Nature anytime. Doing what she thinks is necessary, then I choose a plan. Lets do clean up everything. Restore our lakes and streams, ocean too. Fish without 2 stroke engines. I prefer a oar powered boat myself, canoe's, etc... Lets do not pollute. Lets clean the air by an additional 7.6% for the next 10 years for sure as is recommended by the science. Lets please all be in lockstep to changing the planet so we alter our habits to that where we make change because we must change.

    I do not care if I ever fly again but please give me bullet trains so I can travel quickly to destinations I want to go to. I think it would be nice to allow the land where the Buffalo roamed open space so I can sit all day watching them disappear over the Sunset. That would be fixing a horrible mistake to the complete destruction of our Native American Brothers and Sisters. Time now to make amends by just treating the African Americans who while enslaved made this a Great Nation. It's time Folks to atone our sin's. As you can read, I am very hopeful a reset can manage all of this. Our comments are requested so we will "BE HAPPY (LOL). That would make my conscious very happy.

    Folks, I am so excited to enter this part of Barb's and my life. I cannot wait for change because it is time. Less is more and we are going to finally be accountable. I believe everyone here is already accountable and for that I am glad to call all of you my Sister and Brother, my Scout. We are all leaders by actions, my favorite kind of people.

    I am not depressed at all. What I am is ready so bring it on.

    I believed in the 60's platform, I believed in it and took it to heart, hook, line and sinker so I grow my hair now, I have a pony tail, goatee, and smoke a little erb from time to time to reenact some of the treasures that took place then. Free love, flower power, get high and drop out. Some alterations to this will be made. Barb doesn't much like the free love part but, hey...! A negotiation! LOL.

    Note: In the end we will be always mindful that it isn't about us but we.

    Folks, I am not concerned with things that haven't shown itself yet. Just in case I am prepared for silliness. No one will have their way with Barb unless she gave her permission, Period, otherwise I just want to live the very private lifestyle. Hang with my peers and help those in need. I will be a good steward and I do love my neighbors. I covet no one except my lover of nearly 50 years, until death do us part.

    Emotions: yes, I have felt them and I compartmentalize quickly. I am simply an optimist , and I do not think I will have a need to be an extrovert. I have my opinions for sure and I write because it helps me affirm my beliefs. Mostly I just make my guests feel wanted before I entertain anything for me. It's how we flow.

    Fear for me is usually my reaction to my overextended and active mind. I usually conjure up unnecessary thoughts but, I can never use our outhouse at night without my 12 gauge. We have coyote's and they do concern me. I am fearful of them. You have to be.

    Folks, I wish you the best and respect however you feel.

    Thanks for this Chris and Adam I seen and appreciated your podcast about retirement and the issues we face with pensions. Does all the bullshit ever stop? My God, 2020 can't out of here fast enough. I've had it. We do have the vaccines so I'll hang in there with the rest of you. Peace... BOB

     

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 1:22pm

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    Charles Hugh Smith and Glenn Greenwald on the New Political Alignment in America

    https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/one-chart-predicts-our-future

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-new-ruling-coalition-opposition

     

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 1:39pm

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    Yep! Very nice.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 2:17pm

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    Alfred E. Neuman

    Shutdown looms, but traders imitate Alfred E. Neuman

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 2:48pm

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    hysterical conspiracy nonsense

    brushhog-

    Here now we have the right telling us that the evil left is going to 'take all of our land', confiscate all of our wealth and force us to live in green government tenement houses. The most extreme form of communism is about to sweep through the land and within 5 years, you wont be able to own a pencil.

    I'd be right there with you.  I really want to be right there with you.

    Except I just went through 9 months of a pandemic, and our "medical overlords" have not provided any treatments except "wash your hands, wear a mask, and hide in the basement."  Its straight out of 1918.

    If the third world weren't coming up with treatments right and left, I wouldn't complain so much.  Except they are.  And they work.  The "third world" treatments work.  Can you explain why Grand Genius Fauci doesn't let us know about them?  I certainly can't.  We are "the superpower."  And yet - no treatments.  Our own medical establishment seems to want us dead.  This is - unusual.  And it costs us $47 billion per year.

    And, driven by this pandemic, where our medical establishment appears to want us dead, a bunch of billionaires are telling us they are going to leverage this fantastic pandemic opportunity to make sure we own nothing.  And that we should be happy.  We will rent everything.  This is their very own video!  That they subsequently deleted!  One thing I've learned in life: if someone tells you something straight out - you should probably believe them.

    And Old White Joe is right there with these billionaires.  He is mouthing their slogan "build back better."  I mean, he could say a lot of things.  But he chooses this phrase.  What are the odds?

    And "The Left" has been snuggling with CIA/FBI/NSA for the past 4 years.  The "national security state" is their best friend now.  What will this group do to all the people on "the list" that AOC is constructing?  They will have the full power of the surveillance state.  And tech.  And FBI.  "It is a concern."  Any Trump supporter could well be declared a "domestic terrorist", for whom a FISA warrant can be sworn out.

    Know what a FISA warrant can do?  Every thing you've ever sent has already been captured by NSA.  Emails, texts, messages, posts, phone calls.  Everything.  And everything by anyone 2 hops away from you, same thing.  With a FISA warrant, its all available for their use.  And if AOC's "list" turns into  a "domestic terrorist" list, why, FISA warrants on everyone.  Sky is the limit.

    Roger Stone got hit with a swat team because he "lied to Congress."  James Clapper, guilty of the same crime, got a slot as a CNN commentator.  This is with Trump in office.  Will things improve when he is gone?

    And of course, Antifa-BLM behavior has been normalized.  They can destroy cities, and - no problem.  Wink wink.  "Mostly peaceful protests."  Unless you are a Trump supporter, and if you are, they shoot you.  Oops.  You shouldn't have been wearing that hat, you racist.  And if you defend yourself - it is $2 million bail.  [No bail for Antifa-BLM.  Bail is racist.  Except for Trump supporters.  Then its fair and reasonable.  Trump supporters are flight risks.]

    And this is with Trump in office!  Will it change for the better with Biden in office?  I'm guessing - no.

    Does it sound like we are living in 2012?   You really think the outcome will be "just a bit more Obamacare?"

    I'm going to find a way through on my own.  I think difficult times are coming.  This is not just a re-run of Obama.  It is something entirely different.  They are going to try to "build back better."

    But we will find a way.  I will find a way.  It will blow up in their faces.

    I'm not sure how.  But it will definitely blow up.

    But - one thing I'm certain of - it won't be just "Obama 2012."

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 3:08pm

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    RandomMike said:

    Of course it isn't humane but I have had one idea of why no treatments were approved by the establishment medical team; the law is/was that if effective treatments existed, the 'emergency use' vaccines  would not be allowed to be used. Perhaps the medical elites did some math/time/efficacy studies and decided to say no treatment was available so the vaccines could be developed (with all the speed they did).

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 3:18pm

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    its about vaccines

    RandomMike-

    Sure.  This could just be a way to "encourage" everyone to take a vaccine.  Which hasn't really been tested.  With a brand-new technology - mrna -  never used before in the history of mankind.  Hope there isn't any ADE.  Which happened the very last time they tried developing a vaccine for SARS-1.

    It could be all about a vaccine.  Except for the commentary from the "Build Back Better" group who want to use this pandemic as an opportunity.  To - you know - build back better.

    I think there are a lot of forces at play.  None of them have our best interests at heart.

    If we die - they do not care at all.  They have bigger fish to fry.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 3:19pm

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    Cherished ideas

    Our cherished ideas like capitalism, democracy and freedom are part of what got us to were we are today. As much as I resist the idea, they will, in my opinion, have to be replaced or modified to reach any form of sustainability. People are not going to suddenly start having fewer children and living sustainably.

    I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but somebody has to rebut this. Such ideas are how totalitarianism gets started.

    Capitalism and freedom are exactly what has kept America one of the best places in the world to live while preserving of the most pristine environment in the world even alongside historic levels of immigration. Compare us with China or the USSR, who take your view on freedom and "overpopulation".

    As much as I resist the idea

    I cannot express how much I will "resist" said idea. I will gladly go to my death resisting it.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 3:47pm

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    I will resist the the socialist/ communist idea

    I’d rather be poor in a capitalist society than living on my knees in a communist one.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 4:22pm

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    “Cherished ideas”

    I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but somebody has to rebut this. Such ideas are how totalitarianism gets started.

    Capitalism and freedom are exactly what has kept America one of the best places in the world to live while preserving of the most pristine environment in the world even alongside historic levels of immigration. Compare us with China or the USSR, who take your view on freedom and "overpopulation".

    I cannot express how much I will "resist" said idea. I will gladly go to my death resisting it.

    #METOO!!

    You have to understand Les Phelps. He feels VERY strongly that the solutions to our predicaments MUST include people eating a proper diet and the population of Earth being much less than it is today. Much less. I’m making an inference that he knows these things are not going to happen voluntarily, at least voluntarily and in time. So his comments in #5 indicate to me that he knows the actions he’s sure have to be taken are never going to be taken voluntarily by people in democratic societies. Therefore he seems to have concluded that people are going to have to have the “proper” adjustments forced on them by non-democratic (totalitarian) governments. In other words, it is for own good and for the good of the planet that the necessary changes are forced upon us.

    The 20th century showcased a number of governments like that (for our own good the people were forced to obey). Those experiments ended in grotesque suffering and death.

    Add me to the list of those who will fight that to the death and I don’t care how much people jump up and down telling us it’s for our own good. I know better.

    ”Happy Hunger Games. And may the odds be ever in your favor.”

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 4:40pm

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    Mary59

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    Panama Guinea Pigs Would Rather Fight (Technocratic Totalitarianismcreepiness CyborgLand) Than Switch

    Good Evening

    I have taken a poll amongst the ten Panama Guinea Pigs PGP - still on chloroquine still fine.  We will have an outdoor Thanksgiving Feast month end to mark our survival of the dangerous drug HCQ....

    We ten from 16 to 65  yrs old will be fighting each day.  For Panama and the World. For people to have a say in what happens. For people to please ask for transperancy within the WEF digital disussions this January for "high-level government leaders" 2021.  The WEF meeting will be in May in Lucerne now but they are going to have this January high level secret unreported meeting in January also.. Plus the cocktail parties.

    Nga (65 originally from Vietnam and Martha from Nicaragua and Alida from Panama all have some things to say about supposed benevolent inclusive governments) I will report what they say later.

    Walk Good.

    Unity.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 7:14pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Welcome

    To the interrogation.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 7:28pm

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    A Great Reset, by and for The People?

    Today has been an emotional and intellectual roller coaster for me.

    It began with shock and incredulity at the revelations of Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell at their press conference.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQCdCSDWQQ&feature=emb_logo

    (Action starts at 1:00:00)

    Followed by a sinking feeling that such electoral shenanigans have reduced America to the democratic equivalent of a banana republic.

    Then came disgust and loathing against the main stream media, which ridiculed Giuliani and his team - instead of sounding the alarm about a presidential election possibly invalidated by massive fraud. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/technology/giuliani-false-fraud-claims.html

    Then came a surge of hope as experts stepped forward to support, with incontrovertible evidence, Giuliani's allegations and offer real hope that he will prevail in court. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ficae6x1Q5A

    But then I was alarmed to realize that we are looking at nothing less than a coup d'etat directed, not against Trump, but against the sovereign citizens of the United States of America.

    This led to a second surge of hope that the trauma and scandal which the exposure of such heinous misdeeds should cause, might result in a Great Reset - in the form of overwhelming outrage from American patriots who will be finally motivated to take back the Republic from its domestic enemies.

    Finally, skepticism that anything at all will happen, given that the corruption in high places runs so deep that even 9/11 has been nearly forgotten - despite the clear evidence that it was an inside job.

    The whole world is watching. Will America emerge from this crisis re-established as a 'shining city on a hill' or revealed as just another fetid swamp of political corruption?

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 7:53pm

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    The Viet Cong took over the Mekong Delta

    A story of Marxist revolution:  After the Americans left it took about 2 years for the NVA to topple the South army and occupy Saigon.  The Mekong was pacified without a single NVA soldier.  The people found out who of their neighbors had been VC all along.  There were village meetings where it was promised that the government only needed a small share of the economy.  But foreign funds were no longer coming into Viet Nam.  The war torn economy was flirting with collapse.  Ex-military officers and former government employees were sent to reeducation camps.  The professional and technical classes couldn't be trusted and were sent to raw land and heavily treed sections to scratch a living off the land.  This was what agrarian reform meant.  Ag processing plants and manufacturing came to be staffed and managed by revolution loyalists who didn't have experience or training and little ability to lead or succeed.  Plant property owners had their facilities "borrowed" by the government for what turned out to be decades.  Informers reported on families that may have hidden away valuables.  So anyone having gold or diamonds or American currency hidden away didn't dare use them.  As the economy continued to falter the government devalued the Vietnamese currency at a thousand to one compared to the new currency.  So in that way the Government took complete control of economic power.  Those with larger homes were evicted so that they could be used for Government facilities.  Nowhere to go?  Too bad. Socialism wasn't of itself inherently evil, but the war and the upheaval of society created stresses that contributed to spiraling economic contraction.  And the resulting recession was feeding on itself.  Ethnic minorities came to be discriminated against.   Extreme conditions even resulted desperate people procuring boats, likely to not be seaworthy, and floating into the South China Sea as refugees who came to be known as the boat people. Eventually the refugee camps in neighboring countries became swamped with refugees and no Southeast Asian country would allow new boat people into harbor, even those who had been rescued at sea.  If you pick up refugees you are now prohibited from entering harbor.  This is all in chronicled in Vinh Chung's Where the Wind Leads.

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  • Sun, Nov 22, 2020 - 1:08am

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    After mandatory vaccination, there is no way back

    Here in the UK, government and “scientific expert” figures are opening referring to mandatory Covid vaccinations for certain groups (eg. health care workers); forced vaccination by coercion (i.e. you can't travel without certification) and refusing to rule out mandatory vaccination for all (in order to protect us!).

    The TV news and national papers are wall to wall with celebratory headlines on the new vaccines and giving deadlines for vaccinations to start, even though no vaccine has yet been officially approved!

    Mass vaccination centres are being set up, and the armed forces personnel already involved in mass testing are being trained up to administer vaccines.

    “the most vulnerable” i.e. the aged, and people with debilitating conditions, are going to be given the vaccines first, again to protect them! "Home visits" will be arranged for those "unable to make it to the vaccination centres"

    Any peaceful protests against lockdowns, masks and vaccinations are broken up by the police and the organisers given fixed penalty fines of £10,000! The protesters are condemned by the police and media alike for being “irresponsible” and “putting everybody’s health at risk”

    We are already being told that more than one vaccination will be necessary, so even if the first annual vax is relatively benign, the system will be in place for more circumspect ones to be delivered.

     Once we give ourselves up to mandatory vaccination, there will be no way back.

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  • Sun, Nov 22, 2020 - 9:19am

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    LesPhelps said:

    But for me, it’s better to die free, with my integrity, than to live in such a world.

    You place your “freedom” and integrity above your health and the health of the planet?

    I’m fond of freedom, but am willing to recognize that things can’t continue as they are, regardless of my desire for freedom and integrity.  They will change, whether I or anyone embraces the change.

     

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  • Sun, Nov 22, 2020 - 10:34am

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    I just realized where my anxiety is coming from

    I was never really scared of who may or may not become our president before.   I did concern myself with federal spending and the deficit since the clinton era.  But after Trump presidency, I realized that my general concern for big government has actually absolved.   It is now back and worse than ever by about 10 fold.   I could argue a million and one reason why biden and harris should not be allowed in to whitehouse.   And none for. AND I am firmly of no particular political persuasion.    I do know electric cars are not cheap enough, neither is green power.   And I do know countries in europe as well as the green experiment in CA may work in the mild climates they have.   but it will not work at extreme temps in the midwest and southeast.    I know adding 11 trillion in spending to the current budget is not the answer either.   I also know you will not fix anything by increasing corporate taxes.   The only place any country has successfully taken taxes in enough volume , is the middle.    I also know pro super affirmative action is not beneficial to anyone.     And I do know racism is not near the problem it is portrayed to be..  NOT even close.  AND yes police brutality is a thing - its not a racist thing.    ALL I see with this administration further infringement on freedoms, liberties to succeed, and you huge taxation ( which will hit nothing but the consumer ) , the middle and huge spending.  AND destruction of healthcare system that is barely functioning.    gifting citizenship of 11 million illegals - AND burdening our system with those , when we do NOT care for our own.

    AND now I know why I have a pit in my stomach,  wake up nauseated in the middle of the night, and have been completely unable to function or get work done in the last month.

    I know this is not a political thread.  But its not about that , as i am neither left or right. I am about correct, fair and constitutional.   LEAVE it to the states.. The federal bribes/intimidation for the states to follow federal wishes is so incredibly unconstitutional, I cant even believe that all the states play along.. I am waiting for a couple sensible ones to finally succeed from the UNION..  As we are no longer the "united states" but the controlled unified republic of america.  ( am  I think I am going to decide to coin that phrase  to the following acronym "CURA".)

    AND,  I do not think there is a reasonable person that can argue.  If you truly want this radical - leftest party in administration, you are simply unaware what is as stake, the way things work, our constitution, and the power of true liberties to control ones destiny.. AND further you are brainwashed by an obvious state controlled media.. that google and social media are perverse with.   I am sorry, you have killed america.. AND my anxiety is warranted.. Because I have small children.

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  • Sun, Nov 22, 2020 - 11:45am

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    Yes I place my freedom above everything

    I place my and my families freedoms above my health, my husband’s and children’s health and the health of the planet. There is no discussion that will make me change my mind.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 8:23am

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    Dave you make alot of great points

    ...you always do. I guess my feeling is not so much that they arent going to TRY. But I do not believe they will succeed...at least not in the more extreme ambitions.

    When I go out for a drive I see hundreds of small farms, homesteads, and etc, and I dont believe that in few years or whatever...those people are going to be taken off of their land and out of their homes.

    It's too extreme. Those people have been there for generations, some of them. I can't see how that works. Where are they going to put them all? Most people are going to put up a fight. Even people on the left will turn on them. You're talking about forceably displacing 100 million people, most of them armed? Who's going to do it?

    Think of the money and industries behind home ownership in this country...it is huge. The amount of people, the money, the gun ownership, it would instantly turn the entire population against the powers that be. It would be suicide for them to try.

    I do believe they are evil, they are plotting, and they have an agenda....but nobody is all powerful. What they want and what they'll get are two different things.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 10:46pm

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    We're screwed

    I'm in agreement with Les on this one. The Ju hoansi bushmen of the Kalahari have been inhabiting an area of eastern Namibia for about 300,000 years. This is REAL sustainability. They are reputedly the worlds most enduring hunter gatherer population, or were until 20 years ago when they were displaced by encroaching civilization. They lived lives they percieved as full of abundance by living in balance with the environment and having modest (realistic) aspirations.

    Anyone who thinks modern consumer society is sustainable on anything other than a very short term basis is dreaming. The momentum of the juggernaut is too great. Basically we're screwed. There are orders of magnitude too many people on the planet and we're all totally out of touch with genuinely long-term-sustainable lifestyles. Within the larger context of our civilizational arc getting upset about an election result or a power-play by some bad guys is almost meaningless.   All sorts of collapse are already unfolding, it's going to get worse and the precise pathway of our demise doesn't really matter.  It is all too easy to get sucked into supporting one narrative and opposing another but it doesn't change anything substantial and it makes you feel bad.

    That said it is not too late to lead a peaceful meaningful life. Be here now and live each day with integrity

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 7:22am

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    James Corbett weighing in from the empty streets of Japan...

    What NO ONE is Saying About The Lockdowns

    A short video. Key message, we must be disobedient and resist the extremely damaging and murderous lockdowns.

     

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 6:35pm

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    corbett video

    There is a converse to not locking down..  China does lockdowns.. they have 4 times as many people as the US and 1/100 the deaths they do.      So, I can show you the deaths from not lock downs.

    However, Lockdowns do bring another set of problems.   But more unnecessary problems.  Meaning they are mostly solvable.    for instance children only get fed at school?    I have seen plenty of free food dispensed through out this pandemic .. so that is a fail.

    Of course I am not saying you have to lock it all down..  in fact , i do not believe govts have to take any action at all.. in fact none.   What will happen is when it gets bad enough and enough people get sick..   People will want to wear a mask and social distance.. you do not need to mandate it .. it will happen voluntarily..  You do not have to close restaurants and schools.   You can keep them open.. but when it gets bad enough ,  SOME or MANY people will stop going to those places..   again.. you do not need to do anything.    However, it will get bad enough.. when the hospitals are over-burdened and you go to get treatment for your sister and your mom and son and grandma.. and you will be turned away becaue there are no beds.. and you will race to the next hospital and the next .. fight and killing people to get the few doses of steriods they are giving and the oxygen.. and fluids etc..

    There are more than 3 sides to this coin.. Its very narrow thinking.

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 10:48pm

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    No

    This is a valid comment 6 months ago, not today. We now know that this virus is not that dangerous and we know that highly effective meds are being suppressed. No such scenario would unfold especially with non-draconian precautions.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 3:54am

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    planfortomorrow said:

    I identify with your reasoning. However, I disagree we'll get thru 4 years of Biden. Biden is sick and he doesn't look or speak well. My gut is telling me that Harris will be brought in as Biden is shown mentally or physically unfit. Unless she agrees to be acting president but Joe gets title of president for national security reasons. It's possible I'm correct and where does that take us? Again, I am not going to bother with this stuff until I have to. I will not let my biases influence me until things happen. Nice read, thank you. Happy Thanksgiving. BOB

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 4:38am

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    Biden/Harris

    Just remember Biden/Harris wont rule alone. We have a senate, a house and a supreme court. In 2022, the GOP will probably retake the house and hold the senate. Thats usually the way it goes. The point is there are checks and balances.

    I dont think we have to worry too much about the government becoming a communist horror where we get force marched off of our property and thrown into camps. Not with 75 million armed Trump voters.

    I think what we are witnessing is a collapse. The elite are trying desperately to control the demolition and direct it in their favor. It wont work. It wont work because we are split ideologically down the middle. The country is fractured, from that all the other things are going to follow.

    To add to it all; They are printing money like there is no limit while ramping up the central government tyranny.  Burning the candle at both ends. They are going to run out of one or the other.

    I think a global depression is probably just around the corner. Depression, high inflation, unemployment, shortages, and public rage are the things we need to watching for in the coming months. But the days of all powerful government tyranny are quickly running out. Watch the facade fall away when the economy hits bottom...then crashes through the floor. They're dying and what we are seeing is desperation.

    PS....don't rule out a "covid 20" and a whole new series of lockdowns, this time expect alot more resistance.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 7:49am

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    Susan7 said:

    Brush hog, after this election do you really believe we will ever have fair and honest elections again? I don’t. We’ve been played massively. To the left, the ends always justify the means. Our media are carefully managed now, so that dissent will be increasingly seen as counterproductive and antisocial. We will continue to have elections (every totalitarian country showcases their “democratic” elections) but what meaning will they have?

    So funny—even just 5 years ago I would have taken some comfort in your comments that we could determine policy through the ballot but I know it’s no longer the case. The four year relentless assault on a duly elected president has revealed the rotted state of our constitutional republic and we are most likely beyond repair.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 9:02am

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    pipyman no

    I disagree with these tables.   It might sound close but it is not correct,  If you are like ok, lets , let this burn.   I understand it.  Problem is, you will overload medical system.  Take all those people who required medical treatment, even if for dehydration which can be deadly, and they cannot get it, you have an entirely different number.

    It also makes light of all the people who have survived, and need hearts, lungs , kidneys and more.  AND also those will be long-haulers.

    further the math is not close to correct  - in the USA we have about 12M cases and 270k deaths.. that is actually something near cfr of 2%   which is 1 in 50.....  completely different than your chart suggests.   which is far less than 1:100.     I am not going to entertain supposition on how many more people had they and how asymptomatic that they were..  In fact its more likely that a lot of those cases that are recorded cases are actually fasle positives.   yes there are false negatives too. and there are some people who had it never diagnosed. But on thing is for sure, you will not be included in a covid death, if you are not officially considered a case.   I know they are including some deaths of untested people as covid deaths,. but i would imagine or rather cant imagine them not counting them as a case as well.

    These people feeding this chart are the same people who told us months ago, that 30% or more have already have covid.. and that we are near heard immunity.. until you see what is going on now.., you can see they were wrong.. If you read posts I had made months ago , saying I will laugh , when it shows that is incorrect.  Well , we are here.  AND I am laughing at the people who promote that chart as anythign other than a guess a rather bad one even ,  Not saying we take some draconian measures.. I again , do not say that , though some people read into it..   I am just saying , this is not what you and the chart suggests.   If this really was the case.. we would only really see that person die who has one foot in the grave..   you better take yourself to the hospital see who is dying,

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 9:20am

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    brushhog - the system is dirty top-to-bottom

    checks and balances yes.. dirt still finds its way through. and the good can never be accomplished with the 3 headed monster.     It is easier to have crap float to the top,  than dig out the gold.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 2:43pm

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    Shutting Down Grocery Stores

    A very ominous development.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/22/us/new-mexico-is-shutting-grocery-stores-if-four-of-their-employees-test-positive-for-the-virus-over-two-weeks.amp.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kob.com/articles/new-mexico-grocery-stores-to-remain-closed-under-governorrsquos-public-health-order-5931447.html

     

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 5:17pm

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    Manitoba, Canada heading in the same direction

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-bans-visitors-sale-nonessential-items-1.5808235

    This disturbed me greatly... who the F determines 'essential items'? Also, the small businesses are getting clobbered and shuttered, while the big box stores just keep on rolling and racking in the revenue by providing a whole lot of stuff over and above 'essential products'.

    With each passing day I see things with increasing clarity... shutting down the smaller businesses will force people to use the Amazon, Walmart, Home Depots and all the other corporate biggies. Slowly the herd is driven into the pens where they can be controlled, branded, and channelled into various pens based on maximum profitability to useless liabilities. Gee, where have I seen this before...

    I wonder - will I be rated filet mignon, or regular ground beef? it might depend how hard I buck against the branding and penning process. And buck I will! And 'they' better be ready for a hell of a rodeo, because more and more people are waking up to the shit being foisted on us, and deciding they will go down bucking too.

    I definitely see a people's revolt gathering steam. Count me in.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 5:27pm

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    Case count is way to low

    The thing is if one of your friends or family members comes down with covid and you are quarantined with them anyway why waste time getting tested if you have symptoms? Just figure you have covid and treat at hime accordingly. These people only get “tested” if they need to go to the doctor’s office or hospital to get medicine to beat it. I have plenty of friends who went through this exact thing. They were quarantined and prevented from working because a family member had it and they ended up having symptoms a day or 2 later. Since they were excused from work 14 days already they never tested.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 6:17pm

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    Yoxa said:

    while the big box stores just keep on rolling and racking in the revenue by providing a whole lot of stuff over and above 'essential products'.

    That is less true that it used to be. We're under heavy lockdown here in Manitoba and precisely because of concerns about fairness to small business the big box stores are restricted from selling anything other than 'essential products' in-store. If small stores can't sell Product X during lockdown, neither can the big boys.

    The intent is to reduce contacts  from in-person shopping. However, if you know what you want, delivery or curbside pickup can be arranged for most shopping, essential or non. It takes planning but if you absolutely positively gotta have Product X right now, it's doable.

    One big challenge for small business owners I know is that they're not well set up for online shopping. It takes time and money to set up an e-commerce site and they're scrambling. It's boom time for web developers.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 6:52pm

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    up in arms!

    Hey Jan, sounds like you are ready to take up arms with the revolutionaries 🙂

    I remember a few months back I commented that I felt the need to procure some kind of gun and you where suprized that I thought it necessary.  What do you think now?       I signed up for my PAL course last March but missed the full class by one spot. Now locally they are all cancelled til spring :-/

    better ten years early than a day late...Wish me luck come spring time the course is running.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 8:54pm

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    replies to Yoxa and sebastian

    Yoxa: I know you live in Manitoba from previous posts. You made my point: few small businesses were ready to evolve to conducting online business. No one saw this coming! That was part of the plan: big tech, big business, big scale, interconnected operations/supply chains/influence that runs roughshod over the little guys. Run em' out of town in the name of profits! Small business owners do not know what the hell to do. Except hope that the Grand Traitor, Trudeau, somehow bails them out. And he will, because he committed treason by agreeing to all the Great Reset shit. I wonder what goodies they promised him? He is a f'ing traitor to this country, just like his (reprehensible) father was.

    sebastian: damn straight! I am pissed off! Royally so! Still don't own a gun. Probably never will cuz I would probably kill myself before shooting anyone else. I am survivor of a school shooting (Ottawa 1976).  Saw the damage up close and personal. You do not wanna see what I have seen because you cannot un-see it - ever. I do not like guns. But I can resist in other ways. And I will. Cause I have never been so pissed off as I am right now. Arghhhhhhh! I don't know what it will take to wake the sheeple up but you can be sure I am doing my part in my small part of the world.

    I have always liked Brene Browns reference to being in the arena, fighting on... that's me. I will go down daring greatly, no matter what happens.

    Daring Greatly Quote Collection - Basecampatx

     

     

     

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 10:26pm

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    Time2help

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    Perhaps it's all just air cover

    It is interesting how many of the trends induced by SARS-CoV-2 happen to marry well with the current trajectories of the trendlines in this graph.

    "Your are here" - plus or minus. No wonder the hoi oligoi have gone openly insane.

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  • Thu, Nov 26, 2020 - 5:15am

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    Yes JAN I'm in with you 100% and its ACTION TIME

    Dear All,

    I started my plan of action this week -my work on the big circle.  PM me if you wish to know what I am doing please.

    The most powerful natural force is neither lightning, nor tornados, nor earthquakes.  Everyday, like a clock ticking, erosion continues relentlessly.  Each little lap of water, each little grain of sand bumping against the other, the impact of which is literally imperceivable, but nevertheless there.

    We  - mere grains or sand, mere drops of water, mere gusts of wind, have great strength, together over time.

    We can act in grace, silence, peace.

    For now.

    If we wait, I feel there will be no option to violence.

    And we need remember that the big circle contains the small circles.

     

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Nov 26, 2020 - 9:35am

    drbost

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    Mary, Jan, you expressed it so well...

    Thank you for your describing the nature of effective actions. Such actions are necessary, but they are quiet and unlikely to attract much notice now. Actions like these that are persistent and quiet are much less likely to arouse resistance from those now embedded in the status quo. But these actions are creating a foundation to which the embedded ones can turn as their world crumbles. This proactive action is so important!

    We are working in this way in northeast Oklahoma. Many folks here are contributing quietly but practically to building this foundation. I'm aware of at least 6 organic gardens, including a budding market garden, in our 50-home neighborhood. And this includes periodic pre-pandemic neighborhood gatherings, now with ongoing online communication. It's happening.

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  • Fri, Nov 27, 2020 - 10:17am

    lyonssf

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    Here is a Compilation of the Trump Election Fraud Allegations, One Stop Shopping

    The Kraken

    https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf

     

    Election Findings Could ‘Easily’ Overturn 3 States, Data Analyst Concludes

     

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/election-findings-could-easily-overturn-3-states-data-analyst-concludes_3595153.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH9ihoLi1NA&feature=emb_logo

     

    The Fate Of The Western World Hangs In The Balance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfplmhkmiIU&t=924s

    Hearing Audio 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGELSzPkgtQ

    Hearing Audio 2

    Hearing Audio 3

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaWSIjRyK2I

    Hearing Audio 4

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  • Fri, Nov 27, 2020 - 1:19pm

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    Time2help

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    The GOD business

    “The organizing principle of any society is for war. The basic authority of the modern state over it’s people resides in its war powers. Today it’s oil. Tomorrow, water. It’s what we like to call the “GOD” business…Guns, Oil and Drugs. But there’s a problem.
     
    Our way of life. It’s over. It’s unsustainable and in rapid decline. That’s why we implement demand destruction. We continue to make money as the world burns. But for this to work the people have to remain ignorant of the problem until it’s too late.
     
    That’s why we have triggers in place… 9/11, 7/7, WMD’s…a population in a permanent state of fear does not ask questions. Our desire for war becomes its desire for war. A willing sacrifice, you see?
     
    Fear is justification. Fear is control. Fear is money.”
     
    A monologue from "The Veteran", released 2011.
     

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  • Fri, Nov 27, 2020 - 1:20pm

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    Time2help

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    Lockdown

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  • Fri, Nov 27, 2020 - 3:20pm

    Mots

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    James Corbett weighing in from the "empty streets" of Japan...

    Westcoastjan
    Your "empty streets" characterization is totally wrong. The streets are normal. Children are in school and people are working.  That trail along a stream that Corbett is walking along is always empty during workdays as it is far away from shops.  I have been on that same trail that  you see in his video and was alone during weekdays (I live about 100km away from him now). The stream actually has koi in it.
    Mots

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  • Fri, Nov 27, 2020 - 4:08pm

    Mots

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    There is a converse to not locking down.. China does lockdowns

    NordicJack
    You assume that that China and asia have less Covid because of more lockdowns.
    Not true.
    Countries of E Asia have about 50-100 times less covid because of contact tracing. The Chinese use their cell phones for this.  The Japanese have learned to do this informally and formally at a more confidential level via a system put in place to handle tuberculosis. People pay much attention to their contacts and contact history.

    Businesses and economies in Asia are doing much better than in America because there is much less lockdown over here, and much more washing/masking/contact tracing.

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  • Fri, Nov 27, 2020 - 4:29pm

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    tbp

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    Causes of demoralization and zozobra

    Don't forget that the demoralization and zozobra is a long-term deliberate communist control plan, created by those who control the official narrative, as Yuri Bezmenov so well explained way back...

    ... but it's only that, a false narrative. You have to be very carefull with who you allow to influence your belief systems. There are many dark players.

    What makes zozobra so difficult to address is that its source is intangible. It is a soul-sickness not caused by any personal failing, nor by any of the particular events that we can point to.

    Yeah, it's not events, it legacy media false narrative propaganda. In general, the people who don't watch TV are NOT experiencing this demoralization or zozobra. I know what they're up to and I definitely don't experience it, and even my closest friends who are having financial troubles don't experience it.

    Those who navigate uncertainty best are those who process the quickest. As always, having a good mental map, and the right terms, is helpful to that process.

    Another helpful tool in this regard is entheogens. You aren't the victim of circumstance you've come to believe yourself as.

    Our emotions are not “the truth”, but rather uncomfortable sensations that serve as an early warning system. They are like a quantum processor able to parse through massively complex systems and situations way before our cortex can offer any guidance.

    They're also greatly influenced by mind-control programs designed to socially engineer herds of humans towards geopolitical agenda goals. Even more importantly, your emotions determine the reality you manifest, because you're the one creating it, as I explained in this post. Here's the all-important Law of Attraction emotional guidance scale again:

    I know this might sound weird, if you're new to metaphysics, but it's the single most important thing. If you normalize feeling this way, thinking you're "ahead of the curve", you're committing an enormous mistake, IMO, leading you down a dark path, as they want you to. And the sooner you realize this, the better for you.

    The generation of negative emotions is actually their primary tool. It's your primary job to engage in spiritual development and transmute your emotions upwards in the scale... unless manifesting negative polarity is what you're into.

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  • Fri, Nov 27, 2020 - 5:44pm

    westcoastjan

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    fair enough Mots

    That is something that is hard to judge, obviously, but yes, I made an assumption that that was why he filmed this particular video in this manner. Normally he broadcasts from a studio. It is likely he did this to add impact to his message.

    Thanks for letting us know that.

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  • Sun, Nov 29, 2020 - 9:42pm

    Matthew McGuirl

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    Stop thinking so small

    Look up.

    You live in a vast universe that has billions of years worth of energy and matter to grow into. We are indeed outgrowing our cradle. But that’s no reason to pack it in.

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