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    Choosing To Do Nothing Now Has Large Consequences

    This moment in history is forcing us to make a big decision
    by Chris Martenson

    Friday, November 6, 2020, 6:56 PM

Imagine for a moment that you’re the captain of a jetliner.

You have 155 people on board, you’ve just lifted off, and suddenly a flock of geese appears.  The plane’s engines ingest too many birds and then permanently flame out.

There’s too little elevation to do much of anything.  There’s no thrust and no way of returning to the airport you just left.

What do you do?

Well, if you’re Captain “Sully” Sullenberger you smoothly land that plane on a nearby river and calmly perform two full sweeps of the cabin to assure you’re last person off the plane, losing zero lives in the process.

An exciting story with a critical point: there are moments in life when you don’t have the luxury of doing nothing.

When the SHTF, doing nothing has the same weight as doing something.  Each results in a defined outcome.

If Captain Sully had done nothing – had frozen in his chair or simply kept hopelessly pressing the engine restart buttons – the outcome almost certainly would have been mass death.

Why am I telling you this? Is it relevant to your life?

Absolutely.

To understand why, imagine you have real power. Not just CEO-level power, but the sort of power invested in those who have to make the biggest of decisions.

Given the state of the world, where doing nothing matters as much as doing something, what decisions would you be making when your instrument panel is telling you:

  1. Fuel is dangerously low
  2. Flying conditions are poor
  3. Worse turbulence is ahead
  4. Critical software errors are popping up across vital systems

In real world terms, this translates into dwindling oil resources, climate instability, ecosystem stress, and a world economic/financial system overdue for  a massive debt reset.

In other words, sitting back and hoping this all resolves itself somehow is the same as ‘doing nothing.’  It’s a choice.

That path has a date with the brick wall of reality.  It risks blundering into an angry future that forces itself upon us all with chaotic fury.

The other path is to ‘do something.’  That could mean rallying the global leadership around the need to at least try to chart a new course.  To reset our approaches and re-tune them for the world that actually exists — not the one we used to have, or wish we did.

The rationale here is pretty straightforward.  Exponential growth on a finite planet has always had an expiry date stamped on it.  Even if we haven’t wanted to admit that to ourselves.

Well, that expiration date has now resolved and can be clearly read.  It’s 2020.

Which is why the great powers running today’s world are mobilizing. They are choosing to “do something”. What the repercussions of their plan will be, time will tell.

Their grand response is called The Great Reset.  If you haven’t heard much about it, you soon will.  It’s going to reshape everything about your future.  Mine too.  Everyone’s in fact.

It’s equally true that even if global leadership had selected the ‘do nothing’ path, that too would have impacted your future just as profoundly, and probably more disruptively.

At any rate, the future is arriving.  It’s time to adjust to that as quickly as you can. Because those who do will have the best chance of not only thriving, but being part of the team that creates the new future.

A few will actively participate in the creation this new future.  Most will passively observe its formation and be left to react to things as they emerge.

In such momentous times, there are three things you need to get right:

  1. Accurately assess the situation
  2. Orient yourself and develop options
  3. Take decisive actions

It’s no different than being caught in a riptide.

If you are unaware of the real reason why the shoreline is rapidly receding then you’ll probably either be lost out to sea or drown as you exhaust yourself trying to swim back to shore.

If, instead, you can accurately assess that you’re trapped in a riptide, orient yourself to swim perpendicular to the flow, and then swim decisively out of the current. You’ll stand a good chance of surviving the adventure.

In Part 2: The Great Reset Is Already Underway I detail out all of the latest specifics we know so far about The Great Reset. The more we learn about this globally-coordinated — and very public — initiative, the more cogs drop into place for why our system operates the way it does, and what it will demand of us going forward.

This is huge moment in history. Events are sweeping us along. So we better start accurately assessing the situation, the key players and their objectives, and formulate a plan of action if we want to come out on the right side of what’s ahead.

Click here to read Part 2 of this report (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access).

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 4:58am

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    pokjbv

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    Heavy on scare; no solutions

    Chris, I have been reading here a long time and this post while well written is as the title of my post syas; Long on scare; no solutions.

     

    You say:  "The rationale here is pretty straightforward.  Exponential growth on a finite planet has always had an expiry date stamped on it."  And that is basically the key to your post.

     

    I hate to say it but this falls under the "well DUH" category of observations we all already know, and you go on to urge action but without any direction at all.  That isn't a recipe for disaster now is it?  Given that we have a demented narcissistic election loser in office and his tens of millions of armed worshipers running around with guns looking for any excuse to use them.

     

    And you do not even know that the great reset will be to our detriment when in fact it could be the salvation from a bad situation we have all been wanting.

     

    This I will say, humans have needs and those needs cannot be endlessly shrunk because you and any number of "climate scientists" say the pie actually is finite after all and has to be divided up among billions upon billions of people in a zero sum game that will by force have to end in the deaths of innocents.

     

    So, I guess from your perspective the real heroes alive today are those that live without creating more replications of themselves, the childless.  Because when I say humans have needs those needs are what so many today call footprints.  And they cannot continue to shrink forever, if they could they would not be NEEDS!  And that is quite aside from the fact that those with the more money and property are the ones with the largest footprints and who will refuse the loudest to allow their own footprints to be shrunk.  You expect all the sacrifice to come from those below you not above and certainly not from yourself.  The only reason you advocate this is you have never experienced real and extreme poverty within a system that judges your very worth as a human being by the contents of your portfolio.  The I got mine and death to any that get near it mentality of preppers is going to be their death, because they represent a real threat to the society around them in their paranoia.

     

    Now had you been working toward, or even suggesting we work cooperatively toward a viable long term permanent solution to the social and envirnmental solutions that we will have to have to survive, which by my calculation will require a limiting of the population at least till our technology catches up to the gross finite nature of our world and it's delicate ecosystem, I would be entusiastically supporting you.  And I do admire your work in many ways, especially your YouTube vids since the start of the pandemic.

     

    But you do not, insted you are urging some seriously unstable people to dash out just react to an undefined something out there that is such a serious threat they must act, but without even suggesting what or how that action should manifest, and we both know that will be in the form of violence that will only further destabilize our society because you WANT it to collapse all the quicker even though you know that total social collapse will kill millions.  Tens of millions, possibly billions or in a worse case scenario everyone and everything, because a destablized global nuclear power under threat has the ability to do just that.

     

    Maybe you should have been promoting voluntary sterilization with incentives for those who submit to it, as well as removing barriers to gay people and rewarding them rather than killing them because it is the blindly populating straight people that are suffocating the planet under ever more human footprints that are at present technology so far past the globe's carrying capacity and gives rise to your crisis that you say needs rest this very year with less than 8 weeks left in it.  That and provide disincentive to breed the planet to death like a child tax.  Make people pay for the real, yet hidden costs to the world of their never ending population explosion.  Social, environmental, logistic, concrete damage that come with ever more humans.

     

    Because while you do not come right out and state that all problems are related to overpopulation and an urgent immediate need to fix that, it is what you are really advocating.  I for one am not volunteering to be the first to line up for your solution.

     

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 5:25am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Here We Go

    This is going to be fun.

    I am going to make myself a cup of tea, sit on the porch, put my feet up and watch the show.

    pokjbv you sure know how to poke a hornets nest with a stick.

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 5:27am

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    Tessa’s GR for Dummies

    I thought this one made pretty good sense.

    I thought this one made pretty good sense.

    https://tessa.substack.com/p/great-reset-dummies

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 6:05am

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    jturbo68 said:

    Hmm.  This reads like the zeitgeist movement, except run for control, not living within planetary limits.

    I think that M King Hubbard of PO fame  expected the world to be run as a technocracy, ultimately as well.  But I think he turned on this view at some point.

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 6:56am

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    VTGothic

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    Not sure that corn's gonna pop

    MM wrote

    pokjbv you sure know how to poke a hornets nest with a stick.

    and

    This is going to be fun.

    I am going to make myself a cup of tea, sit on the porch, put my feet up and watch the show.

    Ha! Tell ya what, MM, I'll join you on the porch. I'll take mine hot, cream, no sugar. It could be fun, but I think maybe pokjbv missed his target and skewered himself. We'll see.

    Truly, I found myself wondering if he's really been around since 2017. I haven't been here long enough to know, but he seems woefully misundereducated about Chris' over-arching narrative, of which Chris' OP is a reflection, as much as it is a foundation pillar for coming posts in keeping with his latest "off the cuff" in which he declared his felt need to frame carefully going forward. I presume that as a member pokjbv also had access to that presentation.

    To me, his response doesn't reflect it. It reads like a troll's misinterpretation, based (as so much trolling is) on the combination of no history with the target, and a badly-executed effort to trash his assumptions about what Chris thinks in the hope they will score the flare up you and I would use to pop our corn.

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 8:07am

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    Prep101

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    SOLUTIONS for the Great Reset: 1) Resilience and 2) Fight the Powers That Shouldn't Be all the way

    To Chris, Adam and all of us at Peak Prosperity,

    I applaud you for paying attention to the Great Reset.

    Now, in terms of solutions:

    1) Prepare and get as resilient as you can. This is what Chis and Adam are good at in educating us. Check out all the information you can on resilience on Peak Prosperity.

    2) Fight the Powers That Shouldn't Be all the way. This has been planned for a long time. It is certain that they will carve out a big a piece as they can get away with at the expense of the rest (Just as with the money printing with the Federal Reserve etc. etc.)

    This time, the blueprint of the Great Reset is to control all land, all water, all minerals, etc.They will start the assault on ordinary people with regulations, for example by cutting of your access to water, access to the road, or preventing you to build things on your land via permits. So JUST BEING RESILIENT IS NOT ENOUGH. You cannot hide.

    In the words of Rosa Koire:

    While you're out on the land doing your thing, the county planning department is implementing the regional plan that your taxes paid consultants to develop a few years ago. And in accordance with your city county-climate-action-plan and dozens of programs that were developed with the junior college and local environmental non-governmental organizations your options are narrowing.

    Your well is scheduled to be monitored so that your water use can be restricted. Your road access may be removed in conjunction with a land use plan that protects a salamander that seems to be under every rock that you look at. Your property taxes are increasing because your crop is not productive enough to change your designated use from rural residential to agricultural so that your taxes can be lowered. Your diesel tractor has been outlawed. You can't get a real estate loan because your fire and disaster insurance premiums have skyrocketed and you can't pay them. So that means you have to pay cash for your property and you have no protection if there's a disaster.

    Rules, restrictions, penalties, fines, fees have blocked you from burning your wood and your stove, clearing your land of stumps and rocks, paving or grading your driveway, building more than one house on your land without permits, building a barn without a permit, cutting down a tree, diverting water from the creek, putting a bakery on your property, collecting rainwater, relocating the wild animal that's been killing your livestock. That's what's happening out there in the wild areas where you're thinking about going.

    Fortunately, she comes up with a good - but not always easy SOLUTION:

    Go to your city-council meeting, know what is going on, educate yourself, and be active. Support local people and not groups that are funded by the international globalist groups. She says a lot more about the solution on:

    Where Can You Go To Escape Agenda 21? With Rosa Koire:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8EfWWE21Y4&feature=emb_title

    Take note that Agenda 2030 which is covered in what Chris covered in his review of the Great Reset is a reboot of Agenda 21 (agenda for the 21 century), in case you where wondering what the title is about.

    in the As Chris mentioned, the Great Reset starts globally, but it is finding it's way to the national and then regional level.

    You have to understand the globalization is the standardization of all things, all systems. So what does globalization really mean. It means the erasure of the nation-state. You replace it with a single control-mechanism. So how do you do that? You can't just jump right into that. There is an interim step which is regionalization. Regionalization destroys your sovereignty. It destroys your jurisdictional boundaries, thoase entities that you vote for, the municipalities you vote for: city, county, state and federal. Agenda 21, and now Agenda 2030 destroys representative government by boards and commissions. It's governance, not government. It rules over you, it's not influenced by you.

    Here it is explained how you can find Agenda 21 / Agenda 2030 in your own town so you can know how to fight it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSK_jmHczYM&feature=emb_logo

    If you want more information how you can prepare for the Great Reset, and apart from building resiliency how you can fight Agenda 21 / Agenda 2030 you can go to:

    https://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com

    Godspeed to all of us at Peak Prosperity!

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 12:33pm

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    Status Quo

    Status quo will remain. There is 0.0% evidence that the historically chronic and failed inflationist policies of the Federal Reserve Bank and CONgress will be ending anytime soon. To the contrary, the evidence shows that ZIRP, deficit spending, money printing , and equity/bond/gold/oil market interventions will recklessly continue and probably even accelerate. The runaway train that the tribe knows is careening towards predictable disaster will not change course unless the conductor voluntarily decides to slow down and hit the brakes. Does anyone believe that Chairmen Powell or CONgress will do that? All of history, science, economics and nature proves the likely outcome that is coming yet our failed “leaders” deny these simple realities. I will ask again.....does anyone really believe that the train conductor(s) are going to hit the brakes? I offer them one final chance to do what they know is right. If not, then history also tells us that Revolution will be the next best option for the great American People. How else will the “Great Reset” arrive.....from magic pixie dust?

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 12:45pm

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    dockw

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    Reset

    Chris I think highly of your work but if you think the reset is good, full stop. It’s not democratic but communist. They take things we can agree with like better air quality and climate to decide what is best for you and me. They don’t want you to be self reliant, God forbid. Er, sorry, they forbid.
    Any thing associated with Soros, Gates, Schwab is areal red flag that you will not matter.
    Martin Armstrong has it right. You need to do further research. Check him out.
    And as Cardinal Vigano recently wrote, they are the children of darkness.
    Stay well and love and respect you!

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 4:45pm

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    The Great Reset...

    ...whatever it is will have a painful birth.  Any attempt at drastic change in this contentious environment is going to be violent.

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 9:12pm

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    derelict

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    oh pokjvb

    Did you really thing you were going to get any practical concrete suggestions this side of the paywall? There is a longstanding tradition of strong metaphorical story - engine failure/bird strike - followed by generic exhortation: Do something. Followed by, register to be told what to do. No surprise there. However your encouragement of homosexuality to solve population problems made me chuckle. Hadn't read that one before.

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 10:16pm

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    David Allan

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    content vs context

    Another great article. Thanks. Much of the discussion seems to be on the details of the content of a great reset. Lets not forget that context is always relevant too. In this case the context is largely where we are in the story of the 3 Es. In terms of Energy the second law of thermodynamics is non negotiable. As energy available for society to consume diminishes so eventually will the complexity of our civilizational structures begin to crumble. Many of us here expect some sort of simplification and relocalization to occur.

    Another aspect of the context is of course the global environmental disaster unfolding.  Our very life support systems are under threat.

    As far as I can see the proponents of the great reset are enchanted by the content of their vision- the technological complexities and systems that will give them ever more control - and they are failing to recognize the larger context of our civilizational narrative. So, while massive change is coming I suspect it will not run strictly in according with the elites script.

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 10:54pm

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    David Allan

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    A Spiral Dynamics perspective

    As Chris notes, some sort of reset is desperately needed. But the level it is coming from is critical. From a spiral dynamics perspective -

    Do the agenda and actions seem to be coming from the Integral, planetary, holistic level with an open, inclusive multi disciplinary approach dedicated to the welfare of planet earth, its inhabitants and ecosystems?

    Or is the Reset perhaps driven from  the Green, postmodern, multi perspectival, consensus-forming worldview?

    Or perhaps the Orange, rational, scientific perspective?

    Or is the motivation for the Reset coming from even lower down the spiral, from the self-centric /ethno-centric  red/amber power and control level? This is the level of needy egos that crave power and money and control (and no amount  is ever enough).

    There do appear to be aspects from each Spiral Dynamics level incorporated in some of the summaries I've seen.  But it looks suspiciously as though people and ideas have been brought on board to buy respectability for a core philosophy originating from a red/ amber worldview

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  • Sun, Nov 08, 2020 - 4:46am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    David Allan

    I think for anyone willing to pay attention to who the players behind "The Great Reset" are, it is quite apparent that this is nothing more than a "rebranding" of the "New World Order" The elites have always had plans for crafting a world of their own creation. Carroll Quigley. Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown documented as much in "Tragedy and Hope".

    The latest group of elites to join the ranks are the Silicon Valley technocrats. Eric Schmidt and Bill Gates are leading the charge publicly. The program has been going on for well over a century with the Roundtable group in England . Are these people altruists? Maybe, I don't know for sure, but clearly they are Machiavellians . One other thing is abundantly clear , none of us will get a vote.

    http://cruinthe.tripod.com/nexus/articles/rockefeller.3.html

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  • Sun, Nov 08, 2020 - 7:13am

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    westcoastjan said:

    Hi Mohammed,

    Your link does not work - might be good to fix that as the article is a good read.

    One good excerpt re David Rockefeller

    Unless the business class is actively involved in resolving "societal problems", he warned the New York Economic Club, the public may become "disenchanted with business" and "demand that government resume its previous role as the arbiter of our economic life".26

    And thus David's real agenda becomes clear: the rich must govern, limiting the role of elected officials; but the multitude must be placated lest they clamour for the return of democracy, threatening the reign of the plutocrats.

    The World Economic Forum run by Klaus Schwab et al is first and foremost a business. Their first priority is value to stakeholders, read “profits”, in spite of stated benevolent intentions. To do so they must control all governments as well as populations. They already have far more control than most realize. Their plans have benefitted beyond measure from harnessing technology, which has accelerated the move from planning to actual implementation. Aided of course by the Covid-19 catalyst, which has been oh so opportunistic...

    Sure they may do some good things but never, ever forget their primary goal is total control of the world and exclusive use all ‘inventory’, which includes we human ‘assets’, to maximize stakeholder value. When there is no further ‘value’ to be extracted from us, or alternatively, if we become ‘liabilities’, we will be rendered ‘obsolete’. What that actually looks like, who knows. All I know with any certainty is that ‘planned obsolescence’ is never a good thing.

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  • Sun, Nov 08, 2020 - 10:24am

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    Time to retire this stock photo

    I don't know how many times I have signed on to this site since 2008 and have seen the same stock photo. I take the message to be: Everyone has their heads in the sand except those who agree with the PP narrative.

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  • Sun, Nov 08, 2020 - 12:11pm

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    dockw said:

    1. Double thumbs up. Well done. You make it clear. These people will monitor your water usage, where you go and how, etc.
    2. Money goes digital so they know how, when, and where you spend it so you can be taxed and corrected if you spend it on hateful groups that are anti abortion, republican, independent, contrary to the party line.

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  • Sun, Nov 08, 2020 - 12:20pm

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    Fauci 'PCR test using 35 + cycles useless'

    For those still having trouble believing the govt. might not have your best interests at heart please see this very important information.

     

    Smoking gun: Fauci states COVID test has fatal flaw; confession from the “beloved” expert of experts

     

    Sorry if already posted.

     

    Mike.

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  • Sun, Nov 08, 2020 - 12:36pm

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    dreinmund said:

    I’m afraid that the Great Reset will not play out as the Davos Crowd expects.

    Sure, they’ll press the button hard. And things reset.

    But then things fail to restart. Stuck in reset. It will be gigantic [email protected]&#.

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  • Sun, Nov 08, 2020 - 2:32pm

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    Abp. Viganò warns Trump about ‘Great Reset’ plot to ‘subdue humanity,’ destroy freedom

    https://catholicismpure.wordpress.com/2020/10/31/abp-vigano-warns-trump-about-great-reset-plot-to-subdue-humanity-destroy-freedom/

    This recent letter to Trump worth reading!

    "The purpose of the Great Reset is the imposition of a health dictatorship aiming at the imposition of liberticidal measures, hidden behind tempting promises of ensuring a universal income and cancelling individual debt. The price of these concessions from the International Monetary Fund will be the renunciation of private property and adherence to a program of vaccination against Covid-19 and Covid-21 promoted by Bill Gates with the collaboration of the main pharmaceutical groups. Beyond the enormous economic interests that motivate the promoters of the Great Reset, the imposition of the vaccination will be accompanied by the requirement of a health passport and a digital ID, with the consequent contact tracing of the population of the entire world. Those who do not accept these measures will be confined in detention camps or placed under house arrest, and all their assets will be confiscated."

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 2:18am

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    planfortomorrow said:

    I would love to hear your plans, your examples of how we should plan for our individual needs. I will say that I was a babe in the woods 12 years ago and feel I have exponentially more wisdom by taking what Chris has mused about, then taking further by doing my own research and making my own plans for MY future. I do not think ever of Chris when I make my decisions but, I thank him for allowing me to bolt on the things after reflection, of course, on my personal needs and desires. Actually, we have always planned our later years, Barb and I, and with Chris and Adams help I was able to focus the worlds reality and make decisions to help us get these life long plans to a fruitful conclusion.

    Again, take all the time you want and show me conclusively what I should do by implementing these reality's so Barb and I can get to our goals, safely, with integrity and of high character so we don't feel like we are crawling across those still mired in mud. I'll look for your comments with excitement, Until then I'll read with delight Chris's good intentions. I trust him and thank him for all his efforts. You know, he has always asked we trust our gut, that in many cases he acknowledges he has really no clue yet on where things will go because he does have clear visuals of where we will finally end up, like the "Great Reset" of which I have spent 12 hour days just researching this Elites idea. Frankly, with just the research I have started I am most impressed. If they actually are laser focused to do what they claim on the WEF website then I actually feel like this could be a very awesome under taking. I am hopeful because it has a reasonable chance at saving our planet and this excites the hell out of me. Time will tell if I'm fully on board. The Rental vs. Ownership has me a bit confused and research is limited, I know, I've checked. Anyways, I'm an optimist and more optimistic now than I was a few weeks ago. Peace...PS: Has anyone else seen how blue the sky has been and clean the air is? Barb and I have loved just enjoying our environment and feeling much better ourselves for this environmental plus all because of the lack of planes flying as they were less than a year ago. We really want it all, this clean air has been a terrific happening because of the Virus. Even in the City where we rent the stars have been many and brighter. Just great.

     

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 2:29am

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    planfortomorrow said:

    Agreed.

     

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 4:50am

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    Bradford said:

    As I read your post I was immediately reminded of the Benjamin Franklin quote about liberty and safety..."Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    Perhaps, in your investigation of the "Great Reset" you came across this video?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTvMsThQgSg

    It would be really great to get Chris' take on the veracity of the flow chart presented there.

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 7:35am

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    Ask yourself Why Now?

    Apart from all the other information and evidence and historical patterns and evidence also regarding the wayward direction of some of the powers that be.  Let us set that apart.

    But ask Why now?

    Why now do the "powers that be" want the world to be "sustainable and inclusive".?

    Why now-  all of  sudden-  is the IMF and WEF et al concerned about sustainability.?

    Why now are the 1% willing to give up their private ownership and eat less meat and go along with these plans to make our world sustainable.?

    I have worked in sustainable development since its dawn in the late 70s with the UN with governments with the Bank and banks and other IFIs and councils and forums and the like and thus I know what I am talking about and the people who are in power have known how to make our world inclusive and sustainable for decades.  The technology and structures and processes are all there-all models designed -  from the briliance of the capital assets model to environmental accounting.

    This Great Reset is being presented as something good.  It may well be "good" for someone or something, but as George Carlin pointed out.

    "It's a big club and you ain't in it".

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 9:28am

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    kjalexa said:

    I feel like I watched an entirely different presentation.  I heard Chris refer to his Crash Course and developing the different forms of capital and also talking about the stages of grief.  At no point, did I intuit that he was suggesting violence or advocating mass death.

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 10:46am

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    planfortomorrow said:

    I agree. What Chris has been is a teacher that looks at things from angles that did make me aware, it has always been my responsibility to watch everything and research everything myself and then take it upon myself to find MY PATHWAY to happiness. Look, how in heck is Chris responsible for me, my god we have never met and he couldn't possibly know what my goals and asperations are. In general he does but he couldn't ever understand my complexity's as I don't know myself when my situation will change and then I change my mind. He has been inclusive of all the things that he is watching and for that my life has been different and positively so. How this all has effected me has been the world has gotten a whole lot smaller allowing me to focus my attention on my goals, my plan. He has never professed to be our savior, we must be that. Trust your gut. BOB

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 11:49am

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    I would appreciate any information regarding the Renter system that has been broached from the WEF. I have looked but I often get side tracked when something else from their site catches my eye as this is really all new to me and it's being implemented. I'll keep doing the searches but I am sure someone out here has been at this way longer thatn I have. I am building my Log Cabin, our dream and I plan to pay cash for it to be built. So, should I? I do plan to go in and remove this equity as housing may have a big reset itself and the market for homes drastically reduced so the value of our home will drop. For my way of thinking, my home will be worth much less than the price too build so that's a loss of cash if I don't grab it now. Thank you for any assistance and I don't care if it's a lot of material to read, I will get the work done. I will read everything given to me. Again, thank you

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 12:42pm

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    Iana said:

    Interesting that rent vs buy, not owning anything should be a red flag for CM. for most people on the planet is it the only circumstance they hve known. Like G W Bush said, you who have some and want more are my base; that means the small and powerful who do own property now are at risk of losing the only security they value: owning stuff, starting with own home. They would be the base for WEF too, imo.  And CM overlooks the option that who owns would be the governments, or nobody, as in a perpetual lease, or as indigenous peoples have mostly understood it: you can't own the Earth Mother.

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    The only 'why now' I can think of is they have almost always been skillful at staying ahead of the curve of events. This time they are coopting the agenda of those who care (as in earth care, people care, future care) and are adopting it as a false flag. We plebes will always keep on hopeing that the next time, as in when a govt changes hands, it will be different. I got duped in our last federal election when Justin Trudeau, 'the younger' got elected PM. Also Obama was the assassin in chief, didn't close Gitmo, deported more than any Prez, etc. Campaign from the left, govern from the right; that's where the money is. They are a like an algorithm, the longer it runs the smarter it gets, at controlling the system we call democracy.

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 12:59pm

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    Vatican doctrine

    I’m commenting here, outside the paywall, because I’ve let my membership lapse, and that in turn is because, having processed peak oil and “Limits to Growth” back in 2003, my intellectual journey has led me well into the minefield that is religion and (I would say) out the other side, with enough confidence that I’m no longer hedging my bets for all contingencies but, for about four years now, preparing mostly for one scenario. Talking about religion is not encouraged here, and I’m not sure it would help anyway because, like I said, it’s a minefield of ideas and bad actors. You have to walk slowly through it.

    But I will say that any discussion of the Great Reset will eventually involve the Vatican. Whether they are merely a bit player or the main source of Great Reset doctrine, the reader should decide for himself. But having yesterday browsed the new encyclical “Fratelli tutti,” and finding correspondences with the WEF videos in all but perhaps the transhuman elements, I’m reminded that it’s nothing new. Thomas Aquinas taught the same social and economic principles, for example in Summa Theologiae, ii-ii, 7th article: “In cases of need, all things are common property, so that there would seem to be no sin in taking another’s property, for need has made it common. … A man may also take secretly another’s property in order to succor his neighbor in need.”

    I’m amused by Bradford’s mention of a Padre Peregrino video. I for one do not expect top level analysis from any Catholic, even one who sees corruption in the church and hopes to reform it.

    I’d also encourage Chris Martenson to not compromise. The ends do not justify the means, ever. Unfortunately most worldviews don’t have a level of analysis above cycles of life and death that accept dissimulation for the greater good.

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 1:46pm

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    My gleaning from this thread

    Many have expressed a "what should I/we do" seeking advice either from Chris or Adam, or from the many (quite obviously intelligent) participants in this site. I can sympathize with that -- I've had many of the same feelings myself.

    Here's the thing. You can't (nor should you) expect some other person or agencyto tell you the recipe for achieving your own resiliency, safety, security or happiness. That's just not how things work.

    What Chris, Adam, and the many others on this site have done (for me, at least, and I speak strictly for myself) is to offer their confirmation and acceptance of my ability to think. To look at data. To drill down into it. To be willing to change my mind when the data changes. To adapt what I know and learn to my own personal situation. This is called "empowerment."

    Empowerment is the exact opposite of the message we hear in almost every ordinary media outlet. According to the "narrative" you can't beat the virus, you can't survive without masks, you are doomed if you were born with the wrong skin color or in the wrong place, or to the wrong set of parents, or if you have< a different sexual orientation or even "preference" ---
    Whatever it is, the overwhelming narrative has been a deafening, "You can't survive without US. Follow along and join US and WE will make it all better. Trust us."

    How often do we hear a message in ordinary MSM like we find on this site? A message that says, you CAN think for yourself. You CAN succeed. You CAN prosper. It's up to YOU.

    From where I stand, I'll take Chris, Evie, Adam, and the whole lot of this diverse, motley, occasionally ornery bunch over ANYTHING that I see almost anywhere else.

    And, a P.s. for Chris and Adam .. You both have charming and intelligent "highly significant" others that I for one hope to see a great deal more input from, as time unfolds. They have things to tell us, and I am ready to learn.

    Peace and prosperity to you all.

    Chuck

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 6:47pm

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    funfsinn14 said:

    You have concerns and that's fine but quite a bit of your post is putting words or intention in Chris's mouth and extrapolating from there. In doing so you're arguing with assumptions and not with the content. Better to keep in the scope of the post and look forward to any follow-up that'll come later. I'm sure 90% of the concerns will be clarified or addressed elsewhere.

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  • Mon, Nov 09, 2020 - 10:46pm

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    Well stated Chuck.

     

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  • Tue, Nov 10, 2020 - 12:08am

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    No more lockdown

    Van the man shares his perspective

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  • Tue, Nov 10, 2020 - 1:48am

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    Reset?

    The Great Reset sounds like a conspiracy theory. Remember that humans are a species. They will always behave like humans, collectively. Individuals may occasionally be seen doing something rational but let's not fool ourselves that humans, generally, will always act like humans unless their environment changes forcing a behavioural change. If I've got this wrong, I'd love to be corrected.

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  • Tue, Nov 10, 2020 - 4:08am

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    Great reset = more power/money for them, less for you

    Lets face it, whatever package they present to you will have the same stuff inside. I dont care if they call it socialism, great reset, agenda 21, environmental accords, etc,etc

    Its only going to go one way until the entire power structure has flipped upside down. Right now those at the top making the decisions have never been more powerful int he history of humanity. The idea that they are going to make "changes" that take anything from them to benefit you is moronic.

    Whatever they present to you for the "good of mankind" is the same warmed over shit sandwich in a different color bag.

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  • Tue, Nov 10, 2020 - 4:09am

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    the great reset

    Sofistek-

    If I've got this wrong, I'd love to be corrected.

    You've got this wrong.  Here's the website.

    https://greatreset.com/

    And a video from 2016 to get you rolling.  WEF (the proponents of the Great Reset - the billionaires who meet at Davos every year) deleted this video from their twitter feed just yesterday.  I got it from another source.

    https://www.brighteon.com/950f969c-ca4c-4fc1-b3a2-183db16fe85c

    While they talk about "sustainability", they just want to be the owners, and have us be the renters, for us to stay at home and not travel, so they can fly around on their jets using the remaining oil.

    Now that's human nature in action.

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  • Tue, Nov 10, 2020 - 8:02am

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    sofistek, i have a theory

    I think gravity is a conspiracy theory meant to hold us down on this planet and not let us disseminate our population throughout the universe.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

    BTW, the first mention I heard of The Great Reset was by the very well connected Jim Sinclair approximately 10 years ago.  So this conspiracy theory is nothing new.  This conspiracy theory has also apparently been embraced by the WEF.

    https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

    But it's only a conspiracy theory.  There is nothing to be concerned about here.  Government always has your greater good in mind and will protect you (and your children) as history has shown us time and time again.  The fact checkers will soon prove it false and the MSM will reassure you and tell you that you can rest easy (as long as whatever you're worried about isn't coming from Trump).  They will also likely announce a new wonder vaccine that can innoculate your brain and the brain of others such that no conspiracy theories take root.  We will soon be safe from such pernicious dangers.      

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  • Tue, Nov 10, 2020 - 9:26am

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    Thomas Aquinas taught the same social and economic principles

    Not at all. If you read the Summa carefully (e.g. not cherry-pick) you can see the logical progression of Aquinas' reasoning, which supports private property. Hell, he even quotes Aristotle on the subject. Here's a quote directly from the document you reference that contradicts your understanding of it all:

    I say that...Secondly, as regards their use, and in this way, man has a natural dominion over external things, because, by his reason and will, he is able to use them for his own profit, as they were made on his account: for the imperfect is always for the sake of the perfect, as stated above (II-II:64:1). It is by this argument that the Philosopher proves (Polit. i, 3) that the possession of external things is natural to man.

    But I confess you did give me my LOL of the day with this: I for one do not expect top level analysis from any Catholic. A few household-name Catholics off the top of my head I can spell...Fermat, Fermi, Descartes, Copernicus, Coulomb, Becquerel...and I got tired of typing...

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  • Tue, Nov 10, 2020 - 10:48am

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    yagasjai said:

    "The Great Reset" are, it is quite apparent that this is nothing more than a "rebranding" of the "New World Order"

    I am also suspicious of the "rebranded" sentiments outlined in the "Great Reset for Dummies" because they seem to correspond so closely to the 1905 piece called, "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" (relevant quotes below- see for yourself), which according to wikipedia is "a fabricated antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination." I realize that no one has explicitly said that this is a Jewish conspiracy, but the term "elites" is often a euphemism understood to mean as such. Which raises a question for me about who wants us to be misdirected in terms of our understanding of what is really going on. If the focus is on the "elites" (subtext Jewish conspiracy), then maybe we won't notice what is actually happening...

    The reason I bring this up is not to point fingers at anyone, only to examine a dynamic which is often difficult to pinpoint or articulate, which we all (myself included) would benefit from understanding better. The role of anti-Semitism, historically, has been to position the Jews between the ruling class and the working class to act as a "safety valve" or "cover" for the ruling class so that the legitimate rage of the workers never actually reaches the true source of the difficulty. Working people revolt. Jews are blamed. The system doesn't change. And neither do the living conditions for working people. The dynamic has repeated throughout history and as long as we remain confused by it, it will continue to derail any efforts made for lasting change.

    I am especially suspicious about why this rhetoric has been resurrected and is being recirculated now. To take a lesson from history, it's worth noting that after the collapse of the currency in Weimar Germany, it was the "Protocols of the Elder's of Zion" that was circulated widely. According to wikipedia,  "the Protocols also became a part of the Nazi propaganda effort to justify persecution of the Jews." And we all know the rest of that story. Something like 6 million Jews were killed. But the system never changed. Neither did the lives of working people. What will it mean if we fall for it again? This time, with a global collapse of the economy and creating a world worth inheriting on the line.

    To be clear, I'm not saying that there are not ultra wealthy people doing nefarious things behind the scenes, but I am quite sure not all of them are Jews. And I'm not sure they are as coordinated as we would imagine them to be-  Charles Hugh Smith talks about this. Charles Eisenstein also did a nice piece recently on the "Conspiracy Myth." And my point is to simply watch out when it starts looking like the Jews are the problem. That's the tip off something else is going on that the rest of TPTB do not want you to notice.

    For those who haven't read the "Protocols," here are some relevant lines you might find interesting:

    • p13 Who are the Elders? This is a secret which has not been revealed. They are the Hidden Hand.
    • p23 ... we were the first to cry among the masses of the people the words, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," words many times repeated since these days by stupid poll-parrots who, from all sides around, flew down upon these baits and with them carried away the well-being of the world.
    • p32... we have set all forces in opposition to one another, breaking up their liberal tendencies towards independence...
    • p44...in order to put public opinion into our hands we must bring it into a state of bewilderment by giving expression from all sides to so many contradictory opinions and for such length of time as will suffice to make the "goyim" (non-Jews) lose their heads in the labyrinth and come to see that the best thing is to have no opinion of any kind in matters political...
    • p47 ... It is essential therefore for us at whatever cost to deprive them of their land. This object will be best attained by increasing the burdens upon landed property- in loading the lands with debts.
    • p62... When we have accomplished our coup d'etat we shall say then to the various peoples: "Everything has gone terribly badly, all have been worn out with suffering, we are destroying the causes of your torment- nationalities, frontiers, differences of coinages..."
    • p68... But you yourselves perfectly well know that to produce the possibility of the expression of such wishes by all the nations it is indispensable to trouble in all countries the people's relations with their governments so as to utterly exhaust humanity with dissension, hatred, struggle, envy, and even by the use of torture, by starvation, by the inoculation of diseases, by want, so that the "Goyim" (non-jews) see no other issue than to take refuge in our complete sovereignty in money and all else.
    • p72...for we shall keep promising to give back all their liberties we have taken away as soon as we have quelled the enemies of peace and tamed all parties.
    • p73 ... it's not worth to say about how long a time they will be kept waiting for this return of their liberties...
    • p118... State needs must be paid by those who will not feel the burden and have enough to take from...
    • p131... nowadays all internal loans are consolidated by so-called flying loans, that is, such as have terms of payments more or less near. These debts consist of moneys paid into the savings banks and reserve funds. If left for long at the disposition of a government, these funds evaporate in the payment of interest on foreign loans and are place by the deposit of equivalent amount of rents. 
    • p134 One authority will be glorious because it will be all-powerful, will rule and guide, and not muddle along after leaders and orators shrieking themselves horse with senseless words... our authority will be the crown of order, and in that is included the whole happiness of man.

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  • Tue, Nov 10, 2020 - 12:12pm

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    A modest reply on Aquinas

    Of course Aquinas would have to establish a basis for private property before creating exceptions to it, and I was aware that he found support for it in Aristotle. I’m also aware of Fermat, Fermi, Descartes, Copernicus, Coulomb, et al. from my studies in physics and philosophy—I have a degree in each. And while I meant for my statement of “I do not expect top level analysis from a Catholic” to be in the context of a theory that can explain current events, such as the pandemic and Great Reset, I think it still applies with less precision to these historical thinkers, though it’s rather unfair because most of them did not have the opportunity to know what we can today, and also the church worked closely with the state so that being on friendly terms with it was essential to getting things done.

    I think part of your challenge is to see how I could possibly respond and confirm that I don’t know much. Perhaps so; I’m always learning. But I don’t expect to be able to challenge conventional narratives with yet another charge of conspiracy either. There isn’t enough shared foundation to work from. I’ve had to unlearn many things over the last twenty years, moving slowly in determining which ideas are trustworthy and which are not, and if tentative conclusions aren’t earned but merely given, they are without context, fragile and unreliable. I’m also disincentivized by seeing people I respect harassed or worse for saying what they know, and I don’t want to expose myself to that without good reason. I will tip my hand a little to say that my views are essentially Anabaptist, I have a rather literal view of the Bible, and that proper scientific inquiry supports it in amazing ways.

    I thought my quote of Aquinas was fair, and appreciated when compared to the well-known command to not steal. I chose Aquinas because of his antiquity, but I could have also quoted Leo XIII’s influential “Rerum Novarum” (1891), which allied the church with the proletariat against capitalism and its underlying rights of privacy and personal property.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 1:12am

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    What did I get wrong?

    Dave,

    I'm not sure what you think I got wrong. Maybe it isn't a conspiracy theory (though a website or a video doesn't prove it one way or the other) but I don't see how some people wanting humans to change their behaviour will actually make it happen. I don't think any species has voluntarily altered its characteristic behaviour.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 1:32am

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    evidence doesn't work

    Sofistek-

    "The Backfire Effect is strong in you, Young Skywalker."

    I know.  Evidence doesn't work to convince people of anything.

    To remind you:

    The Great Reset sounds like a conspiracy theory. Remember that humans are a species. They will always behave like humans, collectively. Individuals may occasionally be seen doing something rational but let's not fool ourselves that humans, generally, will always act like humans unless their environment changes forcing a behavioural change.

    We can agree, then.  The Great Reset isn't a conspiracy theory.  Its an actual plan, backed by a large number of really rich people.  And it has been in place for a while now.

    Who do you think donates to elections?  And gives rewards to politicians post "public service"?  That would be - "really rich people."

    Who got Biden elected?  "Really rich people."

    Why does Biden say "build back better" - the slogan of the Great Reset?

    "Really rich people."

    I'm not saying their plan is guaranteed to work.  I'm saying they are putting a whole lot of wood behind this arrow.  They are giving it their best shot.  And they are really rich people.  Even if it doesn't work, it will have a massive impact on you and me.

    And - I claim - that's because they are trying hard to convince us to stop using "their oil".

    Because - climate change - save the world - build back better - whatever.  They get to fly around their private jets ("to climate change talks!") while we are locked down at home, with our small businesses and our wealth destroyed.

    If you say it doesn't work - I will point to the fact that Western Europe has locked down once again.  And that airlines all over the world are going out of business.  Tourist country economies are getting crushed.  Oil consumption has cratered.  If the goal is to stop us from consuming "their oil" - it appears to have worked fantastically well.

    Cui bono, do you think?

    "Really rich people."

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 3:14am

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    planfortomorrow said:

    Well Folks, I have spent a small amount of time (90 hours) since "The Great Reset" was written about here last week. The knowledge that we have caused a 7% change for the positive in our environment with regards to clean air and our carbon foot print pleased me a great deal. It is what I want going forward with the benefit being a collective goal of the World to be more mindful of our environment.

    I don't see anything wrong with the idea of a rental society. My god, our land fills are filled with stuff that we put there after spend nice some's of cash on and now throw away because we made a mistake, an expensive mistake. The resources used to build these items and then trashed is just a sin. Now, these items get rented at fairy tale prices then sent back to the rental company's for someone else to use and the benefit is we will not waist the resources but once and I like that as I understand it.

    Imagine, items that have been rented, sent back and re-rented has run its course but these items still have life to them. You then could furnish for free many of these items to a 3rd world country and be given the poor. Lets say we can now build at much cheaper costs a high rise building to house those who can't afford a home. Then for free you furnish these homes with free furniture and now you have a family housed, and furnish for costs that are well managed and collectively we are taking care of these folks. Now, these folks have the time to imagine a better life and then get out there and start doing projects in their community to clean further their and by extension the worlds environment. This is something that makes me feel good and with the mind set having changes I believe is something collectively we can rally around. Why not!?

    This would be very deflationary I would imagine.

    Frankly, I found nothing that wouldn't bolt on to my personal goals of being proactive in my behavior and to do my small part to be a negative carbon foot print individual. I simply want an environment that is healthier and more sustaining so that climate change does not spiral out of control.

    The Atlantic Hurricane season has been my wake up call that something is very, very wrong. The fires on the West coast tells me we need to manage and make healthy our forest industry. We have so many extreme examples that we are really in serious trouble. Polar Ice caps melting is another ominous sign and the alkalinity levels in our oceans are just another example.

    We really need a plan, with everyone becoming more concerned with their personal habits that must be changed to change our worlds environment and ecological impacts.

    The WEF are at least seeing things for what it is. They are being proactive as it regards a better living standard, especially those that have nothing at all. Everyone deserves Food, Clothing, Water, a roof over their heads and warmth. Just with better food management, the stuff we throw away every day from our restaurants would go a long way to feeding those who live with hunger every day. and saving our environment. For this I have to give them a big two thumbs up for doing something.

    Conspiracy? I don't care so long as my little foot print is left for me to add my part to making this world better. In all of my life I haven't been restricted or bothered by the Elites to do as I wish. I have not been bothered by the police or any other institution of power that has altered my movements or doing the things I have wanted so the WEF gets my support to begin their agenda. I am NOT a pessimist and I don't take as my first stance a doom and gloom attitude. Especially when what they are doing and saying align so closely to my core beliefs.

    As always, I reserve the right to change my mind but, for now, I have no negative thoughts that would cause me to dismiss the WEF as a World Order Organization that is set to enslave me and that's my concern. If I'm allowed my freedoms, then I will be a supporter of this as it has no negatives that I can now see. It will have its fits and starts, with something this monumental there will be that.

    Good luck to all of you, I wish you all well and that our future and environment will be much better tomorrow than what it is today. Peace

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 6:50am

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    ckessel said:

    Prep 101,

    Your comment about the blueprint of the Great Reset (below)

    "This time, the blueprint of the Great Reset is to control all land, all water, all minerals, etc.They will start the assault on ordinary people with regulations, for example by cutting of your access to water, access to the road, or preventing you to build things on your land via permits. So JUST BEING RESILIENT IS NOT ENOUGH. You cannot hide."

    I think is more pertinent as an agenda of the New World Order. I say this because it is not just now beginning but rather is pretty well complete as an agenda item. All of those bullet points have been put in place and tightened up over the last 50 years.

    The Great Reset IMHO involves removing local/national control over these activities and moving more into an unseen control system that can use AI to monitor land use and activity changes (5G and google earth) along with your thoughts and attitudes via your devices.

    The complexity of the system will bring about its demise but I suspect it will not happen without some serious fallout.

    Meanwhile, who cares about a satellite watching your garden grow! Yes it could be darker than that but living within the framework of fear will have worse consequences.

    I agree with you about working within your community and to participate in the process. It is a worthwhile activity and builds lots of capital .......... and it can be very rewarding in times when you may think that all is about to be lost.

    And as a ps to pokjbv ....... IMHO you are very far off the mark. I suggest you spend some time asking yourself what you actually believe in.

    Coop

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 7:45am

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    Sofistek: this one's for you

    #build-back-better - A Scream!

    Judging from what you have said thus far about the Great Reset, my feeling is that you have read / investigated very little about this very serious issue. After you have done a deep dive like I and many others here have done, you can come back and we will then debate. But just remember, while people are dicking around arguing and debating about the validity of the Great Reset, the billionaires are implementing their seriously scary shit. They count on the sheeple remaining ignorant, and foment divisiveness for those who dare to question.

    You seem to consistently sport a proud contrarian persona, calling just about everything a conspiracy theory. It is tiresome. You forget that 'conspiracy theorist' is a derogatory term created by the elites to discredit those who question and probe - those who do not eat the daily pablum of their carefully crafted propaganda. I have moments, after readying your posts over the years, where, with all due respect, I think you are full of pablum!

    Please do the deep dive to find out what this is all about and then I might give you the time of day. Until then, I'll just skip over your unhelpful comments.

     

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 8:15am

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    Big Hugs and Kisses

    To you Jan nice post

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 8:20am

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    Seconding the hugs and kisses for Jan...

    Well said Jan.. well said.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 8:33am

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    LOL Jim & Mohammed

    I had a strong suspicion I was/am not alone in my thinking...

    Hugs back 😉

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 9:10am

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    sofistek, let me ask you these questions

    Has COVID19 changed human behavior?  Is there any evidence that this virus was not a naturally occurring one?  Is there any evidence that its release was not completely accidental and/or it was not planned beforehand?  Is there any evidence that the release of this virus would benefit certain parties both monetarily and in terms of power and control?  Have you applied the test of cui bono?  Therein lie your answers.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 9:12am

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    thirding hugs and kisses for Jan

    Way to go!

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 11:18am

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    @pokjbv

    "The I got mine and death to any that get near it mentality of preppers is going to be their death, because they represent a real threat to the society around them in their paranoia."

     

    I'm genuinely curious about this statement. Please explain it further. How are they a real threat to society?

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 11:30am

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    WEF: 8 predictions 

    "We'll have to do a better job at welcoming and integrating refugees"

    Here we go, Biden intending to flood the US with immigrants, especially those from 13 mostly Muslim/African countries.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-immigration-policy-agenda-trump-reversal-deportation-asylum/

    "Western values will have been tested to the breaking point."

    Citizen, you will now accept an absolute compliance:

    Preparing us to accept the coming mandatory vaccinations.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 11:34am

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    @pokjbv

    "which by my calculation will require a limiting of the population at least till our technology catches up"

    I guess for those of use who don't have a totalitarian mindset (I'm not trying to insult) passing laws to limit population would be diametrically opposed to most American's views. BTW you are not wrong about limiting the population, but how to do it?

    Bottom line is IMO, most people wouldn't go along with this. China which is totalitarian tried it and it didn't go as planned. People didn't like it even so. How do you do this in what are called democratic based countries?

    The solution is obvious. Do nothing and when population hits a tipping point, nature will cull the heard, or a war etc. The population will shrink, it has to. Is this a kinder way of dealing with the problem? No, IMO.

     

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 11:55am

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    Call me a cynic, but...

    ...thanks to Bill Gates, et all, it appears a much more proactive "culling of the herd" is now underway.

    My son texted me this morning "I'll hide in the forest before taking that vaccine lol"

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 12:37pm

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    Paranoia Reigns!

    Plan for Tomorrow,

    "I don't see anything wrong with the idea of a rental society. My god, our land fills are filled with stuff that we put there after spend nice some's of cash on and now throw away because we made a mistake, an expensive mistake. The resources used to build these items and then trashed is just a sin. Now, these items get rented at fairy tale prices then sent back to the rental company's for someone else to use and the benefit is we will not waist the resources but once and I like that as I understand it." Plan for Tomorrow.

    I agree absolutely. At some point resources either have to be shared or rationed. This is the harsh reality. It is scary to think there is a reset master plan but even scarier to contemplate a world where only those with wealth will be able to get by. A plan beats no plan.

    One thing 'the elites' don't want is to perish in a popular revolution of starving and freezing people.

    Those who are force feeding themselves a steady diet of alt right rambling paranoia have to get out, go for a walk and appreciate what we have left of nature and look forward to a master plan that includes all of us, not just the hyper wealthy.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 12:53pm

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    Trudeau Such a Creep. LOL Trying to help people. Yuk!

     "I got duped in our last federal election when Justin Trudeau, 'the younger' got elected PM" --Iana

    Oh, THAT guy. The one who almost immediately and efficiently sent out 2,000.00  checks to every working person, to ensure all but essential workers stayed home during the height of the pandemic?

    Same one who instituted the smooth delivery by merely requiring a quick phone call to  recieve a check, reasoning that the money would be clawed back through income tax if person was employed? That jerk?

    The same dude who is trying to thread the almost impossible needle of trying satisfy Alberta oil sands employees while looking after the environment and heeding the Paris accords. Creep.

    LOL. We have had amazing governance through this and all the other nonsense that has come up in the last few years. Not perfect by a long shot, but really great compared to many other governments!

    Trying to help the average Joe and Jane. Guy must be a communist.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 1:08pm

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    A key takeaway for those who are paying attention:

    The WHO, CDC, deep state operatives, and first world governments actively suppressed effective treatments to combat the virus, and so demonstrated that saving lives was not at all their objective. I contend it is not "paranoia" (your word) to mistrust their motivations and future "remedies" moving forward based upon their prior actions.

    "To paraphrase (Klaus Schwab) Covid-19 gives us a small window of opportunity for The Great Reset". Economist Jonathan Davis

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 1:29pm

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    Bradford

    I wasn't aware the CDC, WHO and deep state operatives designed the reset. Thanks for that information! By the way who are these 'operatives' who are in on the nasty plan to preserve the planet and save lives? I have a good motto for all those who think this way.

    If it's 'green,' it's gotta be mean.

    Don't people realize that 'green,' is always code for interment camps, death, destruction, jack booted thugs and stealing? So yeah, anyone who thinks that is paranoid thinking has a huge problem. LOL

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 1:36pm

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    Bradford

    "Vaccine" is always code for, "they are trying to kill me." Tell everybody. Inoculate your children with the truth before they are inoculated with poisons.

    We know this is true because someone on youtube said it. And they are far smarter and have fewer conflicts of interest than those developing vaccines.

    And don't listen to anybody who brings up click bait because they are part of it. The conspiracy, that is....or they don't know any better.

     

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 1:46pm

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    MagmaHombre999 said:

    The lesson is that the means are the end, always!!!

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 2:01pm

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    MagmaHombre999 said:

    Thank you for this link.  Thought it was great and crystallized the thoughts I have had about the "climate change" narrative, the "purpose" behind the release of the SARS-CoV-2 virus - zoonotic or lab-made the CCP made sure it got to the rest of the world, and the all-in censorship on the part of the dominant and want-to-be social media sites.  Dovetails perfectly with the except from the book Sky Dragon Slayers: Victory Lap – A sequel to the book, Slaying the Sky Dragon, that you can access via amazon.com that describes the  flaws in the "climate change" narrative, the misuse of basic physics in the "greenhouse gas theory", and the inability of these ideas to stand up to any rigorous critique, which, of course, then necessitates censorship.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 2:12pm

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    MagmaHombre999 said:

    Can't remember where I read the research (it was more than 5 years ago), but there is research on rats that found that increasing population density (of the rats), increased homosexual behaviors.  Environmental contaminants like mercury and the pesticide atrazine may also do the same.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 2:15pm

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    agitating prop

    Maybe you've noticed that the current circumstances, and institutional behaviors, are not at all now what they used to be. Perhaps, like Dr. Martenson, you too will undergo a fundamental change in perspective! For me, the players involved in "managing" public health affairs are no longer worthy of my trust.

     

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 2:31pm

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    MagmaHombre999 said:

    With regard to our finite planet, there is a very simple calculation one can do.  Take the current world population growth rate, the average weight of an human adult, and calculate how long it will take for the weight of all humans to equal the mass of the earth.  Depending on assumptions, it is something like 4500 to 7000 years.  Of course, that will never happen.  Total social collapse and resource wars will happen first, or the "elite" will arrange several meteorite impacts while they are all at Davos.

    CM's point that the GR will be managed by 10-15 "leading" countries, which are likely to be those countries ignoring real, inexpensive solutions to Covid-10 such as ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, ozone therapy, vitamin D3 + Zn + nutrition, chlorine dioxide, and other combination therapies, is interesting.  The "leading" countries then exclude India, Brazil, all African countries (South Africa, Nigeria, Ethiopia, etc), Indonesia.  If I didn't know better (and I don't), I would say this reeks of colonialism and racism with eugenic forethoughts.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 2:33pm

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    Thanks westcoastjan

    OK, you're right that I didn't do a deep dive into the great reset but then I don't have time to do a deep dive into every theory that a few people come up with so I often have to exercise some critical thought with the little I've read or heard.  However, I tried to find time to read through that Tessa Fights Robots piece that you linked to. There's a mix of opinions in there, some of which I'd agree with and some of which I wouldn't; there is also some contradictory stuff. This was good:

    It is absolutely true that the soulless, utilitarian approach to nature, to life, and to other living beings has been extremely destructive—with the most immediate, most visible destruction outsourced to “third world countries” and to the less financially fortunate people in the West. (See landfills, Cancer Alley, and unhealthy, poison-filled non-organic foods). It is true that massive consumerism and the use disposables (brought to us by more or less the same parties who are now scolding people for consumerism) have created a lot of messes. It is true that our oceans and lungs are full of plastic, that the amount of chronic disease is skyrocketing, and that many species are dying off. It is true that our soil, our food, and our bodies are tainted with highly toxic glyphosate. It is true that usually, decades pass between the time manufacturers realize the toxicity of their product and the time when saying so in a conversation stops being a conspiracy theory. All true. However, it is also true that the people who are pointing fingers at social ills and telling us that we need a Great Reset are from same camps and lineages that have caused it in the first place. It is true that underneath the language of their marketing brochures, there is toxicity and havoc that greatly exceed what we have today. Thus, they are either idiots or liars—and I am afraid it is the latter. However rich, they are not even remotely morally qualified to fix anything in this world. And whatever we choose to do to heal our relationship with nature and with each other—it definitely isn’t the technofascist, neofeudal Great Reset.

    In the above she seems to be acknowledging that humans have done a lot of damage to our home. However, a little later, she writes:

    And furthermore, the planet has enough for all, and the reason we are facing scarcity is because that 0.0001% of people control a lot.

    Which implies that we should be able to extract whatever level of resources that everyone would want. She also doesn't seem to fully accept human caused climate change and does seem to support continued use of fossil fuels.

    Specifically on the great reset, she does write:

    I don’t think that this exact vision will ever come true in full. It is likely to implode before it gets half-way there—and some of what I just described is no more than daydreaming of a very broken mind.

    But then most of the article is a rail against something she doesn't think will come to pass, though it would erode our apparent freedoms as these competing elites do attempt some kind of loose coalition to control our lives.

    I tried following some links but most seemed to be just links to other articles of a similar opinion whilst at least one link to a WEF page failed.

    Hey, I don't trust the super-wealthy, just as I don't trust politicians (even if they get some things right), many of whom are super wealthy. I also don't label everything a conspiracy theory, as you claimed, but there are so many of these that I do tend to skim over most of them (an example of one I don't is the 9/11 one, which has still a load of unanswered questions for me).

    I suppose my views are highly skewed by the environmental degradation that is happening and seems to be speeding up. Such degradation will render any economic plans worthless eventually (and I don't think that means centuries; more likely a few decades).

    I'll suffix this comment with the acknowledgement that I'm fortunate to live in a country (NZ) that seems to have gotten its COVID-19 response about right, giving most people a feeling of living reasonably normally (apart from international travel). For those living elsewhere, it can probably feel like someone is trying to deny them their freedoms for ever.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 2:39pm

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    People mass versus planet mass

    The weight of humans can never equal the mass of the planet. Humans (and all other life forms) are part of the planet. At "best" humans can be the whole planet though, of course, that is also impossible. It's possible that we've only got a few decades of a habitable planet left, though it depends on whether civilisational collapse happens quickly enough to allow ecosystems to start regenerating.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 2:54pm

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    Behavioural change

    ao said:

    Has COVID19 changed human behavior? Is there any evidence that this virus was not a naturally occurring one? Is there any evidence that its release was not completely accidental and/or it was not planned beforehand? Is there any evidence that the release of this virus would benefit certain parties both monetarily and in terms of power and control? Have you applied the test of cui bono? Therein lie your answers.

    It has temporarily changed some aspects of the behaviour of some people. Is this noticeable at the global level (other than a reduction in air travel)? Is it voluntary?

    Yes, Chris has presented some of that evidence. I'm not sure what your point is, though.

    Evidence of a negative is very hard to come by. We don't know for certain what the origins are so can't be very definitive on it.

    I don't think there is evidence that the virus was planned in order to benefit certain parties though there is evidence that it has done so.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 2:55pm

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    ...around my back and to the Moon. oxoxox! LOL

    Nice, pointed, and honest response.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 3:11pm

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    sofistek

    I appreciate your thoughtfulness and your candor. I'd be interested in your take on a hypothetical, or maybe not such a hypothetical question: If the survival of the species absolutely seemed to depend upon surreptitiously shortening the lifespan of the current population, without their knowledge or their consent, would that in fact be a moral decision for a governing elite to be making for the "greater benefit" of the collective? You probably suspect how I would answer the question, but I'm endeavoring to keep an open mind.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 3:34pm

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    Hard Choices

    In the UN Emergency Response arena we are taught how to judge the value of life in triage situatons when one cannot save all.  One life is worth less than two.  One healthy life is worth more than a seriously injured/sick life.  Younger is worth more than older.  These are hard choices so yes the elite can consider that killing off a bunch of us now- especially the older or less healthy - in order to preserve the planet is indeed ethical.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 3:54pm

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    Bradford said:

    Thank you Mary, I really appreciate your honest response. I think that the difference here is that this "situation" is not being presented as an actual emergency to those who are involved. Instead, action is being taken without them even being informed of the dire circumstances, and that level of dishonesty concerning their life and death, is in fact immoral.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 4:02pm

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    If I May

    This discussion as with all other discussions about the "Great Reset" lack one crucial point. That point is the GR is totally hierarchical. I know lots of people who voted in the recent erection. I do not know anyone who participated in WEF. I don't know anyone in the Tri Lat, CFR, Club of Rome , Bilderbergers but they seem to be making lots of plans and decisions for me and mine.

    You can say what you want about Trump but the very first day in office he killed the TPP. That one move sealed his fate because the aforementioned groups don't like their plans disrupted. The final nail in the coffin for Trump was the speech he gave at Davos. He basically told them to shove it.

    The divide on opinions on the GR appears to be along socialist/capitalist lines. The US is a country founded on the principle of a government For the People of the People and by the People. Clearly there are some people from socialist countries taking part in the discussion, that are more socialist.

    Even at that rate it would seem they would want a voice in what shape the world will take. All treaties negotiated must be ratified by the Senate. I would assume any plans the GR has for the US will at least be transparently aired and debated by elected officials.

    There have been revolutions fought around the world to throw off the shackles of aristocracy. The aristocracy never sleeps they are constantly at work planning a world to their liking. For me it is hard to miss how they operate. Michael Hudson has posited the goal is a Global Neo Feudal System. The serfs will not be tied to the land they will be tied to the currency.

    Their window of opportunity is here with the virus. People will be so desperate they will look for anything to ease their suffering. The GR will offer them that but at what cost?

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 4:07pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    "I don't see anything wrong with the idea of a rental society. My god, our land fills are filled with stuff that we put there after spend nice some's of cash on and now throw away because we made a mistake, an expensive mistake. The resources used to build these items and then trashed is just a sin. Now, these items get rented at fairy tale prices then sent back to the rental company's for someone else to use and the benefit is we will not waist the resources but once and I like that as I understand it." Plan for Tomorrow.

    I agree absolutely. At some point resources either have to be shared or rationed. This is the harsh reality. It is scary to think there is a reset master plan but even scarier to contemplate a world where only those with wealth will be able to get by. A plan beats no plan.

    One thing 'the elites' don't want is to perish in a popular revolution of starving and freezing people.

    Those who are force feeding themselves a steady diet of alt right rambling paranoia have to get out, go for a walk and appreciate what we have left of nature and look forward to a master plan that includes all of us, not just the hyper wealthy.

    While we all agree that we will, on the whole, need to accept less consumption of stuff in the future, you are missing some important points.

    Firstly, if everyone is renting stuff, then who owns it? Someone must. Why should the owners get the privilege to own everything we use? Are the owners put there democratically and openly by all us underlings of society who are under the restrictions of these "rental" agreements?

    Secondly, who gets to decide this "rationing" as you call it? Why do you not question who they are, what their motives are, and why you are not to be included in deciding who gets what rations?

    Thirdly, why does this "rationing" need to be done by a closed-door central planning agency? I thought that's what markets with real interest rates are for. If there is scarcity then the prices of oil and other resources will rise, automatically creating the "rationing" we are discussing via simple supply and demand dynamics, with no central rationing agency required. Instead, the rationing you seem to be describing is reminiscent of communism. And we know from past examples of communism that central planning of resource extraction activities does not work.

    Fourth, the prices of these commodities up to today has been artificially suppressed for decades through financial manipulation, done intentionally to promote consumption and a growing economy. So why now are the same people who promoted the over-consumption economy now suddenly seeing the light and suggesting that they should be the ones entrusted with fairly "rationing" it to us in the future? Why do you grant them your trust? Do you even know who they are?

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 4:34pm

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    Couldn't Agree More

    Hi /Bradford

    I agree 100% with you.  The level of elite that I worked with was not so high but I did have interaction with some of them and heard stories of course.  The UN is a wierd place to work for sure...Most of the people are little mechanics like I was, little worker bees with good intention and have NO idea what is really going down at the top levels of some of the agencies.  Many agencies are left alone as being uninteresting for the elite and part of the "cover story"...  Even at the level that I was exposed to, alot of the senior management are very egotistical and are encourged to be so.   Big salaries, little blue special passports, diplomatic immunity, tax free booze...even red carpets under our feet at the airports, playing bigshot in little fishponds.  Alot of the people making big decisions in the Bretton Woods plus realm are cocky, conceited and a little freaky too.  All bets are off with that lot.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 4:39pm

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    Very well said MM

    Thank you MM for this comment. Clear, concise and on point.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 4:51pm

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    Okay, thank you for that...

    OK, you're right that I didn't do a deep dive into the great reset but then I don't have time to do a deep dive into every theory that a few people come up with so I often have to exercise some critical thought with the little I've read or heard.

    With respect to the above comment, your 'but' negates your admission of being uninformed and attempts to justify your position, which pretty much serves to discount the intent of the comment...

    If you do not have time to do the deep dive that many on this site like to do for important topics, that is fine, no worries - there is no requirement here for that. It would be nice (and appreciated) though, if you would think twice before disparaging those who have taken the time to become well informed and who continue to learn and educate themselves as new information becomes available.

    When you do as you have done here, you damage your own credibility. This signals to me that your comments are not to be given much weight and therefore not worthy of my time to create a thoughtful response. Something you might want to think about going forward, given your track record.

    Oh, I forgot to ask in my initial comment: you are not related to Doug are you? 😉

    Cheers!

     

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 4:54pm

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    Very informative Mary!

    I believe it's in our DNA, at least most of us, to sacrifice when reality calls upon us to do so, just like people have jumped into frozen rivers to save somebody that they don't even know. It's the deception of the elites making life and death decisions for the peasant class, without getting any "buy in" from them, that is so completely repugnant in this case. They deprive the individual of their free choice to give their life up on their own terms, if it's really required.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 5:14pm

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    Not rationing equals starvation

    "If there is scarcity then the prices of oil and other resources will rise, automatically creating the "rationing" we are discussing via simple supply and demand dynamics, with no central rationing agency required. Instead, the rationing you seem to be describing is reminiscent of communism" Mark BC

    Heaven forbid that during extreme scarcity rationing is implemented. As a way of preventing mass starvation and homelessness it is the only way to go.

    FDR had to implement major social programmes during the Great Depression and it looks like the Reset is somewhat similar.

    I don't think anybody here realizes just how bad things could get and how dangerous. If rationing prevents a descent into madness and chaos, who wouldn't take rationing instead. And if there is a reboot along the lines of a green economy? Perfect.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 5:25pm

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    West Coast Jan

    I read some of the author you suggested and some highlighted text. She seems to me to be fundamentalist in her thinking. "The very people who brought you toxic this and dangerous that are now going to save you?" This implies that they are soulless automatons, and are unable to change with the times. Also that "the elite" don't see the writing on the wall and realize it imperils them if they don't act. Climate chaos is dangerous to them and the economic fall out, if not remedied is also very dangerous.

    Within the mind of every billionaire is a clear line. One side is full of  images of gold, power and dollars. It is equally balanced on the other side by images of guillotines, firing squads, pitchforks and torches.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 5:26pm

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    FDR

    The policies FDR instituted were not in any way altruistic. He was faced with the very real prospect of a revolution. He did what he did to keep that from happening. The myth is stronger than fact. Facts are easily discovered by studying history

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 5:38pm

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    MMast

    Pretty much what I wrote, Mast. And historians don't know intent anymore than you or I do. It looks and feels like it was a way to avoid a revolution. But it could also have been motivated by altruism. The 2 intentions aren't mutually exclusive.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 5:45pm

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    (deception by the elites = disaster)

    People will tighten their belts if they are told the truth. What is in fact dangerous is when the masses discover that they have been played, and lied to. Covid 19 was the elite's opportunity to push an agenda that was never discussed and no one agreed to. Definitely not the middle class business owners, so many of whom got decimated by design.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 6:06pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Study History

    Volumes have been written

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 12:05am

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    Well informed

    westcoastjan,

    As far as I'm aware, I'm not related to Doug.

    You didn't touch on any of the points I made but that's your prerogative. You may well be "well informed" but just seeking out information that concurs with your views is not the same as being well informed; not that I'm saying you've done that. I can certainly comment on posts and other comments here; there is no requirement to do a "deep dive" into every opinion before offering mine. I've been around long enough to be able to comment on these things. Others certainly know more than I but that doesn't mean that I can't have valid comments. I'm not sure what you mean by my "track record" except that I'm sure that common commenters may draw the ire of some who disagree with my views. I've also received PMs from those who agree with them. None of this confirms anything, of course.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 4:38pm

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    Benevolent Philanthropy and Misguided Thinking

    For those commentators who have indicated that they think the Great Reset is a conspiracy theory, or may even be a good thing, please watch this 45 minute video The Money Takeover of Medicine

    The video, 7 years old but perhaps even more relevant today, is a James Corbett expose on how the Rockefellers completely and totally set up, co-opted, controlled and profited from the American medical system, the pharmaceutical industry, and the insurance industry. It is simply astounding what they have done, and continue to do.  The beginning 8 minutes expose the Obamacare BS and gets into the other stuff after that. The key info starts at the 21 minute mark. Near the end, David Rockefeller is on video actively stating population control is needed.

    To use an analogy from the video, The Great Reset is nothing more than snake oil but at scale, being packaged as benevolent philanthropy for the global masses. The reality is that the billionaires are all doing a David Rockefeller manoeuvre (new verb!) to enrich themselves while appearing to 'do good'. In other words, same shit, different era. That is not to say that some good may not in fact get done by the WEF - that will satisfy the lower level plebes, but that is not the ultimate goal. Neither is money, as James posited at the end of the video, and which I concur with - they are already rich beyond measure. It is all about power. God like power. What greater power is there than having complete and total control over all humans and their lives & activities. That is where we are headed. 🙁

    Some people are asking why now? Or saying this is just a regurgitation of the New World Order, or whatever name you want to choose. The difference is technology. This plan has been in place for generations. What was lacking was the 'how'. All the advances in technology and the leap to AI, machine learning and nanotechnology has enabled them to move from planning to actually implementing. SARS Cov-2 proved to be the one big catalyst - FEAR - that they needed to begin in earnest. Whether it was gifted to them or they are responsible for it is a moot point. It is game on, with the guinea pig testing already going on in various locations in the world.

    It is the same old club doing what they do best, and what they have been doing since Cecil Rhodes as his dying wish expressed the need for continuation of his work:

    “Why should we not form a secret society with but one object the furtherance of the British Empire and the bringing of the whole uncivilised world under British rule for the recovery of the United States for the making the Anglo-Saxon race but one Empire…”

    It is no coincidence that Bonnie Prince Charlie is up to his eyeballs in the WEF. The British Royals are the wizard behind the Deep State Curtain.

    I could post so many more links to fascinating reads. This is enough for now. Whether anyone bothers to read, up to you...

    Hopefully this will post with all the links without the spam alter being triggered. Fingers crossed...

     

     

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  • Sat, Nov 14, 2020 - 4:47pm

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    Great Reset is a re-branding of the New World Order

    ckessel,
    I agree. James Corbett has immersed himself in the material of the Great Reset, and it turns out it is a re-branding of the New World Order:

    Your Guide to The Great Reset:
    https://www.corbettreport.com/your-guide-to-the-great-reset/

    Chris and Adam should take note and study up on the literature of the NWO. Because it indeed has a long and meaningful history. They should start with the lecture from G. Edward Griffin on "The Quigley Formula" which can be found on YouTube at this moment. Chris and Adam have been superb in some aspects (eg. HCQ), and slow in other aspects. And that's O.K., we're all just humans. But they're coming around, it seems, which is a very good thing.

    I don't think anyone is reading this comment anymore, but Chris and Adam might and that's good enough for me, so cheers to both of you!

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 10:50am

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    And Voila - Infrastructure Development for Digital ID Roll Out in BAAANADA

    TORONTO, September 15, 2020 – The Digital ID & Authentication Council of Canada (“DIACC”) today announced the launch of the Pan-Canadian Trust FrameworkTM (“PCTF”), a set of digital ID and authentication industry standards that will define how digital ID will roll out across Canada. Its launch marks the shift from the framework’s development into official operation and will begin alpha testing by public and private sector members in Canada. The alpha testing will inform the launch of DIACC’s PCTF Voila Verified Trustmark Assurance Program  (“Voila Verified”), set to launch next year.

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    Lord 'Ave Mercy "Pon HUS

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 1:09pm

    westcoastjan

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    And away we go...no more hidden agenda hiding

    Canadian PM Trudeau admitting that Covid is an excuse to institute a new global economic order.  Using words 'reset' and 'build back better' (so far as I can hear without caption lol)

    Edit: I cannot find this on Global News so the veracity is in question. Will update if I am able to verify as being true.

    Found the video on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J7vGXNheDs It is from Sept and apparently a clip for a UN production.

    A few more related tidbits that add credibility:

    https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/readouts/2020/06/11/prime-minister-trudeau-speaks-his-royal-highness-prince-wales-and

    Today, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke with His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales and the Commonwealth group of Permanent Representatives to the United Nations regarding financing for development and the Great Reset initiative. The Prime Minister thanked His Royal Highness for initiating the discussion at such a critical time and for championing the Great Reset initiative to build a better and more sustainable future for all.

    Prime Minister Trudeau highlighted the importance of the Commonwealth as a space for dialogue and collective action on global issues related to sustainable development. He addressed the ongoing challenge posed by COVID-19 and the need to build back stronger, more resilient, and greener economies. The Prime Minister also noted the importance of multi-stakeholder partnerships between governments, the private sector and civil society in shaping the future global economy in a way that supports social inclusion, fairness, equality, and sustainability.

    Of course we know Prince Charles is up to his eyeballs with the WEF. I suspected Trudeau prorogued our Parliament in Aug-Sept so he could get his marching orders re UBI and reforms from the the WEF et al. I have no doubts that was the only reason.

    Going to be interesting watching this play out...

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 2:50pm

    Mary59

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    The Trudeau clip is real as Reported by UN also

    https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/09/1073812

    Pls note that the photo in the UN article is the same as the video thus this is real.

    Quote Comrade Trudeau

    “The world is in crisis, and not just because of the last few months. Not just because of COVID-19. But because of the last few decades. And because of us”, he said in a pre-recorded speech for the gathering.

    Mr. Trudeau recalled that following war and economic collapse, previous generations established the UN, and international finance organizations in the mid-20th century, such as the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, thus laying the foundations for a rules-based international order and shared global prosperity.

     

     

     

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 3:13pm

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    Gov Jamaica has also sold her soul by buying into the Great Reset.

    From 1986 to 1997, I lived in Jamaica, became a citizen, taught school, went to school and loved that land and its people.  Godspeed Jamaica. Respect Due.  My guess is Jamaicans will not take this sitting down and we can learn alot about resilience from this island.  They will not go down without a fight.

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    The Prime Minister (Justin Trudeau) also spoke about the joint initiative he recently launched with the United Nations Secretary-General and the Prime Minister of Jamaica to accelerate the global response to the pandemic. This initiative emphasizes the need to improve access to critical development financing, including by low- and middle-income countries, to help them recover and “build back better”, creating more prosperous, resilient and inclusive economies and societies.

    COVID-19 is a rapidly evolving global challenge. The Government of Canada is working closely with international partners to minimize the economic impact of the virus and to ensure that the global recovery is focused on building back stronger, more sustainable economies.

    This was from the link as noted by WestCoastJan.

    https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/readouts/2020/06/11/prime-minister-trudeau-speaks-his-royal-highness-prince-wales-and

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 3:24pm

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    Sky News Australia reporting gets five stars!

    Well done by one honest news source. The Australian Parliament is apparently just as captured as the deep state is here in the U.S..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF_kXE-HXSQ

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 4:26pm

    Mary59

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    Ten Minutes Must Watch

    Thank you Bradford for posting this ten minutes of awesomeness. WOW

    He tells him off BIG TIME.  Wonderful to see someone doing this.

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 4:35pm

    westcoastjan

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    Australia was done the day the Queen sacked the PM

    The Sacking of Gough Whitlam and the Royal Intention Behind the Five Eyes

    An important reckoning with a great historical injustice is underway in Australia which presents the world with a rare opportunity to look into the darker corners of the corridors of power too often ignored by even the most ardent truth seekers among us.

    This reckoning has taken the form of a four-year, hard fought legal battle which a lone crowd funded Australian historian named Jenny Hocking waged in the highest courts of her nation to win the right on May 30, 2020 to make 211 secret letters held within Australia’s National Archives public for the first time since they were deposited in 1978.

    These palace letters were written between the Queen of England (via her personal secretary) and her Governor General in Australia Sir John Kerr during the latter’s tenure as official Head of State during the interim of 1974-1978 and until last week’s court ruling, were intended to be kept hidden until December 8, 2037.

    What makes these letters such a point of national controversy is that they contain information which will undoubtedly shed light upon the active role of the Queen herself in carrying out an act which essentially amounted to a modern coup d’état of November 11, 1975. During this sad period, Kerr made history by not only sacking the elected Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, but also revealed the scope and nature of the British Monarchy’s very real powers in our modern age.

    In a way Gough Whitlam was like Trump - he stood up to the powers that be and tried to do the right thing, and got sacked for it. I see a parallel with what has happened to Trump. I am not by any means a fan of the guy for his obnoxiousness (understatement), but it seems he did try to go against the Davos crowd - and is now paying the price for it.. My take anyway...

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 6:00pm

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    Justin Trudeau

    Any question that he is one of "them"?  No.

    You know that Biden's transition website is "BuildBackBetter". Wow! What a strange coincidence.

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 11:24pm

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    MagmaHombre999 said:

    I have never been able to understand why the plebs here in the USA go so Ga-Ga over anything or anyone royal.  I thought the American revolution was suppose to get rid of the royalty.  Perhaps, its time to chop off their stipends, not their heads. Its the money that gives them power and status.

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  • Sun, Nov 15, 2020 - 11:34pm

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    MagmaHombre999 said:

    Yes, Trump is / was the most visible opponent of the Great Reset in the USA simply because his basis philosophy (witness his UN speech of this year) in diametrically opposed to the WEC and Global Reset eletist agenda though he has never spoken about it in those terms.  His speech, one of his best that I've heard, got a very cool reception for the very reason that it that most governments in the world are all-in on the Great Reset.

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  • Mon, Nov 16, 2020 - 1:08am

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    Cool Reception

    If that was a great speech then I guess no other leader has ever given a great speech.  In Trump's mind, probably noone ever has. There is little wonder that it got a cool reception.

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  • Mon, Nov 16, 2020 - 2:15pm

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    Candian Military in the news again... going to help re virus egads

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canadian-military-prepares-to-help-with-covid-19-vaccine-distribution-1.5191182'

    It's all downhill from here folks...

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  • Thu, Nov 19, 2020 - 12:26pm

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    Read of the day - IMHO

    Will the future belong to the patriots or globalists?

    "... Today a small window is still open for a renewal of the forgotten traditions of the American republican traditions that were upheld by such leaders as John Quincy Adams, Lincoln, Grant, Garfield, McKinley, Harding, FDR and JFK. President Trump has clearly taken a stand in opposition to the reconquest of the republic by the deep state and it remains to be seen if the American people have the fortitude to do everything in their power to organize themselves in defense of the republic and civilization more generally."

    The $64,000 question is will anyone rise up, stick their necks out, and do what must be done? I guess the next 6 months or so will be telling...

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