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    More Evidence Covid-19 May NOT Be Natural

    The data is starting to mount on the side of at least *some* manipulation
    by Adam Taggart

    Thursday, May 7, 2020, 8:34 AM

Natural or man-made/manipulated?

The debate rages on, though evidence is starting to mount on the side of at least *some* manipulation.

In Tuesday’s video, Chris talked about the polybasic furin cleavage site PRRA which looks suspiciously like an ‘insert’ in covid-19’s genetic coding.

In today’s video, he focuses on the RaTG13 sequence, which raises even more questions. It suggests that either the sequence itself is not natural OR that the larger covid-19 virus isn’t.

There are even further questions raised by the virus’ E protein. But enough of the science-speak. I’ll let Chris explain it all to you here:

Don’t forget to get your free download of Peak Prosperity’s book Prosper!. Given its relevance to preparing for any kind of crisis, pandemic or otherwise, Chris and I are now making it available to the world for free during the covid-19 lockdown.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 8:50am

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    tkocou

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    Fish Oil Supplement

    According to Mayo Clinic, Fish oil can help suppress blood clotting which could be a good thing or a bad thing. Read the "Interactions" section near the bottom of the article.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements-fish-oil/art-20364810

     

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 9:30am

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    sand_puppy

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    Adam, PP mail is not working

    Hey Adam,

    My PP mail is not working correctly.  The profile pictures of the sender are HUGE and cover the text fields and buttons.  I can read messages sent to me and cannot reply as the "SEND" button is covered up.

    I'm out of communication.  Help please.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 9:35am

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    dtrammel

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    Not Sure What To Make Of This?

    Majority of new cases in NYC are people sheltering in place.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

    Maybe the at risk people with large public exposure already have been sick?

    Maybe stay at home people are not practicing the level of decon that they need to for their limited journeys out?

    Nearly half are minorities and old, are they getting this from family members?

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 9:38am

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    pangiagreg

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    Must watch before You Tube Pulls Again.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXEvQrGBVc&t=198s

     

    Judy Mikovits main points:

    1. Dr Fauche took her paper on HIV AIDs and rewrote it taking credit and getting patents on it. This delay caused the virus to spread more quickly "killing millions"

    2. Individual goverment employees are allowed to patent vaccines that tax payers have paid for.

    3. She's not anti-vaccine but claims No RNA vaccines work.

    4. Covid 19 was altered either in North Carolina or Wuhan

    5. Covid 19 Death numbers are not accurate because they aren't testing

    6. Hospitals are incentivized to put Covid on the death certificate. 13k from medicare for the hospital, 39k with ventilator.

    7. A current Flu vacine used in Italy causes users to become more susceptible to all coronaviruses.

    8. Certain medicines we already have are effective in treating the virus but aren't being used because they are too cheap.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 9:59am

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    karenchantal

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    Thank you

    Thank you again for the great reporting.  Unfortunately, Covid-Fatigue has let my ADHD kick in to 100%.......  And alot of what you said, went right over my head, lol.

    But I appreciate the hard work and maybe in a few months I might regain a clear head.

    But where ever Covid came from, I am suspicious.   Just because of the great measures China took.  As is WELDING people's doors shut.

    I am think this might have some long term medical effects on people who don't even know they have it.  No medical reason, or science based fact.  Just how extreme China went in containing people.

    Thank you guys!

     

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 10:04am

    Quercus bicolor

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    My take on NYC new cases

    I think it's fairly simple.  The "Home" category probably comprises at least 90% of the people in NYC.  I did find some stats to indicate that the U.S.A. nursing home population is about 0.5% of the population.  I'm guessing it's similar in NYC.  My best guess without digging deep is that homeless and prison each are about 1-2%, assisted living is similar and other is perhaps a few percent.  So 90% is probably conservative.  The fact that only 66% of admissions are from home shows a lower rate relative to population (66/90 ~ 73% of the average).  Conversely, if the other groups indeed represent 10% of the population, their rates are much higher (34/10 = 3.4 times the average rate).

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 10:19am

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    bfelton

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    Mutations over time

    Wouldn't we expect the number of mutations to grow with the number of cases? A million people with the virus gives it a million times the opportunities to pick up a mutation, compared to when it was only replicating in patient zero.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 10:27am

    Linda T

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    Re: PP mail not working

    sand_puppy,

    I had that same issue few days ago, for all I know I still do. When I tried to read a message someone sent to me, someone else's picture was HUGE and covered up most of my inbox. This process didn't work each time, but I discovered that if I kept clicking on a message, then changing it back to unread, using the toggle button, and repeating those steps a few times I was finally able to read it. Sometimes it didn't work, if I came back later, and repeated the process it was successful.

    I know that's a pain in he you know what, but it was a workaround until it hopefully gets fixed by the IT folks.

    Linda

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 10:54am

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    Joihn Morphopoulos

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    Can't find study via search engines

    I can't find the Spain study or the French study by searching on Google, Yahoo or Bing.

    Are these available; how do I find these study results?

    Thanks, John

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 11:14am

    Jim H

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    Try this site John

    James Todaro, MD has collected lots of hydroxychloroquine data links, including I think those you are looking for here;  https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1O6Cls-Oz2ZAgJuyDbnICEGjMvQPEyM-aaXARUomR9Ww/mobilebasic

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 11:17am

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    Judge demands Salon Owner apologize for being selfish.

    Salon owner refuses says it’s not selfish to work to feed your kids.  She gets a week in prison.  This AFTER prisoners like car thieves, convicted bunglers are released because they might be exposed to the virus in prison.

     

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 11:32am

    Linda T

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    Re: search engines

    Joihn,

    Have you tried searching with Duckduckgo? Google has starting to ramp up their filtering protocols, especially when it comes to info on HCQ. Yahoo is owned by Verizon Oath now, I would about bet they're filtering too, and Bing is owned by Microsoft which is most likely still connected to Bill Gates even though he "stepped down". Yeah right...

    I have used Duckduckgo.com for 10-15 years.

    Linda

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 11:43am

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    DS9

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    Mouse cursor not visible in videos

    Thanks for the great daily content, but PLEASE make sure that the mouse cursor is visible in the recorded videos uploaded to youtube. Especially when explaining the evolutionary tree of viruses or the point mutation in codons the presentation is really hard to follow if you can't see where Chris is pointing the mouse.

    Thanks a lot!

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 11:44am

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    Texas Supreme Court orders Salon Owner Shelly Luther be released from jail.

    The Lieutenant Governor of Texas offered to pay the Salon Owners fine of $7,000 and take her place.

     

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 12:05pm

    tatagiri

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    Re:Must watch before You Tube Pulls Again.....

    This is some BS sandwiched between some things which are true ... making you believe the whole is true. Overall, it seems to propagate the deep state theory and creating a cover for Trump's inadequacies on preparedness for covid.

    - she was advocating against masks

    - It is very unlikely everything is a global conspiracy to take liberties away - we cannot seem to coordinate ourself to get chicken & eggs to store - forget able to coordinate a global conspiracy

    -  "Covid 19 Death numbers are not accurate because they aren't testing"  --  Each state has a different regulation on how to count. Some are liberal , some are very strict - but regardless chris has shown that there are far too many deaths in lot of countries. Did she ask where are the tests, PPEs,HCQ  and masks ??? nope

    - If someone invented, they should be able to patent it on their name, profiting is a different question.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 12:17pm

    Island girl

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    Island girl said:

    Another browser option that doesn't track you is Startpage by Ixquick

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 12:21pm

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    Island girl

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    Genetic manipoulation techiques

    Is it possible that CRISPER technology was used to insert the furin cleavage site on the S protein if the virus?

    Here's a description of the technology - notice low on the page the descritionof its use to insert new genetic sequences very precisely.

    CRISPR: A game-changing genetic engineering technique

     

     

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 12:45pm

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    New York State

    The data refers to the state overall not just the city.  It does not include nursing home patients per the article:“If you notice, 18% of the people came from nursing homes, less than 1% came from jail or prison, 2% came from the homeless population, 2% from other congregate facilities, but 66% of the people were at home, which is shocking to us,” Cuomo said.

    My thoughts off the cuff:  sources of infection could include food from the store, delivery people/family, and shoes.  Many of these cases are in lovely suburban Westchester County where we get lots of food delivered.

     

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 12:50pm

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    karenchantal

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    Cleaning/Virus Question

    So for cleaning, we are buying up alcohol hand sanitizers.....  And Lysol.

    Hand sanitizers are rubbing alcohol.

    Lysol is benzalkonium chloride.  (I ain't ashamed, I had to look that up.)

    But what about plain old soap?

    Does a mixture of soap and water in a spray bottle not work as well?

    I am just asking, because a bottle of dish soap is alot cheaper than Lysol.

    I guess bleach is best, but that is to strong.  I have been spoiled by using those Fabuloso cleaners, apple smells so good.  And I live in the country and have chickens.  To bleach the house would be a futile effort.  Plain soap is good enough for me.

    Okay, yall go back to talking dna/rna strands, lol.

     

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 12:53pm

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    getting peoples attention

    America is under attack. This is not by a political foe, but by Sars-cov-2, a highly contagious potentially deadly virus of dubious origin.  Sometimes you have to change your behavior for the benefit of the country. This is called patriotism. Patriotism is nondenominational in nonpartisan. I repeat, nondenominational and nonpartisan. Patriotism requires thinking ,not just watching, listening and repeating.  I beg of you, for the sake of our country, that you make your first priority every day to make sure you do not get sick. The government is going to open up the country once again to pretend it's business as usual. I won't be going out because I'm patriotic and I don't want to get sick.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 1:02pm

    James

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    James said:

    Pangiagreg,

    Thank you very much for the link. As a medical doctor (pathologist) fighting the cancer industry for 3 decades (specifically Big Pharma and Oncologists pushing 150K per year marginally effective cancer therapies benefiting them more than patients), I can certainly relate to Dr. Mikovits’ viewpoint. My efforts were more or less to no avail, but as Dr. Milkovits says in the video, the establishment may have pushed some too far this time. Doctors are speaking out about  the FDA/NIH/CDC making it difficult or impossible to prescribe HCQ/Azithromycin/Zinc for their patients and they are questioning the official narrative relative to how this virus gained its infectivity and lethality and how best to contain it. Simultaneously, individuals such as Shelley Luther of Texas are not allowing bureaucrats to destroy their lives and are standing up for their rights. Maybe this combined health and economic crisis will create a watershed moment in history. Spreading this video by Dr. Mikovits can potentially ignite such a transformation.

    James

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 1:11pm

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    You go ahead and stay indoors DBaringer....

    I will go about my life, using a mask as needed, since we know that hydroxychloroquine works;

    https://www.oann.com/doctors-report-hydroxychloroquine-has-over-90-chance-to-cure-coronavirus-patients/

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 1:35pm

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    stevedaly said:

    Hope you can access Hydroxychloroquine before you are deathly ill.  In blue state Colorado you can't access it until you are in the hospital and under their control.  Physicians are told they will have their license to practice revoked for prescribing OCQ for COVID-19 and pharmacies are supposed to report on them for violations:

    DENVER (March 26, 2020) - The Colorado State Board of Pharmacy, the Colorado Medical Board and the Colorado Nursing Board are concerned about the inappropriate prescribing of hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, azithromycin, Kaletra, and potentially other medications, often in large quantities with a high number of refills, to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic.

    The Boards are hearing of instances where abnormally high quantities of these drugs are being dispensed/prescribed in situations that don’t merit the drug, or quantities do not warrant the indication. These actions are causing a shortage of these drugs for people who need them for legitimate medical reasons.

    The drugs are commonly used to treat malaria, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis and other conditions. According to the Centers for Disease Control, there are no US Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved drugs specifically for the treatment of patients with COVID-19. 

    There is, at this date, only anecdotal evidence of their potential usefulness. Public health authorities are working to obtain better data on their potential – and most appropriate use in the pandemic.

    Here are recommendations, first distributed by The American Society of Health-System Pharmacists (ASHP) to its membership, which may serve as a general guide for healthcare professionals regarding the receipt and dispensing of prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine, which can be applied to other COVID-19 investigative medications.

    1. Continue to fill prescriptions for existing patients who are being prescribed these medications for FDA-approved indications on chronic therapy.
    2. For new prescriptions, prescribers should be cognizant that hydroxychloroquine use in COVID-19 patients is not the standard of care. Pharmacists should verify and document diagnosis with the prescriber or prescriber’s agent and limit to a 30-day supply of medication with the drug frequently on back order at this time for prescriptions with an FDA-approved indication.
    3. Due to limited supply, reserve hydroxychloroquine for patients with known autoimmune disorders and those ill enough to be hospitalized for COVID-19.

    Please note that the Colorado State Board of Pharmacy, the Colorado Medical Board and the Colorado Nursing Board have the authority to discipline their corresponding licensees who fail to meet their corresponding generally accepted standards of practice.

    https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/CODORA/bulletins/2833740

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 1:50pm

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    Excess mortality

    I just saw yesterday's and today's dr Martenson's videos and I'm starting to ask myself whether the time frame used for the excess mortality graphs can really give us a correct picture of what's going on given that it seems to cover just a few years.

    At the link below we can see that in the last 25 years there have been 5 other occasions in which deaths in England and Wales were as high as this year, or slightly lower.

    http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/pages/ARCHIVE_200506_home.html

    I also saw the animation about Spain's daily deaths, in which there clearly is something unusual and frightening, but I suspect (I don't have proofs) that maybe in Spain happened something similar to what happened here in Italy.

    In particular:

    - patients  recovering from covid-19 have been sent from  hospitals to elderly's nursing homes because of lack of beds in hospitals, causing the spread of the virus inside an old and frail population;

    - intubations were the only care given in the beginning, when thrombosis was still not known to happen, HCQ not used, heparins not used, causing a 70-80% death rate and the spike we see in the animation;

    - lastly it is speculated that due to in-home nurses/caregivers being infected and put into quarantine or returning to their home countries (most in-home nurses in Italy come from East Europe or South America) for fear of the lockdown, a lot of those elderly people living alone, some of whom not even fully self sufficient, died because of lack of care.

    In Bergamo, inside Lombardy, during March to beginning of April, we have had 5 times more deaths than the average of the last five years, which is a spike similar to the one we see for Spain.

    Best regards.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 1:54pm

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    Vitamin D / seasonal correlation?

    There has been some speculation that there is some seasonal variation in SARS-CoV-2 infections with different seasons of the year, although consensus seems to be that any variation is not great enough to be a significant variable in the epidemiological outcomes.  Could Vitamin D levels, which are influenced by sun exposure and would be expected to vary seasonally, be a causative factor in whatever seasonal variation is seen in infections or outcomes?

     

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 1:55pm

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    re PP mail not working

    sand_puppy - yes, I discovered the same problem this morning when I tried to read a PM. But it was my own avatar that was covering everything up. I had just uploaded my standard avatar picture without worrying about size, as I knew the system would downsize it as needed. Apparently it's not doing that any more. So I went in and reloaded a much smaller version of the avatar, so now it's only other people's that are creating the problem 🙂
    As the manager for several community websites, I've seen a lot of glitches develop lately, and it looks like it may be because there are fewer tech people on duty at the server. The server for my sites is pretty much down for the duration except for anything a robot can answer. So we have to adapt. If anyone else has an overlarge avatar, you might consider downsizing it.
    BTW, I was never able to see the comments on May 5th's video - server just kept grinding but wouldn't load them - anyone else?

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 2:26pm

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    Censorship

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 2:29pm

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    troll labeling

    I know this isn't practical, but I think it would be an interesting game to label incoming trolls as to what team they really belong to.  Take for instance Mr Super Patriot, above, telling us (with his very first message, ever) that we have to stay indoors at all costs, because he's just that patriotic?  Let's see.  Here are the options:

    1) CCP.  Goal: Inflict maximum damage to the US economy.

    2) Team Blue.  Goal: Inflict maximum damage to 'The TRUMP Economy.'  (Manufacturing a recession guarantees a Trump Defeat in 2020)

    Trump Economy Faces Long-Term Disaster as Job Data Looms

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-economy/index.html

    I'm going to pick box #1, because: Real Americans don't talk like this.  This feels like a foreigner pretending to be an American. I could be wrong, but that's just my gut feel.

    If only PP had a troll-grouping button.  CCP Troll.  Gates Troll.  Big Pharma Troll.  CIA Troll.  It would be so much faster - and even more entertaining!

    But, sadly, I suspect Adam would say no.

    As Jim said, when we get this much flak, we know that we're still over the target.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 2:36pm

    Linda T

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    Re: your avatar

    vshelford,

    Interesting, and thank you for uploading a smaller version of your avatar. For the last few days when I tried to read a PM, it was your avatar I would see... After reading your "re:PP mail not working", I thought I would check... Sure enough, I still see your avatar, but it's much smaller so I can click on messages now and read them without a workaround.

    I was able to see the comments, but it did take a few minutes of buffering...

    Linda

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 2:57pm

    Linda T

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    Re: troll labeling

    Dave,

    That is so hysterical! My stomach hurts from laughing it's making it hard to type. Too bad there isn't a button next to the thumbs up to signal "possible troll". We certainly are having quite a few lately!!! When I read one of their "postings", I think to myself "WT??" and they usually have a certain vibe to them as well, and I look at the date they joined.

    And we could add AMA troll, Neocon troll, Oil troll, oh!!! what about a Sheeple troll?

    "Alert alert Will Robinson!" "Error error" said Vger to Captain Kirk in one of the original episodes. "You will be assimilated, resistance is futile." The Borg sure do want to assimilate us, no thanks!!!!

    Sorry, weird mood.

    Linda

     

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 4:09pm

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    DSL question on Vitamin D/Seasonal factors

    DSL,  I posted this elsewhere on PP.com today.  Here is a recent paper whereby the authors conclude that Vit D levels are a real factor in Covid-19 outcomes.  Now that the website is working better I can post the data grab that I wanted to post earlier from the paper - it's a fascinating look at disease rates vs. population density, by latitude;

      https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20087965v1

    Evidence Supports a Causal Model for Vitamin D in COVID-19 Outcomes

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 5:22pm

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    Don't know where to post this question...

    but I'd really appreciate any input, especially from any medical background - have we any idea whether this virus is or likely to be transmissible in a swimming pool or hot tub?  The water is chlorinated of course, but as people use it, the chlorine levels go down and have to be raised again.  Any guesses?

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 5:23pm

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    Chris' newest HB video, "10 Best Kitten Videos of 2020 (Plus 5 Mascara Tips You Won't Believe!)"

    "Coronavirus: The Government Is Failing Us" (5/7/20)

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 5:28pm

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    Steven Kelso

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    Traffic Jam? Backing up videos...

    A couple weird things in the last few days:
    -Mutation! blog comments would not load. I tried all day.

    -Completely unable to view the site on mobile phone.

    How to download YT playlists and/or whole channels.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A-HLSvtBWc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfUUZvybPY

    https://youtube-dl.org/

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 5:49pm

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    What about evidence it occurred naturally?

    Chris, I really appreciate all that you're doing, and I hate to play devil's advocate, but your arguments about the possible origins of the virus would be a lot more convincing if you could also attempt to debunk clues that others are putting forward such as this:

    "Two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2."

    https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-scientists-think-of-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-lab-rumour

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

     

    And there are other theories about what happened. For example, there could be another (possibly natural) virus than RaTG13 that is at the origin of COVID-19, something called BtCoV/4991 that was apparently partially sequenced back in 2016:

    In an article that appeared on February 6, 2020, scientists at the State Key Laboratory of Virology, Modern Virology Research Center, College of Life Sciences, Wuhan University wrote that the partial RdRp gene sequence of bat coronavirus strain BtCoV/4991 (GenBank KP876546) had a 98.7% nucleotide identity with COVID-19.

    https://www.wionews.com/opinions-blogs/is-bat-coronavirus-4991-a-smoking-gun-in-chinas-covid-19-cover-up-294760

     

    In my opinion, we won't know for sure until Chinese authorities come forward, but I would really hate it if your message were to get lost because of loose ends like this.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 5:51pm

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    TamHob

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    Hcq shortage?

    Is the shortage mainly because India banned export? I ask because 6 months ago travel doctors were giving them out like jelly beans to people travelling to Africa and Asia, at least the parts where resistance hasn't formed. Without all that travel, a large flow/stock should have been freed up for coronavirus treatment without impinging on lupus and arthritis patients. Yet it was almost instantly out of stock. What happened?

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 7:07pm

    kunga

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    Swimming pools

    Officials have mentioned "fecal shedding " in swimming pools.  Keep head out of water, shower post swim.  However, kids, swimmers always splash and sprays create aerosols.  Also, temperature needs to be above 170F to kill SARS cov-2.   Need a helmet contraption with breathing filters.  Big pain for those of us who like to swim.  Maybe market for home pools.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 8:01pm

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    Adamah

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    Nucleotide changes not usually synonymous

    The discussion starting at 29:55 suggested that changing an RNA base is frequently inconsequential. The pattern is more interesting than that. There is only one way to get methionine or tryptophan, so for those two amino acids, any change in the codon changes the aa. For everything else in the table, C and U in the third position are silently interchangeable. In almost all cases A and G in the third position also are silently interchangeable. However, usually third position C/U are not silently interchangeable with A/G. Second position substitutions always change the aa. First position substitutions usually change the aa. The only exceptions to the usual patterns involve leucine (leu) and arginine (arg), which both have 6 ways to code, involving 2 options in the first position, 1 option in the second position, and either 2 or 4 options in the third position, depending on what the first position was.

    Taking the proline example, the codon is CCX, so yes, there are 4 ways to fill the third position to get proline, but of the 16 ways you could fill positions 1 and 2, only one, CC, gives you proline. Changing two of the three bases changes the aa, and a lot of those aa changes alter the character of the aa (positive to negative side chain, hydrophobic to hydrophilic side chain, etc), potentially rendering the protein non-functional. The non-silent mutations occur more frequently but are seen less frequently because most are not viable. Only silent mutations are nearly guaranteed to be viable (although even those might change the RNA folding or something).

    What’s really bizarre is that ZC45 and ZXC21 are 100% homologous in this supposedly marginally important E protein described at 34:00, even though these strains display steadily accumulating non-synonymous discrepancies all along their genomes. How is it that any of the top four E protein sequences (Feb 11, ZC45, ZXC21, & RaTG13) match any of the others, much less all of the others? Very odd. If it were a medical record, you’d think of lazy copy and paste behavior as the cause. Was there a good reason to trust the E protein sequence for ZC45 and ZXC21? If E protein is so highly conserved between these two, and also in Feb 11, why is it subsequently so much less important to conserve the sequence?

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 8:08pm

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    I'm loving the analogy, Jim

    It's very appropriate. Chris and Adam are hitting the marks.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 8:18pm

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    eyeland

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    Someone in Colorado had COVID last August

    I do not know these people but read this here:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110345-Did-anyone-seem-to-catch-Covid-19-in-October--December-last-year&p=1352319&viewfull=1#post1352319

    "My daughter has a Great Dane puppy and her breeder who is in Aspen, Colorado was very ill in August, hospitalized with fever, GI symptoms , cough and not breathing well so after three days of staying at home isolating himself from his mother and partner, he was hospitalized for not being able to breathe well and being very ill. This was mid August, infectious disease came in, isolated him and started testing him , everything from HIV, hantavirus, bubonic plague, tulerimia, flu strains etc (not SARS or MERs though) and couldn't figure it out. He was put on a C PAP and was discharged four days later when his breathing was normalized.

    He recovered, months went by until very recently, the MD's who saved his life at the hospital starting putting 2+2 together, and said why don't use get an antibody test, so he did, his test was done via LabCorp. He has not been ill since. His test came back positive with a high antibody count!

    Now , again his illness was MID AUGUST!!! And, while he only travels domestically via car to deliver Dane's , the only one country he picks up Dane's from for his Dane rescue is Italy!!!! And he does this on a pretty regular basis, picking them up at the airport coming in from Italy.

    I feel this is VERY important information, I know he went into a database but I have no further detail on what they plan to do with this information, his MD's are satisfied they finally got to the bottom of what they called a "baffling illness".

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 8:49pm

    Linda T

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    Re: someone with COVID last August

    Eyeland,

    Last night I finsihed watching, and with a lot of pausing and rewinding, typed a rough transcript of an interview of Dr. Dr Mikovits on YouTube. I posted it in 2 different parts. The last paragraph from the Part 2 addresses your question:

    “She said in 1999 she was working in Fort Dietrick. Her job was “to teach Ebola how to infect human cells without killing them. Ebola couldn’t infect human cells until we took it in the laboratories.”

    Nurses and doctors making webcam videos talking about the “CDC’s guidance for certifying COVID-deaths”. Why would they get pressured to do that, to shew the numbers?” Fear is a great way to control people and sometimes people’s ability to think for themselves is paralyzed if frightened enough and that’s not where I want people to be, I want people to say we’re gonna get through this,  I’m gonna listen to different sources, gonna think for myself.

    $13,000 from Medicare if you call it COVID-19 right now. If a patient goes on a ventilator, they get $39,000, and you’ve killed them with the ventilator because you gave them the wrong treatment.

    Italy has a very old population, they’re very sick with inflammatory disorders they got at the beginning of 2019 an untested new form of influenza vaccine that had four different strains of influenza including the highly pathogenic H1N1 that vaccine was grown in a cell line a dog cell line dogs have lots of coronaviruses and that’s why they’re not testing there you could just say oh it was that."

    Linda

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFYFJ8fv3BQ

     

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 9:29pm

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    Watch the "Plandemic" trailor from within this newscast

    • https://www.trunews.com/stream/coronavirus-censorship-trunews-presents-banned-plandemic-video

    Edward Szall of TruNews does a second interview with Dr. Judy Mikovitz and she reveals some interesting things to consider regarding SARS-COV2 and COVID19.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 9:58pm

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    pawch

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    More on Vit D and the COVID

    "Vitamin D Supplementation Could Possibly Improve Clinical Outcomes of Patients Infected with Coronavirus-2019 (COVID-19)"

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3571484
    Vitamin D and COVID 19
    Vitamin D and Race/Ethnicity

    And consider ARBs (losartan) and ACEIs in addition to HCQ

    Look at Table 2 on p. 29
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3571484

    and

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.31.20038935v1

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 10:50pm

    SteveW

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    Genetic manipulation

    CRISPR is a far more complex technique than necessary and generally leaves a mark. Inserts can be easily put into a known sequenced virus using the technique of directed mutagenesis that was developed by Mike Smith who received the Nobel Prize in 1993. The gain of function coronavirus made at UNC in 2015 was totally synthetic, put together from 6 pieces of DNA. Such DNA pieces can even be ordered from biological supply houses.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 11:13pm

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    SteveW

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    Patient zero

    The Wuhan military games ran from October 18-27. The problem I have with considering that to be the source is that after 4-6 weeks i.e. early December the disease should be exploding with pneumonia cases worldwide. The French patient is a singular instance and does not fit into the Wuhan origin time frame. The viral sequence from that specimen urgently needs to be sequenced.

    The only way I can acceptably fit the games origin (and the French patient) into the pandemic is that it was a primary infection and rarely caused pneumonia. I have found all kinds of anecdotal evidence from world contacts of having severe flu in December/January prior to covid spread. In this hypothesis covid-19 would be a second infection of the virus or it's relative. This is highly speculative.

    Now if you're a conspiracy theorist check this video from 36:40 to 37:50, note the dramatic ending and the premiere date of the video.

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 1:39am

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    albacore

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    Do inserts occur naturally?

    Just got around to watching the video from a few days ago on the furin insert. It left me with some questions:

    1. Do inserts happen in nature? If so, how? And how often?

    2. On the circular chart of coronaviruses, what happened at the nearest bit of pink, that seemed to create a high furin score out of the blue? Was that another insert? Don’t know if that info is available, would be interesting to see.

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 4:02am

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    Sharon Coe said:

    I can only tell you what I know, I am a pharmacist in South Carolina and my pharmacy has thousands of doses. The board of pharmacy in sc made the pharmacists count the hydroxychroquine and lock it up in the c2 cabinet.they then threatened that we could not dispense this medication unless the dr indicated on the prescription whether the patient had an autoimmune disease or a positive Covid diagnosis. This would have led to a 7 to 10 day delay here in sc since our tests usually take that long. I have not dispensed one prescription for Covid.  I still have thousands of doses. I cannot understand why even the boards of pharmacy are trying to regulate hydroxychloroquine. It seems very suspicious.do they want this crisis be worse than it already is? By the way my pharmacy services long term care homes including assisted living facilities and special needs homes.

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 4:46am

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    RPSTemple

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    Video link - Help wanted.

    I am trying to find the video in which CM explained  the difference between effective doses, toxic doses  and lethal doses and how, as drugs are tested, where the various levels of drug dose given would fit into the three categories. I think it was also in the  same video, that he explained what the QT/QTc interval is and its possible significance  as an indicator of heart issues.

    I am not sure when it came out. I have been searching back through the videos, but I cannot find it.  Can help me by giving me the link?

    Thanks Richard

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 5:04am

    DaveDD

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    Here is to the crazy ones

    "Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.

    — Steve Jobs, 1997"

    Chris, Adam, and all non-trolls fellow PP forum contributors: take this as a compliment. 

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 7:13am

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    Pharmacy Boards Seem Fairly United in Opposition to Use of HCQ for COVID

    Appreciate the experience of Sharon Coe, a pharmacist in South Carolina (post #47 above) about the way that there is 1) an abundance of HCQ, and 2) that the drug is locked up in the controlled substance safe.

    This is my expereince now also.  We see coordinated actions to PREVENT outpatient use of HCQ (in early illness) that is consistent and very intense and has now fairly generalized to most states (not just the "blue" ones).

    In Virginia, the pharmacist will not let me prescribe HCQ for myself (though I could prescribe any other non-controlled drug for myself), I must have a paper prescription pad and write on it "Diagnosis:  COVID-19" and attach a copy of a positive PCR test for COVID as a part of the "prescription documentation." (State labs take 3-4 days to return this result.)

    In many states, the pharmacist is required to "exercise professional judgment as to the accuracy of the diagnosis," to refuse to fill "inappropriate prescriptions," and to report "inappropriate prescribing practices" to the state medical boards for consideration of disciplinary action (removing the doctors license to practice medicine).  Even a successful defense of a board investigation will cost the doctor some $10,000 and many months of sleepless nights.

    https://naspa.us/resource/hydroxychloroquine-chloroquine-and-azithromycin/ 

    Look up your state's laws in the National Alliance of State Pharmacy Associations compilation.

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 7:29am

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    new trolling technique; troll-tag implementation proposal

    So here's a new technique.  "My best friend Suzie got COVID 12 years ago."  [implication: pretty clearly, it probably wasn't China's fault since it was way before Bat Lady got her grant.  And it had nothing to do with GOF research either!]

    Notice these stories all have one thing in common.  They do not address the issue of GOF research, the money sent off to Bat Lady, the coverup at the Wuhan Institute, the uniform coverup by the GOF researchers, and the pandemic we are experiencing today, with all the nutty symptoms that absolutely unlike any corona virus we've seen.  Clotting?  Sheesh.

    The facts on the ground remain unchallenged.  I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how those inserts happen in nature.

    And by tell, I don't mean a story.  Or you asking me to "prove" anything.  If you don't show up with a paper, I'm not interested.  Save your stories about Suzie for someone who cares.

    Likewise, telling Chris he needs a nap, you've followed him for  a long time but you're oh-so-disappointed in his recent fall from grace, or providing some really fancy argumentation - that deserves an instant troll marker.  Issue: there are currently so many, its hard to remember who said what.

    Adam.  I'm thinking we really do need to tag these trolls.  Let's see, how to do this right?

    I have it!  Troll-tag-votes can only be applied by members!  And only seen by members!

    And if the troll-candidate proves themselves to be un-troll-like over time, you can remove your troll-tag-vote.

    Do we imagine a troll will sign up to be a member?  Well if they are that enthusiastic about supporting the site, maybe we give them the benefit of the doubt.

    [We could flip things around to be more "positive" -- apply a "likely genuine" tags applied by members, seen only by members, for the people you know are reasonable.  That's probably too much work.]

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 7:47am

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    Angi

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    Masks in America (ZH article)

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/masks-america

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 8:38am

    SteveW

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    Inserts

    Inserts do occur naturally. Recombination between two distinct yet related RNA viruses can occur when there is double infection. The mechanism is not as well understood as DNA recombination. So one virus can, in essence, transfer it's insert. The limiting factor is probably the chance of double infection. Starting from a coinfection there will be many changes in the trillions of progeny.

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 8:50am

    Cribbage

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    Cribbage said:

    I've seen them too - a member for 3 weeks is giving Chris advice on how not to mess up and I thought ROFLMAO -from now on I think I'll  just reply with that.

     

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 8:51am

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    Angi

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    Expert Panel Discussion On Vaccines

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 9:16am

    #56

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    Dave

    Dancing feathers and fur may fool a trout. But riddles, rhetoric and clever tirades are not so well received here.  I vote for the label of  “court jester”.  Someone who is silly and receives little attention other than as an amusement.  Fairy dust and glittery unicorn shit can’t hide the true essence of a subject.  Bullshit is bullshit whether its disguised or not.  Just sayin.

    AKGranny

     

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 10:48am

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    troll tagging

    Granny-

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by feathers and trout and unicorn excrement.

    My core ask: I want a way to tag people I think are trolls, so I can see-and-then-ignore what they say going forward.  A secondary request: sharing these tags might be useful.

    But regardless of sharing, I really just want to be able tag lame posters so I use my "filter brainpower" just once.  Especially when we get deluged the way we are now.

    It would also give me a feeling of agency.  This would probably reduce the amount of troll-feeding I do, since I'd feel as though I "took action" at least of a sort.

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 11:28am

    #58

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    Troll Tagging

    Dave - fur and feathers are used to make fly hooks.  They attract trout when fly fishing.  Get em on a hook and reel them in, just like humans.

    I have no idea what a feeling of agency feels like or is?  You are clever and want to debate the trolls.  I sometimes have a hard time figuring out what relevant point they are trying to make.  Verbose commentary, in my opinion is pretty useless.  Just me, get to the dam point.

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 11:45am

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    Sparky1

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    Playing judge and jury of "trolls"

    I have a great deal of respect for the many very knowledgeable, gifted and passionate PP members who post here regularly. However, I'm not at all in favor of creating some snarky labeling protocol for presumed "trolls".

    IMO, too much time, energy and precious PP site real estate is being expended on "outing" or jousting with suspected "trolls". It begins to look more like sport than productive purpose.

    This has the potential to discourage people--especially new PP members--from venturing forth to provide an opinion, experience or insight without being impaled upon the pointy dry wit, intellectual prowess or research finesse of those with ample time and motivation to engage in such lengthy debate. I can tell you this is, in fact, happening as some PP members have sent me PMs regarding their experiences in this regard.

    Personally, I literally do not have the time or motivation to read through the lengthy diatribes, perform extensive research and craft acceptably hard-hitting responses to narrowly-focused comments. I know: As suggested by/to others, if I don't agree or am not "up" to the task or fight, then I can just leave. How many other members are posting less or not at all, mentally checking-out, and/or re-evaluating their ongoing PP participation and membership?

    We have PP moderators in Adam and Chris. If either of them take offense regarding comments made regarding the validity of Chris' well-researched videos, PP articles or other content, then they are certainly capable of responding. If after one posts or responds to a comment with which they disagree, they should state their argument, counterargument or perspective and move on. If anyone feels that a PP member is running afoul of the PP rules and guidelines, then say so, cite the specific guideline, and, if necessary, send Adam or Chris an alert re: the PP member and their offending comment(s).

    Truly, the best, most effective way of dealing with and neutralizing a presumed troll is to IGNORE them.

    Sorry if I seem a bit short tempered regarding this. But I've watched with dismay over the past several weeks the decline in civility, quality and tolerance of different views among a vocal but dominant few commenters within the PP online community. I would hate to see this vibrant site and community devolve into a cultish hive of groupthink hunters of suspected trolls and other "malicious" characters hiding behind every post.

    My garden, critters, family and life are calling now.

    'Later....  :-/

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 12:12pm

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    Sparky1

    IMO, too much time, energy and precious PP site real estate is being expended on "outing" or jousting with suspected "trolls". It begins to look more like sport than productive purpose.

    Sparky1 in my experience here threads and topics have phases.  For a while the only topic seemed to be how to disinfect masks ad-nauseam.  Then the topic was on to another bent.  I think people are expressing frustration and thats being discouraged.  Their frustration will pass.  But you are right, though I would not suggest ignoring but rather a better word might be discernment.  Carefully choosing what we respond to.

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 12:32pm

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    Sparky

    Truly, the best, most effective way of dealing with and neutralizing a presumed troll is to IGNORE them.

    You are, of course, correct. I've been guilty of sparring with trolls here lately, but if that denigrates the forums or acts as a hindrance to new members feeling welcome, I will most assuredly cease and desist.

    Sometimes it is fun, though, and oh so easy. That being said, wrestling with pigs only makes pigs happy and gets one covered in the pig's shit, so...

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 12:47pm

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    judge & jury

    After listening to your thoughts, I realize that I don't want to be judge, jury, or executioner.

    I just want a way to tag these people for myself, so I can remember who they are.  It will help me ignore them.  Some people, such as you level-headed calm and discerning people, clearly don't need this feature.  Others - like me (and perhaps others) - could find it very useful.

    And - maybe us hot-headed people can share the tags between us.  To help us all calm down.

    Does that make sense?

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 4:10pm

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    I am wondering what the ramifications are about the US military declaration on Covid 19

    Maybe Dr Martenson can shed some light on the possible reasons why the US military has banned or disqualified all covid 19 victims from enlistment even if "recovered" ?  is because you never really recover?  or is perhaps because you are functionally disabled or medically incompetent forever.  I think this in itself should show how much we are not being told about this disease.. This is really really significant, considering most people will eventually get this,  Just hoping we know more before most get it.   But as ex military with high clearance, I can tell you , these statements do not come without foundation and they know something significant that is being withheld.

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  • Fri, May 08, 2020 - 6:10pm

    Angi

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    Nordicjack - re: ramifications

    Sadly, I think your suspicions are very well founded. Earlier today I posted an expert panel discussion on vaccines. I cannot remember which panelist made the comment about a group of people who had already been recruited (I think in Seattle) for vaccine testing happening now. Apparently they were cautioned that they should not have unprotected sex. I don't know what the specified length of time was but it sent up a major red flag for me that someone would volunteer for such a study (scary future implications!?) and I wondered if there was any kind of financial incentive. Normally there is not, but these days, it seems anything is possible. They most likely had to sign non-disclosures as well but I will try and do a bit more research on the topic and see what I can find.

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  • Tue, May 12, 2020 - 4:46pm

    wildtravel

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    Declaring Snydeman Out

    You need to know, Snydeman, my original post which began this disgraceful episode is below. Here, in my own words is incontrovertible evidence that I called a man’s opinion (n.b. not the man himself) bullshit:

    “Despair not! There is a BS detector. Look for a claim’s philosophy of causation (aetiology). As I suggested previously, find a logical fallacy and you find Kant.

    By way of example, I see Jim H # 177 (reply to #171) is pleased that you see “The ....machine that you are awakening to Janie.” And what does Jim believe you see? Why it is that “corrupt, global elite”.

    Now, my BS detector redlined here. The most common of all falsehoods, the old Post Hoc Propter Hoc logical fallacy (e.g. The rooster crowed, then the sun rose, therefore the rooster caused the sun to rise)”

    I have no apologies to make to anybody for going hard on the issue (I.e bullshit), and easy on the man (Jim H) There is nothing ad hominem here.

    So I play the ball and “throw pearls before swine” who don’t have the faintest idea what evidence or truth is, and who quite rightly consider their perceived liberty to not let the truth get in the way of their personal narrative , descend en masse, and you, Mr Snydeman, play the man.

    Yeah, I’m talking to you Mr. Snydeman:

    We're drawing fancy-talking trolls now!#246 (reply to #246)

    “I'll fall on my sword and say you are a completely incomprehensible idiot. #265 (reply to #262)

    We’re all fair game on an unmoderated public site for snide comments in reply to our posts, and since I use such a literary device myself, I can hardly complain if it is employed to ridicule my own opinions. That is all very well if we mock another’s opinions only, but you made a seriously bad mistake Mr Snydeman by impugning my character. For this you will bear consequences.

    You see, Mr Snydeman, whether you knew it or not, you did give me fair warning in your alias that you are quite a piece of work. What was amusing for me in the meaning of that alias is that in trumpeting to this community that according to the Oxford Dictionary you identify as “(of a person) devious and underhand”. What I found so funny was that in this Freudian slip, you had completely subconsciously told me the truth.

    I did take you very seriously, and you began to deliver from your first post about me. My three strikes and you are out policy is not interested in what your motivation was, only that you caused me harm in back-dooring me and preventing your readers knowing whom you were posting about, or providing them the ability to read the full text of my case and the backstory behind the issue. As I said in response:

    “Now as a noun, Snydeman, the Oxford defines a “snide” man as “devious and underhand”. I have no reason to believe you are such a man, Snydeman, even though your post clearly proves you behave that way. I give everybody three strikes before I declare them out, Snydeman, and this stunt is only strike one for you.” #244 (reply to #243)

    What you did not know Snydeman is that I had given you enough rope to swing free, or hang yourself. You indicated to me you chose the latter when I discovered on closer reading you did not mention my alias. Absent both a voice and a name now, you caused me harm again and earned Strike 2 for that. When a comprehensive reading of your post indicated you were selling that I had projected my own character flaws on others, you earned Strike 3, and cleared any doubt in my mind about your character. I agree with you that you are a devious and underhand man, but have no evidence you caused me these harms intentionally, Mr Snydeman.

    Malice of forethought is devilishly hard to prove without an unequivocal admission of intent.  I therefore submit to the PP community that the excerpts below are as good as it gets to hoist you on your own petard:

    “..... I don’t know why I take on the task of taking trolls to task .... I used snark to combat snark, so I admit I was being a bit hypocritical on some level .... “
    Thu, May 07, 2020 7:53 pm. Snydeman #258 (reply to Wildtravel #244) but referencing Quercus bicolor #246 “More civility please”

    “You are, of course, correct. I've been guilty of sparring with trolls here lately, but if that denigrates the forums or acts as a hindrance to new members feeling welcome, I will most assuredly cease and desist.” #61 (reply to #59)
    Friday May 8, 2020 12:32pm

    Oh you’ll stop alright, boyo, but your “outing” doesn’t end yet. I feel very unwelcome here.

    Let’s hear now from the man himself where his conscience resides over what he has done:

    “Sometimes it is fun, though, and oh so easy. That being said, wrestling with pigs only makes pigs happy and gets one covered in the pig's shit, so...”. #61 (reply to #59)
    Friday May 8, 2020 12:32pm

    O.K, there you have it. Mr Snydeman sure did pick the wrong guy, didn’t he? I will explain why in the following post explaining who I am, and why I talk funny.

    This is your community, people, so I would welcome public responses only on these issues, please. However, I would also welcome Private Messages from legal practitioners in the United States, who might advise me if there are civil remedies I might seek against Mr Snydeman In consequence of the alleged harms he has caused me.

    I am also interested in discovering any, if any, Private Messages between Mr Snydeman and any other person, in relation to these issues. I want everybody to know if there is any conspiracy behind these events. If anyone wishes to unburden themselves publicly please do. If not, please be assured that if I am compelled to obtain discovery by legal avenues, I will.
    No dob ins please. Do it publicly, or not at all.

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  • Tue, May 12, 2020 - 5:21pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    You are the winner

    Now just stop or go away. You are wasting bandwidth and offering nothing of value here.

    BTW This is not an unmoderated site. It is a very well moderated site and depends on the integrity of members tokeep it that way. I suggest if you wish to continue do not push the edges of the envelop. This is not in ant way a threat, just some friendly advice. You may have noticed a certain prolific poster is MIA. That is not an accident.

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  • Tue, May 12, 2020 - 5:26pm

    wildtravel

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    Who is John Gault?

    I am well aware that many PP members are troubled by the heat of the commentary recently, and counsel to just ignore it. Those members would do well to remember that democracy is a mediocrity. As John Curran said in 1790:

    “It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance."

    And, as Count Macchiavelli says in “The Prince”:

    “Sometimes doing nothing comes at a very high price indeed”.

    The enemy is within.

    I urge those members who value being part of an evidence based community to bear in mind that without people such as myself, who are prepared to do their dirty work for them, we’d all be speaking Japanese at the moment.

    Just as Chris found it important to assert his professional qualifications against personal attacks, I also wish to assert my expertise in the face of the personal attacks on me, made by Mr Snydeman.

    I am a former national consultant for about half of Australia’s Local Governments in the privatisation and deregulation of the National Energy Market. My role was to achieve fair and reasonable prices for my clients in relation to about $100M of annual operational expenditure on energy services.

    Over some 5 years I saw absolutely no evidence whatsoever of some shadowy, sinister “Deep State”, only the far less glamorous reality of extraordinary people just doing their jobs in service of a huge environmental, economic and social public good in Australia.

    That being said, with such serious money on the table, it didn’t matter if something was unethical, providing it was legal. Swimming with sharks is not for the faint hearted.

    In this awareness, I called a spade a spade in response to someone posting drivel on Peak Prosperity. I provided incontrovertible evidence that the conclusion made in the post was what is known as a logical fallacy. In other words, the conclusion was just plain wrong, or bullshit as I called it. I regret using the brown word, and will substitute a word such as hooey, codswallop or bunkum in future.

    As members will be aware, my telling the truth proved unpopular amongst members who don’t like the facts getting in the way of a good yarn. There was a vigorous exchange with several people who misunderstand that saying something’s so doesn’t make it so. Some also struggled with understanding a new form of evidence they had not come across before. This post introduces yet another form of evidence, eye witness testimony.

    In these misunderstandings I gather I was declared a troll, which I gather means someone who is not you. A certain member took it upon themselves to show me a firm hand, with no success.

    My BS Detector is a tool which discriminates between arguments by faith and arguments by evidence. Since there is by definition no possible evidence for articles of faith, and no shortage of venom and vitriol from people who argue a priori, when their conclusions are proven to be simply not true.

    That tool proves Peak Prosperity is anything but an evidence based forum, but one in which a clique of very well organised self appointed vigilantes determine who will be admitted and whom will be quite ruthlessly attacked personally and expelled for proving people’s beliefs are entirely absent evidence.

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  • Tue, May 12, 2020 - 6:37pm

    wildtravel

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    Your BS Detector Results

    Major Premise: “if you wish to continue do not push the edges of the envelop,”

    Minor Premise: “not in ant way a threat,”

    Conclusion: “friendly advice.

    Your BS Detector Result:

    False Dilemma logical fallacy

    I would take your threat seriously Mohammed_Mast, were it not for the absence of any causal relationship between your major premise and your conclusion. Accordingly, since you assure me you are not in any way threatening me, I would not need to take your conclusion that you are giving me “friendly advice” seriously, now would I?

    Since your conclusion is false, I will therefore draw the conclusion you are giving me unfriendly advice. That’s cool, because, as one of my mentors said, “We’re doing business here, not trying to go to bed together”.

    Thank you for sharing.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 3:22am

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    Peakandi

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    Maybe interesting?

    Dear Chris

    Maybe interesting to discuss?

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.02.974139v3.full.pdf

    Thanks for your work!

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 5:13am

    Kathy

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    Kathy said:

    Thanks for clarifying this!  When I read about it your description was what I thought but don’t have enough direct experience myself.

     

    “My body, my choice” is developing a whole new meaning.

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