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    Mainstream Media’s Coverage of Covid-19 Is Still Badly Failing Us

    When it comes to being well-informed, we remain on our own
    by Adam Taggart

    Friday, August 14, 2020, 10:12 AM

Over half a year into the pandemic and yet the US mainstream media continues to badly fail us when it comes to keeping the public well-informed about the coronavirus and what we can do to protect our health.

First, it remains either silent or complicit in failing to hold our national “leaders” to account.

Early on, it failed in challenging authorities who dismissed and downplayed the covid-19 threat, like CDC Director Robert Redfield who — before reversing and calling for national lockdowns — flatly discouraged Americans from purchasing sanitizers, wearing masks, or stocking up on needed prescriptions.

Yet now, instead of asking tough questions of those like Redfield or WHO Director Tedros Adhanom (who refused for months to declare covid-19 a pandemic), the media continues to simply parrot their statements, many of which continue to fly in the face of the data.

And why is no one in the media asking why there’s been zero guidance given to boosting our immune systems? Good nutrition, sunlight (Vitamin D), more sleep, physical activity, stress management — these are extremely cheap ways to reduce our bodies’ vulnerability to the virus — and yet, not a peep from officials or a probing question from the media.

Sadly, when it comes to staying well-informed, whether on covid-19 or across an increasing number of topics important to our lives, we remain on our own…

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  • Fri, Aug 14, 2020 - 10:24am

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    VeganDB12

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    Thank you!

    This was a great video and, for me,  really struck a perfect balance between explaining the good news (XYZ theory) without dismissing the risks and consequences of the virus.  Your compassion for the long haulers is evident and appreciated.  It is a tough discussion these days.

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  • Fri, Aug 14, 2020 - 10:46am

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    Still Listening! Thanks.

    Hi Chris, Adam and PPers,

    This summer has been furiously busy.  I'm never caught up.  The hours at work close to doubled because of Covid 19, and my garden is bigger than ever.  So reading comments here is out, sadly.  But I listen to everything you two put out in audio form, and appreciate your characteristic clarity of communication, which comes with those months of information scouting.  I trust what you present greatly, and have personally benefited from the warnings you put forward.  Your sarcastic humor is also welcome.  It boils down to this:  I love your beautiful minds.

    Sorry to be missing the rest of you in the threads, but if it's any consolation, I'm either making money or growing food, or sometimes making money growing food.  Since some in my tribe need money and everybody needs to learn how to grow food, it's all good - especially after a long swim in our cold, incredibly clean and gorgeous lake.  Find sanity where you can, I guess.

    Thanks PP -

    Susan

     

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  • Fri, Aug 14, 2020 - 1:39pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Century of Self

    First I would like to say the title is completely wrong. It presupposes that "media" has an obligation to provide something for us which they have clearly never done. One can go back to the Yellow Journalism of Hearst which built San Simeon for him. The media is a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate Amerika. As such it has only one obligation and that is to put out the propaganda which the people who own you want you to hear.

    I have the same reaction when I hear complaints about the Fed. The Fed owes nothing to the people of Amerika. It is accountable only to its shareholders. No one here is a shareholder. The shareholders are the largest and oldest banks in the world.

    Corporate media has only one constituency. Punchline; you aint it. You are the rube. None of this is new. Edward Bernays was perfecting this 100 years ago. This is a long video but well worth the education.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

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  • Fri, Aug 14, 2020 - 3:14pm

    DaveDD

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    Schrödingers cat

    Hi MM,

    Sharp as ever. Due to your post I now know how Schrödingers cat must have felt in that box being both dead and alive. Your post made me laugh and cry; I fully agree and somewhat disagree. I wonder what state I would be in when opening my own “lid” to look inside my box...

    Now I’m forced to do some soul searching. The fact that Chris was able to that old saying proofs you are right about MSM. But there is some part in me that cannot fully accept this (yet): surely there must be journalists, and maybe some small news outlets who try to be objective? But than again, maybe Albert Camus was right, every revolution ends in dictatorship, every good start is perverted by power and money 🤔. More pressing: how can I avoid this perversion in my own life?

    Thanks, Dave

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  • Fri, Aug 14, 2020 - 4:20pm

    Hladini

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    District court rules the news does not have to be true, cert. denied

    MM, you are right.  Legally the media has no duty to tell the truth; it's been codified by judicial  fiat:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre

    Another little jolt I got falling down the rabbit hole.

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  • Fri, Aug 14, 2020 - 7:36pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Hi Dave

    Well as they say it is what it is.

    But the media chooses what to focus on. Thus as long it does not focus on something it exists but doesn't exist. It is obvious for people to focus on what the media reports. But what about what the media does not report?

    As an example take Kamala Harris. She is now the darling of the media. You would think she is already the next president. There is already talk about Biden either being a 1 term prez or not making it through his first term. Biden has been the invisible man.

    But what is not being reported?

    Here is just one item.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4814811/user-clip-ted-cruz-questions-robert-epstein-big-tech-election-interference

    It turns out that SV can move a "minimum" of 2.6 million votes and as much as 10 million. Forget the Russians, Chinese, Israelis the big players are the tech moguls. It also turns out that Kamala harris is the darling of SV and has been for years. And where are we seeing this info? CSpan. Not CNN, MSNBC,  CBS,  NYT,  and not even on NPR. That is how the narrative is controlled. You are fed what they want to feed you.

    Why is Chris Martenson's coverage of SC2 so vastly different than the MSM?

    When you open the lid ask the cat.

     

     

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  • Fri, Aug 14, 2020 - 7:54pm

    ao

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    question

    Forgive my naivete Mohammed but what is SV?

    By the way, you've been cranking out some great posts.  Keep 'em coming.

    My favorite was something to the effect that the problems of the world don't have a political solution.  Priceless!

     

     

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  • Fri, Aug 14, 2020 - 8:50pm

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    Island girl

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    Establishment reviews of supplements and Covid

    As Dr. Martenson ended the video with reference to nutritional supplements, thought I'd post this review article regarding Zn, Vit C, Vit D, Elderberry and Silver as supplements in the context of Covid. Authors affiliated with University of Connecticut School of Pharmacy. Not surprisingly, no ringing endorsements.

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1060028020928052?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub++0pubmed&

    One might note that in several states, pharmacy boards have refused to fill prescriptions for HCQ, overriding physicians. There seems to be a trend to object to various measures on the basis of an absence of evidence (of a preferred kind) while blocking evidence from being pursued.

    Absence  of evidence is not evidence of absence, as noted in another scientific article.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7647644/

     

     

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 11:53am

    Hladini

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    To ao

    MM is correct; the problems of the world require a spiritual solution.

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 11:55am

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    Tonya McKinney

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    Thank You Peak

    All I can say is thank you Peak for all the super early coverage, the amazing forums and advice on covid 19, way before the pandemic broke national news.  I don’t understand why our health authorities aren’t promoting Vitamin D, zinc, NAC, Quercetin, Monolaurin etc. and a healthy lifestyle, why they aren’t acknowledging HCQ/Zinc/Azithromycin for early treatment.  It’s a travesty. So many needless deaths...the question everyone needs to do is ask why? We need an investigation.

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 1:29pm

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    Barbara

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    Adam - How about this instead of Pitchforks? Each of us needs to decide NOW!

    How about this instead of Pitchforks? You need to decide NOW!

    We are all appalled by the rabid, vicious polarization of American society and the callous use of our collective pain by corrupt politicians, officials and special interests to solidify their cynical power grabs.  The bizarre rhetoric from both rabid left and fanatical right is becoming more and more divorced from reality.  In case you’re worried about hearing a political diatribe below, I’ll identify my starting place as “a plague on both their houses”.

    Harari, in his book Sapiens suggests that civilizations remain cohesive to the extent that their people share a coherent collective imagined reality.  America and most of the West has lost that ability to create a catalyzing common story that will help people draw together to work for a shared better future.  Instead we inhabit separate, incompatible mythologies where we must make those with another mythology into the EVIL OTHER, lest we question our own crumbling worldview.  None of these competing myths have any capacity to solve the overwhelming problems created by current life conditions. Supposed leaders and the media/money machines propping them up continue to double down and then double down again on their already-failed policies that are spreading a relentless pandemic among a clueless population. Meanwhile, working people are rapidly losing the capacity to economically support themselves as federal policies allow the super wealthy to drain more and more of the liquidity away from main street.

    Now, as has been happening for many election cycles, Americans are again being asked to hold their nose against the stench of political corruption and vote for the Least Obnoxious Jerk, because the opposition is “truly EVIL”.  There is no longer a shining light on the hill towards which we can look for inspiration.  We are simply offered more and more of the same old failing pretend solutions that got us into this swamp in the first place, because the “evil opposition” will be worse.

    As public health and economic conditions continue to decline, we ask, all too seriously, when will the pitchforks come out.  The anger that should be directed to both parties in Washington has been redirected to inner city vandalism, looting, killing and a predictable backlash against mindless violence directed against the wrong source.  What would it take for US, collectively, to identify the true villain, direct our anger towards the correct source and work together for a better future?

    The voices on the IDW (intellectual dark web, created by wanabe elites who were driven out of the affluent mainstream when they dared to notice a naked emperor here and there) have an idea.  They suggest we create our own alternative ticket, totally independent of both corrupt parties by drafting a couple of honest men.

    If you’re not familiar with the IDW, I can tell you that Chris ended up dumped there when Wikipedia delisted him as a conspiracy theorist for accurate Covid reporting and YouTube started unsubscribing his listeners. Censorship is alive and real, IF you dare to tell a truth that conflicts with the official media narrative.  Demonization of those with a conflicting view is spreading faster than Covid and it may be more lethal.

    I suggest you listen to a few of these videos, in the order below.  They get a bit long, but like Chris, they have a lot to say.

    An interesting discussion of why we trust some people (like Chris), while we find other abrasive people not useful.  This is the best place to start your thinking on the topic of civil discourse in the search for the truth.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxlVAbc1Vjo

    A short summary of what they’re trying to do now.

    This is where they are in Aug.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeUOvxX-zLI

    Here’s the Unity website.  https://articlesofunity.org/the-vision/

    Most of us think we can’t possibly fight this behemoth and we’re prepping to build our proverbial ark in the hopes that we can survive the predictable disaster.  Most days I agree with that assessment.  However my grandmother taught me that life was hard AND I was totally responsible for coping with what it threw at me.  She also told me “you NEVER give up”.  So, I’m asking every intelligent, thoughtful group I know.  Can we justify standing back or are we morally obligated to say NO and try to catalyze enough voices that Wikipedia and YouTube take us as seriously as the Portland rioters.  I don’t think we’re a voice in the wilderness anymore.  Are we ready to give it one last try before we board up the windows and flood the moats?

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 1:43pm

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    Study that shows HCQ ineffective funded by Gates

    Antiviral treatment of SARS-CoV-2-infected hamsters reveals a weak effect of favipiravir and a complete lack of effect for hydroxychloroquine
     

    This project has received funding from the Covid-19-Fund KU Leuven/UZ Leuven and the

    COVID-19 call of FWO (G0G4820N), the European Union’s Horizon 2020 research and innovation program under grant agreements No 101003627 (SCORE project), funding from Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation under grant agreement INV-00636, the Stichting Antoine Faes. Source: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.19.159053v1.full

     

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 2:12pm

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    Study funded by Gates had no Zinc with HCQ.

    Would Zinc have made a difference in this study?

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 2:12pm

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    Vitamin D, Magnesium & B12 Dramatically Improves Outcomes

    An interesting study out of Singapore:

    Vitamin D, Magnesium, B12 Combo Improves COVID Outcomes

    The cohort study involved 43 COVID-19 patents who were admitted to the Singapore General Hospital between January 15, 2020, and April 15, 2020. Seventeen of the patients received oral vitamin D3 (1,000 IU), magnesium (150 milligrams (mg)) and vitamin B12 (500 mcg) — together known as DMB — upon admission for a median of five days while 26 patients who did not receive DMB served as the control group.9

    Significant benefits were seen among the DMB group, with only 17.6% requiring initiation of oxygen therapy during their hospitalization, compared to 61.5% of those in the control group. The requirement for oxygen is associated with an increased risk of needing intensive care, and the DMB group also benefited in this area.

    Among those in the DMB group who required supplemental oxygen (three out of the 17 patients), two required ICU admission while one did not. Among the control group, all of those who needed supplemental oxygen required further ICU support. Nine of the DMB patients were given the combination within the first week of the onset of symptoms, and only one among them required oxygen therapy.

    Overall, only three of the DMB patients deteriorated, two of whom deteriorated within 24 hours and may not have had enough time for the combo to work. The third case was started on DMB after seven days from onset of symptoms, and the researchers believe starting earlier in the course of the infection may be important.

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/08/11/vitamin-d-magnesium-b12-improve-covid-outcomes.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200811Z1&mid=DM621200&rid=937692947

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 2:32pm

    Tonya McKinney

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    Doctors on the front line say different

    Many doctors treating actual human patients including two of my amazing doctors prescribe HCQ/zinc/azithromycin to their Covid-19 patients and have seen remarkable positive results with it.  I’ll go with the doctors on the front line any day over a mouse study that is most likely flawed like most of the HCQ studies have been.

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 2:44pm

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    Chuck in Belize said:

    Here, I think, is part of the Spiritual Solution.

    https://www.breakingbelizenews.com/2020/08/15/bullet-tree-residents-donate-groceries-to-villager-infected-with-covid-19/

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 4:35pm

    Tonya McKinney

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    Silicon Valley Swaying The Vote!!

    I was literally shocked watching the CSpan clip on Silicon Valley (SV) manipulating the vote. I had never thought of this.  Thanks for enlightening me Mohammed Mast.  Here is the clip again:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4814811/user-clip-ted-cruz-questions-robert-epstein-big-tech-election-interference

     

     

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 5:04pm

    ao

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    To Hladini

    You're preaching to the choir here.  I am fully in agreement with Mohammed and you on this issue.  Hence my post commending Mohammed for that statement.  If you go back and look through the archives, you'll find that I was one of the first posters on this site to say that while the 3Es are important, they are but a subset of problems with the root problem of this planet and humanity being spiritual in nature.

    If you notice, humanity is having everything of a material nature, everything that it once thought was important, being stripped from it step by step, day by day, one by one, until it recognizes that there is only one thing it can truly depend upon, the Source of all things in the universe.  As has been said, “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.”  Once human beings come to a recognition of that fact and act accordingly, understanding who they are, where they come from, why they are here, and where they are going, they and the world they inhabit will be transformed.  It is coming.  All that is uncertain is when.

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 6:01pm

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    Seven Fires Prophecy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_fires_prophecy

    The seventh fire teaching Anishinaabe prophecy says there are two options (cross-roads): materialism or spirituality. It says if spirituality is chosen, there will be survival, which is not the case if the choice is materialism. Learn more in the Mishomis book.

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 7:29pm

    ao

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    Tonya, here's your explanation

    To control a person or a population, the Communist Chinese and North Koreans during the Korean War (and probably many others before them) learned you create three conditions:

    1) Dependency

    2) Debility

    3) Dread

    All these conditions are being produced in our society, country, and world.

    Regarding dependency, the population is becoming increasingly dependent upon the government.  We have just passed the threshold where now, more than 50% of the population is being supported by the government, either through being government employees, receiving Social Security retirement and disability income, or through other entitlement and assistance programs.  We are also seeing increasing dependencies upon charities.  I have participated in four Feeding America programs at our church as well as our annual backpack and school supply giveaways.  The number of people relying upon these programs is steadily increasing as the population slips deeper into impoverishment.

    Regarding debility, the assumption throughout this plandemic is that we are all sick or about to become so.  Rather than quarantining the ill or highly vulnerable, however, we've quarantined the entire population.  Plus, we've created a weak, stiff, overweight, sick, impoverished, dumbed down, wounded, vulnerable population through our food and agricultural and agrichemical systems, our medical and pharmaceutical systems, our banking and insurance systems, our military-industrial systems, our educational systems, etc. that has become increasing reliant upon the various institutions (from medical to political) and increasingly unable and/or unwilling to be self responsible and self reliant.

    Regarding dread, who here, from the young to the old, thinks things are improving?  No one with a functioning cerebral cortex.  When you add in the ongoing psy-ops of lies, deception, corruption, hypocrisies, inconsistencies, and contradictions coming from the MSM and government, who here feels increasing secure about their future?  No one.  Even if you've taken all manner of steps to build resilience (as many of us here, including myself, have), there is a tsunami of sequential changes sweeping the world which will affect every last one of us.  If you think your preps make you immune to these changes, you are self delusional.  You will not be able to stop this wave.  The best you can do is learn how to surf it.

    So to answer your question as to why health authorities aren't promoting what you mentioned, a question I have been asking for months and even years, it is because the agenda is NOT to make us healthy and self reliant.  It is to extract wealth from us and gain wealth for themselves through a vaccine and other means.  It is to alter our DNA through a vaccine with enormous permanent physical and psychological consequences.  It is to gain power and keep us under their control. It is to make us dependent.  It is to debilitate us.  It is to create dread in us.

    The more chaos and trouble we experience, the more many of us will cry out for someone to "Do something!".  Thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis.  Problem, reaction, solution.  And they will answer our cry.  The dirty money that supposedly can infect you will be replaced by a "clean" digital currency, for your supposed safety, your convenience, and, of course, "the children".  No more coin shortages as well, by the way.  Every aspect of your life will be under their control with this currency system.  Even the little cash you could make from a garage sale will no longer be available to you.  And if you run afoul of the system in any way, be it unrighteous or righteous, your access to it will be denied.  They will (politely of course) starve you out until you bend to their will and comply or until you are dead and gone.  We will cede more and more control to our controllers in the hopes that this will make the situation better but it won't.  Exactly the opposite will occur.

    Social credit systems will be implemented, at first, to encourage compliance with mask wearing, social distancing, receiving your vaccination, etc.  But then it will spread to influence and direct and eventually dictate every aspect of your behavior.  You will be controlled by social pressures, backed by government power which in turn ultimately comes from the barrel of a gun.  You will not dare to question the narrative, not if you don't want your life to turn into a living hell on earth.  It is "soft" population behavioral control through operant conditioning and far more effective than any "hard" controls, controls which would likely be rebelled against by the more independent portion of the population.

    These measures will also lead to population reduction, a desired outcome by the elite for the New World Order.  How do you reduce a population?  By the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.  Plague is one means.  Lest you believe otherwise, more plandemics are on the way.  Famine is another means.  We know from the handwriting on the wall that food shortages will be coming also.  Conquest, both internal and external, is another way.  Internally, the minds of our population have already been largely conquered.  External conquest will follow as a house divided against itself cannot stand.  Thus comes war, the last horseman.  We know from a long history of human cycles, described by everyone from the Romans to Strauss and Howe to Martin Armstrong, that war is an inevitable cyclical eventuality.  And it, unfortunately, is ruthlessly efficient in reducing population.

    I left out a few things but the above at least gives you some explanation for why.

    By the way, there are sources, very accurate sources, that say this virus is NEVER going away.  And it was engineered and planned.  In fact, it was engineered to "seek out" whatever the most vulnerable system is in an individual and act upon that system in particular.  Hence, the wide variety of effects we have seen from this disease in different individuals.

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 11:47pm

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    Quantum-dot tattoo through vaccine is real

    We don't know if it's going to be used in the Covid19 vaccines, but the technology exists:

    “The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation came to us and said, ‘Hey, we have a real problem — knowing who’s vaccinated,’” said McHugh, who was recruited to join Rice with funding from the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas. “They said, ‘We go on vaccination campaigns where people get into Hummers, drive to a rural village, set up a tent and start immunizing people, but they don’t always know who’s been immunized before and what vaccines are still needed.”

    Parents often don’t know their children’s vaccination histories, McHugh said. “So our idea was to put the record on the person,” he said. “This way, later on, people can scan over the area to see what vaccines have been administered and give only the ones still needed."

    Source: http://news.rice.edu/2019/12/18/quantum-dot-tattoos-hold-vaccination-record/

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  • Sat, Aug 15, 2020 - 11:52pm

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    Study that shows HCQ ineffective funded by Gates

    I sent a few questions to the lead author as I noticed they had made a solution of the HCQ with DMSO and some other stuff. Both of which are not neutral products and can influence the results. Also I understood that the HCQ dosage was 5x that of Professor Raoult's protocol...

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 12:14am

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    DaveDD

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    Old news, new news

    today I stumbled on this:

    The Russian flu pandemic could have been a corona virus pandemic Belgian researchers found.

    Main takeaways: 1) similar symptoms to Covid-19, 2) virus weakend severely over time, 3) there was a more severe “second” wave, and 4) society reacted in a similar way. Source.

    To me this illustrates that not all bews is corrupted, fortunately.

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 2:52am

    RandomMike

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    RandomMike said:

    What is "SV"?

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 4:12am

    robie robinson

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    SIlicone

     

    Valley.

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 5:53am

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    Japan's anime industry is falling down too

    Well, it's not only the mainstream media that have been affected. Even the entertainment industry in Japan has also been hit by the pandemic.

    Sources: 1 2

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 6:32am

    Mohammed Mast

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    I apologize

    Sorry ao etal. I actually hate to type so I use abbreviations as much as possible.

    SV is Silicon Valley. The point being it is naive to think that some of the richest people in the country are not political players on a huge scale. After all Bezos does own the WAPO.

    Not only are these people wealthy, they are in control of tech. Who is the largest censorship organism in the US? SV. They are controlling the narrative. One example ; Yesterday I was searching for the Norwegian virologist who said the virus looks like it was created in a lab. Searched google.  " norwegian scientist says coronavirus created in a lab. " What I got was 2 solid pages of scientists saying it was impossible for the virus to be created in a lab. Page three there he was Birger Sorensen. So I went to Duck Duck Go and lo and behold there he was at the top of page one.

    These people are working on AI at a furious pace. I posted months ago how Cuomo was partnering with tech giant Eric Schmidt (a big democrat donor) on surveillance the like of which we have never seen.

    It is good to remember that these people came out of Stanford which is spelled CIA. The technology they give us gives them access to everything about us. I shudder to think about the technology they actually have.

    So when you go to the polls remember it is just a manipulation.

    Orwell was a fucking optimist

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 6:38am

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    Dubya

    “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.  They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”

    — George W. Bush

     

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 6:54am

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    Mercola on the Vaccine

    I am sorry if this is a double post but this is important and should be stickied here somewhere. Chris was a VP at Pfizer. Pfizer is in Ct. Yale is leading the propaganda charge. Yale is in Ct. Yale is also home to Skull and Bones, where Geronimo's skull resides. The elites have plans for us. You will submit either by persuasion or by force.

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/08/13/coronavirus-vaccination-campaign.aspx

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 8:28am

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    To AO...another question

    Wow AO!!! I feel like you are from the future and I don’t mean that sarcastically. Thank you for that response...I learned so much and sadly agree with all of it.  What do you feel we can do to not allow these predictions to take place? I want a beautiful, bright, free and wonderful world for my children and grandchildren. And I want to try to change the course of events about to take place.

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 12:04pm

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    Thanks Belka8

    There are lots of Native American prophecies. The 7 Fires has been pretty accurate up till now.

    In Hinduism there are 4 Yugas or Ages. The current age is the Kali Yuga. It is the darkest of the 4. Ironically it is also the Age where it is possible  to make the greatest spiritual progress in the shortest amount of time.

    https://www.sivasakti.com/tantra/philosophy/shaivism-the-preceding-signs-of-kali-yuga/

    Things will get worse, much worse before they get better. Finding that which is sacred and our spiritual center is our most beneficial goal at this time. It is the Heroes Journey

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 12:15pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Hi ao

    What I said was "there are no political solutions to the human condition"

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 12:19pm

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    Big Brother

    Above in another post I mentioned Cuomo and Eric Schmidt partnering to bring us a Brave New World. Bill Gates is also very much involved. As Gomer would say Sooprise Sooprise.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/05/08/andrew-cuomo-eric-schmidt-coronavirus-tech-shock-doctrine/

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 12:44pm

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    Hi Dave

    Yes there are some journalists out there who are telling the truth. There are also whistleblowers like Snowden and Chelsea Manning. Look at what is happening to Julian Assange. He has committed no crime and is being held w/o access to decent medical care and decent access to his attorneys. There are people like Chris Hedges and Robert Sheer but look at the price they have paid.

    Yes there are some journalists telling the truth but you will not find them on corporate media. Corporate media is where 95% of the ahem "news " is disseminated .

    Here is Matt Taibbi on journalism.

    https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/458410-matt-taibbi-american-journalism/

    It is about as dangerous being a real journalist as it is being in the service.

    I suggest you scroll through RT tv and Chris Hedges.

    https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/

    Amy Goodman on Democracy now is pretty good.

     

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 1:09pm

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    That is why we are here

    Its hard to get objective evidence based information today.  Thankfully there are sites like PP.  There are people who are enlightened.  There are some really good youtubers .. There are plenty of bad.  Many smart people know what is going on.  But that is not enough to change anything at the moment    What really disappoints me is that I am unable to get through to my own family.  How can you get the right message to people when people are stubborn and set on their brainwashed ways?

    As I say, It will have to get much worse before people wake up.  It will be far too late then.  I have little hope for humanity.  All the prophecies are currently being fulfilled.  No crystal ball needed to know what is coming and what is happening.

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 2:21pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    @nordicjack The book "How to have impossible conversations" might be useful.   Chris interviewed the author a while back:

     

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/peter-boghossian-how-to-have-impossible-conversations/

     

    What I liked about this book is that its really offering you two things:  1 is how to deal with ideologues and the other is think about your own thinking in case you are the ideologue.

    tldr;  You may not be able to "convince" your family members of any particular thing but you can instill doubt in their minds about what they think they know and open them up to updating their ideas.

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 3:05pm

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    2retired said:

    Capitalist dictators are generally interested in enriching themselves and once done, lose interest in you; socialist dictators enrich themselves and their cronies and know how you should think, so never lose interest in you and what you might be thinking: given the choice I would prefer capitalist ones.

    A mangled quote from George Jonas who fled communist eastern Europe (and now departed)

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 3:38pm

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    Does PP have a guide to building a good medicine stash?

    This is one of those things Ive dragged my feet on thinking, "Well, I'll only need this when they've dropped the bomb so Ill focus on more cheerful forms of resilience for now..."

     

    But the official response to HCQ as a treatment for Covid  has made me consider the possibility that I could be subject to infection by an easily treatable condition that my government will simply shrug and not treat me for.

     

    I recently ordered HCQ from India.  I didn't order Ivermectin because I assumed it was a more exotic drug and I only wanted to mess around with stuff that was well understood.

    Now Im wishing I had ordered Ivermectin too since its just another commodity medication but Im really wondering what else a chap should have around the home?

     

    Is it just a matter of stocking up some pain killers, anti-virals and anti-bacterials?  What else would be useful?

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 5:54pm

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    re Medicine stash

    I poked around the site, but couldn't find anything to point you to, wotthecurtains.  Maybe someone else will have better luck.  It seems like that would be a good addition to the wikis linked to in the "Prepare" section.  It would be nice if there was some way of extending that store of community knowledge to additional topics like this (granted that's easier said than done if one is to keep the wikis from becoming a mess).

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 8:51pm

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    Tonya, here're my thoughts

    I am in full agreement with you Tonya.  I too want a "beautiful, bright, free, and wonderful world for my children and grandchildren".  I don't purport to have all the answers but I'll try to answer as best as I can.  Obviously, from a physical and material perspective, the overall blueprint for action brilliantly laid out by Chris, Adam, and many fine PP contributors is a great place to start.  The more we can do to disengage from the debt and death paradigm and not feed the monster with our money, our time, our attention, and our efforts, the better.  And the more we can do to educate others, the more we contribute to a groundswell that can effect whatever change is possible from human effort..
    Unfortunately, as I stated previously, the changes that are coming are like a tsunami and just as unstoppable in the short term.  Putting up our hands and saying stop or trying to stand in place will be fruitless.  Instead, one tries to get to high ground or surfs the wave.  But that one leads to a self preservation that is likely temporary, not a salvation of the nation..
    As has been said by others and myself, the problem is bigger than a material or physical one.  It is a spiritual one and so is the solution.  Let's look at one contemporary example, that of black lives matter.  Black lives matter (written in small letters) is something I am in full agreement with as long as it is recognized that all lives matter and black lives should matter equal to all others, not more and not less.  It was black spiritual leaders, Christian clergymen primarily, who led the civil rights movement in the 60s and God was in the forefront of their movement.  Black Lives Matter (written in capital letters), however, is a totally different animal.  Its founders are Marxist, it is Marxist at its core, it is godless (and, in fact, anti-God), and its goal is to tear apart the fabric of our present society and rebuild it in a Marxist model, a model which, by the way, has NEVER been successful and has always brought pain, suffering, and death in its wake.  BLM in caps is a model I am not in agreement with.  In my mind, the old movement was moral while this one pretends to be but is not.
    I know you're probably wondering where this is all going but please be patient with my roundabout style.  You'll see the point I wish to make in just a bit.  Proceeding onward, the code that I hold to (which is embraced by many but not necessarily all) is that in a life-or-death situation, men will sacrifice themselves to save women and children.  We value them more than ourselves because we are their protectors, they are more vulnerable than us, and most importantly, they are the future of our species.  Hence, women and children first in the lifeboats on the Titanic.  Taking that a step further, we tend to value the young more than the old.  As a grandfather, I would willingly sacrifice my life to save my grandchildren as would my daughter and son-in-law.  So the hierarchy of preservation seems to be, the younger the human, the more we do to protect them.  With that, I am in full agreement.
    So the question which arises in my mind, is why do black lives matter, but the youngest, the most vulnerable of black lives, seem to matter not at all?  Why is it that blacks comprise only 15% of our population but fully one third of the millions of babies that have been aborted are black?  So black lives matter but black fetal lives are worthless?  That doesn't make any sense at all to me.  In fact, it's a sin, a terrible sin to have killed millions of these babies.  As a nation, we are guilty of this sin and we deserve punishment.  As such, our only hope is to confess this sin and repent and ask for forgiveness.  This is but one of many sins that America has committed and deserves punishment for.  Punishment would be just and deserved.  But God is not only righteous but also shows grace and grants forgiveness it we are repentant and pray for forgiveness with a humble and sincere heart and truly seek to change our ways.  To me, this is our only hope.  The power of prayer is enormous.  I have witnessed it in my own life and the lives of friends and acquaintances again and again.  With man, at this late stage, I don't think change is possible but with God, all things are possible.  As Solomon, said, everything else is vanity.  
     
    For me, the lyrics of this song say it all. YMMV
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    Heal Our Land

    Forgive oh Lord and heal our land
    And give us eyes to seek Your face and hearts to understand
    That You alone make all things new
    And the blessings of the land we love are really gifts from You
    If My people will humbly pray and seek My face and turn away
    From all their wicked ways
    Then I will hear them and move My hand
    And freely then will I forgive and I will heal their land
    Unite our hearts in one accord
    And make us hungry for Your peace and burdened for the poor
    And grant us hope that we might see
    A future for the land we love our life our liberty
    If My people will humbly pray and seek My face and turn away
    From all their wicked ways
    Then I will hear them and move My hand

    And freely then will I forgive and I will heal their land
    And I will heal their land
    Heal their land
    Heal their land
    Heal their land
    Heal their land

    Heal their land

    I think this pandemic can actually be a blessing in disguise, a crisis that wakes us up to a rare spiritual opportunity.  Do we help the poor, the hungry, the out of work, the downtrodden, and the oppressed and work together and help one another or do we let the trials, the challenges, and the stress of this crisis divide us and cause us to fight among ourselves and tear one another apart.  The choice is ours.

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 8:54pm

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    Mohammed, sorry for the misstatement

    I actually made a note of exactly what you said in a place I gather such things so I should have done better.  Thanks for the correction.

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  • Sun, Aug 16, 2020 - 9:05pm

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    good medicine stash

    Wotthecurtains

    You can easily buy ivermectin for your horse, in America.  Dont need to buy from India.  Just be darn sure to adjust for your smaller body weight.  There are lots of people on the internet who can give advice on this.  Even tho in Japan, I actually found it best to buy mine from America.
    I bought a spectrum of antibiotics from a doctor in Washington State.  Over the last 5 years, taking the ampicillina has saved my butt (more precisely, my skin, and my lungs) a few times.  I recommend ampicillin at the top of my list.

    good luck buddy

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  • Mon, Aug 17, 2020 - 6:42am

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    CAUSE of long-haulers?

    A good critique of the fake news, but the video about the long haulers is useless, as we don't even know that they don't have vitamin D deficiency. What % of the problem is clueless doctors giving terrible, clownworld treatments and lack thereof?

    Think about this analogy: For how many of those 15% (100 out of 700) of Covid patients that experience long-term symptoms is it like getting stabbed, and then not taking the knife out, and wondering why symptoms last long? The knife could be vitamin D deficiency, lack of zinc+HCQ, vitamin C depletion, glutathione depletion, B vitamins depletion, lack of ivermectin use, high stress/cortisol attenuating the immune system (can be addressed with benzos/cannabis/theanine/taurine/vitamin C/etc), recent vaccine adjuvants injections where heavy metals may still be wrecking havoc (purified zeolites could be used), vitamin A deficiency, magnesium deficiency, etc. If clownworld doctors were competent rather than clueless order-followers and the nutrient deficiencies were corrected and the known treatments/cures were administered, would they be long-haulers?

    NO USEFUL DATA is provided by any of these articles, because the role of nutrients and non-pharma-cartel-approved cures do not figure in their narrative, and that's a big part of the problem.

    Yes, long-haulers are a real thing, BUT WHY??? Without even knowing their vitamin D level, without pulling out at least THAT knife, it's not useful data.

    The video is from Bloomberg, which you criticized in the same video for fake news/lies from Bill Gates. You then stated as the first conclusion that "The US mainsteam press continues to do a horrible job of providing context and appropriate guidance." - Well yeah exactly, and in the long-haulers article just as much as any other. You point out in the 3rd conclusion they don't mention vitamin D and other "terrain boosting efforts". In reality we need data on recently vaccinated (i.e. recently injected themselves with a high dose of aluminum and other toxins) vs. not recently vaccinated (i.e. not recently injected themselves with a high dose of aluminum and other toxins), but that's asking far too much, but vitamin D? Everybody should know by now that if you have <19 ng/ml 25(OH)D you have a near 100% chance of dying, yet if it's >34 ng/ml you have a near 100% chance of not dying of Covid. But that means even 34 ng/ml is insufficiency, or the lower range of sufficiency, far from the optimal 60-80 ng/ml which grants you optimal health including shocking immunity effects, which we're not supposed to know about.

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  • Tue, Aug 18, 2020 - 12:02pm

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    Make Your Choices, People.

    Saw this and had to share:

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  • Tue, Aug 18, 2020 - 1:10pm

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    NEW Feature Movie Full length Plandemic indoctornation London REAL pulled off youtube already

    https://freedomplatform.tv/plandemic-indoctornation-world-premiere/#popup1

    you can watch free just subscribe to London Real if you wish

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  • Tue, Aug 18, 2020 - 1:46pm

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    Barbara, Just a great comment #11

    Thank you for working so hard.  It deserves a thoughtful response. What happened to the good old days when we could work together and get things done as a country?  My party gets pushed out?  We try to get compromises to get us by until its our turn to set the direction.  People could be happier. We could all work together to make things better.  The president wanted to be president for all Americans.

    Is this one possible answer to what's going on today:  Do we Really know what brain washing is?  Sure everyone knows the general term.  But have we lived through it? My best example so far would be Eckhart Tolle's philosophy book 'A New Earth', a New York Times bestseller and one of Oprah Winfrey's favorites. My impression in the first 200 pages was that the book was devoted to tearing down the 'ego' each one of us has, essentially blowing up our image of ourselves, our religion, and our personality and becoming open to the waves of intelligence the earth is providing us.  So to me brainwashing is wiping your mind clean of everything you ever believed before its can be reintroduced to the so-called 'truth'.   I mean really washing it out completely.

    So what is the value of the constant stream of negativity we see all around us?  The negativity we see on TV? Do we need to have a clean slate before we can be enlightened with 'the truth' they want us to have?

    I'm afraid we're going to be bombarded with negativity as long as they are convinced it works.

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  • Thu, Aug 20, 2020 - 8:49pm

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    @ Tonya - here's how to support the research on SV manipulation of election

    They can monitor social media in real time with volunteers to expose the manipulation. They want to do this in real time but need money. Here is how you can support the work

    https://aibrt.org/index.php/support

    If you type mygoogleresearch.com it should also get you to this site.

     

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  • Thu, Aug 20, 2020 - 9:26pm

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    @ MM - re messaging study on how to position vaccines to the public - "don't do your own research"

    The "trust the science" (i.e., don't question it) message is already being pushed.

    See this article from Forbes - apparently what Dr. Martenson does here - (evaluates research) - is a no-no:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-must-not-do-your-own-research-when-it-comes-to-science/#56d706c5535e

    Other similar messages specifically aimed at vaccines - too many to list.

    The messaging being tested includes:

    Personal freedom message — A message about how COVID-19 is limiting people's personal freedom, and how society, by working together to get enough people vaccinated, can preserve its personal freedom.

    Economic freedom message — A message about how COVID-19 is limiting people's economic freedom, and how society, by working together to get enough people vaccinated, can preserve its economic freedom.

    Self-interest message — A message that COVID-19 presents a real danger to one's health, even if one is young and healthy, and how getting vaccinated against COVID-19 is the best way to prevent oneself from getting sick.

    Community interest message — A message about the dangers of COVID-19 to the health of loved ones: The more people who get vaccinated against COVID-19, the lower the risk that one's loved ones will get sick. Society must work together and all get vaccinated.

    Economic benefit message — A message about how COVID-19 is wreaking havoc on the economy and the only way to strengthen the economy is to work together to get enough people vaccinated.

    Guilt message — A message is about the danger that COVID-19 presents to the health of one's family and community. Therefore, the best way to protect them is not only by getting vaccinated, but to get society to work together to get enough people vaccinated. Then a test question asks the participant to imagine the guilt they will feel if they don't get vaccinated and then spread the disease.

    Embarrassment message — A message is about the danger that COVID-19 presents to the health of one's family and community: The best way to protect them is by getting vaccinated and by working together to make sure that enough people get vaccinated. Then it asks the participant to imagine the embarrassment they will feel if they don't get vaccinated and spread the disease.

    Anger message — The message is about the danger that COVID-19 presents to the health of one's family and community. The best way to protect them is by getting vaccinated and by working together to make sure that enough people get vaccinated. It then asks the participant to imagine the anger they will feel if they don't get vaccinated and spread the disease.

    Trust in science message — A message about how getting vaccinated against COVID-19 is the most effective way of protecting one's community, that vaccination is backed by science: If one doesn't get vaccinated that means that one doesn't understand how infections are spread or you are one who ignores science.

    Not brave message — A message which describes how firefighters, doctors and front line medical workers are brave: Those who choose not to get vaccinated against COVID-19 are not brave.

     

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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 12:31am

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    Maybe the Forbes article really isn't about convincing you you're not qualified.

    Maybe its for those who want to cling to what they hear from their family doctors (or physicians assistants) and what is constantly on TV (or what's on YouTube news if you don't have cable).  The Forbes article just supports those people and reinforces that their beliefs are winning.

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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 4:24am

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    science: corrupted

    If Fauci had actually done real science on - say - hydroxychloroqine, I'd be much more willing to believe what he says about vaccines.

    But no.  No rapid trial on HCQ + AZ + Zinc, used early.  Rapid trial for remdesivir, but not for HCQ.  He's a totally inauthentic, corrupt scientist, so I don't believe a thing he says.   Why would I?  Why would any thinking person with any common sense?

    He's just a salesman for Pharma.   And that's putting the best possible spin on the situation.

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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 4:58am

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    So who’s responsible for more deaths this year?

    So who’s responsible, directly and indirectly, for more human deaths this year? Police Officer Derek Chauvin or Dr. Anthony Fauci? (Show your work.)

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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 5:28am

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    Other nominees

    Cuomo and Oxiris Barbot

    But Tony the Rat is probably the winner

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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 7:08am

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    Ivermectin is available for sheep as well, over the counter at your feed store.

    Is .ikely the same stuff as for horses, just packaged specifically for horse people and sheep people.  Makes it easier for dosing.  We use it for nose bots in our sheep, horrible thing where the larva climb up their noses and grow in their sinuses until they snort them out.  Very uncomfortable for them, and some can have trouble breathing through their noses.  So...we use the anti-parasite stuff, ivermectin, those that need it.  Works well.  Kind of comforting to know we have some on hand for whatever comes up.

     

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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 7:51am

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    To ao: I got goose bumps

    Hello AO!  I feel soooooo fortunate to have spiritual insight during hard times.  For one, I know I'm not this body, it has an expiration date, and it's the only body on planet earth that can contemplate the incomprehensible.  So, I know from the get go that my body is temporary and we're all gonna suffer that one really bad day when this body is finished.   That's a huge advantage psychologically as it greatly reduces the fear factor.

    The fundamental root of all knowledge which leads to being able to determine 'what is what' is the knowledge that we are not these bodies.  These bodies are temporary  vehicles for the true, actual self.  All living entities are eternal spiritual conscience beings entrapped/embodied in a lump of ignorance: bags filled with variations of  blood, puss, mucous, stool and urine.

    Speaking of knowledge, according to the Vedas there are four pillars of spiritual life:  Mercy, Austerity, Cleanliness and Truthfulness.  The last leg standing in this Kaliyuga Age of Quarrel and Hypocrisy is Truthfulness.  The other three pillars of spirituality are missing in action during Kaliyuga.  Only the pillar of Truth is left standing during these times, you  just have to find it and pray you recognize Truth when you see it..... and visa versa.

    Actual spiritual practices are similarly  very grounding and stabilizing.  My spiritual practices have enriched my life, allowed me to practice restraint while under tremendous pressure, and has acted like a sedative calming down my emotions when contemplating the domino effects of the Piss Poor Public Policies that are disintegrating the economy, killing people directly and indirectly, and creating a food shortage of epic proportions, globally.

    How do you counteract such Dark forces?  Only by communion with the Divine.

    Acting within the framework of the three modes of material nature:  goodness, passion and ignorance, all three modes bind the  soul in the material world.  The goal is to act on the Transcendental platform to avoid this bondage and that is accomplished only by  a change of consciousness.  The  first step to such a change of consciousness is the understanding that the living entity is NOT the body.

    The root cause of all ignorance is mis-identification with the body, just like the root cause of inflation is fiat currency.  It has to go!

    Imagine a world where the human population understood that all living beings, no matter what form they embodied, were eternal spiritual beings trapped in ignorant matter.  How would our values change?

    Would we have a fight with other groups based on race?  Religion?  Skin color?  Would we willy nilly kill other living beings on an industrial scale un-necessarily?  If humanity upheld the Pillar of Austerity, certainly not.  We would not value economic development over life itself.

    We literally destroy entire ecosystems in South America to graze cattle so we can slaughter them for food that we don't really need to eat to survive.

    That trickle down theory is in full swing here.  It appears the salacious, ever expanding rapaciousness of the elites has trickled down to MainStreeters.

    I highly recommend reading AC Bhaktivedanta's Bhagavad-Gita As It Is.  But, you have to make sure you get the original.  Since His Divine Grace's departure in 1977, his disciples have taken it upon themselves to heavily edit the Gita, including replacing much of the original art work personally overseen by this Spiritual Master - a true expert and topmost practitioner of Bhakti-Yoga (communion with the Divine Person through Devotional Service).

    OK guys, last plug.

    Bhakti-Yoga is a perfect combination of philosophy and faith;  philosophy without faith is mental speculation and faith without philosophy is fanaticism.    Without the spiritual anchor of foundational spiritual knowledge and a modicum of faith, we are like tiny pieces of cork tossing about in the North Pacific Ocean during a mighty northern gale.

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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 8:47am

    Hladini

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    Yes MM! The easiest method of all the Yugas.

    I am a practitioner of Bhakti-yoga and can talk all about it!  Bhakti-yoga is a spiritual method to re-establish our relationship with the Supreme Person/Lord by devotional service, and it's very easy.

    It has to be.

    Kaliyugites are a sorry lot.  We have diminished life spans, memories, patience, intellect, no ability to practice austerities, wanton sex life, wanton drug use, rapacious out of control senses, four built in defects, an insatiable lust for profit, adoration and distinction, and most of us are under the misguided belief we are these bodies.

    We are not equipped to deliver ourselves from the clutches of the material world without a huge spot.  The essence of the philosophy goes like this: by directly associating with the Supreme Being/Lord, we become purified and thus become qualified to re-enter the spiritual  world.  The Supreme Lord/Person is omniscient and omnipresent.  He is non different from his Name, Form, Past-Times, Paraphernalia, etc.  So, when you say the Lord's name, you are directly associating with the Lord and His presence is absolutely purifying.

    There are three primary manifestations of the  Supreme Lord/Person/Being:  The  Universal Form, the Lord in the heart of every living entity, and then, the topmost form The Supreme Personality of Godhead:  Krsnas tu Bhagavan Svayama (sic?).  Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the top most and original form of the Lord.

    Krsna means "He who is all attractive" and also "He who stops the repetition of birth and death."

    That's why Hare Krsna's are supposed to chant the Maha Mantra:  Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare 1728 times a day, not including singing the Maha Mantra.

    BTW, "Maha Mantra" means  the Great Prayer for Deliverance.

    Easier said than done.   I can attest it is not easy to follow the prescription to chant 16 rounds a day.  I have not done so in many, many years, however, I had a recent 2.5 years of steady  daily chanting first 8 then 12 rounds per day.  Unfortunately, since June 2020, I have not been steady and have missed more than I've actually chanted.  It appears part of my spiritual practice has collapsed with everything else!  I still practice Sadhana by way of reciting/singing other prayers on a daily basis, but I miss chanting my rounds.

    Finally, we could all use a little philosophy in our lives in such trying times.  Here is a link to the original Bhagavad-Gita As It Is, side by side with the edited version - edited after His Divine Grace's departure - and done against his specific instructions not to edit his books: ( if your interest takes you to the site, make sure you're reading the original and just ignore the edited version).

    https://bookchanges.com/bhagavad-gita-changes-complete-list/

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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 9:44am

    ao

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    Hladini, thank you for sharing your spiritual practice and wisdom

    I am in agreement that we are first and foremost spiritual beings and we need to reconnect fully with our God if there is any hope for deliverance.  These facts have become even more crystal clear to me as of late as I face a medical problem that does not have a favorable long term prognosis.  By the way, a public shout out to Oliveoilguy for his support in this area.  He has been a tremendous help.

    Hladini, I wouldn't be too hard on yourself for letting your chanting practice slide.  As you know, we communicate with God in prayer and prayer can assume various forms, one of which would include repetitive prayer like chanting.   But if I may, I'd like to share what is perhaps a different perspective on the matter that I recently heard and was of value to me and may be to you.  The most intimate relationship we have in the universe is with our God.  He created us and knows us better than we know ourselves ... every cell, every hair on our head (or not, as in my case), every thought, every feeling, every emotion, every experience we have ever had or will have.  So He is, in essence, our very best friend.

    Now, think of how we would communicate with our best friend.  Let's call him Bob.  Imagine if we said, "Hey Bob, hey Bob, hey Bob, hey Bob, hey Bob, hey Bob, her Bob, etc., etc.".  Certainly Bob, the human, would probably begin seriously wondering about us, lol.  Conversely, if our conversation with Bob would become more spontaneous, more authentic, more intimate, more personal, we would likely form a much deeper and lasting relationship with Bob than just saying "Hey Bob" over and over again.

    And so it is in our communication with God.  I know, for myself, shifting my communication from tending to be more formal and/or tending to be repetitive at times to being more personal and intimate has made a significant difference in deepening my relationship with Him.  I say this not to denigrate chanting, if that's what helps you to communicate, but simply to offer another perspective on the matter that might be of value.

     

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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 2:06pm

    Hladini

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    Sincerity and Concentration

    I would agree with you AO, when the chanting is mechanical and inattentive, but if the chanting is meditative, genuine and sincere.... aaahhhhh the rewards!  It's very personal and some of  my  stories would sound outlandish, but I have had brief shadow experiences of transcendental ecstasies.

    Additionally the chanting works like a scrubber, scrubbing away all the Karma accumulated since time immemorial.  We Kaliyugites have a lot of karmic "dirt" accumulated.

    Finally, His Divine Grace said this about the attentive repetitious chanting of the Holy Name: "The chanting is just like the genuine cry of a child for its mother."

    And is it not a proven fact that when we hear the same thing over and over and over again, it starts to sink in?

    It's all in preparation for death to elevate the soul by way of elevating the consciousness so at the time of death your consciousness carries  your soul to a more elevated destination rather than a degraded destination and preferably out of the cycle of birth and death altogether.

    The Maha Mantra also protects you from the most dangerous fear:  taking your next birth in a less than human form.  Imagine the conditioning for that?  The human form of life is such a boon, that alone is worth a lifetime of chanting.

    You'll never know the taste of honey by licking the outside of the jar.  You've got to do it to experience it, and you have to do it right.  No one can do it for you.

    Remember, Death is a solo flight.

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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 3:40pm

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    those are good points

    Heartfelt prayer done with sincerity and concentration as you describe, whether repetitive or otherwise, is indeed powerful.  I agree that death may well be a solo flight but the landing, from my understanding, is a joyous re-union.  Thanks for sharing your experiences and insights.

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