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    Covid-19 A Result of Lab Manipulation? Suspicions Grow…

    Our "experts" continue to disappoint...
    by Adam Taggart

    Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 8:13 AM

Well, our “experts” continue to disappoint…

Why is it that so many of those we’re relying on aren’t being straight with us? Sure, we’ve come to expect that from politicians and the media. But scientists, too?

The chorus declaring that there’s no way that covid-19 could have originated in a lab appears blind to the troubling growing pile of concerning data.

A sudden lockdown of the Wuhan Institute of Virology in October 2019, where gain of function research on bat coronaviruses was being conducted, is being completely ignored.

Many of the arguments refuting lab origination are easily punctured. So easily, we wonder how they’re being put forth with a straight face.

The jury is still out on this question; but it’s clear that enough questions persist that we should all be able to agree that more data is needed before declarative conclusions should be offered on either side:

As usual, we’re left to our own to do our own inquiry, think critically, and make up our minds on our own, versus blindly accept what we’re being told/sold.

So we’ll keep producing these daily videos for as long as you and our other viewers ask us to surface the data we’re looking at, so that you can develop an informed opinion on what’s truly going on.

Don’t forget to get your free download of Peak Prosperity’s book Prosper!. Given its relevance to preparing for any kind of crisis, pandemic or otherwise, Chris and I are now making it available to the world for free during the covid-19 lockdown.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 9:04am

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    drbrucedale

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    Free webinar on reusing face masks and respirators

    PP friends:

    In case you are interested, the American Chemical Society (ACS) is hosting a free webinar tomorrow (Thursday May 14) on how to reuse face masks and respirators.

    You apparently do not have to be a member of the ACS to watch the webinar. You can create a free ACS account (it doesn't look hard to do) just for the purpose of watching the webinar. Here is the link.

    https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/acs-webinars.html?sc=200514_comm_webinar_popchem_em

    I will watch it and let this community know if I learn anything beyond what our "tribe" has shared with each other over the past few months.

    Best,

    Bruce

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 9:46am

    taz1999

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    curious about the mask

    I've been cooking our n95 masks in a paper bag at 170 for 90 minutes. Then storing in same bag.  Thought I heard this method in comments from PP.  I originally bought a UV light but that was un-recommended.  So, I'm curious.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 10:04am

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    taz1999

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    Peak prosperity triggers.

    I've been using PP as a buy trigger.  I bought n95s on the shortage warning.  We had stocked non-perishables for several weeks before the panic.  The UV lamp apparently been un-recommended unless I get a fish tank.  I don't remember the date but around mid-March the community went full hurricane, gas shortages, lines at the store and of course runs on toilet paper.

    Curious as to supply chain disruptions.  I bought an oxygen concentrator based on the warning.  (amazon)  Got the order placed and delivery date.  Delivery date passed and finally saw a notification indicating from China (go figure)   Cancelled that and did get a full refund and ordered a replacement.  Then based on warning wanted to get an oxygen meter.  Tried to identify the company in the states but same thing happened.  Got a refund.  Now re-ordered;  amazon claimed US stock.  Apparently this shipped.

    I think I'm seeing the JIT automation (automated ordering and status) that was generally transparent, now broken from China.

    And BTW I use the PP blog videos to time my sunbathe

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 10:23am

    tatagiri

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    decontaminating masks

    https://www.n95decon.org/ everything you need to know. UVC is very effective .

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 10:30am

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    Prep101

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    smoking gun

    Chris,

    Great expose of why Sars-Cov-II was most probably human-made in a lab!

    I want to talk about the smoking gun of this pandemic. The timeline below is what I find most curious.

    So, on August 21, the John Hopkins Center for Health Security announces that they are going to host Event 201, a global pandemic exercise (with all key players present, INCLUDING THE HEAD OF THE CHINESE CDC for some reason). Funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/news/center-news/2019/2019-08-21-event201.html

    https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/players/index.html

     

    Then, on August 28, the FED's balance sheet is on its lowest point since the last couple of years and suddenly starts to rise very fast after this date (see timestamp 25:45 in the video below):

    Was There Foreknowledge of the Plandemic? – Questions For Corbett #059

     

    Then, from October 6th to October 11th was the window for an incident (or "incident") that happened in the Wuhan Institute of Virology as you pointed in your video on this page (see timestamp 5:08 to 11:13).

     

    Then, on October 15, it is announced who all the players are in this Plandemic, excuse me eh I mean Pandemic-exercise:

    https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/news/center-news/2019/2019-10-15-event201.html

     

    Then the Plandemic-exercise begins on October 18:

    https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/videos.html

     

    This is too much of a coincidence for me. Like I said before, this reeks like the start (or continuation) of a class-warefare of the 0,001% well-connected revolving-door CRONY-capitalist billionaire or multi-multi-millionaire class against the other 99,999% of the population.

    There are lots of conclusions you can draw from this data (and a lot of other non-mainstream information that would be too voluminous for me to mention in this comment), but here are two of them:

    1) Don't ever accept a vaccine that comes from a Bill Gates funded organization.

    2) Be very sceptical which sources and numbers you trust, like the numbers from the John Hopkins University.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 10:31am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Suspicions grow

    They have now found a virus that conveniently is a close relative of SC2 that has an insertion. I have a feeling we will be seeing lots of these viruses popping up "proving" this is a natural occurrence.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200511142202.htm

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 10:52am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Errata

    In the video where you show the traffic around WIV stopped the year is wrong for both July and October. It should be 2019 rather than 2020. Is it a date you put in or a date from the source of the graphic.? It appears it came with the graphic. In any event this is sloppy evidence and should have not been included in the video.

    If you wished to include it I don't believe it should have been given the weight it was. Not that I have a high level of confidence in US intelligence but I would like to think that the WIV would have been on the radar. I would also think that if this information is credible this administration would be broadcasting it from the rooftops.

    This definitely diminishes the video's reliability.

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 11:07am

    taz1999

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    Lack of logic is apalling.

    This provides strong evidence against SARS-CoV-2 being a laboratory escape

    Let me paraphrase:  This configuration could happen in nature so it can't be from a lab …. funded and tasked with doing the same thing, with well established technologies.

    The way these statements are worded is making me suspicious the authors are getting "help" from some ghost writers shaping a narrative.  It's not that easy to wordsmith.

    I conjecture there's a bit a fear around what happens if Wuhan lab is properly investigated.  It seems to me, if you really want to sue China for damages (which makes me laugh)  a lab release narrative could be used to emphasize Chinese culpability.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 11:51am

    David Kendrick

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    Mace EPAI Covid 19 analysis

    The video used a single page of EPAI ODINS 26 page redacted report which was on page 7 of the original, it is a 'photoshop' text box insert and a type error, the rest of the report has similar graphics on page 9 absent year but with MM/DD and on page 22,23,34 DD/MM/YYYY as part of the titles  which denotes that a) the date was not computer generated b) the researcher who processed page 7's graphics was from the US and that c) the documents writer was from the UK

    The rest of the document is FAR more interesting in tracing someone important flying around the world as well as giving both casual and anecdotal evidence of an event.

    NBC's article published the document source here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6884792-MACE-E-PAI-COVID-19-ANALYSIS-Redacted.html

    The NBC article was here: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/report-says-cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716

    I hope this clears matters up, or at least leaves them slightly less murky.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 11:55am

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    Plague of Corruption

    Dr. Martenson has once again outdid himself; no easy task at this point. In “Suspicions of Virus Manipulation Grow” he has proved himself tenacious, intellectually nimble and, most importantly at this juncture, unafraid of speaking truth to power. I will not needlessly repeat his many reasons for doubting the official narrative relating to the origin of SARS-COV-2; the video speaks for itself. I would just like to thank him for his efforts and add a few general thoughts.

     

    Many go into scientific fields because of a genuine fascination with the subject matter, the desire to be productive and, hopefully, to do some good. Unfortunately, as Dr. Mikovits makes clear in her recently published book, “Plague of Corruption – Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science,” the astronomical sums of money involved (think medicine/pharmacology, aeronautics/defense, big Ag, etc.) can turn the altruistic into the bought and paid for. COVID-19 has simply put these compromised individuals (most conspicuously virologists) under a bright light, and it is not a pretty sight. With the full help of the MSM corporate shills they will clearly do and say anything, no matter how patently ridiculous, to cover any and all tracks that may implicate them in the gain of function research that began on US soil at the Fort Detrick BSL4 several decades ago and has now blossomed into an international fiasco they can no longer control.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 11:56am

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    The origins of Nature Magazine

    Not so surprising historical context of Nature Magazine

    A few key excerpts:

    Throughout the 20th century Nature Magazine has won an ugly reputation as an enforcer of deductive/inductive models of thinking which have destroyed the careers and lives of many creative scientists.

    The British Empire knew that this emerging new paradigm would render both its maritime control of international trade as obsolete as its international program of usury and cash cropping.

    It was clear that something had to change dramatically, for if the empire could not adapt in response to this new paradigm, it surely would soon perish. The task of re-shaping imperial policy from a “material force” approach of control to a more “mental force” of control, was assigned to T. H. Huxley and the X Club. This group established the guiding scientific principles of empire that were soon put into practice by two new think tanks known as the Fabian Society and Rhodes Scholar Trust which I outlined in my 3-part series ‘Origins of the Deep State in North America’.

    Huxley, who is famously known as ‘Darwin’s bulldog’ for relentlessly promoting Darwin’s theory of Natural Selection (a theory in whose scientific merits he didn’t even believe) soon decided that the group should establish a magazine to promote their propaganda.

    Founded in 1869, the magazine was called Nature and featured articles by Huxley and several X Club members. The deeper purpose of the X Club and its magazine as outlined in a 2013 report entitled ‘Hideous Revolution: The X Club’s Malthusian Revolution in Science’, was geared towards the redefinition of all branches of science around a statistical-empiricist interpretation of the universe which denied the existence of creative reason in mankind or nature. Science was converted from the unbounded study and perfectibility of truth to a mathematically sealed “science of limits”.

    The science of “limits” became the foundation of an oligarchical economic science for the elite and naturally had to be kept hidden from the minds of the general population since it followed Thomas Malthus’ mathematical principle of population growth. Malthus’ “principle” of population supposed that unthinking humans reproduce geometrically while nature’s bounty only grows arithmetically and as such periodic population collapses were an unavoidable law of nature which could at best be managed by an oligarchical scientific priesthood who were obliged to periodically cull the herd.

    Malthus and the X Club leaders believed that nature bestowed upon the ruling class certain tools to accomplish this important task (namely war, famine and disease) and Malthus stated so cold-bloodedly in his 1799 Essay on Population:

    “We should facilitate, instead of foolishly and vainly endeavoring to impede, the operations of nature in producing this mortality; and if we dread the too frequent visitation of the horrid form of famine, we should sedulously encourage the other forms of destruction, which we compel nature to use. In our towns we should make the streets narrower, crowd more people into the houses, and court the return of the plague.”

    New insights that further illustrate the illusion that the world does not work the way most believe, and that human progress is stymied by those whose value systems have been corrupted.

    Jan

     

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 12:01pm

    DaveDD

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    Start a “garden”

    Hi all,

    In all honesty: I believe that “something is rotten in the state of Denmark”. I decided however not to enter that rabbit hole.

    It is good to make people aware as Chris does. I’m thankful for that.

    The gains are huge, and the chess pieces (= people with narcissistic, sociopathic or psychopatic traits), have positioned themselves strategically the last 20 years. Not in a conspiratory kind of way, but their characteristics were hughly beneficial and lauded (just pick a random book about successful people). Whole countries embraced sick and twisted narratives, even part of our education system is poisoned by it. Nationalism, neverending growth, unlimited exploitation of weaker countries, driven by hidden racism and tribalism, worship of money, luxery, sex, success, power, fame, the belief in false opposites.

    I like history. I’m pretty sure that in every moment in the last 5000 years or so, the people living, did not foresee, nor oversee, how their actions, their age, would be judged by “history”.  We consider ourselves modern, Enlightend, loose from our past, not part of a continuüm. But the great wars are only 2 to 3 generations away. Colonialism european style only 50 years or so.  Hundreds of Millions of people died due to human caused disasters. Medical experiments still happen, eugenetic programs (forced sterilization) ended in the eighties in some countries. The years changed, knowledge deepened, men did not.

    Maybe, in 1000 years, students of history will snicker when they read about our exploits. Shake their heads and wonder how we could not see coming what would befall us, and how stupid we were to not realize how simple the solution was. We have been given great scriptures containing deep truths, and we have inherited an earth with unmeasurable wealth and of incredible beauty, and we have been given friends and lovers and family, and each of us were endowed with very specific skills to do good. Maybe that is enough? Maybe that is our path? How could we not see that history is a rinse and repeat of the “Fall of man”, and that the only thing needed to fall gracefully, is to plant (a few) seeds of good, each to our ability and skillset: start a “garden”.

    just my 2 cents

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 12:03pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    Stirred up a hornet's nest of virologists

    Good lord, did this ever strike a nerve.  Among virologists, mainly US in origin.  Very odd.

    I made my case, and presented evidence.  They are certainly free to say, "I can see how you might think that, but here's the real story..." and then present their data.

    Not what's happening at all.  Instead we have emotional outbursts, ad hominem attacks, appeals to authority and all-around circling of the wagons.  At least over on Twitter.

    Methinks the Senator doth protest too loudly...

    Angie Rasmussen, who was recently on our podcast, really went out of her way to act aggrieved and make no use of the moment to provide some proper education.

    Instead, she posted a Forbes article describing it as an "excellent summary of the evidence."

    Okay - so I went and read it (which is more than any of the angry virologists did for my video)...

    It was quite literally a summary of assertions.  See for yourself:

    A Virologist Explains Why It Is Unlikely COVID-19 Escaped From A Lab

    Dr. Jason Kindrachuk is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Medical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases at the University of Manitoba.

    Nearly five months into the first coronavirus pandemic, the debate rages on over the source of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. An early cluster of cases, linked to an animal market in Wuhan, initially suggested that humans had been infected by animals. Due to the nature of wet markets, it appeared that animals held in close proximity to each other may have provided a unique opportunity for the virus to jump from species to species (as happened with SARS).

    But a growing number of conspiracy theories have emerged through misinformation campaigns, from blaming a nefarious bioengineered virus to the emergence of 5G as the cause of COVID-19.

    *sigh*  The first refuge of the intellectually weak is to label an uncomfortable line of questioning a "conspiracy theory."  So that's a big strike against Jason K here.  Poor style.  Low points...

    These theories, however, aren’t borne out by the evidence. The most likely origin, supported by the vast majority of scientists around the world, doesn’t involve cell towers or mad scientists or even wild animal markets.

    In fact, it is quite simple: the virus likely came from bats.

    Okay, that's not evidence.  That's an assertion.  Big difference. Again, low points.  But he's just getting started, so maybe he gets going later on?

    Recent technological advancements like deep sequencing have been used to detect and sequence the virus that causes COVID-19, as well as other viruses acquired from bat samples in the field. These investigations have provided detailed information regarding the diversity of viruses found within bats as well as their evolutionary history. Indeed, bats are the likely reservoir for SARS-CoV-2 given the similarity of the virus to bat SARS-CoV-like coronaviruses.

    Ah - here he defers to sequence similarity as the definitive evidence for a natural host.  Okay then. Let's use known sequences.

    When we do, we discover that - hands down! - the all-important receptor binding domain (RBD) came from a pangolin, not a bat.

    It's not even a contest.  The pangolin/1 has 5 out of 5 all-important RBD contact amino acids (AAs - red boxes) in common with the pangolin, and 8 out of 9 adjacent AAs (yellow boxes).   It's closest 'bat relative' - RaTG13 only scores 1/5 for RBD contact, and 4/9 adjacent AAs.   The other bat  coronaviruses and SARS-classic are far worse.

    If you weren't blinkered by the necessity of this having "come from bats" the evidence would clearly tilt you towards pangolins being the source of the RBD.  At least in all other moments in virology the closest match is the place you look.  Just not this time, I guess?  Now Jason K is certain that bats are the source?  Weird.  Very weird.

    Then Jason K gets super weak in his arguments:

    How do we know the virus didn’t escape from a lab?

    While there is growing consensus and scientific evidence that SARS-CoV-2 originated in bats, there is a growing chorus of questions regarding the nature of spillover into humans. A recent report raised the specter of a laboratory escape of the virus based on US State Department cables from 2018. At the time, the department raised safety concerns regarding the Wuhan Institute for Virology, a high-containment laboratory.

    Indeed, accidental laboratory exposures and escapes have occurred in the past, including the influenza virus and SARS-CoV.

    However, this week the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff echoed that the weight of evidence continued to suggest natural rather than accidental emergence for SARS-CoV-2. There has been no other science supporting the escape theory.

    Research continues to point to identifying the reservoir host and potential intermediate host(s) for SARS-CoV-2 as this remains the most plausible explanation for emergence of the virus.

    Uh...  Wut?  Since when is the Joint Chiefs of Staff your go-to source for evidence of viral origins?  Wouldn't that be both out of their wheelhouse as well as possibly slanted to whatever geopolitical realities are cooking behind the scenes?  Is it reasonable to expect that the Joint Chiefs of Staff would not have higher priorities than being 100% transparent with militarily explosive information?

    Given that, it's a very strange appeal-to-authority for me.  Strange enough for me to ask "is that all you've got?"

    The article doesn't get any better or offer up any other "facts" or evidence.  It's a string of assertions.  So it's odd that Dr Rasmussen thought that was the best counter to the lab-origin theory.

    At any rate, that's what's been going on all morning for me...I am literally shaking my head at the degree of obfuscation and illogical arguments being proffered.

     

     

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 12:23pm

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    Mburns

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    Vitamin D

    Can someone point me to how much Vit D a person should be taking per day? More importantly how much is too much per day. Not seeking medical advice. Just want to read some accurate information vit D.  Also, little skeptical of sites that tell me the RDA is good enough.

    Thanks in advance.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 12:24pm

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    This is a category 3 pandemic....IFR of .75%

    So after extensive research and tracking, its looking like Covid 19 has an IFR of .5 to 1 percent, take an average of .75

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.03.20089854v1

    NYPD has 5300 confirmed cases, 41 dead, IFR .77 percent.

    On the CDC scale, this is a solid category 3 pandemic.

    https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2008/04/going-where-no-pan-has-gone-before.html?m=0

    Based on this important data, its safe to say we can start reducing lockdowns. Many serological studies have the IFR less than .5 percent making this a category 2 pandemic. To play it safe a category 3 is a good call.

    This is a BIG REASON why you have so many doubters. Based off what happened in China and the bad news out of Italy, people were expecting a horrific cat 5 storm. People were literally expecting to see people dropping dead in the streets. That didnt happen because it was discovered that5 true IFR of covid is less than the widely reported 3 percent case fatality rate. So when peoples expectations weren't met, they cried foul. Why you taking away my job and my livelihood! Makes perfect sense. Extreme measures need to be justified by extreme situations. Covid 19 is not an extreme situation. Its a bad one for sure as a .7 percent IFR can lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. But it aint no 2 percent and that makes a HUGE difference here.

     

    Thoughts?

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 12:35pm

    DaveDD

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    Re: suspicion grow

    This is indeed surprising, however, it might be best to find out when it was submitted: March 5th was the first upload to BioRxiv.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.02.974139v1.article-info

    Take care!

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 12:46pm

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    See my post on Luc Montagnier and Jean Claude Perez

    https://osf.io/d9e5g   Download button is on the right.

    Luc thinks the Chinese were working on a Vaccine for HIV.  He shows how a small area of the SARSCoV-2 has other homologies side by side!  The interesting factoid is that a small area ~ 2.7% has the most diverse material.  Worth the read.

    Partially synthetic genome:

    1.Contiguous region represents 2.49% of whole COVID-19, genome is 40.99% made up of 12 diverse Exogeneous  Informative Elements (EIE) fragments originating from various strains of HIV SIV retroviruses.

    2. 12 EIEs appear concentrated, that is to say placed side by side in the genome of COVID-19,  despite natures, strains, and years of emergence being all different.

    Retroviral part of regions:  8 motifs from various strains HIV1, HIV2 and SIV,

    Length of 275 contiguous bases of COVID-19.

    Notes on the Conclusions

    ->Exogeneous  Informative Elements "EIE" HIV / SIV (about 20 EIE) are present in COVID-19 + partly in SARS.

    ->A small region of 225 bases Radically distinguishes  COVID-19 from all SARS genomes, ->4 EIEs, a fragment coming from a nonfunctional 2008 KENYA HIV1 genome which we know was used in a vaccine strategy HIV.

    Cumulative length of 8 HIV SIV motifs represents 200 bases.

    HIV SIV density rate of this region of COVID-19 is 200/275 = 72.73%."

    1 – High density of HIV SIV regions are diverse in nature + age:  concentration of 12 significant HIV SIV sequences in only 744 bp.

    2 – Concentrations of HIV SIV regions « placed » in sequence and « side by side ».

    4 – Invariability study of the 2 regions "A" and "B" for all COVID-19 available on NCBI.

    5 - Evidence of the absence of 4 HIV1 HIV2 « EIE » from COVID-19 within SARS-2005 +MERS

    6 - HIV1 +HIV2 sequences in this region + compaction in 225bp portion of both COVID-19 + Bat coronavirus RaTG13 genomes.

    7 - Multiple traces of Plasmodium falciparum and Plasmodium vinckei (Democratic Republic of the Congo +Nigeria)

    8- HIV1 Kenya 2008 (used in a vaccine strategy HIV.) absent from all coronaviruses BUT COVID-19 + RaTG13.

    9- First mutations from Seattle in the 225b, « A » and « B » regions.  Deletions would be associated with a decrease in the pathogenicity of the virus

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 12:46pm

    DaveDD

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    Re: Thoughts?

    Yep: “thou shalt not compare IFR and CFR”.

    A IFR of 0.77 is ~ 40 times deadlier than a deadly flu.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 1:16pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Fatality rates

    There is an obvious and reasonable large focus on fatality. So far from what I can glean that is not the entire story. The obvious comparison is to the flu. That seems somewhat facile and incomplete.

    As far as we know SC2 does serious damage to virtually all internal organs. The flu does not. I am not aware of the flu doing permanent damage. SC2 has been shown to cause fibrosis in the lungs.

    We are far too early in the game to know what the long term effects will be. It is clear that this type of discussion is due to the economy. It should be noted that countries that have relaxed restrictions are now seeing an increase in cases. It is not an easy call as there is suffering on either side of the coin, but fatality rates are just one part of the equation.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 1:39pm

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    Vitamin D

    I take 4000 IU daily.  Dr. Seheult takes 2500 IU daily.  In the attached video, he mentions that knowing how much to take is complicated and to really calibrate you need to get your blood tested after taking a stable amount for a few weeks.  It's different than, say, Vitamin C because it is fat soluble and your levels don't respond immediately to a dose.  Best regards, Jim

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2A2xNLWR4   

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 1:40pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Mburns

    I am going to give you the best and cheapest medical advice you will ever get. It won't cost you one penny.

    There is no one size fits all for supplements. If you are not at risk for skin cancer at least 3 days of exposure to the sun on your arms and face for 15 minutes a day is sufficient for most caucasians. Cheap right?

    The only way to know how much supplementation you might require (or dietary adjustment) is with a blood test. Vit D is a serious molecule. It not only functions as a vitamin it also functions as a hormone. Hormones rule the universe. The release of one hormone or the excess or deficiency of one triggers a cascade of effects in the endocrine system.

    The only medical advice I suggest you get (and you are asking a medical question) is from a medical professional. So my guidance which I have posted a number of times is to get a Spectracell analysis https://www.spectracell.com/micronutrient-test-panel.

    When you get the results go over them with a medical professional preferably a functional medical practitioner. (you will need a medical person anyway to draw the blood). This will give you a baseline of your micronutrient levels. From there you can adjust diet and supplementation to bring your levels into balance. Then get retested 6 months to a year to see how you are doing. Most insurance will pay for at least part of the test.

    Good luck and again there is no charge and my guidance is worth every penny.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 1:46pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    David Kendrick

    Yeah thanks I read the NBC article but not the document.

    I would like to know the source. I would also like to know if our intelligence (using the term loosely) community has looked at this. As I stated if this is verifiable then it certainly would raise some eyebrows.

    I guess I could go to those sites to look up the data myself but I am not inclined to tech.

    Thanks for the info.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 1:52pm

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    Reply to DaveDD

    I never once compared the IFR of Covid to CFR of the flu. Besides, IFR of flu is something like .06 apparently.  But I was always under the impression that US Flu stats are wildly overinflated. To date, the only person that I think maaaybe died of the flu was my 94 year old bedridden grandma that died of pnuemonia. I dont know a single other person that has died of the flu, nor have I even heard from a second party "oh geez that poor cop died of the flu"

    I know covid is a serious problem. A 0.7% IFR has the potential to kill and sicken a crap ton of people. I'm just glad that it "only" came in at that number. For my age group, its even less, probably .1

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 1:53pm

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    We appreciate your perceptiveness and clarity, Chris

    I appreciate your intelligence, and that you say what you see.  And that you have a strong enough sense of self to hold your own viewpoint despite flak.

    • Noting assertions that are not facts.
    • Noting appeals to authority.
    • Noting attempts to trigger the social ostracism threat ("if you think that then you are a nut")
    • And reading the work of renegade virologists with non-standard view and bringing them to your podcasts.

    Without educators willing to see and say unpopular things, we are lost.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 1:56pm

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    Supplement questions

    My go to resource for diet and supplement questions is "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" by Phyllis A Balch

    She covers  virtually everything from water, vitamins, conditions, enzymes, minerals to food and herbs.

    I have used it for decades.

    I also recommend the work of Datis Kharrazian https://kharrazianinstitute.com/

    He uses non pharmaceutical approaches to a number of issues.

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 2:02pm

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    "Tendons notre jardin". Candide.

    I was relieved and even gratified when Chris started saying "plant a garden". I had already started a container garden in my front yard, and was wondering if it was an overreaction. Being a "green industry" type for most of the past 30 years, growing something to eat is my natural response to significant social and economic uncertainties. Almost a reflexive thing. (And if, somehow, the economy survives this, I can plant ornamental shrubs and trees in those same containers and sell them.)

    Winter rains were keeping me home when I decided to look into the disturbing news out of Wuhan in early February. After a day or two of mulling things over, I told my partner, MJ, "the world has changed forever". And air travel continued unabated as more horror stories oozed out of China (Epoch Times and Zooming In with Simone Gao were my early sources). The "math" was simple. It will be here. It's a novel virus, so no one has any immunity. Jet-setters will bring it and wage earners will spread it. Americans will not put up with the sort of lockdown the Chinese have to comply with. Thus, we will get smashed by this bug (unless, maybe, those American flags the protesters were waving actually have anti-viral properties?)

    The global train wreck has been playing out in slow motion for maybe seven months now, and the developments keep rolling in. It's become a strange world.

    With few cases in my area, people are not all that keen to stay at home and miss work. So restaurants are opening with no social distancing. Few people wear masks. The certainty of increased infections all around me is unsettling.

    And on the economic front--whoa. It seems that, instead of a world-beating juggernaut of an economy, we have a stunned and staggering, lumbering giant who's been gut-shot and doesn't yet realize he's dead where he stands.

    There's so much to keep up with, so much to consider and fret about, that psychological stress can take a toll.

    Chris is right to encourage people to get to work in their gardens as a means of allaying some of that stress while hedging against food shortages. It makes sense. It gives a productive focus for one's concerns.

    I am reminded of the last sentence of Voltaire's "Candide". When Pangloss was waxing philosophic (again) about things far beyond his or anyone's ability to control or mollify, Candide said, simply, "Tendons notre jardin".

    "Let's tend our garden" while this train wreck plays out.

    "Candide" is a great read. And Candide's advice is absolutely on target today.

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 2:19pm

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    Gain of Function Research Funding Pause

    Chris,

    Sorry to hear you are being attacked personally, but I am not surprised. As to “the degree of obfuscation and illogical arguments being proffered,” I am also not surprised. Think about the implications for US scientists who were involved in Gain-of-Function (GOF) experimentation with SARS-COV-1 and other viruses if COVID-19 is in any way linked back to their labs from Wuhan Institute of Virology or elsewhere? The research and funding links are in the public record, but that does not discount the efficacy of repeating the “natural origin” lie over and over and over again until it is a prima facie fact that serves the interests of those involved.

    It is worth remembering that NIH funding for this research was halted in October of 2014 by none other than the current Director of the NIH Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/statement-funding-pause-certain-types-gain-function-research, only to be lifted by the same individual in December of 2017 https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-lifts-funding-pause-gain-function-research.

    At the time of the original pause in funding Dr. Collins stated,

    “…the U.S. government will undertake a deliberative process to assess the risks and benefits of certain gain-of-function (GOF) experiments with influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses in order to develop a new Federal policy regarding the funding of this research. During this deliberative process, U.S. government agencies will institute a pause on the funding of any new studies involving these experiments. For purposes of the deliberative process and this funding pause, “GOF studies” refers to scientific research that increases the ability of any of these infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility among mammals by respiratory droplets.”

    Does any of the above sound familiar?

    I truly believe you are doing a remarkable service to all of mankind by employing your inspiring work ethic and intelligence in this quest for truth about the origins of SARS-COV-2. We can only hope you will inspire a few influential people in the process.

    Thank you very much.

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 3:04pm

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    David Kendrick said:

    The British Empire only existed from 1877 until 1948 - anything before 1848 until 1601 was the East India Company which was a corporation completely out of control in every sense of the word, it had to go bankrupt before it could be nationalised and reigned in thereby all the territory it had acquired became the crowns. Britain's wealth AKA power was not trade nor banking nor territory, these monika's belonged to all the other empires, Britain's was in mass production of the high technology goods of the time as the source of the industrial revolution.

    Queen Victoria was proclaimed empress of INDIA after an 1876 Conservative bill enacted in 1877, the Monarch was already ruler of India(raj) from 1848, there was never a creation of the British Empire. It was a MSM moniker to get taxpayer funding for all those interventions needed to keep control of an Empire in name only, which was effectively a melange of self governing colonies with the odd territory & subservient Iron age monarchy.

    Remember the US war of Independence stripped the UK of every territory it had other than Newfoundland. Not much of an empire.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 4:02pm

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    Bam...

    Damn Chris, you brought your A game today!!! I was into your words from the get go, it was easy to hear you had something to say today!!! Love this shit!!! Just drop the Mic and walk away! You slammed it home. Proud of you Brother. I have one point: If Fauci's department paid to have their work done at Wuhan then it had to conclude the work and give him his money's worth, correct? Then why hasn't Fauci commented that he was involved with this Virus a lot sooner than we knew about it? Why hasn't he owned this more than he has? Am I missing something? Something smells and I would like to know just what Fauci knows? When.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 4:07pm

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    Re: reply to davedd

    Hi George,

    Do not take it personally. The CDC scale you linked to uses CFR. The estimated CFR of Covid-19 is ~7%, making it a category 5 pandemic, the worst kind that is. And as Mohammed Mast indicated, if we factor in the damage that it does to survivors it is potentially worse than that (Although it has been hypothesized that a lot of cardiovascular deaths in the sixties were caused by the Spanish flu! (Source)).

    Take care!

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 4:22pm

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    Hope Chris addresses this paper promptly

    This could add credence to the 'from nature' argument.

    Needs careful looking at. It could be 'straight down the line'...

    If it isn't, given it looks like even the President and Vice President have abruptly gone quiet on the 'from a lab' angle, I'd suggest it's going to be very hard for any 'You-Tuber',  no matter how thorough, to persuade vested interests not to continue obfuscating on this.

    If it is, it makes it closer to a 50-50 bet nature - lab manipulated. I'd guess at least making it close enough to muddy the waters on the whole thing.

    We just may never know.

    Frustrating for sure.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 4:58pm

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    Kat43 said:

    The starting point is knowing what your D level is.  The best D will come from exposure to direct sun.  Don't let yourself burn, but get as much sun over as much of your body as possible as often as possible.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 5:41pm

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    Lab creation or wet market

    Seems to my ear that when Dr. Martensen mentions anything which may refute his argument re lab creation of Covid19, his tone is humorous at best and dismissive at worst.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 5:58pm

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    Zoom meeting Sunday 7:00 PM Eastern Time: to discuss farming during collapse/wartime

    At least two of us will have a zoom meeting to discuss interesting issues that Urbanplanner and others helpfully brought up regarding farming under new conditions expected.
    Please join us if you can with the link below.

    Topic: farming after the collapse, (and maybe amateur radio digital communications)
    Time: May 17, 2020 07:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

    Join Zoom Meeting
    https://us04web.zoom.us/j/75561502844?pwd=UEw0L2MwZFIzTVNqWlJnZjFFNFExdz09

    Meeting ID: 755 6150 2844
    Password: 006589

    best regards

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 7:08pm

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    Debunking the Narrative - Irish Expert Scientist

    This is a must watch, she has an amazing professional background and a lot to say. HCQ, Lockdown, Vit D, C, Zinc, Vaccine unlikely and not really needed.

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 7:30pm

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    Gail Tverberg weighs in with a new article

    Understanding Our Pandemic – Economy Predicament

    We don’t know for certain whether there was an accident that caused the release of one of these gain of function viruses in Wuhan. We do know, however, that China has been doing a lot of cover-up activity to deter others from finding out what actually happened in Wuhan.

    We also know that Dr. Fauci, a well-known COVID-19 advisor, had his hand in this Chinese research activity. Fauci’s organization, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, provided partial funding for the gain of function experiments on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan. While the intent of the experiments seems to have been for the good of mankind, it would seem that Dr. Fauci’s judgment erred in the direction of allowing too much risk for the world’s population.

    [7] We are probably kidding ourselves about ever being able to contain the virus that causes COVID-19. 

    We are gradually learning that the virus causing COVID-19 is easily spread, even by people who do not show any symptoms of the disease. The virus can spread long distances through the air. Tests to see if people are ill tend to produce a lot of false negatives; because of this, it is close to impossible to know whether a particular person has the illness or not.

    China is finding that it cannot really contain the virus that causes COVID-19. A recent South China Morning Post article indicates that roughly 14 million people are to be tested in the Wuhan area in the next ten days to try to control a new outbreak of the virus.

    [9] A person wonders whether Dr. Fauci and members of the World Health Organization are influenced by the wishes of vaccine and big pharmaceutical companies.

    The recommendation to try to “flatten the curve” is, in part, an attempt to give vaccine and pharmaceutical makers more time to work on their products. Is this really the best recommendation? Perhaps I am being overly suspicious, but we recently have been dealing with an opioid epidemic which was encouraged by manufacturers of Oxycontin and other opioids. We don’t need another similar experience, this time sponsored by vaccine and other pharmaceutical makers.

    She has more interesting observations, as always.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 7:49pm

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    Was SARS-COV-2 a lab research accident?

    There are now close to eighty “biosafety level-four” sites in operation (or planned) in the world that are built to research dangerous diseases that lack a cure or a vaccine. We in the US have over a dozen. China has two, with one in Wuhan, and with plans to build many more over the next five years. If working with pathogens is dangerous, modifying these pathogens with the purpose of making these diseases more dangerous (e.g., at spreading between humans, at making them more resistant to antibiotics, etc.) is insanity. That is what our friends in China (at the Wuhan lab) were engaging in. They were modifying / experimenting with the coronavirus using gain-of-function technology.

    So the question is, was SARS-COV-2 a lab research accident?  Was it an accidental leak of virus material from a laboratory or an accidental infection of a human in the course of work in the lab?  Clearly Bio lab accidents happen.  For example, in 1978 the world’s last known case of smallpox was caused by a leak from a British laboratory.  In 2004, SARS slipped out of a lab in Beijing not once but twice. In 2007, a sample of the “foot-and-mouth” disease escaped from a research institute.  And let’s be honest we in the US have had our share of accidents. During the period from 2000-2009, the U.S. suffered over 30 laboratory-acquired infections, resulting in four deaths. American labs have accidentally shipped live anthrax, bird flu and Ebola to lower-security facilities in recent years. Clearly leaks from laboratories, including bsl-4 labs, are not unheard of. So it is possible (and maybe likely) that SARS-COV-2 was a Wuhan lab research accident. There is nothing wrong with the proposition that this could have happened.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 7:55pm

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    Will This Go Wrong Badly?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8313915/Michigan-Gov-says-protester-holding-firearm-arrested-stay-home-protest.html

    Michigan governor Whitmer, having had recent assassination threats, has said tomorrow's protesters maybe arrested if carrying a gun and acting in a threatening manner.

    What happens if someone shoots? Given the situation, you won't be able to tell if law enforcement or protesters do it. If protesters appear to have fired first, expect that police will make this another Kent State. While law enforcement might support Trump, none of them wants to be out where civilians have an ok to shoot at cops. They will fire back.

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 8:05pm

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    Sunshine said:

    The level of ignorance I’ve encountered while sharing your information is insane. I never thought to see the general masses with such big blinders on. Anyways Chris, I presented this link in a discussion, and someone presented to me a new study on a virus called RmYN02, claiming sars-cov-2 originated naturally due to the findings in this new virus.

    Summary of study below and link

     

    The unprecedented pandemic of pneumonia caused by a novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, in China and beyond has had major public health impacts on a global scale [1,2]. Although bats are regarded as the most likely natural hosts for SARS-CoV-2 [3], the origins of the virus remain unclear. Here, we report a novel bat-derived coronavirus, denoted RmYN02, identified from a metagenomics analysis of samples from 227 bats collected from Yunnan Province in China between May and October, 2019. Notably, RmYN02 shares 93.3% nucleotide identity with SARS-CoV-2 at the scale of the complete virus genome and 97.2% identity in the 1ab gene, in which it is the closest relative of SARS-CoV-2 reported to date. In contrast, RmYN02 showed low sequence identity (61.3%) to SARS-CoV-2 in the receptor binding domain (RBD) and might not bind to angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2). Critically, and in a similar manner to SARS-CoV-2, RmYN02 was characterized by the insertion of multiple amino acids at the junction site of the S1 and S2 subunits of the spike (S) protein. This provides strong evidence that such insertion events can occur naturally in animal betacoronaviruses.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098222030662X

     

    would love to hear back or see this broken down in one of your videos  I’m having some personal doubts but I’m not able to perceive the data as.. efficient.
    Lol, keep up the great work Chris, thank you for my peace of mind!

    Garrett Sunshine

     

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 8:14pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Perhaps

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 8:36pm

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    Island girl said:

    Logical fallacies are all they can resort to, Chris.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 8:49pm

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    Island girl said:

    As the Nobel prize- winning discoverer of HIV, he should know a thing or two about simian (SIV) and human (HIV) sequences, non?

    BTW, I remember well from my days in the lab in the 1980s the controversy between Dr. Montagnier and Drs. Gallo and Fauci regarding who was first to discover the virus.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 8:53pm

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    Island girl said:

    Thanks for reposting the spectracell analysis. Now to covince my practitioner to order it.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 9:12pm

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    The narrative

    Chris is all about truth.  TPTB are all about the narrative.

    In this day in age TPTB are determined to have complete control of the narrative.  Control is not possible without the narrative.  It’s everywhere....increasing widespread social media censorship on many platforms:  YouTube (if medical info isn’t inline with the WHO content gets deleted????.....WTF!!), Twitter, Facebook, etc., coordinated news stories distributed to multiple news outlets and they are “reported on” with the same buzz words & slants, etc., etc.  There is a tremendous amount of programming and outright propaganda going on 24/7.

    The origins of CV-19 has potential to dramatically change the world chessboard in many different ways.

    Controlling the narrative allows for maximum negotiation leverage as many manipulated outcomes can be on the table, and a particular narrative can then be delivered for maximal gain.  Various entities have their own motives for different narratives.  Some guy on YouTube is not the one various entities want nailing down more & more factual knowledge which narrows down the “truth”, and thus the narrative.  I predict there will be an ongoing bombardment of dismissive “conspiracy theory” attacks (or the like) on Chris & PP.  The problem with Chris’s arguments is that they don’t fit nicely into a 20 second sound bite for the average citizen.  The massive narrative machine does a great job at crushing unwanted narratives.  And, the educational system veered away from critical thinking long ago.

    Chris, Adam, and all the folks contributing to the outstanding content at PP are literally heroes in my book.  You have no idea how appreciated you are.

     

     

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 10:41pm

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    Reduced rights

    Meanwhile, in New Zealand, a bill has been passed that allows police to enter anyone's home without a warrant under the guise of 'keeping us safe from Covid-19'.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12331547&fbclid=IwAR3QLwWpmbibyo9Br7RnipxQA_0XrmsV4NxBMgE2RiQ-bdAF1dNiqT_b5Hc

    In South Africa, even more crazy advice around what one can wear.  You can't wear cropped trousers unless you are also wearing leggings and boots, and one cannot buy a t-shirt unless it is promoted and displayed as an undergarment.  Clearly there is something about this virus we don't understand - it can enter through your face holes AND through an open trouser leg.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 11:03pm

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    Reconstruction of the 1918 Influenza Pandemic Virus

    Thanks Chris! That was great, exactly what I wished for 🙂

    Hearing you talk about engineering viruses and what not reminded me that we've actually recreated, from random fragments, the virus that caused the Spanish flu:

    CDC researchers and their colleagues successfully reconstructed the influenza virus that caused the 1918-19 flu pandemic, which killed as many as 50 million people worldwide. A report of their work, “Characterization of the Reconstructed 1918 Spanish Influenza Pandemic Virusexternal icon,” was published in the October 7, 2005 issue of Science. The work was a collaboration among scientists from CDC, Mount Sinai School of Medicineexternal icon, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, and Southeast Poultry Research Laboratoryexternal icon. The following questions and answers describe this important research and related issues.

    Note: For a detailed historical summary of this work, including how it was conducted, the people involved, and the lessons learned from it, see The Deadliest Flu: The Complete Story of the Discovery and Reconstruction of the 1918 Pandemic Virus.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/1918flupandemic.htm

    That was in 2005, so, yeah, interesting.

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 11:13pm

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    Dolores Cahill

    Hi Raingarden,

    Very interesting and encouraging. At first I couldn’t find the right spelling of her name. Anyway. Glad to hear that we are on the right track wrt immune support.

    The only trouble that I have is with here claims about lifelong immunity, existing high degree of immunity, and the claim that childeren cannot infect adults. Again, I hope she is right, but what is the basis of these assertions? If her statements are based on data, these must be made public and spread. Does anyone here knows someone who is connected to her?

    Great post!

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  • Wed, May 13, 2020 - 11:55pm

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    Lung fibrosis

    From the Wikipedia section on fibrosis generation in lung tissue caused by silica dust:

    "When fine particles of crystalline silica dust are deposited in the lungs, macrophages that ingest the dust particles will set off an inflammatory response by releasing tumor necrosis factors, interleukin-1, leukotriene B4 and other cytokines. In turn, these stimulate fibroblasts to proliferate and produce collagen around the silica particle, thus resulting in fibrosis and the formation of the nodular lesions."

    Unfortunately the fibrosis is permanent.  This could be an outlook for COVID-19 survivors who have not already succumbed to a cytokine storm.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 1:09am

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    Dr John Campbell on his recommended Vitamin D Dose

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bga_qG30JyY&feature=youtu.be

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 1:15am

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    Here, here!!!

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 1:23am

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    Revenge is Sweet.

    The natural argument goes along the line that nature required a short lived near extinct  malaysian pangolin to be pooped on by a lost Chinese bat which was so enraged at its SARS infection from Bat poop it crossed the Pacific to N/E China climbed a bat cave wall to sneeze on sleeping bats in revenge, at which point the infected bats decided to make bat poop SARS deposits for no particular reason on a Chinese city 600 miles away from where they live and nowhere else just for the sake of it, which infected against all the odds of Zootropic transmission - some lab workers at the Wuhan institute of Virology.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 1:51am

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    David Kendrick said:

    China had 2 Level 4 labs in Wuhan, the least known was the Wuhan institute of Virology which was PLA linked, the National Bio-safety Laboratory was the first to receive national Level 4 accreditation in 2017 (https://www.nature.com/news/polopoly_fs/1.21487!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/nature.2017.21487.pdf?origin=ppub) the  Wuhan institute of Virology was handling SARS bat samples without that accreditation from at least 2013 with minimal PPE in the wild and was the lab to discover Bats on demand vitamin C production in skin, digestive tract as part of its immune system. The US condemned the Wuhan institute of virology's work practices on a visit in 2018.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 3:21am

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    Mauriet said:

    Take a look at the latest "evidence" video of Dr. John Campbell.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 6:31am

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    Steve

    Steve it is cytokine not cytochrome

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 6:45am

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    Fauci made a bad decision...

    Essentially what Fauci approved by his funding of the Virus so that this Virus has ease of entry into the human body was necessary so the scientific community could make counter measures to fight a Pandemic the likes we have seldom witnessed. Hey Fauci, how do you like it now when trying to fight Mother Nature and she surprises you? It could be argued it was you who brought this on the world and you don't have the balls to own this, even a little bit. Like during the invention of the Atomic Bomb scientist argued against the bomb. With this research many scientist wanted your research to stop, more than 200 requested they stop this research and anything like it because their fear was the virus would escape the lab. Is this what happened? Your damn right it is and I'm a house painter and I would never have decided the risk was worth it!  To what end was it done? Military, science (really?). Ego?!!! Why! Because it has already killed or will kill many more people than the bombs did and we are no closer to a vaccine of which Fauci felt would be useful is even on the drawing board. Maybe a year, two...? To conclude, I think any answer would have to be called out as Bullshit, total Bullshit. No one has the right to make these decisions for all of us. Especially when the real reason to even do this research is first as a Biological Weapon and then to show we can control it with a Vaccine. This Virus has in two months put us in a Depression, has ruined a worlds way of life and no excuse can be formed to think this was EVER an acceptable risk. I'm pissed, especially because Fauci hasn't come clean and is only covering his ass on this. I just don't understand taking this virus which in its natural state has a hard time entering the human body yet your goal is to treat those that you engineered to enter the human body more easily so you can possibly kill it! This is just so weird to me. Leave the natural order of things alone and learn to make vaccines from these Viruses without allowing them to escape and brutalize the world in the process. Folks, I'm sorry but Fauci needs to really access his initial beliefs, his biases and answer for all of this now seeing as everyone who suggested caution are right and Fauci is wrong. We don't understand enough to have even attempted this let alone allow these labs to be doing (Mad) science still today. I always had scientists in high regard, just like the Doctor's creed of "Do NO Harm". Nothing is left to believe in if science is going to bullshit us too. Peace

     

     

    Newsweek Article

    partial text

     

    "More than 200 scientists called for the work to be halted. The problem, they said, is that it increased the likelihood that a pandemic would occur through a laboratory accident.

    China Suggests U.S. Is 'Hiding Something' About Its Coronavirus Response

    READ MORE

    Dr. Fauci defended the work. "[D]etermining the molecular Achilles' heel of these viruses can allow scientists to identify novel antiviral drug targets that could be used to prevent infection in those at risk or to better treat those who become infected," wrote Fauci and two co-authors in the Washington Post on December 30, 2011. "Decades of experience tells us that disseminating information gained through biomedical research to legitimate scientists and health officials provides a critical foundation for generating appropriate countermeasures and, ultimately, protecting the public health."

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 6:46am

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    Thanks, Mohammed

    Where did cytochrome come from?  What?!!!

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 6:46am

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    Generally flack

    means you got over target.

    Over what target? and how so wide spread among the virologist? don't know, nothing seems to add up yet.  However, it does seem to have some commonality with (my opinion) mostly make believe narratives, that any  decent must be shouted down; lest some murmur of doubt unravel the story.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 7:12am

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    Symptoms that the Lockdown is affecting the young

    Connor paid us a visit this past weekend - never mentioned about releasing a video - much less about the name change!

    Looks like he needs help with proper mask wearing protocol.

    praying he gets somewhat back to normal soon...

     

     

     

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 7:40am

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    Interesting off topic article on remdesivir - cat FIP

    Here's an interesting article about the ins and outs of drug approval. Seems that Gilead's remdesivir can cure feline infectious peritonitis (FIP) but the company won't license it for animal use.

    Now there is a big black market out of China to supply it to animal lovers.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/05/remdesivir-cats/611341/

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 7:55am

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    What does it matter what "tone" Chris takes??

    Hi David429:

    Why is it relevant what "tone" Chris takes when he discusses the evidence for or against different viewpoints. It is the evidence that he is examining that matters...and that is the only thing that should matter to you.

    For myself, I could care less what tone Chris uses: sarcastic, dismissive, amused or mono. I appreciate his pursuit of facts.  Only facts matter.

    Bruce

    (BTW, Chris's last name is spelled "Martenson")

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 8:32am

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    Re: Chris Martenson's tone

    I agree with Dr. Bruce.  Did you register today for the express purpose of posting your criticism and nothing else?

    Personally, I love Dr. Chris' videos and wouldn't miss one.  Not only does he present intelligent research and analysis, but he is a very engaging speaker who is able to explain complex concepts in an understandable way, for those of us who are not scientists.

    I imagine Dr. Chris' 'tone' may express incredulity at the fact that various virologists and others are making statements that they should know are not supported by current evidence, but the general public does not.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 8:40am

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    Article from Ron Paul re scientists lying

    I am not sure if this has already been posted somewhere. It further highlights the scientific credibility issues we are discussing at PP.

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/may/11/covid-19-puts-spotlight-on-science-but-scientists-often-lie/

    I thought this part rather rich, given Chris's recent dissection and discrediting of a Stanford published paper:

    “Stanford researchers uncover patterns in how scientists lie about their data,” wrote Stanford News, back in late 2015.

    The story went on to report how a couple of researchers “cracked the writing patterns of scientists who attempt to pass along falsified data,” a finding that gave the science world a tool to “identify falsified research before it is published.” The discovery of the pattern is one thing; the fact that the pattern had to be pursued in the first place is entirely another thing. It says, not so subtly, that falsified scientific data is so prevalent that a tool to identify — and slow the creep of — the false data was actually an in-demand item.

    I also liked the part about only being human. I think that many scientists and physicians, like many who enter politics, often start out with the best of intentions of wanting to 'do good'. After a while, the realization sets in that there are games to be played and agendas to be followed, and if you do not follow them, your career, and all that goes with that, stagnates & languishes. Your success or lack thereof starts to depend on whether or not you will be a game player. I surmise for many there are  tentative, incremental steps taken over the critical line in the sand that represents ethics and integrity. Why not - everyone else is doing it! It is easy to see happen given that we live in a society that has evolved to embrace monetary worth as the ultimate measure of success and social standing. Until that core value changes, and until scientific research is freed from the biased, vested interests of big pharma, big oil, big ag, and all the other 'big' entities that exist within the crony capitalist system, nothing will change.

    This is why it is so important to research, review and find the data to expose the nefariousness; and to speak up and speak out. The desperate changes we need to see will not come otherwise.

    As the saying goes, 'for evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing.' Doing nothing got us into this mess. It sure as heck is not going to get us out of it!

    Jan

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 8:41am

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    I’m listening to the whistleblower congressional hearing..

    In regards to Dr. Bright’s dismissive views on HCQ the congressman asked something to the effect why is there such a high concern of possible cardiac arrhythmias when those arrhythmias aren’t so important if the heart isn’t beating?  This whistleblower has not supplied any type of substantive information which is helpful in any way.  All he is saying is that the government’s initial response should have been better.....which we all know.  He dismissed all the info on HCQ as being ALL anecdotal.  He dismissed all the frontline physicians use of HCQ.  He has not provided any info supporting the benefits of Remdesivir other than general comments saying it has been shown to be effective.....but not defining what “effective” means.  He has used the word anecdotal over and over in when talking about HCQ.  He cited the VA study showing the dangers of HCQ.

    Still listening, but I’m not sure how much more of this I can take.  I had a delicious lunch consisting of avocados, tomatoes, an orange, and a grapefruit.  I  am trying to avoid vomiting up all of that great nutrition.

    There are so many assholes in Washington who think all this is some sort of game.  Sick.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 8:47am

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    Cribbage said:

    ROFLMAO

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 9:01am

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    dryam

    Quite clearly another water carrier for the deep state. What is the real agenda? That is the question.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 9:30am

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    Thank you for listening for us and reporting back Dryam

    There is no way I could have listened at all.. I can't even allow the TV to linger on CNN while I am flipping channels.  I am that disgusted with the alternative reality in which these people live.     

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 9:31am

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    Connecting Dots

    From WA state: I discovered today that Gov. Inslee's daughter-in-law is on the board of B&MG Foundation.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/emily-inslee-7a00a231

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 10:38am

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    About Vaccines

    In the US Supreme Court case Bruesewitz v. Wyeth, 562 U.S. 223 (2011), the USSC closed the window on any manufacturer liability what so ever in relation to CDC mandated vaccines.  Essentially the USSC's rationale was that vaccines are 'unavoidably unsafe' and therefore  Congress' intent was to disallow for strict product liability.  You can read the  USSC decision here:  https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

    You can read the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act here:

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/house-bill/5546

    Here's a little snippet from the NCVIA:

    "Part B: Additional Remedies - Sets forth procedures under which the person who filed a petition for compensation under the program may elect to file a civil action for damages.

    Provides that no vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death: (1) resulting from unavoidable side effects; or (2) solely due to the manufacturer's failure to provide direct warnings. Provides that a manufacturer may be held liable where: (1) such manufacturer engaged in the fraudulent or intentional withholding of information; or (2) such manufacturer failed to exercise due care. Permits punitive damages in such civil actions under certain circumstances."

    Here's a link to the compensation data:

    https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf

    According to this government website, the Vaccine Compensation Program has paid out $4.3 billion dollars to injured claimants as of December 31, 2018.  Many, many claims are denied, and applications only represent a small fraction of legitimate claims because very few people are aware this program exists.

    Parents are not informed about this program, should a child suffer an adverse reaction after receiving a vaccine.  Moreover, under the NCVIA, the vaccine adverse reporting system (VAERS) does not require that a vaccine adverse event be reported, many doctors do not know there is a place such as VAERS to report to, and doctors are financially dis-incentivized to report vaccine adverse events because if they do, they lose payment from BCBS in the "Combo 10" program that pays pediatricians about $400 per patient if 60-70% of that doctor's patient population complies with the CDC mandated vaccine schedule.

    What did Charlie Munger say?  Show me the incentive and I'll show the outcome?

    Take a look at https://epidemicanswers.org/about-the-epidemic/the-startling-statistics/

    Some of the stats are linked to sources.  Others can be traced down.  The US  has about 400+ epidemics going on right now, including but not limited to:  seizure disorders, asthma, eczema, allergies, etc.

    Lastly, this link  from the CDC explains how vaccines are tested for safety, and no, they don't use a double blind placebo study.  They test against other vaccines, or use a saline solution with an adjuvent, like aluminum.

    Here's the link:  https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html
    I'm with you.  Not. Interested. In. A. Vaccine.

     

     

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 11:21am

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    Origin in America?

    Hi Chris,

    thank you very much for your brilliant insights.

    I have been wondering what happened with the many suddenly appearing lung sick in April last year or so in America. They were reported to be sick from ==>vaping <==. Those news disappeared rather suddenly later.

    Can there be a connection to the sudden closing of a lab in America last year?

    NYT reported on 08/05/19.

    Google:

    The New York Times
    Deadly Germ Research Is Shut Down at Army Lab Over Safety Concerns
    https://

    www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html?fbclid=IwAR1WuVpnaYno2Uch5BGkLsXTUl83sL81UTXWj1uhMJ4J_tgFpzQ64SzoEPA

    God bless you!

    Alex

     

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 11:26am

    Hladini

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    Don't have the stomach either

    Me Neither!!!   When I was  watching Comey express the 17 false verifications as sloppy(!), I had to turn the page.  Elites always fall back on incompetence!

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 12:34pm

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    Good Article On Contact Tracing - RT

    https://rt.com/op-ed/488584-contact-tracing-police-state-incompetence/

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 12:45pm

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    Here's another one just like the other ones

    Don't Bogart that....... oh nevermind.

    The headline bears some resemblance to the article. Once again they blame it on bats, with no evidence. They exonerate batwoman, they are circling the wagons. They deny any ability to manipulate a virus, ignoring their own research.

    But hey they do say we should continue to investigate, That's why they keep blaming the internet for all the "conspiracy theories" Of course this complete and utter non scientific bullshit lives up to the standards of Google, Facebook, Twitter and lame stream media.

    No one but no one in the media asks a fucking question.

    Is this a great totalitarian state or what?

    This is from CIDCRAP er I mean CIDRAP

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/scientists-exactly-zero-evidence-covid-19-came-lab

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 12:52pm

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    jtd said:

    No surprise that the vaccine funded scientists fight so hard against the very idea that this virus could've been created or manipulated in a lab.  There is a huge industry of taxpayer funded grants that go to scientists who repeat in vivo experiments endlessly and needlessly, creating massive suffering of lab animals all for the sake of a paycheck.

    These 'scientists' have skin in the game.  And their kneejerk response is that anyone not towing the big pharma line is a 'conspiracy theorist', a term coined by the CIA to control response to the Warren Report on the Kennedy assasination.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 1:08pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Maybe it's time

    Maybe it is time to gather a group of virologists, microbiologists etc especially those opposed to GOF and are retired and not depending on big pharma or the government for money, to do an in depth EVENT 202 to discuss the pandemic caused by virus x. It could be set up online on a video platform.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 1:13pm

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    Bees in the Nest Hornets in the Bonnet

    Some of your best work to date Chris  (and I’ve been following you for quite some time)  The criminal trial lawyer in me brings me to the same logic you put forward - there is no clear or convincing evidence this came from nature. In fact as you aptly point out there are a number of pieces of “circumstantial” evidence that point to this coming from a lab. Just like the word “conspiracy” is abused and mis-used the term “circumstantial evidence” has a very curious and special place in American courtrooms. Jurors receive jury instructions read to them and provided to them before they go to deliberate. One very significant general jury instruction tells them that “circumstantial evidence” carries the SAME amount of weight as direct or any other kind of evidence This is so because, like many of the things unfolding before us - people and institutions and businesses and governments often go to great lengths to hide things and thus often time, the only evidence however strong - is circumstantial. It’s not as if  you’re ever going to get the CIA , Monsanto or a host of other suspects to come flat out and say “ ok you got us, we admit we did it”  That’s just how human beings often work  and we all know it .   Keep up the good fight Adam and Chris

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 1:14pm

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    Nominations Please

    Above I thought it might just be time to gather up some experts who don't necessarily agree with the deep pharma party line. Maybe a la a Rowe summit on SC2

    I will get my own ball rolling with Sona Pekova from the Czech Republic. You know the place that got its R0 below 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLwPHQvg5aY

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 1:51pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    New Nomination

    Scientist says Covid-19 is man made and was released from Wuhan lab

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 3:54pm

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    Thank you for asking the hard questions

    I am not a scientist, but understand enough to know that you raise some very important, significant questions regarding the origin of Covid-19.

    It is disappointing that the virologist community does not even attempt to supply evidence to prove how the cleavage site occurred in nature.  Basucally, this is what they are saying, is it not?  So to the simple minded female in the group, please explain how it is NOT possible the virus mutation occurred in a lab when Daszak's experimental aims noted on The Bombshell episode indicate the Wuhan lab project's description explicitely refers to experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronaviruses to infect human and animal cells using genetic engineering.

    CCV

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 4:20pm

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    Shaving with Occam's Razor: Points of evidence supporting lab release of the virus. Did I miss anything? Do you disagree with any of these?

    PP Friends:

    I think most of us are acquainted with Occam's Razor: if two explanations of an observation both fit the facts, choose the explanation that makes the fewest assumptions. With that in mind, I think there are at least two questions of interest regarding the release of SARS-CoV-2.

    First: was the virus released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), or was it released somewhere else (including from nature)?

    Second: if the virus was released from the WIV, was it likely altered in the WIV lab or can its properties be accounted for by natural mutation/evolution?

    In this post, I would like to present a summary of the 30 points of evidence that I have thus far assembled regarding the first question. This evidence supports the idea that the virus was released from the WIV.

    For right now, please assume that I have data/facts/sources to support each point of evidence. I could have included those sources here, but that would make this post even longer than it is going to be, and I don't mean this post to take the place of a scientific paper.

    Obviously, if you have data or facts that contradict any of these points, I would like to know them. Please, no speculations or guesses: "just the facts, mam" . 🙂

    If you have other points supporting the idea that the virus was released from the WIV, points that I may have missed, I would also like to hear those.

    So, if you have the time and are interested, please look through these points of evidence, and do three things:

    1) let me know if you have facts that contradict my points of evidence

    2) let me know if you think there are points of evidence I have missed (and what your sources are for that evidence)

    3) please rate each point of evidence as to its "strength" as you personally view the evidence. I would like to suggest three different qualitative levels of strength of evidence: a) "worth mentioning", b) "positive" and c) "strong".  You can use either these words the letters (a, b or c) in your response.

    Obviously, c) is the strongest, b) is next and a) is the least strong evidence. If you think a particular point has no value as evidence, please give it a zero (0) rating.

    I am considering writing a scientific paper based on this evidence, using what is called Bayesian likelihood analysis. Bayesian analysis can be used in many ways, but in this case it would be as a more rigorous approach to Occam's Razor.

    Your responses and comments will help me decide if writing a paper is worth pursuing. (It would be a ton of work.)  I think many of the people here at PP have good "scientific" minds, even if you may not have been formally trained in science. So I really welcome your input and hope you will give it. You can reply to me either with a Comment or via the PM feature.

    So, after that tediously-long-but-as-short-as-I-could-make-it introduction, here are the 30 points of evidence that I have compiled.

    1) The epidemic started in Wuhan, China

    2) Wuhan is the site of China's only BSL-4 laboratory

    3) The WIV or portions of it were isolated physically for over a week in mid-October as shown by lack of cell phone activity in that area

    4) The epicenter of the viral outbreak in Wuhan in late 2019 was only a few hundred yards from the WIV

    5) Scientists collected, studied and altered viruses, including SARS bat coronaviruses, at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV)

    6) Yunnan, where the bat coronaviruses were collected, is over 1000 miles from Wuhan

    7) Bat samples were (at least sometimes) collected without proper personal protective equipment (PPE) even after a researcher was bitten by a bat, and other researchers were urinated on by bats

    8) Bats were hibernating in the winter when the outbreak started

    9) The WIV conducted research to alter SARS-CoV-1

    10) The WIV produced new viruses from SARS-CoV-1 that displayed gain of function.

    11) Some of the bat coronaviruses collected by the WIV are nearly identical (over 96% homology) with SARS-CoV-2

    12) The WIV injected live piglets with bat coronaviruses as recently as July 2019. Such animals could be the vector by which SARS-CoV-2 emerged from that laboratory.

    13) The Director of the WIV was accused by a WIV researcher of selling infected lab animals to vendors. The accuser included her picture and ID with the accusation.

    14) The WIV tested its disinfection procedures using bat coronaviruses

    15) Scientists at the WIV created new bat coronaviruses that could infect human cells starting from coronaviruses that could not infect human cells

    16) In November, 2019, the WIV published a paper on MERS-CoV, a close descendant of SARS-CoV-1

    17) At the time of the SARS-CoV-2 spillover event, the WIV was looking for personnel to research bat coronaviruses, including the “cross-species infection mechanism”

    18) Three different spillover mechanisms (release of a virus from a lab) are possible and evidence from bio-lab accidents elsewhere in the world exists to support all three possibilities, including evidence of such events in China.

    19) Specifically, the SARS-CoV-1 virus has already twice escaped from a lab in Beijing

    20) The WIV facility was built in partnership with France. However, Technip, the French company that was supposed to certify that the building complied with safety standards, refused to certify it after pulling out of the project in 2015.

    21) In 2018 and again in 2019 the WIV was cited by outside scientific experts for safety concerns

    22) Following the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak, the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology ordered new biosafety rules, especially for viruses, citing the need to “fix chronic management loopholes at virus labs”

    23) China arrested a top academician in January 2020 for illegally selling lab animals and “experimental milk”. (This particular individual was not from the WIV.)

    24) The actions of Wuhan’s civic leaders fit with a cover up of a lab release rather a natural outbreak. These actions include: censoring medical officials, ordering local labs to destroy samples of the virus, insisting on no human-to-human transmission, holding a 40,000 family banquet in spite of the clear risk, and withholding the SARS-CoV-2 genome until Beijing got involved.

    25) Beijing (shorthand for the CCP) launched the largest national quarantine in history once containment failed

    26) The CCP prevented the unauthorized publishing of any academic material related to SARS-CoV-2

    27) The CCP allowed a Party spokesman to accuse the United States Army of intentionally bringing SARS-CoV-2 to Wuhan and is still making such accusations

    28) Chinese social media claims that Dr. Huang Yanling, a former researcher at WIV, is Patient Zero. WIV claims that she is in good health and working elsewhere in China.

    29) These claims could easily be refuted by Dr. Huang’s public appearance, but that has not happened. She has not appeared.

    30) The CCP has thus far refused all calls for an international investigation (including by the WHO) of the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 and the possible role of the WIV in the outbreak, in spite of claiming when the WIV was founded that it would be a “World Health Organization “reference laboratory” linked to similar laboratories around the world.”

    OK, thanks very much for your help.

    Bruce

     

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 4:36pm

    stevedaly

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    Occupational Silicosis takes many years and even decades to develop...

    primarily with smokers.   The possibility that a disease may produce equivalent damage to healthy lungs in a few short weeks is stunning.

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 4:44pm

    David McKenney

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    How long are we going to take this?

    4 things to end this tomorrow. Does anybody even care? What will it take?

    http://brighteon.com/bded5422-309d-48c7-859c-6de827faa8d7

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 5:26pm

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    How much D? It depends on many factors, even in the best of times.

    I hope this helps:

    This article is a discussion and general advice from Dr. Michael Greger, MD FACLM* of Nutritionfacts.org:

    https://nutritionfacts.org/2019/04/23/the-amount-of-vitamin-d-supplementation-i-recommend/

    it includes several links to other articles and videos

    *Fellow of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 5:51pm

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    More for Lab release

    " The virus went into that market before it came out of that market"

    https://www.ccn.com/could-the-deadly-coronavirus-actually-be-a-man-made-killer-disease/

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 8:33pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    How much D?

    Just grab the biggest bottle of 5k iu and take as much as you can swallow.

    You will get sick but it won't be SC2 lol

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 9:04pm

    Jeffrey Ringold

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    Jeffrey Ringold said:

    Yes, there's an excellent updated discussion on optimal Vitamin D dosage, methods of supplementation, etc. here: https://immunify.org/ It looks like there was a meta-analysis in 2017 that really clarified the picture. There's also a really interesting petition there -- I went ahead and signed the thing. It looks like they're pushing in an organized way for government support of clinically grounded wellness programs. It's about time!

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 10:09pm

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    Interesting stats

    I found this on Facebook. He wasnt able to use 2019 flu data as it's still not on the CDc site.  Still very interesting if you like math!

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10102840798209614&id=20302186

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  • Thu, May 14, 2020 - 11:58pm

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    Its hard to not love trump

    For a guy that i hate as a business man, he is really hard not to love as a president.. Why?  because he is not a pig filthy lawyer that double talks ,, though it sounds like trump genuinely may not know what he is talking about a lot of the time, some of it , is still found.   Never the less he is balsy. which is why i like him as a pres .. he is not one of these bs poiiticians , you know where he stands. and he doesnt care what popular opinion is  what other leaders think of him , what you think,  and he certainly doesnt really care about the powers that be - that i am sure sat him down when he first took office and explained the gig to him. I am actually surprised trump has not be assassinated yet, not by some lunatic citizen, but the power that be, "the corrupt Govt"  the deep state.      But never the less, he still doles out his opinion and that is let the Hydroxychloroquine flow freely,  regardless what the who recommends/. Its hard to not love a guy this grounded.. that would tell the WHO to go shove it where the light does not shine.. he has made clear that he does not care for this BS organization in any fashion........... so , again hard not to love trump here. - try to excuse the bad grammar and bad type-  or if this comes as a bit of rant.. I am quite punchy and spent at 3am.

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 12:57am

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    planfortomorrow said:

    Agreed Jim, I feel like a creep if just passing over CNN and I actually hear them saying anything! I feel violated. There must be something done where we can just eliminate that channel from our system. I will boycott them forever or until real change is made and they start reporting the news with reporters who actually do good investigative reporting. Blitz is the one I feel so dirty to have even bumped into as I head for Bonanza.

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 3:34am

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    Chimera

    I think we are going to take this until we finally wake up to the realization that our two party system is actually a Chimera that feeds off itself.  The two party loyalty system is no different from a one party  loyalty system.  In the former USSR, you had one kind of fanatic:  a communist one.  In present day US of A, you have basically two kinds of fanatics:  democrats and republicans.

    This Creature produces bald face hypocrisy.  You  can read attorney Sidney Powell's  open letter response to former President Obama here:  https://sidneypowell.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Obama-Memo-Edits-NEW-FINAL.pdf

    It's a scathing rebuttal written by a talented and experienced Constitutional Litigation attorney.

    As for me, I find the choices we're being offered up in November 2020 just as offensive as the choices offered up in November 2016.  Wet stool or dry stool?  It's all stool.  No thank you.  I'm not holding my nose to vote, again.

    And ditch/boycott the corporate bondage, which includes a lot of conveniences we think we cannot live without.  I've had a love-hate relationship with phone companies going way to the early '80's.  By dint of circumstances, I had given up my cell phone (as a very busy attorney) for a loved one's use for a period of time.  During that time, I learned that I can live without a cell phone.  That makes me very happy.  My dollars are no longer supporting another vampire squid:  telecommunications industry/surveillance apparatus.  If enough dollars walked, we could have a huge impact.

    I think when we've had enough, we make drastic changes in our lives because it starts with me.

     

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 4:29am

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    Things that make you go hhmmmm

    Here is an interesting table that provides the very strict criteria for making a claim in the tax payer sponsored vaccine compensation program.  https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/vaccinecompensation/vaccineinjurytable.pdf

    Since inception, there have been 20,000 claims, 31%  or 6200 claimants have been compensated to the tune of an aggregate $4.3 billion dollars - per RFK, Jr., Children Defense Fund.  The CDC authored a study(2002-2003) that has since come under fire for the destruction of data and manipulation of the study parameters, that resulted in 5400 claimants (100 billion dollar liability risk) being automatically rejected by the compensation program. See the film Vaxxed here: https://www.bitchute.com/video/AhuaJ6c0moG9/

    This film will really make you go hhmmmmm......

    On a final note, 20,000 claimants is a fraction of legitimate claims.  Very few folks know about the vaccine compensation program, or the VAERS reporting system (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System), not even most physicians/pediatricians!!!!

    Moreover, pediatricians are financially incentivized to follow the CDC mandated vaccine schedule.  BCBS will  pay the $400 bonus per compliant patient if the MD has a 63% CDC compliance rate under the Combo 10 plan.

    Here's the link, see page 16 of 29.

    http://whale.to/c/2016-BCN-BCBSM-Incentive-Program-Booklet.pdf

     

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 4:44am

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    Truth in America

    If enough people holler and scream (and spread around postings), maybe something will start to happen.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/05/14/truth-in-america-r-i-p/

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 8:11am

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    cvenituc said:

    1) C

    2) C

    3) C

    4) C Also what about French participants in military games hosted in Wuhan?  About same time and many returned to France with strange upper respiratory illness.

    5) C

    6) C

    7) B

    8) C

    9) CCC

    10) C

    11) C Key is the missing 4 %

    12) C

    13) C. what is the assumption here?  That live animals transmitted the engineered virus?

    14) B maybe A

    15) C

    16) C if research led to SARS-CoV-2

    17) C

    18) C

    19) C

    20) C

    21) C depends on safety concerns but noted below

    22) C

    23) A

    24) C

    25)  A

    26) B

    27) B. Maybe not military but what about NHIs funding of research

    28) C .What about as far back as October?

    29) C

    30) B

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 9:35am

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    Re: Truth in America

    David, some interesting points in that article.  Freedom of speech and freedom of thought are real issues in Western society in general (not just in America).  The groups in control of the narratives, whether about SC2 or other topics, are very well organized, loud and increasing ruthless.

    Another problem in today's society is that many people no longer think their own thoughts.  They are addicted to various screens, which fill all their free time and tell them what to think and do.

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 9:47am

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    Re: How long are we going to take this

    Excellent! Thanks for posting.

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 2:27pm

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    Study - Are pangolins the intermediate host of the 2019 novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2)?

    https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1008421

     

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 2:41pm

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    Dimissed

    It starts with a faulty premise. The evidence does not support the pandemic started at the wet market. The earliest cases have no relation with the market. "The virus went into the market before it came out of the market"

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 9:09pm

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    I agree Mohammad. Makes no sense - came from wet market

    Its a simple theory... animals.. at wet market - must come from animals at wet market.. simple because they are there.   Problem is there were no bats ( this is a bat virus /pangolin ) and pangolins at the market.    The same theory could be just as easy - came from wuhan.. because there is a reservoir of  these type corona virus at the lab there.. so it must have come there.. But we cant say but there were no bats and pangolins there.   With just this considered the simpler of the two is it came from the lab - and that doesnt even account for as you say, the earliest cases had no contact with the market.  And in fact it was circulating well before , the wetmarket was investigated.

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  • Fri, May 15, 2020 - 10:56pm

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    Doesn't this paper address evolutionary progression?

    Is it possible that COVID-19 was created from the pangolin virus by gain of function?  Seems like the paper is only considering a natural progression to COVID-19.   ????

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 1:32am

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    Mr Garrison explains the natural evolution of Sars-Cov-2

    Disclaimer, the link is a scene from Southpark, some people might find it somewhat offensive, if you are that type of person, do not watch the clip.

    But I think that Mr. Garrison fully explains, somewhat reluctantly, the current narrative of many experts very precisely. If you replace the biological species in this 52 seconds clip by all type of bats, pangolins and of course fish (it was a seafood market right?), the crucial events leading to this natural virus are compellingly described.

    Take care

     

     

     

     

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 7:43am

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    Sunshine not enough

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17426097

    Low vitamin D status despite abundant sun exposure.

    Abstract

    CONTEXT: Lack of sun exposure is widely accepted as the primary cause of epidemic low vitamin D status worldwide. However, some individuals with seemingly adequate UV exposure have been reported to have low serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] concentration, results that might have been confounded by imprecision of the assays used.

    SETTING: This study was conducted in a convenience sample of adults in Honolulu, Hawaii (latitude 21 degrees ).

    PARTICIPANTS: The study population consisted of 93 adults (30 women and 63 men) with a mean (sem) age and body mass index of 24.0 yr (0.7) and 23.6 kg/m(2) (0.4), respectively. Their self-reported sun exposure was 28.9 (1.5) h/wk, yielding a calculated sun exposure index of 11.1 (0.7).

    MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Serum 25(OH)D concentration was measured using a precise HPLC assay. Low vitamin D status was defined as a circulating 25(OH)D concentration less than 30 ng/ml.

    RESULTS: Mean serum 25(OH)D concentration was 31.6 ng/ml. Using a cutpoint of 30 ng/ml, 51% of this population had low vitamin D status. The highest 25(OH)D concentration was 62 ng/ml.

    CONCLUSIONS:  These data suggest that variable responsiveness to UVB radiation is evident among individuals, causing some to have low vitamin D status despite abundant sun exposure. In addition, because the maximal 25(OH)D concentration produced by natural UV exposure appears to be approximately 60 ng/ml, it seems prudent to use this value as an upper limit when prescribing vitamin D supplementation.

    Finally, the data reported here are consistent with prior reports of highly sun-exposed individuals that also demonstrate substantial variability in 25(OH)D status. For example, in 18 Puerto Rican farmers with self-reported sun exposure from 32–70 h/wk, two individuals had a 25(OH)D level less than 30 ng/ml (31). Similarly, low 25(OH)D values were reported in some subjects who used a tanning bed at least once a week for 6 wk (32) and among outdoor workers with a sun index of 11.5 (22). Thus, even substantial sunlight or UV exposure does not ensure maintenance of vitamin D adequacy for all individuals, according to currently accepted standards. This implies that the common clinical recommendation to allow sun exposure to the hands and face for 15 min may not ensure vitamin D sufficiency.

     

    This research has been replicated in other populations as well

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18673464

    Vitamin D deficiency in rural girls and pregnant women despite abundant sunshine in northern India.

    People who live farther North and South often cannot make any vitamin D3 in their skin for up to 6 mo of the year.41 For example in Boston at 42° North essentially no vitamin D3 can be produced in the skin from November through February. Inhabitants living in Edmonton Canada at 52° North, Bergen Norway at 60° North, or Ushuaia Argentina at 55° South are unable to produce any significant vitamin D3 for about 6 mo of the year. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3897598/

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 8:41am

    stevedaly

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    Limits of the study

    Here is the excerpt from the final sentences in the discussion section of this paper:

    "Although this present study does not support that pangolins would be intermediate hosts for the emergence of SARS-CoV-2, our results do not exclude the possibility that other CoVs could be circulating in pangolins. Thus, surveillance of coronaviruses in pangolins could improve our understanding of the spectrum of coronaviruses in pangolins. In addition to conservation of wildlife, minimizing the exposures of humans to wildlife will be important to reduce the spillover risks coronaviruses from wild animals to humans. In summary, we suggest that pangolins could be natural hosts of Betacoronaviruses with an unknown potential to infect humans. However, our study does not support that SARS-CoV-2 evolved directly from the pangolin-CoV."

    In so many words:  our study didn't find a close correlation between Betacoronaviruses in the three sick pangolins we were given and COVID-19, but who knows how many other Betacoronaviruses are out there in the pangolin population (and we are not even touching the subject of whether COVID-19 was altered by gain of function techniques).

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 9:48am

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    Thank you again

    Thank you again for the great insight.

    But these days it seems to be a mute point of it came from a lab.

    I am surrounded by people who believe Bill Gates is behind this.  That this is a hoax to get chips implanted into us.

    Jesus Christ on pogo stick, they make me want to drink.

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 9:53am

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    Do masks really help?

    "Much to my surprise, I discovered that the evidence for wearing masks in public was very strong. It appeared that universal mask-wearing could be one of the most important tools in tackling the spread of COVID-19. Yet the people around me weren’t wearing masks and health organizations in the U.S. weren’t recommending their use."

    https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 10:26am

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    Belief that SC2 is natural is an article of faith not science.

    The case against "natural origin" of SC2 is very strong but I am unsure that it is yet effective. Here you have a case of a sudden outbreak of an unknown viral pathogen, a thousand kilometers from traditional centres of Chinese epidemics, but in the immediate vicinity of a virology lab with the largest collection of bat coronaviruses, and published use of GOF bio-engineering technology.  This outbreak happens two years after the WHO issued a directive (to this lab ) to find treatment and vaccine for "future" Beta-Cov pandemics. The lab has strong ties to two American pioneers of frankensteinian mucking with deadly viral pathogens (of whom one was instrumental in obtaining the 2018 WHO "cover" for the research into the theoretical viral monsters), and yet.......when the disaster strikes, the brand new coronavirus is not among the 1500 collected viral specimen, nor it has a close cousin there that could conceivably mutate into it by natural genetic evolution, but sure enough the lab manipulates its database and destroys samples of its work.  And of course, the idea that a monster escaped from the lab becomes a vile right-wing conspiracy theory, while the herd of virus experts seeking funding swears a fairytale of someone by the name of Kristian Andersen with  a computer proof equivalent to the one that confirmed Noah's Arc proximal landing on Ararat, is in fact the definitive work of science.

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 10:50am

    David McKenney

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    No lockdown needed, no vaccine needed, no distancing, no deaths.

    Did you folks watch this?

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 12:48pm

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    Perhaps it is time to expand your world view? reply to #102

    Hi Karen,

    My observation from some of the comments you have made on this site is that you seem to have bought into the mainstream narratives and have not yet taken the steps of exploring alternative world views. The one thing that can be counted on by those of us who have taken a deeper dive to learn and understand how the world really works is that when confronted with 'uncomfortable truths' many people respond by trotting out the conspiracy theorist label. I view this as an emotional reaction to information they perceive as a threat to their way of life, whatever that may be. The best response we can give is the phrase Chris was using early on in his reporting: "If the facts scare you, the problem is not with the facts".

    I had thoughts like what you seem to have when I first came to this site. I stumbled upon PP after following a link from a more mainstream site article. I was at first intrigued and mildly amused at some of the concepts being discussed. Amusement turned to amazement after following many fabulous, thoughtful, and fact-based discussions, and reading the Crash Course. My world view shifted exponentially; I felt compelled to join. It was like a light bulb turned on…

    I cannot overstate how critically important it is to be able to open one's mind to alternative viewpoints, no matter how far fetched they may seem at first glance. And to participate in discussions, learn how to cogently make points & provide data, and how to debate well. I never in a million years would have thought that 9/11 was an inside job. But after allowing my mind to be open to such an abhorrent idea, and following that extremely lengthy forum discussion with all kinds of people with wide ranging expertise weighing in and cross-referencing their posts, I was able to come to the belief that yes, that is exactly what it was. Coming to understand and accept that changed how I see the world forever. It woke me up. It enabled me to take steps to change my life for the better – something that is serving me extremely well during this virus induced crisis.

    With a rather abundant level of curiosity, it was not hard to go from the 9/11 wake up call to wanting to know more - after all, if they could do that, then what the heck else are they up to?!? The more I read the more I developed a deep fascination with geopolitics, macro economics and global finance. I am no expert by any means, but after about ten years of doing a deep dive, I am confident that I know and understand a heck of a lot more than your average person. I have family and friends who ask me why I follow these things so closely. They are the disbelievers; the people who, like you perhaps, are unable to fathom intentional nefariousness and evil. That the world is run by sociopathic megalomaniacs who do not value human life unless it can enrich them further. That, to them, we are not assets, we are liabilities.

    Their questioning of my motives is perplexing to me. Information is power. It informs decision making across the spectrum of daily living, including, as Covid-19 is showing, decisions that may mean life or death. When this all started back in January I knew nothing about nanotechnology, vaccines, Bill Gates, big Pharma or DARPA until things were mentioned in videos and discussions at PP. I sought to learn more because as much as I want there to be an effective vaccine for this virus, I need to satisfy myself that it will be safe and that there are no nefarious hidden agendas, like nano tracking chips, in any treatment or vaccine program that is rolled out. I would hope that you can agree that we all have a seriously vested interest in what ‘they’ are doing. What I have learned in the past few months is beyond deeply disturbing - far more so than anything I learned about 9/11. I have read enough from many credible sources in the alt media domain to come to believe that the virus, the responses, or lack thereof, and the dystopian things planned are an existential threat to humanity and our way of life.

    Instead of incredulous disbelief and engaging in uninformed put downs as you  have previously done, I would encourage you [perhaps libation in hand since you are being driven to drink by hoax promoters (lol)], to start truly, deeply educating yourself about what is really going on behind the daily news façade presented to the masses. If one is willing to do a bit of work, there is a whole big world out there beyond CNN, Fox, CBC, The Globe and Mail (Canada's so called national newspaper), BBC, the Guardian, and all the other mainstream news that feeds the masses their daily propaganda (as dictated by the ideologies and editorial agendas of the billionaires that own them).

    There is a great list of credible alt news website found at The Last American Vagabond – well worth bookmarking. I tried to paste the link into this comment but the cen$ors are at work again today ☹ (That, and the fact that I have that problem a lot these days, trying to post links to investigative journalism articles of interest to the PP tribe, is something that should give you serious pause for thought…)

    In closing I will repeat what I said above in #62: 'for evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing.' Doing nothing got us into this mess. It sure as heck is not going to get us out of it!

    Further, we will not get out of it by remaining wilfully ignorant. Ignorance is not bliss – not in this case anyway. It is dangerous.

    Respectfully offered,

    Jan

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 1:17pm

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    ibhipru2 said:

    I believe this method has been debunked but don't remember where I read that.  A better method would simply be to wash the mask in soapy water or if you are using masks that are not conducive to washing, simply use a series of masks and after a use, hang mask #1 up before using it again, ideally 7-10 days

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 2:17pm

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    lunableu22 said:

    The problem with this presentation is it flys in the face of all the fear-mongering surrounding this virus.  That's why we all need to view it.

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 5:00pm

    stevedaly

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    Is Professor Professor Cahill Aware of the controversy in the US?

    In 2014 the NIH suspended 'Gain of Function' (GOF) experiments on bat viruses (viri?) after some 200 scientists publicly complained that they were too dangerous because the purpose was to add functionally to the viruses to make them transferable to humans in order to develop treatments for viruses that had not actually been discovered yet in nature.  (Notably no effective and approved vaccines have ever been developed for any coronaviruses.)  This GOF experimentation had been a project of Fauci's NIAID unit.  At about this time (2014) the NIAID funded its first $multimillion 5 year contract with the Wuhan Virology Institute to collect and study bat viruses.  The second contract, or a second phase, was funded in 2019 and included GOF experimentation.  The NIAID gave notice of withdrawal from this contract on April 24th, 2020.  If Professor Cahill was aware of these experiments would she still be convinced COVID-19 was just another flu-like coronavirus? Has she looked at the functionality on COVID-19 that makes it so effective at combining with ACE2 receptors on human lung tissue?  Why is it so efficient at penetrating cell membrane?  Dr. Martenson has offered possible explanations for this pathogenicity that is not addressed by anyone else to my somewhat limited knowledge.

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  • Sat, May 16, 2020 - 11:34pm

    David McKenney

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    About Prof Dolores Cahill

    I too have limited knowledge but she needs to be discussed more on this site. A few weeks ago I suggested that if people were taking Vit D, C, and Zinc, and if HCQ were available from your doctor, we (the world) could end this whole thing NOW. Connecting these dots was very simple. Why no response?

    https://realcoronanews.com/2020/05/12/prof-dolores-cahill-explosive-debunking-of-the-corona-narrative/

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 1:12am

    David McKenney

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    The wrong side?

    After reviewing the Tainter video, I wonder if I am rooting for the wrong side. The financial bubble had to pop, population needs to be reduced, energy use must come way down, destruction of the environment needs to stop. Complexity has gone too far. Nature does have ways of controlling overpopulation. It also has ways of eliminating traits that aren't helpful, such as destroying ones own nest. Intelligence appears to be one of those traits. The natural solution is called extinction of that particular line. Is this what is going on? We may stop the pandemic but then what? Looking ahead.

    Educate the children? When I was 7 my father told me we would run out of everything. I never forgot. What teacher is going to teach that?

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 5:57am

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    Why no response?

    "Vit D, C, and Zinc, and if HCQ" seem like a powerful antidote.  No response because we probably agree.  But its a theoretical dream because your Department of Health and Human Services, with its $Trillion annual budget, has decreed that HCQ is only to be used in a hospital setting. This means thousands and thousands of Americans with compromised immune systems or who are older are dying needlessly because they are not given access to HCQ until the disease is very advanced.  Or they don't  get it at all.  What we are witnessing released into the World's population may well be an artificial pathogen created by a Gain of Function experiment.  Why no response to that?

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 6:47am

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    Why no response

    Hi David,

    I think that the majority of pipinauts is already aware of this. Majority of the discussions now reflect the disbelief about, feeling of betrayal by, and irresponsibility of TPTB, mass media, and researchers and scientists alike.

    grts, Dave (how many Davids are there here?)

     

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 7:24am

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    All Roads Lead to Bill Gates, The World Awakens

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/italian-politician-demands-bill-gates-arrest-crimes-against-humanity

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 9:47am

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    More things on the hmmm side... the list keeps growing

    2 trail blazing-covid-19-researchers-dead-in-a-month

    And it is on this particular point that Taylor became engaged in debate just days before his death. On March 19, the researcher asked a seemingly innocuous question on his Twitter page: “Can we talk about genomic data sharing for #covid19 #SARSCoV2 research?”

    Judging by the feedback, the question proved to be a loaded one. Taylor’s question revealed the frustration being felt by other research groups, like NCBI and Nextstrain, which were attempting to retrieve the genomic characteristics of Covid-19 but were running into hurdles. Taylor’s colleagues, Anton Nekrutenko and Sergei Kosakovsky Pond, expressed similar concerns regarding those roadblocks one month earlier in a paper entitled, ‘No more business as usual: agile and effective responses to emerging pathogen threats require open data and open analytics.’

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 10:48am

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    Professor Cahill Video

    A couple of points:

    Video information is particularly SLOW method of gathering data and explaining a position.  For example:  a 1 hour video takes an hour to review!  (Shocking)  Whereas the same material in writing can be skimmed in 5 minutes with a detailed reading of pertinent paragraphs in another 5.

    Video lectures tend more to be rants usually offered without supporting evidence.  They capture the emotional tone of the speaker with non-verbal cues.

    Supporting evidence requires links to source documents, there are rarely included in video lectures (with a few exceptions like MedCram and Chris' Reports)

    It is impossible to evaluate the validity of an assertion without checking out the supporting documents.

    Professor Cahill makes some 20-30 assertions in this video.  Many were NOT things that I already understood to be true.  One example:

    The reason that the Italian outbreak was so severe was because they had been given the flu shot previously, which is grown in "dog medium," and dogs carry coronaviruses.  So when the coronavirus infected them it triggered a cytokine storm.

    So I need to see the source documents to evaluate an assertion like that.  Some of these may turnout to be correct, and many not correct.

    A request to people who want to post videos:  Summarize and list their main points.  If you can find the references please link them as well.

    🙂

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 11:13am

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    Sandpuppy's point regarding video references...

    I very much sympathize with the point being made by Sandpuppy.  If a video is short I sometimes link it with few side notes.. but otherwise I at least feel responsible to point out the minute mark where important points are made, and to summarize what I think are those important points.  Hopefully more folks will strive to summarize video content and thus bring more value for the tribe.

    Another trick that I have learned is to use the playback speed icon..  you can usually go up to 1.5X speed and Youtube is sophisticated enough to keep the voice intonation natural.. i.e. it doesn't start sounding like The Chipmunks.  Try it!

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 12:05pm

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    The Lie: Viral Gene Splicing Leaves "Identifiable Fingerprints"

    I believe that this article from ZH today is employing the deception technique--the modified limited hangout --where the guilty confess to a crime, but only partially, leaving the deeper crime still hidden.

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    From ZH:   A study led by Flinders University vaccine researcher Nikolai Petrovsky in Australia reveals that SARS-CoV-2, ...  is optimized for penetration into human cells vs. animal cells.

    Using computer models, they comparing the binding affinity of the spike protein to bind to the human vs various animal ACE2 receptors, discovering that human binding affinity was higher.  This implies that the SC2 was specialized for human cell penetration, "quite possibly in a laboratory."  [This is the confession portion]

    Typically, "a virus would be expected to have highest affinity for the receptor in its original host species, e.g. bat, with a lower initial binding affinity for the receptor of any new host, e.g. humans."  This suggests lab modification.

    .

    The Lie. Genetic splicing leaves detectable “fingerprints”

    In a separate statement about the research, Petrovsky suggested that SARS-CoV-2 may not have been 'spliced' - which would leave fingerprints of genetic manipulation - but was instead 'cultured' to evolve.

    "Our and other analyses of the genomic sequence of the virus do not reveal any artificial gene inserts that would be the hallmark of a gene jockey, genetic engineers who manipulate or even create viruses by splicing in artificial inserts into their genome. These [spliced gene inserts] are generally *easily recognizable* and hence clear signatures of human intervention in the creation of a virus.  [and this is the deeper lie]

    As Chris has shown in his recent video (here at 33:44), this is not the case. Genes can be seamlessly inserted without identifiable "fingerprints."

    This is especially true when the editing is done using complementary DNA (cDNA) construction technique.

    From the group at University North Carolina, Chapel Hill

    Systematic Assembly of a Full-Length Infectious cDNA of Mouse Hepatitis Virus Strain A59

    Boyd Yount, Mark R. Denison, Susan R. Weiss, Ralph S. Baric

    “A novel method was developed to assemble a full-length infectious cDNA of [a]…. coronavirus mouse hepatitis virus strain A59 (MHV-A59). Seven contiguous cDNA clones that spanned the 31.5-kb MHV genome were isolated. The ends of the cDNAs were engineered with unique junctions and assembled with only the adjacent cDNA subclones, resulting in an intact MHV-A59 cDNA construct of ∼31.5 kb in length. The interconnecting restriction site junctions that are located at the ends of each cDNA are systematically removed during the assembly of the complete full-length cDNA product, allowing reassembly without the introduction of nucleotide changes.

    No fingerprints.

    These cDNA genome complements were then transcribed back to an RNA strand, and

    .... RNA transcripts derived from the full-length MHV-A59 construct were infectious….

    They created a working, infectious virus at UNC Chapel-Hill, back in 2002 without any fingerprints.

    Picture of the Wuhan Institute of Virology group with visiting professor, Ralph Baric from UNC Chapel Hill.  (Remember Shi Zhengli trained with Baric at UNC Chapel Hill.)

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 3:37pm

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    Zoom meeting Sunday 7:00 PM Eastern Time: to discuss farming during collapse/wartime

    reminder for those interested:

    Topic: "The Power of Community" (movie) and wartime England ag response: lessons for today
    Time: May 17, 2020 07:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 4:01pm

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    Additional info

    1. SARSCoV-2 could not have been made in a lab say well known US virologists.

    The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2
    Kristian G. AndersenAndrew RambautW. Ian LipkinEdward C. Holmes & Robert F. Garry

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

    2.  Closest wild type viruses are found in the pangolin and bat RaTG13.

    3. HIV-1 partial sequences are found all over the animal kingdom- from Chinese virologist in TX, Dr. Feng.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7033698/

    4.  It would be extremely rare to have 4 HIV-1 Inserts- also asserted in above paper.

    5.  Bat RaTG13 and Pangolin have about 97.5% Homology

    6.  We must keep looking to find the animal with the SARSCoV-2 founder genome

    ___________________________________

    Then Luc Montagnier and Perez take a deep dive into the remaining 2.5% of the genome-  It has 12 partial sequences of HIV SIV .  One is associated with prior research into a vaccine for HIV from Kenya 2008.

    https://osf.io/d9e5g/Luc Montagnier EIE Chart

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 5:59pm

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    Zoom meeting Sun 5/24 farming during collapse/wartime 8 pm Eastern

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 6:27pm

    David McKenney

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    This takes 36:09 minutes of your life

    Every minute seems to be rather important. Sure would like to settle the issues she brings up. Or we could discuss other things for a year or two after we get vaccinated.

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 9:54pm

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    videos are particularly slow: Summarize and list their main points.

    Thank you Sandman for pointing this out.  Videos, indeed are a slow and painful way to present persuasive argument.

    This is why a peer-to-peer text based digital communication can serve us well.  We can reference news articles and pdf web pages, and use text-typing to present arguments, as a way to continue a search for truth as the internet gets locked down.
    In recent years, ham radio ("amateur radio") has developed a number of powerful digital text techniques that allow two way text discussions about articles and pictures (which can be downloaded from the internet) long distances such that anyone can tune in in real time.

    I look forward to working with people here who want to set up a weekly discussion group (text based) over news item....

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  • Sun, May 17, 2020 - 10:04pm

    Mots

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    This takes 36:09 minutes of your life

    David McK....
    Can you please provide a bullet point summary?

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  • Mon, May 18, 2020 - 3:12am

    David McKenney

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    Points

    If the people were advised by the media to take Vit C, Vit D and Zinc, and were allowed to have HCQ for a backup, we could have ended this months ago. She says life immunity is gained from infection. How does she know this? She wants herd immunity to happen fast. She says this virus doesn't spread in air without droplets to ride in. Most important, she wants to form a group of advisors who have no financial interests in the industry, if that were even possible. Lots to talk about, in my opinion.

    On the other hand, I agree with Gail Tverberg that the world is overpopulated and this is one way to deal with that. Maybe we should just "go along with it".

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  • Tue, May 19, 2020 - 12:49pm

    westcoastjan

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    Monkeying around with vaccines and people's genetic makeup

    Whitney Webb has a short read on the Last American Vagabond website called "As Moderna's Covid-19 Vaccine Takes the Lead, It's Chief Medical Officer's Recent Promotion of "Gene Editing Vaccines" Comes to Light.

    I tried to insert the link here but being censored again today... sigh. Poop!!

    The key issue as many of you may already know is 'they' are monkeying around with permanent gene alteration via vaccines, with potentially disastrous effects! Some may recall the scandal with the anthrax vaccine and how it caused long term medical problems for countless people, many of whom were USA military personnel (another story well captured in Ms. Webb's 3 part series called Engineering Contagion, also found on the Last American Vagabond).

    A few excerpts - bold my emphasis:

    ...The summary of Zaks’ talk encapsulates his view as the following simple question: “If our cells are the hardware and our genetic material the operating system, what if we could change a few lines of code?” — seemingly suggesting that the permanent introduction of changes into the human genome is as simple as troubleshooting or programming a computer or phone application.

    Zaks’ statements are noteworthy and concerning for several reasons, including the fact that DARPA — Moderna’s “strategic ally” — is also openly funding research aimed at “reprogramming genes” and “manipulat[ing] genes or control[ling] gene expression to combat viruses and help human bodies withstand infection” caused by Covid-19. The DARPA-backed project would use a method that is known to cause severe genetic damage that has actually been shown to aggravate the conditions it was meant to cure.

    The question is how do we raise more awareness and stop this from ever happening? The downside risk potential is huge. What can be done?!?

    Jan

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  • Wed, Jul 22, 2020 - 3:38pm

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    lyonssf said:

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502

    From a 2015 article.

    Ralph Baric, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, last week (November 9) published a study on his team’s efforts to engineer a virus with the surface protein of the SHC014 coronavirus, found in horseshoe bats in China, and the backbone of one that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice. The hybrid virus could infect human airway cells and caused disease in mice, according to the team’s results, which were published in Nature Medicine.

    The results demonstrate the ability of the SHC014 surface protein to bind and infect human cells, validating concerns that this virus—or other coronaviruses found in bat species—may be capable of making the leap to people without first evolving in an intermediate host, Nature reported. They also reignite a debate about whether that information justifies the risk of such work, known as gain-of-function research. “If the [new] virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, told Nature.

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  • Wed, Jul 22, 2020 - 3:42pm

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    2015 Virus Gain of Function Research

    Let me try this again.

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502
    Ralph Baric, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, last week (November 9) published a study on his team’s efforts to engineer a virus with the surface protein of the SHC014 coronavirus, found in horseshoe bats in China, and the backbone of one that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice. The hybrid virus could infect human airway cells and caused disease in mice, according to the team’s results, which were published in Nature Medicine.
    The results demonstrate the ability of the SHC014 surface protein to bind and infect human cells, validating concerns that this virus—or other coronaviruses found in bat species—may be capable of making the leap to people without first evolving in an intermediate host, Nature reported. They also reignite a debate about whether that information justifies the risk of such work, known as gain-of-function research. “If the [new] virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, told Nature.

    “[The results] move this virus from a candidate emerging pathogen to a clear and present danger,”

     

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