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    Coronavirus Situation Is Quickly Going From Bad To Worse.

    And it's getting almost too late to prepare in many countries
    by Adam Taggart

    Thursday, February 27, 2020, 7:37 PM

The situation with the coronavirus is quickly going from bad to worse.

Hundreds of cases breaking out across the world, dozens of new deaths.

And, of course, these are just the official numbers. Many countries have inadequate/non-existent testing procedures, so the true numbers may be quite a bit higher.

As covid-19 continues to rip through the EU, Iran and South Korea, the US has just announced its first case of “communal infection”, meaning the virus may now be endemic here, as well.

“Holy smokes! What should I do?” is now the #1 question on the mind of millions of people around the world waking up to this.

We are working on even more educational material you can share with those in your life who are late to the coronavirus preparation process we’ve all been on for week. But in the meantime, share these comprehensive forum threads that PP reader ‘dtrammel’ has created from all of our site discussions to-date:

  1. Coronavirus: Home Prep, Deep Pantry & Gardening Megathread
  2. Coronavirus: Medicinals, Herbals and Supplements Megathread
  3. Coronavirus: Sanitation, PPE and Self Quarantine Megathread
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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:18pm

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    ivah

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    Slovakia - another naively unconscious European country

    Today I listened to a Slovak radio interview with a female director of a website on health topics and a Slovak journalist abroad (they didn’t say in which country) (for those who understand Slovak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhyFzTycDIg).

    I don’t know which medical school in Slovakia the health website director frequented but the summary of the disease caused by this coronavirus was pretty ridiculous: 80% have symptoms milder than a flu and if you don’t make a test you will never know it that you had it (what happens to the remaining 20% is not really specified). So it’s alright to relax at home, no need to call ambulance, make yourself a good tea, sweat it out and that’s it. Don’t come too close to people who cough or sneeze (1 meter distance should be fine), and you are fine. If you run to pharmacy to get yourself a mask, that’s a sign that you panic. No mention of aerosols, symptomless spread, long incubation period, virus surviving on surfaces for days, or ninja tube transfer. Suggesting that it’s dangerous only to people who have already other health problems, like aged people. 

    Then I almost felt like they adored Chinese for they totalitarian approach that made them home prisoners, saying that unfortunately such measures can’t be imposed on free democracies. 

    Even praising Chinese for they improvised “hospitals” in sports halls!! I think they have never watched any footages on the real conditions, where there is no quarantine at all, no doctor or medicines or basic hygienic standards. This generation of Slovaks have forgotten it all about communist regime because their lives have been too comfortable. I bet they wouldn’t like to be infected in China now.  

    Their next question: Should one stock food reserves? Few cans or a pack of nuts can be fine for any case but don’t do it with fear! Anyway, they are already testing a new cure clinically, which will be probably widely used to heal this illness. And this coronavirus is expected to develop into an every-year regular flu which will be vaccinated against. 

    WOW! That was it! Sweet rosa dreams, Slovakia! I don’t want be you when you wake up!

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:28pm

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    FooBarr

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    Things are starting to pick up....fence sitters need to take stock on what's going on....

    Today I just back back from Omaha where my company was hosting our annual training at a big conference center for the week.  Yesterday morning (weds) the corporate HQ sent out a mass e-mail recalling travelers home immediately, prohibiting international travel, limiting group meetings, and encouraging bosses to allow employees to work from home.  The conference organizers begged HQ for one more day of training and so we were released this afternoon (thurs).

    I was planning of hitting Sams Club on the way back home for some more preps but down the street was a Costco and I thought, “hey, why not have a card to both?!”  The Costco lady at the new-customer counter said their computer system has been super slow since mid-morning and it took 15 mins to process my membership application.  I joked, it’s probably all those folks in California waking up, running to their local Costco store and stocking up for the pandemic coming in now that the president is saying everything is under control.  She just gave me a confused look….

     

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 8:45pm

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    Ejohnson

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    Its quick

    I’m an American currently living in southern Germany. On Monday, no one was talking about this except me and a couple folks of like mind. Then Italy truly blew up. On Thursday, everyone in my office was talking about it, my local clinic has masks by the door (take only one!) and flyers up all over with information on Covid-19. Our grocery store was putting out a pallet worth of disinfectant wipes. Amazon.de was out of PPE items that were in stock on Monday.

    Public awareness turns quickly, don’t get complacent if the reported numbers in your country (or neighboring ones) are low.

    Should be fun for us, we get to do a transatlantic move this summer…

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:05pm

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    Desogames

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    I'll keep the spam out of this thread.

    I’m going to keep documenting my experiences with *possibly* covid19 in the other article to keep the spam out of here and keep the news as current as possible. After all i might turn out to be negative. There’s always hope ^_^

    Link: https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-containment-has-failed/

    Meanwhile; on the market. Everything is down. Never seen that before. Literally everything; futures, commodities, FX. The only thing that is up are cryptos, but i’ve stated many times those are a market in and of itself. They do their own thing, before the virus i’ve seen no correlation between events and crypto. But hey, good thing they work as designed right?

    The only thing that mattered is that crypto took a dive last monday with the rest of the market, while gold, silver and the dollar where up. When the markets where caught off guard and we saw a moment of truth; crypto went down with the speculative assets. Such a shame. Maybe in the future tho eh?

    I’m afraid we’re going to have to get through some real carnage before we can have even a meaningful bounce. If it’s not the virus, then it’s the 2nd credit bubble that they blew after the housing market died that just popped. BBB bonds and companies will not survive this, which is another $3,2 trillion down the hole.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:17pm

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    Grayman

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    1st case in NZ - traveller from Iran

    Auckland Hospital confirmed the first case of Covid-19 in NZ an hour ago. The traveller from Iran entered NZ on 26 Feb. From the NZ Herald:

    “The person arrived in Auckland on 26 February and travelled home in a private car,” a spokesman for the Ministry of Health said. “Their family became concerned about their condition and called Healthline.
    “They were advised to seek medical attention and attended Auckland City Hospital emergency department that same day. All were wearing masks on arrival. As a result of the individual’s symptoms and travel history they were admitted and tested.”
    The results of the test were confirmed at 4.15pm today and makes New Zealand the 48th country to have a confirmed case of the virus.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:22pm

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    Grayman

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    NZ Policy on international travellers is... a bit better than many countries...

    There is one confirmed case of coronavirus in New Zealand.
    The person, from Iran, is in Auckland City Hospital
    So far, the Government has conducted 130 Coronavirus tests in New Zealand – they had all come back negative.
    The Government has announced a raft of new measures to combat the spread of coronavirus, including new travel restrictions from Iran.

    The Government will also be bolstering the health presence at international airports and there will be no exemptions for overseas students from China to enter New Zealand, says Health Minister David Clark.
    Speaking to reporters this afternoon, Clark said the Government was “stepping up” its response to preventing coronavirus from entering the country.
    A pandemic plan is in place, he confirmed.
    “The Government’s priority continues to be the health and safety of New Zealanders.”
    Clark said, based on the medical and scientific advice the Government has received, ministers have put in place further temporary travel restrictions covering incoming travellers from Iran.
    “This means people will not be able to travel from Iran to New Zealand and anyone who has been in Iran in the last 14 days will need to self-isolate.

    “This is a sensible precaution. Many airlines have already cancelled flights from Iran.”

    New Zealand citizens and permanent residents will still be allowed to return home, he said, but they will be told to self-isolate for 14 days.
    These restrictions will come into force immediately and will initially apply until midnight, March 3.
    After that, they will be reassessed every 48 hours – the same process the Government has used with the China travel ban.
    Starting tomorrow, health staff will scale up to meet all direct international flights landing at New Zealand airports from Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Thailand.
    “They will be available to provide advice and check passengers – particularly anyone that is unwell or displaying symptoms of concern,” Clark said.
    “These enhanced travel restrictions and an increased border presence add to our existing actions to limit the risk of it entering the country.
    “The situation in Iran is obviously concerning. There is ongoing spread of the disease there, and a large degree of uncertainty about the scale of the outbreak and the ability to contain it.”
    Meanwhile, the Government has also decided not to allow any exemptions to let overseas students from China into New Zealand.
    Universities requested this but the Government’s priority is protecting New Zealanders, Clark said.
    “Allowing thousands of students into the country from China, and guaranteeing they were safely in self-isolation, would have been incredibly difficult to implement and was not a risk the Government was prepared to take on New Zealanders’ behalf.”

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:26pm

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    In Honor of The Honey Badger


    Enjoy

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:35pm

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    Boredom antidotes

    Here at our place in Mongolia we are limiting our excursions out of the home to grocery store trips, (for my wife) to/from the workplace, and occasional weekend trips to the family’s place in the countryside. The Mongolian gov’t has also announced a ban on having school-age children in public places. We’ve been doing this almost a month now, and here’s are some of the things & activities that have been keeping us and our kids from going bugnuts crazy:

    1) Netflix: Yes, we get that even here in Mongolia. It doesn’t have everything you want to watch, but there’s enough there that it’s almost impossible to see all the shows & movies they have (at least the ones that are half-decent). I had Amazon Prime from a free trial (they offer it to me every Xmas season like clockwork) and some of those shows were good while my trial lasted. I’m not a big fan of watching TV, but there’s a place for it and at least Netflix doesn’t have commercials or political ads. The Lost in Space series and Mars series on Netflix were good ones for family watching.

    2) Drawing & Painting: Having crayons, markers, the occasional coloring/sticker book, and a good-sized amount of printer paper handy has been great for our kids, especially my daughter. I spend a lot of time myself with this using my drawing tablet to make my webcomic (Nerd By Northwest).

    3) Reading: I took a fair amount of paperbacks to Mongolia with me last month, but the real lifesaver here has been Kindle Unlimited.

    4) Schoolwork: Schools here are closed but they are showing televised classes each weekday. If schools close in US communities, I expect they’ll do the same with televised or online classes. But have some extra materials too… I use Comprehensive Curriculum of Basic Skills texts for my son and have him finish a handful of pages every day or two. I’m also starting to look into some of the tablet learning apps.

    5) Video games: My wife totally doesn’t get video games (she didn’t grow up with them), but is grudgingly accepting that the kids playing an hour or two a day won’t destroy their brains. Personally I think video games are a marginally better option than TV, as there’s at least some interaction and activity with a video game (especially with our old Nintendo Wii!).

    6) Legos: My kids are playing with these as we speak. Great indoor toy, period.

    7) Board & Tabletop Games: Our go-to’s here are Monopoly and Settlers of Cataan. Occasionally I’ll do a little Dungeons & Dragons for my son and his cousin.

    8) Cleaning: Not anyone’s favorite activity (especially with our kids), but it needs to get done and now there’s a little more time for it.

    9) Cooking: You’re not eating out much if at all, so if you don’t cook this is a good time to learn. Sure food delivery is still an option, but it’s good to build a skill and save money at the same time. We seldom ate out and I like cooking in the first place, but I have used the opportunity to try more new things.

    10) Getting Familiar w/ my new 3D Printer: I brought a new 3D printer back with us last month, and have assembled it and been familiarizing myself with the software and the models. Who knows… at some point I might try creating custom facemasks that can be fitted with filters on the inside (how cool would a Darth Vader facemask be for those handful of times you need to venture out?). 🙂

    11) Wilderness Activities: We don’t stay in ALL the time. When we get the opportunity, we take the kids sledding. Even with other families sledding (in our areas at least), there’s plenty of space to yourself and never need to get near another person.

    There’s other things to be sure, but these are the biggies for us thus far. BTW speaking on TV, one of the local channels aired a Korean pandemic movie called ‘Flu’ yesterday and showed the movie ‘Contagion’ today. I’ll be waiting to see if they have the chutzpah to air ‘The Stand’ for tomorrow… 😉

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 9:57pm

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    SunRae2726

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    Why Doesn't the US Test More?

    This is just my personal opinion and is simply a theory of mine.

    Where do you think the US gets it’s test strips? Sure, the US may not want to find a community outbreak, and so simply does limited testing. However, the bigger problem is where they are getting the test strips to test the coronavirus. The US is predominantly a service country and gets most of its manufacturing needs fulfilled by other countries (like China). Therefore, if the other countries need the test strips for themselves, they definitely won’t sell them to the US. This means that the slow testing could be a matter of the amount of test strips the US can get their hands on. If this theory is true, the actions of the CDC would make sense.

    Thank you for reading.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:00pm

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    Myrto Ashe

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    MMWR - Formal assessment of COVID-19 by the CDC

    A good summary of where the CDC feels we are at right now in terms of what we know and don’t know. There’s certainly no reason to say that there is no aerosol transmission, or that the incubation period is certainly less than 15 days. They still feel some of these issues aren’t proven, but at least there seems to be debate.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6908e1.htm

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:02pm

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    Myrto Ashe

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    Also we have new guidelines for testing...

    …which means we could blow up like Italy any minute.

    Who should be tested? Here are the CDC’s new criteria:

    • Fever or symptoms of lower respiratory illness, such as cough or shortness of breathANDClose contact with a confirmed coronavirus patient.

    • Fever or symptoms of lower respiratory illness, such as cough or shortness of breath, requiring hospitalizationANDA history of travel from China, Iran, Italy, Japan or South Korea.

    • Fever or symptoms of lower respiratory illness, such as cough or shortness of breath, requiring hospitalization, when there’s no alternative explanatory diagnosis, like fluANDNo source of exposure has been identified.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:19pm

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    Grayman

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    1st NZ Patient and the government response

    A reasonable response detailed here with good transparency of information for the public:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119899280/ministry-of-health-gives-latest-update-on-novel-coronavirus

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 10:41pm

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    Myrto Ashe

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    US assessment of China response to COVID

    This thread by Dr. Ian Mackay, who has been saying that we are all going to catch this, with long video by Dr. Bruce Aylward who headed the visit to China:

    https://twitter.com/MackayIM/status/1232803777289146368

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:03pm

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    saxplayer00o1

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    Now it's mainstream....stock up on food and medicine

    Health officials: US nearing coronavirus pandemic

    Marcus said that Americans should not panic but there are things that should be done in order to prepare for what health officials believe to be an inevitability.

    Things like stocking up on food, medicines and other essential items in the event citizens must shelter in place.

    Americans should start thinking of logistical plans for working from home and keeping the kids home from school.

    https://whdh.com/news/health-officials-u-s-nearing-coronavirus-pandemic/

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:12pm

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    Dutch Boomer

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    Lottery

    According to the Dutch CDC you will have a better chance to win the lottery than to catch the virus. Really? I think this stupid line will haunt them in the next weeks after more and more people “win the lottery”

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:27pm

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    Desogames

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    Important info in the other thread!

    I updated the https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-containment-has-failed/ thread with new measurements.

    Long story short to prevent spam; i measured my blood pressure 12 times. There’s a curve upwards and downwards. Same as with the fever.

    The fucking symptoms are intermittant – you have to measure for a long period of time or you won’t catch it.

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:32pm

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    Nairobi

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    Huge story flew right under the radar.

    While the whole world sat entranced by the Coronavirus drama that has been playing out in China and across the globe these past few weeks, a precedent setting case has come to a close that could permanently limit freedom of speech in the United States.

    And incredibly, that important decision has gone almost unnoticed by mainstream media sources who barely covered the story. So I thought this worthy of a mention today even though it is off todays thread topic since it’s important everyone understand what has just transpired.

    There has been a landmark ruling handed down by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on February 27th regarding First Amendment rights affecting privately owned online digital and social media sites.

    In the case of PragerU versus YouTube (owned by Google) the court has decided that private companies are free to limit speech and content according to their own internal regulations as private companies are not subject to judicial scrutiny where First Amendment rights are concerned. (Amendment rights are a contract between the people and their government but companies are exempted in other words).

    Although the case was reported by some outlets as suppression of conservative voices, this ruling has much wider implications in the law that could impact both websites and possibly even individual bloggers of any political stripe. Examples of banning certain outspoken people are already widespread on Twitter and Facebook.

    And now the courts have backed the rights of corporate censorship in the US using laws related to private versus public space such that there is no recourse except a Supreme Court challenge or an act of the Federal Government to establish new laws protecting free speech in the digital world of online platforms.

    To be very clear here, Google, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube or any of the other myriad private hosts are now free to ban and or block any content at their sole discretion that they deem unfit for their sites. And there is nothing you can do about it.

    And in case any of you reading this post just had a flashback to Marshall McLuhan’s prophetic phrase “the medium is the message” then congratulations you probably get what just happened since control over free speech has just been delivered gift wrapped with a nice bow to our new media overlords.

    So don’t piss off Google. They just became way more powerful than anybody might have ever imagined. And it could get personal. I think the term “corporate governance” just took on a whole new meaning!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51658341

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  • Thu, Feb 27, 2020 - 11:39pm

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    Grayman

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    Censorship by private companies

    Censorship is just what newspapers have done for 300 years. Just because you write a letter to the editor, it doesn’t mean it must be published. Social media are in the same space as traditional media in this regard. It’s their site, not yours. So they get to say what goes on it.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 12:10am

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    Afridev

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    Why not a pandemic?

    Not sure if this has been covered yet at PP

    This seems to be an interesting take on why a pandemic hasn’t been declared…

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/is-wall-street-behind-the-delay-in-declaring-the-coronavirus-outbreak-a-pandemic/

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 12:10am

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    Ratsny

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    Nz look out - this is total bullshit

    Here we go kids, the spin from NZ. The powers that be apparently either don’t know that this virus is airborne or they are betting most of New Zealand doesn’t know. 2 rows in front of the contagious person and 2 rows behind?!! This is a joke. We’re all fadged. Lock it down.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018736296/new-zealand-s-first-covid-19-case-confirmed-press-conference

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 12:27am

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    Nairobi

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    A dangerous precedent

    Does the post office open your mail, read it and then black out the bits they don’t like? Your mother might do that but the practice ends once we grow up. Maybe you don’t realize that we are all being silenced one voice at a time.

    Alex Jones was banned for example and I never thought he was particularly extreme. Zerohedge has also been permanently banned from Twitter without an opportunity for recourse and they are certainly among the best media sites in America today read by millions of people daily. Chris has recently seen Peak Prosperity demonetized on YouTube depriving him of substantial income for simply offering an objective viewpoint about this current Coronavirus pandemic.

    And now, supporters of Donald Trump may be shut down proving there is quite a lot of politics involved where private censorship is concerned.

    This is not China where a handful of men at the helm of the Politiburo can unilaterally decide what is or is not permitted to appear on any media platforms throughout their closed country but we seem to be going in the same direction albeit under a slightly different model.

    Apparently Alex Jones, Chris and Zerohedge pose such a significant risk to the narratives that they need to be censured, blocked or demonetized to eliminate their messages.

    It’s not OK.

    Social media have risen to the stature of utilities over the past decade and their subscriber numbers and revenues prove it. I do not believe it’s in the public interests to censure at this level since it opens the door to much more widespread muzzling of the public in the future.

    You need to appreciate that even discussing this topic can now be banned. Is that the kind of world we really want? I don’t think any of us would disagree with banning of hate videos like those posted by ISIS in past years or content that is viewed as repulsive by most members of society. One example might be animal cruelty videos which most normal people are disgusted by.

    But banning news content? Come on. We need to do better than that because we are now crossing the line into a form of dictatorship of the few over the the objections of the many. This is a very dangerous precedent that the circuit court has ruled on and the public needs to be aware of what rights they just lost. Particularly in light of the fact this new law is effectively global as all these companies reach to four corners of our planet.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 12:43am

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    dtrammel

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    Yes we caught it

    Afridev, we caught that as soon as it came out, and have discussed it. Its pure BS but then so are pandemic bonds. Really?

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 1:20am

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    Nairobi

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    Ethiopian Airlines continues to shrug off COVID19 fears

    Ethiopian airlines continues flying into 5 destinations inside China despite news stories around the globe confirming a pandemic has taken hold. An Ethiopian Airlines spokesman, Cagnew Fissha explains that they have been told by the Minister of Health in Ethiopia and WHO officials that flying into China is OK and therefore this is not a health issue but rather a business decision.

    Unfortunately for the Ethiopuan public they are dead wrong and in spite of widespread media reports that contradict their positions regarding the risks they continue to claim finding zero cases of COVID19 even after flying tens of thousands of Ethiopians and Chinese directly into Addis Ababa over the past months (including Ethiopian students from Wuhan).

    For those of you who have never been to Bole Aiport you might be very surprised to know that it is literally in the heart of the capital which is highly unusual for international airports.

    As you exit the terminal you do not need to take the typical long taxi ride to a hotel as you literally step out into downtown Addis Ababa and can start walking to your destination or sit down at a local coffee shop on one of the cities main streets. The popular Friendship Center Mall packed with foreigners is barely a 10 minute walk from the main terminal.

    So the proximity of a disease vector could not be closer. I have mentioned Ethiopia a couple times now because I find it so disheartening that one of the most at-risk countries in the world with a medical system on the verge of collapse even during good times is being exposed in this way. Ethiopia is literally at the bottom of the list of nations right next to North Korea when it comes to medical provisioning.

    My suspicion is that the Abiy government is using this global crisis as a pretext to create a domestic emergency whereby they might further draw on IMF and World Bank resources or see their past loans forgiven. They would default in any case but now they have a good reason nobody can argue against.

    It is very cynical. But then the country is extremely poor. Here is Al Jazeeras take from a few days ago.

    Edit: Ethiopias hotly contested elections will be on August 29th this year. Electioneering has already begun ensuring the Covid virus will be widespread by the time voting takes place.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-outbreak-ethiopia-steps-prevention-measures-200222105638378.html

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 1:46am

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    ezlxq1949

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    Covid-19 cure

    Breakthrough: Chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies.

    Authors: Gao J, Tian Z, Yang X.

    Abstract
    The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) virus is spreading rapidly, and scientists are endeavoring to discover drugs for its efficacious treatment in China. Chloroquine phosphate, an old drug for treatment of malaria, is shown to have apparent efficacy and acceptable safety against COVID-19 associated pneumonia in multicenter clinical trials conducted in China. The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future.

    Don’t confuse hydroxychloroquine (plaquenil) (used often for decades-long treatment of rheumatoid diseases) with chloroquine

    Be careful with chloroquine phosphate: webmd has a long list of unpleasant side-effects. The problem with vision loss seems to arise with long-term usage. The Chinese article refers to the drug as “cheap and safe that has been used for more than 70 years.”

    Another possible source of supply: https://aquariumstoredepot.com/products/chloroquine-phosphate
    Never would have guessed this one. Allegedly 99% pure, but is it?

    For dosage:

    Expert Consensus on Chloroquine Phosphate for the Treatment of Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia from COVID19

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 1:52am

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    Nairobi

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    Thanks Afridev! Good sleuthing

    I had not seen that article you posted on Pandemic bonds but it certainly helps connect the dots on the mystery of why African nations (impoverished countries that would have benefitted) have seen so few cases of Coronavirus. So now we await July when the bonds come due after which time the WHO will belatedly admit the world is in the grips of pandemic. I just knew there was a money interest at stake and now we have confirmation it’s a half billion dollars of derivatives and bonds on the line. And that’s obviously why this term “pandemic” needs to be suppressed between now and then.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 2:53am

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    Desogames

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    Small update

    I’ll just post this here. I have recieved a call from my doctor.

    They can’t do anything for me because i don’t have a SUSTAINED 38+ temperature which HAS to be recorded RECTALLY. They do not care that i have video evidence of me having fever. They do not care that i can’t get the damn thing in my butt fast enough or that fever dissapears when i move.

    I spent 5 minutes yelling at the poor woman but there’s little left i can do. I call the emergency number if i have to. her response? “well that’s on you”. She also wanted to just keep it brief because “she’s got alot of people to call today”.

    Appearantly it’s not good enough for her that i use the same thermometers they use at airports and i aimed it at the back of my throat to get a better core temperature, instead of my forehead. Will update when there’s something to report but i feel like i’ll have to yell alot more before anything gets done.

    Now watch me test negative after all this is over. That’s just my luck.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 4:56am

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    gyurash

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    Solano County not a mystery

    The Washington Post has an interesting story about a whistle blower.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/
    The gist: Send health workers to assist arriving possibly infected people without any preventive precautions. Then send them all home.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 5:33am

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    Sparky1

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    Wall of Shame: Austrian teenagers, media ridicule poor elderly man in PPE shopping to prep for Covid-2019 amid outbreak

    Austria now has two Covid-2019 infected cases, one of an elderly man in serious condition. YouTuber Survival Lily posts this video in disgust re: teenagers and media ridiculing an obviously lower-income elderly man wearing a face mask and goggles while shopping for emergency supplies for possible lock-down.

    Austria’s media ridicule old man who bought emergency supplies while wearing a full respirator

    https://youtu.be/Lg2sfyPqZko

    The two Covid cases are located 30 minutes from Lily’s home.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 5:58am

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    thc0655

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    Aesop’s on-the-ground report from Orange County, Kalifornia

    https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/02/my-end-of-stick.html?m=1

    There will be no ICU care if this goes full pandemic.

    None. Nada. Zip. Niente. Bupkus. Zilch. Zero.

    We fight for 5 beds/night in a busy trauma center, now, every day.
    We routinely hold 1-4 ICU admits and 5 or more telemetry admissions all night long in the ER (making ER care that much harder to get too, for those sitting outside trying to get in – and that includes ambulances – sh*t rolls downhill), hoping that some patients either improve (and get downgraded) or else simply move to the morgue, in order to open up beds after morning shift change.
    Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn’t.

    When it’s really bad, we go on diversion, dumping all ambulances onto the other hospitals in the area.
    Until they choke and close too.
    Once everybody closes, everybody’s open again. But there’s still no beds, so they sit on a gurney, in the hall, for as long as it takes. Hours, even.

    Add on 10-20 WuFlu victims/day/all of 2020, at least 1/3 to 1/2 of them needing admission, possibly ICU beds, and ventilator support, times every ER you ever heard of, and you can cancel Christmas.
    Literally.

    If you’re not at least ICU sick (the only thing worse is Forest Lawn sick, btw) when you come in, you’re probably never going to get a hospital bed.

    The beds we have will be used to try and save those almost dead.
    Anything less is going to get re-routed to some half-assed minimally-staffed mega-disaster-plex, someplace like Angel Stadium, the Pond, or some other huge parking lot location closed for the duration because of public infection risks. Staffed by who-knows-who. Retirees and kids, if they’re lucky. Maybe military and the Notional Guard, if they’re screwed into it. Possibly nobody.
    And run with the same management care, expertise, and diligence that gets you the Post Office, the DMV, and the TSA, 24/7/365. Good times.

    If this gets that ugly, go long on shroud and bulldozer stocks.
    Short sports franchises, theme parks, airlines, and resort hotel chains.
    Think the travel industry starting on 9/12/01.

    “Happy Hunger Games! And may the odds be ever in your favor.”

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:16am

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    phoenixl

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    Forest Lawn sick

    For those of you who don’t live in Southern California, Forest Lawn is a cemetery.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:19am

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    Maryland cases (?)

    Not sure if the radio station I listened to this morning is ahead of the news or just misquoting it. The announcer said Maryland now had 2 cases with the coronavirus and a third person being tested. Below is what I found reported in the Baltimore Sun, however. Maybe confirmation is still lacking?

    Gov. Larry Hogan said Thursday that two more Marylanders are being tested for the coronavirus that has sickened more than 80,000 people globally.

    Officials expect results in the next two or three days from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, where the samples were sent. The state lab does not yet have the ability to test more quickly here, but officials say they might gain kits and approvals as early as next week.

    A third person in Maryland is being questioned to determine whether there is cause for testing. Criteria generally have included travel to infected countries or close contact with an infected person.

    Two others in the state have tested negative since the outbreak of the virus, called COVID-19, began earlier this year.

    and

    For now, Hogan said, the risk remains low.

    He asked Marylanders not to panic but to be prepared for more infections, school closures and event cancellations and to work from home as conditions change.    (source)

    Why is it that every other country in the world can run dozens, hundreds or thousands of tests a day but the US has a backlog of “2-3 days” and a month after this issue became obvious to anyone with half a brain that most states still can’t run test with the thin promise that maybe, just maybe, if they are really good and don’t want to test too many people they might possibly be allowed to test a few people……….if there aren’t more delays that is.

    In an effort to jump start trade again maybe the US should send the samples to China for testing! China obviously has a huge testing capacity that is going under utilized now that the outbreak is under control there and case numbers are dropping faster than the stock market.  The US Government also knows that China has expertise in tailoring results to whatever suits the government narrative! Globalization in actions… (disclaimer – this last paragraph comes with a heavy dose of sarcasm)

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:31am

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    isjrb029

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    Today's Video

    Chris as always you and Adam are much appreciated. One thing I noticed on the video today or I think would be helpful is to add some dates to the data on the countries that are showing up with larger numbers. Like when they had their first case and how it jumped daily until the larger numbers show up. If you were to take South Korea and Italy as an example. To visually see how they start out with low numbers and then suddenly jump might be very helpful when you are trying to explain to people what is going on. Thanks again.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:48am

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    Says it all...

    As of Feb. 26, CDC had performed a total of 445 tests. For comparison, the UK, with a population five times smaller than the US, had conducted over 7,000 tests. (source)

    So, the UK is testing at just over 80x the rate (per capita) as the US. Almost as if they are seriously trying to combat spread of the virus….. In the meantime, the CDC of the US looks like the Keystone Cops of global heath care. The serious professionals within the CDC must be mortified.

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 7:11am

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    km64

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    Fellow Prepper

    So, last night I was rounding out some items for my get home bag. Stuff I had before my divorce and thought I had, but don’t anymore.

    I’m walking through walmart, and come upon an unattended shopping cart with, plastic sheeting, 5 gallon bucket, 6 bottles of hydrogen peroxide, and a bunch of other things.

    Saw the guy looking for stuff, and I remarked to him, “so, preparing for the pandemic.” He just sort of smirked and didn’t say anything.  Told him about the toilet seats that fit over the buckets were in the camping section. He said thanks.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 7:22am

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    km64

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    AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness

    Just saw this… surprising that it’s in the news at all.

    https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 7:38am

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    saxplayer00o1

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    Beijing reports 40% rise in food prices as coronavirus expands

    Beijing reports 40% rise in food prices as coronavirus expands

    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3882906

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 7:43am

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    ariantes22

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    Compare it to South Korea

    Between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m. on 2/28/2020, South Korea tested 10.227 people…

    http://www.mohw.go.kr/react/al/sal0301vw.jsp?PAR_MENU_ID=04&MENU_ID=0403&page=1&CONT_SEQ=353241

     

    One of the reasons why the US isn’t testing is, that they want to use their own test. In Europe, many hospitals use the Qiagen test, which while still being in final testing, works just fine. The missing testing is more about finding things like how specific and sensitive the test exactly is, and how much virus needs to be in a sample to give a positive result.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 7:54am

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    Class trip to Italy - sick and quarantined

    My kids HS senior trip was to Italy, and they got back on Monday for the start of classes.  She didn’t go.  Now one kid from the trip has been quarantined.  It’s getting real.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 7:54am

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    Desogames

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    IMPORTANT

    I’m home again. I rode my bicycle to the emergency room. I told them i had several symptoms of Covid and i should get tested. i told them i tested an oral temperature of 38,5C and a rectal temperature of 37.8C.

    BUT BECAUSE THATS NOT 38C+ RECTAL AND BECAUSE I HAVEN”T BEEN ABROAD, THEY WILL NOT TEST ME!

    I have called the house doctor yesterday and today, multiple times. I got through the assistant a few times and through the doctor but both say exactly the same thing:

    Because of policy, we cannot test you at this time.

    I called the GGD (mental health service) that’s dealing with this shit, calling the help desk because appearantly even the doctors have to. I’ve been shot down twice, a third time they tried connecting me through to somebody, the connection dropped, i got back to the original number, she asked “what is your question” EVEN THOUGH I JUST CALLED HER and because my symptoms didn’t line up, i didn’t get put through a second time. There’s nothing they can do for me.

    The emergency room at the hospital told me to call my house doctor. I did, even the emergency line, but even the 2 times i called the emergency line, they told me i didn’t have an emergency and i needed to go through the regular number.

    So now i’m home again. I rode home without a mask. If nobody wants to believe me this society can go fucking die as far as i’m concerned. I have gone above and beyond the call of trying to get tested.

    So now i’m home. I’ll let you guys know when/if i ever collapse. But that’s it. Game over.

    Until the RIVM guidelines change, i *cannot* for the life of me get a test.

    Please, PLEASE somebody let Chris know (dunno where to send this so he gets it for sure). I’m authorizing the release of the full extent of this story. Because the people deserve to know.

    AGAIN! i DONT KNOW if i have covid19. What i have noticed: Fatigue, dry throat, dry cough, fever, muscle aches, my lungs feel like they’re fire at times (no clue what thats called), a little bit of diarrhea since today (don’t worry i taped off my building’s vents long ago) that smells just awful; reduced eating desire. I have measured 38,5C at the back of my throat and 37,8c rectally (the forehead measurements are STUPID cause i can’t get them above 36,5C BECAUSE MY FUCKING ROOM IS COLD and i think the heater’s broke. I have posted my blood pressure measurement history in the other article (basically my being-sick diary) as well as the video proving my temperature runs up if i stay still and drops when i move(such as shoving a thermometer up my ass).

    All i want is a damned test.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 7:58am

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    saxplayer00o1

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    Idiot of the day.....Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus

     

    WHO declares rest of the world at ‘very high’ risk for coronavirus

    The World Health Organization (WHO) on Friday said that it had raised its risk assessment relating to COVID-19 for the rest of the world to very high from high. China, where the outbreak of the novel coronavirus started, had previously been designated with a very high-risk assessment. There are now more than 83,000 cases of COVID-19 worldwide and at least 2,800 deaths. “What we see at the moment are linked epidemics of COVID-19 in several countries, but most cases can still be traced to known contacts or clusters of cases,” Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO’s director-general, said during a news conference on Friday. “We do not see evidence as yet that the virus is spreading freely in communities.” If that were to be the case, the outbreak would be defined as a pandemic, a definition that WHO has not made.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-declares-rest-of-the-world-at-very-high-risk-for-coronavirus-2020-02-28?mod=mw_latestnews

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:04am

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    annepan001

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    Get well soon!

    It really isn’t surprising that the USA’s numbers of infections are so low. Really hope you don’t have the new virus – look after yourself, stay safe, get well soon, and keep in touch with us here on PP!! xxx

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:07am

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    nordicjack

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    regarding your honey badger

    The animal is far far smarter than the officials running this virus show. Really!

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:08am

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    annepan001

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    Pet dog in quarantine in Hong Kong after testing weakly positive for Covid19

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:11am

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    Desogames

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    Oh forgot to add - Elizabeth Hospital Tilburg

    NOBODY is wearing masks. I was wearing one and everybody looked at my funny. Nobody in the emergency room was wearing masks, no possible way to report without infecting other people, no quarantine zone, no people in hazmat suits. And i walked through practically the entire hospital, cause i entered through the main entrance and had to walk to the emergency room, but i walked in the wrong direction.

    Even when i was sitting outside dejectedly and some ambulance personell came up to me and asked me if they could help. I explained everything, ofcourse they couldn’t. At the end i told em to wear masks but i think they laughed about it when they thought i couldn’t hear.

    Just to remind everybody – This is *the same* hospital as the one that contains *the first confirmed case of Covid19 in the netherlands*. And that guy drove to the hospital too, because nobody can get through the house doctor.

    We’re screwed. We are very very screwed. Every dutchy need to prepare for end times NOW!

    IF THERE IS A SINGLE PERSON IN THE NETHERLANDS WHO GOT THE VIRUS WITHOUT GOING ABROAD HE/SHE WILL NOT BE TESTED UNTIL GUIDELINES CHANGE!!!!!!!

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:12am

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    mntnhousepermi

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    Desogames

    It will be hard for you to get a baseline the way you are going about this.  You will make yourself sick.  Pull back briefly and relax.  Have you read Sandpuppies posts ?  Take a NSAID like ibuprofin or naproxen; go rest;  then you can check vitals and how you feel in general, when it wears off you can take your temperature.  But erratic readings usually mean the readings are suspect so you cant rely on them or get upset about them.  Fevers for this or any other virus dont change every minute.  Which points to problems with the readings themselves, equipment, technique or something else going on, which is why you are not getting health care response.  Also, aiming a temp readn device to the back of your throat is not a reading that has any meaning to any of the health professionals just a regular reading is what will tell you. And when you relax and take, for example the rectal temperature it is fine, which means your tempurature is fine.   Maybe instead of demanding a COv test you should just go into the regular doctor system in your country and ask them what might be causing your symptoms.   But if it were me, I wouldnt even do that, (and I get you would worry if you could also be contagious) .  The thing is, if it were a virus, the Cov or another, it doesnt matter at this point at the home treatment is the same.  You only need medical help if you go to pnumonia.  In other words, if you cant get oxygen.  See SandPuppies posts for how to determine this, he suggests first thing is the NSAID, ibuprofin, naproxene, etc…

    Hot flashes are a real thing, but are not a virus or illness or fever.  Examine why you might get hot flashes.  I am not aware of what causes male hotflashes, but I bet you can research it.  In my household we have had experience with female hot flashes.

    Go easy on your local health clinic personell !  They have alot of hard work to  do right now

    Try to relax and get enough sleep, good food.  Do something you enjoy.  Drink lots of fluids.  Sit out in your garden and get some fresh air.  If you are worried you might have the virus, just stay home and treat as you would a virus, which requires stopping the stress, your immune system will not heal you wiht stress

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:19am

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    nordicjack

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    Re The free speech ruling.. private companies.

    I do not think this means or changes or jeopardizes anything. This is the way it has always been.. However, though, google and other social media outlets will continue to censor.. which they can, but if they censoring results in eliminating the truth -while promoting the propaganda, it will only seal their own financial fate. this will quickly take care of itself. I say at one point not long in the future people will have had enough with google completely .. and that will be their end.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:28am

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    dadzcats

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    Apple reopening 29 stores in China?

    This seems like a big deal if true. Can anyone verify?

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:35am

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    Mike from Jersey

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    Two thoughts

    Two comments,

    One, I wonder if any of the “authorities” who slandered Chris and Adam as “conspiracy theorists” are ready to apologize. That is a rhetorical question since I know it won’t happen.

     

    Two, as a practical matter. If you are going to stock up on food, shop at 9:30 P.M., or a half an hour before your supermarket closes.  At that time there are very few people in the store and casual infection rates would drop. Of course, the cashier has interacted with numerous people during the day, so it is a good idea to use the automated checkout line.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:41am

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    What don't they want you to notice?

    Whenever I see a feeding frenzy on MSM, I wonder what they don’t want us to see.
    Thanks for posting this one.  I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the timing for release of the decision was deliberate.
    Goes right along with Mike Pence getting to censor the medical community.
    Thanks to everyone on this site – keep looking for what they want to hide besides virus stats.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:43am

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    Desogames

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    Alright full history for clarity's sake.

    I’ll post my entire history here; then i’ll go to bed, so there isn’t any confusion (and i really need rest).

    On febuary 10th i had a visit at a mouth hygienist. I think that’s where i got it, because she was breathing heavy and fast as well as sniffeling; she said she had a cold. The flu incubates for 1 day, the cold for 3-5 days. The moment i got home i popped 2 ibuprofen just to be sure.

    7 days later, i start feeling fatigued. I figure it’s just cause i’ve been exhaustively trying to get my friends ready for the end and i do nothing.

    8 days later, i get a dry cough while smoking. I’m starting to get worried, but eh… i’m a smoker. Just hydrate more, right?

    10 days later, yesterday, i start feeling hot. I take my temperature; but nothing out of the ordinary and i quickly cool down. I wait a little while, until i start feeling hot again. That’s the first measurement of fever. I’m using one of these to measure the back of my throat; as it gives a better core temperature then my forehead which changes with the ambient temp (in my living room it’s 20c and my forehead’s 36,5C when i have a fever – if i then go to my bedroom and crawl beneath the covers with clothes on and even wait for it all to warm up – my forehead’s 34,5C because my bedroom is 15C). obviously you can’t do this with infected people but i’m using my own temp meter of this model: https://www.amazon.de/Thermometer-ber%C3%BChrungslos-Temperaturmessger%C3%A4t-Temperaturmesser-Beleuchtung/dp/B01I4TB2IM/ref=dp_ob_title_hi )

    I manage to measure 38c at the back of my throat but i wasn’t fast enough to take a picture. So i measure again, within 10 seconds, 37,5c and dropping.

    At this point i’ve called the house doctor when they open at 8. I get the assistant. She asks if i’ve been abroad. I say no. She says i’m not eligable for testing. I argue the rules are stupid. She argues it’s policy. This goes back and forth for a while until she gets annoyed, tells me my housedoctor/GP will call me back.

    House doctor calls few hours later, asks whats wrong. I explain the entire story again,  And she also cites policy. More arguing, in the end she will not budge from policy. But she gives me the GGD helpdesk.

    I call them. I talk to them, they refer me to the RIVM website. Site says call your housedoctor. I told em i did but i got refused a test, nothing more they can do. I go to bed out of frustration.

    wake up again round 22:30 last night. Feel fine when getting up but that soon ends. From ~midnight onwards symptoms start getting worse. I manage to record the video i’ve posted along with other medical info here: https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-containment-has-failed/

    Yesterday afternoon (after the back n forth with the house doctor) i also recieved a pulse ox meter that was in the mail as well as a blood pressure meter. Readings are in the other article.

    House doctor opens at 8, call them again. Assistant puts me through right away, doctor says i *have* to prove 38C rectally or i won’t be tested. So far at this point rectally i’ve tested 37,0 – 37,2 multiple times, but also 37.5. Not high enough at this point.

    I wait a while. I start feeling more shit. Symptoms come and go and my chest burns. Whatever it is though it’s not a severe case, but it is seriously unpleasant.

    I’m not sure it’s hazy at this point, but i think i called the GGD one more time. I also called my parents but that’ll stay private ofc ^^

    Symptoms get worse. I decide to go to hospital because i need help. Before i go, one last measurement, 37,8C. I call up the emergency line of my housedoctor, and i get told i need to use the normal line cause this isn’t an emergency. So i do.

    I ask them to tell the doctor i’ve got 37,8C. The assistant tells me i do not match the symptoms as in the RIVM guidelines so she won’t do anything.

    I decide to get on my bike and drive to the hospital with a mask and a bag of stuff just incase they do quarantine me. I walk through the entire damn thing cause i couldn’t find the emergency room from the front entrance. Before leaving home, i had to go to the bathroom, and i had diarrhea as a new symptom. Though that hasn’t recurred yet, so.

    Also – Not a damn soul in the entire hospital is wearing any mask. But they sure look at me funny.

    I reach the emergency room and >stand in line<. Luckily only one person infront of me. I’m sweating profusely at this point because my mask isn’t ment to filter outgoing air and i’m hot, but whatever. They tell me (no joke) that if i have the symptoms of covid, i should call my house doctor. I told them i did so multiple times but she refuses to test me. They refuse to admit or test me as well on this basis.

    After i make a slight fuss and remind them at a high volume that if i have covid and take off the mask, everybody in the room becomes infected, but they don’t really seem to care. A “colleague is called” who hands me a scrap of paper with the help desk for the GGD (oh boy here we go again).

    So i go to outside; in the cold and rain in an isolated place so i dont infect anybody. I call the GGD. By some sort of miracle i get put through to somebody else. I explain the entire story again, i get put through to somebody else. During this connecting, something might’ve gone wrong, because i got connected back to the helpdesk i just came from.

    I mentioned my symptoms again and that i haven’t been abroad, and i don’t get tested. I call my house doctor again, i can’t even get past the assistant.

    EDIT: I forgot to mention i also called 112 (our 911), begged the guy to listen (which he did thank god) and asked him to put me through to somebody who cared. He put me through to the GGD helpdesk i came from and went to after.

    NOBODY cares about ANYTHING ELSE except the fucking rules. IF YOU DO NOT MATCH THE GUIDELINES EXACTLY YOU DO NOT GET TESTED.

    I have called my house doctor multiple times. The times i get through the assistant i just get reminded of the rules by the doctor. I’ve burned those bridges too because they say “well we’ve explained the policy to you sir and there’s nothing more we can do now”.

    I have used every trick in the book. Calm explanation, throwing data at them, crying, being (very) angry (they don’t like that BUT GOOD GOD WHEN ELSE AM I GONNA GET THE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY), *even begging*. Seriously, cry begging because i had nowhere else to turn. “i’m sorry sir, that’s policy”.

    I even sat down outside the emergency room, couple of ambulance people walk up to me (without masks and i had taken mine off to call on the phone). They ask if they can help me, i respond snarkely, they are offended, i apologize, explain everything again “i’m sorry sir i don’t think we can do anything for you” YES NO SHIT SHERLOCK fucking useless piece of shit. Why do you think i didn’t wanna talk to you in the first place?!.

    Gah. Anyway. I ended up going inside to warm up. I sat by the entrance for a while with my mask down cause it’s fucking hot and if nobody listens and everybody laughs at my mask they can just go die. Because really i’ve had it.

    Anyway after i warmed up i rode my bike home and that’s it that’s pretty much the entire story. You can read up on the other article to get a live update from when i caught what (with lots more info).

    So we’ll just say it again because it doesn’t seem to get through to anybody. I have similar symptoms to covid but i don’t know if i have covid or not that’s why i need a test. I’ve not been abroad, and i cannot say >for sure< that i’ve been in contact with somebody else who’s been abroad.

    But the person who supposedly infected me works with a *lot* of handicapped kids and people. I’m one of them; after all i’m autistic but nobody seems to care about my commnuication disorder either.

    I *have* been asked stupid questions like “Are you sure you’re “normally” occupied with this? that you haven’t been reading too much online?”.

    That’s it that’s the whole story. Nobody here is prepared for this thing. Not even in the slightest.

    EVEN IF I DON’T HAVE IT! I just don’t know and can’t tell for sure. That is my issue. Not whether i have it or not. Because i cannot say i don’t have it.

    I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, *not a single person* has given me advice or help to fight any of the symptoms. All they can hear is “covid test”.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:54am

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    Nairobi

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    Welcome Barb.

    You got it Barbara. Glad someone else here sees this for what it is. Zerohedge did give the story coverage incidentally. But deeper analysis of this case in the wider media has been very, very thin so far and I imagine it will remain that way.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:01am

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    How?

    I say at one point not long in the future people will have had enough with google completely .. and that will be their end.

    Care to explain how that will happen?

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:01am

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    Vilbas

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    I’d say shop when they first open so that an entire day’s worth of shoppers haven’t passed through leaving their germs behind. Also, you have to touch those self checkouts, so, they will probably cleaner in the morning as well. Hard to avoid germs at the store but I think going in early is at least nominally better than going at the end of the day. Either way, do go when it’s not crowded.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:30am

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    humbleservant

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    Sacramento Bee explodes with Wuflu - state workers no pay?

    Hi and first off me and my wife (long time respiratory therapist – thank God now retired) want to sincerely thanks Chris and Adam for this site and your daily videos. Also all the contributors!! I was led here by Michael Shedlock (MISH) who I’ve been reading regularly since 2007 after Ron Paul awakened me from my life-long slumber. I work near Sacramento and today the (recently declared in bankruptcy) Sacramento Bee front page was practically all Wuhan Flu although it was downplayed. I’m attaching SacBee pics as it was related to yesterday’s (2/27) Cali update. Same old same old…Governor says (and I quote) “the risk to the public remains low” and he is also interestingly strongly noting the State (as UC Davis did yesterday) only has a small amount of test kits (aka it’s not our fault – and perhaps it’s not). But the duopoly messaging is strong to strategize how to blame the other party in the future (imho). The other dualopoly lead man who says “we’re ready for (and I double quote) “”Anything””….”. American exceptionalism perhaps at it’s zenith as described in the Fourth Turning.

    In one of the attached screenshots, the State (with all that it knows and acute awareness of global information, the risk and global pandemic) already messages that State workers will not be able to skip work for the virus beyond their allotted sick days. We’ll see how that turns out as the CA state union is quite powerful….

    btw my wife also has a degree in Nutrition (from Sacramento State) and in addition to all the great information from folks on this site wanted to add that staying hydrated daily is very important as a preventative measure. We often don’t realize we’re dehydrated until we REALLY are. Passing along in case it helps anyone….

    Thanks again for preparing us and giving us proper perspective. God help us all with what has been unleashed. My wife and I continue to pray for the best outcome possible.

    G and V

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:34am

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    Matties

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    Tonight i will hydrate

    Tomorrow some more shopping for food.

    But sometimes you need to take the edge of it.

    Cheers…

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:42am

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    kunga

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    Dehydration check

    Pinch up skin on back of hand. When you let go it should immediately recover to flat with no elevated  wrinkle remaining.  Medical professional, please confirm.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:51am

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    Covid & Dogs (or cats)

    Pet dog in quarantine in Hong Kong after testing weakly positive for Covid19

    Anne, dogs have a type of corona virus that they get. First identified in 2003

    https://www.avma.org/resources/pet-owners/petcare/canine-respiratory-coronavirus-faq

    Q: What is canine respiratory coronavirus?

    A: Canine respiratory coronavirus (CRCoV) is a group 2 coronavirus. It is genetically related to the bovine coronavirus (which can cause respiratory infections in cattle) and the human coronavirus that causes the “common cold” in people.1,2 CRCoV is NOT related to the group 1 enteric coronavirus that can cause diarrhea in dogs.

    Q: Where does CRCoV occur?

    A: CRCCoV was initially discovered in dogs with acute respiratory infection in England in 2003.1 This virus commonly infects dogs in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Greece, Italy, and Japan.3-6 Recent studies have shown that CRCoV is also present in the U.S. and Canada, where about 50% of tested dogs had antibodies to the virus, indicating past infection.6,7

    Q: What type of infection does CRCoV cause?

    A: CRCoV can cause an acute respiratory infection, and is part of the complex of viruses and bacteria associated with canine infectious respiratory disease (CIRD) or “kennel cough”. CRCoV infection alone can cause CIRD, but also occurs in co-infections with other canine respiratory pathogens such as parainfluenza virus, adenovirus, distemper virus, herpes virus, influenza virus, Bordetella bronchisepticaMycoplasma spp, and Streptococcus zooepidemicus.

    If I had to guess, the current rushed test for our virus may be giving a false positive from the dog virus.

    Or its street contamination. Dogs putting their noses where they shouldn’t. From the original article:

    A low level of the virus was found in the dog’s nasal and oral cavities, and officials now plan to run more tests to see whether the dog is actually sick or whether the test results were skewed by “environmental contamination of the dog’s mouth and nose.”

    I volunteer at a local pet shelter. I need to talk to them about the possibility of a huge influx of abandoned animals if this gets out of control. Not sure what we can do though, we’re stretched thin as it is with the normal number of strays.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:10am

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    sulldog

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    Chloroquine as anti-viral drug for Coronavirus?

    There is some news out there that says Chloroquine could be an affordable and effective anti-viral drug for Coronavirus. It could be easily obtained from a Canadian pharmacy online which would be way cheaper than getting here in the US but you would need a prescription.  Has anyone looked into this?

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:25am

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    nordicjack

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    Deso Id forget the medical community help

    I have had such poor experience with the american medical community.. they only harm you – you are much better off pretending there was no such thing as doctor or hospital. to me they do not exist. Except to be like mechanics.. they can peice you back together after a traumatic accident. if you get hit by a bus.. please go.. if its for illness.. dont waste your time.. any help they offer is not help you need or want.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:33am

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    Matties

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    Re : Desogames

    If needed i will come to help. I do not care so much about Corona. If people stop being civilized then they stop living. Pray and take vitamine D. I will do that.

     

    Photos: Black Leaders Pray for Trump at Black History Month Celebration

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:46am

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    Ratsny

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    Another avenue

    I wonder Desogames

    How about trying to track down the dental hygienist you think passed a bug on to you? Maybe they are sick enough to be tested? Just a thought.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:59am

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    Desogames

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    Thanks but

    Don’t come near me. Save yourselves because the system sure as shit won’t. I’m not joking either we are NOT prepared for this in the slightest over here!

    They where even planning on CLOSING the emergency room in one of only two hospitals serving 200k ish people upcoming may. You can’t even go there anymore unless it’s for heart trouble.

    We seriously have no concept of “emergency” room.

    The dental hygienist is a shot but i can’t go around asking people their travel history. She wasn’t Chinese. And she’s a hygienist for the mentally handicapped. Not exactly a descriptive bunch. Socially i’m just as retarded, i just have an extreme logical intelligence that seperates me. But still a deathly fear of a drill in my skull dontchaknow.

    Anyways i came back cause i was talking with my friend from hong kong, described the >intermittent< symptoms and he straight up said “A people I know have similar symptoms like u..The fever come and go constantly..And he is in Wuhan…But he recovered now,he didn’t even get the chance to hospital,he has been self quarantine all the time.”

    Trust me until policy changes, nothing i will do matter. You don’t understand. The dutch bureaucracy is the strongest in the world.

    I would rather, without a doubt, trust an SS Nazi Officer to betray his rules sooner then your average dutch receptionist.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:00am

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    Mary Critchley

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    dehydration skin test?

    It rather depends on your age whether this is a good test for hydration, I think.  Elderly skin won’t bounce flat immediately even if the person is well hydrated.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:04am

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    rampedup

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    Elderberry may cause cytokine storm in Covid-19

    I read an article a couple weeks ago identifying the 2 particular cytokines that are responsible for creating the inflammation, pneumonia, and death. They are IL-R2 and IL-6. If you can repress these two, you have a much better chance of avoiding serious complications from Covid-19. I’ve found studies on PubMed regarding Vitamin C (high dose) and it’s ability to reduce both IL-R2 and IL-6. Curcumin (found in Turmeric) also has the ability to reduce IL-6. I’m not saying you should buy these things but that they seem promising in the fight against Covid-19.

    VITAMIN C – Suppresses IL-R2 & IL-6 and Protects Endothelial Cells
    Nutribiotic Sodium Ascorbate Powder, 2.2 Pound https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000I4DOVU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_W6ItEbZKHNY7W

    CURCUMIN – Suppresses IL-6
    NOW Supplements, Curcumin Phytosome, Bio-Enhanced Turmeric Extract, 60 Veg Capsules https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004AC0676/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Q8ItEbEBP73CM

    SILVER – Antiviral & Antibacterial
    Sovereign Silver Bio-Active Silver Hydrosol – 4 Fl Oz https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000OA6Z6O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_h-ItEbSMSGVY7

    I know several people swear by Elderberry syrup. I would NOT use that if I suspected I had Covid-19. It significantly increases IL-6.

    ***DISCLAIMER – THIS IS NOT A CURE. FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY***

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:04am

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    Another possible Canadian case in Manitoba

    Ill passenger removed from plane at Winnipeg airport with possible case of novel coronavirus

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:07am

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    Nairobi

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    Since I could not get any N95 masks I settled on the next best thing which is a 3M half mask respirator. These are still available in plenty.  Its actually a pretty nice mask for getting a perfect seal around nose and mouth but it does look a little scary. Not to be deterred, this ain’t no beauty contest so whatever it takes will be done. I doubt I will use it often but if there is ever a day I need to take someone sick by car to the hospital I guarantee I will be wearing this beauty along with a nice sealing clear goggle set. Here it is….beggars can’t be choosers when supplies run down to zero.

    https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B007JZ1N00?tag=duc12-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:15am

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    Nairobi

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    Forget Elderberry. It may be hazardous.

    Just as I have been saying. Elderberry is off limits in this specific situation. It can magnify your condition and actually pose a health risk because it stands to make things worse. But other posters keep arguing.

    It’s your life. Do as you please.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:18am

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    Protocol shift

    So I’ll repeat a question I posted previously elsewhere:  At what point in your dealing with the virus do you shift from prevention- like taking elderberry syrup, to cytokine storm avoidance- delete elderberry, increase NAC, turmeric, and Vit C?  Or maybe just skip the ‘berries and load up on the others?  Aloha, Steve.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:33am

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    zza

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    Message from Billy Eduard Alber Meier and the Plajaren:

    URGENT: To ALL Hospitals, Don’t Pretend – PREPARE

    The Plejaren made clear that:

    • The WHO is culpable for not immediately proclaiming pandemic risk
    • China, US and other countries suppressed truth for political and economic reasons
    • Real number of infections and deaths much higher than reported
    • Actual incubation period up to four weeks to 3 months
    • Hermetic quarantine required, must be much longer than 2 weeks
    • Breathing masks useless, virus penetrates because so small 
    • Disease spread through air, clothing and animals as well
    • Full-body protective suit, breathing apparatus only real protection
    • Asian races initially most susceptible but is spreading to others

    Billy Meier also verifiably forewarned  of precisely these facts, in 1995, and further clarified them in 2003. It should be clear now to any sensible person that, as I said almost two years ago:

    “There’s an uneasy feeling spreading across the land and well there should be, considering all that is yet to come.”

    What Quetzal told Meier – 33 years ago – is even more true today:

    “…there is not too much hope that human beings of Earth will come to their senses and heed your words. This will then be the case only when the prophecies prove to be true or, even worse, have already come to pass.”

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:37am

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    Elderberry discussion

    I think there are nuances here and that this question of stimulating cytokines, vs. a, “cytokine storm” needs further discussion.   I would ask Chris , Sandpuppy, and others to please chime in – especially Chris since I believe mentioned his plan for use of Elderberry just yesterday.

    Cytokines play a role in the first stages of immune response.  There is a difference between cytokines doing their job, and a, “cytokine storm”, which is something that happens in the later stages of infection, as the virus deepens it’s hold.

    Watch this MedCram video starting at 2:00 and read the words on the screen – “IL-12 is a cytokine”;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqZYEgREuZ8

    I very much agree with this MD.. you want your immune system to win the initial war,  If your immune system loses the war, then you are already in trouble, and you are going to get some version of full blown corona virus infection, including lungs.  At this stage, it is probably prudent to not be taking Elderberry, unlike in the case of standard flu.

    Until someone makes more than an overly simplistic argument against it, I will continue to use Elderberry in a prophylactic capacity in the hope that if and when I get exposed my immune system makes quick work of corralling the virus.

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:41am

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    DisappearingCulture

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    A Patient of mine is a U.S. Federal Marshall Guarding the Travis AFB Quarrantine Facility...4 weeks

    I’m looking forward to what he can tell me next week when he is scheduled to return.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:42am

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    Lydia Rising

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    Chloroquine

    I didn’t compare with the prices in Canada but got prescriptions for 5 family members. For two of them a bottle of 25- which is how the pharmacies prefer to dispense it so they don’t have to open and dispense a partial bottle- was covered by insurance for $1 and $15.  Two others whose  insurance wouldn’t pay for it used a coupon from GoodRx with a bottle of 25 tabs costing in the mid $60s at Walmart. Keep in mind the “list price” is in the $400-500 range so the coupon gives you a hefty discount. The other person hasn’t picked hers up yet. Keep in mind if you order from Canada it is going to take at least a few weeks to come. The US pharmacies don’t keep it in stock but they can order it and ours all arrived in 1-2 days.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:54am

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    New Hampshire friend just got quarantined in Germany!

    A friend from our church here in Concord in his mid 80’s has been speaking at a conference in Germany this week. He just found out an attendee there has Wuhu Flu and he will now be quarantined there! Hopefully that will awaken people from their complacency here, at least in our church. My wife and I are getting over minor “colds” and hoping it is Wuhu Flu so it’s behind us, but no testing so we’ll never know.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 12:07pm

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    Mike from Jersey

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    Federal Reserve Statement

    The Chairman of the Fed just issued this statement:

    “The fundamentals of the U.S. economy remain strong. However, the coronavirus poses evolving risks to economic activity. The Federal Reserve is closely monitoring developments and their implications for the economic outlook. We will use our tools and act as appropriate to support the economy.”

     

    My question is: are there really people stupid enough to take any of that seriously?

     

    First, the fundamentals of the US economy are not strong. They are a mess. The main gains over the past decade have been in shale oil, financials and FAANG stocks. A lot of these are not even sustainable.  Some of them are not even profitable.  And some of them (e.g. financial speculation fueled by QE after QE) serve absolutely no legitimate public purpose. Add to that the agonies of flyover America (i.e. most of the citizens), unsustainable private and public debt and utterly incompetent governance you get a mess exceeded only by Europe.

     

    Second, how is the Fed going to stop the transmission of the coronavirus? Are they going to coat each virus with newly printed dollars? How are they going to stop disruptions in the supply chain? Are they going to lower interest rates so as to make parts and products appear out of thin air?

     

    I am outraged that my country is run by such complete fools.

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 12:22pm

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    Sparky1

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    Update: 3M respirators filter cartridges

    After a 20-minute failed attempt, I called back the 3M Technical Division & Safety phone number (1-800-243-4630; select #1 menu option each time for 3 times to get to right area) and was able to leave my phone number for a call back rather than wait any longer. In their defense, 3M is understandably buried with phone calls due to the pandemic. They were very nice and helpful once connected.

    The representative told me that the 3M brand of half-face respirators with the “bayonet” style filter connection receptors are interchangeable. I have the model that Nairobi posted, which came with two pink hard cartridges (#60923). This model will accept the pink soft pancake P100 filters that dtrammel suggested, which are less expensive than the hard cartridges, but will not protect against organic oils and gas vapors. The 3M representative stated that the soft pancake filters (#2091) filter out particulate matter similar to P100 paper/fabric respirators, but are thought to be more effective due to a more secure, tighter fit to the face. These type of half-mask respirators w/filters seem to be more readily available–for now–so I’m going to get more today. I think both dtrammel’s and Nairobi’s plan for use makes good sense. (Thanks guys!)  I did buy chemical goggles to go with my half-mask respirator.

    I’m off to get the pancake filters and more preps, including hand sanitizer (if available!) and Hibiclens.

    (Hibiclens cleanser is supposed to provide a long-lasting (6 hrs.?) protective “glove-like” antibacterial/antimicrobial layer.)

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 12:32pm

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    Jim, just a heads up

    I wouldn’t take elderberry or echinacea or related herbal substances whose purpose is to prevent infection on a prophylactic basis.  They seem to work best when you take them at the very first signs of any infection.  Taking them long term seems to dull the body’s response.  I have no research nor a scientific explanation to back this up but I have noted it from decades of experience.  The body-mind seems to habituate to any repeated stimulus of the same type and dosage, whether it’s exercise, herbals, or whatever.  YMMV.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 12:37pm

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    ao

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    cash is king

    Cash seems like the only man left standing in the markets today with PMs, commodities, equities, bonds, etc. all puking.

    As oft repeated here:

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 12:54pm

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    Desogames

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    Final update for now

    Alright guys i can’t sleep. Add insomnia and loss of sexual drive to the list of symptoms cause i haven’t jerked off in a while and i don’t much feel like it, which is weird since i’m a habitual mastrubater. I don’t fucking care if it’s too much info; everything counts.

    When i’m lying on my back it hurts like hell. I definitely have a fever now, since i climbed under the covers it hasn’t gone down anymore. Trouble breathing on my back.

    I told em i have multiple symptoms “but as long as you haven’t been in contact with somebody from abroad or haven’t been abroad yourself yer fine”. So don’t blame me when a doctor dies cause i infected him. I have done every single bit of effort, went beyond the call of duty to follow protocol. If society doesn’t want to, i can’t.

    If i walk into that office with a mask now they will not take me seriously. Just like in the Hospital. So i will not carry a mask. God help us.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 12:59pm

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    Myrto Ashe

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    Funny not funny

    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1233423437286211585

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 1:20pm

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    Bren

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    Hello.

    I wished to share some relevant data with regards to the weekly activity of Influenza cases. I wanted to observe the rate of its spread as warmer days ensued over the course of the year. I was encouraged by the coronavirus’ preliminary similarity to Influenza in the form of the discouraged rate of spread seen in tropical country of Singapore.
    For example, below is the weekly activity of tested cases recorded in the US during the 2017-2018 Flu season:

    Influenza Positive Tests Reported to CDC by

    U.S. Public Health Laboratories

    2017-2018 Season

    Week #:  A(H3): BYAM:

    2017 43       177  21

    2017 44       247  36 {upward inflection pt. A(H3)?}

    2017 49      1056  103

    2017 50      1513  173 {upward inflection pt. BYAM?}

    2018 02      3348  537 {presumed peak A(H3)}

    2018 06      2035  931 {presumed peak BYAM}

    2018 10        408  646

    2018 11        277  535 {A(H3) downward inflection pt.?}

    2018 16         86  211

    2018 17         52  135 {BYAM downward inflection pt.?}

    The two strains shown above appeared to be the most prevalent for the highlighted year. I choose the mentioned year’s data set at random from the list provided on the CDC’s website in order not to bias my initial study of the matter.
    I wonder if the US will dodge a bullet as we are in the 8/9th week of 2020’s share of the current Influenza season. The expected 5 to 6 day doubling rate will be taking place as the sun’s zenith in the sky increases with each passing day, bathing the nation’s surface with ever intensifying UV radiation. In addition, a look at 30 year weather averages for the state of Wisconsin, for example, reveal that the coldest ‘month’ lies between mid January and the middle of February – roughly the bookends of the two case activity peaks seen in the flu season cited above.
    Although this hopeful trend may assist us in the near to intermmediate term, I believe the US will likely mimic its experience with the Spanish Flu. The scourge of 1918 faded away in the early Spring only to return dramatically as a deadly secondary wave in the Fall. However, the coronavirus’ resurgence in the Fall may be muted by comparison to the Spanish Flu due to the absence of boat loads of infected G.I.s returning from a World War and the substandard accommodation used to house them in a collective fashion. In addition, the abandonment of trains and trolleys as the primary means of societal transportation will likely diminish the spread of the disease to the regions of the country with lesser populational density as these were the primary form of transmission during the 1918 Flu pandemic.
    Data available at:
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2017-2018/Week39.htm
    This is my 1st post on this site. I hope it serves to inform this important discussion.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 1:21pm

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    Nairobi

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    Sparky my man!

    Right on brother. And you made a fast decision. These 3M masks could easily be sold out a month from now and then…there isn’t anything else unless you are prepared to do some serious spending.

    The nice thing is they are made in America. Mask and filters. I was really happy to learn that. In fact I was so happy I am going to be a 3M shareholder Monday morning.

    We should think very carefully about the companies we support going forward. Some outfits have moved 100 percent of production to China. And now look at our vulnerability.

    Those decisions are now hurting shareholder value but more to the point, some of them have actually put our country at grave risk. There is not much made in China anymore that can’t be done with robotics as a backbone. Let’s bring those factories home.

    Now the reason I am writing this post is because you are buying Hibiclens which is based on a chemical called Chlorhexadine. You might not know but that is typically used as a surgery prep cleaner and its dynamite when it comes to killing bacteria dead.

    The downside is it kills both good and bad bacteria and you probably know our skin and most other parts of our system (GI tract for example) have natural bacteria growing that is beneficial.

    Overuse of chlorhexidine will turn your skin into a barren wasteland of a desert and actually make you prone to dangerous bacteria for which you won’t have defences anymore. So that product should probably not be used too frequently.

    Hope that helps.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 1:33pm

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    Sparky1

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    Pathetic parenting, painful to watch. :-/

    OMG, he’s coughing, holding his young daughter, touching her, her water bottle, then DRINKS from her water bottle and then coughs some more!!!  =:-0

    This is just plain irresponsible as a parent. I hope the news media follows-up on this family. Could be a valuable hopefully nonfatal lesson for others. Freakin’ unbelievable!

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 1:39pm

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    Sparky1

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    Hibiclens use caution

    Thanks, Nairobi!  You said, “The downside is it kills both good and bad bacteria and you probably know our skin and most other parts of our system (GI tract for example) have natural bacteria growing that is beneficial.

    Overuse of chlorhexidine will turn your skin into a barren wasteland of a desert and actually make you prone to dangerous bacteria for which you won’t have defences anymore. So that product should probably not be used too frequently.”

    I didn’t know that!  Thanks for the “heads-up” Nairobi.  I’ll use sparingly, as appropriate and with caution.  Great, informed community here!

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 1:41pm

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    Linda T

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    Thanks and a question regarding denture users

    Hello,

    First of all I want to thank Chris, Adam, and everyone posting. I have learned a lot, already had some preps, but I have been increasing and filling in holes.

    I keep reading and watching videos… but one of the things I wonder about (actually I wonder about a lot of things) hasn’t been answered yet. One of the measures is to keep our hands out of mouth and eyes, but at work I know of several co-workers with partial or full dentures which need to be taken out, cleaned on a daily basis, put in water overnight, and be put back into the mouth the next day. Using disposable gloves? and sanitize the “toothbrush” with hydrogen peroxide?

    I also think about so many people living on a paycheck to paycheck basis. If they need to self-isolate, or their employers send everyone home with no paychecks for an undetermined amount of time, and if they never get called back to work or the business closes for good… If they file for unemployment, state unemployment funds would be quickly depleted. And, in our country right now with the dumbing down of America, I’m concerned most people are not taking this seriously, if it’s on their radar at all.

    Our homeless populations could explode if people get evicted. Or, not, if there are fewer people surviving, but landlords might not their have a long term thinking caps on. I remember reading Dmitry Orlov’s book years ago comparing when our country collapses to when Russia collapsed. They got to stay in their homes. Here, probably not so much. Fortunately, I do have enough savings to last several months.

    Linda

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 2:01pm

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    More on Elderberry...

    You make a very good point AO, and yet, I still don’t think i want to wait until I feel sick in this case.  The intention of my effort is to have the best chance of fighting off the virus if I am exposed such that I am one of the lucky, asymptomatic or nearly so folks.  I think the middle road here is to wait until local infections start to bloom, then step up the immune boosting regime.

    I would be interested in your take on the cytokine issue as well AO,  Thank you, Jim

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 2:26pm

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    richcabot

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    Put the recommendations in PDF format

    It’s very time consuming to screen shot the lists and download a bunch of disparate pages.  Please collect the information into one or a few pdf files for easy download.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 2:29pm

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    Desogames

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    im home again. Final word on today.

    doctor listened to my lungs and did a finger prick blood test. I don’t have pneumonia.

    Doesn’t explain when i lie in bed why i have so much trouble breathing or i’m lighting the fuck up.

    Here’s the deal: I even fell over and was wobbly in their office, but they think i’m exaggerating. There is NOTHING i can do to get tested.

    I have called my GP. I have called the GGD (guys in charge of this). I have called 112 (911). I have called these overnight/weekend doctors now. There where 3 of them. And all of them, every single one, agreed:

    I cannot have covid if i haven’t been abroad, can’t prove i met somebody from abroad, or show a SUSTAINED RECTAL temperature of atleast 38C. So i must be overacting.

    Doesn’t help that i rode through a red light on the way home and ended up on the other side of the road while realising and i’m confused alot. I even lost my own rectal thermometer. It’s supposed to be here somwhere but i’ve looked and looked and completely forgot where i put it, i can’t find it. Only the emtpy packaging.

    I called my parents. My dad says i’m having a panic attack. My mom is relieved they didn’t find anything.

    I honestly wanna kill myself right now. I’m not going to; not for these fucking fools. But i definitely feel like i no longer wish to take part of this world of fake smiles and brainwashed fools who deserve to fall.

    Even when i fell over in the waiting room they where like “why don’t you have a seat until you feel better”. so i told them “why don’t you go fuck yourselfs”.

    Thats it. That is literally it. I CANNOT for the life of me get tested before the guidelines change.

    EDIT: Oh i forgot to mention. The last dumb bitch doctor who measured my lungs (and thus touched my body), afterwards took up position real close to me to yknow, “comfort” me. She was literally less then a foot away from my face. And i told her i was amazed with the fact she didn’t even consider i had covid. She said she did. I told her she didn’t otherwise she wouldn’t be standing less then a foot away without a mask.

    When i left those three fools i gave them all a very, very firm handshake. And they where like “Sure, we don’t make a fuss about that!” and gleefully shook hands back.

    I will see them in hell.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 2:29pm

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    Prep101

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    Free speech: the mock trial against Julian Assange

    On the subject of free speech. The mock trial against Julian Assange has begun. Craig Murray is there to report what’s really happening there. Up until now:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/02/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-1/

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/02/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-2/

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/02/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-the-assange-hearing-day-3/

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/02/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-four/

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 2:38pm

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    Andreuccio

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    Put the recommendations in PDF format

    Instead of screenshots, you can just highlight the blog entry and comments, copy it, and paste it into an MS Word document.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 2:42pm

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    greendoc

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    Rotating anti-virals for overcoming habituation

    You make a very good point AO, and yet, I still don’t think i want to wait until I feel sick in this case.  The intention of my effort is to have the best chance of fighting off the virus if I am exposed such that I am one of the lucky, asymptomatic or nearly so folks.  I think the middle road here is to wait until local infections start to bloom, then step up the immune boosting regime.

    I agree, the time to start immune building is now, pre-infection. No need to deplete your elderberry supply before you get sick by taking it daily. Herbs can work well when combined and rotated in their dosing. Some herbs only meant for acute situations. Echinacea is meant for short term use: 7-10 days usually.

    I have been alternating elderberry, polygonum, andrographis, kudzu and berberine over the last few weeks (in dry and tinctured form), but I am trained ND with background in western botanical medicine.  No specific protocol really. No one has a one size fits all treatment plan for this.  I suggest people look at Stephens Buhners antiviral book and look at some of the protocols he has for acute infection and titrate from their. For prevention 2-3 times a day seems appropriate, people who weigh more should be taking more than someone half their size, etc.

    You really need to consult with a knowledgeable alternative practitioner like a LAc, ND, DC, herbalist, functional MD for individualized recommendations.  These people spend years and years learning the art and science of herbalism, dispensing advice in a forum like this not really appropriate.

     

    Meanwhile you can mix it up with vitamins, minerals, sleep, stress management, meditation, exercise, essential oils, medicinal mushrooms, seaweeds, sauna, massage, avoiding the standard american diet of burgers and fries. No silver bullet, just good foundational healthy practices.

    Claire

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 2:46pm

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    wheresdavid

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    A new case of covid-19 in Santa Clara, CA 2/28

    According to the article, there were details about the patient

    Health Officials Report 3rd Coronavirus Case In Santa Clara County

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 3:10pm

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    Susan7

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    Yes, you need help

    It seems from your rants that you feel the world revolves around you . You need some counseling for sure. Just curious, are you able to complete a sentence without an F bomb?

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 3:34pm

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    Craig1961

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    Elderberry

    If this virus can be asymptomatic for days or weeks wouldn’t the viral load build up to the point that taking elderberry (assuming it is effective at all) when symptoms start would be too late?

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 3:36pm

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    Remember The World Has A South Half Too

    Welcome to the community Bren, good first post, keep them up.

    Although this hopeful trend may assist us in the near to intermmediate term, I believe the US will likely mimic its experience with the Spanish Flu. The scourge of 1918 faded away in the early Spring only to return dramatically as a deadly secondary wave in the Fall. However, the coronavirus’ resurgence in the Fall may be muted by comparison to the Spanish Flu due to the absence of boat loads of infected G.I.s returning from a World War and the substandard accommodation used to house them in a collective fashion. In addition, the abandonment of trains and trolleys as the primary means of societal transportation will likely diminish the spread of the disease to the regions of the country with lesser populational density as these were the primary form of transmission during the 1918 Flu pandemic.

    I just wanted a gentle reminder, the World has a substantial population about to head into Fall and then Winter. While the US, EU and Russia may see a lessening of cases, the countries in the South will make up for that. Wait til this gets into Africa and India.

    Trains have gone away but aircraft are as worse a infection spreader if not more so.

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 3:50pm

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    dtrammel

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    Introducing The Federal Reserve's New M$20 Mask

    Second, how is the Fed going to stop the transmission of the coronavirus? Are they going to coat each virus with newly printed dollars? How are they going to stop disruptions in the supply chain? Are they going to lower interest rates so as to make parts and products appear out of thin air?

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 4:11pm

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    ao

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    Jim, I'm not knowledgeable on the cytokine issue

    But I have used elderberry for many years and have experience with family, friends, and patients with no ill effects of consequence.  If the individual is reasonably healthy and their health is stable (meaning both physically and psychologically), I haven’t seen a problem.  That being said, I don’t care what the treatment is, somewhere out there is someone who will have an adverse response to it.  I dealt primarily with the biomechanical systems of the body but the body is an integrated whole and the biomechanical systems do not function independent of the biochemical systems.  And neither of those systems function independent of the mind.  The mind/spirit trumps all.  That’s why people can have amazing abilities when under hypnotic influence that they would not normally have.

    What I observed over the years is that the less coherent, harmonious, and stable the mind, the less predictable the body’s responses seem to be.  Witness Desogames with his symptoms changing left and right and up and down and then witness his psychology.  Nuff said.  The chiropractors refer to certain individuals who are “switched”.  That is, while most people will have X+ response to an input or stimulus, there is someone out there who has an X- response.  The problem is, they’re often not readily identifiable in an objective and reproducible manner until they have the adverse reaction.

    That being said, elderberry does have insulin like actions and diuretic actions so if one has medical problems where these could be a problem, caution is in order.  Also, I think there was someone here who was recommending using other parts of the plant such as bark and leaves.  That, in my book, is definitely NOT recommended due to potential cyanide toxicity.

    Physiology and responses can be so individual.  Think of a Lance Armstrong heart versus an average person’s heart.  Training is important but the power and influence of genetics is undeniable.  Liver detoxification ability, for example, can vary on the order of 500%, a highly significant factor in determining an individual’s health.

    Personally, I will take my chances with the elderberry.  I probably wouldn’t recommend it to someone like Desogames, however.  I remember treating a young woman with Asperberger’s syndrome and she had very bizarre reactions to things that would be completely innocuous to most people.  I know her mother well and have followed the various treatments the young woman has received over the years with various health care practitioners and treating her has always been, shall we say, a challenge.

    I can’t say for certain but my guess would be that the individuals with no major health issues, good nutrition, stable psychology, good stress tolerance, etc. should, for the most part, do fine.  Someone who has multiple health issues, whose personality is erratic, who might have hypochondriac tendencies, who is prone to constant worry and anxiety, etc. could be a whole different game.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 5:04pm

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    kunga

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    Mail stopped to/from Italy

    Postmaster told me that as of yesterday, February 27, 2020, all mail delivery to and from Italy has been suspended.  Chris may be correct, the virus in Italy is bad.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 5:32pm

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    nordicjack

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    Craig that would be my logic too

    I would worry less about the cytokine part. the method of action is really in the stopping of virus replication – with the long incubation period, what is really happening is it too late – has replication happened by the time you are symptomatic – for elderberry to have any effect.?

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 5:44pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Outrage

    Yes outrage that the country is being run by fools is understandable. However it is not “your” country

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 5:47pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Vitamin A

    https://drhansen.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-update/

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:06pm

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    David Parisee

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    Some good new out of South Korea -Vaccine?

    It is machine translated. I attached the link.

    367 corona patients completed new drug development in Korea… Cured after 7 days and 14 days. Clinical trials completed.
    The plant facility provided to 100,000 people per day was completed.

    It is said that a clinical trial is conducted for corona patients. I don’t want to worry about waiting a little bit.

    ComiFarm Launches Corona19 Pneumonia Treatment Urgent Clinical Trial

    Source: iNews24 | Naver

    http://naver.me/xIdmYCFg

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:36pm

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    Lisa Mooney

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    New presumptive case in Oregon

    At the Healthcare system I work at.

    Before the press conference just now, with OHA and Governor Kate Brown, corporate sent out emails reminding Flu is more deadly, eye roll, and how staying home when sick, washing hands and sneezing into tissues is best defense.

    This will be a hot mess for us Triage RN’s.

    Fever, Cough or Dyspnea… And now anywhere near this County, Who will be tested?

    Only those with severe disease? Or those who test negative for flu? For containment purposes we will need to know!

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:37pm

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    thc0655

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    You’ll be on your own

    http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/02/a-failure-of-imagination-and-of-common.html

    2) The natural consequence of #1, above is that in short order, there will be no more medical facilities that “can handle it”. We’ve covered this here. The internet moves fast; try and keep up.

    ¶ Ten:

    “Yes, you should go out and replace basic supplies you’re out of, plus a little extra – not because society is about to break down, but because you might be stuck in the house for a week feeling like absolute trash and too bombed on cold medication to drive or operate anything more complex than a can opener and a microwave.”

    3) Sorry, but after #2 becomes reality, “a week” of supplies isn’t going to cut it. And once health care goes down in a pandemic, FFS, society is, in fact, in the process of breaking down.
    And then people won’t risk going to work, because they don’t want to get sick. And/or the CDC closes things down, like they’ve already said they will. Public facilities, schools, businesses. But I’m sure the police, fire department, EMS, water, power, gas, telephone service, radio, TV, trash collection, and whatever else you imagine, will be magically unaffected by this, because no one could possibly decide that staying home, healthy, with their families was more important than keeping your fantasies about how society will behave alive amidst a crisis unprecedented in a century or more. Your crystal ball is a bit hazy, isn’t it?

    ¶ Eleven

    “In extreme situations, schools or workplaces may close under the guidance of local government or management – think snow days.”

    4) Um, no. Think snow months. Plural. If TPTB close schools and businesses, over a disease that can incubate for two weeks, perhaps a month, no one’s going to call off a day or three. They’re going to call it off until a month after the last recorded case. Like you do if you got your medical diploma from someplace other than online. Otherwise, you’re just ringing the dinner bell for serial waves of pandemic, and guaranteeing re-infection by some, which at last report, has a wee tendency to cause sudden cardiac arrest and death.
    Now I’m really not feeling fearless and anxiety-free at all. Are you sure you’re a real doctor?

    5) And snow months means that “a week” of extra supplies, once again, isn’t going to cut it. So maybe start talking about two, three, or six months. Maybe all year. Which, as people watch their 401Ks melt down daily, may bring on even more anxiety among the really susceptible-to-this-virus retirees. Don’tcha think???

    ¶ Twelve

    “Again, this is not Hollywood-style “civil unrest” with people running, screaming, and looting while armed officers break up any groups larger than three…”

    6) Oh, really??
    Ever been to Chicagostan? Baltimoronia? Detroitistan? District of Criminals? St. Louis? Philly? Newark? South Central L.A.? Oakland? Anywhere, really.
    I mean, FFS, Chicago has more shooting casualties every year than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ever did, even at the heights of those conflicts (a truth which really pisses OIF/OEF vets off royally when I point that out), and the people there don’t even have Interceptor vests, MRAPs, M-4 rifles, close air support, or any supporting fires, most days.

    Now, doc, have you ever been there (for any value of there) when they’re pissed off?
    Like when the market’s closed.
    Not the stock market; I mean the supermarket. Or supermarkets, plural.

    Or when their EBT cards haven’t been reloaded, because non-essential employees (and a lot of more essential ones) aren’t coming to work to do that?
    Didja figure they’d quietly starve in silence?
    Or do you think they might go “shopping”, with bricks, torches, and machetes?

    What about when the police are running things at 1/2 or 1/3 staff?
    How do you see civil unrest under those conditions, doc? Have we gotten maybe just a wee bit out of your depth of expertise here? Just asking. Nothing personal.

    I’ve been in two, count ’em, two, city-wide riots. And those were little ones, compared to what we’d see in a months-long pandemic with societal degradation. Both of them affected Hollywood directly, BTW. So maybe a bit less pooh-poohing, and a little more shut-up-and-give-your-eyes-and-ears-a-chance-when-you-don’t-know-WTF-you’re-talking-about, if you catch my drift.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:51pm

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    chloecasey

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    UC Davis ICU

    My aunt is very sick (not related to coronavirus) and had to be taken by ambulance to UC Davis yesterday. She does NOT have coronavirus, just a bunch a preexisting major medical issues. My sister said that my aunt (who was intubated) had to wait a long time to get into the ICU because all the regular ICU nurses are in covid 19 quarantine and so the ICU was having to be staffed by nurses from other departments and that was majorly slowing things down.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:57pm

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    Lisa Mooney

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    Wow

    I was wondering which Staff and How many were on home Quarantine. Makes sense it would be the UCC, ED and ICU RN’s. I imagine they will attempt to get travel ICU RN’s staffed up pronto. Although there is not a general RN shortage in most US cities now, There is a shortage of ED, ICU and OR RN’s.

    Prayers with your Aunt Chloe!

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 6:59pm

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    TamHob

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    elderberry

    elderberry has a short half life in the body – why you have to take it every few hours to be effective as a prophylaxis eg https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18040528. Also, you do habituate apparently. So, I am using it as a prophylaxis on days we need to go out in public and will stop if I develop symptoms and switch to other herbs. It seems to normally take about a week to progress to pneumonia after first symptoms which implies that the cytokine storm takes at least a few days to kick in so I figure that the elderberry will be well out of my system by then.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 7:21pm

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    kunga

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    Small town, Oregon

    Hi, Lisa Mooney, sorry to hear of the possible corona case in Washington County, OR.  Second largest county, part of the Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro OR-WA metropolitan area.  I am way over in Harney County, less than one person per acre.  Went for last supply run today, to Burns. (3,000 pop.?) Safeway was well stocked, hardware store was stocked, no customers, gas prices still too high.  No sense of panic or any conversation about virus.  The medical situation, here, is minimal, though we do have a small hospital and public health dept.  I am only one wearing gloves, but I mainly do that to prevent picking up scabies from the shopping carts.  They can’t even get that under control in this county, so little hope for virus control.  My plan is to stock up and isolate on my rural property.  Gear up if I have to go to town.  Finishing dental, vision appointments next week.  Good luck over there on the westside.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:09pm

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    ao

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    why you want to be a meat eater

    This is a round about story.  I was curious and decided to check in on chaga prices, given the corona virus problem and its well known immune system boosting properties.  I’m well stocked up but always on the lookout for foraging opportunities.  I didn’t realize folks were selling whole chunks like this.

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/236337893/1-lb-chaga-large-chunks-mushroom-tea?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_b-home_and_living-food_and_drink-coffee_and_tea-tea&utm_custom1=b1f21750-420e-4a22-89f3-d5b0ba8134b3&utm_content=go_1843970812_75209280132_346398209911_pla-371217082237_c__236337893&utm_custom2=1843970812&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp7GkxOn15wIVEvDACh0dMgQIEAQYBSABEgKdD_D_BwE

    Well, I guess I may be doing a little chaga prospecting this year when I find some spare time.  At $46 a chunk and no labor for processing, an occasional jaunt in the deeper woods can provide some extra pocket money.  There’s a potential problem though.  One remote area that I know has a lot of chaga also has something else.  Wolves.  I’d bring a dog along as a better set of ears with a much better nose but that’s just a potential attractor.  And I’d be armed but really don’t want to shoot one if I don’t have to.  They’re beautiful animals and I have a particular fondness for lupine breed dogs.  But then I remembered what an experienced woodsmen had told me about an encounter he had with some wolves in that area who didn’t show any fear of him, at least initially.  As they got closer, and he got increasingly nervous and started looking around for the nearest available easily climbable tree, he noted that the alpha stopped.  Being down wind, it very obviously scented him.  The alpha stopped his forward movement, looked at him carefully, then broke its gaze, and then moved off in an oblique direction.  The probable reason?  The alpha probably scented that he was another meat eater … a fellow predator … not prey.  The moral of the story: If you decide to go chaga hunting in the north woods, don’t be a vegetarian.  And if you have to deal with wolves, always better to be the sheep dog than the sheep.  I’m stating this with what Tom said above in mind about “being on your own” … because you will be.   I’ve lived through a race riot myself, my cousin was an officer on the Newark, NJ police force during the riots there, and two good friends lived in Hamtramck during the riots in Detroit.  Once you’ve lived through something like that, you never view the world in the same way as those who haven’t.  It changes you.

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 8:54pm

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    spotted turtle

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    homemade masks

    There are numerous downloadable mask patterns on You-Tube for fabric face masks. Use four layers on cotton fabric instead on two. They will provide some protection and are better than no protection at all. They can be washed and dried and come in multiple sizes. Break out that sewing machine.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:31pm

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    yagasjai

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    Respirator Info Question- Half or Full if You Have Glasses

    Thanks to Sparky1, Nairobi, and dtrammel for the info on respirators. I have never used or worn one, so I would like to know if half-face or full-face is better if you wear glasses? I prefer the price of the half-face at this point, however, what are others doing for goggles that fit snuggly over glasses? Part 2 of this question is about using the gas mask for setting up a room in my house where I can ozone things I’d like to be cleaned. If I wanted a mask that I could wear into the room to turn the ozone machine off and open a window, I would want the cartridge style mask, is that right? How long do the cartridges last? How many back ups should you get? I’m price hunting on Amazon and these things would be helpful to know.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 3:24am

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    VTGothic

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    US Testing Ability

    Exactly, Mark! And what gets me is that the US reportedly scored at the top of the class a year or so ago when nations were rated for their ability to respond to such a crisis. It really makes me wonder what criteria were in play. I suspect it had something to do with infrastructure rather than frontline supplies and equipment. We are among the world’s best at creating and staffing bureaucracies, complete with detailed job descriptions and accountability flow charts.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 4:00am

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    VTGothic

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    Well, that's what we should expect.

    We will use our tools and act as appropriate to support the economy.”

    It’s predictable, even if we don’t think it entirely humane, for institutions devoted to propping up the nation’s economy to prioritize keeping the economy going above our concern to protect lives. This is about the 3 spheres balancing act Chris has addressed several times, and the truth is that a genuinely cratered economy will cause more devastation and even death than Covid-19. Think of the consequences for those dependent upon functioning market economy for food, drugs, health equipment – and that’s a lot of Americans!

    I’m not annoyed by the Fed doing what it’s meant to do. I’m taking stock of their structural limitations and planning around them. I’m working on the micro level – me, my family, and my small community; they’re focused on the macro level, that also has to keep going.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 4:30am

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    VTGothic

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    My thought, too

    which is why I like Claire’s suggestion of rotating through various immune building practices. It makes me think of good practices for building healthy garden soil.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:08am

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    Coronavirus found in tears: Chinese study

    Coronavirus found in tears: Chinese study

    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3883037

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:27am

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    David Parisee

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    Update from South korea

    Update from South Korea for Saturday, March 1

    The government has asked us to stay put and not to join any social gatherings such as going to church. On my way to work my nine-year-old daughter commented about how many people were having a stroll by the river near our house.   I also felt that to be quite odd behavior as we are wearing masks inside of our car on the way to the office.

    By the time this reaches you, the confirmed cases have exceeded 3200. People in general are more concerned but haven’t made decisive action yet. This evening I talk to my students mother who lives in Nanjing, China. She has been quarantined in her house for one month and she commented that her city was one of the safer areas in China. Through our conversation I found that she recommended washing clothes at a temperature higher than 56°C for 30 minutes as that will kill the virus. She also stated that the virus can be airborne up to 48 hours. I asked her about open windows is it safe to do that and she responded that her neighbors below her and above her had become infected with the virus and they believe that it came through the windows. She had also told me that all parks are closed, all shopping centers are closed. Korea still has freedom of mobility and I gather it’s just a number of days before we lose that. I’ll have to start thinking about having our office staff work from home as that appears to be the only viable solution if we are to be quarantined like China for a month. She seemed to be in good spirits considering that everything, including sports is done inside their apartment.

    Even though the virus is here, I can’t make the mental jump of quarantining myself inside my house for a month or more. The government stated that this weekend the number of infections will rise dramatically as more tests are being done on the members of the religious cult that has spread this disease throughout the country. 

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:08am

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    New coronavirus cases of unknown origin found on West Coast

    New coronavirus cases of unknown origin found on West Coast

    Health officials in California, Oregon and Washington state worried about the novel coronavirus spreading through West Coast communities after confirming three patients were infected by unknown means

    “This case represents some degree of community spread, some degree of circulation,” said Dr. Sara Cody, health officer for Santa Clara County and director of the County of Santa Clara Public Health Department.

    “But we don’t know to what extent,” Cody said. “It could be a little, it could be a lot.”

    “We need to begin taking  important additional measures to at least slow it down as much as possible,” she said.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/coronavirus-cases-unknown-origin-found-west-coast-69301250

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:13am

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    Virus can live airborne for 48 hours?

    PLU ……This seems improbable. Anyone knowledgeable want to weigh in ?

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:17am

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    Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue calls coronavirus a 'pandemic'

    Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue calls coronavirus a ‘pandemic’

    “If we say there’s pandemic of coronavirus, we’re essentially accepting that every human on the planet will be exposed to that virus,” said Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization’s Health Emergencies Programme, during a news conference on Friday. “The data does not support that as yet.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/29/politics/sonny-perdue-coronavirus/index.html

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    Coronavirus IS a Pandemic — WHO, Declare It Now!

    “Whether it’s WHO declaring the coronavirus a pandemic, or ensuring emergency supplies are readily available globally – the United Nations must step up its actions on the entire outbreak response,” said AHF President Michael Weinstein. “All available assets and proven public health interventions must be rapidly deployed to slow the spread of COVID-19 and protect the frontline responders—because as we’ve seen in past infectious disease outbreaks, like Ebola in West and East Africa—when people and organizations fail to act responsively, thousands of people needlessly die and entire communities and regions are left devastated.”

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-pandemic-declare-now-202700860.html

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:41am

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    karenchantal

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    I think I can say, my feet are really gonna hurt when I come today from work at an online retailer.  This is usually when they give out voluntary time off like candy.  Not today, not today.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:54am

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    karenchantal

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    Not my pug

    Ha, I saw that!  I mega purchased dog food.  But I am not putting a mask on my pug.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 1:05pm

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    Hugh

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    Criteria - WHEN to self quarantine???

    I had planned to initiate my self quarantine plan when the first case of WCV occurs within 25 miles of me.  But I no longer trust that our local, state or Fed governments will give us reliable information.  Considering that the first local case of community transfer means the virus was being communicated up to 21 days prior, and that my demographic exceeds 60 years of age waiting to 25 Miles was somewhat risky on its own.  If you consider the gov plan may be to not test, and thus not have “it” now what criteria might someone use?   Absent new insights herein going to “go ugly early” and quarantine middle of next week.

     

    Chris, could you put a tick box at the top of your webpage that shows the percentage of members who have initiated qlself quarantine?  Obviously each log in can only tick the box once.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 1:24pm

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    Rajkumarijay

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    20%?

    Here in the US the population is approximately 327,000,000. If we estimate if only 10% of the population is infected with the Covid virus that means 32,700,000 folks will be infected. If the figure Trump is touting is correct and only 20% will be hospitalized, that puts 6,540,000 people in the hospital at about the same time. Wow.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 1:59pm

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    Susan7

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    Little more than the flu?

    this is from the New England Journal of Medicine

     

    T]he overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 3:26pm

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    TamHob

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    Re Little more than the flu

    That statement is not as reassuring as they think it is – the SARS 1 and MERS death rates quoted depended critically upon slow spread so most cases received expert hospital/ICU care (there were few mild cases). If SARS 1 had spread like Covid-19 there would have been Black Death mortality levels in Wuhan once the medical system collapsed, MERS would have been Plague of Justinian levels. Obviously, that didn’t happen. However, even if Covid-19 is equal to a bad flu season (with proper medical treatment) the fact that it is spreading so much faster and wider than flu (since no vaccine or immunity) means that peak impact will be worse assuming ineffective containment. None of the ‘just a bad flu’ narrative seems to address the issue of rate and breadth of spread.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 6:12pm

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    wyrldtraveler

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    The quick and the Dead

    Those who keep buying the ‘bad flu’ line are not quick.  They are then in the latter category.

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  • Mon, Mar 02, 2020 - 11:52am

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    Italy

    I have a coworker who lives in Italy near Milan. I asked him lat Monday Feb 24th, what was going on, and he said everything was being blown out of proportion.  I didn’t press the issue. He wasn’t on the call today and I don’t what his status is, except his out of office says he has limited access to corporate communications.

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  • Thu, Mar 19, 2020 - 11:57pm

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    Johnnybuoy007

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    Miraculous Turnaround...fear will be banished.

    ..I say buy stocks NOW !…i AM CALLING A miraculous market turnaround, far sooner than expected…I believe the remedy for the Covid 19 issue will surface suddenly ..overnight….BUY LIKE BUFFET..NOW !

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