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    Coronavirus: Prepare For National Lockdown

    Likely coming as soon as the next few days. Don't be caught unprepared.
    by Adam Taggart

    Sunday, March 15, 2020, 4:12 PM

As the number of covid-19 infections outside China now exceed those within, the masses across the world are starting to panic.

Empty grocery store shelves. Fights over toilet paper. Schools closing and sending students home en mass. Desperate pleas from health workers to stay home when sick unless in truly dire condition.

And this with just 170,000 total worldwide cases (that we know of).

Now, just imagine what the fear factor will be like when that number is 1.7 million. Or 17 million. Or 170 million. Or (and this is possible) 1.7 billion.

Chris predicts that more national lockdowns — as we’ve seen so far in China, and now Italy, Spain, and a fast-increasing number of other countries — are likely to be announced soon.

These will be mandatory quarantines enforced by the police/military.

Most folks are only still just getting their brains around the reality that they’re not going to be able to go to work, or their kids to school, for the foreseeable future.

How many of these are ready for a 1-2 month forced lockdown? Or longer?

Well, we may not have to wait long to see.

In today’s video, Chris runs sensitivities on a simulator to demonstrate how such lockdowns really are the only effective way to “flatten the curve” and reduce the overwhelming of our health care systems.

Lockdowns are no fun and create a host of challenges and sacrifices. But they may be absolutely necessary. This is our generation’s “victory garden” campaign.

So #STFHome and #FlattenTheCurve!

And if you haven’t read them yet, the coronavirus preparation megathreads available for free on PeakProsperity.com are a great resource for preparing for lockdown:

  1. Coronavirus: Sanitation, PPE and Self Quarantine Megathread
  2. Coronavirus: Medicinals, Herbals and Supplements Megathread
  3. Coronavirus: Home Prep, Deep Pantry & Gardening Megathread

If you’re one of the many new readers here on Peak Prosperity, be sure you’re up-to-date on developments with the coronavirus. All of our latest covid-19 video updates, podcasts and articles can be accessed here for free.

And here’s a brief list of the more recent material that Chris and I have published for our premium subscribers, to give you a sense of what’s behind the paywall (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access)

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 5:03pm

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    PhilH

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    SE Michigan

    Major automotive company, all office employees are working from home.

    My non emergency surgery has been rescheduled to May.  Wife's surgery is still scheduled.  Hers is more critical than mine, but still not emergency.

    Grocery stores, completely emptied out.  Daughter manages a dollar store, they had to call police, just to get the truck unloaded.  Walmart, and Meijers (regional store like Walmart), are both closing at night, just so they can restock the shelves.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 5:18pm

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    alanrgreenland

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    All Restaurants and Bars to Close in Illinois

    https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/all-bars-restaurants-to-be-closed-to-dine-in-customers-in-illinois-due-to-covid-19-concerns/

    Same is true in Ohio, according to national news.  Things getting slightly tense here in suburban Chicago.  This is getting real now!  Lots of people caught off guard.

     

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 5:18pm

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    Bren

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    Update from SE Wisconsin/DIY mask media?

    Hello from the North Shore of Milwaukee County (the villages clustered along the NW edge of Milwaukee county within 9 miles of downtown Milwaukee). I wore my N95 mask and Dewalt goggles for the 1st time yesterday as I wanted to purchase Quenretin from local health food stores

    And I wished to deepen my pantry even further as our "Nicolet HS will conduct remote learning from March 16 through April 10, 2020." I share our two teenage children with my former spouse - I cannot recall being able to eat as much when I was their age ha ha ha

    A somewhat important note on the use of the Dewalt goggles, my perspiration marred my ability to see within relatively little time of their use.

    Sadly, I was the only one with any relevant PPE. I got some unsettled/surprised looks, but most seemed to understand. The usual disaster supplies had disappeared from the shelves at Meijer, Target and Whole Check. Black Elderberry and Zinc were sold out in all of them. Thank you Chris for bringing this to my attention weeks ago.

    I have always wanted a freezer. Of course, I decide to finally purchase one this past Thursday. It seems this was day Wisconsinites freaked out! Were there had been an ample selection the day before at our nearest Menards (a regional competitor to Home Depot), suddenly even the floor model was gone. I ended up having to drive to a Menards in the outskirts of the metropolitan area. The salesperson said he normally sells one a month; I, in turn, bought the next to last one.

    DIY potential mask fabric:

    I felt that I should mention this once again.

    I recalled a segment on the show Beyond 2000 about inexpensive tech solutions to water born disease. In the show, researchers had found that folding sari cloth four layers deep filtered tainted water from Indian streams as well as then available portable filters.

    I wondered if a similar arrangement would inhibit the fine particles that host the novel coronavirus in the air.

    At least female preppers would look far more fashionable than their male counterparts with industrial fibers on their faces 😉

     

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 5:24pm

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    NickAdams10

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    Groceries

    Posted elsewhere. I am wondering if Chris / Adam have addressed the relative risk of visiting a grocery store vs. curbside pickup vs. having groceries delivered (assuming that a lockdown does not completely lock down the country).

    I realize that none of those options is attractive, but at some point, I am going to have to consider one of those. We have about 12 weeks worth of food and about six weeks worth of water (that hasn't been a issue so far), and the last two weeks of the food supply are going to be pretty lean. Hungry kids are not fun to deal with.

    We had one final run to Target a few days ago. We did curbside delivery (wore PPE), placed the Target bags into a box in the trunk, unpacked it (wore PPE), and sprayed the crap out of everything with bleach afterward. Not sure what that option will look like in a month or six weeks.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 5:27pm

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    Desogames

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    As it starts to get worse; possible treatment.

    I will post this here again, high up, because it's slowly gonna be more and more important.

    I believe i've had, and recovered, from Covid-19. But because i got it early, i could not get a test in the netherlands, because i didn't meet the criteria (haven't been outside the country in like, ever). I tried desperately, calling the doctor 5 times, GGD 4 times, 112 2 times, went to the emergency room twice, they did not test me. I have recovered now after 2 weeks of self isolation, but i've taken permanent lung damage. I can both feel it when i smoke, as well as i've told my current problems to my best friend who works in a pharmacy (tingly hands, quickly fatigued, dizzy if i ride my bike too fast) and she instantly said "typical side effects of Pneumonia". I am currently still trying to get a CT scan cause i know the damage will show up - but i'm not a priority at this time cause i'm not dying and this shit system is overloading already.

    It's funny. First i can't get a scan cause nobody thinks something is wrong with me and now i can't get a scan because everybody else needs one. FML.

    I suspect that'll be the case for alot more people now. However. It does mean i still have to use the caveat: I wasn't tested, i don't know, so i might *still* have had regular pneumonia with 3 different diseases at the same time. I'm certainly that unlucky. Regardless i cannot in good conscience wait before i get a confirmed test before sharing this info (yet again), therefor i'll have to rely on the tribe to confirm my suspicions though experience.

    So. Here is my list of symptoms. I have written below each symptom i have experienced how i ended up "solving" or "treating" the problem. Is it perfect? no. Will you suffer? yes. Am i still alive after i went into a severe case status and receiving no help from others? Absolutely.

    list of symptoms

    I will also post my "sick diary". It is by no means complete. Especially since i was suffering from Confusion and i didn't even know where i was at times. But it does prove 1 very important thing: That the way to diagnose yourself is to look for fluctuating life signs.

    If you do a single reading, you will probably come out fine each reading taken seperately. Do 12 readings in a row, and you will find weird things, such as the consecutive readings i did with a wrist based blood pressure meter. From the point where it says, all the readings are consecutive, in a state of rest (with my arm resting on the table as to not exert any force) and the time between readings is only the time it took me to write it down:

    sickdiary

    As you will see, out of *nowhere*, my heartrate jumps from 90 to 140. I had certainly done nothing to warrant that jump. I don't panic. Especially not when i'm sitting behind my PC doing nothing trying to relax.

    And my point is, if i was panicking, then the BPM wouldn't suddenly drop back down to 90 now would it?!

    Here is another photo series. These where taken why i was lying in bed in the emergency room in the hospital (no, i wasn't measured, i took those while a psychiatrist was off writing me an Diazepam prescription for my "panic attacks". I had already waited for him in the waiting room for 1 hour after they gave me 10mg of diazepam. I was *entirely* relaxed).

    Wildly varying pulse ox meter results

    If you take *any* of those readings separately and in a vacuum, they seem fine. But if you look at the whole as a series, with the times they where taken noted below the pictures, it shows something is up.

    Why is my BPM 90 while i'm lying in bed? I'm not that out of shape. I went to the gym and could bench my own body weight (75kg) last march. When sitting here typing this while healthy, my BPM's 60, and i'm certainly exerting myself more now then i was then.

    But most importantly: My Perfusion index goes from 7, to 12, to 3, within 15 minutes. Perfusion Index stands for how strong your pulse is on the point of measurement. So 12 means i've got a strong pulse in my finger (around 12 it also starts to throb) while if it drops below 0,2% it can no longer get a measurement because my pulse is too weak  in that spot.

    Regardless of what the "right" reading is for a "healthy" individual, that reading ought to be stable. Not going up and down like a freaking rollercoaster.

    The main take away here is 4 things:

    1. The symptoms for me where intermittent. The fever came and went, the chest pains came and went, all symptoms came and went. However i always had atleast 1 symptom "active" at any given time. Also my heart rate never dropped below 80 bpm. The moment my heart rate dropped back to 60 was also the moment i started feeling better (i literally measured my BPM cause i suddenly felt calm and better, lo and behold, 60 for the first time in weeks). If there's anything ideal for a superspreader it's intermittent symptoms. The more i tried to measure things, the more effort i had to put in and the more sudden my symptoms went away.

    2. To diagnose this, look for fluctuating life signs for multiple readings or over a long period of time. Our western way of pushing people out the door ASAP and only giving them a quick reading will work to our detriment!

    3. You need to use Deduction to confirm your status. If you can't be sure if it's Covid, be sure what it is not. For me it couldn't be a cold or a flu. Because i had a remarkably clear nose. Even after smoking on the balcony, so being used to an inside temperature of 20c, then an outside temperature of 3C (almost freezing), back to an inside temperature of 20C, all the while not having a runny nose. Not even a sniffle! To the point where another sign of me getting better was me blowing my nose for the first time in 3 weeks. It took nearly a week for me after feeling better to sneeze again for the first time in more then a month!.

    I never have a cold or flu without going through 3 toilet rolls, atleast. Also the first symptoms took 7 days after the most likely exposure to show up. That is beyond the flu's 24 hour and the cold's 3-5 days incubation time. That leaves regular Pneumonia, but regular pneumonia doesn't explain Diarrhea or a cry cough. Or the Confusion.

    Sure, smoking weed might explain the cough and confusion (though after using for months it aint that potent anymore) and bad egg salad explains diarrhea. But at some point, when the conclusion becomes either 1. you have Covid or 2. you have 6 unrelated illnesses at the same time.... the simplest answer is usually the most correct one.

    Finally, 4. The most important thing.
    If you're at home, you feel your fingertips begin to tingle, and that feeling starts to move down your fingers, into your palms, and into your lower arms (and trust me this happens in a matter of seconds so you'll know), you will start to have difficulty breathing.

    The problem is not with your lungs its with your heart. The tingling feeling comes from your heart simply not beating strong enough to get the blood to your fingertips. It's still beating fast enough, and you are absorbing plenty of oxygen (so BPM and Spo2 read *fine*) but the oxygen simply cannot get to your extremities, making your body give off the emergency signal of "you're not getting enough air". You are, your pump's just faulty and your mind is being fooled.

    You need to dance. Or otherwise move violently and quickly to a rhythem that feels pleasant for your heart. Dancing to Russian Hardbass was most convenient for me (heavy bass, strong BPM, was listening to it anyway). By dancing i mean bouncing up and down on your chair, moving your arms, really give your upper torso a workout. Make your lazy heart work for it.

    This will cause your heart to beat stronger. Because your body is moving, you are sending signals to your heart to work harder; after all you're exerting yourself. This is the signal your heart needs.

    If you lie down to take it easy, and the tingling reaches your chest, you will die. Every single instinct i had once it happened to me told me so.

    The only reason i lived is because i'm a stubborn idiot. When the tingling reached my lower arms and i couldn't breathe, i started hyperventilating. This is also why the emergency services wouldn't help me, they thought i was having a panic attack. What i *was* doing, was thinking "Well... if i'm not getting enough oxygen normally, i'll double the volume!" I wasn't short on breath cause i was hyperventilating, i was hyperventilating because i was short on breath. I decided to outrun the curve instead of following it.

    Nobody is stupid enough to say to you "calm down you're hyperventilating" once you've just taken a sprint for 200 meters as fast as you can! If your body is working out it NEEDS that much oxygen.

    I've hyperventilated before in the past. I had mental breakdowns as a kid i know how it feels. You get dizzy because of pushing too much oxygen into your blood. While hyperventilating for over 4 minutes i *did not* get dizzy. Go ahead. Breathe fast now while sitting still. You'll pass out in 20 seconds.

    What saved me was the effort of having to expand and compress 2 giant bags of air at a rapid pace (AKA hyperventilating working out my lungs) as well as the SHEER ANGER i felt towards the so called medical profession who care more about how you behave then what might be happening to you.

    You know how in Hollywood movies, when  somebody has a heart attack they as a last resort jam a syringe with adrenaline in their heart? You can make the stuff yourself too. Panic actually works really well for suddenly producing a shit ton of adrenaline. As well as sheer utter frustration and violence. That's how i lived.

    In any case that's everything i can write about my experience without going into too much private details.

    The most important thing to know by far is that virus hides, you have to find it via circumstantial evidence, and the treatment is counter-intuitive. Because even when your body is telling you you are short on breath, after you've been bouncing like crazy in your chair, not only have you not started breathing faster but breathing actually becomes easier.

    FINAL DISCLAIMER though. One case does not a treatment make. That's why it's so important to get this info out there, get it to the other severe patients, and see if it works in preventing them from progressing to a critical case. I went severe pretty quickly, but as soon as i started my regimen (2 ibuprofen+1 every 8 hours, 2 paracetamol, multivitamin and a bunch of vitamin C) i felt markedly better; as the heart attacks came in a (per day) 1 - 2 - 4 - 2 - 1 - 1/2 - 1/4 pattern before they stopped coming (it's been a few days now, the tingling never moves from my fingers anymore. But it's still there, as a side effect from the pneumonia).

    I survived with about 25% capacity of lungs lost. I said that to my friend well before Chris showed the news from hong kong that some patients lose 20-30% capacity (Simply because when i smoke i feel spots burning more then others).

    It is up to the wider world now. It could've been up to the scientific community as well as the health community, but they failed. They are far more concerned with imaginary lines on a map. Every country in "United Europa" is only listening to it's own incompetent bureaucrat experts, all of whom are getting every step wrong.

    So please. When somebody becomes desperate enough to try my methods, please remember they exist. If they can't save anybody because it turned out to be something different after all; just add it to the long long list of treatments that didn't pan out. Maybe i was just destined to never progress beyond a severe case. But we won't know until the tribe tries.

    Good luck to us all. And remember. You know how there's always a crazy scientist in the movies who keeps pointing out the symptoms of the problem to everybody but nobody believes him?

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 5:52pm

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    Toilet paper vs ventilators

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 6:10pm

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    LabCat

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    China's Alleged Success

    Is there any satellite imagery to support China's big talk about people getting back to work?

    It seems to me they would be flooding the airwaves with images of healthy people in the factories.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 6:19pm

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    kron

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    THANK YOU CHRIS

    We first met Chris in Feb 2008 and were lucky enough to realize that we'd connected to an information source of great value.  We've followed most suggestions, subscribed to his web site from the beginning, benefited greatly and can't thank you enough.  We've been wearing masks too.  Thanks again Chris

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 6:28pm

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    Mike Brooks

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    Is vaping a co-morbidity?

    The "Notes from Italy" slide says young Italians, with no co-morbidities, coming down with pneumonia.

    Perhaps they do have one - vaping.

    Last summer we started hearing about all the kids having massive respiratory issues or even dying due to vaping. Well how do you think those lungs are going to do against COVID-19?

    My 20 year old college student daughter said that, with one exception in addition to her,  everyone in her peer group vapes. And our younger daughter, a junior in high school, said it's rampant there as well.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 6:39pm

    JahFire

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    Attention to detail

    It may be the case that their mitigation strategies are successful.. but nobody's asking for the methodology behind it. Maybe because those methods aren't as accomodating as they should be. I definitely agree that more light should be shined on how their handling this.. cause the vision I have screams martial law.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 6:40pm

    TurquoiseRose

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    Satellite images over China 3/2-6/20

    Photos show 1 worker in a room.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/02/29/810334985/as-new-coronavirus-cases-slow-in-china-factories-start-reopening

    NASA images show ‘significant decreases’ in air pollution over China amid coronavirus economic slowdown—take a look
    Published Mon, Mar 2 20201:16 PM ESTUpdated Fri, Mar 6 20201:41 PM EST

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/nasa-images-chinas-air-pollution-decreased-amid-coronavirus-measures.html

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 6:40pm

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    chipshot

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    We're Now All Characters In a Stephen King Novel

    What kind of character will you be?

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 7:12pm

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    Here's Johnny

    I wanted to say my Stephen King character was going to be from The Shining, but I'm going to go with David Drayton from The Mist, I think it's a better character profile given the confinement in a shopping centre and all the chaos that ensues. I'm not sure if I like the last 5 minutes, but the rest of the time he seems like a good role model. The stand is probably a bad movie to use for characters, too many messianic roles.

    Have you ever considered that if you can keep your head when everyone around you is in a panic, that you probably don't understand the depth of the trouble you are in?

    I'm still calling this the wombat virus, but in deference to AO, I'll call the Australian variant Wombat Covid-TAS 19 after a certain devil. I've never lost a dog to a tassy devil, but my father lost a dog to a wombat. As Ezlxq1949 said, mature wombats can be scary. I had one living under the house for a few months, stank up the place and there was no way I was going under to get him out. I put up a fence to keep him out and he just tore the fence down. I called him Phil (he looked like dr Phil).

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 7:15pm

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    Orangedem

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    New CDC guidelines for mass gatherings

    Thank you Chris, Adam, and all others who have posted. Your work is greatly appreciated.

    My wife alerted me to these new guidelines from the CDC. "Cancel or postpone events with more than 50 people for the next eight weeks." [emphasis mine] These events include festivals, concerts, weddings, parades, etc, but curiously, the recommendation does not apply to "schools, institutes of higher learning, or businesses."

     

     

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 7:21pm

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    Coronavirus: Dr. Fauci, government expert, open to a 14-day ‘national shutdown’

    Coronavirus: Dr. Fauci, government expert, open to a 14-day ‘national shutdown’
    https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/03/coronavirus-dr-fauci-government-expert-open-to-a-14-day-national-shutdown.html

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 7:29pm

    Dontknownothin

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    Vaping is very likely a comorbidity

    I agree with your assessment about vaping.

    Kids are consuming more nicotine that way than through cigarettes and are basically bubble gum flavored chimney stacks here in Seattle. With legal weed too, there's a higher instance of lung issues and I'm certain those addicted to either (psychological and/or physiological) will not reduce use once the virus plagues them. Even with the state of emergency, people are joking and laughing it off as a huge overreaction. Behavioral changes have not happened yet, we haven't had enough die.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 7:30pm

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    greendoc

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    Reinfection could not occur in SARS-CoV-2 infected rhesus macaques

    This looks promising for humans.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.13.990226v1

    Highlights from the abstract

    Abstract

    … Recently, it has been reported that discharged patients in China and elsewhere were testing positive after recovering. However, it remains unclear whether the convalescing patients have a risk of "relapse" or "reinfection".

    The longitudinal tracking of re-exposure after the disappeared symptoms of the SARS-CoV-2-infected monkeys was performed in this study. We found that weight loss in some monkeys, viral replication mainly in nose, pharynx, lung and gut, as well as moderate interstitial pneumonia at 7 days post-infection (dpi) were clearly observed in rhesus monkeys after the primary infection.

    After the symptoms were alleviated and the specific antibody tested positively, the half of infected monkeys were rechallenged with the same dose of SARS-CoV-2 strain.

    Notably, neither viral loads in nasopharyngeal and anal swabs along timeline nor viral replication in all primary tissue compartments at 5 days post-reinfection (dpr) was found in re-exposed monkeys. Combined with the follow-up virologic, radiological and pathological findings, the monkeys with re-exposure showed no recurrence of COVID-19, similarly to the infected monkey without rechallenge. Taken together, our results indicated that the primary SARS-CoV-2 infection could protect from subsequent exposures, which have the reference of prognosis of the disease and vital implications for vaccine design.

     

    Claire

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 7:38pm

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    We listened and prepared

    Something was different about Coronavirus when I first heard about it in January. As our tone deaf government allowed flights from Wuhan to continue I knew I had to act.

    I went to Home Depot for N95 masks immediately after hearing Peak Prosperity podcast's recommendation to get them, ASAP.  We started with a few days of food in the house in mid January to 4-5 months in stock today. Our garden supplies are in and I am setting up a few security measures now.

    I've seen results from prayer that logic cannot explain. So we are praying for Coronavirus to dissipate.

    Despite the chaos and fear, I am hopeful.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 7:40pm

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    yogmonster

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    TP used as currency

     

    Wonder if Mike Maloney would approve?

    . Its can be a medium of exchange

    . Could be used as unit of account

    . It's portable

    . It's not very durable. (at least some brands)

    . It's divisible

    . It's fungible

    . It's made of the same material of other currencies

    https://decrypt.co/22501/coronavirus-crypto-blockchain-toilet-paper

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 7:42pm

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    Sparky1

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    California Govenor presser re: Covid mitigation measures for bars/nightclubs, restaurants, seniors

    Gov. Newsom held press conference today to announce Covid mitigation measures:

    1) Bars/nightclubs, breweries will be closed (they provide "non-essential services");

    2) Restaurant occupancy levels cut by 50% with social distancing between seating areas;

    3) Seniors and those with chronic conditions or compromising health issues are to isolate at home.

    He reserves the option to expand these and other measures to mitigate the spread of Covid.

    3/15/20 press conference video:

    https://youtu.be/dReNNCjT8Es

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 7:50pm

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    Desogames

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    Oh i just realized

    I've just been in self isolation now for 3 weeks, nearing a month. Been isolating myself from family for at least a month. Might as well write how that's like.

    Honestly, since it's been at home with a well stocked pantry...... nothing much has changed. #gamerlife.

    But as always i'm looking ahead. While typing this i'm munching on 1 of my 2 frozen pizzas (my fridge space is limited so i prioritized meat over pizzaboxes. Nutrition!) and that both makes me enjoy the moment and boost my morale a bit, but also realise - that's gone now. That foodstock has dwindled 50%.

    One pizza in 3 weeks is fine. But in 6 weeks times i wont have pizza so i will just have to give that up. Once food supply in cities dwindles and production starts to focus on the bare necessities (wartime quantity over quality) a non-diversified diet (not just in nutrition! Taste is just as important, so i hope yall stocked up on some additional spices!) will start to eat morale, even mine.

    Giving up a little bit of the morale boost to not suffer any negative consequences of thinking those thoughts is a good trade off. Small investment now, bit morale mitigation later. Flattening the mental stress curve ^_^ Should such dire food supply conditions never happen; then my morale never drops anyway.

    Yes. You can actually hedge Morale. you can hedge anything really.

    i did go outside again 2 days ago. I still had my sisters present (i would've celebrated her birthday the day after the assistent told me "the guidelines say, if you haven't been abroad, the chances of you having Covidt are Nil" for which i will never forgive them) so i doused the box in dettol then wrapped it in plastic (there's plastic dominos inside so they can take it and no inert or alive virus is going to survive that soaking) while i brought along a bottle of bleach water which i soaked the plastic in on my mothers doorstep before stepping 5 meters downwind and calling her.

    No. Chances. This is war.

    Even though it's been double the time from the study since my first symptoms (20 days vs 10) i still went out in the night after dark when streets are usually empty anyway, and i made sure to control my breathing, the direction of it and kept track of the wind. Seems insane but as a gamer i'm used to tracking multiple targets anyway. You should see me in Modern Warfare 😀 I can guarantee i didn't infect anybody. Still; caution continues.

    I consider my quarantine over but my isolation towards my family continues. We still don't know whether everybody can get reinfected or what the criteria for the weak antibodies are. With my luck i will definitely get it twice. So it'll be a while before ima see my family in person. Though they have my skype.

    When i feel up to it i plan to go to the local hospital to give blood. Maybe when i talk to the nurse will they permit a test for covid antibodies. After all, if i was sick, i must have those right? A new day a new angle to play. I think my bloodtype was O, so good for donating either way. If i got the strong antibodies my plasma is basically worth it's weight in gold. And somehow my instincts tell me saving a few lives will be good for my mental health.

    If i'm immune anyway it's best if i stay in a virus rich enviroment so that my system doesn't get too lazy. If i can get reinfected... well we'll know... and i'll start collecting data on whether the second time is worse or not. Regardless there's gonna be some people with a very tough time walking around there and if there's anything i have experience with it's having a tough time in life. I may not be a medic but i can still hold a hand while somebody is dying. And there will be many lonely deaths in a pandemic.

    Wish i could do more but i ended up with the 25% reduction in lung capacity. If i ride my bike faster then 1/2 the speed i did a month ago i get dizzy and forget to check traffic. My hands tingle all the time. Then there's the burning spots while smoking which means i can literally *feel* the damage. So it's the long road of recovery for me. Doesn't mean i can't roll around in a wheelchair and liven spirits.

    So cheer up! The whole thing is just getting started; no better time then now to develop a fighting spirit. Doing Your Part *is* the fighting spirit, even if it's just at home playing a game. Want to do more? Start streaming or making youtube videos, try to entertain lonely people, ask yourself what makes you unique, what special skills or knowledge or profession do you have which others rarely do and how can you pass on that knowledge in an entertaining fashion?

    People are gagging so much for content that already 2 days ago while i was watching a streamer, people in her chat kept getting disconnected in batches, which we thought was due to various servers overloading due to sudden peak demand (load balancing is like leverage in the market, once you exceed total capacity of the system the leverage starts working in reverse). I speak from experience when i say, the only cure for depression is time and distractions. Make sure they don't think about their problems until either a solution or acceptance is found; either take time.

    And well... typing stuff like this helps. Even if you end up deleting it, typing it for yourself helps too (this is not version 1 of this wall).

    Onto the next 3 weeks.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 8:08pm

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    Desogames

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    More Chinese manufacturing data

    And not a single wall street analyst was widely off.

    And by none, i mean all of them.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/february-china-economic-data-collapses-massively-more-expected

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 8:16pm

    #23

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Kuntsler & Collum Podcast

     

    http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/4/a/7/4a77485c75e191e4/KunstlerCast_326.mp3?c_id=67073780&cs_id=67073780&expiration=1584332927&hwt=3765dc55365ef13a673b427c7eacc886

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 8:37pm

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    poaec

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    Gravity not exponential

    Math Nit:

    Exponential function F(x) = ab^x

    x is the exponent (when b=2 you have that doubling for every increase in x)

    Gravity: g= 9.81 m/s^2, different animal altogether

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 8:50pm

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    BillL

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    Ision...you fn rock!!!

    Your reply about the credit card question was exactly what I have been telling people.

    Not to mention with the issue at hand, the last thing one needs to worry about is paying the bastards that started this whole thing in 1913...Time to burn them down.   They wanted more debt, they want to print more money?...well here you go...now it's our turn to rack up the tangible value, in an attempt to save our lives and you banker and insurers can take it up the rear!

    Deso, frozen pizza is not food.

    Couple items from Big Sky Country...to Montana Native.  A friend used to live in SP.  His wife was talk to a friend who is a paramedic.  They have been instructed NOT to enter homes on 911 calls.  Get info thru the door.

    While here in Montana, the cops have been instructed NOT to pull anyone over.  Don't want them getting infected and don't want any newby's brought to the jail and to protect the county workers.  Protect and serve folks...yep, that's their motto.   Wake up.  People are panicked.  Traffic is unreal.

    The gubenor of Montana has closed public schools for 2 weeks.  You can't find a roll of TP any where amongst other things.

    So what will this week bring?  Answer:  More over reach by you know who.

     

     

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 9:00pm

    #26
    Time2help

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    Inslee orders all restaurants, bars shut down in state in wake of coronavirus

    "OLYMPIA, Wash. -- All bars, entertainment and recreational facilities have been ordered by the state to close across Washington and restaurants will be limited to take-out or delivery orders only, Gov. Jay Inslee said Sunday night.
     
    “Given the explosion of COVID-19 in our state and globally, I will sign a statewide emergency proclamation tomorrow to temporarily shut down restaurants, bars and entertainment and recreational facilities," Inslee said in a press release announcing the new order. “Restaurants will be allowed to provide take-out and delivery services but no in-person dining will be permitted. The ban will not apply to grocery stores and pharmacies. Other retail outlets will have reduced occupancy.""

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 9:27pm

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    nickbert

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    Make contingencies for lockdowns NOW

    Here in Mongolia we're just coming out of a semi-lockdown situation that was put in place after an infected man from France was diagnosed last week. All roads between provinces and in/out of the capital were closed, and all businesses except grocery stores, service stations, and essential services were closed (or at least told to... there were likely those that ignored it). So far none of the infected person's contacts have tested positive, so things are opening up today.

    My kids and their grandparents have been stuck outside at the countryside house for over a week. They've had plenty of food & water and fuel for heating & cooking, but it still sucks being cut off from them. So being cut off from loved ones is something you NEED TO PLAN FOR! We planned for it and it still was a sucky situation. Would have been a lot more so if we hadn't planned ahead and kept them stocked up.

    With the roads re-opened, I'm gonna be heading out soon to bring more food and fuel to them. I expect long lines, but we gotta do it in case they shut it down again later this week.

    Lastly, these are our experiences in a place with gov't restrictions & lockdowns but no widespread infection present (at least yet). It's very possible your experience will be more severe or of a longer duration if local outbreaks are in your area.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 9:41pm

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    britmi

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    COE's Stepped down or Stepping Down

    Does anyone know anything about this?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/bob-iger-keith-block-ceos-that-stepped-down-in-2020

    While everyone is distracted....

    What else is really going on???

    Right before the coronavirus came...

    1 72%

    CEO of disney stepped down

    CEO of Tinder, Hinge, Okcupid, Match all stepped down

    CEO of Hulu stepped down

    CEO of MedMen stepped down

    CEO of L brands like Victoria Secret bath and body works stepped down

    CEO of Salesforce's stepped down

    CEO of Harley Davidson stepped down

    CEO of IBM stepped down

    CEO of T Mobile stepping down

    CEO of Linkedin stepping down

    CEO of Mastercard is stepping down

    CEO OF MICROSOFT STEPPED DOWN TODAY, YES BILL GATES.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 9:45pm

    kunga

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    CEOs

    All heading for a secret ranch in Wyoming or places beyond.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 10:01pm

    Dontknownothin

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    Rhesus monkey reinfection.

    Claire,

    Thanks for posting that uplifting mews, at least that sounds like reinfection from the same strain should not be bad. I wonder though how reinfection from a mutated version might behave.

    The Italian strain, the chinese strain, and probably one from argentina later on(no data, just speculation) if there is enough deviation with that create the ADE reaction Chris mentioned in earlier videos.

    It all remains to be seen.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 10:08pm

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    lsuzuki

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    Don’t “Flatten the Curve,” stop it!

    "Flattening the curve is not an option for the United States, for the UK or Germany. Don’t tell your friends to flatten the curve. Let’s start containment and stop the curve."

    https://medium.com/@joschabach/flattening-the-curve-is-a-deadly-delusion-eea324fe9727

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 11:16pm

    #32
    DaveDD

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    My wife and children now realize the gravity of it all

    It took a while for reality to sink in. Luckily two friends of my children, students, came to our place last week, utterly scared, so they will stay with us for the coming weeks. Today one more run at a “store for business owners” to buy some extra oranges (I make orange juice and spike it (hehe) with vitamin D3, the youngsters still think that taking D3 is voodoo). I think that panic will ensue in our region within the next two weeks when we will hit the 10k+.

    My wife finally understands the actions I took last months and the prepping of the last 15 years. She even reminded me of the fact that we have a rather large storage of dried all kind of beans and lintels. Whatever happens, you do not want to be the last. I buy my vitamins and minerals at an online store for healthcare specialist: ALL vitamin C products are sold out, ALL. Luckily I bought ours weeks ago.

    We setup a q-challenge: daily games, with a great weekly price (ice cream).

    It is sad to notice how scared our children (including the friends) are. I’m glad we prepared, also for the case HB19 hits.

    While my family is adjusting; I’m thinking and informing myself for the world after this health and financial crisis as best as I can.

    Keep up the great work, take care!

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 11:18pm

    #33
    dreinmund

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    dreinmund said:

    I don’t see “flattening the curve” and “containment” as two opposing ideas. Rather, it’s a continuum with varying degrees of extreme measures.

    Secondly, I think it’s important that exponential growth for virus infections can not continue indefinitely. At some point, the growth will slow down. You get a “logistic curve”.

    See https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=Kas0tIxDvrg&feature=emb_logo

     

    Start at 4’48”

     

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 11:19pm

    nordicjack

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    nick , regarding groceries and safety

    I have pondered this exact dilemma.    I would say delivery and curbside pickup are more risk.   It would make sense if stores exclusively did this.  But  the problem is you do not know if this staff is contaminated and spreading even if not infected because of all the people they associate with. You have the same risk with the mail and UPS delivery.  I would say shopping on your own is the least risky.  You can choose low times , though that is hard, with everyone else doing it.. and people who are normal eat-outers added to the mix.   But, you can select products vs having someone else to do it.  especially since you will likely need to make some substitutions.   And you can select products from the back of the shelf , that are likely less contaminated - if someone in the isle was coughing.   So, in general, you have greater control - about your exposure.  You do need to take precautions.  But its not as hard if you have the right mind-set about contact cross contamination.    Either way when you come home, all things should be bagged and held in quarantine before use.. or washed carefully before use or storage.

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  • Sun, Mar 15, 2020 - 11:51pm

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    Kylie

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    Singapore

    I just wanted to give a quick update on Singapore. Right now, the country has mostly contained the virus within our land. The new cases are coming from known clusters. However, our numbers are still increasing by double digits for at least the past 4 days. About 3/4 of those numbers are imported cases. We have imported cases from Germany, Switzerland, UK, India, Thailand, Indonesia, Austria, Canada, Netherlands, and some that probably slipped my mind.

    Most notably is citizens in Indonesia who are symptomatic, and come to Singapore for treatment (landing in the airport and going straight to the hospital) because their own local medical doesn’t test them. I would joke that if you want to know which countries doesn’t test for the virus, just look at the list of imported cases we have.

    The government has just announced that travellers entering from countries in the ASEAN region (less Malaysia land travel) , Japan, UK, or Switzerland will be subject to 14 day isolation. I work in the tourism sector and I know we will be hit hard by this but I am glad our government is doing this. It reduces our medical workload to stop taking in other countries’ unwanted workload.

    Looking at the situation, I’m guessing USA may be next to be added on the list. We have already imported 8 cases from USA despite being almost 24 hour flight away.

     

     

    Also, in reference to your comment about Malaysia, their spike in numbers was due to a religious event that was held in a mosque. There were 16,000 attendees from many countries, a disaster waiting to happen. Positive cases started popping up from that event which led to the spike, but they have still yet to announce closure of their mosques. The cases in Brunei sprouted because of this event as well.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:03am

    #36
    schwedischdemokratischrepublik

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    Swedish state epidemiologist lacks basic knowledge of coronavirus.

    The state epidemiologist here in Sweden said such dumb, inaccurate and senseless things in a tv debate last night, I had to take the time to subtitle in English it so more could see the madness. This guy is the guy in charge of our fight against the coronavirus.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 1:49am

    #37

    mobius

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    Humour - "Niet hamsteren" Sign Language for DO NOT HOARD

    https://t.co/M6EFm7uWm8

     

    I read somewhere that two minutes of laughter is the equivalent of 20 minutes of jogging.  So her she goes:

    Yesterday afternoon at the Dutch press conference in The Hague, the interpreter signing "DO NOT HOARD", literally "DO NOT HAMSTER".

    In all sincerety I'm not taking a p*ss out the woman, I just love her gusto.

    Be well,  all.

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 2:06am

    #38
    kiwi28

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    NZ

    Unfortunately New Zealand’s self isolation guidelines are actually pretty relaxed but there has been a major change in the general attitude the last few days. People are finally taking this seriously! The government really seems to be too, although the understanding of the way this spreads still seems to be lacking. I was meant to be going on a course as part of some study I’m doing this weekend and due to new guidelines it’s been cancelled - I’m glad I didn’t have to make the call as to whether to go or not. With only 8 cases here so far it’s hard to know. Although WOMAD still went ahead in my area over the weekend so we will have to see what comes of that.

    I’ve also been meaning to ask - how do you decide on your red line? I’m not out a lot and am pretty well prepared thanks to Chris, Adam and all of you but I have a 3 year old in kindy and I’m not sure at what point to remove her...

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:27am

    #39
    kunga

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    Silver, RIP

    Wow, gold/silver ratio 115!!  Deflation, markets finally had to inhale.  Good call, Nairobi!!  Oil below $30/barrel.

    Cash is king!

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:33am

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    Sparky1

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    MSM now dismissing gloves use; glove-shaming

    Grrrrrrr!  This article really pushes a twisted, false and dangerous narrative:

    Doctors warn that disposable gloves can't protect from coronavirus

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/doctors-warn-that-disposable-gloves-cant-protect-from-coronavirus/ar-BB110mqj?ocid=spartandhp

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:47am

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    Nairobi

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    Nikkei down 9% and close to hitting its target

    This is great. Really great. The Nikkei is closing in fast on its target meaning a reversal is coming for one of Japans big exchanges. The index has been falling steadily through the night since futures opened and its now down close to 9% as I write this. But don't let that big number alarm you since sometimes it really is just a number. By morning the index will most likely have struck its inevitable low point and be readying to put in a final bottom. We are not actually looking for a rally in the same session. What matters to the structure of the chart pattern is the number that posts at the close since that is the information both the humans and machines need to confirm a reversal point has been struck and can trigger fresh buying again. I would call this a success of yesterdays Central Bank interventions since the confidence needed to sell off this hard has in turn created conditions for a technical recovery. If the Dow, S&P etcetera follow in the footsteps of the Nikkei once they open again for trading they can also be expected to drop quite hard. By doing so, odds are good they will reach some key targets that must be met before their reversals can get underway. It will really look like a bloodbath today but don't let it bother you. Some things simply have to happen before you can move in the opposite direction. It's purely mechanical.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:55am

    Nairobi

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    Thank you Kunga

    The sooner the better. I do NOT want a depression. Lets get this deflation over with quickly and move on. As soon as precious metals *really* hit a bottom we can declare the bear dead and start buying with a plan. By the way, we just hit a 13 handle on silver. We may not need to wait until September for silver to reach its 10 dollar target because if this keeps up we will get there in February. It is a silver murder today. And the bludgeoning continues...... Have not seen anything like it since 2013.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 4:17am

    #43

    Afridev

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    Not linear; exponential, then binary...

    I loved hearing the guy from WHO, and recognised it directly. What people are not getting is that this is not linear and that this doesn't have 'procedural' solutions. This is a physical problem that cannot be tweaked with rules. It grows exponentially, then becomes binary; the card house stands one moment, then it's flat...

    My wife works in healthcare in Sweden. Coming both from emergency response background were stunned by the lack of understanding of the 'coordinators'. I said 8 weeks ago to her that it was time to start taking this serious and start positioning for this. It is only last week that the 'coordinators' gave instructions to assess stocks of protection equipment...

    People who have always been in a stable setting don't realise how fast things can go. Chances are very real that in one month 50% of more of medical staff are sick, in self-isolation, burnt out and that emergency medical services (or other services) are not operational anymore, or working at very reduced capacities. Then the predicament becomes local, and with the technology that is available at local level. Maybe it doesn't turn out this way, but there have been many indications that this is quickly turning into something very problematic, hardly any that this is going to be contained and could be easily managed. This is history in the making.

    Again, haven't been following very closely all comments, apologies if I'm repeating what has already been said.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 4:30am

    #44
    ddelong

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    50 Person Limit

    Huh!  No mention of the the vast majority of flights in the US being over 50 people.  Hopefully, people are being smart and not flying, but I'm sure that the airlines will reduce the number of flights to a destination thus pushing the passengers per flight right back up there.

    I still know of several families that are still taking their upcoming family/springbreak vacations.  I have even heard of a few that just booked because and I quote" These idiots are cancelling vacations there are deals out there, I can take the family to Florida for a week for $1,500.00."  To bad that once you get there things most likely will be shut down and you'll have no where to eat and the majority of the touristy things that you want to do won't be open.

    I just keep reminding myself that for every person like me out there on one side of the distribution curve there is one of these Darwin award winners.

    Also I am at work, our CEO's first day of business as usual.  Can't wait till my vacation begins at noon Thursday.  Hopefully some sort of lockdown will be announced in the interim and I can keep my high risk self out of the fray.

     

    Stay strong and keep your sanity

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 5:09am

    ddelong

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    RE: MSM Dismissing Glove Use

    I really can't believe this article.

    First, what do you think the response would be from doctors and hospitals if they had adequate supplies?  It would be to use gloves and use masks.  They are being charlatans so that there is more supplies for them now that they finally get it.  Their lack of foresight does then put front line HCWs at risk.  Part of the problem is that in the healthcare environment and government there are too many layers so that the true Subject Matter Expert researchers and analysts cannot be heard when the science and numbers say to speak up.  The information has to be hammered up the chain of command with each layer being hesitant to pass it further up the chain.

     

    Secondly,  It is total BS about gloves ripping all the time.  I don't know what kind of gloves this doctor is using or what tasks were actually being performed, but I wore latex and also nitrile gloves 8-12 hours a day with maybe 2-3 procedural change outs a day in pharmaceutical laboratory and manufacturing settings and I can count on two hands the number of times a glove ripped over 15 years.  I was double gloved and the rips usually happened because of a pinch point encounters.

    I hate that people are using propaganda and not facts to craft a false narrative to get the populace to bend to a line of action due to the inaction of those institutions when they had their heads stuck in the sand.

    BTW, If any of my friends or family that are HCW come to me because they are personally at risk I will gladly give them some of my gloves and masks to protect those individuals.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 5:22am

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    Desogames

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    Frozen pizza isn't food

    It's comfort food. And trust me even though i pretty much always eat healthy (i eat "processed" food like a frozen pizza or double of meatballs in sour sauce with rice like once a week tops, french fries/snacks once every two weeks and i haven't had them for 2 months now), after a few weeks in isolation, you *need* comfort food 😀

    1 frozen pizza isn't going to destroy your health but it can very much increase your morale ^_^ Everything in moderation, as always.

    As for silver; look at it go huh! Told ya today was not going to be a good day.

    That's some massive liquidation. Silver isn't *that* of an industrial metal to explain an 18% drop in a day. Remember the Fed just announced it would print ungodly amounts of money and even Gold is down.

    I'm going to go ahead and say the paper and physical price is finally decoupling. It's not deflation, it's margin calls. We haven't even started the deflation yet.

    Otherwise the Dollar index wouldn't be down -1%. If it's deflation, cash increases in value. It really is that simple. But the fact that Silver is down 18%, gold is down nearly 4%, but the dollar index is also down 1% means something else is up. The Euro is up 0,5% but that's not *nearly* enough to be explained away via the devaluing of the dollar via money printing. The ECB is still at $120b of QE a month with some vague LLTRO promises. The Fed just cut rates 1,5% in a very short time, pledged to print $1,5 trillion in Repo if anybody needs it while printing $700 billion in QE anyway. By *all* accounts, either the dollar should be up, or gold should be up, but not down on both. Down on everything = panic selling.

    Twitter seems to think the Fed is trying to get ahead of a massive liquidation/margin call event. I'm inclined to agree.

    If there's anything i'd sell first to get cash (should i need to), it'd be my silver. Nobody *wants* to sell gold. Regardless of it's actual value; it's simply not first in the order of considerations. Silver futures count double.

    Anyway this is not a rational market anymore so anything can happen 😀 i'll refer to my 7th of febuary advice "get the fuck out" and say "stay the fuck out". It is without a doubt historical though. I'm pretty sure all of us will have quite the story to tell our descendants

    On that note; can we get an F in chat for the VIX? seems the Fed broke it again cause it's refusing to update, just like last thursday. While typing all of this silver bounced up 4% again. 4% moves in minutes are not healthy. No wonder the VIX died again. Even ZH posted about it this time.

    Also RIP bitcoin. Or well, more specifically all the crap-coins that where riding that wave over the past decade. There's a 3x long ethereum token (ETHBULL) that had a volume of $22 million in the last 24 hours, a now market cap of $0, and a 7 day change of -94,69%!!! Couple more people got wiped out there.

    Bitcoin also went through a sudden $300 drop. Straight drop in 5 minutes around 11am my time. Another margin call no doubt. It actually jumped back up $300 not too long ago.

    Honestly i don't really care anymore what happens to my position cause it's gonna take months to untangle this mess. No idea where that's going to end up, nor does anybody else. They might very well close the markets for a while to prevent mass liquidations. Though again, twitter seems to think if they close the markets it'll be an instant bank run by the populace. Can't say i disagree on that either.

    This is such a historic mess! Today is so messed up even my predictions are taking a vacation. I aint calling shit today. I'm gonna sit on the sidelines grab some more popcorn and watch the US open.

    Any predictions by anybody which circuit breaker we'll hit on the S&P/Dow? First one's a given. But i really thought we'd hit the 2nd one last Thursday and didn't. I wonder if today is the day....

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 6:20am

    BillL

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    Gates...

    You know why?  He's bugging out.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 6:24am

    BillL

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    Exactly.

    It's on...for those of you who still haven't noticed.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 6:27am

    BillL

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    Cash is king...for now.

    This thing is just waking the sheep up.  Last week you could see the crack starting to open in people's heads.

    Just watch what happens this week.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 6:33am

    NorthElkhound

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    kids/being in publc

    Why wait until your kid brings home coronavirus? The governor of Idaho refuses to close schools, saying it is a local decision. The Idaho Education Association (adults at risk) are begging him to close all schools.

    I think the best advice is to see everyone as infected, and proceed accordingly. Kids and young people are carriers with mild symptoms for the most part. We over 50 are at VERY HIGH RISK of respiratory problems with this vicious "Wuhan Flu".

    I grabbed board games at a thrift store last week and some comfort junk food (chocolate and taffy). In Idaho people panicked over the weekend after the Governor announced state of emergency Friday.

    I am done being in public other than work, which may be cancelled any time now. I saw full churches yesterday and thought, "How stupid their leaders are. They learned nothing from the S.Korea church spreader."

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 6:54am

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    Desogames

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    We're off the the races!

    Investing.com is having troubles yet again xD that's like the 3rd or 4th US market open where the site is super slow or just straight up freezes. I'm willing to bet they're making a ton on commission now. One man's death is another man's profit after all.

    Take a good look at that. There won't be many more times in your life when you see an actual Double Gap lower on open.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 7:26am

    DaveDD

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    No predictions, but

    I hope that you wont’t take a vacation. I find your posts informative, but most of all really funny and enjoyable.
    (In all honesty, as I’m Dutch I will be the usual  direct self: I tend to skip the posts about your bodily functions. As long as you can entertain us with your sharp mind and observations and thoughts you are alive and kicking).

    Groeten uit Eindhoven.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 7:29am

    #53
    pat the rat

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    tp sales

    with all the sales of toil paper going on ,we now know were all that stuff is coming from that is hitting the fan. lol

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 7:31am

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    Gus Spreen

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    Anti-inflammatories may aggravate Covid-19, France advises

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 7:43am

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    westcoastjan

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    Very sobering, hard hitting post from a doctor on Vancouver Island

    Courtenay doctor confirms Comox Valley’s first case of COVID-19

    See the FaceBook post within the article. She is definitely telling it like it is, no holds barred.  Wish this post would go viral (no pun intended), although it may already be too late...

    Jan

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:01am

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    Desogames

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    Oh feel free

    No need to read the bodily function. All i ask is to remember where they are, should you need it in the future. After all we prepare for tomorrow not today ^_^

    As for entertainment why thank you 😀 Lemme provide some more.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:08am

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    Torii

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    NC Cases Double in Two Days

    North Carolina had 15 cases on Friday and reported 32 cases on Sunday. Thirty-three this morning.

    Our super sharp Secretary of Public Health, Dr. Mandy Cohen, expects case numbers to rise as NCDHHS expands testing criteria and more people are assessed.

    https://www.ncdhhs.gov/covid-19-case-count-nc

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:10am

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    Stopping anti-inflammatories - what about low dose aspirin for cardiovascular health?

    Gus, thank you so much for this.  I use ibuprofen tablets and salicylate patches for arthritis flareups.  I'm stopping immediately.

    Like most people over 60, my DR has recommended low dose aspirin.  Any thoughts here on the danger there for those with and without heart symptoms.  I'm stopping, but my 93-yr old dad uses it instead of plavix for a valve clip.  What do you medical guys think? OK as long as he's not exposed [he's stuck at home] or should he stop now and take chances on his heart valve issue.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:19am

    #59
    Desogames

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    We have our first market closure!

    Aaaaaaaand it's........ The Philippines.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/philippines-first-country-halt-its-market-until-further-notice

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:31am

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    Desogames

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    Well well well.

    Looks like i'm not so crazy with my rumor/persistant rumor system now, am i?

    EDIT: Oh i forgot to put this chart up after i made it. Things are just going so fast! Might as well put it up here.

    You are here.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:34am

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    Kathy

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    WA state shuts down bars, entertainment today, Monday.

    Restaurants are converting to pick up windows.  In our little eastside of the Cascades tourist town, we now have drive up appointments at one of the veterinarians and waiting in your car at one of our medical clinics.  Weekend visitors from the Seattle area may be headed back now that the fun is gone.  Apparently, they swamped the usual weekend hangouts.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:43am

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    karen is a farmer

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    Fake national lockdown

    I see that the NSC is saying  that “rumors of a national quarantine are fake” on yahoo news today, what makes you think this will happen? Just curious cause thankfully I’ve followed your advice & my intuition carefully!

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:48am

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    ddelong

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    MI Restaurants and bars to close

    Well as a result of  people having "time off" this weekend, the bars were packed and they didn't observe the state and some local restrictions on people in the bars.  So the state is shutting down all bars and restaurants as of 3 PM EDT today.  The Restaurants will be able to perform drive through or carry out for the time being.

    I'm sure I'm going to see some newsfeed tonight of someone outside a liquor store stocking up.  The next crazy run on supplies.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:48am

    KugsCheese

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    KugsCheese said:

    You have lung injury and you continue to smoke tobacco?   Why didn't the doc treat your pneumonia?  There is a 3-Day antibiotic that stays in system for 10 days that cures most early pneumonia without hospitalization.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:50am

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    ao

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    excellent article on potential corona virus natural remedies

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=9061

    Isn't it fascinating how they keep telling us repeatedly to wash our hands but are telling us nothing about protecting our mouth, nose, and eyes nor how to build up our immune systems and kill the virus systemically.  It is complete lunacy ... or maybe not.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:51am

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    NickAdams10

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    Thank you

    @nordicjack

    That makes sense. We thought we were prepared enough, but I am having second thoughts, and my wife really wants me to make one last run before Covid-19 spreads further. I'm planning to wear PPE and a sweatshirt and sweatpants that I can remove and place into a trash bag before climbing in the car and heading back home.

    We did order some additional dehydrated food online today, but I am planning to bleach the crap out of the outer box and leave that in the garage for 10 days. Fortunately, it isn't too warm here yet, so I don't have to worry about heat.

    The United States is going to be a total disaster in another week. People spent too long treating the pandemic like a joke (and they still are). We're in for a very difficult spring and probably summer.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:57am

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    Britmi - CEO's stepping down

    Dave from the X-22 report, who covers all things Trump vs. Deep State, including Qanon, thinks what we are seeing is part of the swamp draining - in this case CEO's that were previously somehow compromised or blackmailed by the Deep State to do their bidding.  This has been going on for a while.. I can't tell you for sure that it's true, but I kind of hope that it is.  The idea is that they are being told, by the white hats, step down of face prosecution when the hammer falls.

    Recall Lindsay Graham grilling Kavanaugh about the use of military tribunals during the Senate confirmation hearings... what I am saying to you is not pure conspiracy fantasy.. though again, I don't have enough information to convince you, or me, or anyone else that it's absolutely true.  It's a framework, a lens through which to view things, so to speak.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:58am

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    Wayne Swanson

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    Glad to see that virus-intensity exposure matters...

    Personal protocol:

    Nasal irrigation 3-4 / day (Neilmed about $13)

    Gargle with salt water about 6x / day

    Even if salt doesn't kill viruses, it may reduce them, which as Chris has pointed out, can be very helpful.

     

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 9:18am

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    Desogames

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    well no not tobacco

    Weed and Damiana; both non-physically addictive substances. So i can reduce without much effort ^_^

    Otherwise the outrage over smoking is just as bad as the outrage over people warning the stock market would go down. Yes, smoking kills you. But it takes decades to do it. The lung damage i have now is more like a deep cut - it'll heal within months and leave a bit of scarring. The surrounding tissue which is still healthy won't take any increased damage from smoking; it's not like i smoke more now. If anything i smoke less. At most, the cough is a bit worse.

    I'm not saying anybody should start good god no. If ya don't need drugs don't ever start. But sometimes people do. If the insurer wants to pay for medical weed though i'd be fine with eating it instead of smoking 😀 but that's really expensive (you need 3-4 times the amount) and i simply can't afford to. Death is cheaper.

    Just yknow.... see things in perspective. This whole situation came about because people lost sight of perspective.

    As for the doctor not helping me, well, that's a long story i've told many times already (and ill repeat in full once i do get a damned diagnosis). They did listen to my lungs at some point, but my symptoms where intermittent and the lung scarring hadn't happened yet. That happened in the emergency room where after i saw a shrink who was telling me i was having a panic attack 1 hour after i had to wait for him

    What? You thought "medical professionals" where above hubris? Well they're not. If you ever get to see one because in the west we work on the basis of a waiting room with an reception with a nurse that has very strict guidelines on what she can't and cannot do, and who will follow protocol even if it kills people (because then it wasn't her fault she was just following orders).

    I'm dead serious when i say they're a bunch of Nazi's. It's the exact same mechanic you see. Ignore all the suffering you see because it's not your fault you where just following orders. Not every Nazi was in the Hardcore SS panzerdivision yknow, or some camp guard somewhere. Most where regular soldiers. Don't think, follow orders. If it goes wrong, we'll fire somebody, and you will get new orders.

    Don't act on anybody's behalf, don't think like an individual, do not fight for some ones rights. Do not resist when they come for your neighbour. You will recieve new orders. How does that translate into real life? "I'm sorry sir i don't think i can help you :)" and they walk away.

    Nobody has spoken on my behalf, nobody has believed me, nobody has as much as attempted to diagnose me or form a theory of what *might* be ailing me, other then the instant decision that i was Nuts in some form or another (autistic, obsessed, panicking, etc etc). Nobody has gone to anybody else saying "are you sure there's nothing wrong with the guy? He seems in a lot of pain". Everybody was very quick to just dismiss my troubles. Easier for them i suppose.

    Nobody believes each others words any more. Lies are ingrained in our very existance. Don't believe me? When's the last time somebody actually wanted to know how you where, when they said "Hey how are you?". The conversation *starts* with a lie. We have forgotten how to communicate. We have forgotten to trust logic and are now permanently suspicious of each other because people simply just refuse to do anything except view their own world view as exactly right; anything that deviates from it is suspect. Facebook and such are just an symptom of this; an example of how demand shapes tech not the other way around.

    Yknow i shouldn't hit post on this but i'll cut it off here and do it anyway. Maybe i have grown a little bit more bitter through this experience. But i'm DONE with giving people a free pass just because they are having a tough time. What about my goddamn tough time for once huh?

    I shouldn't have to be the one to convince doctors that i'm sick. They should convince me that i'm healthy.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 9:39am

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    saxplayer00o1

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    Europe edging towards total coronavirus lockdown

    Europe edging towards total coronavirus lockdown
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/europe-edging-total-coronavirus-lockdown-200316131203376.html

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 9:57am

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    Gus Spreen

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    The preventive effect on respiratory tract infections of Oscillococcinum®. A cost-effectiveness analysis

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5788925/

    https://www.boironusa.com/research-studies/

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 9:59am

    Nairobi

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    Tuning out the Corona to go shopping

    Yes Desogames, I agree with quite a bit of those last few lines of yours. Not many people really care. Everyone seems to busy. Ask them how they are doing and you get suspicious looks. Is it any wonder so many people are single?  They live with a cat or an old person who is not even their relative. They are so busy they have no time to find each other and make families like in the old days.

    Crazy.

    Anyway Deso, listen, just buy this market. It's going to be very solid tomorrow and it will stay that way for awhile. You need to be fearless though but not careless. There are tonnes of deals. The world is not ending at all but we are living through some strange times and that's what makes it confusing for some people.

    Just tune out the Corona news and focus on the bargains in the stock market. You will be back on planet Earth in no time.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 10:03am

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    Afridev said:

    Follow-up. First case confirmed in our (small) town.

    Through my wife I offered to support 'management' of the medical system with preparing for the emergency response (something I have worked with before at practical coordination level); scenarios, preparedness, coordination structure, logistics, protocols, making and deploying kits. 'No need' came the answer, 'all is under control'. I don't mind 'not being picked' as long as I see that things needed are in place and things are moving; this is going over my community; I expect 200-400 deaths based on attack and mortality rates published. Not saying we could still change a lot at this point, but still.

    I suggested alternative face masks that can still be obtained (saw the prices jump up by 25% in a couple of hours). The answer: 'No, we can't purchase outside of our usual suppliers (who are out of stock from what I understand), maybe later if we enter into crisis mode'. Their stocks of personal protection equipment is almost non-existent from what I understand. They just don't get it; they're in first gear while we should be in fifth. The lack of urgency and basic understanding of the situation will result in real harm done.

    I hope some uncomfortable questions will be asked at the other end...

    Sorry, end of rant, it just drives me up the wall.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 10:24am

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    nordicjack

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    so the who announced its airborne

    So I read this , this morning.  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-considers-airborne-precautions-for-medical-staff-after-study-shows-coronavirus-can-survive-in-air.html

    Yeah , if you would have paid attention to what the chinese and chinese studies were saying , you would have known this a month ago , like Chris and us here did  .  They pretended china was full of bunch of morons.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 10:34am

    Durable

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    White hats - insiders or psyops ?

    I've seen a resergence of this narrative. Who doesn't love hope? We cling to optimism as a matter of normalcy bias. We are so desperate for hope, sometimes we become less discriminating of our info flows.

    Questioning the Q narrative:

    If this virus has been allowed to run to provide cover for a swamp draining exercise, does that render the medically compromised collateral damage?

    Why would the msm cooperate when they are in league with the deep state?

    Considering the CEO exits and assorted pandemic exercises and prophetic quotes prior to this outbreak (not to mention simpsons/koontz foreshadowing) , could the virus be allowed to run in order to advance deep state agenda (economic reset, confiscation, global crisis requiring coordinated global response empowering global government rationale) ?

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 10:38am

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    Steve

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    Safe Deposit Boxes

    Safe deposit boxes - I just spoke with the branch president at the bank where we keep our safe deposit box. He couldn't comment on which branches may have reduced hours, which ones may stay open and which ones may temporarily be shuttered. However, he did say that if there was anything in my safe deposit box that I could visualize needing within the next six (6) months, it would be prudent for me to make that "withdrawal" before the end of this week.

    His recommendation, not mine.

    Can't say if his concern was covid-19 or banking crisis.  Could be either, or both, I presume.

    Time to diversify more over to treasurydirect.gov.

     

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 10:38am

    #77

    Rector

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    Ammunition Shortages

    I run a firearms training school and I sell firearms and ammunition.  As of Sunday - wholesale ammunition in common calibers are at zero.  No 9mm, .22LR etc. available at any price.  My friends in the local retail establishments report long lines and empty shelves.  I have sold more firearms in the last 5 days than in the previous two months.

    Rector

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 10:39am

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    kleymo

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    infertility in the recovered

    I was just told about a research article on a Chinese medical website that was posted for three hours, then taken down. The gist of the article is that people who recover from the virus show decreased ability to be fertile. The source is a Chinese medical doctor. Beyond that, I don't want to get into details.

    Has anyone else heard about this? I don't have any more details. The person who talked with the Chinese doctor has medical training, and is someone I trust who is very level headed.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 10:43am

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    movingalong

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    Personal Cash Run

    First thing, I went to the bank for cash. I asked for a breakdown of cash. All I could get were three envelopes of $20s. I was told they would get larger bills in again on Thurs.

    Albuquerque

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 10:51am

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    KugsCheese

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    Antibodies Being Generated?

    I can find no study on antibody generation to SARS-CoV-2.  If this virus is more like HIV, then we are in real trouble...HIV in the lungs.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:07am

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    yogmonster

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    Marine One warming up to dispense cash

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-stimulus-romney-proposes-1000-for-every-american.html

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:17am

    kunga

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    Please give your location

    Hi, Afridev, where are you?  Thanks for the information.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:19am

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    kunga

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    Where's Waldo??

    Chris, I love it!!  Being dyslexic, Waldo always a challenge for me.  So creative.  Thank you for all your hard work.  Stay safe.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:24am

    Janie-em

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    Yes kleymo, I read this somewhere

    From what I read i.e.   https://jvi.asm.org/content/79/15/9470

    they suspect the virus attacks the ACE2 receptors, in epithelial cells in different organs in the body: lungs, intestines and possibly testes. I had read something similar to what you heard, that Chinese doctors had found some recovered patients had permanent lung or other organ damage. I have no concrete knowledge of this, but I do remember reading it was a concern.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:32am

    kunga

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    Oscillococcinum homeopathic

    Hi, Gus Spreen, I use Oscillo for regular flu, HxNy.   I do not know if it works on the Corona virus.  Do you know?   It is made from duck liver and spinal cord so stimulates protection when infected with avian/swine flu.  Does it work with bat derived virus?

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:38am

    dude59

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    Data from South Korea on proprolaptic use of chloroquine in slowing down this virus

    South Korea is using chloroquine for everyone that has tested positive for this bug. While not a perfect solution, it has cut their CFR (for those who have active symptoms) by 90%.

    I have not yet found a great source for this...  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 has some information from last month in vitro...

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:44am

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    Desogames

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    SONOFA

    I go to take a shower; which i barely have lately (cause yknow, exhaustion) and this goddamn happens:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/emergency-fed-repo-fiasco-funding-market-remains-frozen-after-dealers-balk-500bn-operation

    Both another half a trillion repo and another rejection. I get things are moving fast but can i at least have a decent wash!

    Meanwhile though. Not a peep from the markets. Dow still down 9%. This is a horror show that just keeps on giving.

    EDIT: WHOOP gonna throw this in here as well.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/energy-downgrade-avalanche-begins-exxon-loses-aa-rating

    Winter is Coming.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:50am

    Gus Spreen

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    MedCram #35

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE4_LsftNKM

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:51am

    #89
    TurquoiseRose

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    Vaccine for Covid 19 given

    First patient will get an experimental coronavirus vaccine TODAY – but scientists warn it will be at least a YEAR before the jab could be rolled out to the rest of the world

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:54am

    #90
    Gus Spreen

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    The 360 Review - Other Inputs?

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:05pm

    Jim H

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    Focus on R0, not fatality rates

    It's all about transmissibilty, and the fact that you will not be able to get medical care if you need it if we let this thing run it's course without acting.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:12pm

    #92
    mark2

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    re: "gateway pundit" as bogus source

    Ultra partisan Trump promotion, not a scientific / medical / health publication.  Not surprised they are promoting denialism.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:14pm

    FooBarr

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    Reply: Oscillococcinum homeopathic???

    Bohner recommends Oscillococcinum during flu onset in his Anti-Viral book on pg 41.  Recommendation is 1 tube every 6 hours, 3 per day, for 2-3 days in a row.  For Covid I'm planning to also roll this in with Bohner's SARS-II 3-tincture protocol.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:16pm

    TurquoiseRose

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    Same for Easton , MD

    1st CASE announced ( travel outside the county--not country) now waiting for case, case, cluster, cluster, BOOM

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:21pm

    TurquoiseRose

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    May be: Buhner

    Stephen Harrod Buhner - Amazon.com

    www.amazon.com › Stephen-Harrod-Buhner

    Stephen Harrod Buhner is the author of Herbal Antivirals, Herbal Antibiotics (now in its second edition), and 17 other works including Herbs for Hepatitis C and ...

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:23pm

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    Desogames

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    Aaaaand we're into the next phase

    Sorry to link my twitter again but i gotta say i told ya so on this one.

    Fighting the virus does not cost $750 billion. Nowhere near. $700 billion of that money is gonna vanish just like TARP did.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:33pm

    alanrgreenland

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    Gravity Actually *Is* an Exponential

     

    While we're picking nits, the Law of Gravity (per Newton) is actually:

    F = G*m1*m2/r^2

    So, that actually *is* an exponential, where the exponent is (1/2).

    (Sure, gravity is constant on Earth, because m1 is so much larger than any m2, and r is everywhere equal to the radius of the Earth, for all practical purposes.)

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:41pm

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    San Francisco Bay Area - 6 counties closing down except for essential businesses

    Effective at 12:01am Tuesday.

    Can't thank you all enough for getting us ready for this, Chris and Adam! And huge thanks to all my fellow PP'ers for your help.

    Ready for gardening, pottery, painting.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:46pm

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    Bay Area...Shelter in place!

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Bay-Area-must-shelter-in-place-Only-15135014.php

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:51pm

    Tycer

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    Medcram ACE-2 ARB vid

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 12:55pm

    Geedard

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    The British solution... 😊

    B718FA04-C7D8-48C7-A1FF-F9E80F8B39E8

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 1:00pm

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    Chloroquine as prophylactic treatment

    Based on several of the MedCram videos from a week or two back, Dr. S poked at the idea that Chloroquine's efficacy may in fact be based on it's activity as an ionophore for Zinc.  It helps get more Zinc into your cells, where it can interfere with viral RNA transcription.  This then leads to the idea that Zn supplementation, along with Zn ionophore supplementation, is a good idea.  Quercetin, a natural bioflavonoid product available at the health food store, is a Zinc ionophore.  I am taking both daily.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182877/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25050823

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 1:00pm

    Desogames

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    WE DID IT!

    The dow is down more then -13%

    We hit the 2nd circuit breaker! DURING the press conference!

    Or was it during the last 35 minutes so it doesn't count? Regardless; the Dow was down more then 3000 points. That's definitely a first.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 1:01pm

    kunga

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    Gov. Andrew Cuomo

    Yee Gads!  What a cartoon.  I try not to pay much mind to politicians, but this guy is floundering, way over his depth.  I am soo glad he's not my governor.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 1:08pm

    Desogames

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    Trump's comment just now set me off

    Trump Literally just said "The market will take care of itself".

    That's it. I'm capitulating. I'm upgrading this from instead a crash, to a cascade, to now a Capitulation.

    The market is done for. He's detached from reality. The fed has no clue. It's every man for himself.

    It doesn't matter now how astute the people around him now. The person in charge simply does not accept reality any more. There's no getting through to such a person. It's like trying to convince Goebbels that there's nothing wrong with Jews. It can't be done.

    Even if somebody manages to get through to him at some point, it will always be too late, because he can't accept reality, only the past.

    The entirety of the week will be a bloodbath now. This is an entirely new paradigm. Trump won't see anything wrong at any point. He's lying... to himself.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 1:18pm

    Desogames

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    Charts are in!

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/total-fking-global-carnage-worldwide-liquidation-accelerates-despite-massive-monetary

    My favorite so far:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/bfm364D.jpg?itok=WJDTea2t

    No way in hell we wont pass it. We're not even close to done.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 1:22pm

    km64

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    The difference between COVID19 and TEOTWAWKI

    Grocery stores, completely emptied out.  Daughter manages a dollar store, they had to call police, just to get the truck unloaded.  Walmart, and Meijers (regional store like Walmart), are both closing at night, just so they can restock the shelves.

    They can still restock the shelves, which means the empty shelves are a function of panic and poor planning on peoples parts (much like a hurricane or blizzard cause empty shelves.)

    Could that change in weeks/months to come sure, but that's not where we're at today.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 1:29pm

    km64

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    No idea but I'm sticking with Tylenol based on this...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection

    French authorities have warned that widely used over-the-counter anti-inflammatory drugs may worsen the coronavirus.

    The country’s health minister, Olivier Véran, who is a qualified doctor and neurologist, tweeted on Saturday: “The taking of anti-inflammatories [ibuprofen, cortisone … ] could be a factor in aggravating the infection. In case of fever, take paracetamol. If you are already taking anti-inflammatory drugs, ask your doctor’s advice.”

    Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system.

    The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol – which is known in the US by the generic name acetaminophen and commonly by the brand name Tylenol – because “it will reduce the fever without counterattacking the inflammation”.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 1:30pm

    kunga

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    Down Jones

    Hopin' for a 1:1 Gold:Dow ratio.  $10,000 gold and 10,000 dow.  Aaww heck, I'm not greedy, I'll take $5,000 and5,000 😁😁

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 2:04pm

    westcoastjan

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    BC update March 16 - 30 new cases 3 more deaths

    B.C. announces 30 more cases of COVID-19, including 3 more deaths

    total of 7 cases now on Vancouver Island 🙁

    BC Heath Authority asking USA folks who are non-essential visitors to not come to BC and those who do come must self-isolate for 14 days.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 2:14pm

    Nairobi

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    Got my 3000 DOW points thank you very much

    Desogames, that 3000 point decline in the DOW today may have been the markets first but it was still foreseeable. Indeed I wrote the forecast that this would happen on  yesterdays weekend thread. Of course it would have been better if I had taken more time calculating the price bottom for the reversal. My target was 19,590 but what we got instead was 19,975 just to prove I can be inconsistent within a single sentence. After all, the 3000 points was right so it was just my math that got screwed up and made an otherwise perfect prediction look retarded. But I have better things to do. I went long just before the close and I'm ready for tomorrow. The crash has ended.

    This is what I wrote Des....

    "What I believe is that there could be as much as 3000 points of loss on the DOW next week and we are heading to 19,590 as a bottom that can be bought for a genuine reversal (using the front month contract as my measure here). It does remain to be seen of course and should Dow futures soar Sunday night then feel free to write back and tell me I don’t know what the hell I am talking about. LOL"

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 2:17pm

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    A fixed exponent is not an exponential function

    f(x)=ab^x is an exponential where there is a VARIABLE exponent. Sorry to focus on this tiny stuff while all this important information is flying around but I want to have Chris and Adam's back where I can. Peace and best to all.

    http://math.andyou.com/pdf/328.pdf

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 2:25pm

    Nairobi

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    In the clear. All bull ahead

    Anyway Deso, the target was a fairly plain vanilla .382 fibbo. That's it....that is what caused all the headaches and stress today was we had to meet a basic requirement from which a bounce could later ensue. Without that there is no structure and the thing will keep coming back to haunt us and set up MUCH worse problems down the road. So it had to be this way with the day ending in the red and deeply oversold in the zone.

    But we are in the clear now.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 2:30pm

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    Geeze Jan

    Don’t go to B.C.!

    30 mote cases, is that a cluster or a Boom? Yikes

    😷 oh look, a mask emoji 👏

    AKGranny

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 2:33pm

    TreePlanter

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    Netherlands giving up?

    Monday 16 March, 19:00, the Dutch prime minister Rutte gave a speech to the nation, explaining that he has selected the strategy to let everybody get COVID-19. "... we try to use measures to level off and smooth the peak in the number of infections and spread it over a longer period."

    Full text in English here: https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/16/coronavirus-full-text-prime-minister-ruttes-national-address-english

    I feel quite depressed. Do I have reason to be cheerful in this madness? Please convince me that this is the right way to go.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 2:37pm

    Rajkumarijay

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    Grocery store doesn’t have enough product to stock

    I work for a printer and mail house in NH. We get many grocery circulars that get inserted into the weekly mail program.

    We received an email today from a very large Northeast chain.

    They will be canceling the printing and delivery of all of their circulars for the last week in March. The reason?

    “They will not be able to stock items that are in the flyer.”

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 2:46pm

    shimz

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    WHO today

    My takeaway from the press conference today:

    All countries should test, test, test to find EVERY case.

    The rich western healthcare systems are "lean and mean", normally operating at over 95% capacity. Efficiency is good in predictable times, it's not good for meeting the unexpected.

    The availability of protective equipment is a serious problem. Therefore health care workers need to get priority - they are the ones most at risk - and the general public should focus on good respiritory hygien, good hand hygien, and social distancing. "Wash your hands as much as you possibly can"

    When caring for ill people at home, both the ill person and his/her caregiver should wear a mask at all times. The rest of the family is at risk and should be protected. The ill person should use a seperate beedroom and a seperate bathroom.

    The virus is airborne but mainly in hospital situations like intubation. Otherwise it's maily a droplet infection. It's unclear exactly how long the virus can stay active in the air and on different surfaces since it depends of a number of variables such as humidity and temperature.

    Persons aged 60+ are mostly at risk. Children tend to get mild infections, but there are children who have died, so children also need to be protected.
    The mechanisms of the virus in children are unclear, but there hasn't been any spread among children in schools. A thing to take into consideration when thinking about school closures.

    And about contagion: 2 days before onset of symtoms and 2 weeks after symtoms have ended! (That's how I interpret what contacts of a confirmed case who might have been exposed.)

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:02pm

    Locksmithuk

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    Interest rates up

    To make matters worse during this period, it appears that interest rates - in Australia at least - are about to sharply spike. Key reason: funding sources from Europe have just become more expensive for Australian banks. This is direct from a senior banker at dinner last night. [Note that I never taint myself by socialising with bankers, but a fellow exec in my company is married to said news source.]

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:07pm

    Desogames

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    Nope

    You still don't know what the hell you're talking about. Your week target is 19590. Considering we're already what? 700 points away from that after a 3k drop in 1 day? Like Goldman calling the S&P2450 target before a bounce would happen.

    I did call the bad day though, 5 minutes after futures open. Even though the damn thing rallied after open then crashed on Trump.

    Which; by the by, was very telling. Cause it's a new paradigm now.

    The Fed has lost control. There's nobody in their right mind who still believes anything outside of helicopter money is going to do anything. This we knew. But Trump now has shown himself to be completely disconnected from reality. He literally said "The market will take care of itself". That means there will be no bailout. It's not even occurred to him that it might be necessary at any point. We're lucky to see a shale bailout within the next few weeks. We don't have a few weeks at this point!

    It's clear now that if you'll ask him whether there will be a shale bailout, he will say there will be. If you then tell him it'd bankrupt the nation, he'll tell you he's working with some very great people who are doing a fantastic job.

    No mention of gold by you either @Nairobi. Still holding at 1500. Quite a feat considering how massive the liquidations where today. Not exactly what you'd call bear market worthy.

    Silver off it's highs though! Blew past my own target of -25% from when i bought it in December. Rallied back up to it on the day though. Am i saying it's over? Hell no this can still go every single way. Money printing might push it up, liquidations might push it down, and i'm sticking with my paper/physical price decoupling. Good luck getting physical when the shop's closed and your city is under lockdown.

    Say what you want. Silver *and* Gold are safety measures of last resort in the mind of the populace, especially in Europe. In a situation like this where people run for the hills they *will* buy up all supply. Even if that takes a while. And i bought early so i didn't have to rely on the market bottom to jump in at the right time. Again; size of entrances and exits....

    You know what the problem is? It's not a dollar shortage this time. Oh sure it'll show up in the charts like one, because everybody is scrambling for cash. But why are they doing so? Why on earth would anybody hold dollars without deflation? I watched the dollar index, it's down on the day. If anything that's inflationary. It's definitely not the deflationary collapse moves you'd expect.

    And why is the cash going out the door as fast as they can get it? After all if the dollar shortage is so acute why doesn't everybody do the thing they would do in a deflationary period, and hold cash while it appreciates in value?

    Cause it's not a cash problem. It's a Collateral problem. It's a Quality problem.

    We've been trading trash now for decades and the bottom just fell out of the barrel. Now, suddenly, Quality matters again and nobody's going to take securities as collateral. Not securities based on assets like Mortgage Backed Securities. That is why the Fed is buying $200 billion of those. Because nobody in their right mind is going to believe a triple A rated security is actually Triple A.

    What's different about this crisis? Well it happened after the 2008 crisis. We learned a few things. Including collateral blowing up in your face because it turned worthless overnight.

    Write downs. Nobody wants to touch the word Writedown. I've not seen a single person even mention writedowns at this point. Seen alot of V shaped recovery predictions, though.

    Nothing outside of a $10+ trillion comprehensive package is going to move the needle or stop the deluge. Which'd basically equate to MMT and the dollar will hyperinflate over the next 3 years. Which, IMO, is going to happen anyway. It was coming; now the time table's just been moved up a notch.

    No. No we will end the week well below 19000 on the Dow. There could very well be a rally; after all volatility does stand for violent down And upswings. But this was Monday.

    And even if we get a rally on Tuesday; we will not see a rally on Wednesday. What we will see is more bad news that reminds us the virus situation is getting worse, the banking crisis is underway, and we might even see a bank run or 2 in europe if things get really hairy. Though that could be next week.

    My target? I'm not going to give any. I'm going to again point to my 7th of february advice to stay the fuck out (which would've netted me a good return on the available cash i could lend out at insane premiums a la warren buffet in 2008). It could end up anywhere. All the technical supports are nonsense. All of them assume this has happened before. It hasn't. We've never shut down the entire western world before. We're not even there yet! but it *will* happen.

    The infections have already happened. People who got infected being funneled through airports today will not start showing up en mass till a week from now, with 20% being in hospital 3 weeks from now. This is a very slow burning virus, a fact the market STILL HAS NOT priced in.

    If it had we'd see stories of entertainment company stocks going through the roof. Both EA games and Activision-Blizzard are down since the virus started. With millions stuck home from work. Until i hear the message coming out of blizzard that World of Warcraft subscriptions have increased significantly with people staying at home now, this market remains oblivious to the actual long term effects.

    This is an entirely different beast. But we'll find that out soon enough. We are still very, very expensive. You want a target? Here's a target:

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:15pm

    Desogames

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    It's not Australia you need to worry about

    All EM markets will sharply spike. That's what happens in general during a funding squeeze, we've seen it over the past few years while the Fed was tightening; for example the Turkish Lira damn near hyperinflating (though there's other causes for that too).

    If you're talking interest rates there's only 1 country that really matters. And it's not looking good.

    If Australia goes, that's just another ~20 million people country down the drain. If Greece needs another bailout in this situation the entire euro is done for. The Northern countries will not bail Greece out again. There will be a revolt if they even try. And nothing was fixed because the debt to GDP was still growing.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:31pm

    kunga

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    Gamer question Deso

    Hi, I am near 70 yo, not very tech. savvy.  Like playing on line Mahjong and an old text only type game "Kingdom of Loathing."   I want something not all blood and bashing, but where I can learn some skill, the way you have honed your strategy skills.  I am good at logic, symbolic, math, not so much.  Any cheap game suggestions?  Thanks.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:36pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Normalcy Bias

    Normalcy bias will get your ass killed. Or worse yet it will get someone else killed or very sick.

    It was my brother in law's bday last wednesday. He and my sister are in the Villages in Fl. He was 85. How he made it that far is a testament to my sister taking care of him. Their son and his wife flew down from New Jersey for the bday. They flew back home on Sunday. Today my other sister informed me that they were going out to dinner tonight. I lost it and started yelling in the phone. My sister said , my other sister  told her well it's not in the Villages it is only on the East And West coast. I was speechless. Then when I could speak again I asked how would they know it wasn't in the Villages since it can be transmitted by asymptomatic people for 2 weeks maybe more. I then asked if anyone in the Villages has been tested. She said she did not know. I told her she was not to see our sister and brother in law for 2 weeks if they stayed home. If they didn't the 2 week clock would have to start from when they went out again. My great nephew just got back from a CRUISE with his wife.

    This my friends is a small example of my stupid family. Now I just found out my sister's son is being tested on Long Island N.Y. for covid 19. My sister and brother in law plan on driving back to N.Y. sometime between the end of March to April 15th.

    I am currently self isolating with my wife and the virus is at least 180 miles away. How I escaped the stupid gene I will never know but thank you God.

    This friends is the normalcy bias of  the average Amerikaan. They will blissfully kill each other and others. I give up

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:49pm

    Desogames

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    @kunga

    Ohhhhhh now you're hitting my specialty 😀

    There are TONS of games that fit that description. But it very much depends on *what* kind of strategy you're looking for. So i'll list a few.

    The most strategic genre is 4x, so called 4X strategy games (Which stands for Explore, Expand, Exploit, Exterminate). They generally play slow, even turn based. The majority take place in space, though there are others. These games go veeeery deep, especially the classical stuff like Europa Universalis IV or Hearts of Iron IV. You need an university class to get the most out of those games. But a good game to start with is Stellaris. It's fairly intuitive as far as Paradox games go (a well known publisher of strategy games).

    Those games work both in expanding militarily and diplomatically. You can't just fight the world. Until, yknow, you can if you play your cards right.

    Then there's the Real Time Strategy genre. Honestly there's only one game that's worth it above all others right now and that's Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition. Looks nice with the classic AoE2 balance with an updated menu, mod support, *very* lively community etc. But these *do* require you to be a tad faster; as you now have to worry about build orders and such.

    Don't have to go all professional about it; but you will meet players online that you can't beat because of speed not strategy if you play competitive. I personally enjoy a good Comp Stomp more (get a friend, you vs 6 AIs aaaaand go).

    Now there's also a bunch of puzzle games if you're more into light thinking and maybe a little bit of quick reactions. There's *tons* that are easy to find, but a few of the less conventional ones (but also very entertaining) are Portal and Portal 2. Don't be misled by the first person view; it's a physics puzzle. If you wanna go hard on Logic and Obtuse things, The Witness and it's ilk may be more in your ally.

    None of this is touching Sims, or Simulators. There are strategy games that seek to more closely emulate life, which fall under Simulator games (and no i'm not talking about Goat Simulator, though if you wanna have a laugh). Stuff like the Democracy series; where you simply set policy for a virtual populace and watch them complain.

    There's also City builders like Cities Skylines that lets you run a city for the non-violent strategy games. Might not seem like it until your main traffic road gets congested and you have to figure out how to reroute your trucks outside the residential areas.

    I'll toss in Besiege as well. It's less strategy, more creativity. Try and build medieval siege engines out of blocks. But good for a laugh. As well as the Civilization series (Civilization 5 is a game i played alot) which also focuses on building up your civilization and conquering others.

    That is just the start 😀 There's many more, i'm sure there's one for your liking 😀
    https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/Strategy/

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 3:56pm

    Desogames

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    Meanwhile

    This is why i came here to begin with. I tweeted it at Chris but i might need some backup on this one. It's very important cause something just broke.

    Please read this entire twitter thread i made last December. I made it after looking into the Repo crisis myself, trying to find the interest rates (cause ZH wasn't updating fast enough to my liking) and i ended up on the DTCC GCF Repo site (https://www.dtcc.com/charts/dtcc-gcf-repo-index). I downloaded the historical data after i spotted a weird meltup at the end of each month, and i went a digging.

    And i found the pattern dated back to the 31st of december 2009 when the Repo rate for treasuries went negative out of *nowhere*. Ever since then, there have been shenanigans. It slowly built up until the repo rate went negative again in 2011; after that there's a strong pattern to be found until the repocrisis of 2019.

    Point is. Something just changed at the start of the week that made me say something big was up. A week and a half later; it's pretty much clear what. But then it did this:

    I can *guarantee* you that is not good. That is very, very, very much not good. I'm still not entirely sure what is causing those moves. But i do know some shenanigans put in place a decade ago have just evaporated.

    So i need the tribe's help on this one. Including some smarter-then-me people chris knows. Cause i can *feel* it's connected. I just don't know how.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 4:27pm

    vshelford

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    Long but interesting talk about various aspects of the virus and our response so far

    Kevin Patterson practices medicine in Nanaimo, on the west coast of Hudson Bay, and on Salt Spring Island, BC. He specializes in general internal and critical care medicine, and his field includes the promotion of health and prevention of disease. Among the acclaimed books he’s authored is the novel Consumption, which focuses on diseases amongst the Inuit.

    https://thetyee.ca/News/2020/03/15/Kevin-Patterson-COVID/?utm_source=weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=160320

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 4:48pm

    Copper’s Hu-mom

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    How do you define bad?

    Hi Deso,

    The only market I understand is the supermarket...can you explain your last post ?  You sure seem to know your stuff, but I don’t follow... What do you think is happening nad what does it mean to someone like me?

    Thanks, Kathy

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 4:51pm

    Barbara

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    Some stats from the singularity folks

    The singularity people are "on this" on the business side.  They did a sales presentation from their  [paid] entrepreneurial base today.  They presented a few statistics.  No idea how accurate, but thought some of the fancy graphs were interesting.  Here's the link for the videos.

    https://www.crowdcast.io/e/covid-19-virtual-summit/

    DNA sequencing:  crowdcast.io/e/covid-19-virtual-summit/clips/5e6feb414013d000514d7620  

    Economics  https://www.crowdcast.io/e/covid-19-virtual-summit/clips/5e6ff8e043fba30043db61fc

    Testing:  https://www.crowdcast.io/e/covid-19-virtual-summit/clips/5e700f81af674f004911e4ab

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 4:53pm

    Sparky1

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    PP & Co., thanks so much!!!

    Hi folks,  As you all know, things are rapidly deteriorating on many, many fronts. I've curtailed most out-of-home excursions and have been using PPE and distancing for any interactions near others.  This week I'm going into self-imposed full isolation as of 5 p.m. on 3/19, after my last obligatory, unavoidable tasks (I have two in-person doctor appointments this week that couldn't be delayed or provided virtually).

    I've been prepping in earnest since 2015 and significantly accelerated my efforts due to creaky financial markets last Sept. (repos) and Dec. (QT crash); then into mid-Jan. to present with coronavirus.

    These past several weeks I've been helping to alert and assist family members minimize coronavirus exposures and otherwise prepare for this pandemic, financial crisis and related impacts. There are a few gaps in our preps but overall we're in much, much better shape to weather this crisis(es) than most Americans. I'm still very anxious about what lies ahead. As Deso says, prepare for losses on many levels. I'll be calmer once loved ones are settled by Friday this week (or earlier if necessary) to the extent possible, sheltering in place.

    I and my loved ones owe a HUGE debt of gratitude to Chris, Adam, the PP team and this extraordinary PP tribe for helping us to comprehend, plan and take action early enough to survive this mess.  Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

    Please take care all. Stay alert, healthy and safe.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 4:54pm

    drbrucedale

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    Desogames: We Don't Do Politics Here--and Please Lay Off the F Bomb

    Hey Desogames:

    I know you are new to the PP tribe, so let me mention some of the tribal customs, namely: we don't do politics here and we don't do religion here.  Please lay off the president--if I understand your posts correctly, he is not your president anyway.

    Trump is perfectly correct in saying that the market will take care of itself. Chris has been beyond frustrated for years now that the Fed has used its power to fight any downturn in the market. He puts quotation marks around "market" to emphasize that our markets have been manipulated for so long that they no longer fulfill the function of price discovery. And Chris is right.

    For years, the Fed has been effective in manipulating the "market"--driving it higher and higher. No more. The interest rate tool is simply not effective against the coronavirus effect.  Now that the Fed has been shown to be impotent in dealing with the current raging coronavirus honey badger, the market will sort itself out over time. As it should.

    A lot of people are going to be hurt as the market sorts itself out, but there is not much that can be done about that. The Fed should never have inflated the market (it is not their job!) and people should not have bought on to the idea that "this time it is different".  It isn't different. The Fed and other central banks blew a big bubble and the coronavirus is popping it.

    The markets are going to correct...very painfully.  Finally.

    So please lay off the president. Keep politics out of this discussion. Let's try to help each other through this. We don't need more division among us.

    While I am asking for favors, please also lay off the "f..." word, either as a noun, verb, adjective or adverb.  I know the younger generation uses it continually...but not the older generation.  Rightly or wrongly, older folks tend to discount the knowledge/intelligence of someone who is addicted to that word. I have read your posts enough to know you have some important insights to share. They will have more impact if you can cut out the profanity.

    Thanks.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 5:09pm

    Desogames

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    I don't know

    That's the thing. I track patterns but i'm not privvy to the very inner workings of the repo market. There are people who are; but i have no way of reaching them. Chris probably does; he just had those smart people on his show after all. They will be able to tell what the hell is up with that pattern.

    I only instinctively know i'm looking at the problem the Fed is looking for. The MBS rate taking a dive. Because what the pattern i found says, as i understand it, is that the number *cannot* go negative. Every time it bounces deeply below 0 there's either a crisis going on like in 2011 or they're throwing money at the market like after december 2009.

    See that's the weird thing. The whole crash happened in 08/09, but not from december 09 into '10. The bailouts where in full swing by then. Obama had been president almost a year.

    The pattern of those melt ups at the end of the month doesn't exist before then. Out of nowhere, the MBS repo rates cratered in the end of december 2009. I mean it crashed negative HARD.

    To back up a bit, around i think december 15th of last year, Zoltan Poszar, who built the repo market, issued a warning there'd be another crash by years end because of funding issues around the "turn", or the last funding day of the year. A day later Powell promised to print $500 billion dollars in repos through year end to prevent this "bad turn" from happening, indicating how bad that problem was. the problem being a spike upwards in rates like in september 2019.

    But this rate cratering downwards lines up well with the build up of the pattern in the repo rates. AKA; the 1st time it cratered, the pattern appeared in pieces, after the 2nd time it dipped negative, the pattern completed itself and both MBS and Treasury repos began having these "melt ups" at the end of the month.

    Point is; you'd expect a steady line. Sure, it moves up and down with events. But when it starts moving up at the end of the month, in a fairly regular pattern.... That's man made. That's not some world event doing that. You could say; maybe it's end of the month funding or balance sheet movements. But then it'd be *more* regular. Why one month yes and the other month no? Why does the melt up in march stop happening?

    The pattern also seems to change and die out with the rising of the rates Jay Powell did from 2016 onwards. As rates rise, the melt ups lessen in frequency and in strength (thats what the multiples indicate).

    Now all of this is based around the "bad turn" principle. Printing alot of money to prevent a massive melt up such as in december 2018. But when you look at the moves in percentages, previous year turns where either much worse, and nobody gave a shit, or *they didn;t exist at all*. There's clearly no correlation between printing money and when the end of the year turn happens or not. Either it does or it doesn't, not both. Meanwhile the repomarket just kept humming along.

    The change in the pattern i found however does explain why the repo market went on the fritz. Whatever that pattern was, they need to bring it back, or whatever Bernanke in 2009 was trying to prevent will happen.

    What that is i don't know. All i know is, i see a pattern that *has* to be man made, cannot be linked to quarter end balance sheet changes by big banks (cause it's too random for that) but it does line up with JP Morgan, as ZH aledges, slowly draining liquidity out of the repo market over a period of about a year.

    The problems is probably marginal liquidity if i had to guess. There's just no margin to absorb shocks. For whatever reasons, if that melt up pattern doesn't happen at the end of a month, everything tanks. Where it before was possible to not have that end of the month melt up pattern, that is no longer possible, because the moment it stopped everything died.

    so *whatever* is causing that melt up must also be a clue to the solution of this problem. If there's a crash without the melt up, and no crash with it, we need a melt up. Not to mention the melt ups became really pronounced even in september after the repo crisis. So who or what is causing it and why? And what is it to begin with? Because i have no idea why end of the month spikes prevent huge drops or middle month spikes.

    It makes no sense. But i can still smell a rat. I can hear a ghost. So i need a couple of ghost busters 😀

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 5:22pm

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Two Threads

    Would it be possible for those who want to discuss the market, gold, silver etc have their own thread?  Those who are new to the site and who want Honey Badger info can more easily find it?

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 5:24pm

    TurquoiseRose

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    Oscillococcinum® Direct link to paper

    Papp R. et al. Oscillococcinum® in patients with influenza-like syndromes: A placebo-controlled double-blind evaluation. British Homeopathic Journal 1998, 87, 69-76

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 5:25pm

    Sparky1

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    Chris' newest video: "Public Panic and Market Carnage" (3/16)

    "Coronavirus: Public Panic & Market Carnage" (3/16/20)

    https://youtu.be/_8QiUTWVnjQ

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 5:56pm

    dtrammel

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    Posts: 801

    Rather Not See This Place Turn Into Zerohedge

    Desogames, you seem to enjoy pushing the limits here but you really are getting to the point where the benefits of your knowledge are being outweighed by the BS you cause. Throttle it back a bit guy, please.

    There's a time and place for being an asshole, and this isn't it.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 5:58pm

    alanrgreenland

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    Gold & Silver Group on PP Already Exists

    There is already a group on PP that discusses precious metals:

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forums/peakprosperity-discussions/general-discussion-and-questions/financial/gold-silver/

    And @davefairtex does a daily (or nearly so) post on PMs, which generally is linked from the Daily Digests.  Here is the latest:

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/pm-weekly-market-commentary-03-13-2020/

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 6:05pm

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 1019

    Desigames

    By INSISTING upon using the F-word it cheapens this site and to a new visitor appears to be on par with say a Jerry Springer discussion.

    Being articulate surely you can get a point across without trying to be the sites vulgar badass.  How about, the brainy, helpful guy?

    Didn’t I see something in the sites guidelines about vulgar, foul language?

    AKGrannyWGrit

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 6:23pm

    drbrucedale

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    Good grief.

    Well, you didn't sway me with your logic, reasoning or choice of words. Too bad you refuse to follow the standards of this site.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 6:40pm

    mweight01

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    Time to secure the trashtalk

    Rather Not See This Place Turn Into Zerohedge
    Hey people, we don't have time for a pissing contest here, so secure all this nonsense and stick to the reason we all come here:  the urgency of the world situation at present.  You/we all have something to contribute, so do it!

    My US$0.02

    Mike, from the Florida Gulf Coast

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 6:50pm

    NorthElkhound

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    NorthElkhound said:

    I work for a home health agency. We do not do medical assistance but help with baths, cleaning, cooking, grocery shopping, laundry. I asked my owner today what the status of agencies like ours is. She said the government has yet to decide if we are "essential workers."

    Here's my question. I want to support my clients but I am age 68. Do I try my best to follow personal protection (hand washing, wipes, sanitizer) while being physically close to these folks?  I own N95 masks but that would frighten my clients.

    Or do I protect my own health and stay home? My health is great and I have no chronic health problems.

    When I see doctors and nurses fall deathly ill, who have the best PPE, what makes me think I am immune?

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 7:02pm

    Onward

    Onward

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    to continue working?

    Things like this are a very personal decision, but if it were me I'd quit the job until whenever I could get the vaccine that will be developed.  You can always go back to work later.  You're in an age group yourself that is at risk......I just had this conversation with a relative last night who is in a similar position that you are in.  Wishing the very best for good health in the weeks and months to come!

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 7:07pm

    Adam Taggart

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    Moderator In The House

    OK, we've just removed Desogames' posting privileges and informed him he's under Moderator Review going forward.

    His recent posts, in their quality, tone & frequency, have violated a number of this site's clearly stated Posting Guidelines & Rules. He had also received a previous warning along with the invitation to demonstrate he could abide by those guidelines/rules.

    Among the specific violations are Inappropriateness, Hijacking and Tone-Deafness. If you're not familiar with what those mean, please review the Guidelines to make sure you're aware of the high standard of discourse we hold this community to.

    Remember folks, imagine you're at a polite dinner party, before drinks are served. That's the level of discourse we expect.

    cheers,
    Adam

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 7:27pm

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Posts: 1019

    Re- NorthElkHound

    When I see doctors and nurses fall deathly ill, who have the best PPE, what makes me think I am immune?

    You are not immune and it is okay to say I am not safe.  Think those CEO’s are on the line checking on their employees or have bugged out?  If you need permission to put yourself and your own wellbeing 1st I give it to you.  You work to take care of people every day, you are 68 and it’s now okay to take care if yourself.  Family may have to step in and take over.

    Best wishes, my 2 cents.  Good luck!

    AKGranny

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 7:47pm

    ao

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    thank you Adam

    Keeping your polite dinner party analogy in mind, Desogame's behavior has repeatedly been such that that point was reached where he needed to be vigorously escorted away from the dinner table to and through the front door in deference to the sensibilities of the other guests.  Much appreciated.  My blood pressure thanks you.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:04pm

    alanrgreenland

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    @Desogames -- Hang in There

    Deso, I agree with posters who have asked you to chill.  But I have also gotten value from some of your posts.  I am asking you not to leave in a huff, but take the suggestion(s) and moderate your activity.

    "God gave us two ears, so that we might listen twice as much as we talk."  (I'm an atheist, by the way, but that advice seems right to me.)  I've been a member here for nearly a decade, and I think I've posted 17 times (maybe this is #18).  You've been here 6 weeks, and your number is... much higher.

    In these tense times, we all need to take a breath now and then.  "When I breathe in, I breathe in peace.  When I breathe out, I breathe out love."  Think about how valuable this web community is, and how different it is from other spaces on the 'net.

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:13pm

    TurquoiseRose

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    Covid Tracking Project- may provide better numbers by state

    Covid Track Project

    From the site:  "
    ABOUT THE TRACKER

    The COVID Tracking Project collects information from 50 US states, the District of Columbia, and 5 other U.S. territories to provide the most comprehensive testing data we can collect for the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. We use technical tools to alert us to changes in the information states are reporting, but all the information we publish has been collected and double-checked by humans."

    https://covidtracking.com/data/

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 8:45pm

    Sparky1

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    Deso and questions about Moderator Review

    Hi Adam, FWIW, I agree with the views expressed by alanrgreenland but recognize the need for moderator intervention.  We're coming to an inflection point at this time in the pandemic/financial markets "story".  I'll miss Deso's unique and insightful perspectives on these matters, although would also like him to be a bit more considerate of the site policies and other members. I think he'll also miss interacting with many (ok, not all) of the PP tribe. Per my last question below, maybe he can stay connected via PP personal messages.

    I have some questions regarding the processes concerning PP members under Moderator Review.

    *  As I understand it, when a PP member is under Moderator Review, they can still post comments but their posts are pre-screened to ensure that they do not break the PP guidelines and rules.  Is that correct?

    *  How long is one placed under Moderator Review?

    *  Is the PP member barred from posting completely for a set period of time?

    *  If they are barred from posting completely, does the "clock" on their membership premium stop for the period of time they are under Moderator Review or barred completely from posting; or do they forfeit that pro-rated portion of their membership payment?

    *  Being temporarily barred, with the ability to return to the PP tribe at some later date is different from being banned outright, never to return again--yes?

    *  If a PP member is under Moderator Review, is he/she able to access Premium content?

    *  Can the PP member receive and respond to Personal Messages from other PP members?

    Thanks for clarifying the above, Adam.

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 9:26pm

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Re - Moderator Questions

    Soooo in order for Moderator Review

    When someone is offensive - if you could define

    • How often
    • How much
    • To what extent
    • How many people need to be offended

    Please, bullet point and double spaced would be nice.

    On the other hand we are in the middle of a World Wide Pandemic and, maybe, that should not be THE or A priority. IMHO

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 9:37pm

    Adam Taggart

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    Answers

    Sparky1 --

    As an FYI, after the first few times he crossed the line, Desogames received a warning from me over a week ago along with guidance to better adhere to our Posting Guidelines. So, putting him on Moderator Review should not come as a shock to him.

    To your questions:

    *  As I understand it, when a PP member is under Moderator Review, they can still post comments but their posts are pre-screened to ensure that they do not break the PP guidelines and rules.  Is that correct?

    • To post, they must send their comment to the moderator for review (instructions on how are given). If the material abides by our Guidelines, we will publish it.

    *  How long is one placed under Moderator Review?

    • That entirely depends on the behavior of the user. If they demonstrate an earnest desire to participate in this community under its rules, it can be very short (days). But it will last as long as it takes for that desire to be demonstrated.

    *  Is the PP member barred from posting completely for a set period of time?

    • See previous answer

    *  If they are barred from posting completely, does the “clock” on their membership premium stop for the period of time they are under Moderator Review or barred completely from posting; or do they forfeit that pro-rated portion of their membership payment?

    • Being under moderator review simply means you can't post comments; you can still access site content. So anyone under moderator review can still read any content they're paying for. So, no, there is no clock-stopping or forfeiture.

    *  Being temporarily barred, with the ability to return to the PP tribe at some later date is different from being banned outright, never to return again–yes?

    • Yes

    *  If a PP member is under Moderator Review, is he/she able to access Premium content?

    • If they've enrolled, yes

    *  Can the PP member receive and respond to Personal Messages from other PP members?

    • Yes

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:29pm

    Sparky1

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    Answers re: Moderator Review process

    Thanks for your quick and informative response, Adam. Maybe portions of this Q&A could be excerpted to include on the PP "Site Posting Rules & Guidelines" page for future reference, especially for "newbies"?  I think this process is fair, reasonably patient and yet sufficiently firm to ensure we maintain the integrity and civility of the site and its users.

    Being a moderator is a tough job (on top of everything else you do!!), but even more so with such an intelligent and passionate group as our PP tribe, who often engage in complex or controversial discussions. I appreciate all you do, and particularly don't envy you for your role as moderator. As you've mentioned during another rare but prior "Mod in the House" intervention, [paraphrasing here] we're not big on censorship here at PP, but we are big on respect, civility and intelligent discussion.

    Things are going to get even more stressful as the coronavirus and economic meltdown contagions spread over the coming days and weeks, with possibly catastrophic, lasting effects. Fortunately, we have PP as a refuge and resource during these truly historic, tumultuous times.

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:47pm

    gyrogearloose

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    Posts: 416

    NZ quarantine

    Hi

    A tourist who was interviewed on TV on arrival in NZ said she would not self quarantine as required to , and would go about her 2 week trip to NZ as originally planned, and laughed off being found.

    I think back to those videos coming out of china of people fighting been taken into quarantine, posted with the background meme that the authorities were in the wrong.

    Well this evening she is on a plane out of the country, after being escorted there by the police.....

    up to 11 cases here. up from 5 1 week ago. All either infected overseas, or partner of an infected overseas person.

    Incoming arrivals now getting checked up on that they are abiding by the rules.....

     

    Cheers Hamsh

     

     

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  • Mon, Mar 16, 2020 - 11:51pm

    Grayman

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    Re: NZ Quarantine

    12 cases gyrogearloose /Hamish. You're one minute out of date.

    case, case, ……………… BOOM!

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  • Tue, Mar 17, 2020 - 12:45am

    Dutch Boomer

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    Virus politicized ?

    First western countries that implement mandatory isolation at home are France and Venezuela (33 cases). Both having problems with their population and governement will be happy so see empty streats after a long time of unrest.

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  • Tue, Mar 17, 2020 - 4:53am

    LabCat

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    This is a GREAT group

    This is a GREAT group, and I think the admins do a great job weeding out the drama...

    That said, did anyone try just giving Deso his red stapler back?

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  • Tue, Mar 17, 2020 - 5:15am

    thc0655

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    Posts: 2029

    Max Brooks on social distancing

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  • Tue, Mar 17, 2020 - 5:18am

    thc0655

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    Posts: 2029

    Quarantine playlist

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  • Tue, Mar 17, 2020 - 9:22am

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Joined: Feb 06 2011

    Posts: 1019

    Thinking Out Loud

    Our money is based on nothing, continues to lose value over time, is created out of thin air and is stored in cyberspace.  Other countries no longer want it.

    Toilet paper is tangible, the longer you wait the more you need it, is created in a factory and has to be stored in a closet.  Every country will always want some.

    Maybe toilet paper will be our new money?

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