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    Coronavirus: Are Our Scientists Lying To Us?

    It's sad we even have to ask this question
    by Adam Taggart

    Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 1:01 PM

Picking up on our last video about the Newsweek report that the US has been funding bat coronavirus ‘gain of function’ research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, we dig further into the “Was covid-19 created in a lab?” debate.

Digging into the biochemistry of viruses, we are struck in particular by a genetic string of RNA within covid-19 — specifically the polybasic furin cleavage site PRRA — that has all the appearance of an “insert” (i.e., something that does NOT look like a natural mutation).

Chris walks through the science in today’s video. But as he does, he expresses disappointment and anger at some of America’s most prominent virologists — who seem to be more concerned with CYA tactics (perhaps because they were involved in the gain of function research?) than embracing the truth:

Look, now is the time when we need our leaders most, and that for sure includes our heroes of science. It seems crazy to suspect some of them may not be being forthright with us right now.

Hopefully that’s not the case, and they help us get the truth on the virus fully onto the table and into the light of day.

But until that happens, we need to keep questioning, thinking critically, and making up our minds for ourselves.

Don’t forget to get your free download of Peak Prosperity’s book Prosper!. Given its relevance to preparing for any kind of crisis, pandemic or otherwise, Chris and I are now making it available to the world for free.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 1:46pm

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    j0equ1nn

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    What happened to actionable solutions?

    There's been a shift in this coverage away from what actions we should be taking, and toward who to blame for the problem. Even if it's true that some virologists caused case 1 (and I'm agnostic on that so far), there are avenues for exploring that and this is not it. This line of public broadcasting invites: the argument about how case 1 got to case 1 million and which was worse, the ambiguous topic of intention, the dangerous generalization to whether we can "trust science anymore," and so on. All of that is political, polarizing, and antithetical to collaborative problem solving.
    Recall, not long ago, Chris pointed out the importance of actionable information, since otherwise, disturbing info (especially via this platform, I would add) is only a source of stress. That wisdom has now been lost. And so we have left the cerebellum and entered the limbic system. We have left the realm of working together to rise above this crisis and entered the realm of tribal thinking. The responses I got from long time Peak Prosperity followers for raising such concerns last Friday showed some of those tribal colors and I'm not about to engage, especially at a time when sanity is so crucial. These videos also go up in YouTube where the audience is much more general.
    Thanks Chris for the work you did on this up to now, but I think your priorities need a realignment. I find it helps to take a break when things get heated like this to avoid tunnel vision. Perhaps it's time for a proper paper on this rather than going straight to the pulpit! This audience needs facts they can use.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 1:56pm

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 2:01pm

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 2:02pm

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    Linda T

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    PM's

    I'm also having troubles reading private messages...

    Linda

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 2:05pm

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    westcoastjan

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    Comment on test comment

    Tried to post another comment with links to 3 alt media site articles - all important reads. The comment failed to post and went in to the black hole of disappeared comments. Hmmm... my spidy senses are working again. I sent a couple links to sand_puppy via PM to see if he could post for me.

    How exasperating. This is important dialogue, in contrast to comment #1 who I think is a troll back for another visit.

    Jan

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 2:12pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    joe quinn

    I posted the names and addresses of all the members of the house and senate.  If you start contacting them and millions of others do maybe just maybe There will be an investigation into just who is responsible not just for the release of the virus (if it was in fact released) but also for the pitiful response by the managers and supposed scientists who clearly are not very trustworthy at this point. I don't demand someone or somebodys be held to account, the millions who have lost jobs and businesses, the 253,000 who are dead and the 330,000,000 million who have contracted SC2 and counting do.

    As an analogy what you are saying is we just walked into the stadium of LSU (death valley )and 100,000 people have been killed and you don't want to know who is responsible you just want to know what time kickoff is.

    So here is a question for you. Just what do you think we should be doing?

    The owners of this site have provided untold amounts of actionable information through all of this for not one penny. Most of the people posting here have done likewise.

    You have been here a week with 7 posts and damn if I can figure out what you are bringing to the party. Certainly not anything I would call actionablr except for wasting my time replying to your ahem post.

    I am not going to ask you to leave or stop posting but just bring something useful.

    Here is something actionable as lagniappe. Take elderberry syrup, and grow a garden

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 2:20pm

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    planfortomorrow

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    Blows my MIND...

    So, way above my pay grade!!! However, I have no doubts that a decision was made contrary to all of Human Life to proceed with the splitting of a atom and dropping these microscopic, invisible, nuclear weapons on the world. Done in a Nazi type lab performed on the Jews of the invisible world and every stinking person involved including our investment into this sort of doomsday reality should cause a trial equal to the Nuremberg trials and every scientist who went along should be hung, shot, gassed or electrocuted to the point of death. How dare these MF'ers play around like this at all. To what end was this done? I suspect it was to kill as many billions as necessary, quickly, to get our population growth at more reasonable levels! Yes, extreme conclusions but, we have now reached into the realm of this crazy thinking that I guess I get to imagine whatever the hell I want. This is total and complete bullshit and must be stopped world wide beginning with the immediate closing and disposal of all deadly stuff. We have to stop this craziness now! I am so happy to have packed my bags and decided to live as far away as possible without leaving the human race so that I don't have these type Folks living next to me. I do not want them even accidentally in my life. Now I'm laughing as I realize I will be living in a part of Michigan where our town is controlled 100% by Midland Dow!!! Yikes!!! You can't get away even if you want to. Lock and load then... Peace

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 2:21pm

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    drbrucedale

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    Summarizing the String of “Coincidences” around SARS-CoV-2

    PP Friends:

    I would like your input.

    I have listened carefully to this and Chris' previous video related to this question: "SARS-CoV-2 was either man-made or not, i.e., it was either a natural virus or it was created by human beings. Which is correct?  (This does not mean that the possible “starting point” for making SARS-CoV-2 was not a natural virus.)

    From these two videos, I have extracted nine independent points of evidence supporting the idea that the virus was man-made and released (either accidentally or deliberately) from the Wuhan lab.

    Here are the nine points of evidence:

    1) The epidemic started in Wuhan, China

    2) Scientists are studying and genetically altering viruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV)

    3) The epicenter of the viral outbreak in Wuhan in late 2019 was only a few hundred yards from the WIV

    4) Up until 2019, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded work to collect and study bat coronaviruses at the WIV

    5) Beginning in 2019, the US NIH-NIAID funded gain of function (GOF) research on bat coronaviruses at WIV to understand how their pathogenicity or transmissibility might be enhanced.

    6) SARS-CoV-2 has a Arg-X-X-Arg region (coded for by 12 nucleotides) with high furin activity, making it highly infectious (a “gain of function” or GOF).

    7) None of the genetically close relatives of SARS-CoV-2 show high furin cleavage, making SARS-CoV-2 unique within its family of viruses

    8) Most natural viral mutations consist of one nucleotide change, rather than the 12 nucleotide “insert” observed in SARS-CoV-2

    9) Humans have successfully inserted Arg-X-X-Arg furin cleavage regions into other coronaviruses.

    I am hoping you can provide input on the following two questions:

    1) Did I miss any independent points of evidence supporting the idea that this was a lab-made virus released from the Wuhan lab?

    2) What contrary points of evidence can you offer (I would like to see some, really I would) showing that this virus originated in nature?

    Thanks,

    Bruce

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 2:26pm

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    aladinangel

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    How to do dirty stuff while keeping your undies clean

    It sure looks to me that our government tried hard to weaponize a perfectly decent Corona virus, and paid others (like, the Chinese) to do the dirty work, preferably in their labs outside of our sensitive public eye, then share the benefits. Well, the operation was successful, and "the benefits" have been shared (just not the way everybody thought they would be).

    By the way, at that time we were very close buddies with China, and Russia (Putin, in particular) was the bogey man. Oh well, how times change...

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 2:38pm

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    Video: was there foreknowledge of the pandemic?

    Hi Bruce,

    Hereby I submit my input. Here is a video that explores a similar question: whether there was foreknowledge of the Pandemic (or Plandemic).

    https://www.corbettreport.com/was-there-foreknowledge-of-the-plandemic-questions-for-corbett-059/

    Good luck!

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 2:39pm

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    One alteration in the "String of Coincidences"

    Nice summary DrBruceDale.

    Though the virus was first found in the vicinity of the Wuhan Lab, it may not necessarily have been released from the Wuhan Lab.  (But it might have.)

    Near identical CoV gain of function was being done in the virology labs of multiple nations, most notably, in the USA (Denver and UNC Chapel-Hill) and funded by the USA in other nations. (here and here)

    There is some concern that the World Military Games in Wuhan China in October 2019, with 300 US soldiers and support staff in attendance, could have provided an opportunity for the US MIC to sprinkle a few virons near Wuhan and blame the outbreak on China.

    See Unz.com "American Pravada:  Our Coronavirus Catastrophe as Biowarfare Blowback?" for an exploration of this possibility.  There is no proof of this.  But given that we do have a pretty clear neocon push to start a war with China, and this is the kind of stuff they do, it is reasonable to keep an eye open for the possibility, IMHO.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 2:54pm

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    planfortomorrow said:

    I'm reminded of the 3 little monkeys: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. If this podcast shows evil at work, it sure has, then it is where we begin in the story not where we jump off. These labs are still open, we have a glimpse into that world where the very best are taking our lives into their hands and concocting pure evil as a matter of policy. I think the opposite of what Chris shared today than you do. I want action immediately and not to set it aside until after we control this Virus, I want to stop all further experimentation now on anything their doing until we convene a council on what we are doing. Why on earth are we trying to make something that is so detrimental to the human race? These Virus research has no redeeming qualities but to kill. The craziness is their working on other Viruses as we speak that are more harmful, of course they are. Nutso! Respectfully Given. Peace

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 3:11pm

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    abernier said:

    I think Chris discovered some very scary facts and this might be just the tip of a big iceberg :/. After this video, I watched an interview with Judy Mikovits which is basically saying that there is a lot of corruption (and lack of ethics) in the scientific community in order to get fundings. I remember also Monsanto being accused of such practices/paying scientists to get studies proving their point and literally rewording some parts of the studies or asking the scientists to modify it or draw other conclusions. This sounds bad. The current situation is already surreal, but the corruption and bad intentions behind it could be even more troubling.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 3:26pm

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    I'm not optomistic about summer decline

    Central Fl. anyway has about the previous 2 months of bright shiny and for FL. comfortable weather.  I haven't discerned any lower trend yet. 

    https://covb.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/8412fff9d1524d759b2608352302aa17

    I haven't found a feedback for the site yet.  I wish they would provide a log graph so smaller trends were easier to visual.  And (unfortunately) FL. man is not just a meme.

    And yeah, de Blasio claims NY bails out FL every year; and he may be correct; but it comes with a really high price.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 3:41pm

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    vshelford

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    "actionable" takes many forms

    I am very grateful for the research Chris continues to do about the virus and its possible origins. The added awareness it gives me, makes me listen much more intelligently to the "updates" we get from our local health authorities here in BC, and make me realize that they may well be aware of these underlying probabilities, not wanting to put them out there and get sat on by TPTB, but nonetheless being extremely careful about saying what they know or don't know about the virus still, and not wanting to commit to a quick end to the dance. There are very decent, intelligent, hard-working public health people out there, as well as pols on the make, and I can imagine their difficulties. It also makes me very inclined to continue to be paranoid about PPE and rational distancing until more is known, and more widely known. Chris is widening the range of "known unknowns", if you like, and I appreciate it. And the garden is doing well 🙂

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 3:42pm

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    patent on a corona virus vaccine? Yes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Ja0fsnFO4

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 4:31pm

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    Uh oh

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 4:35pm

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    jerryr

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    Perplexed

    The paper by Yuri Deigin at Medium explains the same facts that Chris does, mostly towards the beginning of the paper, in a section entitled "A Killer Intro". About the PRRA insert, Deignin says:

    "So the virologists are puzzled. Where did this 12 nucleotide insert come from? Could it be lab-made? Well, virologists have studied furin sites in coronaviruses for decades, and have introduced many artificial ones in a lab."

    Isn't that the smoking gun right there? Why isn't the paper over already? Instead, Deignin goes on to discuss many other topics. A significant moment passes with no fanfare at all. Deignin quotes a discussion of "temperature sensitivity" as "a trait that limits virus replication in pulmonary tissues." The conclusion to this section:

    It seems that the creation of temperature-sensitive viral mutants to develop potentially attenuated vaccines was widespread at the end of the twentieth century. If you remember, in 1990, Ralph Baric himself also experimentedwith the creation of temperature-sensitive coronavirus strains.

    Could something like this have caused the Covid-19 pandemic? Several options are possible — from a leak during development of a potential vaccine to fundamental research on laboratory recombination of the bat and pangolin viruses. Some particularly ambitious researcher could even decide to combine the two “fashionable research themes” — adding a furin site and transplanting RBM from a strain of one species (pangolin) to another (bats), so that later, confirming the increased virulence of the new chimeric virus, they can wax poetic about the dangers of the same recombination happening in Yunnan caves or wet markets. And if such a researcher could even pre-emptively develop a vaccine against this and other potential chimeras, all sorts of accolades could await.

    Am I then saying this is what happened? Of course not, I do not claim to know what happened. Today, there is no evidence of this.

    And then the next section:

    Let us now turn our attention back to the virus itself. Does it have any obvious signs of lab manipulation? First, a few words about what “obvious” means. Any mutation can arise naturally, and even if the amino acid insert that had created the furin site in CoV2 was not “PRRA” but “MADEINWVHANPRRA”, there would still be a non-zero chance that it arose by accident. But for us, and for any court, I think this would be enough to prove lab origin beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Then Deignin resumes more analysis about "restriction enzymes" and "codon usage bias", and goes into some speculation about whether perhaps the RaTG13 virus is some sort of fake virus that's part of the cover-up.

    The conclusion takes this bizarre twist:

    Let me be clear: this does NOT prove that CoV2 was synthesized in the laboratory. Yes, as we have seen above, from a technical standpoint, it would not be difficult for a modern virologist to create such a strain. But there is no direct evidence that anyone did this, and strange coincidences cannot pass for circumstantial evidence. On balance, the current chances against this are still higher than for the natural origins of CoV2.

    Is Deignin shooting himself in the foot here, or what? And why? And then some inscrutable joke about the virus originating in a "lab" (meaning, the dog breed) and a homily about Deignin's desire that his post would not be "used to assign blame or propagate one-sided theories", while lamenting that "if there is even a 0.1% chance GOF research caused the whole thing, that chance is too high."

    In terms of meandering around a conclusion, this is the strangest, most elusive paper I can remember.

    But that isn't what perplexes me most about this hypothesis.

    If SARS-CoV2 is a man-made supervirus, then why is there so much evidence surfacing that the fatality rate is only 0.3% or so? Why so many asymptomatic carriers?

    Is this a "temperature sensitive virus" that was designed as part of vaccine research?

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 4:42pm

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    Good Job Chris, You've Convinced One Skeptic

    I haven't been much of a person who sees conspiracies in everything and have found the repeated push to contribute all of this to Bill Gates or who ever else the poster wants to blame the World's ills as a grand plan to (insert your favorite) here in the forums distracting.

    For one, I don't think its helpful to try and blame someone else for a problem, especially like right now when you are trying to deal with the fall out. Also I don't believe you can have a huge conspiracy with thousands of participants without someone in the know spilling the beans on it. A small group of people covering their a$$, now that I understand.

    That said, I must recognize when the data shows a conclusion I didn't agree with, as Chris did with the last two videos. He has made a clear and compelling case that this virus has been modified by someone.

    I would still say, don't spend too much of your valuable time running down the rabbit hole trying to place blame, if you haven't spent time getting a garden in, or increasing your resilience.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 4:47pm

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    CorbettReport explores the Pandemic as a Planned Event

    Prep101 just posted this link an I really enjoyed it.  The Corbett Report does a wonderful job connecting dots to this pandemic as a planned event (aka a "Plandemic.").    I would like to recommend it to those who are not too averse to conspiracy stories.

    Corbett starts by pointing out what significant financial distress was appearing in the financial and repo market especially in September 2019.  The FED had started to increase its balance sheet and prominent bankers, like the Dutch, were talking about acquiring gold to serve as a foundation for a "new" economic system that would have to be launched after the present one toppled.  John Titus explains that The FED is not responding because of the SC2, but the pandemic is cover for the toppling of the financial system Ponzi-scheme.

    Then the White House shut down the pandemic early warning system, PREDICT, for global pandemics.  As of September 30, the global surveillance system was taken off line and closed down.  (This is reminiscent of the way that FDR removed cryptography and radar from the Hawaiian Islands in the months just before the "surprise attack" at Pearl Harbor.)

    The first cases probably began circulating in October 2019.  A time when 300 US troops and support staff were visiting Wuhan for the World Military Games.

    Somehow, the NCMI completely failed to detect the pandemic developing.  At least that is the public story.

    Privately, several sources say that the NSC, Pentagon, White House, Israeli Intelligence and NATO were being secretly briefed in November.

    Again, the "intelligence failures" and "confusion" is reminiscent of the deliberate failures of the FAA and NORAD air defense systems on 9/11.

    And

    China owns Nature magazine’s ass – Debunking “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2” claiming COVID-19 definitely wasn’t from a lab  Posted on March 19, 2020 by harvard2thebighouse

    The arguments that SC2 "could not" be from a lab are flimsy.  It may very well be from a lab.  But which lab?

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 4:58pm

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    Trust me all that you see is planned.

    There are no accidents.   its all by design.. I hope enough people wake up after this .. and get rid of our government and its politicians.. bad actor scientists are just by product of this.  It is time, before humanity is wiped from existence.. and I do not think it will take much more.. food shortages are enough. and then its all downhill from there.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 5:05pm

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    Some virologists are puzzled by this PRRA insertion

    Chris's last video has blown my mind. This look like a consistent theory but I am not a professional virologist but an engineer in the industry. What scientists do next ? They try to disprove it as hard as they can. If they can disprove it, end of the game. If they can't, then the theory is getting pretty solid.

    I am currently looking for some ways nature could do RNA insertion/deletion. Interestingly, there is a wikipedia page on this topic. RNA insertion seems possible in some mitochondrias but I don't know yet if this is relevant to humans RNA-viruses.

    I also found this paper. It is about SARS-COV-2 and dates from February the 2nd. It belongs to to the field of virology. it is titled :
    "The spike glycoprotein of the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade" and, at the beginning of page 4 (on 5), one can read : "Strikingly, the 2019-nCoV S-protein
    sequence contains 12 additional nucleotides upstream of the single Arg↓ cleavage site 1 leading to a predictively solvent exposed PRRAR↓SV sequence, which corresponds to a canonical furinlike cleavage site".

    This article does not speak at all about how a sequence can be naturally inserted.
    I keep digging. If you find something about it, I would be happy to know.

     

     

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 5:08pm

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    Trying for another comment and linked article - fingers crossed it works

    Get Ready for the Next Game-Changer: the Digital Yuan

    A mobile app developed by the Agricultural Bank of China (ABC) is already circulating on WeChat. This is in effect an interface linked to DCEP. Moreover, 19 restaurants and retail establishments including Starbucks, McDonald’s and Subway are part of the pilot testing.

    The meat of the matter is that a digital, sovereign yuan may be backed by gold. That’s not confirmed – yet. Gold could serve as a direct back up; to back bonds; or just lay there as collateral. What’s certain is that once Beijing announces a digital currency backed by gold, it will be like the U.S. dollar being struck by lightning.

    That is a pretty big threat to US hegemony...

    Jan

     

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 5:33pm

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    When will we know?

    We may never know the truth.  But I sure hope someone is investigating and asking the important questions.  The virus is a crime against humanity and we need to respect those who have died enough to demand answers.

    Peter, Paul & Mary

    “How many deaths will it take till we know too many people have died”?

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 6:31pm

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    Cleavage

    Aloha Dr. Martenson,

    A post beyond excellent - very clear and concise.

    To the “gain of function” virologists

    “Ye doth protest too much.”

    The membrane bound protease to which you refer is probably TMPRSS2 (trans membrane protease serine 2)

    SARS-CoV-2 Cell Entry Depends on ACE2 and TMPRSS2 and Is Blocked by a Clinically Proven Protease Inhibitor

    https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30229-4

    “Priming of coronavirus S proteins by host cell proteases is essential for viral entry into cells and encompasses S protein cleavage at the S1/S2 and the S2′ sites. The S1/S2 cleavage site of SARS-2-S harbors several arginineresidues (multibasic), which indicates high cleavability. ….. Notably, the cleavage site sequence can determine the zoonotic potential of coronaviruses (Menachery et al., 2020, Yang et al., 2014, Yang et al., 2015), and a multibasic cleavage site was not present in RaTG13, the coronavirus most closely related to SARS-CoV-2. It will thus be interesting to determine whether the presence of a multibasic cleavage site is required for SARS-CoV-2 entry into human cells and how this cleavage site was acquired.”

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 6:46pm

    Hladini

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    Here's some action for you

    When I get this kind of high grade information, I use it to complain to my representatives.  This is a recent letter I wrote to our president - from actionable information compliments of Adam and Chris.

    "Dear President Trump:   Just listened to my go-to site for info on the virus here: https://www.peakprosperity.com/bombshell-covid-19-virus-lab-made-fauci-connected/?utm_source=Peak+Prosperity+Newsletter&utm_campaign=5322a93d71-weekly-peak-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d77483a02b-5322a93d71-144227153

    I KNEW I did not like Fauci and what I learned this morning confirms my  gut instincts.

    Had been reading/listening to snippets of Fauci's connections to the Wuhan Lab and his fucking gain-of-function research.  I've learned the NIH helped fund the Wuhan lab.

    I've learned that Fauci, Daszak and others were involved in SarsCov research which began in 2014 and ended April 28, 2020.

    What was the research?  To make a bat virus MORE TRANSMISSIBLE BETWEEN SPECIES and MORE LETHAL.  Woohoo!  Yeah!

    The Obama administration paused the viral gain of function research in 2014 and in 2017, during YOUR administration, the NIH conducted a secret review and determined the pause should be lifted because the benefits of such research outweighed the risks.  Anybody got a yeehaw?

    Fauci's fingerprints are all over this pandemic and the lethality of the virus.  BTW, Fauci promoted gain of function research into the Bird Flu too.

    It is absolutely Twilight Zonally hilarious this motherfucker is on the White House Corona Virus Task Force Leadership Roster!

    Just so you know, gain of function research is for the purpose of making virus' more transmissible between species and among species and more lethal.  That's pretty much it.

    Because of that stark reality, many many scientists strongly  condemn and oppose this type of research,  and it's why such research has been stopped/banned in the past.

    I know you don't want to hear this, but you look like a real chump standing up there with Fauci, or you're in on the gain of function research yourself."

    Yes, I'm irreverent but it's the only antidote for me.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 6:59pm

    Mots

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    What happened to actionable solutions?

    J0equ1nn

    I see that you joined 8 days ago.  It seems that you did not get the "actionable solution" memo about how we need to pursue sustainable community development outside of the matrix.  We warmly welcome  you to PP.  A big purpose of the videos in my opinion is to help people understand just how bad things really are below the surface, so that they can desire and work on (begin to get serious about) their own actionable solutions.  We welcome you as a new member here.
    Many of us (most of us at PP until February) have been around this blogsite for years and have been working on "actionable solutions" for years.  Some of us have already left our jobs in the big city, to pursue the "actionable solution" of resilience life by working on locavore.
    I am one of those who have been working on actionable solutions since 2009 when I bought 50 copies of the crash course and distributed them to unbelieving and ungrateful other people, people who even now have to watch these kinds of videos to get up to speed and finally truly appreciate how far gone the system is.
    Even us long term actionable solution folks want and need to learn just how breathtakingly corrupt the entire system is.  This is because we need to find out (as shown in CM's video) which swaths of the economy are totally corrupt and to avoid.  (this is part of the "actionable solution.")   If the "unbelieving and ungrateful other people" who I tried to teach the actionable solution of unplugging from the matrix 11 years ago had this kind of informative analysis from CM as seen in the last video, they might have woken up earlier.  CM still needs to make these videos, until everyone turns their backs on the elite and their dreamweavers.
    During the last depression, my father survived by living on a farm with a cow and a garden plot.  I strongly suggest that you find an actionable solution like that outside the reach of politicians and their elite managers ASAP.  Consider joining a small rural agricultural island.  It's not too late.

     

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 6:59pm

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    Sandpuppy, you're killing me

    OMG.  It just gets worse and worse.  I really appreciate the folks on this site.  Some good news, I went shopping today and about 80-90% of the shoppers/employees were wearing masks, and about 30-40% were wearing gloves.  Masks were both medical and home made.  Most everyone tried to keep the 6 ft. distance.

    Finally!  We were wearing masks back in February!  I was the first person I saw wearing a mask for several weeks.  One guy at Lowes felt sorry for me and took special care to get me my stuff; I think he thought I was a nut job.  One bailiff at the court house was really giving me the evil eye for wearing a mask and gloves at a mediation - about 2 days before they closed the courthouses.  I had words with a lady at the check out because she told me the CDC said we shouldn't wear masks, and that same day the CDC reversed positions!

    We are so lucky Chris has nailed this from day one.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 7:09pm

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    Effective action does require understanding what, how, and who

    Dear j0equ1nn

    We need to act of course.  But some of the actions may necessarily be focused on avoiding things like this in the future for example what research to not fund, and what organizations should not be trusted to conduct that research.   If Chris has his facts correct on the furin PRRA splice, then this episode is most important in this series. Even more, it should be watched by our representatives in DC so that we can protect ourselves from future occurrences.   respectfully.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 7:22pm

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    Monsanto = terrorist

    Abernier, Monsanto has a long sordid history.  It was Monsanto that sold DDT as safe and effective.  It was Monsanto that sold Agent Orange as safe and effective.

    It was Monsanto that made a secret deal with the good state of Alabama, that it could dump it's dioxins into a poor black neighborhood in Anniston - for years - and then settle up by paying some (reduced) damages for killing people in the neighborhood.  Imagine the damages if the dumping had occurred in a gated golf course community?  If ANYBODY else had dumped dioxins into a neighborhood, they would have been prosecuted as terrorists.

    Monsanto has hired PR firms to destroy scientists' lives, livelihoods, and reputations when it's product(s) is at risk.  Monsanto sells GMO seeds to big farmers, whose GMO crops then contaminate neighboring conventional/organic farmers, then Monsanto sues them for copyright/patent infringement.  They send out goons to actually find contaminated crops so they can sue farmers.  They have put OUT OF BUSINESS untold independent seed sorters, claiming patented seeds were being saved, because farmers are not allowed to save their seeds and replant from their GMO crops.  It's against the law.

    A case study can be researched from this citation:  Monsanto Canada Inc v Schmeiser 1 S.C.R. 902, 2004 SCC 34

    Monsanto sued this second, third or fourth generation canola farmer in Canada because its seed had contaminated this guys crops(!), this poor guy had to destroy 50 years of seed development during or as a result of the litigation, he lost at the lower court level and had to appeal to the Canadian Supreme Court and won back on the issue of paying Monsanto's attorney's fees, he didn't have do that after all, but he was financially destroyed.

    Yeah, Monsanto, another rabbit hole.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 7:41pm

    Hladini

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    Or Bloom where you're planted

    Yes, this video has actionable information.  I use the information from Chris to encourage people to wear a mask....hey it could be a bioweapon.....  I also use the information to let my representatives know I'm informed, I'm paying attention, and I don't like what I see.  I keep my adult children informed of what I learn on PP, so that they can keep themselves and my grandchildren safer.

    Most of us here on PP have long ago learned how to grow food, planted fruit trees, diversified our incomes, saved in other than fiat currency, paid off some debts, developed deeper relationships, started talking to/enlightening people.

    When I first joined PP, I started growing food and worked a Saturday Farmer's Market for five years.  Even though I had more gardening experience than the average person, there is still a huge learning curve!  Every time a client came for an appointment (I'm a self employed attorney who works from home), I would ask them, Are you growing food?  I was able to set somewhat of an example.

    Fortunately for me,  the people I shared with were mostly grateful and I found even uninformed/uneducated people had stocked up pantries, gardens, and friends.

    We got out of the city 27 years ago, just had not developed the property for self sufficiency until I received all of this transformative information.

    Motts is right.

    Joe Quinn, if you don't like the intel, go somewhere else.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 7:45pm

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    Per 1% of unemployment 37,000 people die

    Interesting perspective

     

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 8:10pm

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    CIA biovirus 2019

    The Chinese were speculating on this possibility 3 months ago. Here is an article from early February claiming:

     

    --- The 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) was designed by the United States and planted in Wuhan, China by the American CIA to serve as a biological weapon meant to decouple the US-China economies; and to separate, segregate, and to isolate China from the rest of the world including closing of borders, severing supply chains and rerouting trade to bypass China with the purpose of weakening China from within and causing internal strife and sowing chaos and discord and also as a prelude to a US initiated fighting war against China in the South China Sea. The ultimate purpose is to protect and restore American hegemony (including protecting the US petrodollar hegemony against the rising Huawei-enabled Chinese blockchain-based digital Yuan and China's Belt and Road infrastructure and trade initiatives in Eurasia) and to collapse the Chinese government, to cut off China from global trade and international commerce and to force a regime change of China's government after defeating China in a devastating physical war.  ---

     

    More at:

    https://cryptome.org/2020/02/CIA-biovirus-2019.pdf

     

    The article contains the original Chinese and an English translation. My wife, a Chinese native, says that the translation is accurate. There is no author listed, and when I first read it in February, I thought it was just CCP agitprop, put out by someone in the Chinese government to deflect blame from China. Now, after reading similar speculations, as in the article you posted, I’m not sure what to think.

    If true, there are some truly evil people in the US government. (and in all governments, but I guess we knew that already.)

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 8:24pm

    Hladini

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    The Big Short

    Hey Granny, they mentioned this little factoid in the Big Short where Brad Pitt chews out those youngin's for celebrating the 2008 crash (because they made an incredible fortune).  True story.

    The Big Short is a great film: funny and informative.

     

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 8:33pm

    Hladini

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    Manufactured Consent

    MCH, I spend most of time reading various sources of news that I have vetted for myself, and I often watch Chris' videos on youtube and always read the comments section to try and get a feel/pulse of the public.

    I am seeing  quite a bit of public discourse blaming china, wanting china to pay, punishing china.  Certainly many of those voices are probably trolls, but many of them sounded like ordinary people.

    When there is a major financial disruption, war is usually in the wind.  Maybe things get so bad we can't even muster a war?

    I hope Harry Dent is right and we are coming OUT of a war cycle and into a more peaceful cycle.  Harry Dent is THE go to guy to learn about cycles, btw.

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 9:03pm

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    Of course they’re lying

    What Dr. Martenson has put together 3 days running is truly inspirational. He has encapsulated a large amount of raw data, synthesizing a tour de force review of how the research community in the U.S. and elsewhere has sold out every last Inhabitant of Planet Earth by unleashing a bioengineered global threat (unwittingly or not), covering it up at the highest levels (NIH), then marginalizing the most cost effective therapy HCQ.

    Thank you, Chris.

    Now how do we push back?

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 9:06pm

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    Italian scientist says she discovered main mechanism behind COVID-19

    Annalisa Chiusolo shows how controversial drug hydroxychloroquine could make people immune to virus

    https://www.jpost.com/health-science/italian-scientist-says-she-discovered-main-mechanism-behind-covid-19-626737

     

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 10:03pm

    Linda T

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    Re: CIA biovirus 2019

    mch,

    I've been reading some comments, why would "they" do this, whether or not it got out by "accident" or was released on purpose. In the last few days since watching Chris's bombshell video, I read an online article that the pandemic is a 9/11 health event.

    I started a list of possible why's, and then I read your comment which included this:

    "--- The 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) was designed by the United States and planted in Wuhan, China by the American CIA to serve as a biological weapon meant to decouple the US-China economies; and to separate, segregate, and to isolate China from the rest of the world including closing of borders, severing supply chains and rerouting trade to bypass China with the purpose of weakening China from within and causing internal strife and sowing chaos and discord and also as a prelude to a US initiated fighting war against China in the South China Sea. The ultimate purpose is to protect and restore American hegemony (including protecting the US petrodollar hegemony against the rising Huawei-enabled Chinese blockchain-based digital Yuan and China's Belt and Road infrastructure and trade initiatives in Eurasia) and to collapse the Chinese government, to cut off China from global trade and international commerce and to force a regime change of China's government after defeating China in a devastating physical war. ---"

    After reading it, I looked at my list, and I thought it was along those lines:
    Money. Power. Having a global pandemic preceding a push for war against China, the neocons can justify us going to war against those “demons”, look what they did to everybody and what it cost us… Completely burying the fact that they out-sourced the lab work to China. Control. Population control. Firing the first shot in a global war over diminishing resources, completely disregarding the fact that wars are very expensive financially and eats up lot of physical resources which we're currently running out of. But a pandemic??? Geez... Different kind of war. Reminds me of Agent Orange and Vietnam. Bombs and Japan.

    The neocons love war, they want America to be top dog again. They wanted to start a war over in the Middle East. BAD idea, all it would take is for a few ships or tankers to get bombed and the Straits would get blocked off, or Iran or Iraq could just blockade it themselves and a HUGE amout of oil would get removed from the global oil supply/market which is already in freefall.

    Linda

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 10:34pm

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    Extensive article arguing whether SARS-CoV-2 came from a lab. . .

    This is an extensive article which has a considerable amount of info about the argument that SARS-CoV-2 came from a lab. What do you think?

    https://project-evidence.github.io/

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 11:18pm

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    planfortomorrow said:

    Jim, if true and it is, a patent exists before the release of this Virus to the world! I hate living in a world of BS but, here we are. Every time I feel we take one step forward into a world of enlightenment we take many steps backward to prove we are a violent race of people that who's only business is killing one human being many times over. It's not enough that we can drop a bomb and wipe out a large City but we must follow that up with Viruses and other forms of death just in case not everyone died from the blast. The thing I have always found interesting about this Virus is how pointed it is. It works best when you are in late stage of life. No need then to deal with Social Security or Medicare. My God, politicians would never be able to put their names behind such decisions to take money away from Baby Boomers, laborers who worked their whole lives to earn. So, just drop a Virus Bomb, engineered to take out the most aged Folks on the planet (mostly Black Folks) and live happily ever after. There is pure evil in this world and greed is what sets the fires a burning. Jim, you are a major positive to this site, I cannot remember a time you weren't an asset for all of us. Peace

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  • Tue, May 05, 2020 - 11:37pm

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    Further Information

    Hi Dr Bruce, Chris,

    I'm a mechanical engineer and oriented towards physics so I'm a bit out of my depth on this subject,

    but it screams at me 'go look at the Indian paper that appeared briefly in the media in early Feb'

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf

    Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120
    and Gag
    in light of what Chris has been exploring over the last few days this paper suddenly seems pertinent & credible,
    I'm afraid my background knowledge is insufficient to critique this paper,
    I'd appreciate your impression of it's content,
    with regards
    Matt

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 1:32am

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    New video- Dr. Judy Mikovits on lying old boss Fauci and the truth about the virus.

    Dovetailing on others' citations, if you're interested in learning the truth about the skewed "science" we've been handed, watch the latest interview with Dr Judy Mikovits.  Hear her tale of Fauci's profiting off tests/patents back to HIV in the '80s. Background-He had her thrown in jail on false premises, she was held without charges,  and had a gag order for 4 years due to research revealing that the human and animal embryonic tissue in vaccines was causing all sorts of diseases. BTW she's pro-vaccine and good immunology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eysytv2w3fM

     

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 4:16am

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    Merle Hertzler

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    Microscopic boxcutters

    So it sounds like the insert allows the S protein to be snipped in such a way that it then acts as a boxcutter to allow the virus to have access to the cell.

    And this coronavirus could have been floating harmlessly in the air for centuries, unable to invade human cells.

    And somebody asked what would happen if we arm each virus with a boxcutter? Sadly, we now know what would happen.

     

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 6:36am

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    That video is gone now

    any other way to access the Mikovits video?

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 7:22am

    David McKenney

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    The Mikovits video

    Try this one: must copy and paste it.

    https://plandemicmovie.com/

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 7:56am

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    2017 Article on Reinstating Gain of Function Research

    Was sent this 2017 CNN article where they announced that they were going to allow Gain of Function research to restart:

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/health/nih-deadly-viruses-bn/index.html?

    "Critics say the research could unleash a new germ that threatens millions if it is not properly stored or if it escapes from a lab."

    Prophetic don't you think?

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 9:27am

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    Good find Trammel

    This article references the 2017 HHS Framework for authorization to add gain of function (GOF) to natural pathogens:

    https://www.phe.gov/s3/dualuse/Documents/p3co.pdf

    If COVID-19 was created in Wuhan or another HHS associated facility and under HHS $3.7 million funding, then the formal review process should have been completed and documented as per the document above.  So either NIH authorized it or they didn't.  So why were the two initial NIH GOF experiments authorized in secret back in 2017 or 2018?  (Certainly these were not authorized in secret because they might be later found to have caused a pandemic?)

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 11:25am

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    2015 research on a chimeric coronavirus (chimera - created from disparate parts)- DR Baric UNC and Dr Shi Wuhan

    This 2015 paper shows work on creating a chimeric virus using a bat SARS spike derived key to unlock the human ACE2 receptor. The chimeric virus showed with notable pathogenesis. Co authors include Robert Baric of UNC and Shi Zhengli of Wuhan institute of Virology. I highlighted relevant sections.

    nm.3985

    Here is the link to original you can download:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

     

     

     

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 12:24pm

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    Island girl

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    Funding source for chimeric coronavirus created in the 2015 article in the previous post

    Originally omitted was the funding source for Dr. Shi Zen-Li:

    In the version of this article initially published online, the authors omitted to acknowledge a funding source, USAID-EPT-PREDICT funding from EcoHealth Alliance, to Z.-L.S.

    Here's a link to that source:

    PREDICT

    And here is the president of the organization:

    Scientists

    Notice that the President, Dr. Peter Daszak, is the same person Chris showed has been out giving interviews in the press claiming there is no way the SARS=Cov2 virus could have been engineered.

    Who gave this organization a mandate and what is the source of their funding?

     

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 12:28pm

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    Island girl

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    Ecohealth Alliance Partners

    Partners

     

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 12:28pm

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    Fauci knew about HCQ in 2005...nobody needed to die

    https://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/bryan-fischer/2020/04/27/fauci-knew-about-hcq-in-2005-nobody-needed-to-die?fbclid=IwAR0hkvjmdsUzh4lz_luDCwfVS4Riyw04ZBBTjyvx9QwlA0OP7kSF-DOcoO8

    Why can't someone Twitter this? Let's get this done.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 1:14pm

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    Nice find Island Girl

    I scrolled through the partners list and it was pretty impressive. Of course Johns Hopkins is there. They are out there in the news a lor these days.

    One interesting partner is NYC dept. of health. Now let me get this straight NYC dept of health is partners with these folks who are dedicated to keeping us safe from these sorts of pandemics? RUH ROH HOUSTON WE HAVE GONE BEYOND PROBLEM< WE ARE NOW IN CLUSTER FUCK TERRITORY.

    The NYC dept. of health has an annual budget of 1.6 BILLION USD. I am trying to wrap my head around how someone like Oxiris Barbot got put in charge of a dept with a budget of 1.6 billion. I am simultaneously trying to wrap my head around how this idiot still has a job. If you don't know she was telling people " the risk is low and our preparation is high"  go out and celebrate lunar New Year, ride the subway, go to restaurants. etc. Now it turns out her dept is partners with Ecoheallth Alliance.

    Somebody please make it stop.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 1:23pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Oxiris Barbot

    Oxiris Barbot gets $228,141 per annum to be the head of the health dept of NYC.

    She is now presiding over a pandemic which NYC has the dubious distinction of being the worst place on Earth in terms of cases/death.

    Her specialty is "health equity". That is code for "I am a liberal, democrat, progressive , socialist" you should all love me. She is in way over her head. She should resign and go work for Ecohealth Alliance.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 1:32pm

    Island girl

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    NY Health Dept

    Funny - thagt too caught my eye - go figure...

    And also Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, a finger in every pie

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 1:34pm

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    Corona-Fatigue

    Peak Prosperity, I am so glad I followed you early on.

    I stocked up early.  Maybe did not do everything right, but 500% more prepared than the average citizen.

    Well, I am glad I followed you early on, I have Covid-Fatigue.

    Everybody I know is very emotional in some form about the virus.  I hate the fighting on the news.

    When I am at home, I mess with my chickens or play Cities Skylines.  Days I work, I work and sleep.

    I only watch Chris a few times a week, sorry Chris.

    I appreciate that everybody here is still so engaged.  I have emotionally checked out.  It is all I can do to make it to work and keep things afloat at home.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 1:38pm

    David McKenney

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    Fauci knew...

    This came form the Paul Craig Roberts web site. I just want to let everyone know. This has gone on long enough, don't you think?

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 1:45pm

    Island girl

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    I hear you

    It is exhausting at first, then infuriating - but as some British person said - the sign of an educated person is that he can recognize tommyrot when he hears it.  Once you know the truth, it is freeing. Then you  become immune to the BS, find your tribe, and do what you have to do dispassionately and with good humor.

     

     

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 2:00pm

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    Important nonetheless

    It’s very important for all of us to know if this was a man-made virus, not least to make us aware of our bias in selecting trusted sources. In this case it looks increasingly as though large numbers of scientists, pharmaceutical, and medical specialists had deliberately lied about many important issues related to coronavirus: how it came to be and what to do about it, including which drugs are therapeutic and which are not. And including the dangers of vaccines, another area in which large numbers of “experts” have lied for decades now, at the cost of millions of ruined lives.

    It is of paramount importance to realize that the culprits are circling the wagons to protect their common interests, which run counter to those of the rest of us. We have to be aware of the malfeasance before we can decide what action to take. And also become aware of what companies are colluding with the promotion of the dominant narrative, and read what they publish with a critical eye.

     

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 2:04pm

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    not a US operation

    I still think there's zero chance this virus release was a US operation.  There is too much evidence against it:

    CCP never bothered to look for Patient Zero.  [conclusion: they already knew who it was - a poor lab researcher at the WIV]

    CCP staged a coverup, arresting doctors talking about the outbreak.

    CCP refused to allow any outside teams to search for clues about the outbreak.

    CCP staged a coverup at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, "cleaning up" the website, erasing names of various researchers who worked for Bat Lady; said researchers are now missing in action.

    A Chinese researcher wrote a paper actually saying it was a lab accident!  Paper subsequently was retracted  by the author, presumably with "encouragement" from the CCP.

    CCP almost certainly has penetrated the US IC.  Had this been a US operation, there is a nonzero chance China would have found out.  Since such a thing would have been an act of war, any detection of the operation would have led directly to a hot war with China.  Risk not worth any potential gain.

    The likely cause: a group of idiots sent a research task off to China to get some "exciting" research done on the cheap.  (Outsourcing - the model for the last 20 years).  Bat Lady probably said she could do it for 1/5 the price of what it would cost in the US.  Everyone shares in the glory.  Win-win.  Right up until the virus escapes - infects a lab assistant or two...killing them off on the way out the door, and that's all it took.

    And this small group of GOF researchers are madly covering it up now, because they know they will (rightfully) get the blame.

    Definitely the anti-CCP group (CPD-#4) has jumped on this event and is using it for all its worth.  Their enthusiasm to take advantage of this not mean they caused it to happen.

    From all I can tell, the neocons are entirely focused on the Middle East issues.  China is an afterthought to these people.  Neocons weren't involved.

    That's my sense of what the moving parts are, and how it all went down.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 2:13pm

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    Island girl said:

    Yes, this PPP research was multinational, but I too think the virus was manipulated and was accidentally released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.  Dr. Shi's name is all over this collaborative effort, she's been involved in bat corona virus research for decades with many of the other players. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is just yards from the wet market. Bats weren't sold at the wet market, BTW. The virus was probably carried there by an infected human, as of the first 39 patients studied a significant proportion had no connection to the wet market whatsoever. I hypothesize Patient zero was probably a lab worker. The intermediate species between bat and human was probably one of the lab animals being used in the in vivo "gain of function" research.  To my mind this pandemic is probably the result of scientific hubris - sexy but super-dangerous mechanistic research that had a high likelihood of causing a public health risk but a low probability of yielding practical solutions. The risk-benefit equation was far too skewed to the risk side. Couple that with a massive unscrupulous cover up, and here we are.

    Did anyone ask your opinion when your taxpayer money was directed towards this type of research?  What recourse do we have? This is the problem with unaccountable bureaucracies. At the very least, this needs to be aired in the court of public opinion.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 2:16pm

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    Dr. Anthony Fauci's ex-employee, was jailed, finally tells all.

    Watch the whole video.  But, HCQ starts at 16:23.

    Is this for real?

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 2:20pm

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    Sovereign digital closed ledger cryptocurrency

    Hi Jan,

    You are absolutely correct.

    Read the addendum in my free book

    https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/from-freedom-to-fascism-skip-sparks/1130048697

    Amazon edited it out.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 2:35pm

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    You may indeed turn out to be right, DaveF [Edited]

    Assuming that this was a lab bug, you may indeed be right that it was the WVI where the leak occurred.  (And I also despise totalitarian governments like the CCP.)

    So the pieces that are not fitting with the scenario you outlined above include:

    -Shutting down the Pandemic Early Warning Network, REDICT, effective the last day of September 2019.

    -Reports that the NCMI were secretly giving intelligence briefings on the pandemic to the NCS, Pentagon, WH, NATO and Israeli Intelligence through November and December.

    -The "staggering failure" of the NCMI (at least publicly) to report the virus.

    -Initial H2H infections may have been documented in October or November making the Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor late October-ish.

    -The prompt emergency orders by 11 state governors to prohibit the use of hydroxychloroquine for SC2 infections. [Edit:  Banning HCQ uses was the only aspect of the response that was prompt.]

    The spectacular delays in getting testing initiated and test kits made and distributed in the USA (months behind Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea).

    Xi stating that the pandemic had been caused by "devils."  He is Confucian that does not believe in supernatural phenomenon, so devils here would mean "trouble-makers."

    Some neocons have shown an interest in China and North Korea.  Not nearly as much as the ME, but some.

    [Edit:  And the timing of the pandemic relative to the increased stress/fractures in the Western financial system--happening at a time when the FED needed cover to print-like-hell.]

    ---

    Supporting your viewpoint might be [Edit: that a Chinese Lab] prompt publishing a paper showing that Hydroxychloroquine in doses commonly used for Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis would give tissue levels high enough to inhibit the SC2 infection.

    ---

    [Edit;  And Faucci's relationship to HCQ and Remdesivir is absolutely screwed up.  Remdesivir, was NOT shown to be very helpful, is administered IV, expensive, yet is rapidly advanced to the standard of care under an emergency order.  While HCQ which had been around for 70 years for the first time comes to be described as "dangerous and deadly" and evidence for its value downplayed severely as "merely anecdotal."  This is too screwed up to be accidental.]

    [Edit: And a coordinated effort at youtube and facebook to remove dissenting viewpoints (such as the take down of established Pulmonologist Roger Seheult's excellent series, MedCram.com where he discusses HCQ) does not make any sense to me either.  Even wrong information, especially wrong information, needs to be heard.]

    [Edit:  And the over extension of lockdowns to areas without risk of spread, such as the beaches, parks and mountain trails, states with almost no prevalence.]

    This has all the earmarks of a Deep State Operation, IMHO.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 2:57pm

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    chunks of HIV in Sars-Cov-2

    Professor Montagnier, nobel prize of medicine, said in this interview that he found chunks of HIV (which he discovered back in the days) in Sars-Cov-2 that did not get there naturally. In french unfortunately: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRnPw1su-GI

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 3:12pm

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    YouTube is now vigorously deleting this video. So it must be true. Alternate link.

    The plandemic video with Dr. Judy Mikovits: https://www.bitchute.com/video/mIEwe3JdjJhb/

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 3:38pm

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    plandemic video

    You can view the plandemic video interview by going directly to the website ... plandemicmovie.com.  The interview is posted there so you can completely bypass youtube.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 3:52pm

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    Trouble loading "comments" on PP "Mutation!" webpage

    I've tried repeatedly today to view/post comments on the "Mutation!..." PP webpage, but it just keeps buffering w/a "loading comments" message but fails to load. Is anyone else having this problem?

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 3:58pm

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    Thankful for this even though tired

    I'll admit that I listened to this one with some trepidation.   I don't want to know the things Chris is telling me but I watch anyway because part of fancying yourself an adult is opening that door even though you know that whats on the other side is gonna leave a mark on you.

     

    A lot of people seem to think that Chris is trying to pin this as a crime on one or a few individuals.   I disagree.  He isn't unmasking a conspiracy, he is describing an entire poisonous eco-system of disparate people, who all think they are ok because they are only contributing a small bit to something that is much worse than the sum of its parts.

     

    Blaming is important in a case like this because if the dangerous aspects of the current system aren't exposed and if people aren't held accountable, then it is only a matter of time before a virus that kills 20% of those it infects gets out of the lab.

    "Oops!  Whocoodanode?"

    Thats whats at stake when an internet site publishes an article about the "tiresome" people who still ask questions even though "science proved" it can't possibly have come from a lab.

    We saw this game of "no one could have predicted it" play out in the 2008 financial markets and the result of that interpretation standing is that we have the much larger 2020 bailouts ongoing.

     

    I'll keep my negative feelings about the future on both fronts to myself, but I admire the hell out of the people who try to make it better.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 4:38pm

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    Re: Dr. Anthony Fauci's ex-employee, was jailed, finally tells all

    Steve,

    Have been watching the video of her being interviewed,

    made it up to 11 mins, and kept backing it up a few minutes to hear what she was saying about the virus. I thought I'll just start typing what she was saying (I turned on the closed captions), and play, pause, play, pause, play, over and over. After a few minutes I thought I wonder if there is a transcript of this yet.

    This is what I have so far, in  case anyone is interested:

    "Vaccines are immune therapy.

    Wouldn’t use word created, but you can’t say naturally-occurring if it was by way of the laboratory. Very clear this virus was manipulated, this family of viruses, was manipulated and studied in a laboratory where the animals were taken into the laboratory and this is what was released whether deliberate or not. That cannot be naturally occurring. Somebody didn’t go to a market, get a bat, the virus didn’t jump directly to humans that’s not how it works. That’s accelerated viral evolution. If it was a natural occurrence, it would take it up to 800 years to occur, this occurred from SARS-1 within a decade, that’s not naturally.

    Do you have any idea of where this occurred?

    Oh yeah, I’m sure it occurred..."

    While searching and I couldn't find a transcript, I kept finding the video on various websites, and boy oh boy is she getting labeled a nut, it's a conspiracy theory. And others are mad, others are wanting to believe her.

    Back to typing...

    Linda

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 4:38pm

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    wotthecurtains - I Agree

    I watch anyway because part of fancying yourself an adult is opening that door even though you know that whats on the other side is gonna leave a mark on you.

    Amen to that.  There is evil in the world, better to face it then pretend it doesn’t exist. But we don’t need to obsess either.

    Tired too.

    AKGrannyWGrit

     

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 4:40pm

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    Re: "loading comments"

    I have also had that happen a lot today. I suspect the website is very busy, and because there are a LOT of comments in the newer threads, it might be taking awhile to load. I've noticed threads with fewer comments load right up.

    Linda

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 4:40pm

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    Sparky1

    I chalked it up to the gremlins or leprechauns messing with us.

    Is that possible?

     

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 4:48pm

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    Thanks Linda and Granny :-)

    At least these are equal opportunity gremlins and others are (unfortunately) having similar experiences. 😉 I've been having difficulties with my laptop lately so wasn't sure if it was just on my end.  PP website up against the limits of growth apparently.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 6:14pm

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    Dr Anthony Faucis ex employee, was jailed, finally tells all

    Well...

    I just finished typing the rest of the interview, not word for word, and I wanted to add this to what I posted earlier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFYFJ8fv3BQ

    “Do you have any idea of where this occurred?

    Oh yeah, I’m sure it occurred between the North Carolina laboratories, Fort Dietrick, U.S. Army Research Institute of Infectious Disease, and the Wuhan laboratory.

    Picture showed of article on “Fauci’s NIAID Funded Wuhan Lab Scientists to Research Bat Coronavirus” by Patrick Howley."

    We have seen this one already, but I thought I would include it:

    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

    "She said in 1999 she was working in Fort Dietrick. Her job was “to teach Ebola how to infect human cells without killing them. Ebola couldn’t infect human cells until we took it in the laboratories.”

    Nurses and doctors making webcam videos talking about the “CDC’s guidance for certifying COVID-deaths”. Why would they get pressured to do that, to shew the numbers?” Fear is a great way to control people and sometimes people’s ability to think for themselves is paralyzed if frightened enough and that’s not where I want people to be, I want people to say we’re gonna get through this,  I’m gonna listen to different sources, gonna think for myself.

    $13,000 from Medicare if you call it COVID-19 right now. If a patient goes on a ventilator, they get $39,000, and you’ve killed them with the ventilator because you gave them the wrong treatment.

    Italy has a very old population, they’re very sick with inflammatory disorders they got at the beginning of 2019 an untested new form of influenza vaccine that had four different strains of influenza including the highly pathogenic H1N1 that vaccine was grown in a cell line a dog cell line dogs have lots of coronaviruses and that’s why they’re not testing there you could just say oh it was that.

    She said that the AMA was saying, a doctor will loose license if they use HCQ, the anti-malarial drug, even though it’s been on the list of essential medicine worldwide for 70 years. Fauci calls that anecdotal. It’s not storytelling if we have thousands of pages of data saying it’s effective against these families of viruses for .50 a dose, we could protect a 1,000 people for seven days two doses a day with one $600 via. It’s essential medicine. The WHO, the FDA, the CDC, Tony Fauci, closed everything.

    Is it safe to say that anything that cannot be patented has been shut down intentionally because there’s o way to profit from it, all these natural remedies that we have had forever.

    Absolutely, that’s fair to say, and that’s exactly what’s going on in COVID-19. The game is to prevent the therapies till everyone is infected and push the vaccines knowing that the flu vaccines increase the odds by 36% of getting COVID-19.

    Where does that come from?

    A publication “Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season” by Greg G. Wolff."

    I found this link:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19313647 .)

    "Coronaviruses are in every animal, so if you’ve ever had a flu vaccine you were injected with coronaviruses.

    Video of a doctor/nurse? Talking about why not wearing a mask. Our immune systems are used to touching. We share bacteria. Sheltering in place, immunity drops. Reduces bacterial flora. More likely to get opportunistic infections, infections hoping we don’t have our good bugs fighting. Disease will spike once we come out of sheltering in place.

    No more dissenting voices allowed in this community. How we can be so folled, they’re driving us to hate each other. Hopefully this is the wake-up call for Americans. It’s good thing that the doctors are getting loud.

    She started a consulting company to teach doctors, which has been hard.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFYFJ8fv3BQ

    I feel sick. I feel heartbroken. I feel grateful I’ve never had a flu vaccine, never made sense to me, I always wanted my immune system to fight something, and would use either herbs or homeopathic remedies, sleep, etc.

    Linda

     

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 8:06pm

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    Joequ1nn - grannys comments

    There's been a shift in this coverage away from what actions we should be taking, and toward who to blame for the problem. Even if it's true that some virologists caused case 1 (and I'm agnostic on that so far), there are avenues for exploring that and this is not it.

    Why the hell not?  You want a bought off, lame, spineless loser to investigate, you know the highly educated, well connected SOB’s to investigate? (Laughter)

    And so we have left the cerebellum and entered the limbic system. We have left the realm of working together to rise above this crisis and entered the realm of tribal thinking.

    Your dam right.  Our tribe is under threat and someone is killing our members.  We don't like that!  Maybe next time they will unleash a monster that slaughters all of us. Asking questions is what thinking people do! Right?

    Perhaps it's time for a proper paper on this rather than going straight to the pulpit! This audience needs facts they can use.

    You or perhaps your employer would like that, a paper which would get less exposure than a podcast.  Telling the truth to the the people is a threat to the immoral cowards who are frightened of us knowing the facts.

    Why are you rallying against us knowing this information?  Do you have a character your Grandmother would be proud of?

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 8:31pm

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    Nature Article - A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence

    This Nature article was published in November, 2015 and described what Chris is talking about. If public keeps being ignorant, indifferent, and/or in denial about this kind of research, I think humanity will end up dealing with more deadly pandemic than COVID-19 in the future. So I am all for Chris's raising awareness about this as we need to make these kind of researches illegal.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 9:03pm

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    Poe predicted this?

    Is there—is there balm in Gilead?—tell me—tell me, I implore!"
                   Quoth the Raven "Nevermore."

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 9:07pm

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    Abstract - A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence

    Please note the key statements in the abstract, from 2015:
    ...we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone
    ....group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2),

    ...replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV.

    ....in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis

    ...both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.

    ...we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo.

    Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence ...

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 9:09pm

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    Island girl said:

    Gilead Sciences - makers Remdesevir? Couldn't resist

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 10:26pm

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    High Desert said:

    Just FYI, the video has been removed from plandemicmovie.com also along with a posting on Vimeo that I came across.  It is, for now, still here:  https://www.bitchute.com/video/mIEwe3JdjJhb

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 10:47pm

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    deep state operation?

    SP-

    Ok, let me try and address your issues one at a time:

    -Shutting down the Pandemic Early Warning Network, REDICT, effective the last day of September 2019.

    True.  But PREDICT would not have detected SC2, from what I can tell from this description of its operations.  PREDICT collected samples from animals.  If this is an accidental gain-of-function lab-release virus, collecting samples from animals is - not so useful.

    From 2009 to 2019, PREDICT collected more than 140,000 biological samples from various animals (potential reservoirs)[2] including over 10,000 bats and 2,000 other mammals.[5] Research teams of epidemiologists and wildlife veterinarians identified some 1,200 viruses with the potential to cause human disease and pandemics, including over 160 novel coronaviruses

    -Reports that the NCMI were secretly giving intelligence briefings on the pandemic to the NCS, Pentagon, WH, NATO and Israeli Intelligence through November and December.

    I'd have to see those reports - the "reports of the reports" could be part of the CCP narrative.  They are very good at pushing narratives.  They know how to push our "conspiracy" buttons.  They know we distrust our government, and they will not hesitate to take advantage of this to manipulate us.  I've seen them in operation.  They have identified all of our "weaknesses" and they exploit them ruthlessly.

    -The "staggering failure" of the NCMI (at least publicly) to report the virus.

    "The public" is not a "customer" of the NCMI.

    -Initial H2H infections may have been documented in October or November making the Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor late October-ish.

    Sure.  Lab leak may have occurred then.

    -The prompt emergency orders by 11 state governors to prohibit the use of hydroxychloroquine for SC2 infections. [Edit:  Banning HCQ uses was the only aspect of the response that was prompt.]

    Election year politics - I'm assuming the emergency orders were issued by Blue-state governors.  [yes?]  Likewise with HCQ.  Make Trump Look Bad, and protect those lupus patients from the Bad Orange Man.

    The spectacular delays in getting testing initiated and test kits made and distributed in the USA (months behind Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea).

    HK, Singapore, South Korea, and Taiwan were all hit with SARS in 2005.  They were on a hair-trigger for this virus.  That's why they did so well.  There was a good interview with a South Korean epidemiologist explaining this.  "The West" overall did a terrible job.  It wasn't just the US.  But we definitely did a terrible job.  Perhaps we felt protected by the travel ban.

    Xi stating that the pandemic had been caused by "devils."  He is Confucian that does not believe in supernatural phenomenon, so devils here would mean "trouble-makers."

    Ok.  You just shouldn't include Xi in your list.

    Some neocons have shown an interest in China and North Korea.  Not nearly as much as the ME, but some.

    Would you say the interest by the neocons in China is 5% of their interest in the MENA region?  That's my sense.  The allies of the neocons are making way, way, way too much money from outsourcing.  I'm going to claim that their "interest" is pro-forma and feigned.  They are - most likely - unhappy with the focus and energy having been removed from their area of interest.  Inside, the old mistress is jealous and angry at the arrival of a new mistress.

    [Edit:  And the timing of the pandemic relative to the increased stress/fractures in the Western financial system--happening at a time when the FED needed cover to print-like-hell.]

    The printing for all the crappy debt was fading into January.  The emergency had - mostly - passed by then.  I don't see "causing a pandemic in order to justify Fed printing" as a reasonable scenario.

    [Edit;  And Faucci's relationship to HCQ and Remdesivir is absolutely screwed up.  Remdesivir, was NOT shown to be very helpful, is administered IV, expensive, yet is rapidly advanced to the standard of care under an emergency order.  While HCQ which had been around for 70 years for the first time comes to be described as "dangerous and deadly" and evidence for its value downplayed severely as "merely anecdotal."  This is too screwed up to be accidental.]

    Yes.  There is something evil going on there.  It isn't evidence for this being a US operation to plant a virus on Chinese soil.  All the backlash against HCQ happened after Trump mentioned it.  Remdesivir can be partially explained as the by-now standard Big Pharma harvesting operation.  Fauci is their tool.  But there is something else there besides.  Someone wants bodies on the ground.

    [Edit: And a coordinated effort at youtube and facebook to remove dissenting viewpoints (such as the take down of established Pulmonologist Roger Seheult's excellent series, MedCram.com where he discusses HCQ) does not make any sense to me either.  Even wrong information, especially wrong information, needs to be heard.]

    More evidence of something evil at work, but also not evidence of this being a US operation.  Someone is taking advantage of this for their own purposes.  To advance their agenda.  Let no crisis go to waste.  But notice - this took time to put in place.

    [Edit:  And the over extension of lockdowns to areas without risk of spread, such as the beaches, parks and mountain trails, states with almost no prevalence.]

    Agree.  Someone is taking advantage of this for their own purposes.  Is this just blue-state governors (if so - it's deliberate election year strategy) or are these red-state governors also?

    Also, Cuomo looked strong with his lockdown, got lots of press attention, talk of "presidential" - all the other president-wannabees saw the recipe and cooked up a batch of stew for themselves, trying to outdo him.

    "Party of science", desire to look good, and of course, with an eye on the White House explains all this.

    I do think that there is "something evil" that swung into action which is taking advantage of this pandemic.  I do not think these are "neocons", it seems to be something else.  Not exactly deep state either.  Something else.  Gates?  I'm not sure.

    There are a lot of opportunists playing this for all they are worth.  Did the banksters set this pandemic up to get $10 billion in fees?  No.  But they sure took advantage of it when the opportunity came around to do so.

    Last point. The CCP have studied America.  When they want shape a narrative, they come with a menu of persuasion options. What pushes your buttons:  Racism?  Colonialism?  Xenophobia?  Donald Trump is Bad?  9/11?  Neocons?

    They try pushing them all, and they follow up with the stuff that lights up.  That's what they are doing now, here at the site.

    In sum - I believe this to be an accidental lab release by an outsourced research project gone horribly wrong, with a follow-on evil operation that is taking advantage of it and isn't shy at all about killing people, alongside a get-rid-of-Trump-by-any-means-necessary-even-if-it-means-bodies-on-the-ground election year campaign strategy, along with a Big Pharma-and-bankster opportunistic harvesting operation.

    Lots of moving parts.

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  • Wed, May 06, 2020 - 10:59pm

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    Good summary Dave

    I don't agree with all of it, but its a good summary of what fits.

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  • Thu, May 07, 2020 - 5:38am

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    PlanDemic Documentary - Fauci is a bad actor!

    This documentary exposes Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci as running a for-profit initiative... follow the money.   How is Dr. Fauci financially benefitting from Remdesivir?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiV_3mWRbKw

    I expect this will be taken down soon.  Watch it while you can!

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  • Sat, May 09, 2020 - 3:13pm

    Janie-em

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    Island Girl - "This is the problem with unaccountable bureaucracies"

    I agree! Thank you for all the links connecting the dots on Gain of Function. Isn't it interesting that the same old gang of researchers and research foundations (Daszak and Gates) keep popping up, at the same time they deny we should have any questions about this dangerous research and the pandemic? Here's another organization I'd include in that group: The Pirbright Institute.

    Your question: "Who gave this organization a mandate and what is the source of their funding?" is THE question of our time.

    I think if we followed these people and the money, we'd find out that Sars-Cov2 isn't the first lab accident and bio research catastrophe they are involved in. I don't think it will be the last either.

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  • Mon, May 11, 2020 - 1:21pm

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    Natural vs unnatural PRRA

    Chris, Adam

    A few rebuttals are underway to your video about the insertion of a PRRA sequence into the COVID-19 genome, notably from Henri Piccolo on YouTube. He specifically asks about why you did not address the Nature.com text which immediately followed your extracted text. The 'ignored' text is: "In avian influenza viruses, rapid replication and transmission in highly dense chicken populations selects for the acquisition of polybasic cleavage sites in the hemagglutinin (HA) protein, which serves a function similar to that of the coronavirus spike protein. Acquisition of polybasic cleavage sites in HA, by insertion or recombination, converts low-pathogenicity avian influenza viruses into highly pathogenic forms. The acquisition of polybasic cleavage sites by HA has also been observed after repeated passage in cell culture or through animals".

    Henri Piccolo also claims that his emails to PP have been ignored.

    My layman's understanding of the 'ignored' text is inconclusive. The text "The acquisition of polybasic cleavage sites by HA has also been observed after repeated passage in cell culture or through animals" suggests to me that insertion could happen naturally. It's the word "repeatedly" which has me questioning whether or not repeated bombardment [of cells] might actually create cleavage sites over a lengthy period.

    Can you address this issue [and could you reply to Piccolo], since it's reputationally important, and since the man-made/natural debate potentially has huge consequences down the track?

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  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 12:00am

    HenriPiccolo

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    Rebuttal to Chris Martenson's claims about the furin site

    Rebuttal to Chris Martenson / PeakProsperity' s claim regarding the furin clevage site (viz: his persistent 'where did it come from?' question with which he implies the site was deliberately added by scientists (see 'Are Our Scientists Lying to Us?) Chris implies that previous scientists have inserted 12 bases into other corona viruses to introduce a protease site. He also claims that such inserts do not occur in nature.

    Both assertions are incorrect.

    • The Japanese group he claims 'did it in 2008) used point mutation to introduce the protease site. You only need to look at the legend to the figure shown at about 26.53 in his video to see 'amino acids at positions 798 and 799 are changed into arginine to make the recognition site furin...'This is amino acid substitution and NOT insertion of extra bases. The other papers he refers to used more complex techniques but none of them involved inserting 12 bases coding for the furin site.
    • The inserted sequence is 5'-CTC CTC GGC GGG -3'. This codes for leu leu gly gly. That is, the additional sequence is not in-frame. The only reason it eventually introduces the furin site is because it inserts WITHIN the preceding codon. Which scientist, in their right mind, would do it this way? If it was desired to insert the furin site, then they would insert an in-frame sequence between two complete codons.
    • Chris ignores the fact that the furin insert is not the only difference between the S gene and its nearest relative in nature. There are 19 other silent mutation, a deletion and two other inserts. Why would any scientist make these?
    • Chris conveniently ignores in his video (Are Our Scientists Lying to Us?) the Nature paragraph (right after the one he concentrates on) which describes and references details of such protease sites occuring in nature oncluding by base insertion. Yet, he has the cheek, in a later video of his, to say such insertions DO occur in nature and scientists could have deliberately accelerated the process by using repeated passaging in culture.
    • The later discovery of RmYN02 shows that amino acid insertion between the S1/2 site has actually occurred. It took Chris some time to get around to this point, presumably because he knows it kills his furin site theory. Eventually, he gave a cryptic mention to it in another video but mumbled something like 'might not be a real insert', 'wrong alignment' and 'I'll deal with it later'. Well, later did come along in answer to a comment of mine on one of his videos. He made a weak and pathetic attempt to say 'it is not even a furin site' and 'align the deletions up diferently and pfft! The inseert disappears'. He appears to have plagarised Miranda Fischer's ideas about the PAA insert but spins it that it is his own idea.
    • My reply is: no-one claimed it was a furin insert. The claim was: 'amino acid inserts CAN occur in nature at this site'. Secondly, the PAA insert is between the amino acid sequences GAGVCASYNS and R-VGTNSII. These sequences represent the S1/2 boundary of the S spike. It does not matter how the deletions are lined up. The PAA insert is between the S1/2 boundary.
    • Furin sites are found everywhere in nature, including in other corona viruses. To spin it that such a site in SARS-COV2 indicates deliberate manipulation in a lab is irresponsible and inciting hatred of a whole section of society (scientists).
    • At the end of the day, the furin site discussion diverts from the major reason why it is believed the virus was not deliberately made. Quite simply, there are no KNOWN viruses that could have served as the backbone of SARS-COV2 even if modified by GOF methods. 96% similarity is not enough. This similarity amounts to 1100 base differences scattered throughout the genome.

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  • Tue, Jun 09, 2020 - 4:18am

    HenriPiccolo

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    HenriPiccolo said:

    Reply to drbrucedale, comment nr 8:

     

    1 not certain

    2 correct

    3 wrong

    4 correct

    5 correct

    6 technically wrong

    7 trchnically wrong

    8 wrong

    9 wrong

    suppl Q 1 yes, sort of

    suupl Q 2 see reply number 86

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