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    Coronavirus: A Dangerous Geo-Political Blame Game Erupts

    Right on cue, the finger pointing begins.
    by Adam Taggart

    Wednesday, April 1, 2020, 7:47 PM

And, right on cue, the finger pointing begins.

US authorities are now firing an opening salvo at China, claiming that the country misinformed the rest of the world about the severity of covid-19. And that better information would have spurred other nations to take the threat more seriously.

That would perhaps make sense if it weren’t such a crock of baloney.

Anyone paying attention (like we here at PeakProsperity.com) could see sufficient signs by late January that the virus was extremely contagious, deadly, and had overwhelmed China’s attempts to contain it. And yet US, and CDC officials continued to downplay its risks into early March.

And, c’mon. Who believes official Chinese reports about *anything*, let alone something as potentially disruptive as a brewing pandemic?

After all, we’ve spent many trillions amassing the largest security state in world history — you’d think that investment might actually get us some accurate “intelligence”. I guess not.

In today’s video, Chris explains why this blame game is both farcical and dangerous.

Remember all those warm fuzzies we were sold throughout 2019 about the great benefits of the coming China Trade Deal? Kiss those good-bye.

In a future that will surely put continued globalization into question, slinging blame, especially when there is so much culpability on our own end, will only increase the odds that China morphs from trading partner into global adversary.

The stakes in this blame game are high, and we play it at our peril.

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 8:12pm

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    karenpath

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    Concept of Operations

    The state is Colorado today announced plans for handling the surge of patients needing medical support. This mirrors other plans I’ve seen in recent days yet begs the question why it took so long..

    Testing continues to be widely unavailable with little coordination between corporate and state interests.

     

     

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 8:17pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    Feb 2 -- Chris reports on asymptomatic infectivity.

    April 1 -- Some chief medical officers in Canada concede that everyone wearing masks might provide benefit to others not yet infected, presumably due to asymptomatic infectivity. Still do not recommend wearing any type of mask.

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 8:29pm

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    RE: Masks

    This is currently driving me nuts.  It's great that there is finally a public conversation about it, but it is completely obvious (and kudos to Chris Martenson for saying this for so long now) that an airborne virus will spread far less if everybody wears a mask!  I find it hard to even have a conversation with a "regular" person about this -- the depth of the ignorance is astounding, and it drives home the impact that the lies being told by TPTB actually has.  Most people are just not paying close attention, so they get their cue from the "experts" trotted out on the TV.  And when those people flat-out LIE about things, it tends to stick with regular people.

    I'm reminded of an old joke about the Soviet Union (remember the USSR?):  A Soviet picks up a copy of Pravda and reads at the bottom of the front page an article talking about all the benefits of cabbage.  He shakes his head and says, "The wheat crop failed again."  We are all now living there and then!!  This is unbelievable to me, but it is really where we are now.  Fourth Turning, pretty much?

     

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 8:53pm

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    BCG vaccinations - different strains provide more protection. Very Interesting

    https://www.jsatonotes.com/2020/03/if-i-were-north-americaneuropeanaustral.html

    Interesting theory. Different strains of BCG vaccination may provide different levels of protection. US is most at risk, along with Italy, Netherlands and to a lesser extent Spain. Taiwan, Thailand and Japan potentially at lower risk. Link to scientific paper in the blog post. Should Americans get a BCG vaccination now?

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 9:10pm

    rushcard1

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    Concept of Operations

    Great info -- Thanks!

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 9:13pm

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    Ted & Diane Cohn

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    Garden Challenges

    I live in an alpine environment in a condo with a small deck and a very short growing season. Not sure what I can really grow in terms of food other than herbs, lettuce and tomatoes. Not exactly enough to live on. How long do you think food shortages will go on? How many months of food do you recommend keeping on hand?

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 9:22pm

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    pangiagreg

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    If the US blames China fora few hundred thousand deaths, is that enough reason to initiate war?

    Found this article and video interview plausible, wondering what other Peak Prosperity members think? Chris? Adam?

    Video Link:

    JR Nyquist interviewed by Mike Adams - coronavirus, China and World War III

     

    Article Link:

    Three unmistakable signs that WAR is coming to America: Pompeo orders all American citizens to “immediately” return to the USA

     

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 9:39pm

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    Open-source info was MORE than sufficient to take early action

    As Chris said, the US officials' excuse that "China wasn't being honest!" is just absurd. I think it's safe to say not only the U.S. intelligence community but also most administration officials know better than to take the word of China's gov't at face value. Russia closed its borders with China in late January even as China was stressing they "had things under control". Even Mongolia, which possesses a mere fraction of the foreign intelligence capability of the US or Russia, knew it was BS and closed their borders and flights with China about the same time Russia did, AND closed all the schools & public events as a precaution. The open-source intelligence available to ANYONE with a free internet connection was more than sufficient to merit taking action.

    Make no mistake, China's gov't DID screw the rest of the world over to a degree with their cover-ups and leaning on the WHO. But our gov't officials' lack of action early on is purely on themselves. They just lacked the spine to rock the boat, and decided to do nothing and wait because that's the standard "safe" play for any bureaucrat without a spine.

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 9:41pm

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    Ted and Diane garden

    If the nights are cool because you are at elevation ou might just go for high nutrient, easy to grow can take the cool nights :  Kale, chard, parsley.  Doesnt take alot of room, you can take off outer leaves to eat and grows all season, and kale and aprsely especially you dont have to eat alot to get alot of high vitamins.  Then, if you can have a large pot with a cherry tomato, that would be good, but make sure to get one suited for your area.  So, these few things can easily be on your deck.  Give each kale and chard plant at least 15-18" apart, and 12" for the parsley.  Your planting area for the green veggies ( chard, kale parsley) can be only 1ft wide, make it 1.5 to 2 ft deep, and then as long as you want, It can be a nice decorative feature along the edge of the deck by the railing.  Then a separate large pot for the cherry tomatoes plant.

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 9:48pm

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    (un)Natural News

    #5 comment recommends "Natural News" as a news source.  Perhaps a few things there are true but they have a long history of promoting hoaxes.  Reader beware.

    "Just because someone says the government is lying does not mean they are telling the truth."

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 10:03pm

    Linda T

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    Re: Garden Challenges

    Ted & Diane,

    Besides mntnhousepermi's suggestions, I would also add/suggest looking for some way to go vertical. Look for some metal baker's rack, storage rack, or bookcase kind of thing with 3 or 4 shelves with enough space for the plants to grow. Metal because it can support the weight better than  a plastic one.

    You could also look for a community garden plot in your area, or someone that you could use some of their land in exchange for some veggies, or some other kind of trade or barter.

    Not knowing exactly how large, or small, your deck is, maybe creating some type of hoop house for extending your growing season.  Something to support and hold up plastic film sheeting which bumps up temperatures inside the "house".

    Linda

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 10:06pm

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    Masks in NZ

    Official broadcasts say you dont need to wear a mask when away  from your lockdown location as it is not spread by air.....

     

    Suggested an experiment is done using a coughing infected person couching into a system that filters through a standard surgical mask and then through to the test subject, the health minister.

    If he does not get infected he was right.......if not given his age we will maybe get a better health minister

     

    Cheers Hamish

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 10:32pm

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    Scott_McDonough

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    Outstanding news!

    Dr. Smith: Game changer... Laura, I think this is the beginning of the end of the pandemic I'm being very serious.

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 10:41pm

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    Ventilator death rate

    Hi

    Has anyone seen any data on the death rate of people in Italy who were denied a ventilator due to the shortages?

    This information is rather important if you are considering stocking up on them big time.

     

    Regards Hamish

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 10:59pm

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    mark2, what hoaxes has Natural News promoted?

    Can you provide specifics?  Thanks.

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 11:05pm

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    Mrs. Presley

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    So Glad To Be Back!

    Someone in this community put one of the  Covid videos on Nextdoor a few weeks and it brought me back to this site. And what a relief it is to be here again. Thank you PP, were it not for you ten years ago, I would not have preps in place, a host of useful skills,  a husband feeling calm and confident in the knowledge we have what we need,  a garden growing, and a thriver mindset.
    With a few prep adjustments we were  quickly able to adapt to our new reality and be of help to those around us, and even to my 94 year old father who lives across the country in New York.
    Thank you doesn’t even begin to convey my gratitude...

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 11:28pm

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    Aerosol and Droplets

    Hello Chris, thanks for the outstanding work.

    I thought about an anlogy to explain people that infected particles stays in the air longer than we think. Maybe give the example of spraying parfum: you can't see it, but the smell spreads in the whole room and stays for long time. And of course: it's small particles travelling everywhere and floating in the air.

    Thanks again and keep up the good work,

    Andrea

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 11:40pm

    Grover

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    Sprouts

    Ted & Diane,

    Don't overlook the benefits of eating sprouted seeds. You've probably paid lots of money in the past for salads or other dishes that had sprouts included. They're easy to grow and are very nutritious. You'll only need space for a dozen or so quart jars, some cheese cloth, and plenty of seeds to sprout. The best part is that you can adjust your operation to produce just what you need just when you need it.

    After you master a few basics, you can reliably produce enough delicious sprouts year-round to augment a bland diet based on boxed or canned goods. Don't let your lack of space deter you!

    Grover

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 12:14am

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    'On the run' case fatality rate

    On the case fatality rates:

    'On the run': will be a severe under-estimate because time between onset of symptoms (most 'cases' will be identified within days after this) and death is 2-8 weeks (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext).

    So a more precise figure may be if you would have an average of this time span between onset symptoms and death, look at how many cases there were at time you would expect deaths to occur of persons who infected at that point and take this as denominator. Still not very precise, but maybe more in line with what to expect.

    Maybe I missed something.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 12:32am

    VTGothic

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    Food on Hand

    You need as much food stored as you can manage, up to as much as a year. The reason isn't just so you never worry about eating, but so that in extremis you can also share a bit with others.

    Start with an extra month's worth of food, then start rotating through, eating the oldest first. (It helps to date everything.) Then increase to 2 and 3 months. Better under the current circumstances, get 3 months food right off if you can.

    Be sure you're getting food you will actually eat - you want to start rotating it through your regular meal program. (In better times you could stock up some dried and freeze-dried emergency provisions from one of those businesses set up for the purpose, that you'd just put away for times when grocers are bare. But I believe they are very backed up right now, so you'd be waiting a month or more to get your order shipped.)

    Don't forget personal care items, pet supplies. Meds, too, if you can get some ahead.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 1:38am

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    Nuts X Infinity and Beyond

    Rant Commences:  I was gonna say "Nuts X 2" re alanrgreenland's comment above, but then realized that did not begin to encompass it.  Just saw yet another random doofus on MSNBC blathering on about the advantage of wearing masks, but mind you, he reiterated about fifteen bleeping times "NOT N95."  No, by all means America, wrap a strip of gauze around your face and call it done.  Gauze, N95...six of one, half-a-dozen (times a million) of another (viral load).  Who cares if YOU get sick, or your wife does, or your dad, or your children?  Just as long as TPTB get to deflect blame for their own incompetence and corruption.  Whatever you do, don't look at the giant corporations who are jacking up prices on their PPEs and dangling them for auction to the states.  (Didn't Amazon & Ebay shut down private sellers for doing a fraction of the same thing?)  And don't dare to inquire about who was paid what for those barges bound overseas stacked with the equipment our own hospitals need.  Oh no.  Don't ask why our "leaders" knew this was coming months ago, but did nothing to compel manufacturers to begin production of supplies.  Don't ask the WHO why they had to be dragged kicking & screaming to a Pandemic declaration.  Certainly don't ask why our media was so unfashionably late to the party in cautioning their viewers that this was coming.  No, don't ask those questions.  Instead, single out some random guy wearing a mask in the Piggly Wiggly and blame him.

    We already have stories of people being stabbed because of their ethnicity.  Is it really such a stretch to worry that some unstable nutjob will look for a scapegoat and attack people on the street because they're daring to wear masks?  I don't find it an unreasonable fear when the drumbeat of vilification toward mask wearing is as relentless as the repetition of "China Virus" was.

    Just a day ago, my daughter wrote to me about the masks I'd purchased for them a couple months ago.  She told me when her husband wore one to the store "the first time he got some looks."  But now, she said "Lately there have been a lot more people with them."  I was delighted to see that.  But now I find myself wondering what the thinnest fabric is that I could order from JoAnn's so I can sew a cover that disguises the N95 when my son-in-law wears it.  Oh, did I mention my daughter has had asthma since she was a year old?  When I purchased these painting & sanding masks (NOT black market medical supplies), and when her devoted husband wears one out of the house, we are trying to Save. Her. Life.  Neither you, nor anyone else, has to care about that.  It's not your job.  It's mine.  And his.  Save your own family.  That's your job.

    It comes as a shocking surprise to me what a shattering rage I feel when I hear lies being spewed on air about using this simple protection, and the implied guilt directed at individuals who do.  I've seen Ingrid Bergman's film Gaslight  countless times, but until now I've never fully comprehended the seething fury she expresses at the end when she confronts her murderous husband who has deceived and manipulated her into disbelieving her own sanity.  OMG, I hate being lied to, or lied about.  Rant Concludes.     


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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 2:05am

    Wintergreen

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    Never Gets Mentioned

    I'm not sure why people discussing prep never mention these, but I bought a couple Aerogarden devices earlier this year.  Kept one & gave one.  As long as you have a power supply, you can grow year round, so especially good for people with solar or back-up generators.  If you have the funds to invest in the jumbo "Farm" size, you can grow a ton of stuff.  The photo here was taken about 5 weeks after I gifted the "Bounty" model--they planted assorted lettuces.  You can get pods for bell peppers, cherry tomatoes, mini eggplants, herbs or buy empty pods to put any seeds you like in them--don't see why you couldn't do strawberries, small cucumbers, whatever, depending on your space.

    https://www.aerogarden.com/

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 2:18am

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    Vegepod

    Hi

    Can you get vegepods in the US?  I have one in my garden - it's 1m square and is like a mini greenhouse.  If you google 'vegepod' hopefully there is a distributor close to you.

    Nicola

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 2:22am

    NicolaHNZ

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    Facemasks in NZ

    Hi

    Did you see the news this evening?  Apparently they are 'seriously considering' the wider use of facemasks (aka for the general public) and are watching what comes out of the CDC 'with interest'.

    On my walk today, more people with facemasks.  The chemist was totally blocked off with a big plastic sheet and a small 'peep hole' for want of a better word, to pass through prescriptions etc.

    N

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 2:23am

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    rushcard1

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    It Doesn't Have To Be This Way.....

    Coronavirus: A Dangerous Geo-Political Blame Game Erupts

    This is another Great, and Informative Video, all the way around.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 3:03am

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    Really, already...

    At the risk of seeming emotional, I DO NOT care  for the blame game. It does nothing and is harmful but we don't have to draw conclusion on something when in real time we did for whatever reason what we thought was right. China didn't try and send the virus here. They weren't the ones that made our decisions. Trump didn't even have in the pipe line respirators, masks and the basic tools to fight this beast. Even if they knew Chris what we knew here they couldn't have done a damn thing. This virus has essentially just hit the world stage and to gather all the right people, retool to mass produce, I think it has been a miracle that we may, that's may lose 200,000 good folks to death. So, in very short order we are starting to catch up. Had we really done nothing then 2-3 million would have died in the US! So, thank goodness we didn't allow this to just go on without a fight and I imagine some serious Folks were contemplating just that. So, leadership did make the right decision and the people have done an amazing job of keeping the death toll under control and the health care system still viable. My feelings are always: sticks and stones may break my bones but names can NEVER hurt me is what this is all about. China keeps the rhetoric alive because of their political circumstance and so do we in an election year. Politics. Politicians are the scourge of the earth and it is my hope that the swamp be emptied and for this next election year. I want a majority in both houses. I expect a" large and bold" infrastructure build and thankfully we have a pretty good builder in the White House right now. Coincidence?

    To conclude, this is NOT a WWIII type bantering. Just politics, and the blame game shouldn't even be written about. It's a non issue unless we are determined to incite ourselves bad outcomes. I just ignore this stuff normally but, you are my go to guy and every word you speak I am compelled to respectfully listen to. All I care about Chris is today, the cause I'll fight for today is VIRUS CONTAINMENT not political rhetoric. I think in the not to distant future the fight won't be with China but with ourselves when we start to rebuild and the good folks are hungry. They see who benefitted from the bail out and all eyes will again look at the Rich. How they live in such luxury on all our dimes. I think the biggest fight will be between the classes and the Rich are going to get so much of their ill gotten gain clawed back as they didn't earned it. They haven't been all that supportive of the middle class who worked their asses off as they skimmed their penny's and became grossly Rich. China is the last ones I'm worried about.

    I like Ms. Birx's, she a very pleasant person and I haven't been anything but impressed with her honesty and Lady like postures. She's simply brilliant. She's saving a lot of lives, I can forgive her an incomplete thought or two, she's not a politician. I know their all bullshitting. I seen her comments, she was talking about data and because of China's bogus reports it effected the data. We often here at PP state that we are only as good as our data, what goes in matters. I think you could have made this clear. It doesn't matter what we think, what matters is the data and China did for a fact negatively effect the models and the truth is this combined data with the other date around the world DID cause decisions to be made because of the data. I believe that was her LARGER point. I'm certain of this. Chris, you have been a national asset, Adam as well and I for one appreciate everything you both have done. I really love that Charles H. Smith is a part of the dream team. He simply speaks the language that all can understand, and he's brilliant at it. Certainly not condescending, he is simply a great writer of thoughts and he speaks clearly. You know he's right and you can pretty much end your research once Charles defines what you are looking for. I love the dude. I favor him above all others. Checks in the mail Charles. Peace

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 4:31am

    pangiagreg

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    Thank you Mark

    I’m not familiar with the source nor their reputation so thought I’d ask here on Peak Prosperity. I appreciate your reply.  Greg

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 4:49am

    pangiagreg

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    Which video Scott?

    I see a lust if videos at the link you provided. Which one are you referring to?

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:00am

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    Intelligence “failures”

    I’m 100% sure there were analysts and supervisors at the CIA, DIA, etc. who saw the pandemic threat in China very early (late December?) and started sending urgent memos up the chain of command trying to get someone’s attention. But for reasons of incompetence, corruption, politics, or even personal animus they were ignored, reassigned, fired or whatever it took to effectively shut them down.

    Didnt the same intelligence “failures” occur in the lead up to the attack on Pearl Harbor and 9-11, etc.? And this pandemic was much easier to see coming early on than either of those. So the narrative will be: “No one could’ve seen this coming!”  The analysts and agents who tried to sound the warning will feel justified but extremely bitter and there will be NO RECKONING for the mid- and upper-level managers who received the warnings from their own people but silenced them.

    So the big question in my mind is, “Was this incompetence or did some evil political calculation dictate letting the pandemic get a running start at us?” Roosevelt needed an attack on the US to arouse the public so they could be led into WWII, so he and his advisors “missed” the intelligence warnings. Whose agenda benefits from the US allowing a pandemic to get up a full head of steam before we start getting serious about stopping it?

    On another note (of failure and corruption), if I ran the zoo here in the US I’d defund the WHO and the CDC and create something new to replace them with competent people. Every institution has a life cycle and those two are clearly incompetent at the one thing they’re supposed to do. The rot runs throughout them so it would be best to start over rather than risk accidentally keeping staff and an institutional culture that are at the core of the problem. Merely removing a couple of executives would be insufficient to cut out the cancer completely. But we’re in a totally corrupt, Fourth Turning world so the chances of that are slim (until things get REALLY bad).

    ”Happy Hunger Games! And may the odds be ever in your favor.”

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:01am

    pangiagreg

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    Ted and Diane

    IMO In an alpine environment I’d put my time and energy into ordering bags of dried beans and rice to store as well as canned goods. Growing on a deck will be an extra short season as the ground retains some heat longer than pots on a deck. You could try growing a few things just as extra food, but to survive , you wouldn’t want to count non what could be growing on a deck. If you want to see a commercial year round operation, check out: https://altiusfarms.com in Denver.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:08am

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    Call to US action this morning! Stores force dairy farmers to dump milk!

    Idiot grocery stores that limit milk purchases are forcing farmers to dump milk instead of processing it for people to use -- this as people are starving.  Engage locally today.  Check your local farmers and if they are OK, pressure the stores.
    If local farmers need help, see if you can catalyze an effort to expand cheese factories and directly distribute their raw milk.  You may end up in violation of their contracts and local laws about distributing unprocessed milk.  Help them navigate that also.
    Call every store in your neighborhood and tell them to stop limiting milk purchases. Write to all the major grocery chains to ask them to cut it out. No limits on milk purchases.
    if your financial situation allows it, buy some milk for school lunch and food banks locally.
    Tell all your friends to pressure the stores. If this continues dairy farmers will stop producing and both healthy food and the rural economy will suffer.  This is not just factory farms.  This is small family farms that have been holding on by their fingernail for 50 years.  This will probably be their death blow.  
    Please help today

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:14am

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    pangiagreg

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    California engineer derails train over suspicion about coronavirus aid ship USNS Mercy, feds say

    Why this now?

    Link

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-derails-train-coronavirus-aid-ship-usns-mercy-feds-say

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:32am

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    New COVID-19 medical complication

    Hi folks,

    In case you haven't already seen this, the first US case report of COVID-19 related acute hemorrhagic necrotizing encephalopathy has been published online. This is a rare encephalopathy that has been described as a consequence of other viral infections such as influenza. I figured this might be of interest to you and your other viewers. I came across this because I'm a radiologist specializing in neuroradiology.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:54am

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    Tony McPherson

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    Blame Game

    While I agree that you should not poke a bear, it is good to know if the bear has rabies and will attack or if you can ignore him and make him go away.  The Chinese Communist Party fits this in my opinion.  If you want to blame anyone it is clear that the WHO bears a great deal of responsibility,  They delayed and covered for China for a long time.  They gave one set of guidelines to Asian countries and another to Western countries.  Remember that our government is layered with bureaucrats below the politicians and the mindset of a bureaucrat is to listen to other bureaucrats(even the WHO) first  and CYA when the problem expands.  I have lived my life with a distrust of government.  Part of this stems from where I grew up but a large part comes from dealing with agency officials(state and federal).  I am never surprised when things blow up from incompetence.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 6:05am

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    China Blame Game

    I agree with Tom.  Before WW2, the "Overton Window" did not allow the US political class to even consider discussing going into a war - after the US experience in WW1.  Pearl Harbor was required to change the zeitgeist.  It was then permitted to consider the option.

    Likewise, Trump had to really push against the establishment to put his China Travel Ban in place.  A whole host of interests didn't want the US to prepare for this pandemic.  They just hoped it would go away.  Mainstream media - and Joe Biden - ridiculed Trump, calling im racist and xenophobic for instituting the travel ban.  Did Trump act more cautiously as a result?  I'm sure he did.

    Could he have pushed against all the Dems who work in government, who leak stories intended to humiliate Trump to the New York Times at every opportunity, to become more prepared?  If we think back, perhaps we can remember - he was being impeached at the time.  That was a distraction.

    US pandemic preparations probably had to wait for Italy's example before the bureaucracy started to get off its collective butt.  Video of real Italians dying make a much larger impression than a paper intelligence report or intercepts from the NSA which only a small number of people actually see.

    Now, for sure the blame is being heaped on China for domestic political reasons.  But if you want to go grade-school on this, and talk about ratcheting up the threat of WW 3, to me it is quite clear that China started it first.

    Back in February, China was putting a whole lot of effort behind the "the US infected China with the virus" campaign.  I even got to hear this very story first-hand from a semi-official Chinese source.  The narrative didn't get much traction - at least not outside China.  Inside China, I suspect that's what a lot of the people believe.  Their foreign minister even started spouting this line, which caused Pompeo to summon the Chinese ambassador.  Convincing a big chunk of your population that "the US did it" - do we imagine that might have a deleterious effect on US-China relations?

    So.  Yeah.  If there's a WW3, for sure, China will have started it, for much the same reason - to escape blame.  The whole US-blames-China thing is a pale shadow of the intense, coordinated CCP propaganda campaign that has now been going on for at least 6 weeks.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 6:37am

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    Research-based mask making recommendations

    The researchers tested numerous materials and finished masks and found that non-woven polypropylene (think those reusable shopping bags) are better than cotton initially and do not stretch from heat sterilization methods so that they retain there droplet resistance for much longer.

    Details including sewing instructions at:

    https://makermask.org/

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 6:49am

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    Tony McPherson

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    Tony McPherson said:

    More evidence for Hydroxychloroquine.

    https://www.news4jax.com/health/2020/03/23/doctor-says-he-successfully-treated-covid-19-patient/

     

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 7:00am

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    ao

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    on the Worldometer site, under Closed Cases, the Death rate has dropped for the first time back down to 19%

    Could be a good sign.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 7:39am

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    Intelligence Ignored, But Not Failed...

    As I am an ex-intelligence agent, who worked in Asia for the NSA, and other agencies, I am absolutely certain none of this embryonic pandemic in China was missed by our intelligence capabilities from its very inception...right up until now.

    The proper notifications and briefings on the subject would have been made to the consumers of our intelligence collection efforts.  Humint, Elint, Sigint, Comint, would have focused tasking on the issue, along with other assets.

    Since we record the entire planet's electromagnetic environment 24/7, and keep these recordings for decades, the intelligence community would have in its possession a tremendous amount of raw data, including cell-phone transmissions, all radio transmissions (such as from Chinese officials in the field responding to issues), any broadcast transmission of any sort (including scrambled/cypher transmissions).

    This information is recorded so we may take our time sifting through it searching for interesting data.  We can replay, for example, a particular day, in a particular place, during a specific time period..and not only discover something interesting, but locate exactly where the interesting event took place, and who was involved.

    Should we become aware of an interesting event, sometime in the future...say via the debriefing of a field agent...we can confirm the report by reproducing the time of the reported event, and looking at the area involved, with our recordings.

    Therefore, we can go back in time to before patient zero, and inform ourselves of the events leading up to the issue at hand.  We would detail the Chinese personnel involved, both civil and government, such as the Doctors and technicians involved in the Wuhan bio labs...the incidents of espionage committed by Chinese agents, with access to Western, Level 4, Bio Labs...such as the Canadian L4 lab, which we know was targeted by them.

    We would also possess the complete genome of all the pathogens held in all of our labs and those held by the United Kingdom.  And, we would have our bio experts examine samples of the virus in question, and review all technical reports, classified, or not.

    We would know with certainty, whether this pathogen was modified in a lab..there would be no doubt, whatsoever.  We would know with certainty, if the virus was the product of natural mutation, or artificial genetic modification.   We would know with certainty, if this pathogen was sourced from one of our labs, or if it was modified by the Wuhan lab.

    Now, what a politician does with all this wonderful information is up to them.  Ours is to decide IF we TELL them...and WHAT we decide to tell them..and, WHO we decide to tell, or not.  In addition, we decide the manner, by which, anyone is told, anything.  A report can be tailored to the psychological underpinnings of the one being briefed, such tailoring can be changed from one group to the next....from one official, to the next.

    The Community has no checks, or balances, upon it.  The person we decide to brief has no way of knowing, if the information is actual, fictional, or tailored to his personality.

    And, no elected official in our government, has the ability to cause us any great trouble, or have any way of effectively threatening the Community.

    Congress may threaten to punish us via our budgets, and we make a great show of expressed anxiety in this regard.  But, this is only a performance we exhibit for our manipulation  of them...as we are not dependent upon the official budgets for our funds..at all.

    Knowledge is power.  The Community has all human knowledge.  Who has more power, an elected individual, whom WE GUARD and EDUCATE, and who will be gone from bothering with in short order, or the primaries of the Community, who are not elected, nor subject to appointment by a transient politician?

    I left the Community, once I became philosophically aware of the guiding values of those running it, and discovered my own values did not harmonize.  These people are all gone now, replaced by others, whose value sets differ.

    Perhaps there is still hope for Humanity.  But, certainly, not for all of Humanity.

     

     

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 7:40am

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    what's better? vegepod or aerogarden?

    wondering which one I should buy and what comparison is to growing on ground in florida

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 7:45am

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    Freeze-dried food

    Good advice!  BePrepared.com is a good site for freeze dried food, as it is much less expensive than the others.  Their shipping is several months out now, but I’m telling all my family to order anyway. They’ll need it for this winter.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 7:49am

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    That's the real question, THC

    Why did we not act?

    With all of our satellites and spies on the ground in China, there is no way that we did not know exactly what was going on there...from day one.

     

     

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:04am

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    More Warnings of Food Shortages

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:05am

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    The only graph you need to understand the economy.

    For what its worth, I can‘t believe this ia real graph based on data because in several places it fails the vertical line test. In those places there are two y-values for a given x-value. Admittedly, the overall point being made by the graph is cogent, but even so, you have to wonder.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:10am

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    Thank You!

    mntnhousepermi, thank you for the tips. I didn't realize that kale and chard can take the cool nights, I'll look into when is the best time to plant. I may need to rig up some kind of cold frame as we still have snow right now and sometimes get more in April/May. Cheers!

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:13am

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    KugsCheese said:

    The Medical Morons told us it didn't go airborne.  That was bald-face lie.  Lawsuits?

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:15am

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    More Thanks!

    Linda, thank you for the deck garden ideas. Yes, we do have a bit of wall on one side where maybe we could scale up some cherry tomatoes. As for borrowing land from people, that's an interesting thought. We live in an alpine forest resort community with very sandy soil, but I do have some friends who might have some extra space. Not sure how the idea of a community garden would fly here, it's very upscale, but in these times you never know, it may work. Thanks again for the ideas!

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:20am

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    Thanks Grover

    Oh, that's right, I forgot about microgreens! I used to grow them in Puerto Rico when we lived there. Thank you. And I love the idea of quart jars, much prettier than trays. I just hope I can get some jars and fresh seeds at this late date.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:27am

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    Thanks Wintergreen

    Thanks for the Aerogarden idea, that seems like an immediate solution I can put in place while assembling the deck garden. Cheers!

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:34am

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    Thanks pangiagreg

    Good thoughts, and yes, we have a lot of canned food in the garage... 🙂  Thanks for the link to the year-round operation, I'll check it out, our climate is similar.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:42am

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    kale/chard

    Kale is even winter hardy, to an extent, light snow, when it is not much below freezinf is fine and it grows thru it. Chard would be killed by a freeze but likes cooler nights just fine.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 9:35am

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    Walmart/Fema

    I have a very good friend who is a vendor for Walmart. He was up at WHQ a few years ago and the Walmart rep said " Hey come with me I want to show you something" He took him to a building on the HQ campus. He told me it was at least 50k sf.. It had large screens on the walls with all kind of world and US maps. It was loaded with cubicles and each cubicle had a computer terminal and phone. He told me there were only 5 or 6 people in there but the rep said when something hits it will be full. I can only imagine it is full now. If people will think back to Katrina the only supplies getting into New Orleans were on Walmart trucks. My friend assured me that the Walmart supply chain will be running. Of course I reminded him they would be running if there was stuff to put on them.  BTW Walmart has a pretty incredible computer setup with a complete redundancy in Missouri. They monitor every detail of every Walmart and Sam's store. That includes utility/energy usage, inventory, labor etc. If a cooler or freezer door is left open in any store for more than 15 minutes the manager gets a phone call.

    Walmart is hiring 100-150k new employees. It is in their best interests to keep the ship afloat and society peaceful. Clearly Walmart is in bed with the government as many other corporations are, but I found this new level of cooperation a little surprising

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 10:12am

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    centroid

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    Australian leadership and media resisting the commonsense of wearing a mask

    another example of the australian media and leadership struggling with the commonsense of wearing a mask:

    Australian ABC news program "the drum" episode from 2/4/2020 (dates are backward, compared to US) , at the 45 minute mark:

    https://iview.abc.net.au/show/drum

    all of them except the interviewer, searched for reasons NOT to wear a mask. why is it so hard in Australia?. it must be a cultural thing. we dont have enough logical / science explaining in the aussie media. i think logic and science helps cement ideas in peoples minds. some of the information the peakprosperity site and in the links in the comments have been fantastic. peak prosperity has been saving lives.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 10:21am

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    yagasjai

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    Way to go Chris!

    Now you're taking on blame itself?!?! The confusion that may be even greater than the human shortcoming of not understanding the exponential function? WHAT?! Will you stop at nothing!??! Way to go Chris!

    The thing to remember about blame is that it always diverts us away from our authentic power. That's true on a personal level. It's also true on a socio-political level. Whether blame is aimed at others or ourselves, I have found that blame makes it much harder to shift out of the passive (victim) mindset and actually take responsibility for our own well-being and those around us. Trump blaming China, or anyone else, for how things are going with the pandemic in the US is troublesome, to say the least.

    You are right to be concerned that blame is showing up amidst severe economic difficulties. It's happened many times throughout history and it is the thing that stands in the way of actually creating systemic change. It is the thing that disperses our collective energy away from building something new. You are right to be thinking about this. And I wonder what Charles Eisenstien would say about it, in terms of not treating blame as an enemy to be conquered. I have found it useful to simply attempt to drop all blame, not engage in it. Try it and see if you can adopt a policy of no blame, even just for a day. See what shifts. (It was a huge challenge for me at first, but it's been well worth the effort to keep untangling that knot.)

    I've found blame to be problematic because it tends to be a pre-cursor to punishment (either active or passive). No one wants to be punished! So no one wants to be blamed! If we associate blame with punishment, and think it's our fault, for example, that we are overweight, then any action we take to change that may feel like punishment and be hard to sustain. Same with climate change. If we feel like it is our fault that the planet is dying, the actions we take to curb fossil fuel emissions may also feel like punishment and be hard to sustain. The trick is to remove blame but not responsibility/accountability. We all perform better in situations where we are not being told we are bad or it's our fault. It's easier to see the possible steps we could be taking when we aren't feeling bad about ourselves. When blame is removed, so is the threat of punishment. That opens possibilities that do not exist within the paradigm of domination and control.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 10:25am

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    meteor35

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    Serious ? for Chris

    Chris,  How accurate to you think these projections are from https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

    Looks like some states are using this as guidance.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 10:31am

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    Blame Game or capitulating to Political Correctness, which is worse?

    Chris Martenson has been calling out the CPC and the WHO for 2 months, but now that is politically incorrect? I guess I am not following the logic. The incompetency and dissimulation of the US intelligence apparatus notwithstanding, China has “disappeared” doctors who have attempted to alert the world about the scourge of SARS-COV-2 since at least December of 2019. Dr. Tedros, number 1 at the WHO, has stated that, “the racist stigma against China secondary to COVID-19 is worse than the health threat.” The headline case count in China magically plateaued in the low 80K range. The Wuhan Center for Disease Control & Prevention (WHCDC) is 280 meters from the Wuhan “Wet Market” where the virus supposedly originated, yet there has been no official acknowledgment from the CPC that surgery was performed on live bats (Rhinolophus affinis) carrying Bat CoV ZC45 at this facility and a researcher was attacked by a bat, showering him with bat blood. (Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao, The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus, South China University of Technology, Guangzhou Province China, Research Gate Preprint Feb 2020)

    Critical thinking should not be checked at the door of political correctness.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 10:37am

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    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/recommend-masksface-coverings-all-public-places-now

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/recommend-masksface-coverings-all-public-places-now

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 10:47am

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    re garden challenges

    I live in SE US climate.  Too rainy for good sun here.  So, light is a challenge for me though temps are not.  Also , if i grew anything id have to fight wildlife for it.   So i do all indoor hydroponics with grow lights.. Its not much, and its expensive, but it will be needed.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 11:01am

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    vshelford

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    A seriously simple no-sew mask idea

    In case anyone hasn't seen this one - trust the Japanese origami mind-set to give us this.  A handkerchief might be a bit thin, and few people have them these days, but any 18" square of suitable fabric would do:

    https://blog.japanesecreations.com/no-sew-face-mask-with-handkerchief-and-hair-tie

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 11:21am

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    BGC and/or ACE Genotype (II v DD)

    Thank you for the interesting post and link.

    I would like to add an additional component to the geographic distribution of COVID-19.

    The below link succinctly describes what’s happening with angiotensin II and COVID-19

    https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m406/rr-19

    The virus destroys the cells that carry the membrane bound ACE2 receptors, leading to an imbalance in the RAS with more angiotensin II.

    Increased angiotensin II in diabetics and hypertensives is precisely why these are the top two comorbidities for COVID 19 and stand to gain the most from an ARB approach, esp in those homozygous for the ACE deletion (D) allele (v the insertion allele I), which would be Iranians, Italians and the Spanish. That's why IMHO Asians have a lower COVID death rate.

    That’s why children with lower ACE/ACE2 ratios do better than the elderly, who have much higher ratios.
    Review Table 2

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 12:01pm

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    4th turning

    That book 4th turning , Chris was talking about, I have not gotten a chance to read it, BUT he mentioned part of it is "loss of trust with authority."

    I feel like that now with Yellowstone.  I see officially they say, there is nothing to worry about.  But they also said that about covid.

    There is probably nothing to worry about.  But I don't trust authorities and will be watching activity there closely.  Hopefully there won't be any.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 12:46pm

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    David Henry

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    Interview Suggestion: Curtis Stone

    Hey Chris and Adam,

    Curtis Stone, an Urban Farmer who has done great online videos about how to make a living as a farmer, just came out with a rather surprising video. He has long advised about how to grow micro greens, but in the last few days he has said he is going to switch to calorie crops (beans, etc.) as he sees the need for this going forward. He is a polite, very practical (a business-man farmer) and soft spoken Canadian, so to hear him talk about potential food shortages really caught my attention. I think an interview with him would really help inform people as we think about what we can realistically raise in our gardens.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 1:10pm

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    How to overcome the virus

    Determine the needed group immunity. Say 85%. The 15% oldest and most vulnerable should quarantine.

    By sending the young you minimize hospital overload. This virus will NOT leave the country before 85% are infected.

    Broad quarantine and face masks simply do not work.

    Furthermore by taking vitamine C and, in overdrive when infected, will be enough to protect the vast majority from damage.

     

    So sad, the West have just a few factories.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 1:14pm

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    finger-pointing

    The important thing to remember about finger-pointing is that while you are pointing one finger at someone, there are three on that same hand pointing back to you. But thinking about things like that seems to make finger-pointers uncomfortable and then they act out.

    The historical reaction to a financial or political mess is to hold a war and invite all your young men to come and be heroes. It keeps them off the streets and out of trouble, you know, riots, marches, etc. and makes privation at home supposedly more patriotic because--we must support our boys. Now that women are such a big part of the military, we will probably be told to support our men and women or our troops, since support our boys and girls just sounds totally wrong.

    And...we would be able to afford it since we have the magical monetary goose that can keep laying golden eggs ad infinitum. That should take our minds off the pitchforks, don't you think?

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 1:22pm

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    How About A Temporary Morgue With Forward Planning Built 11 Weeks Ahead?

    Hi Mohammed,

    how about a temporary morgue, that started being built around the 13th of January?

    about 11 weeks ago today, a hole was run through a fence on a country lane near to me. Then about two miles of electrical cabling was laid using about 20 workmen.

    After this, a series of trucks came by, and some very high quality tarmac was laid in the compound, along with expensive high fencing, and an array of security lighting.

    The results of this were advertised in my local online newspaper just yesterday : -

    https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/temporary-morgue-set-up-south-4009525

    Temporary morgue set up in South Devon as more coronavirus deaths are confirmed

    A temporary mortuary using refrigerated lorry containers has been set up close to Torbay Hospital as the number of deaths from coronavirus rose by three to 10 in the South Devon area.

    The site has been selected 'after careful consideration' because of its proximity to Torbay Hospital at a former plant hire and supply yard in Kingskerswell, Torbay Council has confirmed in a statement.

    The death toll for Devon has risen by six to 23 in Devon today, with three further deaths in Torbay and South Devon Healthcare Trust, bringing the total at the hospital to 10.

    Refrigerated lorry containers have been seen arriving at the former John Craxford Ltd yard on the rural fringes between Torbay and Teignbridge, close to the A380 Devon Expressway.

    “We hope that we will not need to use this facility. However, it is only right that we prepare for any eventuality and focus on those members of our community that will need our support during this difficult time.

    "We are making these arrangements in a calm and measured way and are not proposing to give further details at this time given the sensitivity. However, such preparations remind us of the importance of observing social distancing and following the Government’s instructions to stay at home unless absolutely necessary.”

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 2:06pm

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    Report from Manhattan Hospital

    from my facebook EM Docs group about his Manhattan hospital:

    “My entire hospital is covid. Including pregnant women. People young and old. People with young kids. These patients are so scared and anxious, gasping for air and dying so fast and we can’t help them. We are doing random trials on different floors but don’t seem to be helping. It’s devastating to them and their families and to us.

    Our surgeons are covering ICU, traching people left and right. It’s a catastrophe and it’s only going to get worse...

    I don’t know how we are going to keep this going for the next 2 months. Or more. They die alone. Isolated.  [This is the saddest part for me.  🙁  ]

    We have only weaned 5 people off ventilators out of >100. Basically once these people are intubated it’s likely the end for them. We had an 18yr old on ECMO.

    The city is silent. All you hear are sirens.

    On one of the 12 covid icu floors where one of our NPs was floated to - he said 9 people died in the past 24hrs just on that floor. We are training primary care NPs to take care of inpatients.  It’s all hands on deck. Ophthalmologists, ortho fellows are covering covid patients on the floor.  Everyone is now a covid provider.”

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 2:17pm

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    Much of this devastation could be avoided if we use the Zelenko protocol early Sandpuppy

    Here is Zelenko AGAIN taking time to explain to us how to save people.. it's all about getting hydroxychloroquine and the accompanying meds early in the progression of the disease.  Of special note in this video, starting at minute 21:20, is lawyer and biochem exec Gregory Rigano who gets very passionate about the very messed up politicizing of this medication that is going on.... I like that you can hear his holy fury.. I feel exactly as he does.  Also, listen to Zelenko explain how Cuomo has made it hard to get this drug in NY to use correctly... what a freaking mess.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oq6IOP1sd8

    Rigano speaks directly to doctors who might be willing to prescribe:  Don't be on the wrong side of history.  Indeed.  Death to the deepstate.  Amen

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 2:19pm

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    Thanks Sand Puppy

    I reposted this to my FB timeline, without making any comment. The words speak for themselves.

    Thank you for everything. Be safe.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 2:19pm

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    Ferret and cats susceptible to SARS-CoV2, Dogs have Low Susceptibility

    Pre-publication article.

    "In summary, we found that ferrets and cats are highly susceptible to SARS-CoV-2, dogs have low susceptibility, and livestock including pigs, chickens, and ducks are not susceptible to the virus."

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.015347v1.full.pdf?fbclid=IwAR09jNLwTOSh1TCtrabTu41hx-1cQiNwsOsprmDX2Vm8AinLOt601pbbQNI

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 2:38pm

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    Trump Administration Expected to Recommend Wearing Cloth Masks

    [A lot of people have/will get sick and die waiting for this declaration. Very late in coming, but still prudent.]

    Trump Administration Expected to Recommend Wearing Cloth Masks (Source)

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:00pm

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    Of course there must be consequences for the Chinese Communist Party

    Chris has often pointed out in his videos that the Chinese data on coronavirus cannot be trusted.  It is obvious that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has not been honest with the Chinese people nor the rest of the world about this pandemic--from the very beginning. Many thousands of people have died, and many more will die, in large part, because of the actions of the CCP.

    Of course there must be consequences for such behavior.

    That does not mean war...there are many other ways to punish the CCP that do not involve the loss of more life. When Chris talks about the "blame game" I assume and hope that he is not implying there should not be any consequences for the CCP. Of course there must be consequences.  Serious ones.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:17pm

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    Interview Suggestion: Curtis Stone

    David
    Your discovery of Curtis Stone's realization that "gee I can grow my own spices!" must be converted into a desire to get real plant energy for real people comports with the energy story.  Energy is the master resource.   This is true for food as well as cars and machines.  If you look at the earliest TV and radio commercials made for a population that was living close to the land, the first thing you notice is the emphasis on the selling of energy to get up and go and get real work done at the job.

    After the reset, we will focus more on food energy and less on protein and vitamins.  Cant use the protein for structural building or vitamins for coenzyme activity if there is insufficient energy.  And, one lesson from studying the biochemistry of nutrition is that as a mineral or trace nutrient becomes more scarce in the diet, the body adapts to more efficiently absorb, and more efficiently recycle that nutrient.  The actual, real requirement for that nutrient or mineral drops with scarcity.  You dont hear this basic fact from the mass media or from the boutique media(s) which are funded by convincing you that you must buy and consume more of their life-giving nutrient.

    This is analogous to our society generally.  Dont need a 200 hp car to go 2 miles to the store for a loaf of bread.  Everyone can think of numerous examples here.

    Energy is the master resource.  We don't need the politicians and their sycophants to get what we need.    Take Back The Power!

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 5:32pm

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    Asymptomatic trasmission

    We've just had an update on the situation in New Zealand and our Director-General of Health claimed that, to date, there were no documented cases of asymptomatic transmission. Given Chris's advice on asymptomatic transmission, it seems to me that there has been such documented cases. Our Director-General of Health says it might still be possible but surely that statement should be stronger. Are there links to information about asymptomatic transmission?

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 7:07pm

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    Hi fionbharr

    Very interesting. Is it anywhere near Devonshire?

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 10:27pm

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    Asymptomatic transmission

    From the Herald today (NZ)  ""people are most infectious during the first few days.

    He said people could be infections for one to three day before they showed symptoms,""

    And anecdotally out of the papers here there seem to be a number of people infecting partners or friends before they feel unwell.....

    That is asymptomatic transmission.

     

    However there is a lack of documented evidence that someone who never exhibited symptoms and infecting someone else, but finding a case like that would be hard to do logistically even if it was happening.  Germany might be able to do it with their testing levels, but proving that it does not happen is even harder.

     

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 10:30pm

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    not sure where to begin

    So many things in the thread to address.  Well beyond the blame game.  But i have been saying , I saw this coming since chris did.  I was doing my homework coming to the same conclusions  a day to two before I came across chris' first video on this.

    And meanwhile , the US CDC, and others never saw in coming.  These people are willfully negligent. This includes the president.  It includes early publication of the the CDC - stating the risk in the US was low.  And that it doesnt spread on surfaces , and it only spreads in close contact of known victims.    etc etc..  and masks dont work..   And we wont test anyone that didnt come from china.   Negligent , negligent and negligent.  These officials had no right to say this if they were unsure.. also stating the flu kills more .. dont worry about this , worry about the flu.. All in the media as well.. negligent , negligent..  a prudent person would never act in such disregard in of human life..  These people it were their jobs.. they got paid for it .. center for disease control.. but its the center for disease propagation.. and propaganda.     should call themselves CDPandP.      All these people and others (trump ) .. should go to jail.. mind lose their jobs.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 11:24pm

    nordicjack

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    regarding which is better aerogarden or vegepod

    I would say neither.    In comparison to farming on the ground in florida.. Florida and California, are aggie states.   You have a boatload of sun , things should thrive there except things that are not heat tolerant.    So, space available - you should get a good garden.   You can do larger hydroponics outdoors.    Just get yourself a water pump and some PVC and go to town.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 2:09am

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    Contrarian view on Covid-19 and some ramblings

    Contrarian view on Covid-19: https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

    Not sure what the reliability of the piece is.

    The balance is a difficult one to get right in the complexity of many factors with many unknowns:

    • (Potential) severity of the epidemic itself, reaction undershoot (Sweden?) vs reaction overshoot (comprehensive lock-down). Intelligent precautionary principle seems the best approach. 'Hammer' and you manage the short-term problem, but leave the underlying vulnerability (non-immune population) until an effective vaccine is available. Managed propagation brings herd-immunity, but risks blowing up in your face if assumptions are wrong.
    • 'Pull it' in the economy; try to keep economy afloat vs 'all-in' on flattening the curve. Managed demolition to address the underlying vulnerabilities in the economy and rebalance physical economy and its resource base (environment and real society) vs financial economy would be most adequate -> not gonna happen... The medium- and long-term economic fall-out is probably going to be severe.
    • Political and social trust: justified and unjustified destruction of trust (emergency response is always a gamble and mistakes are part of it, how these are managed and will be interpreted will be important though) mixed with emotions will also generate severe fall-out. Interesting the approaches of China and Russia vs USA and EU, this will have a tail for several dogmas and existing institutions...

    Does anyone have an opinion on Pepe Escobar article https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/04/02/ground-control-planet-lockdown-only-test/ ?

    Interesting times...

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 2:57am

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    The Straits Times: "US and China seek to cooperate as coronavirus pandemic rages on"

    Perhaps good news?

    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/in-sudden-shift-us-and-china-seek-to-cooperate-as-coronavirus-pandemic-rages-on

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 3:01am

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    Asymptomatic trasmission

    Well, this case appears to document asymptomatic transmission though it isn't conclusive.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:30am

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    Devonshire It Is

    HI Mohammed,

    it's roughly two miles from Torquay.

    Anyway, I think I owe you a Romeo No. 3 Coronita cigar from a few years back. Drop by some time. The spring lambs and blossom in a quiet corner of countryside - with a horizon peppered with 300 year old oak trees - await you, feigning a locked-down police state ...

    Finn

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:39am

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    I see the ugly power grab going on. Do you?

    Interesting article Afridev! Isn’t “Strategic Culture Foundation” banned from PeakProsperity in the minds of some who frequent this site? Regardless, the author’s dire conclusions are well worth examining:

    The fact is that, all over Planet Lockdown, a groundswell of public opinion is leaning towards defining the current state of affairs as a global psyop: a deliberate global meltdown – the New Great Depression – imposed on unsuspecting citizens by design.

    The powers that be, taking their cue from the tried and tested, decades-old CIA playbook, of course are breathlessly calling it a “conspiracy theory”. Yet what vast swathes of global public opinion observe is a – dangerous – virus being used as cover for the advent of a new, digital financial system, complete with a forced vaccine cum nanochip creating a full, individual, digital identity.

    The most plausible scenario for our immediate future reads like clusters of smart cities linked by AI, with people monitored full time and duly micro-chipped doing what they need with a unified digital currency, in an atmosphere of Bentham’s and Foucault’s Panopticum on overdrive.

    So if this is really our future, the existing world-system has to go. This is a test, this is only a test.

    Personally, I don’t want to debate whether this whole virus crisis was intentionally created from the get-go to engineer some rather severe political, financial, and economic changes or whether TPTB are simply taking advantage of a crisis that has been handed to them at an opportune time. Whatever “they” are up to we’re going to have to deal with it right now.  We can conduct a forensic investigation later when it comes time for the “Truth Commission.”

    For those who may have missed Afridev’s link, here it is:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/04/02/ground-control-planet-lockdown-only-test/

    Anybody else want to engage with us on this subject?

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:56am

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    Is this JUST a coincidence?

    I'm an environmentalist and a university professor that teaches environmental science.  We have know about global overshoot and collapse since 1972 when Limits to Growth was published.  It was updated by the original authors in 1980, 1990, 2000, and by Australian researcher Graham Turner around 2010.  His graphs may point to what is now occurring.

     This comes from the Guardian article with my 2020 line added.  

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/limits-to-growth-was-right-new-research-shows-were-nearing-collapse

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 6:15am

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    It Was Not Ignorance...

    Nordicjack...

    I cannot believe any trained and educated person, whose claimed area of expertise includes epidemiology, could possibly be underwhelmed by the coronavirus outbreak in China, from its very first reporting.

    I cannot blame the President, as he is not a professed medical expert, nor responsible for the information he is given regarding areas outside of his personal experience.  This would be the fault of experts, who deliberately failed to inform the President of the facts, which can only be by deliberate intent.

    As I have explained before, those with the data are in control of who they inform, what they inform, and how they do so.

    If one wishes someone to look like a fool, all you need do is to give them foolish advise, giving them only enough data any rational person would interpret in such a manner as to arrive at an ineffectual, incorrect, or foolish conclusions, which generate foolish actions.  We did this with Jimmy Carter, for example.

    The nonsense streaming from every "responsible" mouth at the onset of this pandemic is evidence of deliberate misinformation by those, who cannot be considered to be ignorant of the actual facts.   The continuous spewing of the nonsense, for such a long time, by public officials, can only mean a coordinated effort to prevent effective action from being taken against the coronavirus.

    I know SARS-CoV-19 is a modified virus.  I had thought its release to be accidental.

    But, I am beginning to doubt this, as I cannot explain the ignorance displayed by those, whose ignorance should not exist.

    I remember my training and the tactics of biological war...of why a nation might release a pathogen in order to achieve a goal...while being able to plausibly deny their deliberate part, to escape negative repercussions.  Wars can be fought in the shadows, and winners and losers, are determined without fanfare, and secretly.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 6:52am

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    Limits to Growth...has always been a joke.

    From  its very first publication, this book has been mandatory reading in American schools from Junior High...to College.

    I remember writing a paper on its fallacies in 1973, then forgot the book existed, as I knew with certainty it was, at best, a poor effort to legitimize government control over all means of production.

    I would assume it would need to be updated continually to keep it in focus with its intended readers, targeted for its effect.  I love all the graphs, too.

    I wonder how the original book's graphs of future trends from 1972, appear to the educated eye today?

    Oh, and Professor....Man-made CO2 has absolutely no impact on Earth's Climate, whatsoever.  All efforts to reduce our CO2 contribution, to "Save The Planet," are meaningless.

    Not only is reducing CO2 production not going to have ANY effect on Climate, removing 100% of all Human CO2, would also have NO EFFECT on the Climate.

    Here is one of my illustrations to aid people to actually understand this topic better:

    Oh, and by the way...

    The greatest green house gas in our atmosphere is WATER VAPOR...and guess, what?  Water vapor absorbs the SAME energy wavelength as CO2 does...totally swamping any ability of CO2 to do so, and to contribute to Global Warming...in ANY WAY.  Plus, should a CO2 molecule actually absorb some energy...it can radiate this energy in ANY DIRECTION..not just back a Earth.

    If you feel a warm breeze on a Summer night...it will not be because of CO2, but Water Vapor.

    Besides, the Earth's climate has been cooling off for the last 8,000 years.  It has only warmed up since the end of the Little Ice Age, which ended about 1850-80.  Yet, we are still colder than we were just 6,000 years ago...despite the CO2 levels.

    If anything, this current inter-glacial period is nearly at its end...and Global Cooling is very much more dangerous to Humanity...than what allows us to even exist on Earth at all....CO2.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 7:08am

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    Help Finding a Sand Puppy Post

    I'm trying to find the repost he did from the EM doctor in Manhattan here. I put it up on FB and now I'm getting push back from a few people claiming that its fake because they want to know the hospital. Not that I expect Sandpuppy to identify it, but I'd like to invite the detractors here to read the original so they can make their own mind up.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 7:52am

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    Misleading headline

    Pangiagreg, that was a very misleading headline. Pompeo did not order all American citizens to return to the US, period. I had to read that miserable article to discover this. I resent being sent there, given that I am outside the US. You could have easily warned us that the headline is not true so as to prevent us going to a more than likely virus laden website. After this, I will not click on any of your links.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 7:59am

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    Appreciate the Context Reminder, GreenCebu

    The Limits to Growth observed trends and their collisions, predicted breaking points in the way things are going.

     

    These kinds of "big picture takes" is the reason that I have been a PP member for many years.  Chris Martenson, Gail Tverberg, Charles Hugh Smith, Richard Heinberg, James Howard Kunstler, to name just a few, have been seeing this bigger trend for a long time.

    We didn't know if the catalyst would be the price of oil, a war, a pandemic, climate change crushing food production, floods, droughts, hurricanes, the decimation of the insect populations or what.  But something.

    And then, damn, here it really is happening.

    It reminds me to think in terms of this as a Long Emergency and an inflection point in human history, not just as a "12 week quarantine."

    ----

    And I must suspect that Afridev and thc0655 (quoting Pepe Excobar's article) are correct, that some will try a totalitarian takeover in the chaos.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 8:55am

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    Repost from Manhattan EM docs

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-a-dangerous-geo-political-blame-game-erupts/#comment-624749

    Here you go dtrammel

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 9:04am

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    More on The Food Shortage Subject

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 9:35am

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    Let’s talk about potential intelligence “failures” while they’re happening

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/china_is_preparing_to_start_a_war_with_america.html

    ...I share this vignette as a means of showing that there are always signs.  We, for whatever reason, miss them, or we ignore them for political purposes, or we refuse to believe them because they contradict the core tenets of our belief system.

    I believe that China's actions today may be telegraphing an intent we are choosing to ignore.  They show all the signs of a nation preparing to attack America.  China seeks a bespoke world run by China with "Chinese characteristics" — a dream that under Trump was drifting away.

    China appears to be laying the groundwork for a "justified" attack on the United States, perhaps in the South China Sea or perhaps elsewhere.  It will be a military attack, not an act of terrorism, and the excuse will be America's deliberate transmission of COVID-19 in Wuhan. 

    When the Chinese became accusatory, it's telling that they didn't blame the CIA, always the usual suspect.  No, they blamed it on American soldiers. 

    American military deliberately infecting China is an act of war worthy of a military response.  

    In October, the 2019 World Military Games were held in Wuhan.  Chinese media triumphantly trumpeted the Americans winning just eight medals, while China won 239.  It was then that we supposedly infected Wuhan citizens with the "American virus."

    China is now defenestrating foreign media, sending home reporters from the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Washington Post at just the opportune moment.  No nation wants journalists around when it is planning a sneak attack.

    And with its economy ravaged by Trump's trade war and the virus shutdown, and now back at full production, while America's economy is in total shutdown and in the grip of an active pandemic, there will never be a better time to attack.

    Here in America, the Democrats along with corporate media eagerly buy China's lies surrounding the nascence of the worldwide pandemic, the propaganda blaming America, the stories of Chinese benevolence, and the efficiency of Chinese methods in getting control of the virus at home.  They are actively supporting China's version of the truth.  China has every reason to believe they will continue to do so.  

    When or if China attacks, the left (the Dems, Antifa, and BLM) will flood the streets with anti-war protesters designed to stop America from responding to China's attacks.  After all, don't we deserve it?  We elected Trump, didn't we?

    China claims there are no new infections when there is ample evidence that that claim is a lie.  But the Chinese know that by the time people understand, it will be too late.  They will have struck, and any new cases will be used to bolster their casus belli.  Those Chinese who perish in the interim of silence will have died for the fatherland.

    Conservative media have been neither as naïve nor as malicious as their mainstream brethren, often writing that China's behavior, with the denials and accusations, is merely a clumsy and foolish attempt to convince the world.

    I don't see it this way.  I think China is doing this to convince its own citizens more than anyone else.  The Chinese communists can survive the world's condemnations, especially if they defeat America, but they live and die by controlling their own population.  When they attack an American naval ship in the South China Sea, they won't need to worry about the support of their own nation because they will have convinced the people that America started the war and a peaceful and beneficent China was reluctantly, and only as a last resort, defending itself.

    China is facing a demographic time bomb and has ten years to rewrite the facts on the ground.  It is facing a quandary of epic proportions.  It won't be long before it has the oldest population on the planet.  Those people will be old before they are rich.

    China's business model is existentially flawed.  It has extraordinary debt that is multiples of its GDP, having grown exponentially through government funding of empty cities, military buildup, high-speed rail to nowhere, a Belt and Road initiative that's becoming obvious to partner countries as a means of colonialist extortion, and various other nonproductive government lending to CCP members.  Its vaunted reserves will soon disappear. 

    China is also a nation, thanks to the "one child" initiative, that has hundreds of millions of young men with no prospect of marriage.  Hundreds of millions of "incel" men make for either an angry and expendable fighting force or a bane upon society.

    China is on the clock.  Today, it is formidable, with a sophisticated and capable military.  The Chinese may be able to win a confrontation, even a war, with the United States.  Under Obama's policy of surrender, China had a chance of overtaking us economically while growing its military until its primacy was a fait accompli.  But Trump killed that dream with his trade war, exposing the inherent weaknesses of the Chinese economy.  And should the aftermath of the pandemic play out without interference, China's position in the world will be irreparably damaged.

    What does China have to lose? 

    Time is not on China's side.  Unless the Chinese destroy us on the field of battle soon, the clock will run out, and the dream of the coming "Chinese century" will be just that: a dream.

    Everything they are doing points to them preparing to do so.

    For China, there will never be a better time to start a war with America.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 9:55am

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    meanwhile behind the scenes again

    I just checked my bank records.  My Social Security income minus my Medicare payments on 12/2019 and before was $10/m (not the real numbers).  Then on 1/2020, just as the CV19 news was hitting the press, my SS suddenly dropped and my MC exploded.  My net SS-MC income is now around $6/m.  That's a 40% cut in one month.  So much for the much heralded trump income tax break for the 99.9%

    Something is really fishy here.  I smell another more subtle 911.  The patriot act was pushed through right after 911.  It was a massive document that was sitting on the sidelines and ready to go.  There is now a bill in congress that has a hidden encryption killing thing buried deep in the bowels.  Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 10:05am

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    Covid 19 Virus is Leveling Out, No Need For Lockdowns

    On 21st Century Wire

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/04/03/ukc-news-govt-media-misleading-coverage-of-coronavirus-and-covid19/

    Citizens with cameras go to hospitals to video non existent lines.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pIMD1enwd4

    All to destroy the economy and get more control. Why?

    And numbers are NOT logarithmic anymore.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 10:07am

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    THC

    Hi THC, wasn't aware that Strategic-Culture wasn't considered 'kosher' at PP :). It does have its biases, but I do find many of the articles interesting and I like the writing and analysis from people like Alastair Crooke, Tom Luongo, Pepe Escobar and others. I may be a bit gullible so now and then ;).

    As often, independent of whether a certain event has been 'doctored' (I think the timing for the epidemic interesting, but that's no proof of anything, and don't want to go there) there are people who will try to benefit from it, and the closer to power you are, the easier it is to tweak conditions and outcomes in a given context.

    I'm not sure if Pepe Escobar is onto soemthing or not, I'm interested in hearing what others think. I often find his writing insightful, but don't have the means to check whether what he advances is correct. It seems to be going far, and it seems like a poker-game with very high stakes, but that's where we seem to be at the world stage for the moment, there doesn't seem to be much more left to squeeze... Might as well go for make-or-break.

    So it's not a theory I want to advance or support, just a call for second opinions (and possible links to alternative sources that point toward or against this theory).

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 11:19am

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    Definitive Projection of European and UK Virus Progress and Outcome

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMsZHJeujc

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 11:28am

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    Whatever

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 11:36am

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    Chart Update 1st April 2020

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUHmwHN96U

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 11:37am

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    Eewh thats offensive!

    Yep, no differences of opinion tolerated here! Lets hate those who don’t agree with us smart, superior folks!

    Ick!!!!!!!

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 11:37am

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    social security - medicare

    SO, your medicare premiums went up.  Social security payouts did not go down. This has nothing to do with income tax, either.

    So, since base medicare also did not rise by 40%, you must be part of a medicare add-on.  Are you part of a medicare advantage plan ? Or a medicare supplemental plan ?  These are not government programs, they are private insurance, from private insurance companies that you choose to buy. Different people choose different options for this and which drug insurance they buy, but part C drug coverage did not take that big of a bite.

     

    The only other way, if you do not have a supplemental or advantage plan that your premiums would rise that way would be if your previously qualified for a low income program that paid your part B premium for you and now you make too much money.

    I think you are being disengenuous by claiming that the government is doing something to you or your check.  Insurance companies are being bad this way to everyone.

    Even medicare part B is something you choose to buy, if you only had medicare part A, the original medicare, the part that is hospital insurance only, you would have zero medicare premium a month.

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 1:49pm

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    National Grain Reserves

    There is no reason to have a national grain reserve.

    There are going to be somewhere around one billion bushels of wheat carryover stocks when harvest starts this spring.  Corn is around 2 billion bushels and soybeans around 500 million last time I looked.

     

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 3:30pm

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    China War?

    Great!   Here come the EMP satellites!

    I wonder if they will use the N.Korean EMP weapons, which are already in orbit?

    Can you imagine all the power going bye-bye, while we are having fun with COVID-19?

    Okay, gotta stock up on more Scotch!

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  • Fri, Apr 03, 2020 - 5:34pm

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    flatten the curve of the limits to growth

    re: #48

    Thank you for reminding readers of what Peak Prosperity started as - a focus on the limits to growth (ecology, energy, economics).  Not climate denial, nor speculation on bioengineered viruses or extreme political idiotology.

    We are suffering from moron-a-virus-45, but that affliction is not limited to a particular political perspective.  It's not the end of the world but it might be the end of complacency.

     

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 4:20am

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    Yes, they will only remember the TRIGGER

    Yes, most people will only think that a near-term collapse was caused by the virus and ignore all the primary causes: dependence of finite oil supply that's peaking, degradation of renewable resources, refusal to develop renewable energy for 50 years, huge wage disparity, globalization for the o.1%, the list goes on and on.  All those you've mentioned and countless more have been talking about these for 50 years and more to no avail.  So what would we expect.  Oh well, I'm glad I tried to do the same...  Take care!

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 5:54am

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    Ision said:

    Imagine that?  Not only are you a Climate Alarmist for a living, you managed to express every tired absurdity of the Socialist Green Movement.  How unexpected!

    All of your hot points are nonsense.  And, I am certain, as you say...the nonsense goes on and on.

    The Primary Cause of all Human induced suffering is, as it always has been, Irrationality...and the insanity it manifests.

    Who is right?  Who is wrong?   The final arbiter of all truth is Existence itself.  Reason is Man's basic means of survival and is the only means, by which, Existence may be comprehended and identified.   Thus, rational people tend to survive much better and longer than the irrational.

    Unfortunately, most people's intellects are not very rational, and their minds are full of contradictions, and are subject to the effects of unrealized emotional conditioning.

    Not to worry!   All is as it should be and the current state of the world could not have been otherwise.  To think it could be different, is to think you could have been a other than what you are.   Your identity is defined by Existence, as are all things.

    What happens next, is also determined by Existence.

     

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 3:29pm

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    Idiocracy Incorporated ...

    Ision,

    I don't believe there is a single thing that you've written that I disagree with.

    However, you write with an intellect that tells me you're educated.

    The educated tend to have far less off-spring, on average.

    The opposite being true - on average - of the ignorant, we are being absolved of our credibility, while being over-powered in our rational by malignant shit-funnel's, en-mass.

    I don't even think we could win this battle now.

    Even if we started fire bombing.

    Here's one interpretation, anyhow : -

    Finn

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 4:24pm

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    I disagree with Ision on profit

    Ision said he was for profit.  Can’t find the post to reference.  So what do you think?

    History has shown me that the pursuit of profit  is rapacious and will destroy to the point of collapse, that which it interacts with and pursues.  Look at the destruction reaped on West Virginia for coal.  The destruction will be evidenced for thousands of years.  Look at the collapse of the fishing industries.  Etc

    The indigenous cultures here in America had the belief of “if I eat, you eat, we all eat”.  Conquers came and said that is a flawed belief system and it threatens our profit driven, power driven, hierarchal  society and so the people and their way of life was destroyed.  Now that profit driven system is on it’s way to destroying us all.

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 6:01pm

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    AKGranny, do you actually think earning a profit is wrong?

    It's funny how profit has become a dirty word for some.  Money can be a dirty word for them too.  These words take on emotional meanings based on an individual's life experience.  But both are actually rather neutral if you can view them objectively for what they actually are, nothing more, nothing less.

    A capitalistic system is based on profit that rewards the capitalist for risking their capital.  If there's no profit, there's no incentive for someone to risk their capital.  Now there is such as thing as excessive or unethical profits like charging someone a 1,000% mark-up on a drug that is necessary for preservation of life but that's a different matter.   I think most people with a conscience can agree that that is wrong.  But everything you buy earns a profit for the one making it or selling it, otherwise they wouldn't do so and you'd have nothing to buy.  A normal retail mark-up, for example, is 50%.  Do you think it should be less?  How about 10% ... or 1%  ... or 0%?  Would you work for 0% profit?

    Did you ever have a job?  Did you ever earn money?  After you paid your bills, did you ever have some money left over and put it in the bank?  That is your profit.  Do you think you don't deserve that?  Would you work for nothing?

    The examples you cite are not problems with profit.  They are problems with greed.  And greed has been a component of human nature since we were formed.  And wanting something for nothing is one of the worst kinds of greed.  It afflicts both rich and poor.

    Perhaps this video will give you a bit of perspective on the issue.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

     

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2020 - 6:22pm

    ao

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    fionnbharr, my favorite movie opening scene

    I often send this to people to explain part of what is going on in the world today.  Unfortunately, this tsunami of stupidity will sweep all of us along, regardless of level of intelligence or rationality.  It's an analogous situation to drunk drivers.  If these dumb****s just took themselves out, there wouldn't be much of a problem.  But they all too often take the innocent and blameless with them.  There's the rub.

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  • Sun, Apr 05, 2020 - 12:48pm

    skipr

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    the bigger picture

    I just watched this documentary by John Pilger.  For me it describes why the virus outbreak started in China.  It's almost 2 hours long.

    https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/03/23/the-coming-war-on-china%e2%80%8a-%e2%80%8awatch-john-pilgers-powerfully-relevant-documentary/

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  • Sun, Apr 05, 2020 - 2:59pm

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    We are in an undeclared war with China

    Agreed. The West needs to wake up. Chinese children are taught that since the current nation of China has a 5000yr history of continuity, they are entitled to rule the world. As Confucianism is the prevailing belief, the eldest position is the one of power.

    Face (self importance) is tantamount to Chinese society. It is important in all of Asia as well. Loss of money translates into lost face. The CCP will do anything to remain in control. As the economy crashes, it will be more difficult to supply the major mega-cities with necessities like food. Look for more aggressive international moves.

    Here is a very simple explanation of how the Wuhan virus escaped the lab. It is done by a young man from upstate NY who lived in China for 10yrs, became language fluid, and married a Chinese lady.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU

     

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