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    Why The Time To Prepare For The Coronavirus Is *NOW*

    Preparing early has low downside. Preparing late could be VERY costly.
    by Adam Taggart

    Monday, February 3, 2020, 7:54 PM

With over 20,000 people now confirmed infected, the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak continues increasing at (or very close to) an exponential rate.

And that’s based on official data from the Chinese. There are many reasons to suspect those numbers are low vs reality — possibly much lower…

As Chris explains, even though we’ll have a lot more clarity on the coronavirus within two weeks, why wait until then to take action? The time to make your preparations for the pandemic arriving in your community is NOW.

Why?

Because the downside to preparing early is very low.

What’s the worst that could happen if you deepen your pantry now and turn out not to need it? You simply eat the excess food over time. Or you can donate it.

In contrast, the downside to preaparing late is extremely high.

The imperfect data we do have is extremely concerning. If more clarity with time confirms the threat, *everyone* will be rushing to grab the same supplies (think shortages, hoarding, fights, panic, etc).

Why risk your health and that of your family?

Stock up now.

Be sure to stay up-to-date on Peak Prosperity’s ongoing full coverage of the coronavirus outbreak by visiting here.

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  • Mon, Feb 03, 2020 - 9:19pm

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    asgordon123

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    As If things couldn't get any worse......

    China's Health Commission, which said on Monday that the coronavirus can survive for five days maximum on smooth surfaces under suitable circumstances.

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  • Mon, Feb 03, 2020 - 10:02pm

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    Charles

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    Good for Climate Change?

    Seems like we were all lamenting climate change not long ago and now we have a biological method to cut fossil fuel use, cement production and overall consumerism in major cities due to quarantine.

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  • Mon, Feb 03, 2020 - 10:17pm

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    Myrto Ashe

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    Still reserving my opinion on CFR calculation

    Chris, in my opinion, we don't have a trustworthy numerator OR denominator in Wuhan, or in China, and so we can't calculate a mortality rate. What can be said is that many people in China seem to get severely ill and require at least IVs, and often oxygen, and sometimes intubation. This is crashing their medical system, and if we see even a fraction of that here in the US, it will be a crisis.

    Here in the US, some patients have required hospitalization (the latest two I know of in the Bay Area). In Germany, they seem very lightly affected but it looks to me like they did a better job testing everyone that came in contact with the initial patient, including well-appearing family members (as opposed to whatever we are doing here).

    Also we don't know what exact test everyone uses. As far as I know, PCR testing is notorious for missing patients, but then antibody testing when the "adaptive" immune system is inhibited (which evidently happens early on) is also unreliable. Some pathogens like Lyme Disease are just a headache to find sometimes.
    So, everything we are guessing is tainted by the lens through which we see it. You can't say that the mortality rate is over 3% as it's abundantly clear that it's hard to get tested in Wuhan right now. Many people not at death's door are not getting a test. And you can't say it's above 3% because we are suspecting all the deaths are not counted either. And you don't know whether these two trends cancel themselves out.

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  • Mon, Feb 03, 2020 - 10:23pm

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    Mick Taylor

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    Deleveraging Events and Pandemics

    True deleveraging events only come around once every hundred years or so. The last great one took 25 years for the market to recoup its "losses".  The last one we had started in 2008. And, as a result Household debt loads haven't been this low since the 1970's. Because of that the market doesn't look primed for another massive collapse. We had a major pandemic 10 years ago in which 11% to 25% of the population took sick. Granted the death rate was lower and the epidemic was slower to spread (but according to the news reports at the time it was too fast for the CDC to contain) We weren't quarantined in 2009 but there were reports of Hospitals in America running out of supplies to H1N1 patients. My point is that the market didn't collapse. It took a quick down turn and then the recovery continued. If you look at the market during the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918. Same thing, short panic and then recovery.

    The economy will contract but when it stops it will come back. If the data we are seeing is correct somewhere between a 3% and 15% death rate of people whose ages average 55.5 then there is going to be a massive redistribution of wealth in this country from the rich to the poor and the rebound is going to be supercharged.  The OK Boomer meme just took a very sad turn.

    The housing supply in America is going to rise. Which could mean the end of the housing crisis ... unfortunately most of the units are going to be predominantly condominiums in Arizona and Florida golf communities.

     

     

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  • Mon, Feb 03, 2020 - 10:28pm

    Mick Taylor

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    Climate change

    Short term - the reduction is particles in the atmosphere from the shut down of Chinese factories is going to increase the temperature. Long term, yes everyday with out full consumption is a gift much like every day of sobriety is a gift to the liver.

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  • Mon, Feb 03, 2020 - 11:11pm

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    OK Chris

    You've succeeded in scaring the crap out of me, lol. Can you push that back to two months, I was all set to put in some concrete and a new shed. I can stock up on food in late March much better.

    (In case you didn't realize this comment was meant sarcastically.)

    ADDED: Don't forget to pull several hundred dollars in cash from your account. There may be disruptions in credit card processing or atm withdrawls due to absent workers. Store clerks might not be able to ring you up but will always take a $20 to let you pick some stuff up.

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  • Mon, Feb 03, 2020 - 11:29pm

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    dtrammel

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    Why Would You Think This?

    The economy will contract but when it stops it will come back. If the data we are seeing is correct somewhere between a 3% and 15% death rate of people whose ages average 55.5 then there is going to be a massive redistribution of wealth in this country from the rich to the poor and the rebound is going to be supercharged.  The OK Boomer meme just took a very sad turn.

    Mike I'm confused as why you would think a large die off in over 55, would result in a redistribution to the poor. The few that are rich are going to gift their wealth to their heirs who are probably well off already. The vast majority of people over 55 are poor. They aren't going to leave wealth they are going to leave debt. Their homes are over mortgaged, their credit cards are maxed out. That debt is going to have to be written off by the companies who own it.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 2:56am

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    Sabemenos

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    Panic or reasonable reaction?

    we are an elderly Pennsylvania small farm couple and after reading this we stocked up and could  ride out a couple months.  But January 24, before this was on our radar, we took a bus trip to New York.  The museum was packed with Chinese people and we were all touching those same buttons that play the audio for the exhibits. Three days ago my husband and I started coughing and have relentless headaches. The visiting nurse said that my husbands lungs sound crappy but since there’s no fever there’s no need to do anything.  We both had flu and pneumonia vaccines so it’s not the flu

    Am I freaking out needlessly or could ncoV Be circulating  under the radar ?   If the nurse didn’t think we needed to see the doctor and there’s no fever then I probably am overreacting.

    What would you do?

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 3:11am

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    Sabemenos - dont worry

    Stay hydrated, self quarantine and go to the doctor wearing a mask if there is shortness of breath or other severe symptoms. In the exceedingly small chance it is nCov, most people get a mild case, so the odds are in your favor.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 4:37am

    Sabemenos

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    Thanks

    Good advice!

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 5:11am

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    VeganDB12

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    Thank you again Chris and Adam and PP community

    I think about how exhausting it is to keep up with this situation.  It is no easy task.  Thank you all again (I am sure I speak for many others) for all you have done to keep us updated and to help us prepare.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 5:22am

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    Remain calm

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 6:13am

    phoenixl

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    flu shots don't ward off all flu viruses

    You say you've had flu shots so it can't be flu. This is incorrect, because flu shots only contain a couple of the viruses doctors guessed would be the most prevalent this year, and do not contain all the possible flu viruses that were floating around the country last year. Just so you know that you are not 100% protected by your flu shot. Since your husband's lungs sound so bad, I would call around to different hospitals to talk to the on-line nurse (this is free) and ask their opinion. Having an elderly person with bad-sounding lungs is an entirely different situation than a young person with the same symptoms. Also, whatever you picked up in that museum, whether from China or not, still must be considered serious enough to get some second opinions (and third and fourth).

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 6:48am

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    MiguelitoDeSilva

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    Silver?

    This is a great website and I enjoy reading the comments which are often very informative. Finally decided to join the discussion.

    Some friends have shared amazing success curing pneumonia and bronchitis taking 5ml colloidal silver in a nebulizer several times a day. One started just as symptoms began and it was gone in a couple of days. Another had pneumonia diagnosed and knocked it out in 5 days. As I understand it silver nanoparticles work well internally, but silver ions don't because they react with salts and become ineffective. Silver nanoparticles kill all virus, bacteria and fungus. Some recent literature has reported the first bacterial resistance to silver ions, but not nanoparticles.

     

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 6:49am

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    Oxygen Tanks & IV

    We've exhausted our basic preparations are halfway through are no power 3 months situation. Now my thoughts are drifting to oxygen tanks and I v's. Our kids will be traveling back to our home soon. To be ultra paranoid in assume that they may have caught it I'm trying to think ahead about facilities being at Max capacity. I should probly be able to self administer ivies and oxygen to them or me assuming the worst case scenario that we all get it. I don't even know where to start on that I don't know where to get oxygen IV bags accept her ex cetera

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 6:49am

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    Alex Earle said:

    Forgive my grammar I'm trying a voice text and drive

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 7:37am

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    Mr Curious

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    When does virus stop shedding

    Some of the articles I've seen from the German patients suggested that they had mild symptoms, however they were able to shed the virus both before and after their mild symptoms. If this is correct, how atypical is this?

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 8:02am

    Myrto Ashe

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    Virus shedding reply

    Most viral illnesses shed before symptoms begin, the only reason there is doubt on this one is because reportedly SARS does not.

    Many infections including viruses can continue to shed after symptoms resolve, so not a surprise there either.

    To the Pennsylvania elderly couple: does your visiting nurse have an oxygen saturation meter? Are you short of breath? I would not hesitate to seek care and please mention the Chinese people at the museum when you do.  It’s not about panicking, this could be any sort of pneumonia, the vaccines do not protect you anywhere near 100%. Call ahead of course, And consider going to a hospital rather than your primary care physician’s clinic. Hospitals have infection control and infectious disease specialists who are much more likely to be up-to-date on something like this.

     

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 8:35am

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    Petition to cancel classes at Alhambra schools gains traction amid global outbreak

    The call to cancel classes was posted on Change.org, where it garnered nearly 14,000 signatures by Tuesday morning.

    Though it is unclear who created the petition, it appears to be written by a student.

    "At school, students would have a higher chance to get infected and would have less focus in class knowing there is a disease that is potentially 5 or 10 minutes away from entering our lungs. Studying while knowing that your life is in danger does not create a stable and safe learning environment and would make students take their mind off of studying which is a necessity to test scores," the petition states.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 8:43am

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    Your situation

    You say you are elderly.  Therefore, question is what are your underlying medical conditions?  Do you have heart or lung issues?  Immune system issues?  If so, you may be more susceptible to severe reactions based on underlying issues.

    Find the BEST ER/hospital based clinic in your area.  Rural ERs vary by their capabilities - a lot.  Don't worry about your insurance coverage.  Do NOT go to your GP's office.  Do not go to a big city ER, a good local ER will send you to the best specialist hospital if they can't handle it and you won't sit in an ER with every kid that has sniffles and the gang-related injuries.

    So, how do you find an adequate local ER?  You can look at their ratings.  You can also call every nurse and CNA and hospice provider you know and ask who they think is best locally.  You can also ask your local EMT's.  If you get any sort of consensus be ready to head there.  Don't wait too long.

    To go, put on clean clothing and gloves, as well as masks.  Don't wear anything, including coats that you've been touching.  So keep an emergency set of clothes and blankets washed and ready.  Take them out of the washer and dryer with clean clothing, mask and gloves on and put them in a plastic bag.
    Drive yourselves if at all possible - you don't want to contaminate the local ambulance.  When you get there insist that they test for the virus and make sure you are in whatever quarantine they have available and the emergency room staff take precautions.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 8:44am

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    Here’s what US schools are doing in response to the coronavirus

     
    Here’s what US schools are doing in response to the coronavirus
    “During the outbreak, we ask any students who have a fever of 100.4 Fahrenheit or greater to be kept home until they have no fever for 24 hours, without fever medication,” superintendent Francisco Escobedo stated in the letter.

    Others are going even further and asking students who have traveled to the region not to attend classes.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 8:49am

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    Amid concern over coronavirus outbreak, concerts across Asia are being canceled

    Amid concern over coronavirus outbreak, concerts across Asia are being canceled
     

    Concerts and shows are being canceled, not just in China but across much of Asia, as the coronavirus outbreak that has killed more than 400 people and reached more than 20 countries spooks the entertainment industry.

    Performances have been called off or postponed in South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong and Macao over concern that people could be infected by the virus that first appeared in the central China city of Wuhan.

    The Boston Symphony Orchestra called off its Asia tour, and the Hong Kong Philharmonic canceled five concerts.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 8:51am

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    what schools are NOT doing

    Oh wow, after we know we're contagious we'll go home.
    Our local university refused to quarantine, only monitor as they wonder around their dorm, including the cafeteria.
    Makes you think that home schooling and on-line universities may be the way of the future.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 8:57am

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    Russia sets up Siberia quarantine to prepare for potential virus spread

    Russia sets up Siberia quarantine to prepare for potential virus spread
    Russia’s consumer health watchdog has told people to wear medical masks on public transport and to change them regularly, but authorities in Russia’s Far East said a sudden spike in demand for masks was threatening to create shortages.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 9:05am

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    Casinos, factories close across Asia as coronavirus fears spread

    Casinos, factories close across Asia as coronavirus fears spread
    Macau, the world's biggest gambling hub, said on Tuesday it had asked all casino operators to suspend operations for two weeks to help curb the spread of the new coronavirus...............Separately, Hyundai Motor Company plans to gradually suspend production at its factories in South Korea from Tuesday, as the virus outbreak in China has disrupted supplies of vehicle components, a Hyundai Motor union official said.

     

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 9:05am

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    Elderly PA couple- more medical advice for what it's worth

    Sabemenos- I see you've already received a lot of well meaning advice on your question. I would add that it is well known that elderly folks frequently do NOT mount a fever despite being gravely ill(this is yet another problem with the current screening measures BTW). As of today I am much more worried about your husband having regular old community acquired pneumonia than nCov but either way he needs to get to a healthcare provider at a higher level of training than the nurse who already evaluated him. Respiratory rate(how many breaths per minute), O2 saturation(finger monitor), temperature, blood pressure, pulse, labs, chest exam, and chest X-ray are all often considered in establishing the possible diagnosis of pneumonia.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 9:24am

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    Even with New 1,000 bed Hospital...Wuhan still needs hotels, gymnasiums and an exhibition center as temporary hospitals

    https://www.cgtn.com/special/Battling-the-novel-coronavirus-What-we-know-so-far-.html

    Preventative measures include enlisting a batch of hotels and venues to centrally treat patients with mild illness or observe people who came into close contact with patients, adding another 2,000 medical workers to support Hubei, and dispatching a high-level medical team to take over the hospitals that treat critically ill patients, the group stated.

    Wuhan will convert three existing venues, including a gymnasium and an exhibition center, into temporary hospitals to receive patients with the novel coronavirus, and the three makeshift medical facilities will add a total capacity of 3,800 beds.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 9:24am

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    Oxygen and hydration

    I think alot can be done with hydration even without IV's.  Constant little sips, you can do an awful lot with your own nursing with a sick person.  Have a chart with urine color and amount from teh sick persona dn you can easily see that they are not getting dehydrated.  In the hospital, they do not have the time or personnel to do this, for them an IV is easier.  And they give medicines thru the IV and some IV's have some "food" value, ie., ringers solution,  but you giving oral hydration will have food value, ie.  broths, dilute fruit juice.  I would not worry about not having IV's at home.

     

    Oxygen.  You do not buy an oxygen tank to keep at home.  At home and in nursing homes what they use is a small unit that concentrates the oxygen from the ambient air.  They sell at medical supply houses and on Amazon, and cost about $300.  I have sick elderly parents, so have seen these.  A hospital does have the ability to give higher concentrations of oxygen, but most often people are just on the lower concentrations that these units supply.  I am not advocating you get one,  just letting you know that is what it is.  This one I am linking is completely arbitrary, just the first one that cam up on amazon to give you an idea, look for one recommended by people wth COPD or emphisema   https://www.amazon.com/Vuiluyy-Concentrato-rGenerator-Adjustable-Portable/dp/B081DHL8DM/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=oxygen+machine&qid=1580837118&sr=8-7

     

     

     

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 9:40am

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    Japan coronavirus tests

    From NHK website.

    "Japan's health ministry said on Tuesday that the new coronavirus has been detected in three people whose initial test results were negative."

    An American couple on a Japanese cruise ship reported it took only 45 seconds to test both of them.

    Japanese scientists are developing a more effective test.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 9:45am

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    Chinese males more vulnerable to Coronavirus

    In one of the videos, Chris said there was conjecture as to why Chinese males may be more vulnerable. I couldn't find any more discussion. Does anyone know what that might be?

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 9:47am

    Mick Taylor

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    Who has the money in America - redistribution.

    Yes. Boomers are not as well of as their parents were but look at the numbers. Boomers are way more wealthy than Gen X, Mils. adn Gen Z. (as they should be they've had more time to acquire wealth).

     

    I take it all back though. China's total debt is 300% of GDP. America's is apx 195% there's plenty of room to deleverage. I have to think about what's goig to happen when china sells its American debt assests to pay its debt. I have no idea. It's very complicated. I'm not that good at chess.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 9:56am

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    Andy_S

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    YES - ASIAN MALES More SUSCEPTIBLE

    This is because they have approx 4 or 5 TIMES more ACE-2 Receptors in the lungs.

    Look thru the Comments sections here and you will see links to studies that prove this

    -Andy

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 10:23am

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    This Comment for ACE2 Percentage Chart

    Mark, you can see the chart with the various percentage in this comment here:

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-how-bad-will-it-get/#comment-303355

    As you can see Asian males mostly in China and Japan are at the top of the list.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 10:46am

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    China orders remains of coronavirus patients to be cremated nearby

    China orders remains of coronavirus patients to be cremated nearby
     

    BEIJING - Chinese authorities have ordered the remains of patients infected with the novel coronavirus to be cremated close to where they are, and funeral traditions such as a farewell ceremony are banned, Xinhua news agency reported on Sunday (Feb 2).

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 11:16am

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    Temporary hospital photo brings back memories of the good old days (Spanish Flu)

     

     

     

    Image result for spanish flu makeshift hospital

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1178495.shtml

     

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 11:49am

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    Temporary emergency health care facilities during pandemic

    Those photos remind me of the Huston Astrodome after Katrina. Hopefully important lessons were learned in the event that western health care systems become stressed to over whelmed.10 Years Since Katrina: When The Astrodome Was A Mass ...

     

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 12:20pm

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    Really dumb headline and story(scroll to comments below the story)

     
    Coronavirus update: At least 425 deaths, 176 confirmed cases outside of China, S&P predicts outbreak will stabilize in April
    Comments so far (Hey Chris...is that you in there at the top?):

    • No...No..No...We had a big rally today it's all good...nothing to see here folks move along....
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      Wall Street is sleeping on the economic fallout from the virus.
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      Iam sure communist china is already preparing to load another 1/2 trillion... What's the going rate to buy yourself out of a worldly pandemic? 1 trillion, 2 trillion 3...
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      Hahahahahaaha. Macau casinos close down for 2 weeks and US Casino operators with huge business in Macau go UP!!!!!! Imagine how much they will go up if they close for 2 months!!!!!
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        Willie Masconi
        The Fed will come to the Rescue of the Stock Market and the US Economy. That is why the Dow is up 450 Points. Wall Street sometimes has a memory lapse about the fact that Death & Supply Chains can end an economic expansion, even if there is an abundance of money.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 12:41pm

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    Sparky1

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    Local clinic experience suggests health facilities likely nCoV hotspots for transmission

    Yesterday I had to go for a standing doctor appointment and blood work at a large clinic in Modesto, CA. I was shocked to find that I was the ONLY person wearing an N95 mask among about 50 people waiting in the lab, which is immediately adjacent to the oncology/hematology department where another 11 people waited, unmasked. Ditto for the occupational health waiting area, and through the entire first floor lobby, information desk, café and elevator areas.

    The majority of the people in these areas appear to be older to elderly and many very frail. There were 2 pregnant women also. None of the health care workers at the intake desks wore masks. I saw one receptionist in the lab cough into her hand and then take/provide paperwork to a patient. I saw a lab technician remove her gloves properly, only to carry them to the reception desk, pick-up paperwork and then dispose of the gloves on her way back to the lab area. There were many people coughing and sneezing.

    At my doctor's office, I told the health tech that I was surprised to see no one wearing masks during this "high flu season" and mentioned the new coronavirus. She said that they advised people to wear masks if they had a fever. (There was no signage stating that, and masks were available at tables, not at reception desks.) She said that call center receptionists were screening people by phone when they made appointments re: fever in general and nCoV specifically, i.e., fever, cough, recent travel to China and related exposures.  Since I had a standing appointment, I was never pre-screened. Lab services are provided on a walk-in basis.

    The health tech said if the patients met the criteria for possible nCoV then they went through a "whole triage procedure" to keep them out of the general patient population. She said that she and other health care personnel had received a barrage of texts and other communiques over the past few days re: nCoV.

    Throughout my visit, I avoided touching anything and stood in the corner as far away from others as possible--ironically near the area marked "infection control". I kept my mask on and used hand sanitizer frequently, opened doors with tissues, etc.

    So I witnessed about 100 people, many obviously elderly and/or health compromised, potentially exposed or infected with nCoV during my limited visit.  My takeaway is that this is typical for how US health care systems are "taking precautions" to identify and prevent the spread of nCoV--and it is woefully inadequate.

    I fear that nCoV is going to explode across the US, and elsewhere. Prep accordingly.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 2:59pm

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    Anastazia

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    Help... I live in South Africa 🌍 it's bad...

    Hi there, I live in South Africa in Pretoria.

    I wanted to firstly say thank you Chris and Peak Prosperity for the video's. You have been a great source of light in a very dark country for myself and my family.

    I wanted to find out if you are wanting to get a bit of an idea of what is going on in Africa and South Africa...

    It's not good for Africa nor South Africa.

    I have to get updated info from you guys about the details of what and how bad it is around the world. My government is not telling us anything about this virus and the citizens are unaware of what's going on. I am not even joking about the details.

     

    I am personally petrified and I have been trying to find out where to get tested for the Novel Coronavirus. There is no public awareness at all.

    I can share this with you if you want to see what is going on here. I'm sacred and am very worried that I have the virus already. I work in sales and have helped hundreds of people on a daily basis throughout the Xmas season and this year. Have been around Chinese people.

    I tried reaching out to the government to find out what I could do to get tested and nothing. I will continue wearing my masks and make sure that I keep my hands clean and I will be going to my normal GP tomorrow. I will see what she says.

    Please keep doing what you are doing and thank you.

     

    🔸 Please keep Africa in your thoughts guys.

    We are not going to be okay. It is not good for us. Many people will die SOON, VERY SOON and we are not being informed

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 3:39pm

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    Welcome to the community Anastazia

    First suggestion is to take a deep breath and calm down. For now the chance you have nCov are very low. Not zero, even having been around Chinese recently, but low enough you can stop being terrified. Unless you are feeling ill, with coughing or a fever right now, you're fine. Even then, there is a high likelihood its a cold of the common flu.

    Get a good hot cup of your preferred beverage, then take a couple of hours and watch Chris' series of videos and read through comments. Start at the first one and work your way forward. You want to educate yourself on the facts and see where there is much misinformation.

    Approach this like there was a typhoon or big storm on the horizon. Time to make some preparation and to take stock of your situation. You don't say if you have a family, children or other relatives. What your job and housing situation is. How much ready cash you have.

    Without more detailed information, I would make these general suggestion.

    See how much food and water you have on hand. You want to build up what you have, focusing on meals that will last without refrigeration. Also meals that don't require a lot of preparation or effort to fix. Buy what you can for now and try to build up more as you go along. Any amount of reserve will help you.

    Cleaning supplies as well. Go for things that actually kill germs to spray on surfaces. Hand sanitizer too for you at home and for when you travel. Some more masks and rubber gloves if you can get them. Keep a mask and a couple of pair of gloves in your purse.

    You don't say if you have a shower or a bathtub. One quick thing you can do is put a large plastic tote in your bathtub and fill it with water. This will give you a little bit of reserve.

    Pick up some ibuprerin, aspirin or other pain meds, along with some cough and fever meds. A couple of big bags of cough drops too.

    Those things you can do over the next couple of days while you learn more. You are not alone in this.

    Others will offer more suggestions.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 3:50pm

    Sparky1

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    Anastazia, stay well and strong! PP members, your input and expertise are encouraged. :-)

    Welcome to PP, Anastazia! I've seen absolutely no information here on PP and in mainstream/alternative media about nCoV awareness, precautions, cases or fatalities in Africa.  (Chris mentioned it in this morning's/yesterday's video, I believe.) The lack of information for those outside Africa is very concerning, and must be significantly more so for you and others living in Africa.  So your "boots-on-the-ground", first-person perspective and experiences would be very valuable to the PP community, to the extent you feel comfortable in sharing them. However, maintaining your privacy and safety (physically and politically (e.g., censorship)) is most important.

    There's a wealth of information here on PP in the articles and comments regarding particular steps to fortify your well-being in general (e.g., "Resilience" tab for members above) and for nCoV specifically.  There are so many people here that have particular expertise that could be immediately helpful to you, so I'm encouraging other PP members to chime in.

    Stay well and strong, Anastazia, and please keep us posted.

    All the best,

    Sparky1

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 4:13pm

    VeganDB12

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    Anastazia

    First of all welcome,  This is a good community and Chris and Adam are dedicated to providing guidance and accurate information.

    I found an article that lists some hospitals in South Africa which are involved in monitoring Coronavirus.  Does this look accurate to you? Do you live near any of the centers listed?

    https://www.goodthingsguy.com/business/coronavirus-south-africa-operations-centres/

     

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 4:27pm

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    Sparky1

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    nCoV Africa: 1st case reported; other updates

    Coronavirus latest updates: First case reported in Africa
    The student was travelling from Beijing. (Source)

    African countries rush to reinforce defences against coronavirus     (Source)

    East African airways suspend China flights due to coronavirus (Source)

    Africa mobilizes against coronavirus as fears mount (Source)

     

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 4:48pm

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    Sparky1

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    FDA issues emergency use authorization for CDC-approved labs to test for nCoV

    FDA Takes Significant Step in Coronavirus Response Efforts, Issues Emergency Use Authorization for the First 2019 Novel Coronavirus Diagnostic  (Source)

    "Under this EUA, the use of 2019-nCoV Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel is authorized for patients who meet the CDC criteria for 2019-nCoV testing. Testing is limited to qualified laboratories designated by the CDC and, in the U.S., those certified to perform high complexity tests. The diagnostic is a reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test that provides presumptive detection of 2019-nCoV from respiratory secretions, such as nasal or oral swabs. A positive test result indicates likely infection with 2019-nCoV and infected patients should work with their health care provider to manage their symptoms and determine how to best protect the people around them. Negative results do not preclude 2019-nCoV infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment or other patient management decisions. Negative results must be combined with clinical observations, patient history and epidemiological information."

    Sparky1 note: The FDA news release did not specify the number or location of CDC certified labs authorized to perform nCoV testing. Prior to this authorization, PCR testing was only available from the CDC, which added at minimum 2 days to getting a definitive diagnosis. This authorization should expedite obtaining nCoV tests/test results.  Looks like US health officials are ramping-up capacity to deal with anticipated increases in nCoV suspected and confirmed cases.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 4:57pm

    FOOTLOOSE

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    Decrease in industrial production

    Global dimming due to the particulates you mention  is 'sustaining' us. A significant decrease of this aerosol effect will tip us into runaway global warming, not just some temperature increase.

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  • Tue, Feb 04, 2020 - 5:10pm

    Sparky1

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    CDC-approved labs for nCoV testing: state, regional health labs; DoD labs to test US servicememembers; others

     

    Information for Laboratories 2019-nCoV Requests for Diagnostic Tools and Virus

    "Which labs will receive the diagnostic tool?"

    "Once CDC’s diagnostic test is authorized by FDA under the EUA, the IRR will begin distributing the test to the following laboratories:
    Qualified U.S. laboratories. This includes primary state public health laboratories, regional health laboratories, and a small number of overseas Department of Defense laboratories that test U.S. servicemembers.
    Pre-approved international laboratories. Only registered laboratories will be able to order and obtain the test. This includes the following:
    World Health Organization (WHO) Global Influenza Surveillance Response System (GISRS) laboratories.
    National laboratories in countries in which there is not a GISRS laboratory or laboratories that are strategic laboratory partners of CDC.

    Each laboratory that places an order will receive one test initially, and each test provides 1,000 reactions."

    (Source)

     

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  • Wed, Feb 05, 2020 - 6:29am

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    MiguelitoDeSilva

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    Colloidal Silver Usage With A Nebulizer for Viral Pneumonia

    WHO spokesman Tarik Jasarevic said: “There are no known effective therapeutics against this 2019-nCoV (virus) and the WHO recommends enrolment into a randomized controlled trial to test efficacy and safety.” This is only correct if you’re limited to FDA approved drugs.

    I’ve found no human clinical trials about this and only a couple with animals (rats) for bacterial pneumonia. The paper linked below shares clinical expert experiences with viral pneumonia using colloidal silver and a nebulizer. The FDA works very hard to keep people from knowing this, because it would cut into their medical industry owners' profits too much. Instead, this information needs to be shared widely.

    It's important that the colloidal silver be one of the very few good products which contain only very pure water, a high proportion of silver nanoparticles on the small end of the range (amber to yellow colored) and some unavoidable silver ions (which react with salt and become far less effective than the nanoparticles). It should contain no salts, nitrates, proteins, polymers or other contaminates, especially for use in a nebulizer. See the bottom link for more on this. See the bottom link for more on this.

    It’s reported that beginning this several times a day soon after congestion starts can result in relief after only a few days, and longer if more severe. Waiting until congestion is very severe could cause the moisture in the cool mist to make the condition worse and use should stop immediately. Consult your physician, think for yourself and do what is best for you.

    The paper titled “What Real Medical, Scientific and Clinical Experts Have to Say About Colloidal Silver Usage” is at
    https://www.academia.edu/33343042/What_Real_Medical_Scientific_and_Clinical_Experts_Have_to_Say_About_Colloidal_Silver_Usage

    Here is the best page I’ve found to help identify one of the few good products without the need for lab equipment. http://ppmsilvercosmetics.com/Brochures/BeSureItsRealColloidalSilver.pdf

    Disclaimer

    The statements made here have not been approved by the Food and Drug Administration. These statements are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. This notice is required by the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act.

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  • Wed, Feb 05, 2020 - 11:08am

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    Holistic

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    Stay Calm and Take Precautions

    https://holistichealth.one/treatment-for-coronavirus/ The Coronavirus outbreak is now affecting people all over the world. It can be very nasty if you're not prepared for it. No need to panic, but you do need prepare. A few simple precautions can save you from catching it or any other viral infection going around including the flu. Holistic options are available and best for prevention as well. #coronavirus #flu #immune

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  • Wed, Feb 05, 2020 - 12:58pm

    RebelYell

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    Oxygen equipment

    This is a reply to mntnhousepermi who linked to this oxygen concentrator:    https://www.amazon.com/Vuiluyy-Concentrato-rGenerator-Adjustable-Portable/dp/B081DHL8DM/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=oxygen+machine&qid=1580837118&sr=8-7

    While mntnhousepermi avoided recommending buying one of these, I am going to disagree.  If corona virus does spread outside China with anything like the same consequences then there are going to be far more cases of pneumonia than oxygen equipment.  And oxygen equipment is probably the single factor which will make the biggest difference to your chance of survival.  Far more than using N95 masks in an unlikely-to-be-successful attempt to avoid infection for example.

    The only quibble I have with mntnhousepermi is the quality of the device he linked to.  The cheap devices available on Amazon are not considered "medical oxygen equipment", largely because they do not produce sufficiently high concentrations of Oxygen at the sort of flow volumes necessary for a pneumonia patient, nor are they capable of continuous operation.

    They're still better than nothing of course, but a medical oxygen device would be significantly more useful.  The problem is that a medical oxygen device requires a prescription (presumably the result of some scoundrels lobbying for a regulation which put money in their pocket).  However you may be able to find them for sale on craigslist.  I happened to notice that in my area there were a couple for sale at around $200.

    It's also the case that people who are non-residents of the US are able to purchase these from dealers without a prescription by signing a waiver stating that they are not a resident which might be useful for those of you who are non residents.

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  • Wed, Feb 05, 2020 - 1:36pm

    Spock396

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    Oxygen Equipment

    I've already taken possession of an oxygen concentrator that I purchased from Amazon UK. My wife has had pneumonia several times and I'm conscious of the fact that if the virus strikes here, which I think it will, then the NHS will not be able to cope. In my opinion access to emergency health services should not be taken for granted.

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  • Thu, Feb 06, 2020 - 2:36am

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    Anastazia

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    Update on my situation in South Africa.

    Hi there everyone

    Thanks so much for the innumerable amount of advice and support. Very helpful.

    I have a lot of updates on firstly myself regarding my concerns about feeling unwell (went to the doctors yesterday)

    Secondly the situation that South Africans are facing. I have information from my doctor and a few other people (doctor, people who are in the military, as well as a person who works in the government and a reporter who is from the news studio)

    I would like to share this with you however I would prefer to do it privately via WhatsApp or email, as I have pictures, email and videos that could put me in a risky position.

    I have shared all of the amazing advice you have given me with my family (parents, child, sisters and brothers and my partner)

    Most of them are starting to follow your suggestions.

    For that I am truly grateful to all of you. Thank you for your help during this insurmountable period this world is facing.

    If someone is interested to see what is going on in Africa and would like me to share with you please kindly let me know via email or private message.

    Again thanks

     

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  • Thu, Feb 06, 2020 - 11:27am

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    Sparky1

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    Prep Now: Where there is no dr./dentist; Survival Medicine and other resources

    The most important thing one can do now to prep for the nCoV and other crises is to build knowledge and skills. Here are some helpful, reputable resources for managing health and medical concerns when formal services are unavailable or unaffordable. Best to get hard copy versions of these resources in case the Internet is down or devices are not operational.

    I'm providing this with the usual disclaimers:  I'm not a doctor. I am providing information, not health or medical advice. Please consult with your health/medical professional for any concerns.

    Here's a link to free pdf downloads in multiple languages for "Where There is No Doctor", or dentist, as well as guides for several other specific conditions and circumstances:  https://hesperian.org/books-and-resources/

    "The Survival Medicine Handbook" and other books/resources by Joseph Alton, MD, and Amy Alton, ARNP; includes natural/herbal and pharma approaches.:  https://www.doomandbloom.net/med-herbal-book-resources/

    Drug Reference resources: 

    "Physician's Desk Reference" or Nurses Drug Reference books:  Search online for print or online resources; some older versions may be available but still useful in a pinch, augmented with a quick check for online updates for specific drugs.

    Drugs.com:  https://www.drugs.com/

    Rxlist.com:  https://www.rxlist.com/script/main/hp.asp

    FEMA "Shelf Life Extension Plan" study found that many drugs, if properly stored, can be extended long past their expiration date. https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3525372/Stability-Profiles-of-Expired-Drugs.pdf

    The Altons' manual provides information about antibiotics safe and appropriate use, dosage,  storage and expiration dates, and use of aquatic or avian antibiotics during emergencies. Again: not providing medical or health care advice or treatment here.

    Thomas Labs in the US produces antibiotics for human consumption and for animals. Dr. Alton cautions to "Look only for those veterinary drugs that have the antibiotic as their SOLE ingredient." Thomas Labs:  https://www.thomaslabs.com/category/s?keyword=antibiotics

     

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  • Thu, Feb 06, 2020 - 12:08pm

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    Holistic

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    Don't fear, Do prepare

    https://holistichealth.one/treatment-for-coronavirus/ The Coronavirus outbreak is now affecting people all over the world. It can be very nasty if you're not prepared for it. No need to panic, but you do need prepare. A few simple precautions can save you from catching it or any other viral infection going around including the flu. Holistic options are available and best for prevention as well. #coronavirus #flu #immune

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  • Thu, Feb 06, 2020 - 1:40pm

    annepan001

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    Oxygen generators?

    RebelYell, do you have any recommendations on the best oxygen generators to buy? This is completely outside my experience, so I have no idea even where to start looking for recommendations on what's worth buying. Is there an Amazon equivalent for 'proper' medical equipment?

     

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  • Fri, Feb 07, 2020 - 10:10am

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    Yoxa

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    Continuing preps

    Manitoba, Canada - Amidst the heavy statistical talk in some threads, my focus is to continue building up my pantry. No matter how this story unfolds, we'll need to eat.

    I'm working to get tasks done from my to-do list that require going out and about. For now I'm not concerned about going out in my community,  but I figure, get 'em done soon so I can stay in later if need be. That ranges from booking a dentist appointment to using up a restaurant gift card.

    I'm also ramping up the decluttering that was one of my New Year's resolutions. If we had to escalate from ordinary cleaning to serious disinfection, that would be easier with less stuff around.

    I've been pondering, "What could I do to make life easier for my executors if I were to be hit by the virus truck?" It's a good time to review my will and think about ways to tidy up some financial affairs.  To begin with, make sure my binder with info about bank accounts, stocks etc. is up to date.

    I've even been doing some online decluttering, such as cancelling some unused social accounts. I'll be doing more of that.

    Such things make sense in ordinary times, so it's not morbid to think about them now.

    I think of it as practical paranoia! 🙂

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