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    When It Comes To Protection From The Coronavirus, You’re On Your Own

    The response from most world authorities borders on criminally negligent
    by Adam Taggart

    Friday, February 28, 2020, 9:05 PM

The coronavirus is now reported in 59 countries.

It’s a global pandemic, even if the WHO still refuses to call it that.

And speaking of the WHO, the CDC, and most of the governments around the world, they’re still unwilling to urge folks to take advance preparation. In too many cases, the numbers and terminology are being ‘fudged’ in ways both obvious and insulting.

It’s getting maddening at this point. Not only is their lack of urgency putting lives at risk, it’s increasing the chaos and panic that will ensue in areas overwhelmed by mass outbreaks when they occur.

Even the stubborn financial markets have finally realized that covid-19 is a major problem and have been in violent meltdown. In fact, the past week has seen the fastest 10%+ loss in the S&P 500 in history.

Folks, this is now a fast-spreading global crisis and it’s crystal clear we can’t rely on the authorities adequately protect or even forewarn us.

When it comes to protection from the coronavirus, you’re on your own.

Keep preparing while there’s still time.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:16pm

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    Gossamer

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    Iran's actual death count

    According to Rachel Maddow tonight on TV, the BBC took a poll hospital by hospital in Iran, and came to the conclusion that the actual death toll today in Iran is 210.

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:20pm

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    Thailand - pneumonia cases

    That chart clearly shows a change from base line of less than 100 around late jan , to about 3000 currently with less than 100 confirmed cases makes absolutely no sense. I agree most of the monitoring and testing for the virus is way too insufficient.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:25pm

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    Time2help

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    Thin line

    The thin line separating incompetence and malice is "intent".

    "U.S. workers without protective gear assisted coronavirus evacuees, HHS whistleblower says" - Seattle Times

    "The complaint alleges HHS staff were “improperly deployed” and were “not properly trained or equipped to operate in a public health emergency situation.” The complaint also alleges the workers were potentially exposed to coronavirus because appropriate steps were not taken to protect them and staffers were not trained in wearing personal protective equipment, even though they had face-to-face contact with returning passengers. The workers were in contact with passengers in an airplane hangar where evacuees were received and on two other occasions: when they helped distribute keys for room assignments and hand out colored ribbons for identification purposes.

    In some instances, the teams were working alongside personnel from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in “full gown, gloves and hazmat attire,” the complaint said."

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:30pm

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    nordicjack

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    The CDC is clearly run by idiots

    Intelligence is often defined by the ability to see relations in seemingly unrelated things or draw deductions from those. Or more accurately high intelligence or genius. It is clear that at least some of those at the CDC and WHO are clearly either paid for political and economic reasons to state things not factual or lack basic intelligence that they should have to do their jobs. It is clear, that something the president along with many others do not understand or fail to admit or convey to the public is simply that we do not have the ability with the medical community to burden another flu mind something that affects 60% of the population (6 times the flu) even if it was only as lethal as the flu. Additionally, they are unable to draw the deductions of lack of resources for all other needs - meaning , basic medicines will be short , protective wear will be short, and staffing and facilities and equipment will be short during a condition of pandemic or epidemic. The ramifications here are simple. There will be increased mortality for all causes. even the flu becomes more deadly, when there is less meds , ICU vents, or staff. And mortality will also increase for all other causes as the medical system becomes overwhelmed. This was even shown by another poster about their aunt who needed a ICU bed at UC davis because ICU staff had been quarantined. This is the fall-out here. Its not just about this virus alone.. Its what it adds to what we can do. or can't do.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:31pm

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    Check those store shelves.....

    Returned from a weeklong trip to Canada today. The wife and I figured we'd swing by the old Walmart and fill a few remaining holes in the pantry. The bulk rice/beans and anything long term dehydrated or freeze dried was gone along with much of the flour and paper goods. Saw a couple carts in the store that were obviously stocking up. I'm guessing at most 5% or 10% of the population is really even wary of this yet. In addition, plenty of people will be hitting the isles at the first of the month for SNAP. I think the window for "normal" shopping is starting to close....pass the beer nuts.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:46pm

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    George Karpouzis

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    Beijing hospitals only accepting COVID-19 patients

    Oh man this scared the hell out of me

    If this is true then containment in China is failing. We are in for some hell.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:46pm

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    DaveDD

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    Exactly my thoughts: we are on our own.

    Exactly my thoughts: we are on our own. Not because we are run by idiots, but because we are run by sociopaths, driven by fear and blind ambition. Fear of losing their power, their money, their punani. Amoral persons whose ambition and acts turn immoral in a situation like this. I truly hope that this pandemic, oops correction, eh, things that make you go hmmm will lead to a worldwide wake up call.  We are just a smartphone away from the age of robber barons. People get the leadership they deserve, at least in a democracy that is.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 9:52pm

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    Desogames

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    Just a quick update

    Made it through the night fine.I actually feel pretty good right now! it might be over.

    But i also have very little energy in my legs, have trouble standing up, sometimes i fall over cause my legs just wont carry my body. Also when i woke up i had diarrhea.

    There's no reason for me to have diarrhea. Not today anyway. Not after waking up. I *have* taped off the vents weeks ago because i live in a building with alot of old people.

    I am very much predicting the netherlands increasing massively the *moment* they're going to do mass testing. Just as a reminder - the official guidelines that are being followed *very* strictly say:

    1. You have to have been abroad or have had confirmed contact with an infected person
    2. you need to measure a minimum fever of 38C RECTALLY.

    Don't have one of the two? no test for you.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:00pm

    angusjnorthgmail-com

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    Hot or not

    Thailand is a hot country. It's 32C/89F even in the north of Thailand. Wonder how that exponential curve tallies with the supposed protection of hot weather:

    https://neutron-assets.s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/img/corona/changes_in_cases_(5_day_avg)_caught_ex-china_-_by_season_where_caught-28022020114040.png

     

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:04pm

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    yagasjai

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    Article: Selenium Interferes with Virus Spikes Binding to Lung Cells

    I saw my functional medicine doctor today and she told me about an article she had come across (Lipinski 2015, Ebola and Selenium: How not to catch the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)) that talks about how selenium interferes with the spikes on the virus being able to bind to the lung cells. It is relevant in people being resistant to Ebola and to all other enveloped viruses (apparently including Covid-19.)

    Additionally, we went over a 2 page outline I had sent her of all the things I am thinking about regarding preparing myself medically for this pandemic. She and her staff put me at ease about wearing an N95 mask to the office, I felt self-conscious because no one else was! She approved me getting a 3 month supply of my medications. I got both the flu shot and pneumonia shot today. And I didn't ask her to elaborate on every point on my list, but I wanted her to have an idea of what I am thinking and see if she had any insights or whether I am on the right track.

    This is not medical advice, I'm not a doctor or nurse. She told me that she and her staff take Immunitone and Tegricel Colostrum (don't see the specific link on Amazon) to not catch the stuff they come in contact with at a primary care facility. Allithiamine boosts the efficiency of mitochondria in clearing free radicals. Argentyn 23 is a colloidal silver that doesn’t mess up your microbiome. And she gave me the info above on selenium. Thought this might be useful to others as well.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:11pm

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    nordicjack

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    Couple new Washington State cases - in the wild

    Community acquired infections are starting to appear. ( and the testing for this is nill ) Note: in the first two states were people were diagnosed.. Again, showing the long course the illness takes making it hard to trace. So, this is just about to blow up huge on the west coast. give it another week after that to hit chicago and midwest.. And then .. its a free for all. Time to prep is out.. this thing will be a mess in very short order.

    I stand corrected there is a third case now - oregon's first case. Again , association with a school, though an adult.
    This now looks like its active and doing well in west coast schools. It may be mild in children therefore dismissed until now. This is about to blow up big-time.. If this is all true - and things are really bad on the west coast .. just 30 days in and infected all the schools - we are big trouble sooner than later.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:26pm

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    Thumbs up Button?

    I saw a comment about the like button not working the other day. I can't see the couple posts I just "liked" in this thread. Historically, on this forum a post with many likes is usually worthy of one's attention.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:35pm

    nordicjack

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    RE thumbs button

    Noted same here. thought it could be browser crashed , was ready to dump cookies or use another one.. guess somethign wrong with a JS on the site.

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 10:52pm

    Snow Eater

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    flu test

    Can you ask to be tested for regular flu? If it comes out negative then you might be closer to the answer. Or if it turns out to be flu, you can feel relieved!

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:23pm

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    Nairobi

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    Same thing here

    There are a lot of posts I wanted to give a thumbs up about. Then noticed it's not working. Also I need a thumbs down button just for Desogames. Had enough of his selfish spamming antics. Good grief. Somebody lock him up.

    Maybe I can send a letter about it to Google. Lol

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:50pm

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    Desogames - Enough

    You need to move your copious and detailed descriptions of your situation to a separate/side thread

    This is NOT the place for  your sharing whether you have diarrhea or not.  Yes, you are interested, a lot of us are not.  And those that are can go to a side thread.

    TMI -  Granny

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 11:55pm

    Nairobi

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    Two thumbs up for you Granny.

    Nothing wrong with putting a little social pressure on someone who is misbehaving. Nothing at all. This is still a society even if we are spread all over the world.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 12:43am

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    Satoshi Nakamoto

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    Declaration of "Pandemic" has financial consequences

    I saw an article on Zerohedge a couple days ago having something to do with the effect of a true pandemic on the value or status of some financial bonds, and it got me thinking.  I've been wondering why the WHO has been so obviously dragging its feet on pretty much everything related to this, but in particular, why they've been so hesitant to actually declare a pandemic.  Other than the ZH article, I haven't seen anything specifically related to this, but I'm getting a strong feeling that the WHO is holding back on this because they know there will be substantial financial repercussions if and when they actually make that declaration - and they're getting heavily leaned on by the establishment to STFU, or at least to postpone such a declaration for as long as possible.

    I've already checked my own health insurance policy, which thankfully makes no comments about coverage limitations resulting from an epidemic or a pandemic, but it's my guess that a "Pandemic" is a very carefully legally defined event in lots of contracts (healthcare, financial, whatever), and a lot of folks stand to lose bigtime if and when it's actually declared.

    WHO: World Hope Organization.

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 2:19am

    Chris Martenson

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    Re: Thumbs Up Button

    I saw a comment about the like button not working the other day. I can’t see the couple posts I just “liked” in this thread. Historically, on this forum a post with many likes is usually worthy of one’s attention.

    Yep, it's still not working.  The IT team pushed some updates and this was one of a few things that broke.

    I'm applying pressure to get it fixed because I rely on the votes to read them temperature of the site and guide my browsing too.

    Hopefully it will be fixed soon.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 2:28am

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    Matties

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    Re : Hot or not

    Yes that is something what is bothering me too.

    SARS patients were starting to infect others when they had symptoms and SARS was less infectious with hot weather.

    It looks that this virus is different unfortunately.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 2:38am

    Jay Pine

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    Close contact

    Heat, Sun and humidity make catching this much harder but close proximity and air conditioning work against this. Cities and indoor mass gatherings will still be a problem.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 3:12am

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    Desogames

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    The dettol is gone

    I took that at 10:45 in the Albert Heijn in the inner city in Tilburg. The shelves you're looking at contain disinfectants. All the Dettol is gone. I asked the lady at the register. She said supplies in the magazine are gone already too. Toiletpaper's still on sale though.

    Again, no mouthguards on anybody. Rampant ignorance. We are not prepared.

    I also did a round of coffeeshops to get the last thing i needed (supply of drugs :D) and i talked to the guy in the shop about hashish, it was no longer on any special offers. I asked why and he said supply is "really tight in the hashish market right now, really tight".

    So it seems the supply chain disruptions have started as well.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 3:33am

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    if you don't test you can't trace and no one can litigate

    I had this thought-if we in the US don't test at the beginning of the outbreak contact tracing is impossible (too many potential sources once things get going).  This is a boon to deep pockets types who could get blamed for getting someone ill (like companies with one sick employee that infects many).   I know there were lawsuits after the H1N1 flu epidemic related to this issue.  A positive test result is evidence of infection and also ability to get others ill.  But maybe they just messed up the test. Not sure why we couldn't borrow/buy a few thousand from S Korea but that is another discussion.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 3:45am

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    CDC tests faulty, NYSDOH to begin testing soon

    NYC cases may increase when the state begins own testing.  Seems cases in NYS cannot be detected. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa-testing-idUSKCN20N00J

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 3:49am

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    Being Practical

    Hi Everyone, Newbie here. Nice to meet you.     I have a hallway with a nice radiator that I've never used. But now its on. I don't know how long the central heating in the apt. building will be running this year, but for now I'm putting my shoes on top and I hang my pants and coat on it when I come in before washing hands and face. I leave the bathroom door open on my way out and close the front door with my elbow on the way in. This has been easy enough to work everyday this week -- without me having to slap myself to get it going as I had to do in order to unlearn touching my face while outside. 🙂

    But TMI.  The reason I'm writing is to solicit feedback on the idea of (not quite) roasting my outer garments overnight and to see if there's a reason to think that it's not just silly.

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 4:01am

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    MichaLe said:

    3% h2o2 which is almost free in the usa costs 5eu per 250ml at the drugstore here. 1L 10% h2o2 costs 20eu for a small savings. but you need to dilute it so you don't hurt yourself using it as you would with some of the dangerous options mentioned here.  Meanwhile, sorry to hear about your supply chain issues grasshopper. Probably for the good of the forum though.

    all the best.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 4:04am

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    New name: "Fabian flu"

    COVID19 it looks like thr flu but it's not. Like the Fabian Society their original emblem was a shield with a wolf in sheep’s clothing holding a flag with the letters F.S. https://theweathereye.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/the-fabian-society/
    Just a thought. CCBW

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 4:07am

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    Called my friends

    Both my italian friend says the dettol's gone in her country (no suprise there) but my swedish friend, who works in a pharmacy, also says it's completely gone in her area.

    Also something just occurred to me. I'm happy to live in Europe atm. Even with this bum system that'll get overwhelmed soon....

    .....i do not wanna live in any country where anybody will just pull out a gun if they decide they need the supplies; whether that is true or not. You just know some of these people are going to shoot before discussing things.

    Sure in the collapse you need a >weapon< but a gun makes you a real threat at a distance. For everybody else who has a gun too. By all means, if you live in the US, you should get a gun with plenty of ammo NOW. But only for the reason that everybody who's likely to shoot you already has one.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 4:09am

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    We call it the Carnivorus virus at my house.

    Carniverous because it eats people.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 4:34am

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    centroid said:

    remember Australia is the 51 st state of the united states, we are suffering through the same opaqueness as the US. thank you chris for your practical , actionable and frank information

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 4:35am

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    Is Wall Street Behind The Delay In Declaring A Pandemic?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/wall-street-behind-delay-declaring-covid-19-outbreak-pandemic

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 4:48am

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    Seriously mixed messages on consumption

    So on the one hand “they” want us to keep going to work and school, keep socializing and patronizing sportsball, and most of all keep producing and <consuming>. On the other hand they don’t want us to go out and stock up on food, cleaning supplies, medications and disinfectants.

    Reminds me of my favorite magic trick: “Pick a card, any card...  oh no, not that card!”

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 4:49am

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    yagasjai, i'd be interested in you posing this question to your doctor

    Why were you given the flu vaccine in light of studies like this?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 5:33am

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    Sterilize masks

    I posted earlier on maybe using ozone. Well I’ve found small ozone generators on am Amazon. I think if you take an aquarium or even a cardboard box with a cover on it and ran a tube into it from the ozone generator you could get a high concentration of Ozone inside. From what I’ve read ozone is a hazardous gas but chlorine gas killed a lot of soldiers in world war1. Most cleaning products have warnings on them. So if you can put it where you don’t spend much time like it in the garage. Or maybe if you have a designated bathroom for sick family members put it in there and run it at night to help clean the room of virus, I know what happens if they need the room at night? Read more on ozone at: https://www.lenntech.com/library/ozone/drinking/ozone-applications-drinking-water.htm#ixzz6FLbsFf00 below is from that site.
    Ozone is a more effective disinfectant than chlorine, chloramines, and even chlorine dioxide. An ozone dose of 0,4 mg L-1 for 4 minutes is usually effective for pre-treated water (low NOM concentration) [39]. Several studies proved that ozone, unlike chlorine products, can deactivate resistant micro-organisms (see resistant microorganisms page). However, as ozone rapidly decomposes in water, its life-span in aqueous solutions is very short (less than one hour). Therefore ozone is less suitable for residual disinfection and can be used only in particular cases (mainly in short distribution systems). Chlorine and chlorine dioxide often replace ozone as a final disinfectant. For primary disinfection (prior to the bio filtration), ozone is very suitable. This will lead to a more complete disinfection and a lower disinfectant concentration.

    Just food for thought I ordered a generator last night. Also I have an old aquarium in the barn I'll put a piece of Plexiglas on it to contain the ozone and we're good to go, fashion a wire rack to hold the masks apart so the ozone can penetrate through the masks. Then maybe set them aside for a week like Criss said, just in case it didn’t kill them all but I think it will. Thanks CCBW

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 5:44am

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    time for some levity

    My son-in-law (ex military and definitely not PC) has taken to calling it the Kung Flu.  It's OK to smile... 🙂

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 6:28am

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    Is Wall Street behind the delay in declaring a pandemic?

    Yeah, that's the article I saw that I was referring to in my comment earlier in this thread.  After seeing your post, I went back and re-read the article carefully, and it looks like the existing bondholders are praying for time in order to dump these bonds on someone else before the WHO declares a pandemic.  The bonds are due and payable in July 2020, and I can't imagine the WHO would think of waiting that long before making such a declaration, so it's probably a matter of the bondholders trying to sell their holdings to some unsuspecting pension fund before the WHO actually does rediscover its true purpose in life and declares a pandemic.

    Half-Billion $ Pandemic Derivatives

    Here's another article on the same subject, in which the author (Martin Armstrong) suggests that the declaration of a pandemic, and the resulting loss of principal for these bonds (not to mention the associated derivatives), would destabilize the global financial system.  The total amount involved appears to be about half a billion dollars.  Is that really how fragile the global financial system is?  If so, then the WHO is worried about a lot more than just a pandemic.  But this is a position in which they should never have been allowed to put themselves: deciding between global health concerns and global financial concerns.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 6:40am

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    Sterilizing masks

    Is silver capable of killing the virus? A silver and citrus cleaning product makes that claim. I have written to the company asking specifically about the coronavirus. Any thoughts?

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:08am

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    We are on our own

    Nothing new here.  We have been on our own for years, if not our entire lives.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:11am

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    Blueberry said:

    Not to mention the fact that it may be very hard to contain such a virulent virus within the hospital itself, putting hundreds of sick patients at risk when meanwhile they were there in the first place for something totally unrelated.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:19am

    Satoshi Nakamoto

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    Levity?

    Sorry, that's not "levity", in any way, shape or form.  People are literally dying on the streets, and increasingly so - and you think this is an opportunity for levity?  Your comment is certainly not helpful or constructive.  It's the people who are the least prepared who will become the most desperate, and therefore the most dangerous to the rest of us who took the situation seriously and were actually somewhat prepared, at the point in time when the desire for "levity" finally evaporates from those who weren't.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:23am

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    Masks Being Stolen At Hospitals

    I spoke yesterday with my friend who is an MD specializing in contagious diseases.  He told me he was swamped yesterday, and was getting lots of calls from doctors and nurses asking what he knew about Covid-19.  The number one thing he was hearing from them - that face masks were mysteriously disappearing.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:34am

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    Figures from Chris' Last Video--Pre-pandemic planning form CDC

    Response Summary For Category 4 and 5:

    Source document:  https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/11425

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:35am

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    Kudos to the first responders

    I just wanted to give a heartfelt thank you to all the first responders (health care workers, police and firefighters, etc) who have no choice to self isolate but must continue on in the line of duty.  Our very own sand puppy (and I am sure other people here, sorry I can not give you a shout out too) is in this category.

    Let us all send them some positive energy and hold them and their families in our thoughts, and yes prayers, if that is something you practice.

    I am a skeptic about alot of whoowhoo stuff, but I have seen over the years those who feel loved and supported  (even in a more abstract way from people they have never met in real life) have better outcomes. I wish that for every first responder.

    Claire

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:51am

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    We Are Moving Into The Age of Consequence

    Consider -

    • The Corporate Oligarchs decimated manufacturing by offshoring jobs from the US to low wage countries
    • The Corporate Oligarchs off-shored our drug manufacturing
    • The Corporate Oligarchs mainstreamed financialization (debt) instead of jobs
    • The Corporate Oligarchs made good healthcare out of reach for many middle and low income Americans.
    • The Corporate Oligarchs have enslaved our children with debt for the want of education.
    • The Corporate Oligarchs have taken over all industries, (prisons, communications, water, food, transportation, etc) made them for profit.

    The motivation was and is profit and control. But now the consequences of these greedy and ill-conceived actions are being felt.  I suggest this is not just The Fourth Turning its also The Age of Consequence.  

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:58am

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    CDC Level5

    Ive been musing about the CDC Level 4/5 Pandemic graphs overnight.

    The Expectation of 1.8M deaths is really shocking and hard to even grasp as possible.   As I look towards the info on wuflu a month into this outbreak, the jump from 3K deaths worldwide to 1.8M just in the USA is hard to even fathom even as we are seeing the envisioned L5 scenario start to play out.  My mind cannot grasp a path for this to be accurate, and if I understand correctly, the 1.8 is a number to expect even with responsible tactics laid out to slow the spread.

    Unless the china numbers are off by an order of magnitude (or more), and with 1.xB people they should have 10M dead, and yet they seem to have really slowed the spread from what I can tell.  With only a few thousand deaths so far, its hard to bridge the gap to 10M deaths.

    I am super worried as I perceive that the US executive branch is not taking this seriously. So when this hits, it will be like the Wuhan outbreak simultaneously in most parts of the US at the same time.  No testing and no travel/gathering restrictions even with a month head start on getting ready to try and slow this epidemic?  This will be a shocking level of incompetence in hindsight.

    Best All!

     

     

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:01am

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    Not being PC...

    "Kung Flu" fine with me.  Everybody is so up tight and twisted about this shit.  I'm with you drbruce, lighten up and smile.

    There are more pressing things at hand to deal with.

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:03am

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    eeks

    Ok, window closing for sure. Trying to get my own home meds for just in case!! My doctors will not write Rx of antibiotics for my immune deficient child bc he doesnt think this is a big deal. Argh!

    PET MEDS--- I am considering buying pet meds to have just in case, she gets pneumonia with most every illness so I am very concerned for low supply or even open pharmacies at this point. Does anyone have a clue if pet meds are somewhat ok? I found some liquid clinda and I am sure there is amox, etc just wondering if I should even consider it. This is not my ideal situation, desperate mom stash.

    - alteranate masy suggestion, look into AC hi merv filters. I think if we buy alot of ac filters, cut fit, line exterior with muslin cotton (think baby blankets) these would be helpful if desperate for masks. BUt some elastic or just tie like a bandana around your face. Easy to wash the exterior and replace the AC filter lining. There are merv over 13 and higher. This is my other DIY.

    - I saw somewhere that military (militarytimes.com) I think is sourcing PPE for 5 years. Not sure if I should read into that too much, but I am now moving into preparation for wave 2. 🙁

    and yes, many rounds of applause for our front line medical staff!!! I am hoping this is not nearly as bad as it seems and magically disappears!!! (We can hope right lol!)

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:04am

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    Bonds again...hmmmm, where were a bunch of bonds cleared before via an emergency crisis?

    911

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:08am

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    Yes Les.

    Hundreds of millions still don't get that.

    By the number of gub related links posted here as gospel...well you get where I am coming from.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:15am

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    BillL said:

    Your points are well made.  It will be a slow return to our childhood communities if we are lucky.  Most of us will not see it.

    Everything that was stolen and taken from our communities by corps, gub, pols, etc. may never return.  Only time will tell.

    "my grandfather rode a camel...my father drove an expensive automobile, I flew in a G5, my son will ride a camel"

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:18am

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    Tom Sammy

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    This NYC man is “On his Own” no help from CDC

    Man returns from Tokyo Japan with all the symptoms, pleads for testing but they shut him down.  How many more people are there like this?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ny.com/amp/5974999

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:31am

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    Consider Vinegar as Disinfectant

    There have been a lot of comments recommending toxic disinfectants such as bleach be used. I thought it time to speak up. Given that Covid-19 attacks the lungs one should not be inhaling bleach fumes which is corrosive to the lungs. Vinegar, whether white, wine, or apple cider are safe and effective alternatives. When I ran a USDA slaughter and State poultry slaughter facilities a couple years back, we used a 5% vinegar solution for all our sanitation which allowed us to be certified organic processor. Just as effective as bleach but 100% safe.  I drink fruit infused vinegar every day in water or kombucha as a heath tonic. I have not had a single viral infection (cold or flu) since I started this 10 years ago. I even make my own Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV). Once a batch is going simply add more apple cider. I believe this also to be far more effective and less toxic than flu immunization as well.

    This is only advice from personal experience. I am not a doctor.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:35am

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    Levity

    Take it easy there Bitcoin

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:39am

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    Does Silver Kill Viruses?

    Yes: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2818642/

    So does Copper.  Medicine is working on using nano coatings of copper on instruments that are used in surgery etc.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:41am

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    Personal anecdotes

    My wife is flying today from Manchester, NH, through Detroit, and finally to Des Moines. She was the only person in the Manchester airport with a mask on, and one of a handful in Detroit where she’s currently waiting for her connection. She has to have unavoidable surgery in April and in a visit with one of the surgeons yesterday I referenced Wuhu Flu and asked how many of the consumables he will use on her procedure come from China and may not be available in April. He said he is watching the  Wuhu but he has no idea how much comes from China. He just places his order with the hospital and it magically appears on the date of the surgery, he implied. I hope my question causes him to think about that more because it obviously hadn’t occurred to him before I asked. 🤦‍♂️

    We are largely on our own to get prepared but one day a tipping point will be reached and we will be in danger of being trampled by all those other people on their own who wake up way too late.

    ”Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups.”

    😢





     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:45am

    KugsCheese

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    Re: This NYC man is “On his Own” no help from CDC

    That's our "healthcare" system in a nutshell.  Unless you are close to death and on a hospital bed you can not get help early for a disease even if you have leading indicator markers.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 9:26am

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    CDC Fixes Test & Varying symptoms

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85156

    Came across this interesting article on Friday with some good information:

    CDC officials said Friday that they had solved problems with COVID-19 coronavirus testing kits for state and local public health departments, which had plagued the agency over the last couple weeks: use only two components, and ignore the problematic one.

    As we've known for some time, it's clear that the US can not test for COVID-19 in many places at all. Here's the latest:

    Messonnier previously said 12 state and local public health departments have the ability to test for COVID-19 coronavirus. The agency's goal is that "every state and local health department" has that ability by the end of next week, she said.

    There still seems to be some hierarchical flow in terms of who gets to report numbers, see here:

    Ideally, this would allow states to report their own numbers of cases, though Messonnier said they are still working through "procedures ... with states and the FDA in terms of confirmatory testing."

    Here's their plan for now:

    While CDC works to get out these new testing kits, work on COVID-19 coronavirus surveillance continues. Messonnier noted that next week, the first six influenza surveillance sites should begin testing for COVID-19, with the hope to "rapidly move from six to all 50 states," she said.

    The article cited some interesting stats from the Chinese 1,100 patient cohort that the New England Journal of Medicine reported also on Friday (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032):

    They examined data from about 1,100 patients with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 in 552 hospitals in 30 Chinese provinces through Jan. 29. Patients' median age was 47, and 42% were women. Just under one-quarter had a preexisting condition, such as hypertension or COPD.

    Almost half that were admitted required mechanical ventilation (!):

    Overall, about 5% were admitted to the ICU, 2.3% required mechanical ventilation, and 1.4% died.

    Here are how things progressed for the patients and how they presented initially:

    Cough was the most common symptom, with over two-thirds presenting with cough upon admission. Interestingly, only about 40% presented with fever, though nearly all developed fever while hospitalized. The authors also noted that about 16% of patients developed "severe illness" after admission to the hospital.

    Here is some additional information about the patients studied:

    Over 80% of patients had lymphocytopenia present at admission, and most had elevated levels of C-reactive protein.

    Researchers reported a median incubation period of 4 days. While ground-glass opacity was the most common finding on chest CT imaging, they added that in 18% of non-severe cases, no radiographic or CT abnormality was found.

    Around 60% of patients received intravenous antibiotics, while about 35% received oseltamivir therapy. About 40% of patients required oxygen therapy.

    Patients stayed in the hospital for a median of 12 days, during which time most received a diagnosis of pneumonia.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 9:44am

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    MichaLe said:

    Replying to my own question about 'heat'.

    from: https://europepmc.org/article/med/14631830?javascript_support=no

    The results showed that SARS coronavirus in the testing condition could survive in serum, 1:20 diluted sputum and feces for at least 96 h, whereas it could remain alive in urine for at least 72 h with a low level of infectivity. The survival abilities on the surfaces of eight different materials and in water were quite comparable, revealing reduction of infectivity after 72 to 96 h exposure. Viruses stayed stable at 4 degrees C, at room temperature (20 degrees C) and at 37 degrees C for at least 2 h without remarkable change in the infectious ability in cells, but were converted to be non-infectious after 90-, 60- and 30-min exposure at 56 degrees C, at 67 degrees C and at 75 degrees C, respectively. Irradiation of UV for 60 min on the virus in culture medium resulted in the destruction of viral infectivity at an undetectable level.The survival ability of SARS coronavirus in human specimens and in environments seems to be relatively strong. Heating and UV irradiation can efficiently eliminate the viral infectivity.

    I think this means that: For my case, shoes, outer garments, masks, glasses, whatever, placed on a radiator overnight might be enough to eliminate infectivity without having to do anything but to get a good rest.

    Seems the article makes a case for a UV/sun-lamp in the bath-room, run via timer for a few hrs a day as well. If we have to stay inside, that might be a nice way to make some VitD and keep spirits up as well as insuring that I don't have to become a total neat freak over this.

    Your thoughts? anyone?

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:04am

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    MichaLe said:

    I think that's excellent advise because, lol, i do the vinegar thing also! 🙂  same results.  To add, I usually pickle onions in spices and balsamic vinegar for the fall and winter and just made another batch of (4kg, 3L, 6 jars, herbs, some pepper, some sugar) for the heck of it.

    Also someone earlier mentioned the coolness of basil. That is the main ingredient in pesto of course and pesto on garlic and buttered toast is an awesome eat for feeling like you have a health force field around you.

    Thanks for the reminder about that funky mushroom drink! Never could keep the cultures alive.. but now that I'm going to keep a radiator going, I'll try again!

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:08am

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    I Think I Love You

    Nailed It!

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:20am

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    Just a heads up o655.

    Many surgeons are "sub contractors."  Anesthesiologists as well.   I know this from personal experience.

    The hospital supplies everything.  The "subs" show up, pick the parts, supplies, etc. that they need and do the surgery.  Once the task accomplished and the "sub" is good with the outcome.  Adios.

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:25am

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    Prepping can be fun!

    Considering a still. Any home brewers out there?

    Methinks it might have value?

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:31am

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    Thomas Labs

    Thomas Labs (.com) sells fish antibiotics in a FDA approved facility.  I would find their products to be much more trustworthy than anything off Amazon.  If/when you order, you can request that they send you products with the longest expiration date they have in stock.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:45am

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    Washington state: First person in US dies from Covid-2019

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/person-in-washington-state-first-in-us-to-die-from-new-virus/ar-BB10zcXA?ocid=spartanntp

    Condolences to this person's family.

    The window to prep is getting smaller by the hour.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:47am

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    The surgeon general wants you to stop buying masks

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/us-retailers-warn-virus-mask-and-hand-sanitizer-shortages

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:50am

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    public vs private

    Armstrong talks about the collapse of confidence in public solutions vs private solutions.  I have a sneaky suspicion that the CDC (public) is funded better than Chris and Adam (private).  Shall we assign grades regarding the current pandemic to each?  Don't know what grade is below an F.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:13am

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    Live Now, Press Conference: Trump, CDC re: Covid-2019 death and mitigation

    https://youtu.be/9eUPcBnDM3w

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:25am

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    Does anyone know why they tested the teenager in Washington State?

    He didn't fit criteria, so I'm curious if anyone knows why he got tested? (Can you imagine testing all the teenagers with headache and chills? Lucky find, I understand, but it feels like we are missing some story here).

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:36am

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    "Leadership" statements not reassuring

     

    Oh, f**k, seriously not reassuring statements from our so-called "leaders".

    I missed part of the press conference, but so far, here's the rap:

    Low risk, continue to "go on with our lives", hoax/no hoax, we're doing a great job/CDC great people, only 22 (NN) cases, things improving--Starbucks reopening in China and great trade deals....  "Only" 20% or so serious and requiring hospitalization, mainly elderly and those with diabetes, obesity.... On and on.  Good 'ol American Exceptionalism should protect us (now if only the Fed would lower those interest rates!!!)

    We are truly on our own.  :-/

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:47am

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    chloecasey said:

    Did he really say "only 20% or so serious and requiring hospitalization"? If so, wow, I don't think that he knows what he admitted to! This the number that Chris (and many others) keep estimating and if true will completely overwhelm our medical system...unless of course we can substantially lower the bell curve which relies on draconian measures (which we all know will never happen in the US).

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:47am

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    WH, CDC Covid-2019 Press Conference 2/29/20

    Just concluded. In case you missed it, here is the link w/the press conference actually starting at -53 minutes.

    https://youtu.be/9eUPcBnDM3w

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:54am

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    re: Press Conference statement re: case severity and hospitization

    Hi chloecasy,  I was typing while listening, but I believe that was essentially what Dr. Faucci (spelled right?) stated. I'm listening to the press conference from the beginning and will try to get the exact quote and post it.  I do recall thinking the same thing:  Wow! Our health care systems will be completely overwhelmed!! Chris has been right on this from the start.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:55am

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    We're getting the leadership we voted for / deserve

    Sparky, this sounds exactly the same as the main points from the Wednesday briefing when Trump assigned Pence to be the scapegoat .... oops I mean point man.

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:59am

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    MichaLe said:

    Yes. Excellent Idea!  You don't want masks.. or grandstand people for having worn one once, you want RESPIRATORS.  No, not the gas-mask looking things, but the funky masks with the plastic bits in front.

    And you don't want to listen to adam's one mask a day lunacy either.  Having pickled a whole bunch of onions this afternoon, I dug out my plastic eye protection thingie and N95 'masks' and just finished chopping 4kg onions to make soup .. since I had altogether too many empty glass containers.

    Result: Eye-protection: Great! Never do onions without
    Respirator:  After 90mins... not so good. It gets wet even though the point of them is that they have a valve for exhaling.   It's now hanging above my hallway radiator.. along with my outside clothing.

    If I was driving someone somewhere, one would not do it. Even going to town, one wouldn't be enough. Thus a 5 pack, in rotation over a radiator so that the virus becomes deactivated, with 2..3 in use per day might work in our collective fantasy here.  At least my corner of it 🙂

    A mask, such as those shown on the CDC site
    https://youtu.be/lrvFrH_npQI?t=43

    is what you should not buy.  so, yeah! you got good advise!  go to https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/masks-and-n95-respirators  for a good write-up on the difference.

    Alright, back to my soup.  ... oh, and btw ... last night was the first time that i saw a report on panic buying in Germany. I called my retail friend and there hadn't been any in his store. But tonight, the discounter where I bought my unashamedly non-bio onions looked like it had gotten hit by a bomb. The cashiers looked worn out and said that, yes, they had had a lot more traffic than usual.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 12:03pm

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    Timeline

    It would be helpful for me if we had a visual timeline.  Our leadership continues to reinforce how many lives were saved when it was ordered to stop all flights with China.  Seems to me the USA wasn't the 1st country to stop flights.  Does anybody recall the dates for the progression of the virus within China and when countries started restricting flights?  Also, what date did we finally fly-out the Americans?  Regarding the Diamond Princess, what date did we finally fly-out the Americans?  Would be interesting to see the facts, pictorially.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 12:13pm

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    2 new cases in WA state

    It would be great, for anyone on this site with this skill set, to create a visually appealing, simple, timeline of this outbreak.

    So much data, it is tough to juggle it all in the mind now.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 12:19pm

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    MichaLe said:

    Of course there will be overwhelm, social distancing, draconian measures, and the heralding of the new order as first saturn, then pluto enter the sign of aquarius (that's a 3 year thing by the end of which you might still be reacting if you cling to what was). You know that the new age '(statistical) you as an idiot hippie' assented to way way back.  heck, we might even get a day-time visible comet later this year to really make that point. I mean, heck, for some people its just not enough to hear the footsteps of the horsemen.

    My point?  There are no mistakes.. one smart person above pointed out that its all about avoiding liability. add https://www.oftwominds.com/blogfeb20/healthcare-collapse2-20.html  point #3 and extend this to politics. So many Doctors are not there because its their calling. Neither politicians or figureheads. Lets be practical lest N.A. becomes n/a!

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 12:32pm

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    MichaLe said:

    I'm sure that someone will be happy to sell you one in short order, just wait a few more days while the persuaders are getting their excuses lined up. until then, how about working through Adam's videos?    there's also https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/videos  and https://www.youtube.com/user/MEDCRAMvideos/videos and several dozen leading international newspapers which are doing an admirable job recording details since January.  For the story since November there are fewer sources sharable in polite company.

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 12:53pm

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    Let us find out about Selenium

    In this blog yagasjai came with an interesting facebook page. Can we do a group effort to look at this ? It contained this :

     

    Lipinski 2015, Ebola and Selenium: How not to catch the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

    The only people that can be infected by the 2019-n Coronavirus have less than 98.7 µg/L of Selenium in plasma or serum. Those who have enough Selenium are immune to this and all other enveloped viruses. Selenium can be obtained from Brazil nuts, Selenium pills or Astragalus tea.
    This is why only some people get the flu and why others get it infrequently or never at all.
    We only found this out in 2015 when Lipinski @ Harvard figured out why some people were immune to Ebola, a fact well documented in medical archives.
    Two Brazil nuts a day will do it. An Asia astragalus tea is the primary source of selenium.

    2014 NYTimes: Many in West Africa May Be Immune to Ebola Virus http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/06/health/ebola-immunity.html
    2000 Gonzales: Ebola and Marburg virus antibody prevalence in selected populations of the Central African Republic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10717539
    2010-Becquart: High Prevalence of Both Humoral and Cellular Immunity to Zaire ebolavirus among Rural Populations in Gabon http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0009126
    2010-IRD: A surprisingly high proportion of the Gabonese population could have immunity against Ebola. Antibodies to the virus were found in 15.3% of rural communities http://en.ird.fr/the-media-centre/scientific-newssheets/337-possible-natural-immunity-to-ebola
    2016 Richardson: "The phenomenon of previously undetected, minimally symptomatic EBOV infection was evident around the discovery of the virus in 1976." http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0005087
    2015 BBC: "We've now seen several cases that don't have any symptoms at all, asymptomatic cases," https://www.bbc.com/news/health-31019097
    "29 Jan 2015 - Liberia: Harvard Scientist Lipinski Claims Selenium Can Treat Ebola" https://allafrica.com/stories/201501291709.html
    2015 Lipinski - Can Selenite Be An Ultimate Inhibitor Of Ebola And Other Viral Infections?
    “It is known that the virulence of Ebola and other RNA enveloped viruses involves in the first step their attachment to host cell membranes. Following this initial step the virus enters the target cell cytoplasm by forming hydrophobic spikes that make holes in the membrane lipid bilayer. Formation of such spikes is catalyzed by the reduced form of viral protein disulfide isomerase (PDIred) thus initiating chain of disulfide exchange reactions. Consequently, hydrophobic protein epitopes become exposed, which in the absence of proper chaperones form hydrophobic ‘spikes’ capable of penetrating the host cell membranes.
    In this communication evidence is discussed showing that the chain of disulfide exchange events can be inhibited by a small redox molecule – sodium selenite.
    It is suggested that this inexpensive and readily available food supplement can be an ultimate inhibitor of Ebola and other enveloped viral infections.”
    “other enveloped viral infections” - that’s pretty much all of them.
    http://www.journalrepository.org/media/journals/BJMMR_12/2014/Dec/Lipinski632014BJMMR14858.pdf
    2015 Stoffenell: "98.7 µg/L of Se in plasma or serum are required to optimize GPx activity" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4377864/
    2008 Thomson: Brazil nuts: an effective way to improve selenium status http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/87/2/379.full
    Dr. Damien Downing, former editor of the Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine, writes: "Swine flu, bird flu, and SARS, all developed in selenium-deficient China. When patients were given selenium, viral mutation rates dropped and immunity improved."
    Map of coronavirus deaths in China:
    https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/JH-coronavirus.jpg
    Maps of selenium deficient soil in China:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967180/bin/nutrients-06-01103-g001.jpg

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320292106/figure/fig8/AS:[email protected]/Water-soluble-selenium-content-in-soil-of-each-city-in-China-ug-kg.png?fbclid=IwAR2R4c17xqWpMeB1S8sss7YfybrBginyb3tzOnBy9E5YmTjGOSzbey9hTBY

    https://media.springernature.com/m685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fsrep20953/MediaObjects/41598_2016_Article_BFsrep20953_Fig1_HTML.jpg?fbclid=IwAR11D4Gngcm76IQ447uNZvHFvDgZyrRcMwBjSTwUGu8uAD6o99CH5n3YMmY
    https://www.mdpi.com/viruses/viruses-07-00333/article_deploy/html/images/viruses-07-00333-g001-1024.png?fbclid=IwAR0R5wf6KpTHBaOYVbbhiqOFKwB380ZgUXATOnHgzN0y8WEEpXNPx_yYdrY
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/MKDITWGEvOaey1kJU00I_1NzcQxYD-AtOCcfMZKOLlBIjgcO_g7rYavmNVflg8KJCkDwtLN3H64_n-GUAUe6IhKGAS1DY8wOl00w?fbclid=IwAR2mzPyxpJ7O__jjo_7XPmE-IFZjDtstnZkCefnbcu92iT7VcQ2_iTuo4jA
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael_Dermience/publication/265619914/figure/fig2/AS:[email protected]/Soil-selenium-deficiency-in-PR-China-Li-et-al-2009.png?fbclid=IwAR3AlBg5j8ORseUSfu2XPHEkZN-zsMx1WzsqIZbe1yCHYEcwgGbLPBMTcT4
    See also:

    The Changing Selenium Nutritional Status of Chinese Residents
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967180/

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 1:02pm

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    re: public vs private

    There's always F minus.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 1:08pm

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    Selenium and virussen

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keshan_disease

     

    Keshan disease is a congestive cardiomyopathy caused by a combination of dietary deficiency of selenium and the presence of a mutated strain of Coxsackievirus, named after Keshan County of Heilongjiang province, Northeast China, where symptoms were first noted. These symptoms were later found prevalent in a wide belt extending from northeast to southwest China, all due to selenium-deficient soil. The disease peaked in 1960–1970, claiming thousands of lives.[1][2]

    Often fatal, the disease afflicts children and women of child bearing age, characterized by heart failure and pulmonary edema. Over decades, supplementation with selenium reduced this affliction.[3]

    It had been linked to the coxsackie B virus. Current research suggests that the lack of selenium results in a more virulent strain of the coxsackievirus becoming the dominant viral species present in the population of virus, but the mechanism of this selection event is unclear.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coxsackievirus

     

    Coxsackieviruses are a few related enteroviruses that belong to the Picornaviridae family of nonenveloped, linear, positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses, as well as its genus Enterovirus, which also includes poliovirus and echovirus. Enteroviruses are among the most common and important human pathogens, and ordinarily its members are transmitted by the fecal-oral route. Coxsackieviruses share many characteristics with poliovirus. With control of poliovirus infections in much of the world, more attention has been focused on understanding the nonpolio enteroviruses such as coxsackievirus.

    Coxsackieviruses are among the leading causes of aseptic meningitis (the other usual suspects being echovirus and mumps virus).

    The entry of coxsackievirus into cells, especially endothelial cells, is mediated by Coxsackievirus and adenovirus receptor.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 2:16pm

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    Nursing Guidelines from AJT

    These are the nursing guidelines put out today in a blog of the American Journal of Nursing.

    It claims that many countries have the virus under control:

    COVID-19 transmission in China appears to have plateaued, and, while the virus has been detected in numerous other countries this week, several countries have also been successful in controlling the spread of COVID-19 within their borders

    It also cites the flu:

    How worried should I be?

    The WHO reports that as of February 28, there have been nearly 84,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 worldwide and fewer than 3,000 deaths. In contrast, the CDC estimates that from October 1, 2019, through February 22, 2020, in the U.S. alone, there have been at least 32 million cases of influenza and 18,000 flu deaths.

     

    https://ajnoffthecharts.com/covid-19-for-nurses-skip-the-rumors-and-stick-to-the-basics/

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 2:23pm

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    Does the virus spread via aerosol?

    At some point I decided it was certain that CoVid 19 spreads via aerosol as well as droplets but now I can't recall what the sources were that convinced me of that fact. What would any of you consider the best resources for determining how it spreads.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 2:35pm

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    Look at licorice root extract and colloidal silver for prevention and treatment !!!

    PHYTOTHERAPY RESEARCH
    Phytother. Res. 22, 141–148 (2008)
    Published online 20 September 2007 in Wiley InterScience
    (www.interscience.wiley.com) DOI: 10.1002/ptr.2295
    REVIEW ARTICLE
    Antiviral Effects of Glycyrrhiza species

    In vitro studies revealed antiviral
    activity against HIV-1, SARS related coronavirus, respiratory syncytial virus, arboviruses, vaccinia virus and
    vesicular stomatitis virus.

     

    Of all the
    compounds, glycyrrhizin was the most active in inhibiting
    replication of the SARS-associated virus. Our findings
    suggest that glycyrrhizin should be assessed for treatment of
    SARS.
    Lancet 2003; 361: 2045–46

     

    You can still buy licorice root extract at Piping Rock - (2) 2-oz bottles for just $14.

    https://www.pipingrock.com/licorice/licorice-root-liquid-extract-alcohol-free-2-fl-oz-59-ml-dropper-bottle-40769

     

    I also posted the following comment to the YouTube video today, but with ~ 7000 comments there, I'm sure most folks overlooked it.  Please copy and forward this as you see fit:

    Make your own viral-killing mask, and disinfectant. Make your own nano or colloidal silver for pennies, and spray it on your mask (or even on a towel wrapped around your face). I have been making colloidal silver at home for years. Colloidal silver will kill bacteria, viruses, and fungi, and they do not develop resistance. You can find "how to" videos online. Simply use PURE silver wire, or two silver Eagles or Maple Leafs (0.999 pure), as the electrodes, and suspend them with alligator clips in a quart jar of distilled water. Run a couple feet of copper wire from the alligator clips to another set of alligator clips connected to your power source. Three 9-volt batteries will work fine, for many batches before replacing the batteries. You can also use an AC plug-in cell phone charger, rated at 500 to 800 milli-amps (0.5 to 0.8 amps). DO NOT use 90% silver coins or any impure silver-containing materials! DO NOT let the alligator clips contact the water! or you can contaminate it with undesirable metals. Approx 2 hours running time should give you approx 10 ppm of silver (nano silver and silver ions). As the solution develops, there will be some electrolysis and you will see a "cloud" in the water, and a dark coating on the coins; if some of this falls off, simply strain the solution through a coffee filter when you are finished. Get a TDS (total dissolved solids) meter for about $15 from Amazon to check your product; it should read Zero for the distilled water when you start, and 10-12 ppm when you are finished making the nano silver solution. If you have a red laser pointer, you can shine it through the distilled water before you start, and you will not see anything in the water; the light will pass through without interruption. After your ~ 2-hour production time, when you shine the laser through the bottle, you will see a continuous bright red line through the water, which is the laser beam reflecting off of the invisible silver particles. You start with distilled water and pure silver coins, and you end up with a 10 ppm solution of nano or colloidal silver that will kill the bacteria and viruses that you want to destroy. Research the literature on silver ! I have been using this with no problems for years. I can add an ounce of 10 ppm silver solution to a half-gallon of milk, and it will not spoil. I spray my socks and sandals (and my hunting clothes), and they do not stink! That's why cheap $10 sandals stink, but the $100 sandals and sports shirts can be worn for weeks; the manufacturers add silver to the product to kill any bacteria. After the price collapse this week, you can probably buy two silver Eagles for $40 or less. Add some copper wire, four alligator clips, (3) 9-volt batteries, and a gallon of distilled water - and you are in business! With that setup, assuming you buy another ~ 800 gallons of distilled water and use a cheap AC converter energy source, your two silver Eagles can provide enough colloidal silver at 10 ppm (before they have totally disappeared) - that if you were to buy an equivalent volume of 10 ppm commercial product at your local health food store - it would cost you approx $320,000. That mark-up is YOUR SAVINGS. Punch the numbers and confirm the research yourself. This is something EVERYBODY should be aware of, and be ready to make and use. It can save your life. Colloidal silver can kill MRSA, Ebola, and certainly Corona. I have seen case studies of colloidal silver curing flesh-eating bacteria. You can use it internally &/or externally - for eye, ear, foot infections, cuts & scrapes, etc, for food poisoning, for mildew, for sanitizing surfaces, for treating river or pond water if you need something to drink. CHECK IT OUT - Please.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 2:46pm

    kayth

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    Re: Does the virus spread via aerosol?

    China NHC released this (its 6th edition) on 19 Feb:

    https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/diagnostic-and-treatment-plan-6/

    Source: http://www.gov.cn/zhengce/zhengceku/2020-02/19/content_5480948.htm

    Mostly translated apart from the section on TCM treatments

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 3:00pm

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    Desogames

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    I'm awake again

    Seems like the insomnia isn't much of an issue if i just sleep when the fatigue hits.

    Before anybody claims it's a flu: i slept more then 8 hours after a long day yesterday, i woke up around 7-8 today, did my normal routine, bought some remaining supplies, got hit by fatigue around 13:30, went to bed around 14:00, woke up around 22:00 after another 8 hours of sleep.

    My regular day? Smoke blunts while playing video games and watching videos/streams allllll day for 12 to 16 hour days. It's impossible for me to sleep 8 hours within 7 hours of sleeping 8 hours, minimum.

    Symptoms continue to be intermittent. I've had atleast 11 symptoms of Covid but they keep coming and going. Even when i was in the store i was fine and out of nowhere i start burning up. I made *very* sure not to cough in an enclosed space but regardless; if i have it, a few people have it more now.

    Another good example:
    [Admin -- the language used here to describe his gastrointestinal distress was unnecessarily graphic, so we've removed it. A warning to adhere to our site posting rules has been sent to the author.]

    My nose remains remarkably clear. I can hyperventilate using only my nose and not a speck of fluid gets blasted anywhere.

    The confusion is the worst part. Sometimes i do things which look absolutely normal to me but just seconds later; and bonkers. Currently it's down to spelling mistakes which i no longer catch but yesterday evening it was running a red light and ending up on the other side of the road while thinking everything was just fine, almost like a goddamn zombie.

     

    Until policy changes i have done all i can do and am going into self isolation now. I taped up the vents ages ago so even the rest of the building is safe. From me, that is.

    I have also calmed down now. Not because i ever was afraid i would die or even get seriously ill (even though it was pretty bad yesterday). I once walked around with a collapsed lung for 2+ months. I can't be killed.

    But because the rest of society refuses to consider/treat me like the walking bioweapon that i am. The reason i'm calm now? Because i've come to realise whatever i have/do no longer matters.

    The next person who has it, but DOES believe the policy, will just spread this thing all over the place. Regardless of what i do now.

    I urge again; if you have multiple symptoms of covid but they keep coming and going so you're consistently gaslighting yourself, get checked out if you can. Take all the precautions (mouth guard eye gear etc) incase you dont have it.

    This virus is a nasty one. It hides. Im sticking with the stealth virus name. Because those are the mild cases. The majority will never know they have this.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 3:26pm

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    Selenium - excellent find Matties

    I am adding Selenium supplementation to my anti-viral protocol - I bought Brazil nuts.  Plenty of data to say that you don't want to be at all deficient if and when you get exposed to this virus.

    Dietary Selenium in Adjuvant Therapy of Viral
    and Bacterial Infections1,2

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4288282/pdf/73.pdf

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 3:29pm

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    Regarding Desogames...

    I think he's just playing with us.  We are getting punked. This is senseless - I should have shut him off earlier;

    "This diarrhea smelled something foul too. I’ve had plenty of times to smell my own diseased shit and this was definitely the worst it’s been in a long long time."

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 5:15pm

    Grover

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    Colloidal Silver

    Nasby,

    I bought a colloidal silver generator many years ago. It works and produces 10 PPM solution automatically. It is a simple DC device with an internal regulator that reduces the voltage as the solution develops. If I were to make it manually, I'd pretty much follow the recommendations that you posted; however, I'd recommend getting Canadian Maple Leafs (99.99%) rather than American Eagles (99.9%) since the Maples are purer and cheaper. Two coins would be a life time supply. (You need one for each electrode.) Definitely keep the alligator clips out of the water!

    Doing it manually, a total dissolved solids (TDS) meter is critical! You need to know when it is finished. Distilled water doesn't conduct electricity very well. As the solution intensifies, it will conduct more easily and accelerate the process. Without the meter, you'll only be guessing at the concentration.

    Also, I've read that the best way to consume the colloidal silver is via inhalation using a mister or nebulizer. If you drink it, the acid in your stomach will convert it to silver chloride - which isn't as effective. Also, store it in glass bottles rather than plastic and keep it in the dark. It will leach chemicals in plastic over time. I reuse a gallon wine bottle with a screw top. One gallon lasts my wife and me for several years.

    This isn't to be used as a prophylactic. I only use this at the first signs of getting sick (1/4 to 1/2 oz (7-15 ml) morning and night) and I continue to use it until I feel well - normally a few days. I don't want to destroy the good microbiome that keeps me healthy during normal times. Afterwards, I eat yogurt and raw sauerkraut to help restore the gut bugs.

    Argyria, "blue man syndrome" is caused by using too much silver for too long. How much? How long? I don't know. A gallon (3.78 liters) of 10 PPM solution contains about 38 milligrams of silver. I don't consider that something to worry about. Just for a perspective, a Troy oz of silver is ~31,100 milligrams.

    Grover

    Edit: Since Covid-19 can incubate for days to weeks before showing symptoms, I'll probably inhale a 1/4 oz after coming home from a shopping trip or social gathering.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 5:17pm

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    Yeo Man 313

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    CDC GUIDLINE'S CAT5 NPI's SCRUBBED!

    Hey Chris! Got the original of your CDC pandemic interim guidline? The CDC link has been updated with a version that's scrubbed all cat5 NPI recommendations from the document!

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mitigation-sm.pdf

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 5:49pm

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    Elderberry brew

    @Chris,

    I'm struggling to find your recipe for that elderberry concoction. Can you post a link to it, please?

    I'd say that maybe 10 percent of the population is taking this seriously, and we're already seeing shortages. We have maybe a week left to prepare, I think. Many thanks to you and Adam for calling our attention this early.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 6:02pm

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    Love the info

    thanks all for sharing the silver, selenium and other tips! I’ve been finding some very interesting info about minerals in a nutrition book I have, specifically related to health issues with hiv/ lymphocytes and immune deficiencies (due to covid reducing cd4/cd8). A couple things I wanted to mention:

    - IL6: increases with age as it is hormone driven (estrogen and Testosterone) something that naturally decreases with age. Makes sense why this also effects our older population as well. High IL6 is associated with poor outcome in patients and I believe ARDS if I remember correctly.

    - copper deficiency: in researching chloroquine  phosphate (which has the current recommendation in China for covid19) it is copper sulfate and quinine salts. Much literature circles around copper deficiency and immune deficiencies In my book. Noteworthy, high dose vitamin zinc can deplete copper. Pumpkin seeds, nuts, chicken and avocado are a source of copper as well as other minerals. I added lots of seeds and nuts to our stash today. Thanks amazon!

    adding Brazil nuts for sure!

    thanks all!

    desogames, I’m amazed at your ability to recover and think so cognitively with intermittent fever symptoms. Not an easy task I’m sure.  I know you feel unwell but it sounds as though you have a fighting spirit and won’t give up. Drink lots of water, maybe even orange juice if you can. Hope you can get some rest. I believe MedCram on YouTube discussed how sleep can heal us. Wishing you’re health improved ASAP.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 6:03pm

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    Statement on Nursing home in Washington State with Coronavirus cases

    1 resident and 1 worker confirmed.  Facilities no longer allowing visitors....

    https://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2020/02/us-statement-from-life-care-center-of-kirkland-regarding-covid-19.html

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 6:11pm

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    I've taken no medicine specifically

    Just thought i'd add this here. Best to keep regular updates bout my condition anyway.

    Right now my right arm hurts even though i've done nothing in paticular with it. I'm still having hot flashes, my temperature quickly rising to a fever and then falling minutes or even less then a minute later back to normal. Chest continues to feel tight. I had trouble breathing earlyer, but that has since subsided. The main problem is the confusion - Sometimes my hands don't obey my commands and i have extreme trouble either writing words or pronouncing words - You know how you sometimes know a word but just don't manage to say it?

    Anyway. I realised i've no where put down what medicine i've taken: The day i got home on feb 10th after being exposed to the hygienist i took 2 ibuprofen 400grams immediately. I figured, if she had it better try and nuke it. Obviously that hasn't worked.

    I remember when i developed the dry cough, i again took 2 ibuprofen, just to be sure. That was 8 days after exposure.

    Since then i've taken absolutely nothing, not even a paracetamol, to track the disease as accurately as possible. Honestly - as long as i don't go through a cycle where multiple symptoms pop up at once i don't even need any medication. It's not comfertable sure but i'm doing just fine. The confusion is the most annoying as long as i stay home (VERY dangerous if i where to drive right now. Extremely dangerous).

    i *have* continued to smoke weed+damiana throughout all this, at a normal pace like i regulairly would, both to see what the effects are of smoking on this thing (because even though i know i have it, alot of smokers aren't even going to notice so its a good time to get data).

    Suprisingly, so far, i have detected NO discernible pattern between smoking and the symptoms. Sometimes the symptoms are worse during smoking. Sometimes after smoking. Sometimes in the middle of my normal buzz, sometimes just before i go smoke again.

    Obviously, if the chest burning and chest muscle aches are active while i smoke, it hurts a heck of a lot more - but not enough that i can't power through it. If those two symptoms are not active, AKA a light cycle where only 1 symptom is active (lets say my sore throat) then smoking feels >No Different< from any other time i smoked weed.

    Since weed is also an anesthetic (and you can't OD from it), i wanted to see how much it affects my measurement of symptoms. Keep in mind that i'm a habitual smoker (5 blunts a day every day) so my body is very "used" to the drug. If i smoke one of these blunts after having been clean for 6 months, i'd be bed spacing out for 4 hours, while on a daily basis i go smoke, eat, then play a video game while watching a youtube video or a live stream (and chatting in it) at the same time, needing another hit after 2 hours (if i didn't control myself).

    1 regular blunt does NOT affect the measurement of symptoms. I can still clearly feel the difference between when i'm stoned, coming down, or suffering from the headache and/or dizzyness at the same time. Again, this goes for habitual users only.

    2 regular blunts within 1 hour Barely affects the symptoms. There is some effect - but as long as i compensate for it i'm very much still capable of diagnosing accurately. As in - There is a distinct difference between the mellow feel of weed and the unpleasant uncontrollable dizzyness or foggy brain that the disease produces.

    3 regular blunts within 2 hours (effectively tripling my normal dose) DOES affect my ability to diagnose symptoms. I'm at that point still very much aware, cause my brain's a friggin boss. But - the anesthetic part of weed kicks in and, as long as i don't have the difficulty breathing, chest pains or burning lungs symptoms While smoking, i feel quite good for a few hours afterwards.

    But even after 3 blunts in a row, i still notice a few of the symptoms. One thing that stands out is the burning lungs: Before smoking, it's fine. During smoking, it's fine. After smoking it's fine. While making food in the kitchen after smoking it's fine. When i go to sit down behind the PC it's fine.

    After i've been sitting behind the PC for ~15 minutes.... my lungs start burning again...
    That also goes for other activities. Even when i don't smoke (i've had those periods too otherwise i can't compare with smoking regularly/alot) i notice that if i feel fine, and then go sit behind the PC for 15 minutes in the most relaxing way possible... my lungs start to burn again.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 6:21pm

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    Desogames

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    On symptoms; best way of tracking this thing

    I'll add this here as well. Because the BEST WAY we are going find this thing is NOT by looking at the symptoms.

    >Every single symptom i have<, all 11 of them, i can also explain away by other means.

    HOWEVER! Those other means DO NOT fit ALL the symptoms i do have!

    For example: Almost everybody says i just have the flu. BUT! i've *never* had a flu without a runny nose and as i've kept saying, my nose has been, and still is, remarkably clear and open. EVEN THOUGH it is ~3C outside and 20C inside, and i only smoke outside. So every 3-4 hours i go from 20C to 3C for 20 minutes then back to 20C. Yesterday i spent half a day riding my bike in the rain and damp weather. Not even a sniffle.

    The above does not line up with both the Flu and the Cold. So those two CANNOT be the case. Also - i can confirm i've NOT had any contact with any sick people (thanks to sheer paranoia) after the 10th of february; while i'm sure i wasn't fatigued before the 17th. In other words - that's a 7 day incubation time. That of the flu is 24 hours, of the cold is 3-5 days.

    The only other disease i can think of that burns my lungs and chest, without stuffing my nose, is Pneumonia. But - i actually got tested for that last night, and they found no evidence of pneumonia. My lungs sound clear according to the (now infected idiot) doctor. My finger prick anti-virals also came back extremely low. Obviously these idiots don't understand what they're saying but it's really weird, isn't it, that i'm clearly suffering from something but *any* value i have is extremely low?

    Deduction. That's the key. Sherlock Holmes Deduction.

    "If one eliminates the impossible, whatever is left, however improbably, must be the truth".

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 6:52pm

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    Sparky1

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    Chris' newest video: "The Last Day to Prepare (Mostly)" (2/29/20)

    The Last Day To Prepare (Mostly)

    https://youtu.be/QVQC1hAYZBs

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 6:56pm

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    MichaLe said:

    ”If one eliminates the impossible, whatever is left, however improbably, must be the truth”

    Unless your cognitive biases blind you to the relevant variables! Climate Science is a good example where, without making mistakes, hordes of people are drawing the wrong conclusions.   Consider abstaining from mind-altering drugs for a week before continuing your research!

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:25pm

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    Check here for the Elderberry Recipe

    I’m struggling to find your recipe for that elderberry concoction. Can you post a link to it, please?

    Nick, read this thread. The recipe and other good comments is compiled there

    Coronavirus: Medicinals, Herbals and Supplements Megathread

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 7:45pm

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    HEAT

    Hello

    I am also new.

    I read somewhere, in two articles and they were some form of academic report.  I can go into my search maybe and find them but from what I read, and please do see if you can verify this for good measure, but I did read that thirty minutes of 51 C (the other report said 58 C I recall) would kill the virus.

    To me I think your idea is really good.  It most certainly cannot hurt, it is easy and free, and non toxic.  You could check the temperature of the radiator surface to see.

    Nice to hear from you and good idea to share.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:11pm

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    ozone

    Ozone is damaging to electronics and electrical apparatus.  Be careful using ozone around anything electrical or electronic.  Even the generators are not protected from the ozone they generate.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 8:25pm

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    *sigh* The chart column was yanked

    Looks like they're going to go with option "C"...get a bunch of people killed.

    Wonder if they realize this is going to destroy the last shreds of faith. 4th turning indeed.

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 9:02pm

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    I can't keep up with all the news anymore.

    In the last few days the internet and mass media have suddenly been publishing a wearying amount of stories on the CoronaVirus. We went from a trickle to an avalanche.  It is just too much to absorb. Thankfully I found Chris's site early in January and got ahead of this curve (like many others out there who come to talk) and the necessary preparations and purchases have been completed.

    And then just like that bedlam broke out in a few supermarkets across the country as more people caught on that COVID19 has arrived and is indeed a very serious infectious disease that cannot be ignored anymore. I actually spent the day trying to tune it all out since the news feeds are getting to the stage of overwhelming as we arrived at the self evident portion of the show.

    But amidst all the noise there was a couple stories that caught my attention and one of them is quite serious. That was this mornings comments from the President where he stated that a closure of the Southern Border with Mexico is being considered. This is clearly the biggest story of the day in my opinion since the US relies upon Mexico for a very substantial portion of all its fruits and vegetables. It is even more of a concern for us Canadians who do not have any domestic supply of greens whatsoever during the winter months.

    It does not take much thinking to appreciate that the prices for fresh foods is going to sky rocket if that border is closed. But of course it is much more than that because next to China, Mexico is one of the largest providers to the US and Canada of auto parts, electronics, manufactured goods and well...pretty much anything you can name that does not already have a "Made in China" label. It is so much trade that during 2019 it exceeded 600 billion dollars.

    And that is probably not the worst of it. With China effectively shut down, Mexico possibly in the cross hairs and airlines, cargo, shipping and borders around the world being severely impacted then we might be mindful to consider the shortages that will develop that we never even considered yesterday.

    I went out and bought extra coffee and cocoa powder! We don't grow either of those things in Canada so it just seemed like a good idea. But deeper down I suddenly had the sense that should this virus impact North America as its done in China that maybe a little extra preparations are in line.

    Just in case.....

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 9:04pm

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    Jim, the eyes are the window of the soul

    I watched Desogames' video and his eyes and actions tell the story.  I think he is genuine about being autistic.  That's why I refrained from responding when he verbally attacked me and swore up and down at me.  It'd be like engaging a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest ... just not fair.  I not only think he's autistic but there are also signs of possible narcissistic personality disorder and another probable mental affliction (which will go unnamed).  That being said, I agree that it's best to ignore the poor fellow although his rambling raving and ranting is rather annoying and takes up considerable bandwidth.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 9:23pm

    Desogames

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    AND YKNOW WHAT

    Just because i don't have a social media presence (yet) because i HATE social media and i've had, up until this point, very little desire to speak out about anything, considering you normal people have already made me try and kill myself 6 times (That is not a joke), doesn't mean i haven't been warning whoever does care about me.

    imgur.com/a/K2FNCuC

    You can add the HTTP yourself so i dont mess up the layout more then i already have. Those are just the pinned messages. You think i write walls of text here? You should see my place.

     

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:09pm

    Desogames

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    Linus reccommending to buy parts





    Supply chain disruptions are starting to hit main stream news. The man does have 10 million subs on the new media afterall.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:20pm

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    Good News Saturday, Leap Day: Little Grasshoppers

    This interlude from the coronavirus cacophony is made possible by a caring and talented nurse, a loving Dad, and a swarm of little "grasshoppers":

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/a-maternity-nurse-knitted-grasshopper-hats-for-babies-to-celebrate-the-leap-year-and-theyre-adorable/ar-BB10x5ys?ocid=spartanntp

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:27pm

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    Deaths - Math of the Outbreak

    I've been trying to reconcile a number of difficult mathematical anomalies in the outbreak:

    1. inconsistent deaths in some countries
    2. under-reporting illness in most countries including not testing everyone
    3. CDC / WHO response (if CFR > 2.0% this response makes no sense)

    Like Ebola, I find fatalities to be the closest accurate measure of spread. Monitoring ill patients can be slow or delayed (or completely made up).  Furthermore, "serious/critical" is a subjective measure.  Considering the preference for no-checks going forward - reported deaths may become the only way to track the virus. On January 2, 2020 - there were 25-40 reported infections.  By January 10, 2020 there was 1 death.  Assuming a 0.5% CFR - this would mean there should have been about 200+ cases on January 2, 2020 (a week or so earlier). The Wuhan Fish market may have had several infected people attend on the same day.  This also supports a November 2019 start date (assuming a 4-day doubling period)  The WHO likely knows there were significantly more infected people than reported in early January - China certainly knew (and may be less concerned due to the lower CFR).

    To me, it seems reasonable that the CFR is probably closer to 0.5% and the cases are generally under-reported by a magnitude of 10x or more.  We can thus conclude the infection count from about a week ago based on the death count today.  So Korea with 17 deaths means 3,500+ people infected a week ago (at the current doubling rate that means 10-20,000 infected today).  This will also give us an idea of the current infection count using deaths:

    • infected count today =  total deaths / 0.05 x 2 x 2 [spread doubles every 4 days / kills in 8 days]

    Estimates based on the above assumptions:

    • US = 1/0.005 x 2 x 2 = 800 infections
    • China = 1/0.005 x 2 x 2 = 2.3m
      •  + 7,000 new cases per day [35 deaths / 0.005]
    • Korea = 17/.005 x 2 x 2 = 13,600
    • Iran = 43/.005 x 2 x 2 = 34,400
    • Italy = 29/.005 x 2 x 2 = 23,200

    These numbers seem more reasonable given the spread via travel from these countries (exported cases).  These numbers may still be too low due to asymptomatic cases.

    Something to think about.... this is my best explanations for variations seen between countries.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 10:39pm

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    EMERGENCY

    MY PULSE JUST DROPPED

    PERFUSION INDEX 0,6

    COULD NOT GET A READING ON MY LEFT HAND. CALLED AMBULANCE. GOING TO HOSPITAL SOON. COULD NOT BREATHE.

    I AM NOT JOKING

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:15pm

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    Food imports

    Most food imports are done by air, also I think that "Closing borders" refers to people, not goods.  Anyway it is prudent to increase personal stock levels, certainly for foods that are consumed anyway and zero interest on your savingsaccount...

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:36pm

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    Too many blunts?

    Maybe smoking fewer blunts and spending less time watching videos would help you feel better?

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:37pm

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    Closed means closed

    Most food imports are done by refrigerated trucks actually. Here in Canada its a pretty big industry since volumes are massive. If people cannot cross the border then that would probably include truckers and delivery guys. That is what closed borders are all about. In general there are no exceptions except for military, diplomats, government and emergency personal. Did you think that everyone would be locked out but drivers could just keep coming and going? That's not what is happening elsewhere in the world where borders are being closed.

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:42pm

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    Wonder why Covid 19 is so " perfect" ?

    Hmmm

    Ok my comments are not intended to be negative..but..

    Ok..im not a individual with any agenda beyond curiosity and that reason drives me to to ask this "odd" but important question..
    That being said:
    Covid 19 is almost too perfect a fit to humans in its current form to be a natural mutation of previously known corana virus' And even when its genome was 1st sequenced - researchers published info- stated 22% of its dna was not previously known in other similar virus models..a bit unsettling..
    What if it made the jump across the species through a perfect host substitute?
    A genetically modified animal being created as, a potential donor to humans..
    I had even thought not about a psuedo human as,accidental host ...and
    Of course ITS IN CHINA!
    Heres the link

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/eyeing-organs-human-transplants-companies-unveil-most-extensively-gene-edited-pigs-yet

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  • Sat, Feb 29, 2020 - 11:53pm

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    "The Age of Consequence"

    Hello Granny,

    Don't know if you know this or not, but there is a book with that title written by Courtney White.

    Linda

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 12:07am

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    Border tranports

    In Holland we have a huge farmer production, however I find many fresh vegetable as beans labeled "origin Senegal". That's West Africa... Airfreight is at this moment cheaper than by truck, amazing. Ofcourse a lot of food will be transported by truck also.

    Truck companies are used to work with many kind of border issues. They will drop the container at the border, import agents work on the paperwork, a US truck will take over from there... Profit will find its way, I assume.....

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 12:37am

    Sparky1

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    Well wishes during these difficult times

    Alexis, you said, "desogames, I’m amazed at your ability to recover and think so cognitively with intermittent fever symptoms. Not an easy task I’m sure. I know you feel unwell but it sounds as though you have a fighting spirit and won’t give up. Drink lots of water, maybe even orange juice if you can. Hope you can get some rest. I believe MedCram on YouTube discussed how sleep can heal us. Wishing you’re health improved ASAP."

    Alexis, your sound advice and kind words may be especially helpful to desogames during this difficult time.  I'll second your best wishes for his improved health.

    All the best to you and your family as well. 🙂

     

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 1:01am

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    FYI Current Status of Orange County MD Advisement runaround

    Costa Mesa - the city that filed suit - is in orange county.
    Doctors are told to go to the county web site.
    www.oc.ca.gov -- empty page.
    Must know to search for "Orange County Health Care Agency"

    What guidance does this county offer physicians, as of Feb 29th?
    This: http://www.ochealthinfo.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=110492

    Notice
    1) That flow chart does not include any pathway leading to anything with "test for COVID" in it
    2) Instead it points the physician to " Contact health department to report at-risk patients and their clinical status". At that juncture, the physician is referred to... guess where?
    Here: http://www.ochealthinfo.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=110492

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 1:09am

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    Can any of you check my 1918 stats?

    1918 Pandemic - Approximate Stats

    World.                  USA

    Population.        1.9 billion            103 million

    Infected             500 million            25 million

    Died.                  50 million.               775,000

    Inf rate.                25%                          25%

    Mort % of Inf.     10%                          3%

    of infected

     

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 2:36am

    Matties

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    Re : Alexis

    Fish Mox & Mox Forte (Amoxicillin)

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 2:43am

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    Re : Deaths - Math of the Outbreak

    I agree. Something is not adding up.

    But death rates can be different from country to country.

    China being vitamine D and Selenium deficient, poor living conditions and who knows this ACE2 thing can be hit much harder then elsewhere.

    In this PDF i think Jim H provided we read, for example :

     

    Supranutritional selenium promotes proliferation and favors differentiation
    of naive CD4-positive T lymphocytes toward T helper 1 cells, thus supporting the acute cellular immune response, whereas excessive activation
    of the immune system and ensuing host tissue damage are counteracted through directing macrophages toward the M2 phenotype.

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 4:40am

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    Well i'm stil lalive

    Well i've been to the emergency room and when i was screaming because my lungs where on fire, they told me i needed to calm down. When i told them calmly i didn't get air, that was because i was hyperventilating before. when i had been calmed for 30 minutes, and they gave me an oxazepam (diazepam), i saw a shrink, who advised me to seek help tomorrow for panic attacks and autism.

    I recieved no tests. No oxygen mask. No blood pressure gage. No oxygen saturation measurement (which fluctuates between 97% and 99% anyway).

    So here's what i'm going to do. I'm goin to stop posting here. I've had enough people tell me i'm exadurating. I want to be left alone now in the comfort of my own home. I coughed in plenty of places, so if there's a Covid outbreak in tilburg within ~14 days, think of me 🙂 If not. Well turns out i was overreacting all along! yay!.

    SO. Fuck you guys. Fuck the system. Fuck the world. You guys got what you wanted. I won't spam anymore. I won't post here for a week or two. If i'm going to go through this, i want it to be as alone as the world i came into.

    I just wanna leave you guys with the video i made before it was so bad i had to call the ambulance. Just so you guys know what hyperventilation looks like. Oh, as a final thought: Nobody in the hospital bothered to look at my sick diary, my blood pressure readings or photographs of WILDLY swinging pulse ox readings in hospital.

    nopulse

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 4:50am

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    RATE LIMITED

    fuck it i got rate limited on the forum because i was wresteling with cookies. Protections are WAY too tight. Anyway. That just means you people get an imgur thread here. I stopped caring.

    i took these readings when the psychiatrist was writing his report. Again, i did not recieve a single test and got no drugs other then oxazepam to calm down and 2 cups of water

    Wildly varying pulse ox meter results

    EDIT: I just remembered you fuckwits, just like all the doctors who i've met, don't even know what PI% is. I didn't either, but at least i know how to fucking google.

    https://www.amperordirect.com/pc/help-pulse-oximeter/z-what-is-pi.html there ya go.

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 6:25am

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    Latest video from Chris on Feb 29, 2020, "The Last Day To Prepare (Mostly)"

    This has probably already been posted here already somewhere, but I found a more recent video from Chris on YouTube,"The Last Day To Prepare (Mostly)", released Feb. 29, 2020.

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 10:05am

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    Case Fatality Ratio

    Chris the open letter to the Belgian minister states the basic CFR is 4.7 to 7, this is the number without any isolation measures; latest CFR given is 2.3% https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762130?guestAccessKey=bdcca6fa-a48c-4028-8406-7f3d04a3e932&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=022420

    Preprint Feb 26: CFR 0.8 in China ex Wuhan, Wuhan 5 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.26.20028076v1

     

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 3:44pm

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    when is a pandemic not a pandemic

    A pandemic is not a pandemic when there's a lot of money involved in NOT using the word "pandemic" - some crazy bonds tied to it...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-are-425-billion-reasons-why-who-refuses-call-covid-19-outbreak-pandemic

     

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  • Sun, Mar 01, 2020 - 4:02pm

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    Why does it have to be ignored

    Referring to DesoG....   Why cant the site, when we are being so obviously spammed, not just cut that account off as we do other spam accounts ?  Sure ignore would be easy if we had a way to chose members to ignore, but there is no way to do that.  Otherwise, when scrolling too often unwanted foul language and bodily descriptions end up on the screen

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  • Mon, Mar 02, 2020 - 3:22pm

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    Colloidal Silver use with a nebulizer

    I have been a user and maker of colloidal silver for 15 years with very good results.  It has been found to be most effective treating congestion and colds.  We have also experienced vastly reduced healing times when it has been applied to lacerations. With the onset of the flu immediate consumption of CS has resulted in good recovery times and sometimes an immediate cure. Today we purchased a nebulizer which apparently can be used even more effectively getting the CS directly to the lungs more efficiently. It would seem it may be a very good weapon to be used against CV. Find following an explanation of the process.

    https://colloidalsilver.com.au/NewFiles/Nebulizing%20CS.pdf

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  • Mon, Mar 02, 2020 - 3:40pm

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    Sprouting

    Just a heads up in regards to sprouting. We have never tried it before but I did buy  sprouting kits during the last global medical concern (SARS)

    I pulled those kits out today as we have concerns about food supply disruptions in the coming weeks or months. I recall a dental surgeon of mine from the past told me he lived on a diet of sprouts for many months and said he never felt better for it. I just wanted to bring this up as a possible option for those out there, like myself, who have no gardening options. Its a perfect way to supplement ones diet if vegetable supply experience disruptions. Its also very inexpensive and I was amazed with the assortment of sprouts one could choose from. What a fantastic option for many with limited resources!

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  • Mon, Mar 02, 2020 - 4:05pm

    locklimitdown

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    Forget about mortality rate, this is why you should be worried about coronavirus

    https://medium.com/@amwren/forget-about-the-death-rate-this-is-why-you-should-be-worried-about-the-coronavirus-890fbf9c4de6

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  • Mon, Mar 02, 2020 - 4:46pm

    Sparky1

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    WHO: Fear and panic more dangerous than Covid-2019

    This Dr. Ghebreyesus is either a moron or a criminal--maybe even both. The WHO, the WH, DHS, the CDC and their so-called "leaders" should be held accountable for their gross incompetence and criminal negligence regarding this pandemic.

    Coronavirus is a deadly threat — but fear and panic are more dangerous, global health chief says

    '“Stigma, to be honest, is more dangerous than the virus itself. Fear and panic are dangerous,” World Health Organization director Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. “It’s fine to be concerned and worried, but let’s calm down and do the right things.”'

    '“I think we have a common enemy,” said Tedros. “We have to stand together in unison to fight it, and these early signs are very encouraging.”'

    "Of the 62 countries affected by COVID-19, 55 have fewer than 100 cases. Only four countries have more than 1,000 cases, Tedros said."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-is-a-deadly-threat-—-but-fear-and-panic-are-more-dangerous-global-health-chief-says/ar-BB10EaAQ?ocid=spartanntp

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  • Mon, Mar 02, 2020 - 5:21pm

    Sparky1

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    SK: Drive-thru Covid-2019 testing, fast and free to all

    How drive-through testing could limit coronavirus contagion

    Free and available to anyone whether or not a resident. One drive-thru site can test more than 380 people per day. Process:  Stay in your car, complete a questionnaire, Dr. and nurses on site take temperature and secure nasal and throat samples, test results available in 2-3 days, limits exposure and potential for infection for all concerned.  (Note reporter's poor use of respirator. Good thing the health care workers are suited-up and taking appropriate precautions.)

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/03/02/coronavirus-outbreak-drive-through-testing-south-korea-watson-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

    So, tell me again why the US can't get their act together regarding coronavirus testing?? Oh right, American Exceptionalism! Not just embarrassing, but debilitating and deadly.

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  • Mon, Mar 02, 2020 - 7:20pm

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    Thank you

    I appreciate it, dtrammel.

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  • Sun, Mar 08, 2020 - 7:30am

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    So it seems are many of our local authorities.

    Sick and tired of so called authorities unwilling to share information so we can stay ahead of this!
    I have a brother with special needs whom I care for, and my husband has diabetes and Parkinson’s.
    They don’t have to give names, but for Pete’s sake; let us know where they are!

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  • Sun, Mar 08, 2020 - 7:39am

    Flygurlual

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    A logical question.

    It seems this is the best and quickest way to test and definitely minimizes the risk to HCW’s.
    We cannot afford to have them infected and to have people going into clinics or hospitals for testing just is exposing too many people to a potential risk. Wake up America and get it together! You have enough game plans you can copy from those countries who have put them in place.

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