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    We Are Pawns In A Bigger Game Than We Realize

    Understanding the coming 'Great Reset'
    by Chris Martenson

    Friday, October 30, 2020, 9:34 PM

“I had grasped the significance of the silence of the dog, for one true inference invariably suggests others…. Obviously the midnight visitor was someone whom the dog knew well.”

 ~ Sherlock Holmes – The Adventures of Silver Blaze

Is it possible to make sense out of nonsense?

So much these days is an incoherent mess.  It’s complete nonsense.

Page 1 excitedly beams about a glorious rebound in GDP.  Yay economic growth!

Page 2 worryingly notes the near complete failure of Siberian arctic ice to reform during October and that hurricane Zeta (so many storms this year we’re now into the Greek alphabet!) has made punishing landfall.

Each is a narrative. Each has its own inner logic.

But they simply do not have any external coherence to each other. It’s nonsensical to be excited about rising economic growth while also concerned that each new unit of growth takes the planet further past a critical red line.

These narratives are incompatible. So which one should we pick?

Well, in the end, reality always has the final say. As Guy McPherson states: Nature bats last.

So better we choose to follow the narrative that hews closest to what reality actually is, vs what we desperately want it to be.

‘They’ Don’t Care About Us

While issues like climate change and economic growth may be difficult to fully grasp and unravel, direct threats to our lives &/or livelihoods are much more concrete and something we can react to and resist.

Such immediate and direct threats are now fully in play and, once again, they’re accompanied by narratives that are completely at odds with each other.  I’m speaking of Covid and the ways in which our national and global managers are choosing to respond (or not).

It’s a truly incoherent mess about which both social media and the increasingly irrelevant media are working quite hard to misinform us.

The mainstream narrative about Covid-19, in the West, is this:

  • It’s a quite deadly and novel disease
  • There are no effective treatments
  • Sadly, no double-blind placebo controlled trials exist to support some of the wild claims out there about various off-patent, cheap and widely available supplements and drugs
  • Health authorities care about saving lives
  • They care so much, in fact, that along with politicians they’ve decided to entirely shut down economies
  • There’s a huge second wave rampaging across the US and Europe and there’s nothing we can do to limit it except shut down businesses and people’s ability to travel and gather
  • You need to fear this virus and its associated disease
  • All we can do is wait for a vaccine

The alternative narrative, one that I’ve uncovered after 9 months of almost daily research and reporting, is this:

  • It’s not an especially dangerous disease and it’s certainly not novel
  • There is a huge assortment of very effective, cheap and widely-available preventatives and treatments including (but not limited to)
    • Vitamin D
    • Ivermectin
    • Hydroxychloroquine
    • Zinc
    • Selenium
    • Famotidine (Pepcid)
    • Melatonin
  • Use of a combination of these mostly OTC supplements could reasonably be expected to drop the severity of illness and the already low mortality rate by 90% or (probably) more
  • Western health authorities have shown either zero interest in the results of studies mainly conducted in poorer nations on these combination therapies or…
  • They have actively run studies designed to fail so that these cheap, effective therapies could be dismissed or…
  • Set up proper studies but which started late, have immensely long study periods and most likely won’t be done before a vaccine is hastily rushed through development.

By the way – every single one of my assertions and claims is backed by links and supporting documentation from scientific and clinical trials and studies.  I am not conjecturing here; I am recounting the summary of ten months’ worth of inquiry.

The conclusion I draw from my narrative (vs. theirs) is that we can no longer assume that the public health or saving lives has anything to do with explaining or understanding the actions of these health “managers” (I cannot bring myself to use the word authorities).

After we eliminate the impossible – which is that somehow these massive, well-funded bodies have missed month after month of accumulating evidence in support of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D, NAC, zinc, selenium and doxycycline/azithromycin – what remains must be the truth.

As improbable as it seems, the only conclusion we’re left with is that the machinery of politics, money and corporate psychopathy is suppressing life saving treatments because these managers have other priorities besides public health and saving lives.

This is a terribly difficult conclusion, because it means suspending so much that we hold dear.  Things like the notion that people are basically good. The idea that the government generally means well. The thought that somehow when the chips are down and a crisis is afoot, good will emerge and triumph over evil.

I’m sorry to say, the exact opposite of all of that has emerged as true.

Medical doctors in the UK NHS system purposely used toxic doses of hydroxychloroquine far too late in the disease cycle to be of any help simply to ‘make a point’ about hydroxychloroquine.  They rather desperately wanted that drug to fail, so they made it fail.

After deliberately setting their trial up for failure, they concluded: “Hydroxychloroquine doesn’t help, and it even makes things worse.”

Note that in order to be able to make this claim, they had to be willing to cause harm — even to let people die.  What kind of health official does that?

Not one who actually has compassion, a heart, or functioning level of sympathy.  It’s an awful conclusion but it’s what remains after we eliminate the impossible.

Getting Past The Emotional Toll

Science has proven that cheap, safe and significantly protective compounds exist to limit both Covid-related death and disease severity.

Yet all of the main so-called health authorities in the major western countries are nearly completely ignoring, if not outright banning, these safe, cheap and effective compounds.

This is crazy-making for independent observers like me (and you) because the data is so clear. It’s irrefutable at this point.  These medicines and treatments not only work, but work really, really well.

However most people will be unable to absorb the data, let alone move beyond it to wrestle with the implications.  Why? Because such data is belief-shattering.  Absorbing this information is not an intellectual process; it’s an emotional one.

I don’t know why human nature decided to invest so much in developing a tight wall around the belief systems that control our actions and thoughts. But it has.

I’m sure there was some powerful evolutionary advantage. One that’s now being hijacked daily by social media AI programs to nudge us in desired directions. One that’s being leveraged by shabby politicians, hucksters, fake gurus, and con men to steer advantage away from the populace and towards themselves.

The neural wiring of beliefs is what it is. We have to recognize that and move on.

Some people will be much faster in their adjustment process than others.  (Notably, the Peak Prosperity tribe is populated with many fast-adjusters, which is unsurprising given the topics we cover…tough topics tend to attract fast adjusters and repel the rest)

To move past the deeply troubling information laid out before us requires us to be willing to endure a bit of turbulence.  It’s the only way.

For you to navigate these troubling times safely and successfully, you’ll need to see as clearly as possible the true nature of the game actually being played.  To see what the rules really are – not what you’ve been told they are, or what you wish or hope they are.

The Manipulation Underway

The data above strongly supports the conclusion that our national health managers don’t actually care about public health generally or your health specifically.

If indeed true, then the beliefs preventing most people from accepting this likely include:

  • Wanting to believe that people are good (a biggie for most people)
  • Trust and faith in the medical system (really big)
  • Faith in authority (ginormous)

There are many other operative belief systems I could also list. But this is sufficient to get the ball rolling.

Picking just one, how hard would it be for someone to let go of, say, trust in the medical system?

That would be pretty hard in most cases.

First not trusting the medical system might mean having to wonder if a loved one might have died unnecessarily while being treated.  Or realizing that you’re now going to have to research the living daylights out of every medical decision before agreeing to it.  Or worrying that your medications might be more harmful to you over the long haul than helpful (which is true in many more cases than most appreciate).  It might mean having your personal heroes dinged by suspicion — perhaps even your father or mother who worked in the medical profession.  It would definitely require a complete reorientation away from being able to trust anything you read in a newspaper, or see on TV, about new pharmaceutical “breakthroughs”.

Trust, which is safe and warm and comforting, then turns into skepticism; which is lonelier and insists upon active mental involvement.

But, as always, hard work comes with benefits — with a healthy level of skepticism and involvement, the families of those recruited into the deadly UK RECOVERY trial could have looked at the proposed doses of HCQ (2,400 mg on day one! Toxic!) and said, “Not now, not ever!” and maybe have saved the life of their loved one.

Look at that tangled mess of undesirables that comes with unpacking that one belief: regret, uncertainty, shame, doubt, fallen idols, and vastly more additional effort. Are all up for grabs when we decide to look carefully at the actions of our national health managers during Covid.

Which is why most people simply choose not to look.  It’s too hard.

I get it. I have a lot of compassion for why people choose not to go down that path.  It can get unpleasant in a hurry.

But, just like choosing to ignore a nagging chest pain, turning away in denial has its own consequences.

The Coming ‘Great Reset’

My coverage of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus) and Covid-19 (the associated disease) has led me to uncover some things that have made me deeply uncomfortable about our global and national ‘managers’.  Shameful things, really.  Scary things in their implications for what we might reasonably expect (or not expect, more accurately) from the future.

Once we get past the shock of seeing just how patently corrupt they’ve been, we have to ask both What’s next? and What should I do?

After all, you live in a system whose managers either are too dumb to understand the Vitamin D data (very unlikely) or have decided that they’d rather not promote it to the general populace for some reason.  It’s a ridiculously safe vitamin with almost zero downside and virtually unlimited upside.

Either they’re colossally dumb, or this is a calculated decision.  They’re not dumb.  So we have to ask: What’s the calculation being performed here?  It’s not public safety. It’s not your personal health. So… What is it?

This is our line of questioning and observation. It’s like the short story by Arthur Conan Doyle in Silver Blaze that many of us informally know as “the case of the dog that didn’t bark”.  As the story goes, because of a missing clue – a dog who remained silent as a murder was committed – this conclusion could be drawn: the dog was already familiar with the killer!

The silence around Vitamin D alone is extremely telling. It is the pharmacological dog that did not bark.

One true inference suggests others.  Here, too, we can deduce from the near total silence around Vitamin D that the health managers would prefer not to talk about it. They don’t want people to know. That much is painfully clear.

Such lack of promotion (let alone appropriate study) of safe, effective treatments is a thread that, if tugged, can unravel the whole rug.  The silence tells us everything we need to know.

Do they want people to suffer and die?  I don’t know. My belief systems certainly hope not. Perhaps the death and suffering are merely collateral damage as they pursue a different goal — money, power, politics?  Simply the depressing result of a contentious election year?  More than that?

We’ve now reached the jumping off point where we may well find out just how far down the rabbit hole goes.

A massive grab for tighter control over the global populace is now being fast-tracked at the highest levels. Have you heard of the Great Reset yet?

If not, you soon will.

In Part 2: The Coming ‘Great Reset’ we lay out everything we know so far about the multinational proposal to transform nearly every aspect of global industry, commerce, trade, and social structure.

If you read on, be ready and willing to let go of cherished beliefs and to suspend what you know to be true. Because none of us has that in hand.  It’s going to be a wild ride from here.

Something very big is afoot and I suspect that Covid-19 is merely an excuse providing cover for a much bigger power grab over the world’s wealth and peoples.

Click here to read Part 2 of this report (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access).

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 2:43am

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    David McKenney

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    The Great Reset Plan

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 4:45am

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    marmun

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    "Is it possible to make sense out of nonsense?"

    Asks the man who did more than most to promote that same nonsense and fear-mongering at the outset about something that has proven to be (and has always been known by many to be) no more dangerous than a bad flu.

    • "It’s not an especially dangerous disease and it’s certainly not novel"

    But in May....

    "I'm here with a really important message about the coronavirus," Chris Martenson, one of the founders of the financial website Peak Prosperity, said at the beginning of a video entitled "Coronavirus Is Worse Than You've Been Told: Scientist Explains."

    "Unfortunately if you've been reading the news you've either been under-informed or misinformed about what this virus really is. It's a very serious thing," he continues. "

    "These narratives are incompatible. So which one should we pick?"

    Indeed.  Shame on you.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 5:00am

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    VTGothic

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    Help stop "the most dangerous disease in the world"!

     

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 5:11am

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    VeganDB12

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    China

    Thank you Chris, an excellent, thoughtful piece.   I appreciate the use of "health authority" rather than doctors to describe the rot in the system. It was the PhD's, MD's, RN's etc...who did the good research on treatments and published it as well. Individuals in the medical system of all stripes (including 2-3 letter degrees) have been commodified and subjugated more than people seem to understand.  My own docs are recommending vitamin D and C.  They aren't allowed to use the drug that dare not speak its name.

     

    I think we have arrived at centralized control through monopolies in many of these systems; certainly in healthcare.  I think your open discussion of the virus and change of opinion about its impact truly comes from a place of integrity and honesty.  I hope at some point you will have further insights about China's role in this process of reset, since the outbreak started there and  interpretations of the early data on Covid may have been impacted by their overwhelming response to it.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 5:40am

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    UK - NHS recommendations for home care

    The NHS home treatment guidelines, summarized: "rest, water, ibuprofen, and a teaspoon of honey if you have a cough."

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/how-to-treat-symptoms-at-home/

    It used to be said that, "The sun never sets on the British Empire." Now, after 9 months of study on this virus, all the former Empire can offer its captive citizens is: "ibuprofen and a teaspoon of honey." And water.

    This is an argument against government-run healthcare that I never thought of before. If the sociopaths get put in charge, they can kill a whole lot of people really efficiently - by denying them cheap treatments that work.

    Or simply by not telling them about it at all.

    This didn't happen by accident.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 5:57am

    VTGothic

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    Nonsense

    @marmun

    IMO, your accusation is nonsense. I know lots of people who were just as certain at the outset as you claim you were, but I have always held that certainty suspect. In each case I inquired into at the time I did not find persons who had reason and evidence to support their convictions that Covid was not highly serious; what I uncovered was cynical distrust of authorities as the foundation of their tightly held beliefs. But that's far from rational. While a priori cynicism and distrust can lead to truth, it does not always do so and is not, itself, evidence. Much less is it confirmatory of anything. In the handful of cases I inquired into it wasn't even particularly rational.

    That's why I find it totally meaningless that the cynical anti-authority partisans turned out to be far more correct than wrong. That they are is not evidence that they cultivated a better set of facts and possessed a more thorough understanding of science; rather, it is merely coincidental that the emergent facts roughly aligned with their untested but passionately embraced (usually political partisan-aligned) prejudice.

    Being, in hindsight, coincidentally correct might feel good, but it is not a useful justification for their prior fact-agnostic rejection of the possibilities, nor does it explain away their off-handed dismissals of the value of examining the evidence as it emerged, and the drawing of provisional best practices from exploring the murky real-time developments.

    It certainly doesn't show evidence of a clearer mental process. When seeking truth is reduced to championing one or another highly-charged political agenda and its attached worldview, humanity in general and reason in particular are the longer-term casualties.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 6:07am

    Chris Martenson

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    Retail Level Thinking

    Asks the man who did more than most to promote that same nonsense and fear-mongering at the outset about something that has proven to be (and has always been known by many to be) no more dangerous than a bad flu.

    • "It’s not an especially dangerous disease and it’s certainly not novel"

    But in May....

    "I'm here with a really important message about the coronavirus," Chris Martenson, one of the founders of the financial website Peak Prosperity, said at the beginning of a video entitled "Coronavirus Is Worse Than You've Been Told: Scientist Explains."

    "Unfortunately if you've been reading the news you've either been under-informed or misinformed about what this virus really is. It's a very serious thing," he continues. "

    "These narratives are incompatible. So which one should we pick?"

    Indeed.  Shame on you.

    LOL

    It was a very serious thing back in May.  State of the art was putting people on ventilators back then with a >50% lethality rate.

    We didn't know about ivermectin back then.  Now we do.

    As the facts change, I change.  What do you do?

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 6:39am

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    Putting your trust in anti-scientists

    I find it interesting that people in these comments are putting their trust in just any old youtube star to define their realities. For example, I have seen many people linking to AwakenWithJP's videos that are sceptical about covid, this man as no scientific qualifications, he is a "holistic life coach" and a fucking comedian [sic] and people are making life decisions based on his opinion. Thank about that for a second!!

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 6:43am

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    Nothing new under the sun

    These are the same people who refuse to tell us how bad the Western Diet is.

    Covid-19 has killed roughly 1.2 million people.  Over the same period of time, the Western Diet has resulted in roughly 10.9 million deaths.  Further, the comorbidities that increase the lethality of Covid-19 are all chronic conditions correlated to poor diet.

    Put as simply as possible, the industries who have a vested interest in keeping you eating what you are now eating have vastly deeper pockets than Phillip Morris ever had.

    This is also part of what is destroying the health of our planet:

    https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/default/files/docs/hsus-report-agriculture-global-warming-and-climate-change.pdf

    Finally, imagine what our economies would look like if 75% of our health care costs suddenly went away?  In the US, that amounts to 2 trillion dollars per year.

     

     

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 7:09am

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    smah said:

    I concur with sonicsam, I would not rely on treatments by anti-scientists, but on treatments  scientifically proven through clinical trials. Nowadays I skip watching Chris’s videos after reading the blog narrative, too many alternative facts.  Relying on supplements which are often of suspect quality is concerning also. And I see LesPhelps has commented on the govt recommended diets being harmful, so why believe scientists.  The govt scientists do know what the proper diet is based on the current scientific knowledge, however how it comes out as USDA food pyramid is influenced by stake holders i.e.  agricultural industries; it is a political process, science be damned, mostly.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 7:10am

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    oh look some flak

    I was wondering what sort of flak you'd get.  We got "two brand-new unhappy members" within hours of your post.  To me, this says: "over target."

    EDIT: make that 3...3 out of 11 posts!  You really poked the beehive with this one.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 7:28am

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    not anti-science at all

    https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/pharmacy/8-drugs-trump-has-been-given-for-his-covid-19-treatment.htmlThere are good studies on the supplements/OTC meds Chris recommends; the president took a few of them when he got Covid-including vitamin D and zinc.

    DrBeen.com has excellent videos on this research and Peak Prosperity has consistently cited its sources as well.   I think JP Sears is a smart, articulate man who is worried about infringement on basic human freedoms.  Sometimes that point gets lost in his videos on Covid but that is my interpretation of his message.   The video in this thread makes his point well albeit sarcastically.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 7:46am

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    Constructive (AND) criticism vs. divisive (OR) criticism

    @marmun
    Asks the man who did more than most to promote that same nonsense and fear-mongering at the outset about something that has proven to be (and has always been known by many to be) no more dangerous than a bad flu.

    "It’s not an especially dangerous disease and it’s certainly not novel"

    But in May....

    "I'm here with a really important message about the coronavirus," Chris Martenson, one of the founders of the financial website Peak Prosperity, said at the beginning of a video entitled "Coronavirus Is Worse Than You've Been Told: Scientist Explains."

    "Unfortunately if you've been reading the news you've either been under-informed or misinformed about what this virus really is. It's a very serious thing," he continues. "

    "These narratives are incompatible. So which one should we pick?"

    Indeed. Shame on you.

    Chris is a perfect example of someone who didn't know much about health topics like vitamin D or the corruption of Big Pharma, but has learned along the way and upgraded his perspective upon analysis of new data/info. My first post on this forum in mid-May asked "Chris, is the virus itself really the problem? Or is agendas?"

    I even provided some metaphysics:

    The problem isn’t SARS-CoV-2 anymore, it’s the lies about health such as not informing appropriately about vitamin D, zinc, HCQ, vitamin C… as you inform about in the very same slide! While initially the nature of the threat may have been unclear, the virus is now being used as a cover for other agendas which are protected by those lies.

    If you’re afraid of it, you’re still buying into a certain level of fear, yet I think you haven’t explained why you think if we actually use what works that you’d be one of the symptomatic ones. In other words, what makes you think you’d notice any symptoms if you got it, much less experience long-lasting damage, when you are already taking the nutrients that will make your immune system competent?
    [...]
    So I don’t see why you would continue giving credence to the lockdown methodology when it’s clear that only tyrants are persisting in keeping the economy shut down and people under house arrest in the name of fighting the virus (while ignoring far more effective and logical methods as outlined above)… You seem to think the priorities of NZ were different than the UK because Jacinda Ardern is concerned for Kiwis’ health, rather than her being a tyrannical globalist puppet like so many others. The lack of conspiracy research shows. What’s more concerning though is the low degree of concern for freedom and individual rights and responsibilities caused by this lack of awareness of the control system and its agendas. Many of our “leaders” displaying incompetence are far more forgivable than our “leaders” who are simply following the orders of the agenda. Is the best leader the one who “saves” the most lives, or the one who takes away the least amount of freedom?

    Which one has longer-term effects? How many people will die or experience great hardship due to the measures taken by the globalist health mafia [“The Global Health Mafia Protection Racket” – must watch!] and puppet governments, using extremely harmful unproven methods while giving out false advice and threatening to force shady vaccine inoculations (in my country even threatening to kidnap and put asymptomatics in concentration camps)?

    I could go into the nature of death and how we are conditioned to fear it instead of embracing it as what we always used to know it is (and many cultures still do): the end of a cycle, the reentrance into the more primordial aspects of self or spirit realm or parent phase space, or 6th/7th density, whatever you wanna call it. Not to side with the agenda that several criminal governments have to use the coronavirus to get rid of as many old people as possible to help balance their budgets and create high levels of fear to advance control agendas, but it’s likely true that most of them would’ve likely preferred to have died of some fast-acting respiratory disease than a number of other diseases that are likely to hit you if you haven’t taken control of your own health into your own hands by that late age. For many being socially isolated away from their family for long periods or even their last days/weeks is also a pretty big downgrade, not an upgrade or a helpful gesture. If we were smart, we would welcome death, not fight it by any means possible at any cost.

    In one of your recent videos you said: “Whether by commission, omission or plain old ignorance, our media is failing us — it’s not probing as critically and deeply as it should to ensure the information it brings us is valid.” – Yeah, welcome to… the 1990’s? By now if you haven’t been observing the MSM to be deeply criminal you just haven’t been paying attention (to the right sources of information). If you’re a researcher, you’re a “conspiracy theorist”, and you should welcome the label given who uses it and where it comes from; while if you’re an MSM-created NPC official narrative believer, you’re buying into all sorts of absurdly false and kooky “conspiracy theories” like the “Russian collusion” hoax while being unaware of everything that’s really going on.

    So is the virus still the biggest problem? Or is the virus threat being overshadowed by the real issues (corporate legacy media corruption, government corruption, global health mafia corruption, information warfare, preventing Trump from winning the election, implementing a world government…)?

    Thanks for reading, kudos for the great work you’ve been doing. ??

    Notice how at the end, after the criticism, I acknowledged the good work he had been doing? I didn't say "Shame on you" for disagreeing with me or not knowing what I know, I said keep up the good work that you're doing that will lead you to the truths I've described, just as I was led there.

    Start thinking more holistically: as Bashar says, it's usually "this AND that", not "this OR that". And how are you and Chris not in the same boat?

     

    @sonicsam and @smah, let me turn that around on you:

    @sonicsam
    I find it interesting that people in these comments are putting their trust in just any old youtube star to define their realities. For example, I have seen many people linking to AwakenWithJP's videos that are sceptical about covid, this man as no scientific qualifications, he is a "holistic life coach" and a fucking comedian [sic] and people are making life decisions based on his opinion. Thank about that for a second!!

    I find it interesting that people in these comments are putting their trust in just any old corrupt Big Pharma-controlled government to define their realities. For example, I have seen many people linking to mainstream/corporate/pharma/NPC videos that are unskeptical about covid, who have scientific qualifications but fully and completely buy everything they're told, yet they are thoroughly discredited to their eternal shame and people are making life decisions based on their NPC opinion that is identical to that of every other NPC. Thank about that for a second!!

    @smah
    I concur with sonicsam, I would not rely on treatments by anti-scientists, but on treatments scientifically proven through clinical trials. Nowadays I skip watching Chris’s videos after reading the blog narrative, too many alternative facts. Relying on supplements which are often of suspect quality is concerning also. And I see LesPhelps has commented on the govt recommended diets being harmful, so why believe scientists. The govt scientists do know what the proper diet is based on the current scientific knowledge, however how it comes out as USDA food pyramid is influenced by stake holders i.e. agricultural industries; it is a political process, science be damned, mostly.

    I concur with independent researchers, I would not rely on treatments by establishment scientists, but on treatments scientifically proven through clinical trials and vast anecdotal evidence. Nowadays I skip watching TV and reading the enslaving official narrative, too many fake facts and ignoring of the actual facts. Relying on medical interventions which are often of suspect quality is concerning also. And I see LesPhelps has commented on the govt recommended diets being harmful, so I'm going to absurdly conflate "scientists" in general with corrupt government-pharma career scientists. The govt scientists do know what the proper diet is based on the current scientific knowledge, however how it comes out as USDA food pyramid is influenced by stake holders i.e. agricultural industries; it is a political process, science be damned, mostly.

    Yep, the "food pyramid" is totally inverted. If your base is carbs, and worse yet grains full of antinutrients and GI irritants (and even worse, GMO and glyphosate), of course you're gonna end up with huge health problems. That's the whole point.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 9:07am

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    brushhog

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    Letting go of the concept of benevolent authority

    Probably one of the hardest steps for most people to take along the road to wisdom. Letting go of that means taking responsibility, it means letting go of the child in you and finally becoming an adult.

    I went through the ringer with both my parents watching them get sick, seek help from a parasitical medical establishment, and then finally die [ probably worse off than they would have been without it ].

    Its just the reality we live in but its scary so people would rather cling to the fantasy; "the medical establishment exists to keep you healthy, if you get sick you'll go the the doctor and he'll make you better."

    The medical establishment exists to make money, if you get sick they can SOMETIMES help. Quite often they can't. At some point you have to accept the fact that you're mortal. You're going to die, and there isnt anything that anybody in the world can do about it even if they wanted to [ and they dont ].

    This can be extrapolated to every institution and construct of society;

    The police [ though generally decent enough people ] are flawed human beings who do terrible things with the power we give them.
    The courts are unfair and many innocent people get sent to prison ALL THE TIME.

    The schools are indoctrination centers

    The media is fake politically motivated propaganda

    The banks cannot be trusted with our money

    Etc, etc, etc

    Maybe its worse now than its ever been. Maybe becoming an adult means we finally realize how messed up everything is.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 9:34am

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    Level Headed and Well Reasoned

    Thank you Chris. This article was good work.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 9:59am

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    Yes, AND not OR

    Chris, I think you may be assuming too much intelligence and evil on the part of the "authorities". I work in a large government organization and my experience is that nearly everyone is intelligent and well-meaning--however the organization as a whole is idiotic and manages to screw up virtually everything.  I think that's true of virtually every large group of people.  As for the individual scientists, consider hubris.  You assume they "know" vitamin D etc is effective. They might have seen some evidence of that but remember their entire career, and likely self worth and worldview, is centered around the medical equivalent of a heroic journey to the moon.  "We can do so much better with all our knowledge and technology!" Think of all the ridiculous techno gadgets we have on the market that do a worse job than their manual equivalents that have been around hundreds of years and cost a fraction. Hubris. "Science!, progress!, out with the old and in with the new!" John Michael Greer often opines on "progress" being the modern secular religion.  We worship it, assume society will always progress upward to the stars, and anyone who thinks otherwise is basically shunned as a heretical doomer. Religion bypasses logical reasoning, which isn't bad in and of itself since logic isn't exactly soul-building or spiritually satisfying, but when you conflate religious beliefs with logic and mundane reality  you have a problem, and I think that is what has happened with many mainstream professionals.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 10:17am

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    i would agree, except...

    Jamie Mason-

    I'd agree with your perspective, except for all of the trials that were constructed to test a 7-day treatment, but the trial won't finish until mid-2021.  This wasn't the exception, it was the rule.

    Likewise, for the trials that are structured to fail in a hundred different clever ways.

    Take Fauci.  He knows vitamin-D is important.  He takes it himself.  Meanwhile, there are no national treatment guidelines whatsoever about vitamin-D.  "Just go home and hope things improve."

    When we've had study after study describing how a big chunk of the US population is vitamin-D deficient.  Especially blacks and latinos, who - just by happenstance - happen to be dying in much higher numbers.

    Sorry.  I don't buy it.  He just isn't that stupid.

    Remdesivir.  How did that horribly ineffective-yet-expensive drug get approved?  It doesn't even work.

    Sorry again.  It doesn't pass even the simplest sniff test.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 10:31am

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    Medicine healing itself out of business; Corruption in large vs. small organizations

    Its just the reality we live in but its scary so people would rather cling to the fantasy; "the medical establishment exists to keep you healthy, if you get sick you'll go the the doctor and he'll make you better."

    "Medicine, the only profession that labors incessantly to destroy the reason for its existence." -- James Bryce

     

    Chris, I think you may be assuming too much intelligence and evil on the part of the "authorities". I work in a large government organization and my experience is that nearly everyone is intelligent and well-meaning--however the organization as a whole is idiotic and manages to screw up virtually everything.

    Is your organization a high target for influence-seeking interests? The smaller/irrelevant the organization, government or not, the less likely or the slower it will become corrupt. Your impression doesn't apply to larger organizations over time.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 11:11am

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    Learn as you go

    I've been following Chris' videos from the beginning, and thank him with all my heart for his research and keeping us up with the various studies.  I was never "afraid" of the virus, but was prepared to take it seriously enough to get masks early on, and stay out of crowds (had a deep pantry already, was already on vitamin D and a decent diet).  Following the research on PP meant that, over time, I became even less worried about the virus provided we all just kept to the simple and superficial inconveniences of masking and spacing and basic hygiene.  The one thing I absolutely would not have wanted to do was infect someone else, who might be more vulnerable, or hand it on to another yet again.

    I agree that the "top" levels of the medical hierarchy must have known more than they were saying - God knows how they justified their approach to themselves, except that an amazing number of people are complete idiots about human relationships, both private and inter-group - like, lying is ever a good idea.  But certainly, for some at least, money was at the root of it.  Always has been.

    I do think that the medical establishment "down on the ground" - your local GP etc, are most likely as much a victim of this colossal mess as the rest of us.  In the meantime, places like PP are a rich resource of those who want to think for themselves, and are content to hold a variety of incompatible possibilities in mind until actual proof starts to come in.

    I've seen in our own community, how economic distress has not been a necessary outcome - mutual support and finding ways to manage the rearrangements has kept everyone going.  Even some good has come from it - lives restructured in healthier ways.

    Not trying to sound like a Pollyanna here, but the fact remains, the one thing you can control is your own narrative.  Base it on the best information you can get - and PP is a great source - and keep learning.

    Thanks to all here.  I may not be around as much for awhile, but will lurk until I can return properly.  Salud!

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 11:21am

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    Jnatural said:

    Well, that may be so. My opinion has changed a lot because of experience. The author sees his error and in this article helps to clarify. He believed the propaganda. Whom to believe?  Your own observations. A lot in this article is accurate and useful. If you read Lord Sumptions address in the UK, he dresses the government down. Governments are passing legislation through the emergency health acts, without voting!  It’s a power grab and demonstrates leaders, if they are, are power mongers and care little for their constituents.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 12:13pm

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    As the facts change, I change. What do you do?

    As the facts change, I change. What do you do?

    This is a great point. Myself, I spend a lot of time reading those people who consistently get things right early in the news cycle. I was unsure of Covid very early, but soon discovered about 5 people who used reason and evidence to get to the truth that it was overblown and political.

    One of the best ways to find smart guys: do they engage other viewpoints, or do they just keep pushing their opinion/linking to other like-minded types? My model is St. Aquinas who always started his opinions by carefully and honestly addressing the strongest opposing arguments he could find, painstakingly show why those ideas were incorrect, and finally use logic/evidence alone to craft his opinion. There are lots of folk on the web today who do the same.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 12:43pm

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    treebeard said:

    “When an old farmer’s stallion wins a prize at a country show, his neighbour calls round to congratulate him, but the old farmer says, “Who knows what is good and what is bad?”

    The next day some thieves come and steal his valuable animal. His neighbour comes to commiserate with him, but the old man replies, “Who knows what is good and what is bad?”

    A few days later the spirited stallion escapes from the thieves and joins a herd of wild mares, leading them back to the farm. The neighbour calls to share the farmer’s joy, but the farmer says, “Who knows what is good and what is bad?”

    The following day, while trying to break in one of the mares, the farmer’s son is thrown and fractures his leg. The neighbour calls to share the farmer’s sorrow, but the old man’s attitude remains the same as before.

    The following week the army passes by, forcibly conscripting soldiers for the war, but they do not take the farmer’s son because he cannot walk. The neighbour thinks to himself, “Who knows what is good and what is bad?” and realises that the old farmer must be a Taoist sage. ”

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 12:56pm

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    Self Delusion

    The technocratic belief in technology as the answer is just as delusional as the belief that they can reengineer humanity.  Don't worry, be happy.

    And yes, the world has always been this corrupt, insane, and dysfunctional.  We may be just getting a little more aware of it then before.

     

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 1:08pm

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    the old man lost his horse

    I had a ... oddly similar story at one point.

    I was living in San Francisco.  One day, my car was stolen.  It was gone for three months.  I was not happy.  Then I got a call from the SFPD.  They had recovered it - and arrested the thief.  He was driving around in it!  I went to pick it up from the yard.  Turns out, the thief had equipped the car - my car - with new rims and tires.  Whoa.

    The car was stolen a *second* time a few years later.  It was recovered, much more rapidly, and this time it was found stripped of those rims and tires.  I got it back, put some less flashy equipment on it.  [Same thief?  I have no idea.  Could be.]

    Then I sold the car, not wanting to chance fate a third time.

    The old man lost his horse.  Twice!

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 3:38pm

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    Health Officials are Worse Than Nasty

    Chris you are too kind but right on the money, dead center on the truth of the matter. Think of the worst of the worst men in history, pure evil. Think if Hitler, Stalin, Mao, the SS and Gestapo and you are getting close but not quite to the evil of the main players in today's pandemic. Never has the harm been so global. These people are death officials not health officials and its not a surprise at all if you look at the vaccine story, the CDC story, pharmaceutical terrorism that has been around for a hundred years. This was 70 years in the planning....health officials have been lusting after this....I could go on and on and will write and essay about it. My last one:

    What Are We Going to Say To The Children?

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 5:16pm

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    Good article...

    This was 70 years in the planning....health officials have been lusting after this....I could go on and on and will write and essay about it. My last one:

    Hey, that was a very good article.  Thanks for linking.

    Noting your credentials, a person close to me has recently been diagnosed with Hodgkins ("classic" they called it, non sclerosing).

    Any advice on where to begin before going down the burn/poison route?  They're trying Panacur C and then maybe a round of Simpson's oil.

    I'm sure other countries are dealing with this disease much differently - the US system is quite mired in poisons mostly developed in the 1950's it seems.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 5:30pm

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    Enter Sandman

    From their perspective you are already dead. How isn't really all that important to them; disease, food shortages, civil unrest...as long as high level control/management can be maintained through the depopulation process.

    Bringing humanity to this bottleneck and limiting the available options for most will provide motivation for those surrounding them to stay the course. "One of the first actions of Cortés, on capturing Veracruz, was to order the sinking of his own ships – commonly thought to be burning, but that is contested – so there would be no option for his men but to continue. What is certain is that the sinking would set an irreversible course for the conqueror." (source)

    Take them at their word when they say "No Plan B".

    I agree with Chris that this all will come flying off the wheels at some point due to human nature if nothing else. No telling when that will finally occur, or what it will look like. Between now and then expect some pretty horrific shit if history is any guide.

    Belief systems will have to shatter before retrospection. For most this will require pain.

    A two hour drive from CDC headquarters through rural Georgia countryside.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 6:33pm

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    Ivermectin

    @Chris,

    Could you link to some studies that you've used to form an opinion on Ivermectin? I am going to see my doctor in a few weeks, and I want to mention that.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 6:35pm

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    Susan7 said:

    I hear that forced Veganism is one of the objectives of the Great Reset. All for our own good, of course.

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 7:43pm

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    jackfoxy said:

    You know the Great Reset from the World Economic Forum is legit because the headliner is HRH the Prince of Wales and all the other experts pictured are women.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/covid19-great-reset-gita-gopinath-jennifer-morgan-sharan-burrow-climate

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  • Sat, Oct 31, 2020 - 8:24pm

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    re Hodgkins

    Oncologists (cancer treating Docs) that I have worked with are not motivated by anything but altruism; they recognize that the drugs are often toxic, and not part of the main profit seeking big Pharma; and here in Canada, they work on salary for the most part (there is a minority of arrogant assholes in every sphere of life and medicine is no exception). I think the oncologic Hodgkins treatment is very data/category driven, and statistics for each category and desease/stage available. There are some remarkable successes, as well as lack thereof. It's the best option out there.

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 2:11am

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    Health Officials are Worse Than Nasty

    Well Chris, nice to hear from you and get your feedback. Been following you from the very beginning of the pandemic but saw through the mass deception pretty quickly since I have been publishing about pharmaceutical terrorism for about 15 years.....my first medical book was called The Terror of Pediatric Medicine, which I had to take off my site to preserve my main work in natural medicine. I call it Natural Allopathic Medicine because the heart of it is based on ICU medicines, the ones they do not like to talk about like magnesium, sodium bicarbonate, iodine and selenium and other things they use which are all natural.

    For your friend no matter what treatment he or she elects from regular medicine it is the basics of life that matter overly much. One can only gain, there is only an upside to flooding the body with magnesium, raising the pH of the body tissues with bicarbonates (sodium, potassium and magnesium bicarbonate). This is especially important because pH is really a measure of cell voltage and oxygen concentration in the fluids). Iodine and selenium of course and as you well know vitamin D, C.....one thing I am strongly into is breathing retraining...almost everyone is breathing way to fast blowing off too much CO2 from the blood.....warming the body with a Biomat (Infrared) stimulates the immune system....and the protocol goes on....hope this helps....oh yes, this person should definetly get on hydrogen inhalation......I have the most complete online course on cancer...hope this all helps

    Conquering Cancer Course

     

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 2:15am

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    Mark Sircus said:

    Of course they only want the best for us, we should trust them as far as we can spit into a hurricane wind;

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 5:04am

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    Supplements guide?

    • There is a huge assortment of very effective, cheap and widely-available preventatives and treatments including (but not limited to)
      • Vitamin D
      • Ivermectin
      • Hydroxychloroquine
      • Zinc
      • Selenium
      • Famotidine (Pepcid)
      • Melatonin
    • Use of a combination of these mostly OTC supplements could reasonably be expected to drop the severity of illness and the already low mortality rate by 90% or (probably) more
    • Chris, I can’t seem to find any recommended supplement amounts or schedule. Can you point me in the right direction? Thank you.

    My dear friend’s son was just tested positive and he’s showing symptoms and I want to help.

    With gratitude,

    Marvin

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 5:18am

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    Covid incidence and prevalence

    You did not read. Chris SAID he has been reading and learning. He did NOT say that he knows reality based on ideology or authority.  Learning means seeking information, thinking, in order to adjust our beliefs or change them.  One more noticeable anomaly I would add to his list is the dramatcally obvious lack of interest in random sampling to know the incidence and prevalence of covid infection. Random does not mean haphazard. It means everyone in the population has an exactly equal chance to be selected. For example, get a list of ALL phone numbers or ALL 5+4 Zip codes, and use a random numbers table to pick 2000 random households in order to interview and covid test the person in the household with the next birthday. Everyone trained in statistics, which means everyone who got accepted to enter medical training, which means all health authorities, knows this. Counting confirmed cases, or deaths attributed to covid, CANNOT give valid information on disease prevalence or incidence. Every nation, every state, has the resources to do random sampling and compute valid and reliable information.  But they don't, as far as I have read or heard in the news.

    Related to this is the decision not to tell the public where the covid cases are. The US 5+4 digit postal code, and the Canadian 6 unit alphanumeric postal code, identifiy a neighborhood. We should have easy accessible report of cases in the postal code specified geography. Repoting cases by state or province or by major city is useless information for people trying to adjust their behavior to minimize covid infection risks. It just provokes fear in Texans to know that Texas has 2315 new cases (hypothetical), if they are not told WHERE in Texas, which neighborhoods. If I knew my postal neighborhood just had 14 new cases, I would stay home for 2 weeks in self isolation or interact with people with extreme caution. If I knew there were no cases in the first 3 units region of my postal code, I might invite friends to dinner, go to a movie, eat in a restaurant. But it feels crazy to urge us to be careful not to interact with infected people, without telling us where they are.

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 5:49am

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    msnrochny said:

    People who go second often have a strategic advantage over those who are brave enough to go first.
    Beginning in January, Chris analyzed data that was not available through government agencies or MSM to draw and share conclusions that gave many of us the time and opportunity to take action that the majority of the populace did not have.  To shame him for bravely going first is not just ungrateful, it is cowardly unto itself.

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 6:18am

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    How to fix cancer (and your health while at it)

    @Chris Martenson
    Noting your credentials, a person close to me has recently been diagnosed with Hodgkins ("classic" they called it, non sclerosing).

    Any advice on where to begin before going down the burn/poison route? They're trying Panacur C and then maybe a round of Simpson's oil.

    I'm sure other countries are dealing with this disease much differently - the US system is quite mired in poisons mostly developed in the 1950's it seems.

    Those two are among the top treatments, but they only address the effects, leaving the underlying cause likely intact. Diet is the #1 thing to address:

    • Vitamin D is as relevant here as in Covid and flu.
    • A major strategy is to ELIMINATE ALL CARBS (i.e. shift to keto/carnivore diet, over e.g. 1-3 weeks) to starve the cancer cells. All normal cells (except for a few brain areas) can use ketones as fuel, while cancer cells require glucose.
    • Eliminate all glyphosate! You cannot wash glyphosate away, vegetables must be organic or at least verified non-glyphosate. Same with GMOs. And toxic vegetable fats (all except coconut and non-heated olive oil).
    • Here's an excellent anti-cancer food guide.
    • Intermittent fasting allows the body to more effectively deploy resources towards healing instead of having to be constantly digesting food.
    • Prolonged fasting (beyond 36h) activates deep healing processes such as stem cells that can more rapidly induce cancer cell death and replace them with new cells
    • Vitamin C (natural source best but at least non-GMO source) is highly useful, as are antioxidants in general, notably the diverse flavonoids found in the plant world (but you also need the fat-soluble vitamins found primarily in animal foods, e.g. a vegan diet will lead to many deficiencies like vitamin E deficiency over time).
    • Clean source of water (obviously don't use tap water unless you can verify purity, use a good filter) -- there are massively contaminated water supplies e.g. near fracking sites.

    Non-diet toxic exposures (such as heavy metals in amalgam fillings, vaccines, lead paint, etc) are probably second. Heavy metals blood/hair tests (for mercury, aluminum, lead, cadmium, arsenic...) highly recommended to discard this common source of carcinogenesis. If levels are high, the most effective tool is purified zeolites.

    This might be a good opportunity to research the highly useful therapy modality known as oxidative therapies (chlorine dioxide, ozone, hydrogen peroxide, etc), which are cytotoxins like chemo["]therapy["] but far less damaging to healthy cells partly because they become the opposite once in contact with the body's antioxidant enzymes. This is a major suppressed tool exploding in non-English language spheres (Spanish, French, German...). Usually it's the other way around, but in this the Anglosphere is lagging behind.

    Last but not least: meditation, yoga, spiritual practice, even entheogens (including THC-rich cannabis/cannabinoids which regulate homeostasis itself beyond merely killing cancer cells). Do not underestimate the power of your mind to heal anything. Biochemical processes/tools ultimately bend to the hyperdimensional/5D/heart probability field. You're the conductor, you're the creator of your own reality.

    Many more good "alternatives to chemo" ideas HERE (32!). Definitely read/research THIS about the cancer industry before going the "poison everything" route. Last resort only!

    This is all for cancer in general. For lymphoma specifically, this article has good additional tips.

    Cancer, even when advanced, is not a death sentence. Believing a doctor who says it is, however, can be, as the effects on your mind can be devastating!

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 7:35am

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    Another great read!

    Found via the Automatic Earth: https://tessa.substack.com/p/great-reset-dummies

    While this essay is a tad long, she very cogently lays out what has happened / is happening / and where we are going. As one of the commentators on her article wrote, the only thing she missed was how the Psy-ops to foment fear started with the 9/11 narrative. Climate change instilled yet more fear, and Covid is mopping up the stragglers. When I step back and look at all that has happened since 9/11, the big game picture has become crystal clear, at least to me.

    A small part of her summary:

    So let’s see.

    Did we forcefully move most activities—such as education, medicine, shopping, sex, and recreation—online for now, as we are working on “digitizing” the physical world, for easy tracking and surveillance?
    Check.

    Did we, despite the lockdowns for white collar peasants, continue with construction—including very robust construction of new telecom structures and cellular antennas, necessary to support the IoT?
    Check.

    Did we succeed at near destroying the livelihoods of many independent farmers who were competing with our new “edible” products, and also at disrupting the traditional food supply chains?
    Check.

    Did we also succeed at destroying a good number of small face-to-face businesses?
    Well, of course!

    Live music venues and theaters?
    For sure.

    Are we working on replacing law enforcement with AI?
    You bet! Defund! Defund! Defund!

    Are we trying to legitimize complete erosion of privacy and easy access to private health data?
    Yes! Because health emergency.

    Are we on target when it comes to tracking every movement of every person?
    Contact tracing, yes! But some countries are still behind.

    Is a digital health ID now required for international travel?
    Yes, Common Pass is live!

    Have we been able to disrupt political and legal procedures and create chaos?
    Yes, Sir!

    Importantly, have we succeeded at messing up human thinking and relationships to the extent that we, the robot, the abuser, are now everybody’s only friend?
    Still working on it but close.

    Are we well on target with prepping the people for a broad rollout of smart wearables?
    Yep. Wear your mask.

    Are we legally controlling people’s sex lives?
    Yes!

    Speaking of, state control of people’s bodies and sexuality is a classic sign of a religious reform. Whenever that happens, watch out.

    I believe all the US election chaos is intentional and that the interregnum, by design, will see massive changes announced, and that which has not already been set in motion will commence in earnest, with much more intensity applied to the roll outs.

    I highly recommend this read!!

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 8:14am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    @marmun

     

    Not really a fair criticism.

    Chris backed up everything he said with science and research.

    His opinion evolved as time passed and as more facts became available.

    I, also, have followed this virus closely and I am still not sure what to believe.

    Unfortunately, media - and even science - is heavily politicized these days. That makes it very difficult - no matter how diligent one is - to determine what is actually going on.

     

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 8:19am

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    pinecarr said:

    Hi Marvin-

    I am sorry to hear about your friend's son testing positive for COVID.

    One place you can find Chris's recommendations for treating COVID is in his YouTube video dated October 13, 2020, "Combo Therapy Works!!", at 24:12 (24 minutes, 12 seconds).  He lists supplements/medicines and dosages.  Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbGG79WGmu4&list=PLRgTUN1zz_oeQpnJxpeaEkFimDeepqyWf&index=4

    Here is the list, just to make it easier.  (I don't know why there is no recommendation for a zinc ionophore, like quercetin):

    Best in World Treatment

    Ivermectin (12 mg/1 dose)

    Vitamin D (does depend on your starting condition)

    Zinc (50 MG, once a day, four days)

    Doxycycline (100 mg, once a day 4 days)

    Another place to check is the Eastern Virginal Medical School's (EVMS's) COVID-19 Critical Care COVID-19 Protocol, at https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/Marik-Covid-Protocol-Summary.pdf 

    Good luck!

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 9:07am

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    Initial treatment for COVID

    Hi Marvin,

    I am a doctor, but like everybody else, we are working with incomplete evidence.  Much has not been "proven" but "indicators" abound.  So, here is what I would personally do.

    Hydroxychloroquine 200 mg twice daily for 5 days.  (most helpful if begun several days before you get sick.  Benefits wane with time, and it is not too helpful after day 5 of illness)

    Ivermectin 12-18 mg in a single dose immediately upon getting sick, and again on day 2 and day 3.  Assuming your friend is already sick you need to act promptly, and I would use a veterinary sourced oral ivermectin.

    Zinc Picolinate 15 mg 2-3 tabs daily for 5 days.  (Best to start supplementation with zinc way before illness strikes, maybe 15-30 mg / day--like this one.)

    Doxycycline 100 mg twice daily x 5, or, Azithromycin 250 mg twice daily x 5 days.

    Vitamin D3 (if you have NOT been taking D3 already, I would take 25,000 IU daily x 3 days, then, 10,000 daily.  Best to start Vitamin D3 weeks and months prior to infection.)

    Selenium  (no specific recommendations from me.  others?)

    Melatonin 20-40 mg / day during illness.

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 9:38am

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    Susan7

    What is the purpose of forced veganism?  Aren't there are huge industries in the US dependent on meat production (corn and soy growers among them).  Even as a vegan I find it unlikely.  The corporate farmers in the grain/bean producing states would be devastated.  Since we are looking at a corporatocracy I would be surprised to see this occur.  Who benefits?

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 10:15am

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    Doxycycline 100 mg twice daily x 5, or, Azithromycin 250 mg twice daily

    How can one get these since I presume a doctor won't prescribe them if you get infected with Covid because they aren't official treatments?

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 10:49am

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    Selenium

    It really matters what type of selenium you use before making a recommendation. I wrote a book on Selenium after I found out a pharma company made injectable selenium for ICU departments. The very best selenium was developed by a brilliant doctor who started his research about 20 years before anyone else. Its selenium bonded to a lipid which makes it about 1,000 times less toxic. Dr. Vivinci used to inject this type as a cancer treatment. First time I took 26 drops which was 26 mg and I felt like Chuck Yager breatking the sound barrier. For other types taking 1 mg would be the limit, most recommend 200 mcg.

    Selenium Medicine

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 11:08am

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    I don’t believe everything I read

    The US Government is still heavily subsidizing the meat and dairy industry.  Factory farms get the most of the farm subsidies.

    At least 70% of the restaurants in the US don’t even have one vegan entree on the menu.

    I think you are safe for now.

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 11:56am

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    Hi Mark_BC-

    One can get doxycycline for their fish here: https://fishmoxfishflex.com/collections/fish-antibiotic-fish-doxy-doxycycline

    Per the website's "About fish antibiotics" section:

    Q. If the antibiotics for fish are USP grade antibiotics why can't they be used for humans?

    A. Fish antibiotics should not be used for human consumption. Humans could have life threatening allergic reactions to antibiotics or other self prescribed medications and if sick should always consult a doctor. Self medicating is dangerous and we discourage anyone buying antibiotics who intends to use them for human consumption. If you need a medication for yourself please visit a doctor. We take no responsibility in the misuse of products we sell that are made for animals and we are not veterinarians, please consult a veterinarian for the correct product to treat your fish or bird.

     

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 12:03pm

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    tbp, i know you are well meaning

    By and large I agree with most of your advice.  However, having advanced metastatic prostate cancer, I've done a fair amount of research on the subject since my life hangs in the balance depending upon what I do and don't do.  If you have prostate cancer and go to a keto/carnivore diet, you will most likely accelerate rather than decelerate your decline.  Prostate cancer cells are different in that they selectively prefer fats (especially the unhealthy trans and saturated fats) over carbohydrates.  That being said, the diabolical buggers, after being deprived of fats for a period of time, can mutate and switch to sugar as a preferred substrate.  Cancer really is a diabolical disease and I've learned that first hand.

     

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 1:17pm

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    Les Phelps, i know you and I have had our disagreements in the past

    I'd like to formally apologize to you for anything I said that was out of line or hurtful.  I have grown with having this disease so, in that way, it is actually a blessing of sorts, strange as that may sound.

    I know you proselytze here about a whole foods plant based diet.  I've studied nutrition for 45+ years, with no formal degrees or certification in it but some undergraduate and graduate level coursework, a lot of personal interest, and much study.  I found much literature to support what you say.  I also found literature that did not fully agree with going totally plant based.  Plus, the experience in my own body with vegetarianism and observing the health of some vegans and vegetarians made me question the wisdom of that decision, especially in a cold northern climate and/or under heavy physical workloads.  Well, guess what?  Like Chris, I'm going to change my mind in light of new evidence and new experience.  I realize mistakes I made in following this kind of diet in the past and the mistakes many others make, some of which I knew before, some of which are newly discovered.

    I'm not only going to embrace a whole foods plant based diet but go a step beyond that.  In reading many books and articles, some new, some old, I dug out an old book on my bookshelf called "God's Way to Ultimate Health: a common sense guide for eliminating sickness through nutrition" by George Malkmus.  He is not a scientist or doctor but rather a Christian pastor motivated by his own colon cancer to find a solution.  The book is not totally free from any errors (but is there any book that is?).  But something about it rang true to me because of where he was coming from, what his motivation was, what he found, and how he and other people have succeeded with this information for cancer and a whole range of other health issues.  He explained his journey and rationale in the book so I won't go into it here.  In the past, I thought this approach was too radical and that there were problems with the diet, especially with not getting enough protein and a few other issues.  Well, I think I was wrong.

    I have evolved my diet several times since receiving this diagnosis and the last was about 2 weeks ago when I started transitioning into the diet Malkmus recommends called the Hallelujah Diet.  I have to say, I am impressed.  My symptoms have largely disappeared and my functional ability has dramatically improved.  That was already happening with medication and previous dietary change (and much fervent prayer) but I noticed other changes as well.

    I've shaved my head for many years and have always noted the top of my head was rather oily, where the hair is/was.  That is no longer the case.  The skin is drier but not unhealthily so.  Bowel movements no longer have an unpleasant smell.  As Paul Chek would describe them, they have a very mild "earthy" aroma (sorry if I'm getting gross here but the changes are really noticeable).  I take a shower every day and use a deodorant but have noted that I didn't smell any underarm body odor at all if I went longer without either.  I just tried an experiment of not showering or bathing for 5 days (the longest time in my life, other than during survival training) and I still have no body odor.  My energy level has improved, something that was always good before cancer but after cancer and with the medication I am taking, I noticed fatigue coming on more easily.  But that has improved for the better.  My sleep quality and emotional state have improved as well.  For example, I am less easily angered and more forgiving which is a real plus for my spiritual growth.

    Surprisingly enough, although I love meat, eggs, and cheese, I am craving none of those foods now.  I have no craving for sweets either that can't be met with fresh fruit.  I realize now those cravings were addictions and I've always sought to remove any addictions from my life (although watching the ongoing slow motion and not so slow motion crumble of our world during this down cycle is one I can't completely remove myself from).  When one removes rich foods and if one is eating quality foods from quality sources, the food itself has excellent flavor.  I had a butternut squash the other day that was absolutely delicious and I had no desire to add butter or olive oil or brown sugar or maple syrup or cinnamon or any other flavor enhancers or condiments that people commonly use.  The natural goodness and flavor just came blasting out at me and I saved the rest of the squash until the end of my meal like a dessert, it was that good.

    I am not dismissing modern medicine when it used judiciously and with discernment.  It can be life saving and certainly, much of my improvement is due to that intervention.  But we also have to take personal responsibility for our health and one of the components of that self responsibility is our diet.

    So to Chris and the person who is experiencing Hodgkin's, I would strongly recommend looking into the resources I've noted.

    Bibilically-Backed Diet

    One doesn't have to buy into the belief system (although, disclaimer here, I do) but if one can read the book, all the way through, in detail, not skimming but really absorbing and assimilating the information in a non-judgemental manner, and then give it a try for several weeks, I think one will be very pleased with the results.

    Interestingly, the diet recommended very closely approximates that recommended by Edgar Cayce, the famous holistic health psychic, who was astoundingly accurate in his ability to diagnosis disease and then recommend treatments for that specific condition, recommendations that were often quite unusual yet consistently highly successfully.  I think both he and Malkmus had information coming from the same Source.  "By their fruits, ye shall know them."

    As Les (and King Solomon) noted, there is nothing new under the sun.

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 1:32pm

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    Susan7 said:

    I shouldn’t have been so quick to post. It was just something I read in relation to the coming reset. I think it was in reference to plant-based lab-grown  meat. Ick! But I have no facts and so was shooting from the hip. As to who would possibly benefit, I think totalitarianism is not necessarily motivated by profit so much as power. The engineered Soviet famine in the Ukraine comes to mind. Anyway you would probably agree that veganism should be a personal choice right?

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 4:14pm

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    Susan 7

    Absolutely it is a choice. Thank you for clarifying.  Lab grown meat is a strange development to me and I will avoid it.  I think many of us are worried about having our freedoms further compromised.  Certainly forcing a vegan to eat meat would be a form of mental abuse though I have seen it done openly and through trickery.  Any diet should be a matter of personal choice.  Forced feeding is a form of torture.

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 4:25pm

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    MikeJE said:

    Hi all. I've been a long time subscriber, and 'lurker'  but very seldom comment. Over the years I've found Chris' insight invaluable. Crash Course in particular.

     

    I followed the first half of his Covid coverage avidly but gradually questioned his conclusions on the severity of Covid19 for the vast bulk of the population.

    I'm self employed and live in the UK and in a few days will be, once again, be put under lockdown for a month (though I expect it will be much longer!).

    I started to part from Chris' 'Covid19' conclusions and began the put more credence in information I read on the 'Corbett Report' and 'Jon Rappaport's' site, both of which I'm a long time reader. From the outset I have had very little (zero) faith in our institutions: law, health, education, politics etc, etc. I conclude that they are so compromised and corrupted they are beyond redemption.

     

    I'll cut to the chase.

     

    In my opinion; after much reading and logical thought this is nothing less than a coup.

    Not just of the UK but of all Europe, the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    This is organised and has been planned over many years. This is all about completely reshaping the global economy and our place in it. This is about total control of the economy and polpulation. The 'Great Reset'

     

    The World Economic Forum (WEF) with Claus Schwab and the usual suspects want total control. Of everything. Full stop.

    I paraphrase:

    'Within 10 years you will not own anything - and you will be happy'. Go and look on the WEF site, it's all there.

     

    This sounds extreme. It is. It came to me yesterday at 5.30 in the morning in a kind of revellation! It all ties together. Hear me out.

    5G, The Internet of Things (IoT), FED/Central Bank Digital Currency ((CBDC) coming out on the 21 Jan 2021 from the FED).

    You will be encouraged, bribed, blackmailed into having a CBDC. The lockdowns are purely a device/excuse to inflict economic pain and ultimately, insolvencies amongst small and medium sized businesses. Rolling lockdowns and restrictions will eventually, cull many. The Central Bank/Government will then offer the lifeline of a Universal Basic Income (UBI). The 'plandemic' will continue and even worsen (release a more infectious and deadly strain of Covid??) until it breaks the back of all resistence.

    There will be an 'offer' by a caring and concerned Central Bank/government to absolve all debts of an individual in exchange for ALL their assets (property, possessions etc).

    These would become the property of the CB/Govt. and in exchange you'll be given a UBI and a place to live (read 'hostel) in a 'Smart City'. Everything, from your toothbrush, microwave, car will be rented -  ie everything will be conneced to the IoT and you will pay rent for them and the energy used via micro transactions with your FED UBI account.

    The whole economy will be centrally planned. You will be designated a 'job' (maybe). You will get + social credits for being 'good' and - credits for being 'bad'. You will be subjected to whatever vaccination/meds that 'they' deem fit, and pay for them. Your travel and access to govt. services will be dependent on having sufficient 'social credit' an an 'immunity passport'. Failure to be 'good' would result in restrited choices. Ultimately, dissenters being put into some kind of detention centre (FEMA camps?).

    CBDC could/will have restrictions of when, where and how you spend your currency. Higher interest rates could be paid to reward 'good' citizens and vice versa. CBDC could impose time limits in which it had to be spent and on what.

     

    I thought long and hard about posting this but I believe it to be the game plan.

    I sincerly hope I'm wrong but hope is not a strategy!

     

    I know this is extremely, extreme. 9 months ago, had someone come out with what I have just described, I would have said they were utterly bonkers.

    Like you all I am trying to navigate the madness and protect my family best I can. I fully accept I could be totally misguided but I am utterly sincere. Please take this in good faith and at face value and tell me why I am completely wrong?

     

     

    Regards,

    Mike.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 4:34pm

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    Ao, I hope WFPB helps your condition

    Apology accepted, but I wasn’t harboring any resentments regarding previous posts.

    I’ve only been plant based three years.  Frankly, when I read “The China Study,” I was shocked that we were being, perhaps intentionally, misinformed.  The book angered me enough that I was able to transition relatively quickly, despite being healthy, for my age.

    Initially, I thought that pointing people to the same information that prompted me to change would prompt others to make the switch.  I’ve gradually come to realize that people are not flexible when it comes to diet and nutrition.  Also, I already knew about the link between nutrition and cardiovascular disease and diabetes, but not the links to cancer and many other diseases and chronic conditions.

    I don’t know where you are at in getting use to plant based, but one tidbit that helped me came from Dr. John McDougall.  Before I changed, a large portion of my calories came from meat and dairy.  WFPB needs a calorie “centerpiece” to build around.  Dr. McDougall recommends using rice, potatoes, corn, legumes or grains to center a meal around.  Once I started doing that, the transition began working better.

    BTW, I leave the table just as satisfied now as I did before, perhaps more so.  As you’ve noticed, taste buds will adapt fairly quickly.

    Best of luck.

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 5:31pm

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    A Key Insight

    Things like the notion that people are basically good. The idea that the government generally means well. The thought that somehow when the chips are down and a crisis is afoot, good will emerge and triumph over evil.

    I’m sorry to say, the exact opposite of all of that has emerged as true.

    This is a key insight. So many people want to believe that our species is somehow different from all other species in that our characteristic behaviours can be voluntarily changed to be like the ideal we want.

    Humans aren't rational (just like other species) so I doubt we'll be able to figure out a reason for all the dumb moves in the Covid-19 responses around the world.

    Also infinite economic growth is not rational so that's why nations around the world have it as their key driver, either explicitly or implicitly.

    Very little that humans do makes much sense (if any) and maybe this is why our behaviours provide and endless stream of topics to discuss and rail over.

    On Covid-19, at least some scientists want to highlight Vitamin D but there will always be a study somewhere that appears to demonstrate no benefit but, given the possible benefit with no downside, why not just do it? Who knows why; humans aren't rational. With all of the ignoring of effective treatments and preventative measures, it remains a dangerous disease, regardless of our hopes that it isn't. And, if it continues to spread with only limited herd immunity possible, there could still be millions of deaths each year, globally. Is this something that countries will simply have to accept for years to come?

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 5:39pm

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    Sofistek?

    It has been said, human kind, thinks in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    quick summary

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  • Sun, Nov 01, 2020 - 8:23pm

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    Conflicting narratives

    It's interesting to see the 'one-world government' thesis surfacing.  This is something my father has been banging on about since I was a teenager.  I dismissed it at the time as I thought it was simply his interpretation of his religious beliefs.  Interesting that Chris' analysis is now pointing in that direction too.

    What confuses me a bit is how this thesis intersects with the notion of reducing net energy and the resulting move to lower levels of complexity: as in the 'new localism', which is where my head has been at for some time.  This seems at odds with the idea of a super-powerful one-world government.  I'd appreciate any thoughts / comments as these two ideas do not seem compatible.

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 9:18am

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    katzenjammer said:

    Risibly false, Chris - you were at the forefront of the hyperventilating misinformation from the very beginning. The facts didn't change one bit.

    Many of us knew from the start that this the Pandemic is a psy-op; that Covid-19 wasn't novel, and wasn't particularly lethal; that the PCR only indicates the presence of viral material; and that the presence of Coronavirus material isn't indicative of an infection, much less a “contribution to death"; and that widespread "testing" was fabricating a pandemic, which was loud-speakered by the media and a very narrow selection pre-approved experts.

    I have watched your career since my wife went to one of your "seminars" in north-central Mass; during which you proffered "climate change" as unimpeachable, "settled" "science" - which, of course, would immediately disqualify it as "science," if you knew as much as you profess to know.

    You really ought to be ashamed of yourself.  You're either an unwitting pawn; or a witting pawn.

    In either case, how about waking up?

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 9:21am

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    Well, look who's waking up finally?

    Chris - you were at the forefront of the hyperventilating misinformation from the very beginning. The facts didn't change one bit.

    Many of us knew from the start that this the Pandemic is a psy-op; that Covid-19 wasn't novel, and wasn't particularly lethal; that the PCR only indicates the presence of viral material; and that the presence of Coronavirus material isn't indicative of an infection, much less a “contribution to death"; and that widespread "testing" was fabricating a pandemic, which was loud-speakered by the media and a very narrow selection pre-approved experts.

    I have watched your career since my wife went to one of your "seminars" in north-central Mass; during which you proffered "climate change" as unimpeachable, "settled" "science" - which, of course, would immediately disqualify it as "science," if you knew as much as you profess to know.

    You really ought to be ashamed of yourself.  You're either an unwitting pawn; or a witting pawn.

    In either case, how about waking up?

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 9:43am

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    Wrusssr said:

    It's all a  scam--the virus, the health "officials", the "health managers” (aka "doctors"), Fauci, the vaccines, the bounty paid for classifying pneumonia and influenza COVID-19 ($59,000 per day for every day a "diagnosed" COVID patient” was kept on a ventilator until he/she died), $39,000 for a “diagnosed COVID patient” treated in an ICU, and roughly $4,200 for classifying anyone who walked into, or was transported into, a hospital as a patient as having  "COVID-19”. Every damn boogeyman virus --AIDS, swine, Ebola, zika skeeters--have all been scams. . . ALL OF THEM.  And god knows what else.  Did you know Pediatricians and GP's get "gratuitized" for every vaccine shot they give a child?  Over 50 shots now recommended by the CDC by age six beginning with the dangerous, unnecessary, worthless hepatitis-B shot at birth?  Did you know hundreds of thousands of America's children have been permanently injured from vaccines? Or died? Infants as well as adults? Did you know congress indemnified BigPharma from any lawsuit their vaccines injured or killed?  That the American people pay for these injuries and deaths in a “special government court”? That only 10 to 15% of these injuries are ever make it into that court? That has paid out roughly $4 billion to date beginning in the 1990’s? Did you know there’s no such thing as a virus outside of the body? Or transmitted as such (TAKE THAT WORTLESS, USELESS DAMN MASK OFF)? That germs may actually be good for you?

    Give this link time to load.

    http://entityart.co.uk/the-germ-theory-deception-viruses-5g-agenda-vaccines-louis-pasteur-bechamp-terrain-theory-coronavirus/

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 9:55am

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    Dr. Sircus and Selenium recommendations....

    Dr. Sircus... I am not going to hold it against you that your degrees are in psychology and you are here recommending in the realm of biochemistry... but I am going to ask that, instead of linking us to an e-book that we can buy to get your precious information... that you provide your arguments directly.

    There are lots of pharma formulations of Se meant for infusion.. Selenious acid, Sodium Selenite pentahydrate, etc.

    https://s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/bucket.biosyn.de/documents/Selenium_in_intensive_care.pdf

    If the version of Selenium you are recommending is only available via infusion.. then it's not too useful for folks looking to supplement as a regular thing.. which is my interpretation of the nature of the conversation here.

    Most days I take 200 mcg of Selenium via L-Selenonethionine, obviously a chelate form.  I have to admit not doing too much research on the subject - I didn't want a megadose, and the above dosage is 364% of RDA.

    This webpage makes the case that the onset of Selenium toxicity can creep up at doses between 200 - 400 mcg per day... so this is at least one reference for where we may want to cap dosing.

    https://www.easy-immune-health.com/selenium-overdose.html

    Why does your magic Selenium formulation allow higher doses while limiting toxicity?  This fundamentally does not make sense to me, but I welcome you to explain it further.  Thank you, Jim H

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 10:15am

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    dreutter said:

    The argument that the economy takes precendence over health is specious. Imagine several million infected, and 1/2M bread winners can no longer work, or worse, die. What does that do for your economy?

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 10:44am

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    Still Arguing about Masks!

    Why is social media still arguing about the effectiveness of masks?   The mask is now almost a political symbol.  Just ridiculous.

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 11:25am

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    MikeJE said:

    Here we go...

    CDC plans COVID concentration camps

     

    Mike

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 11:36am

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    I tend to agree

    But, i believe the vegan agenda is not about control it is about collapse and limits. As Chris said “nature bats last”.

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 11:40am

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    Schwab's Great Reset

    • The Covid crisis is being used to bypass democratic accountability to achieve the Great Reset (because the climate change narrative didn’t work)
    • Schwab’s perspective may be termed a ‘technocratic fascist vision’
    • It relies on transhumanism, the merging of humans with machines
    • The key element is to reshape humanity to suit capitalism (we would rephrase that as suiting the interests of monopoly capitalism or predatory capitalism, since it is only corporations whose capitalist interests are being promoted, not the smaller entrepreneur)
    • The state is used entirely to protect and advance the interests of the wealthy elite
    • Humans are merely secondary participants in a massive commercial enterprise
    • Everyone lives and operates in relative isolation, connected to the net, living under new forms of surveillance which in turn shape our behaviour
    • Technological devices of one sort of another will be implanted into us (think: vaccines are an obvious delivery method)
    • Relentless propaganda and narrative-creation are the means to advance it
    • It’s an end to natural human life and community.

    The link is a very long read.  Schwab is a sick bastard.

    https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/klaus-schwab-and-his-great-fascist-reset/

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 12:30pm

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    suspicious minds

    There is such a thing as corona virus. Covid 19 is a novel form. It seems to be less lethal now but still requires hospitalization, by a certain percentage of those infected.

    The goal of lockdowns and other measures was to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming hospitals, all at once.

    5g does NOT cause Covid. Viruses are not "created inside the body."  You may not be a fan of big pharma, (most people aren't) but returning to a bygone era for information regarding biochemistry is crazy.

    If you believe these kinds of old fashioned, if not medieval theories, you should also have your teeth pulled by a barber.

    There is conflicting and confusing information available to the public who are unable to evaluate it, as they don't have the education to do so.

    Those who feel they do have the means to evaluate it, based on their medical, scientific backgrounds have to check their own emotions and not feed overly suspicious mind sets.

     

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 12:52pm

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    Yes, he is Nate.

    I did not know of him until recently. However, the videos of him and those that are involved in his organization make the hair on my neck stand up.

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 1:10pm

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    I Applaud You

    Chris,

    I applaud you for taking the risk and following the evidence and your heart and making this leap. Typically credentialed professionals don't like to go into these dark corners of truth because it is like pulling on a string in terms of where it goes and what it means.

    You are charismatic and intelligent person and your insights and influence are desperately needed in this awakening.

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 1:47pm

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    There IS currently one world government

    under the U.S. What the American elite fear is true multi-polarity. That's why there's cold war with China and a desire to weaken Russia. Once the new or old world order is no longer sustainable the dollar will be revealed to  have been backed by oil and guns.

    But, by all means, follow the meme about evil China, promoted by both mainstream and social media. Note that it started around the same time U.S hedgemony looked to be threatened.

     

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 2:22pm

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    Be careful what you wish for....

    Years ago , my wife and I made a trip to Eureka Springs, Arkansas. It was a real cute craft town.  We were talking to a lady who told us that Eureka Springs was a veritable gold mine,  she said that she was a Eureka Springs millionaire.  She moved to Eureka Springs with $3 million and when we talked she was worth $1 million!

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  • Mon, Nov 02, 2020 - 7:27pm

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    Eureka Springs

    Been there many times. I guess for her it was worth the 2 million. People pay a lot more to live in worse places. There is quite a bit of data missing from the tale. Like how long has she lived there? What happened to the 2 million? Happiness quotient? etc etc etc.

    Losing or spending 2 million can happen anywhere.

    Eureka now has a free air pump.

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 5:18am

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    The Great Reset for Dummies

    This is the best forecast I’ve seen on what’s potentially coming.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/great-reset-dummies

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 5:46am

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    That was already posted

    see #38 above

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 7:20am

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    It's worse than you think, It's a TRAP!

    "Thucydides, unlike Herodotus, makes very little reference to the Greek gods as active agents in history, preferring to understand events in terms of their human causes. Nevertheless, he sculpts a cohesive narrative in which Athens’ loss in Sicily is both the logical outcome of poor leadership and an almost-cosmic punishment for a society’s ethical decline."

    Humanoids from the Deep

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 11:39am

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    Nature of viruses / infectious diseases

    @MikeJE
    In my opinion; after much reading and logical thought this is nothing less than a coup.

    Not just of the UK but of all Europe, the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    This is organised and has been planned over many years. This is all about completely reshaping the global economy and our place in it. This is about total control of the economy and polpulation. The 'Great Reset

    YEP, and there's plenty of very interesting evidence of FOREKNOWLEDGE that seems too strong to ignore. Event 201 by itself seems like a smoking gun. Everyone really has to watch PLANDEMIC 2: INDOCTORNATION to see some of this evidence.

    @agitating prop
    There is such a thing as corona virus. Covid 19 is a novel form. It seems to be less lethal now but still requires hospitalization, by a certain percentage of those infected.

    But ONLY because they didn't use vitamin D and the other effective treatments, that alleged "health authorities" should be recommending everywhere but aren't. Therefore, the virus isn't the problem at all.

    The goal of lockdowns and other measures was to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming hospitals, all at once.

    You said it yourself, WAS. Initially yes, then the goalposts were moved to the enslavement narrative that @MikeJE in post #51 and @Nate in post #64 explained so well.

    5g does NOT cause Covid. Viruses are not "created inside the body."  You may not be a fan of big pharma, (most people aren't) but returning to a bygone era for information regarding biochemistry is crazy.

    If you believe these kinds of old fashioned, if not medieval theories, you should also have your teeth pulled by a barber.

    There is conflicting and confusing information available to the public who are unable to evaluate it, as they don't have the education to do so.

    Those who feel they do have the means to evaluate it, based on their medical, scientific backgrounds have to check their own emotions and not feed overly suspicious mind sets.

    Agreed in general, but the extended model of germ theory that assumed that disease is caused by transmitting germs is only half of the story, because the other requirement is that the body be immunoincompetent (damaged terrain). I was saying similar things, fully trashing the germ theory skeptics only a few months ago, but it's probably not really that simple... Watch this very interesting analysis by Dr. John Bergman:

    I'm still researching exosomes and their incredible similarity to viruses, and trying to figure out where viruses come from if they're not produced by cells.

     

    BTW, several more tips on HOW TO HEAL LYMPHOMA in this video about Dan Bongino and the comments:

    https://www.brighteon.com/7a330153-8c26-4904-9a97-b0775778b188

     

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 11:40am

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    As far as science and hydroxychloroquine go

    It's not that scientists and medical professionals don't care. It's that people run in packs and these professionals are just pack animals in white lab coats, very aware of what the alpha scientist's position on medications happens to be. Hydroxychloroquine can be proved to work over and over and over, but if it's only proven by a beta, it won't matter to the socially conscious. Data be damned.

    It matters not what the truth is, those who run in packs have a better chance of survival within a pack that is deluded (about hydroxy, in this case) than alone in the wilderness, outside of the general consensus and freezing to death, without grant money to sustain him or her.

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 11:53am

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    TBP

    TBP,

    Terrain is important to inhibit the actions of viruses. But those who say that germs arise out of the terrain, are mistaken.

    You have self styled experts like Jon Rappaport, who knit many different hyptheses together that can be easily refuted. You have to take the time to read alternative takes on 5g, for example. Fear of 5g conforms to the apprehension many people have that technocrats are trying to kill them. I don't think that's true.

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 11:53am

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    Alone in the wilderness

    Speaking of "alone in the wilderness", notice that nobody lives out here. This is where your bread comes from. The tractors are 600 HP and $600,000. The combines are one million with about 500 HP. They use fuel. How will the "Great Reset" replace these? I think you know the answer.

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 12:12pm

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    Don’t worry David McKenney

    Replacing the tractors and combines won’t be such a problem once The Great Resetters slash the human population of Earth down to a number they, in their wisdom, decide is the right level.

    https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin

    The Ukrainian famine—known as the Holodomor, a combination of the Ukrainian words for “starvation” and “to inflict death”—by one estimate claimed the lives of 3.9 million people, about 13 percentof the population. And, unlike other famines in history caused by blight or drought, this was caused when a dictator wanted both to replace Ukraine’s small farms with state-run collectives and punish independence-minded Ukrainians who posed a threat to his totalitarian authority.

    “The Ukrainian famine was a clear case of a man-made famine,” explains Alex de Waal, executive director of the World Peace Foundation at Tufts University and author of the 2018 book, Mass Starvation: The History and Future of Famine. He describes it as “a hybrid…of a famine caused by calamitous social-economic policies and one aimed at a particular population for repression or punishment.”

    In those days, Ukraine—a Texas-sized nation along the Black Sea to the west of Russia—was a part of the Soviet Union, then ruled byStalin. In 1929, as part of his plan to rapidly create a totally communist economy, Stalin had imposed collectivization, which replaced individually owned and operated farms with big state-run collectives. Ukraine’s small, mostly subsistence farmers resistedgiving up their land and livelihoods.

    “Happy Hunger Games! And may the odds be ever in your favor.”

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 12:18pm

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    Hunger games

    My thought too.

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 1:20pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    I think 5G is to make the forced digitization of everything, primarily currency, work.

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 1:35pm

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    Mark BC

    That I can believe.

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 2:09pm

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    Tonights video

    Could someone please post the direct link to Chris' new video when it becomes available in case youtube hides it from me for a day like they did last time?

    Thank you!

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 2:32pm

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    Science Advances One Funeral At A Time

    agitating prop wrote:

    It's not that scientists and medical professionals don't care. It's that people run in packs and these professionals are just pack animals in white lab coats, very aware of what the alpha scientist's position on medications happens to be. Hydroxychloroquine can be proved to work over and over and over, but if it's only proven by a beta, it won't matter to the socially conscious. Data be damned.

    It matters not what the truth is, those who run in packs have a better chance of survival within a pack that is deluded (about hydroxy, in this case) than alone in the wilderness, outside of the general consensus and freezing to death, without grant money to sustain him or her.

    agitating prop,

    You really nailed it! I saw a picture of someone holding up a sign saying "Count All Votes." I'd agree with that sign if it said, "Count All Legal Votes."

    We've got a similar problem with science. Herd mentality keeps good science from happening. It takes a strong person to make a facts-based pronouncement and then support an opposing view (after new facts surface.) For most of human history, the earth was considered flat. Those who contradicted this "known fact" were tortured and killed as heretics.

    The best "science money can buy" says that hydroxychloroquine not only doesn't work but is detrimental to patients. It really doesn't matter if the paper gets retracted or it's obvious that the methodology predetermined the failed result. What gets remembered is the headline. It gets repeated ad nauseum until it is a "known fact" just like the earth was flat half a millennium ago.

    The more controversial the subject, the more brittle the battle lines become. (As examples, think of climate change or abortion.) Not only do we have "scientists" shopping for funding, but we also have people so entrenched in their personal view that science really doesn't have a chance to move the collective needle in the near future.

    Should science dictate our nation's policy? That depends on whether it is based on fundable science or good science. How do we tell the difference?

    Grover

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 3:47pm

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    Enjoyed Dr. Bergman video, tbp

    Thanks for posting the video with Dr. John Bergman, tbp; it was interesting.  It's great to watch people who are passionate about what they are discussing!

    A lot of what he says about stressors being a cause of illness is consistent with my experience.  The couple of times I've gotten really sick (shingles, pneumonia) have happened right after some major life stressor.

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 3:56pm

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    Martin Armstrong and James Corbett have been reporting extensively on the Great Reset + hope Chris looks into hijacked Climate change agenda as well

    Both Martin Armstrong and James Corbett have been reporting extensively for quite some time about the Great Reset. Just type in "Great Reset" in the searchbar of their websites (as I have already done in the links below) and you will see the numerous results on this topic:

    Martin Armstrong about the "Great Reset"
    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/?s=great+reset

    James Corbett about the "Great Reset":
    https://www.corbettreport.com/?s=great+reset

     

    Chris' information about the Sars-CoV-II virus has been invaluable in my opinion and I thank him for that. I got a lot of valuable information from his reporting, in particular with regard to the supplements and medicines. Although the reporting could have been done with less fear-mongering.

    With regard to to the Great Reset agenda, Chris has been rather slow in my opinion, but I'm very glad he's coming around.

    Besides the Great Reset, I hope that Chris will also cover how the Powers That Shouldn't Be have hijacked the Climate Change or Sustainable Development agenda. Again, just search in the search-bar of Martin Armstrong's site (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/) or James Corbett's site (https://www.corbettreport.com/).

    And go to Rosa Koire's website (https://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/) and check out some of her videos or her book "Behind the green mask".

    Again, I'm glad Chris is finally looking into the Great Reset, but I also hope he also looks into how the Climate Change agenda has been hijacked as well.

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 4:35pm

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    Chris's Tuesday night video

    Here you go Quercus bicolor: "Election Disaster: Half the nation mourns & the whole nation loses".

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 4:46pm

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    Chris' video hidden on you tube

    Thank you Pinecarr.  Thursday's video is still the latest one for me when I reload the peak prosperity channel.

    Update: 11 AM Wednesday - still no new video on the PP Channel page.

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  • Tue, Nov 03, 2020 - 7:40pm

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    Missing a big issue

    I haven't watched Chris's latest video yet but agree with the words below the video, except that Chris has not included environmental degradation as one of the biggest issues. Without a habitable planet, none of those other issues matter.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 1:17am

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    Another missing big issue

    I have followed the "renewable energy" issue for years and have never once seen discussed what would be the "Real Great Reset": photosynthesis. Life has run on this for 3 billion years and in the long run, it is the only thing that works. It provided all our food, clothing, heat and many building materials. If produced the fossil fuels. It remanufactures itself in all its forms. Yet it is completely missing in the discussion. It was all we had until about 200 years ago. Why doesn't this dog bark?

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 2:31am

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    Yes I think so

     

    We Are Pawns In A Bigger Game Than We Realize

     

    Is it possible to make sense out of nonsense?

    Yes, I think so. Who benefits?

     

    To myself this has been like the blue pill/red pill.

    When the genie is out of the bottle there is no going back.

     

    I’ll try to explain my theory on what’s really going on.

     

    First of all, we have to look at things from a much, much higher perspective.

    From the ground we can only see what’s around us, but as soon as we get higher up, we can see how things are connected.

    I think we are looking at this “nonsense” from the wrong perspective.

    We look at all these governments, institutions, mass media and wonder why they and we are acting as we do.

    It simply doesn’t make sense to us.

     

     

    Some kind of intelligence/lifeforce existence started what we call “life” on earth. In the following I’ll just refer to it as the LifeForce.

     

    Studying it, this LifeForce seem so far to have only one purpose, to grow.

    It started out very small and today we have a whole planet where this LifeForce is integrated in everything.

    It constantly mutates in all kind of biological life. Finding new ways to expand and improve. The keyword is mutating. Trail and error, until something works, by “survival of the fittest”


    The LifeForce also exists in every “organism” created by man. That be companies, states, political parties, military complex, social medias, mass media, monetary systems, everything.

    These organisms share the same fundamentals as us humans. They want to expand and survive.

    We humans are all dependent of them, so we want them to survive, so we can survive.

     

    We hear a lot about artificial intelligence, but there is no such thing. It is just LifeForce on a non-biological level.

     

    However, we seem to forget that these “organisms” have their own life, their own agenda.

    They seem to be controlled by human leaders, but it is the other way around. These leaders serve the “organisms”.

    These organisms don’t care about humans, they care about their own survival.

    So yes, we are pawns being played by our own “creations”.

    These “organisms” are now so big, so powerful, that we have lost human control.

     

    We humans are no longer masters of our own house.

     

    The “Skynet” is here, right in front of our eyes

    The LifeForce has like a virus, jumped to a new host, a new specie, a non-biological specie.

     

     “Is it possible to make sense out of nonsense?”

     

    Why should well educated doctors give toxic doses of medication in a nonsense experimental treatment?

    Why are common sense and well documented treatments being suppressed?

    Why are we being fist fed with fear by the medias?

    Why are we all being divided and conquered?

     

    Because we are no longer in control of our own creations.

     

     

    How much control or conscious, at what level have this LifeForce over our digital human world at this moment?

    Manipulating us to censor, confuse, scare ourselves, turning us against each other?

    “Is it possible to make sense out of nonsense?”. No of course not. It is not meant to. So yes.

     

    Personally, I really don’t like this theory, it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

    And I’ve tried to prove it wrong, looking for some other logical explanation.

    So far, no luck.

     

    Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

     

    So

     

    First, it is ridiculed.

    Second, it is violently opposed.

    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

     

    Best regards

    Thomas.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 5:57am

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    A MUST READ - BEST ARTICLE I HAVE READ IN YEARS!

    Found on the Automatic Earth this morning:

    https://www.energyandourfuture.org/2020/11/02/no-matter-who-wins/

    Too many great points of view & stats to choose any given one for an excerpt. This is the first article I have read in a long, long time that put a bit of hope in my heart. A dangerous thing, psychologically speaking, in this crazy world. We must hope that Decency and Respect 2020 and beyond is the final outcome!

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 6:30am

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    Affordable Health Care Plan

    Because I gotta...

    Everybody stop eating meat, dairy and drastically reduce consumption of processed foods.

    Likely results include 75% reduction in health care costs, without waiting for our useless government to get off their collective, corrupt arses.  Minor side benefits include giant reductions in fossil fuel and water use and major reduction in environmental destruction.

    Sadly, it requires giving up pizza deliveries.

    I’m not convinced we are up to it.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 7:36am

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    LesPhelps, i agree

    But you forgot to add "get up off your butts and move".  Our physical component of health has been attributed as arising anywhere from 67% to 80% from eating properly (including but not limited to nutrition) with the remaining percentage coming from moving properly (including but not limited to exercise).  But the likelihood of most people embracing that knowledge and translating it into effective action is small.

    From my point of view, if we all followed the Golden Rule, followed the two greatest commandments outside of the Ten Commandments, followed the Ten Commandments, ate properly (and the evidence supports your prescription), and moved properly, mankind's problems would largely be solved.

    Chances of that happening, however?  Next to none, given human nature.  And so we will experience pain and suffering, individually and collectively, until we learn the lessons and change and rectify the situation.

    I used to explain to patients that pain is almost always a warning signal to change one's behavior.  It's like a fire alarm.  It should neither be ignored nor should it cause one to flee in blind panic.  Rather it should evoke calm yet decisive action to exit the building in an orderly yet swift manner ... in other worlds, to take calm, rational, well reasoned, well thought out, well planned steps to identify and correct the problem as quickly as possible.

    I would also explain to patients, in a fashion simplified for easy understanding, that health was dictated by 3 factors: what you take into your body for energy and how you do it (be it photons, air, water, food, etc.), how you position and move your body (whether your posture, movement, exercise, etc.),  and how you think and believe and the actions you take based upon those thoughts and beliefs (i.e. your psychological/spiritual state).  I have neither heard nor seen anything that would cause me to deviate from that premise.

     

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 8:30am

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    @LesPhleps

    Sorry, Les I must disagree. My Niece who we adopted when she was 12, turned Vegan when she was 16, after she got a job and could afford it, she is now almost 19 and has had to start consuming milk and small amounts of meat. She look horribly unhealthy. I told her when she started this that she was going to have a hard time with enough protein on just vegan. She talked about beans etc., but I told her that the fiber locks too much, unless cooked properly.

    Now you may dispute this, but I have done my research. Not to refute her, but because yes Americans consume way too much meat, myself included. So I went about researching how to eat no or less meat. I wish I had the studies I found to post here, but that was years ago.

    Alas I still eat meat and will never stop, no matter what laws are passed. I will shoot squirrel with my pellet gun to get meat if necessary. Hopefully the tyranny won't get that bad.

    BTW I do eat much less meat than I did.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 8:37am

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    Photosynthesis and Biofuels

    Dave,

    The link you are seeking between photosynthesis and renewable energy is found in biofuels. Biofuels are plant-based substitutes or alternatives to fossil fuels. Modern biofuels constitute a large but controversial part of renewable energy futures, supplying up to about 25% of total world energy demand of various renewable energy futures.

    I have spent my professional life in this particular research area.  If the broader PP community is interested, I would be glad to learn from and contribute to a discussion on biofuels, or you can PM me and we can discuss biofuels between the two of us.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 8:42am

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    @ao

    Yes, ao, we are made to move, whether you believe in God or a pure evolutionary model, we need to move. Our Paleolithic ancestors HAD to move. It wasn't until we became agrarian and started to settle in one place with an excess of calories, that a class of intellectuals emerged, that didn't have to physically labor as hard. Now don't get me wrong, up until the last 150 years, most people HAD to still physically work to get paid, with a small percentage being the artists and professors and rulers, etc.

    As a side note our Paleolithic ancestors were larger, because their diets were mostly meat and fat, with other stuff as gathered to supplement. As agriculture grew and the diet switched, as our primary caloric intake, to mostly grains, we got smaller.

    I was watching something the other day and it showed a film of people in the early 1900's in New York city. Very few cars and some horse drawn wagons. Just about everyone was walking. I noticed that they ALL looked fit. I tried to find an over weight person, but couldn't.

    Now, I sit at home "working" all day.

    When  I was younger I used to watch a cartoon called the Jetsons. I was incredulous when George Jetson would come home tired after a long day of pushing buttons on a machine, what I see today as a computer. That is what I do, and darned if some days I'm exhausted after a day of work.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 8:49am

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    Sofistek

    This site used to be devoted to the three E's. As an early adopter you know that. As an early adopter you are aware that this site is now devoted to the 1 and 1/2 E's

    This site is now an econ wonk site devoted to the Economy. The other 1/2 E is here only because of its effect on the economy. The former third E is an afterthought here unless there happens to be a forest fire or hurricane. If the former third E mattered anymore there would be some discussion of the destruction wrought by PM mining. It doesn't and there isn't.

     

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 9:32am

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    Mark_BC said:

    From my research biofuels are a wash. The amount of energy you need to put in, in terms of fertilizers, mechanized equipment, processing, pretty much makes them a waste of time. They can only survive financially due to subsidies and other unfair advantages. So in the end, it's the consumer that ends up paying for it. The downside of course is that they take away valuable farmland from other uses like food production and biodiversity, and contribute to soil depletion, groundwater pollution and aquifer depletion. Plus the ethanol in your fuel isn't good for your engine and contributes to premature failure, leading to a need for more new cars

    I did a calculation where if we were to transition all of our energy to biofuels, we'd need about 5 Earths.

    The only place where intentionally growing biofuels makes energetic sense is in highly productive tropical sugar cane (like they do in Brazil), but I'd argue that the land there could be better used for other purposes.

    Artificial photosynthesis in my opinion would be a game changer. The ability to make hydrocarbons directly from air and sunlight would completely change our future. Currently, solar panels only produce electricity and turning that into chemical energy isn't very practical. So if there was any avenue that deserved to be top priority in alternative energy research, my vote would be artificial photosynthesis.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 11:18am

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    photosynthesis and biofuels

    drbrucedale
    You make a lot of sense. Could you recommend a nice review article to read?  There is so much information out there to wade through.......

    On this topic of biofuels as a competitive energy source I note that:
    1. plants have about a 1% efficiency of conversion of sunlight to chemical energy
    2. chemical industrial processes have about a 10% efficiency of conversion of feedstock chemical energy to purified fuel such as diesel or gasoline or alcohol.
    3. chemical motors have about a 30% efficiency of conversion of chemical energy from purified fuel to work

    So, biofuels have an efficiency of about 0.01% to 0.1% for use of sunlight.  This is BEFORE accounting for all that fertilizer, chemical plants, tractor use and energy wasted in manipulation, transport and conversion.

    In contrast to those incredible inefficiencies:
    a. very cheap (and still getting cheaper) solar panels convert 20% of sunlight to electricity.
    b. that electricity is transported fairly effortlessly to sites where it is needed, including rail/high speed transport.
    c. motors that convert this electricity to work are about 80% efficient (much higher than chemical liquid fueled motors) .

    If you can manage to use this energy during times of sunlight activity (noting that 5% sunlight remains during periods of high rain-compare this to the 1% efficiency of photosynthesis-) then solar electric is on the order of 100 - 1000 times more efficient than biofuels.  I note that production and installation of solar panels is increasing exponentially and remember CM's explanation of the exponential function....

    The key here is to use extremely cheap and efficiently produced electricity  when it is available.  If you can modify your lifestyle to use energy when it is being made, you can have an energy rich life with EROI that are 10X higher than present and on a par with old fashioned oil wells.  You can modify most appliances (heat pumps/washing machines etc.) to do this.  No one is considering this path.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 11:22am

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    For the good of the country

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 11:34am

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    Genesis of the Great Reset?

    A group of architects and engineers are doing the science that unequivocally demonstrates 911 was a hoax to bully people into accepting the path we're on now, see their excellent, science based approach at www.AE911truth.org.

    The smoking gun is that WTC 7 came down at the same time and wasn't hit by a plane. Once you see the footage of a building under controlled demolition and compare it to the WTC its impossible not to see the link. Then you take it from there.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 12:08pm

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    WTC7

    Ann, there's a way too long discussion of WTC7 and WTC in general, and the troofers (AE911truth.org) here: https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/book-review-the-mysterious-collapse-of-world-trade-center-7/.  There is a far better refutation of those conspiracy theories in:  Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts.  Of course most here will mock that well researched and peer reviewed book, but they haven't read it.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 12:30pm

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    genesis of the great reset

    Thank you Ann with home-grown egg.

    I see that this is only your 3rd recorded post in over 10 years and would like to see more.

    This prompts my observation that very few people are of rational mind and are capable of responding to facts or for that matter, any reality check.  I have a good engineer friend who called me a conspiracy theorist and refused to listen about a third building because he had learned from reliable sources that only two buildings fell that day.......  We are already in dark ages and need to collaborate with each other and perhaps avoid the non-rationals....  remember what happened to clear headed thinkers in 1930s Germany.  I think that we need to run away or go underground-stay away from FB/google/twitter/smart phones/5G and work on "occult" ie. "hidden" wealth production, be that egg production, energy production etc......

    The majority of people have been exposed to truth but refuse to think for themselves.  I am convinced that this is a heritable physiological difference that requires a different strategy to cope with as pointing out facts and logic to the 95% who are non-rationals, does not work.  At some point we get burned along with the books,, metaphorically speaking.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 1:43pm

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    Funny Doug.

    I generally don’t feed the trolls, but OK I will this time. I have read that book. I can’t find it, but I have it somewhere. I bought it something like 15 years ago. It never said anything about building seven. And it was from popular mechanics, certainly an unbiased publication. Ha ha. There’s a whole lot more data that’s come out in the past decade or so and therefore if you’re basing your argument on an outdated book I’ll give you a pass. Here’s a link to help you: http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/676-debunking-popular-mechanics.html

     

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 2:51pm

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    Tycer

    You may have read it.  It was first published in book form in 2006 and was updated in 2011.  I have the latter edition and it has a whole chapter devoted to WTC7.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 3:43pm

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    With you AnnInVancouver :)

    ...and I'm with the University of Alaska Fairbanks Structural Engineering Department on this one.

    "This is a study of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) — a 47-story building that suffered a total collapse at 5:20 PM on September 11, 2001, following the horrible events of that morning. The objective of the study was threefold:

    (1) Examine the structural response of WTC 7 to fire loads that may have occurred on September 11, 2001;
    (2) Rule out scenarios that could not have caused the observed collapse; and
    (3) Identify types of failures and their locations that may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

    The UAF research team utilized three approaches for examining the structural response of WTC 7 to the conditions that may have occurred on September 11, 2001.

    First, we simulated the local structural response to fire loading that may have occurred below Floor 13, where most of the fires in WTC 7 are reported to have occurred.

    Second, we supplemented our own simulation by examining the collapse initiation hypothesis developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).

    Third, we simulated a number of scenarios within the overall structural system in order to determine what types of local failures and their locations may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

    The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse.

    The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building."

    A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 3:58pm

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    2retired said:

    One of the rationals for the structural collapse (of the world trade centre towers) was the change away from asbestos fire insulation of the steel columns (because of it's hazards if it's dust was inhaled and you were a smoker as well), which happened part way through the construction of the world trade centre. The steel columns loose their strength when heated, which occurred at the level where the asbestos sheathing stopped, during construction, and changed to a more environmentally sanctified product (but ineffective); which was the level were structural failure occurred.

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 6:56pm

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    Bheithir, with regards to your comment to LesPhelps

    Have you considered the possibility that your niece was eating an unhealthy vegan diet rather than a healthy one?  I observed this phenomenon many times.  I also observed unhealthy vegetarian diets, unhealthy paleo diets, etc.  Within any diet type, there are a wide range of foods and food preparation techniques one can select from that can render the diet more healthy or less healthy.

    It's not as easy to get enough protein on a vegan diet as a meat, egg, and dairy based diet but it certainly can be done.  Also, if you've read the research, you will find that the scientific literature has steadily downgraded the numbers as to how much protein one actually needs.  Also, protein requirements vary substantially with age, intensity of workload, pregnancy, injury, debilitation, etc. and a host of other factors.  In addition, bioavailability of protein changes depending upon the degree to which the protein is denatured.

    The closest animals to humans are primates and most primates eat very little meat.  Chimpanzees only have 9 days a year on average when they eat any meat and meat comprises only 3% to 6% of their diet.  Their preferred food is fruit.  Orangutans are much the same but eat even less meat.  Again, their preferred food is fruit.  Gorillas almost never eat any kind of meat.  Again, their preferred food is fruit.  They will also eat protein containing leaves.

    As an example of humans eating protein containing leaves, consider moringa.  The leaves are very nutritious and very high in protein.  All these primates are incredibly strong compared to humans and don't seem to suffer from any protein deficiency eating a largely to exclusively vegan type diet.  Every wrestle with a gorilla?  I doubt you would find him weak as a result of protein deficiency.  He is many times stronger than a strong human male (8 to 10 times stronger according to different sources) and can kill a leopard with a single blow.

    As a personal example, I am following an almost exclusively vegan diet now and, after getting rid of a little excess fat, maintaining body weight, even with cancer.  The great Hindu wrestlers of the 19th century were largely vegetarian and were extremely strong and had incredible muscular endurance.  Similarly, the Taoists who brought us the Shaolin temple and kung fu were vegetarian and were incredibly fit.  There have been numerous examples of modern day athletes who were vegan or vegetarian who outperformed all their peers, from Hank Aaron to Dave Scott.

    I would guess your niece just needed to be wiser about her food selection and combinations, eat higher quality foods, and eat a majority of her foods raw.  Her body would have no problem extracting protein from nuts, seeds, fruit, and vegetables, even with them being uncooked.  Grains and legumes would generally need to be cooked but eating some of them raw is a possibility if they are sprouted and proper sanitary measures are followed.

     

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 7:32pm

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    Bheithir, with regards to your comment to me

    To my knowledge, the reason that our Paleolithic ancestors were larger (at least certain selective populations) was assumed to be because of higher nutritional quality of their diets, not just their protein and lipid intake.  But that is hypothesized and, to my knowledge, not necessarily proven (but I'd be interested in any scientific literature you might be aware of to the contrary).

    Yes, the skeletons of giants have been found and also noted in the Bible with the examples of Goliath and the inhabitants of the Promised Land before the Israelites occupied it.  One explanation in the Bible is interbreeding between humans and non-humans (i.e. the Nephilim).  Evidently though, evolution didn't work out too well for them as they are gone, just like the giant dinosaurs and other giant animals are gone.  So is stature a measure of  greater fitness for survival?  It would not seem so.

    In addition, the Bible cites great life spans in times of antiquity (with Methuselah and Noah being examples who lived over 900 years) but these life spans gradually declined over time.  One possibility is a decline in DNA repair mechanisms over time.  There are different theories including the water vapor canopy theory which have been proposed to explain this phenomenon.   Similar mechanisms may also have been involved in creating the taller statures.

    Yes, people were much more fit and trim not too many years ago.  Look at pictures of people during WW2.  It was hard to find an overweight person.  Growing up in the 1950s and 60s, in my grade level, there was only one boy I can recall who was overweight but nowadays, he'd probably be considered about average.

    The brain fatigue you experience with prolonged computer work is very real but a different type of fatigue from that of physical exertion related to the musculature.  It is more related to depletion and exhaustion of certain neurotransmitters.  Plus, the brain consumes a good portion of the body's energy so if you are using it a lot, you will be more fatigued.  George Jetson was not a malingerer, lol.

     

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 7:48pm

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    2retired, that argument sounds suspiciously like it was manufactured after the fact

    And there was much more incontrovertible evidence suggesting that this was not a straightforward structural collapse from the fire.  But let's say, for the sake of argument, we accept it as being factual (cough, gag).

    Is that the explanation they proposed for WTC7 as well?

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  • Wed, Nov 04, 2020 - 9:19pm

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    pjsorgi said:

    Puts a lot of companies out of business insurance companies, hospitals, big pharma, etc. I find it amazing that the Health and Service Industry is one of the USA's largest industry.  Taking care of sick people is big money so they just make more people sick.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 1:15am

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    Companies don’t have to cause people to get sick

    Our sedentary life styles, excess processed sugars and over sized portions are doing that for them. Push back from the table a get out and move. The forced lock down and remote work is making people exercise even less than they were before!

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 4:37am

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    Re; Structural fires

    One of the rationals for the structural collapse (of the world trade centre towers) was the change away from asbestos fire insulation of the steel columns (because of it's hazards if it's dust was inhaled and you were a smoker as well), which happened part way through the construction of the world trade centre. The steel columns loose their strength when heated, which occurred at the level where the asbestos sheathing stopped, during construction, and changed to a more environmentally sanctified product (but ineffective); which was the level were structural failure occurred.

    Leaving aside the arguments, which are significant, that structural fires lacked the necessary oomph to soften the massive quantities of steel involved, lets turn simply to the exothermic potential of those fires.

    A stick of wood only has so much heat to give when burned.  That's it's exothermic potential.  Ditto for a unit of carpeting, a stuffed file cabinet, or a computer monitor.

    Also leaving aside the arguments, which are significant, that the fires never reached their full exothermic potential due to a lack of sufficient oxygenation (as evidenced by the black, not white, smoke pouring out) we can safely calculate that the relatively few floors that burned for just a few hours only had so much heat to contribute.

    Which leaves us with the blazing hot pits of rubble that were recorded as high as 1160 (!!) degrees F a full five days after the collapse.

    This is from the USGS which did a thermal imaging fly over.

    Note that A and B hot spots are building WTC 7 and C-G are WTC I and WTC II.  They are glowing hot.

    When they calibrated their devices against known radiative emissions they came up with this:

    (Source)

    In other words, a full five days after the collapse and the fires having been snuffed out by that collapse (after all, piles of of carpet and paper really don't burn well underground lacking an oxygen source) there were still recorded heat signatures in excess of what any known office fire could have produced under ideal circumstances let alone having to heat up a solid, buried mass of structural steel and concrete measuring in the hundreds of thousands of tons.

    It's 100% impossible to account for the massive exothermic release required to heat such a mass due to the burning of office-related items.  It's a very simple calculation to perform.

    This is simply inorganic chemistry and physics.  Super basic.  Not even remotely open to question.  The exothermic release is too many standard deviations away from what's possible.

    And once you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

    Also known as common sense.

     

     

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 5:30am

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    sources, please

    Chris,

    If  you are going to make claims about the science behind COVID-19 treatments and medical consequences, I would appreciate it if you used the conventional style for scientific writing and cited your sources for each statement.  I think this is particularly important when you are arguing an alternative view. In particular, I'm unclear on why you've changed your view and are now saying that COVID-19 "is not an especially dangerous disease".  As I told my father, while the mortality rate is going down as we learn how to treat the disease, it still has a mortality rate at least 10x higher than the flu (Johns Hopkins assessment as of 10/2020).  But, like polio, the mortality rate is not the only concern.  The evidence for long term damage to major organ systems is accumulating, as described in this  piece based on the published literature (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6).  I tend to agree with the statement you made in one of your earlier videos: "We don't want to get this virus."  Lastly, the conspiracy you describe would require that a massive majority of scientists, health department staff and other medical professionals all agree to participate in deceiving the people across the globe.  What would be the purpose?  I just don't think that big pharma is that powerful.  The oil industry is equally powerful and they are taking a big hit as a result of the pandemic.

    Despite my skepticism, I would be interested in reading the papers that you are using as the basis for your claims about  the virus and alternative treatments.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 5:52am

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    Re: Sources Please

    Despite my skepticism, I would be interested in reading the papers that you are using as the basis for your claims about  the virus and alternative treatments.

    Well, this bothers me.  You know why?  Unlike virtually every other source of news and information out there, I actually take the time to list every source.

    Beneath every single video is a list of links.  There they all are.

    Which means your request to "provide your sources" is actually the request to "Chris please spend your time doing something for me so I don't have to" which is a ridiculous request.

    I've already taken the time to source everything.  How is this not already enough?

    Instead, I might propose, a super-duper welcome response/request from you would be "hey, you have a ton of information out there and I'm noticing that it would be better if it were all collected into a single place.  I bet you're busy.  How about if I collected and organized all of those links for everyone's benefit and posted them here?  Would that be appreciated?"

    To which we'd all respond, "hell yeah!!"

    As always, if something isn't to your liking, the best approach is to fix it.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 6:14am

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    Sorry, Les I must disagree. My Niece who we adopted when she was 12, turned Vegan when she was 16, after she got a job and could afford it, she is now almost 19 and has had to start consuming milk and small amounts of meat. She look horribly unhealthy. I told her when she started this that she was going to have a hard time with enough protein on just vegan.

    Go back and read my post.  I did not say vegan.  You can eat unhealthy and be vegan.  A vegan restaurant near me has an obese cook.

    The difference is, you can’t eat significant portions of animal products and be healthy.  They contain cholesterol, trans fats and animal protein.

    Yes, I lumped animal protein with cholesterol, because it is almost as bad.  The thing is, cancer cells proliferate rapidly, when supplied with animal protein, where they get anemic, to use your words, when confronted with plant protein.

    Think for a second.  Elephants, giraffes, buffalo and, yes, gorillas get plenty of protein from plants.  But you never see a gorilla subsisting on donuts.

    The human need for animal protein is a myth that is now strongly subsidized.  ”Where’s the beef!”  “Got milk?”

    A real dietary issue today is fiber.  97% of people in the US are fiber deficient.  The average fiber intake is less than half of the RDA.  Fiber has nutrients that are digested in the small intestines.  Meat does ugly things in the small intestines.  The great apes are herbivores, with long intestinal tracts, to slowly digest plants.  Put meat in these tracts and it starts to go rancid before it finishes it’s journey.

    There is a lot of clear science that has been done on nutrition over the last few decades.  It’s available if you look.

    A bigger question than animal protein is this.  Is the Western diet the granddaddy of all addictions?

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 6:43am

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    Effects of long-term vegan diet

    @ao
    Have you considered the possibility that your niece was eating an unhealthy vegan diet rather than a healthy one? I observed this phenomenon many times. I also observed unhealthy vegetarian diets, unhealthy paleo diets, etc. Within any diet type, there are a wide range of foods and food preparation techniques one can select from that can render the diet more healthy or less healthy.

    This is a good point and it may play a role -- you can eat super-unhealthy vegan all the way to healthiest-possible vegan (i.e. no soy, no high-carb, no unhealthy vegetable fats i.e. lots of coconut and olive oil, all organic, etc). However, if you observe the Youtube vegan scene you'll observe the same thing: even if eating among the healthiest vegan food, after a few years they end up with unsurmountable health problems, and eventually decide to eat meat and feel infinitely better within a single day (examples abound, probably more than half of the Youtube carnivore scene are ex-vegans). A vegan diet for most people is a slow starvation diet. Even the most nutritionally-advanced ones like Gojiman don't look great, frankly. A few extremely spiritually advanced people like Teal Swan and Magenta Pixie may be able to pull off a vegan diet for many years but that would be because they're mostly feeding off prana i.e. they are becoming breatharians. As we move up towards 4th density, we increasingly relax our beliefs about our 'external' energy requirements and can work more with the idea of a very light (rather than dense) diet ("lightness of food", as Bashar puts it).

    It's not as easy to get enough protein on a vegan diet as a meat, egg, and dairy based diet but it certainly can be done. Also, if you've read the research, you will find that the scientific literature has steadily downgraded the numbers as to how much protein one actually needs.

    Yes, though it's really more about absorbability and usability. Plant proteins are not great in this way for many people who have damaged guts. I know a few people who can't even eat vegetables without experiencing some serious GI distress over the next day or even days. People like Gojiman have produced highly advanced ideas to try to heal these conditions like SIBO and leaky gut, but the only thing that seems to work if you have GI issues is eating animal protein.

    The closest animals to humans are primates and most primates eat very little meat. Chimpanzees only have 9 days a year on average when they eat any meat and meat comprises only 3% to 6% of their diet. Their preferred food is fruit. Orangutans are much the same but eat even less meat. Again, their preferred food is fruit. Gorillas almost never eat any kind of meat. Again, their preferred food is fruit. They will also eat protein containing leaves.

    As an example of humans eating protein containing leaves, consider moringa. The leaves are very nutritious and very high in protein. All these primates are incredibly strong compared to humans and don't seem to suffer from any protein deficiency eating a largely to exclusively vegan type diet. Every wrestle with a gorilla? I doubt you would find him weak as a result of protein deficiency. He is many times stronger than a strong human male (8 to 10 times stronger according to different sources) and can kill a leopard with a single blow.

    Yeah that's very true, we actually need only small amounts of absorbable protein. But there's a big difference between gorillas and humans in terms of eating plants. The human great ape's digestive tract is quite anomalous (whether due to Anunnaki modification or something else). As commenter '400-Rabbits' wrote here [can't post proper link]: "It's not just the bacteria, it's the whole system. Breaking down plant matter takes a long time, even if your gut has evolved to do so. All herbivores have an extremely long gastrointestinal tract, compared to humans, to do just this. Gorillas may have the same basic parts (stomach, small & large intestines) as all the great apes, but the length of the whole tract and relative importance of the components are different. In particular, the gorilla colon is massively more important to than ours is to us, as that is where the actual fermentation of the plant matter occurs. We'd have to radically alter our entire digestive system to get the same results, not just recolonize our guts." And 'exitthewarrior' adds: "I'd like to throw in that animals like gorillas also have a larger cecum than humans, which helps them to digest the cellulose. Humans have a very small cecum, which is why we don't get the energy from fiber that gorillas and other animals that are primarily (or wholly) vegetarian can. Not only do we lack the correct bacteria, we lack the right "hardware" to digest it as well."

    Aside from proteins, we need saturated fats in particular. Vegans have a great source of it called coconut oil, but it's pretty much the only one.

    As a personal example, I am following an almost exclusively vegan diet now and, after getting rid of a little excess fat, maintaining body weight, even with cancer. The great Hindu wrestlers of the 19th century were largely vegetarian and were extremely strong and had incredible muscular endurance. Similarly, the Taoists who brought us the Shaolin temple and kung fu were vegetarian and were incredibly fit. There have been numerous examples of modern day athletes who were vegan or vegetarian who outperformed all their peers, from Hank Aaron to Dave Scott.

    The mind can do anything. Those people would be closer to breatharianism, they don't/didn't have a ton of mind programs like we have in the West (such as the idea that we need to eat several times a day or need x number of calories). They can sit down and concentrate/focus and probably survive for months without eating anything. Also, you're saying vegetarian, where you now have eggs (the perfect proteins and fats, and cholesterol and choline and B vitamins) and dairy.

    A vegan diet is a HUGE boost to health IF you're switching from a Standard American Diet or similar toxic diet. But after something like half a year to 5 years, you'll likely start running into trouble, due to developing nutrient deficiencies.

    And if you want quick physical proof of what I'm saying, watch sv3rige (ex-vegan carnivore, though he's nuts)'s Epitome of Malnourishment series.

    There are many ex-vegans who explain this very well, e.g. PrimalEdgeHealth is a great channel from another ex-vegan carnivore/keto.

    @LesPhelps
    The difference is, you can’t eat significant portions of animal products and be healthy. They contain cholesterol, trans fats and animal protein.

    Those are all required to be healthy, they are not things to avoid at all. You don't know about the cholesterol scam yet?

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 6:57am

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    Long-term vegan malnourishment

    Here's the link to the reddit thread (above post might disappear if I post it in it).

    And here's one video in the Epitome of Malnourishment series (it's harsh but it's true):

     

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 7:06am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    @Blue Marble

    Blue Marble,

    You must be new to this site. Chris meticulously cites his sources in every video. And the sources he lists are most often scientific studies from major academic institutions and medical establishments around the world. Not only that but he often analyzes those studies. He critiques the protocols of the studies based upon his own background in science. He then argues his conclusion in understandable terms based upon those analyses. Just look at a couple of the videos and you'll see for yourself.

    As far as conspiracies are concerned, I think that most thoughtful people now know that the events supposedly going on in the world are simply not what they are presented as being. For instance, just look at Chris' article on the Lancet's retraction of the "study" on hydroxychloroquine. The fact that that study was even published in the first place was a major scandal. The "evidence" supporting the "study" was apparently a complete, but carefully constructed, fabrication. Even the editors of the New England Journal of Medicine - in talking about the Lancet's retraction - stated, in essence, that it is increasing difficult, if not impossible, to prevent Big Pharma from committing fraud against the medical establishment and the populace. In essence, the editors of the New England Journal of Medicine were conceding that conspiracies against the public welfare not only exist, but they are almost impossible to defeat.

     

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 7:06am

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    Tycer

    It turns out there is a way to reconcile your memory with the timeline of events.  In 2004 Popular Mechanics (PM) began investigating the conspiracy theories emerging about the 9/11 attacks.  The first article emerging from that investigation appeared in the Magazine in March 2005.  PM found no evidence to support the conspiracy theories, but did find that facts cited by the theorists had been deliberately twisted.  Of course that first article unleashed a flood of criticisms and accusations from the theorists.

    "These attacks ranged from the preposterous (it was said our magazine had published this investigation on orders from a cabal of Masons and Illuminati) to alarming (death threats were referred to our security department)."

    This response led PM to compile its articles and further findings into the book Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand up to the Facts, (Debunking) the first edition of which was published in the summer of 2006.

    In the foreword to the 2011 edition of the book, PM Editor in Chief James B. Meigs,  responded to the AE911Truth book you cited by noting that David Ray Griffin, the author of the book failed to answer a fundamental question: "But he never explains how a magazine - much less a major corporation - could possibly convince its employees to help cover up the most notorious mass murder in our nation's history."  By employees he was referring to 30 editorial staffers plus dozens of freelance contributors.  I have asked that question a number of times here without receiving an answer from any of the supposedly knowledgeable folks on the subject.

    At any rate, NIST released its final report on WTC 1 and 2 in October 2005.  the 2006 edition of Debunking may well have not discussed WTC7 to any great extent because NIST was in the midst of its three year investigation into the subject.  That investigation was concluded in 2008 with findings that differed from its 2004 initial hypothesis.  So, this timeline could explain why you do not remember the book discussing WTC7.  The 2011 edition of Debunking, as noted earlier, contains a chapter devoted to WTC7 including NIST's findings.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 8:40am

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    Cherry picking, petty and silly. Done with you.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 9:14am

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    Re: Petty and silly.

    Just ignore him. Most here do now.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 9:25am

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    lawfare vs physics

    Chris-

    I suspect that Doug's experience is more on the "lawfare" side than the "physics" side.  He will never be able to respond to the merits of your argument.  So his fallback is to quote a magazine that has a name he trusts.  "May I have this marked as Exhibit Z-9, The Very Reputable Magazine?"  Same thing with Bezos WAPO, WMD-in-Iraq NY Times, etc.  "This Very Reputable Newspaper."

    Of course if you've ever made a campfire, you know that wood can't burn for 5 days at 1200 degrees and melt steel.  Especially once you cover it with dirt!

    So when lawfare tactics meets common sense physics - anyone who has any practical knowledge just finds it absurd.  But I suspect, that's the terrain he's used to fighting on, and so you go with what you know.

    And these days, how many people have really made a campfire?  And cooked with it?

    Just a guess, of course.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 9:40am

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    tbp, just a few comments

    As far as I know, there is no dietary requirement for cholesterol.  Your body usually does a very good job of synthesizing all that you need.  I recall a young man who had a stroke in his late 20s from a genetically caused hypercholesterolemia.  He was on a zero cholesterol diet yet his bad cholesterol levels were sky high.  That being said, I am well aware of the fact that ingesting dietary cholesterol does not necessarily elevate your bad cholesterol blood levels.  I was a walking, talking example of this fact since I was always a big egg eater yet my blood lipid numbers were fine.

    I also understand that we are different from the great primates but they are the closest animals to us genetically.  Gorillas, for example, have huge canines yet are essentially vegan, an interesting paradox from the evolutionary perspective.  But we have modern technology.  I wouldn't spend all day munching on moringa leaves but I can purchase a powder of ground up and dehydrated leaves that are quite easy to digest.  In fact, I am eating a barley grass product that is extremely healthy that obviates me chewing on all that grass yet preserves the nutrients in raw form.  I wouldn't spend time eating enormous quantities of high fiber vegetables and fruit (although I do eat a lot of all different types) but I can use a juicer to extract some of the most important nutrients that are much more easily digested and assimilated than consuming a voluminous quantity of vegetables.  It's always a matter of BALANCE ... not too little, not too much and that includes fiber.  One can only handle so much.

    By the way, it may interest you to know that many people with GI issues who have had problems with vegetables and were warned off of them by their doctors, are able to eat them in short order when gradually phased in that direction with juicing.  One needs to be aware also that it may be chemical contaminants in the vegetables that are causing problems rather than the vegetables themselves.  Hence the importance of consuming home grown or vegetables from a known, chemical free source.

    I do get my vitamin B12 from a high quality dessicated liver source since its benefits have been well established with blood building.  What a lot of the carnivore promoting crowd seem to forget is that organ meats are much preferred over muscle meats.  Wild animals will typically go for the organs before the muscles.  Many aboriginal tribes, including the pre-European colonization Native Americans, valued the organ meat over the muscle meat.  The muscle meat was dried to make things like pemmican but was not as valued as something like heart.  The difficulty nowadays is the toxicity found in so many organs.  Livers and kidneys often have many toxins.  Brains can have prion disease.  And so forth.

    I also recognize the difficulty getting certain nutrients like Vitamin D3 but that is even a problem for omnivores.  Sunshine is obviously the best source but not available to many of us at sufficient doses year round to be of much use.  Plus, in my age range, the conversion process in the skin is not as efficient.  So I supplement with a high quality cod liver oil, a food based source of vitamin D3 plus an excellent source of DHA, also difficult to obtain from a vegetarian diet.  I also supplement with K2 but that is extracted from natto (which I do not care for as a food).

    That being said, I've never witnessed anyone curing cancer, MS, or RA on any kind of meat based diet.  But that has occurred repeatedly with individuals on the right kind of vegan diet and possibly, the right kind of vegetarian diet.  With regards to a vegetarian diet, I love eggs and they are a superb source of nutrition (especially with regards to the quality of the egg protein, albumin and certain nutrients in the yolk) but I can't ignore the very strong correlation and the apparent causation related to egg consumption with regards to prostate cancer.  This may well be due to the arachnidonic acid in the yolk, not the cholesterol.  Arachnidonic acid is a big trouble maker for cancer and any kind of inflammatory issue.  Then there is the issue that if you cook eggs, you are denaturing the protein.  If you don't cook them, there could be certain bacterial infection risk (although that is low for the most part).  If you separate the yolk from the white, there are certain problems with that although I forget the exact details.  It may have had something to do with biotin.  If you eat the yolk, there is the aforementioned arachnidonic acid problem.  Then there is the issue of what have the chickens been fed.  Very, very few eggs sold in this country do not come from chickens fed GMO soy and other potentially harmful feeds.  A friend who researched the issue very thoroughly was only able to find one supplier in the country and those eggs cost a fortune.  And so, to simplify things, I am just avoiding eggs.

    Our children were breast fed and then weaned to organic raw goat milk and did not have the problems most other children have with drinking cow milk.  But, by and large, there are a multitude of problems related to adults consuming dairy, even cultured or fermented forms.  My eyes were first opened to this years ago when I read Don't Drink Your Milk by Frank Oski, MD.  So there goes dairy.

    I like fish and seafood and still will occasionally eat some wild sourced fish but we know the potential problems with mercury, radiation, dioxins,etc.  Thus, I will largely refrain from them.

    The video on the problems with vegans was, with all due respect, absurd and also contained a fair number of inaccuracies related to vitamin A, plant fiber, gray hair, etc.  It showed a lot of over the top, mentally ill people (especially that REALLY crazy misanthrope), certainly not the healthiest examples that are out there.  It'd be like showing people who have lost a fortune in the stock market and then making the case that one should never invest in stocks.  Generally, your information is very good and much appreciated but you fell short with that video.

    I'm not averse to eating an animal food on infrequent occasions but during a healing/cleansing phase, it is best to avoid such food completely.  One has to be cognizant of one's latitude and climate (both outdoor and indoor), biochemcial individuality and genetics, seasonal cycles, phase in life, etc. in terms of how one adjusts one's eating.  It is not one size fits all yet the advantages of a whole foods plant based diet for the vast majority of the time are undeniable.

    I do a lot of deep breathing exercises, ground frequently, get negative ion exposure by surf and falling water, drink healthy water, and get as much sun exposure as is safe and as much fresh air as possible, all of which are other sources of "nutrition" of sorts.  Maybe I'm on my way to being a breatharian.  I've joked with my wife repeatedly about this.

     

     

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 9:44am

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    Dave,

    I don't know what to believe about 911.

    The whole thing struck me as suspicious from day one. The official story is simply not very believable. On the other hand,  I have never heard an alternate story that was very believable, either.

    But it happened and there must be some story behind it. What that story might be, I just don't know.

    But I agree with you on this. Popular Mechanics is an interesting magazine. I used to read it myself. But I would not trust it as a source of definitive proof on 911.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 10:07am

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    two planes, 3 buildings

    Mike-

    Yeah.  I'm simpler.  There were 2 planes, but 3 buildings fell.  I just can't get over that.  I can't explain the details of just exactly how it all went down, but that's what I fall back on.

    3 buildings, but only 2 planes.

    I don't care about Very Reputable Magazine lawfare exhibits.  A wood fire still won't melt an I-beam, no matter how many Reputable Magazines you throw at me.  Wood fires don't melt my camping gear, or my pans on my gas stove, or my knives forks and spoons, or the metal coathanger I use to roast my marshmellows, so a wood fire melting some structural I-beam seems ... "really unlikely."  And then the wood fire burning for 5 days straight?  Really, really unlikely.

    I can't tell you how they did it.  But they did it.  Whoever they were.  For whatever reason.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 11:32am

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    any diet can lead to malnutrition

    Hard to know where to start. Simply said, the majority of the US is omnivore and has many health problems related to excessive simple carb consumption. That data has been presented here before by a multitude of posters. When a vegan family does something truly off the wall and starves themselves or their child it makes the headlines but it is naive to think that omnivores never abuse/neglect their children or their families in this way as well.

    I can show you multiple body builders and strong man competitors and athletes who are vegan and healthy.  The diet is deficient in b12 and can be low in vitamin d and omega fatty acids (easily replaced with safe supplements and flax/walnuts etc...).  The vegan movement needs to emphasize these points and I personally have had a role in encouraging them to educate people and do so myself.  As LesPhelps points out, whole food plant based whether vegan or not is best. Some of us can't digest raw vegetables and simply need to cook.   IMHO.  That video is somewhat...biased.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 11:32am

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    C'mon Dave

    First wtf is "reputable lawfare exhibits"?

    Then you analogize campfires with 9/11?  I have lit probably thousands of campfires in my life and not one of them (or all combined for that matter) would I think is comparable to 9/11.  Where do you get this stuff?

    As I have pointed out numerous times, there is no proof melted steel ever existed at the site.

    Further, steel softens, expands and becomes pliable at much lower temperatures than it melts.

    Finally, PM relied on real experts and peer reviewed research in writing Debunking and was itself peer reviewed.  What are your sources of information?  ZH and Infowars?

    You're a hotshot finance guy.  You can afford a copy of Debunking and your reading comprehension is high enough to understand the language used.  Get out of the echo chamber long enough to read something that doesn't originate in far right world.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 11:43am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Yeah, Dave. The third building is really a puzzler, especially at the rate that it falls.

    But there are a lot of other things that just don't ring true or strike me as suspicious.

    But by the same token, I have never heard a plausible explanation for any theory of what happened.

    I don't know what to make of it all.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 11:55am

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    Yeah DF

    Don’t believe your lying eyes. A trifecta of  buildings falling perfectly and completely on their footprints (a demolition expert’s wet dream) is pure coincidence. 😂

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 12:09pm

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    Message to Doug

    If you like your deception, you can keep your deception.

    I don't think any of us who write here about 9/11 do it to convince you of anything.  I have had folks specifically message me over the years that my writings have helped them to grasp what happened and to break out of the propaganda... this is why I do it.

    Best regards to all, Jim H

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 12:35pm

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    @LesPhelps

    Fair enough, you didn't say Vegan. It makes more sense upon re-reading it.

    I know I try to make a point without being too verbose or writing a research paper, and I'm assuming others do too, but ironically when reading something or rereading my own posts, I tend to see minor technical issues. Won't call them an error, they aren't wrong, but incomplete sometimes.

    I guess someone could say I was being nit picky, but I'm not trying to be.

    I will try and add information.

    "Everybody stop eating meat, dairy and drastically reduce consumption of processed foods."

    100% Agree with the processed foods.

    "I’m not convinced we are up to it."

    As for meat and dairy, I personally won't ever stop eating/consuming them. I like them too much and I don't want to do the work making sure I get the necessary proteins from plants. Mostly I enjoy eating them, so I'm not up to it. I am up to and am implementing eating LESS meat and dairy. (I think if we all at less, that would go a long way.)

    A comment on Proteins. The essential amino acids that are needed on a regular basis is more difficult on plant only diet. Even with some animal proteins, i.e. Rabbit. If all you ate was Rabbit meat as a source of essential amino acids you would end up with a Tryptophan deficiency. I also know that when Europeans brought corn/maize back to Europe, the didn't know about "liming" the corn prior to consumption and people suffered from Pellagra. I say all of this, not to say anyone is wrong, just pointing out how far down the Rabbit hole we can go. .

    Yes, on any type of diet, if you put in more calories than you use, you will add fat to your body.

    (Some here are using "plant based" in their terminology) I guess I need clarification here.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 12:49pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Doug, I think the dispute here is one of basic trust. More and more people simply do not trust the traditional media. Such people are simply not going to believe a traditional media outlet on controversial issues like 911. They have just seen too many stories from established (and formerly trusted) media organizations which later turned out to be false or turned out to be deliberately biased or based on the say-so of experts who themselves turned out to be biased and so on.

    I have personally researched stories on geopolitics from news outlets (news outlets that I had previously considered to be trustworthy) only to find that entire articles were nothing more than carefully crafted deceptions. The stories were based upon cherry picked facts or on facts taken completely out of context or based upon experts who turned out to be in the pay of vested interests and so on. Once I got the full picture it was clear that the deceptions could not have been accidental. It would have been impossible to honestly research such stories and come up with such one sided narratives.

    And sometimes you don't even have to do your own research to develop distrust in the media. For instance, I remember one major newspaper reporter candidly admitting that "everyone in the beltway knew that the story about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction was false."

    Now stop and think about that for a second. Here is a reporter for a major news organization (this was years ago, but it was a big name news organization) admitting that he knew that the country was being led into war on disinformation - and he did nothing to stop it!

    And for God's sake, he admitted it, as if "going with establishment narrative instead of doing journalism" was not all that big a deal!

    Of course, the Iraqi war is not the only instance of it. This has happened time and time again in the past decade.

    Now some people still trust the traditional media. Most of those folks would accept your arguments as valid and dispositive. But many people have simply lost faith in anything coming out of the traditional media. People like that will never accept such conclusions as dispositive and will look try to figure out the truth behind the events of the day on their own.

    That is the world we live in today.

     

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    Artificial photosynthesis, biofuels and energy services

    Mark,

    Artificial photosynthesis is being studied now (for example at UCLA), and has been studied for at least two decades. No breakthroughs there that I know of...ditto the lack of breakthroughs after at least four decades of fusion research.

    The problem is that we don't have a better collector than the green plant for converting photons to reduced carbon. Solar panels do a pretty good job of converting photons into electricity, but electricity is difficult and expensive to store.  Reduced carbon as solids, liquids or gases is easy to store.

    Instead of thinking of "energy" it is critical to consider first the services or functions we want from energy. Those services include heat, illumination and mobility.  Heat and illumination we can get from "renewable" electricity--but with much greater expense than conventional sources of electricity because electricity is expensive to store.

    But for mobility, no one has ever found a better way of storing and using energy than as gaseous or liquid hydrocarbon fuels.  And that is how our about 75% of our energy infrastructure is set up...to handle gaseous or liquid hydrocarbons. That is why the first generation biofuels (ethanol from corn grain or sugar cane) were developed--to provide at least some of the functions of liquid hydrocarbon fuels.

    Does anyone know how to set up a separate discussion thread?  I don't want to irritate the PP crowd by hijacking this thread for a discussion of biofuels.

    Bruce

     

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 12:55pm

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    Occam's Razor

    I find myself amused and befuddled at once that I agree with Dave (even a blind raccoon finds a dumpster every now and again) and that he says "I'm a simpler" lol

    Second one has to apply Occam's Razor. In the entire history of steel and concrete construction not one building fell down due to fire. Now one has to consider this goes back to the late 1800's. How many hundreds of thousands of steel and concrete buildings were built before WTC? How many fires were there? I have no idea about the answers to those questions. I do know not one ever fell due to fire. Yet on one day three fell because of fire?

    A dull Occam's Razor slices that bullshit pretty quickly

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 1:18pm

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    MKI said:

    Don’t believe your lying eyes. A trifecta of buildings falling perfectly and completely on their footprints (a demolition expert’s wet dream) is pure coincidence.

    I'm embarrassed to say I dismissed the 911 "conspiracy theory" back in 2001 for a month or so. And hell, I'm a technical guy, I have no excuse. And it was only the absurdity of the "falling perfectly" buildings that caused me to investigate at all.

    One suggestion for all getting worked up at folk who cannot see what is so obvious to yourself? Let It Go. Get used to it! The vast, vast majority of humans literally lack the IQ to process technical data, let alone spot the complex bias and misinformation in our media and culture today. Relax. Have some pity. Say a prayer for them.

    Closer to home example: I was where Chris Martenson is at now on Covid months ago, but I never argued with him or anyone here who couldn't see it. Just like diet* or climate change, few people will find the truth as the vast majority simply lack the brains or will for this kind of thinking and so it makes sense for them to rely on the media or "common opinion" to think about it for them. And this is  not a bad plan for staying safe for most of mankind.

    Also: I always reserve the possibility "I" am the one wrong on any issue, just like I was on 911 in the first few weeks (I'm still embarrassed by this; I should have my engineering license pulled...).

    *Diet is the funniest subject of all people here like to argue about. Why? Because if you cannot easily bench press, squat, and deadlift at least 1.5X your body weight plus easily run 2 mi < 14 min...well, your diet philosophy needs help. For all you who can? Why argue at all? Let your body do the talking...

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 1:27pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Now, Mohammed, I am going to play devil's advocate here.

    When the WTC collapsed it struck me as suspicious since I had never heard of a skyscraper collapsing. When I looked into it I found out that, indeed, no steel frame building had ever previously fallen due to flames before. But when I looked into it further I found out that the World Trade Center was not a traditional steel frame building.

    Most steel frame buildings, up to that time, were based upon latticework construction. In traditional construction, a lattice of steel girders is built and then the rest of the building is connected into that basic latticework or girders.

    The World Trade Center was not quite built like that. The World Trade Center was built with a thicker core of girders in the middle of the building. From that thick core, smaller girders radiated out and, in turn, connected to other smaller girders around the periphery. It was a somewhat unique construction.

    That construction made the building less rigid. The idea (as I recall) was to allow the building to more easily sway in high winds but still remain stable. That was important (again, as I recall) considering the height of the building and the extent of the area of the building that was exposed to the wind. In any event, the history of potential collapse scenarios applicable to traditional lattice type steel building might not apply to the WTC.

    That, of course, still does not explain why the building fell at almost free fall speeds (especially the center core) nor why the building collapsed right into its own footprint (which strikes me as very strange) nor why the core (or a large part of the core) did not remain standing after the rest of the less substantial girders fell.

    (Disclaimer: I am not an engineer by trade and this post is based upon my recollection of research done years ago)

     

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 2:36pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    Bruce, I don't disagree in principle with what you're saying. My concern is the numbers behind the question of whether biofuels are remotely close to capable of filling the role you are describing, in terms of 1) Net Energy Return (EROEI). I agree that ethanol or similar products can be used to do similar things as hydrocarbons today. But if the price of that is you have to invest almost as much fossil fuels into the farming and processing to produce a gallon of end product ethanol, then it is irrelevant. And 2) The sheer size of the problem. It won't be possible to harvest that much biomass from the planet to replace fossil fuels, or even a fraction of what we currently use.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 3:13pm

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    Perhaps this is useful

    Hi Mark:

    You might find this article useful. I think it outlines both the potential and the limitations of biofuels.  The subject is really complicated, and I don't know of any easy answers.

    https://search-proquest-com.proxy2.cl.msu.edu/docview/1671122459/fulltextPDF/1D3FDE91EF4749F4PQ/1?accountid=12598

    I am open to learning from you.

    If you are likewise open to learning something from me, perhaps we can schedule a Zoom or Teams meeting to talk about these issues directly. If you would like that, then please send me a PM with an email that I can use set up a Zoom/Teams meeting.

    Best wishes,

    Bruce

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 4:28pm

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    selenomethionine

    Belated response—I hadn’t been following the thread.

    A small correction, which I don’t think has been posted.

    The selenium in selenomethionine is not chelated, but covalently bound.

    Methionine is  CH3-S-CH2-CH2-CH(NH2)-CO2H .  It is one of the 20 amino acids from which proteins are constituted. 

    Selenomethionine is the same thing with selenium, Se, in place of the sulfur.

     I don’t have any information as to what selenium compound is most useful as a supplement.

    The one I take contains selenomethionine.

    It may be that an organic selenium compound is more easily absorbed than an inorganic salt like sodium selemite or sodium selemate.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 5:29pm

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    BlueMarble said:

    Well, you've gathered your points here so to me it would be logical to include the sources--shouldn't take you extra time. I don't have time to sort through videos to look up your sources--busy with day job teaching and doing my own research. If you are presenting yourself as a legitimate, science based source, then you should follow the conventional practices of the profession.

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 6:10pm

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    BlueMarble,

    Years ago, I used to run my own website. It took a lot of time, a lot of research,  and an awful lot of editing to provide a quality product that also conveyed ideas clearly and coherently.

    It simply takes a lot of time to run a good web site. And I can tell you that it is hard, hard work.

    Can you imagine what would happen if a web site owner had to cater to everyone posting requests like yours?

    Can you imagine what would happen if a webmaster had to collate and re-post on request something they had already done?

    Can you imagine what would happen if one required the web site owner to have to do that every time someone wouldn't even take the time to click on a couple links and find it themselves?

    Can you imagine what would happen if the owner of the site had to engage in ongoing bulletin board arguments with posters, every time someone was unhappy with the site's posting?

    I'll tell you what would happen.  The owner of the site wouldn't have time to run the web site. The website would end. That is what would happen.

    Here's the link to the peakprosperity.com/blog.

    All the podcasts are there. They are listed in order with descriptions. Most of them are free. Click on the one you have questions about and you should find all the sources that Chris has used.

    It is really not all that hard.

    I apologize if I seem a little angry but I know from personal experience just how hard it is to run a good site.  I remember having to deal with people who wanted to engage in endless back-and-forth bulletin board arguments with me. They did not care the slightest bit about the fact that running a site is time intensive - even just to post decent articles. It not only detracted from my willingness to run a site but it ended up destroying the site and taking it away from all the people who genuinely loved it.

    Chris and Adam do such a good job that I actually pay to subscribe to this site. It is the only site on the entire internet to which I subscribe. I do that because they are damn good at what they do. And they should not have to deal with unreasonable requests like the one you are making.

     

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 6:59pm

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    selenomethionine

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    Unlike most things such as sulphur and carbon, selenium that goes into the body ends up getting reduced.  Thus selenite is mostly converted to trimethyl selenonium ion which is very non reactive and comes out in the urine. (I probably have a research paper somewhere where I reported this). I always used selenite (oxidized form of selenium) to feed animals and they had no problem using this dietary form to synthesize their selenoproteins from......
    selenomethionine is so similar to methionine that many enzymes such as transfer RNA synthases will actually substitute one for the other, but I am not aware of any problem from this.
    Most of the selenium in your normal diet possibly comes from selenocysteine which exists in animal protein in proteins such as glutathione peroxidase (again, covalently bound as you pointed out for selenomethionine).  This is actually a 21st amino acid coded for by the genes (one of the stop codons is borrowed to code for this amino acid, and although I dont know the details I would expect that other other environmental factors such as nearby sequences help the ribosome distinguish this use for this unusual amino acid.

    A few months ago when selenium was promoted here at PP as an important anti covid agent, I asked an old selenium research buddy who is still publishing in this field and he was not enthusiastic about benefits from taking selenium for covid.  A more detailed account is somewhere in one of the threads.
    Yes, too much selenium can be a problem, but not something to lose sleep over in my opinion.  Taking some selenium supplements is not reported to kill anyone that I have seen.  Maybe you can correct me.
    Best wishes
    Marvin Motsenbocker Ph.D.

     

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  • Thu, Nov 05, 2020 - 7:15pm

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    Tonight's video direct link please.

    You tube continues to hide them from me for up to 24 hours.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 1:18am

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    objection

    Office fires don't cause skyscrapers to collapse.  Except on 9/11.

    Towering infernos yes, but building collapse?  Maybe you can point me at one.

    Don't know what else to tell you.  Perhaps you have a Very Reputable Magazine that can explain away this singular historical event to the jury.  Hundreds of skyscraper fires, some of them really bad, and the only building-collapses happened on 9/11.

    That, and: 3 buildings, but only 2 planes.

    I still can't get over that one.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 5:59am

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    To eggs or not to eggs

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    tbp, just a few comments

    As far as I know, there is no dietary requirement for cholesterol. Your body usually does a very good job of synthesizing all that you need. I recall a young man who had a stroke in his late 20s from a genetically caused hypercholesterolemia. He was on a zero cholesterol diet yet his bad cholesterol levels were sky high. That being said, I am well aware of the fact that ingesting dietary cholesterol does not necessarily elevate your bad cholesterol blood levels. I was a walking, talking example of this fact since I was always a big egg eater yet my blood lipid numbers were fine.

    I also understand that we are different from the great primates but they are the closest animals to us genetically. Gorillas, for example, have huge canines yet are essentially vegan, an interesting paradox from the evolutionary perspective. But we have modern technology. I wouldn't spend all day munching on moringa leaves but I can purchase a powder of ground up and dehydrated leaves that are quite easy to digest. In fact, I am eating a barley grass product that is extremely healthy that obviates me chewing on all that grass yet preserves the nutrients in raw form. I wouldn't spend time eating enormous quantities of high fiber vegetables and fruit (although I do eat a lot of all different types) but I can use a juicer to extract some of the most important nutrients that are much more easily digested and assimilated than consuming a voluminous quantity of vegetables. It's always a matter of BALANCE ... not too little, not too much and that includes fiber. One can only handle so much.

    By the way, it may interest you to know that many people with GI issues who have had problems with vegetables and were warned off of them by their doctors, are able to eat them in short order when gradually phased in that direction with juicing. One needs to be aware also that it may be chemical contaminants in the vegetables that are causing problems rather than the vegetables themselves. Hence the importance of consuming home grown or vegetables from a known, chemical free source.

    I do get my vitamin B12 from a high quality dessicated liver source since its benefits have been well established with blood building. What a lot of the carnivore promoting crowd seem to forget is that organ meats are much preferred over muscle meats. Wild animals will typically go for the organs before the muscles. Many aboriginal tribes, including the pre-European colonization Native Americans, valued the organ meat over the muscle meat. The muscle meat was dried to make things like pemmican but was not as valued as something like heart. The difficulty nowadays is the toxicity found in so many organs. Livers and kidneys often have many toxins. Brains can have prion disease. And so forth.

    I also recognize the difficulty getting certain nutrients like Vitamin D3 but that is even a problem for omnivores. Sunshine is obviously the best source but not available to many of us at sufficient doses year round to be of much use. Plus, in my age range, the conversion process in the skin is not as efficient. So I supplement with a high quality cod liver oil, a food based source of vitamin D3 plus an excellent source of DHA, also difficult to obtain from a vegetarian diet. I also supplement with K2 but that is extracted from natto (which I do not care for as a food).

    That being said, I've never witnessed anyone curing cancer, MS, or RA on any kind of meat based diet. But that has occurred repeatedly with individuals on the right kind of vegan diet and possibly, the right kind of vegetarian diet. With regards to a vegetarian diet, I love eggs and they are a superb source of nutrition (especially with regards to the quality of the egg protein, albumin and certain nutrients in the yolk) but I can't ignore the very strong correlation and the apparent causation related to egg consumption with regards to prostate cancer. This may well be due to the arachnidonic acid in the yolk, not the cholesterol. Arachnidonic acid is a big trouble maker for cancer and any kind of inflammatory issue. Then there is the issue that if you cook eggs, you are denaturing the protein. If you don't cook them, there could be certain bacterial infection risk (although that is low for the most part). If you separate the yolk from the white, there are certain problems with that although I forget the exact details. It may have had something to do with biotin. If you eat the yolk, there is the aforementioned arachnidonic acid problem. Then there is the issue of what have the chickens been fed. Very, very few eggs sold in this country do not come from chickens fed GMO soy and other potentially harmful feeds. A friend who researched the issue very thoroughly was only able to find one supplier in the country and those eggs cost a fortune. And so, to simplify things, I am just avoiding eggs.

    Our children were breast fed and then weaned to organic raw goat milk and did not have the problems most other children have with drinking cow milk. But, by and large, there are a multitude of problems related to adults consuming dairy, even cultured or fermented forms. My eyes were first opened to this years ago when I read Don't Drink Your Milk by Frank Oski, MD. So there goes dairy.

    I like fish and seafood and still will occasionally eat some wild sourced fish but we know the potential problems with mercury, radiation, dioxins,etc. Thus, I will largely refrain from them.

    The video on the problems with vegans was, with all due respect, absurd and also contained a fair number of inaccuracies related to vitamin A, plant fiber, gray hair, etc. It showed a lot of over the top, mentally ill people (especially that REALLY crazy misanthrope), certainly not the healthiest examples that are out there. It'd be like showing people who have lost a fortune in the stock market and then making the case that one should never invest in stocks. Generally, your information is very good and much appreciated but you fell short with that video.

    I'm not averse to eating an animal food on infrequent occasions but during a healing/cleansing phase, it is best to avoid such food completely. One has to be cognizant of one's latitude and climate (both outdoor and indoor), biochemcial individuality and genetics, seasonal cycles, phase in life, etc. in terms of how one adjusts one's eating. It is not one size fits all yet the advantages of a whole foods plant based diet for the vast majority of the time are undeniable.

    I do a lot of deep breathing exercises, ground frequently, get negative ion exposure by surf and falling water, drink healthy water, and get as much sun exposure as is safe and as much fresh air as possible, all of which are other sources of "nutrition" of sorts. Maybe I'm on my way to being a breatharian. I've joked with my wife repeatedly about this.

    Great comments ao. Several years ago when juicing was the big fad I used to juice every day (organic of course)... but image-search for "fruitarian faces" and you'll be shocked. It's the best way to age as fast as possible. Fructose is a powerful liver toxin. Only 10kya we'd find sweet fruits only in some places during summertime and they had far less sugars in them than today. Fructose turns on the "fat storage" switch so that we can more easily survive the winter. You can use non-sweet fruits and veggies tho and sweeten with stevia, erythritol, and/or monk fruit (i.e. the non-toxic non-caloric sweeteners).

    It's often initially the "chemical contaminants in the vegetables that are causing problems rather than the vegetables themselves", but once the damage is done, fibers can cause irritation of damaged gut tissues. Witness the Youtube vegan scene and the expert-most vegans trying to fix these problems in the sick vegans who are "threatening" (desperate) to go meat-eaters again seeing the success of so many ex-vegans. Gluten, pesticides, heavy metals (that caused the damage in the first place) can be worse still.

    With your supplementation, you'll probably do well with a vegan diet for years. I'd take low-dose selenium with the cod liver oil due to mercury concerns (same if eating large fish).

    Hmm, didn't know about the supposed link between eggs consumption and prostate cancer development... this article suggests it's actually another statistical trick (scientific fraud), because "only 199 out men out of 27,607 developed advanced prostate cancer. That’s just 0.72 percent," yet it was reported as "81 percent increased risk of developing advanced prostate cancer" (and others agree)... i.e. the same tactics used to create the cholesterol scam. Note that most cancer research orgs are totally compromised, as is the cancer industry in general. I think it's more likely that they know that eating eggs decreases your risk but put together fake studies to try to show the opposite. Hell I hope that's true LOL, because I take citicoline and phosphatidylcholine as nootropics from time to time, aside from eating a lot of organic eggs.

    According to Dr. Mercola, the main thing to avoid is sugar/fructose/grains/carbs, trans fats, processed meats, pasteurized dairy products, but not eggs or meat (ideally organic though). He also says that according to latest statistics from the American Cancer Society, only 14% of men who develop prostate cancer will die from it. Not sure if you're of the type who gladly eats burnt meat (I'm not), but as Dr. Mercola wrote in 2009, "the consumption of tomatoes, cauliflower, broccoli, green tea, and vitamins including Vitamin E and selenium seemed to lead to a decreased risk of prostate cancer. Consumption of highly processed or charcoaled meats seemed to be correlated with prostate cancer."

    Arachidonic acid is turned into pro-inflammatory leukotrienes by the enzyme 5-LO, which mediates a lot of low-grade inflammation, for which you can use curcumin and Boswellia which are natural 5-LO inhibitors. You could take them with eggs! Eggs also steal biotin, but so long as you have another good source of biotin that's usually not an issue. Source of eggs is a major concern, yes, you need organic, i.e. non-CAFO non-GMO non-soy-fed non-antibiotics-laden non-growth-hormone-laden.

    Dairy is problematic for two main reasons: the lactose (as much as 85% of the world population may be lactose-intolerant; it's northerners like me who are the weirdos there), and the opioid-like milk proteins (there's also two types of caseins, one much worse than the other). Goat milk definitely superior, if you're ok with the taste.

    I agree that the video is skewed towards a certain perspective. But it's true that there are a lot of committed vegans who lose their minds over time. They didn't start out that way. The guy who made those videos is himself nuts (the kind of clown who goes to vegan fests to eat animal brains and hearts in front of them and I think he's even a flat-earthtard), so it's not to be taken too seriously, it's just to show what does happen to many vegans who remain ideologically steadfast in their beliefs despite extreme health problems.

    That's all I'm saying, be aware of the threshold between the cleansing effect of a vegan diet and when it begins to be detrimental.

    You may well be on your way to becoming a breatharian. Hug more trees, hell even take some psilocybin and talk to them! 😉

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 6:36am

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    Dave

    Yes, 9/11 was a unique event.  I know of no other event where two fuel loaded jets flew into two adjacent 110 story buildings, both of which collapsed, and one of which partially collapsed into a third 47 story building, destroying a number of supporting columns and starting fires in two large sections of the building, all resulting in collapse several hours after the planes first crashed into the two towers.  Yup, pretty unique.

    Your derisive use of the term "Very Reputable Magazine" is misleading and displays your own lack of awareness of the publications.  There are two editions of the peer reviewed book, 2006 and 2011, written by many professionals in the various disciplines of engineering in consultation with over 300 experts and just about every related professional organization relevant to tall building demolition, physics, explosives, tall building construction, aviation and aviation accidents, photography, military, security and structural engineering.  Do any of your sources have that kind of knowledge and expertise?  Try reading stuff written by people who actually know what they are talking about.

    I think, and believe me I'm not an expert, that one feature that all or nearly all of the numerous conspiracy theories share is the notion that the WTC buildings were brought down by controlled explosions.  This is simply not true and there is no proof that they were.  In fact, there is substantial objective and eye witness evidence that they were not.  Until you can accept this fact, you may not be able to accept the real accounts of 9/11.  But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to do your own research.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 7:14am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Doug, I went over to the Popular Mechanic 911 site.

    I looked at just one of the issues that I found suspicious. That was the fact that - as the building collapsed - debris was blasted out sideways at tremendous force.

    According to Popular Mechanics that can be explained as follows:

    "Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air—along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse—was ejected with enormous energy. "

    I then went to the Architect and Engineer's website for their commentary on this issue. They noted:

    • The floors were not the kind of tightly sealed, highly pressurized containers that would be required to generate overpressures strong enough to burst windows.
    • The falling mass would need to act as a flat plate exerting uniform pressure at all points. But the falling upper sections, themselves disintegrating as observed in the videos, could not exert uniform pressure.
    • Even if perfect containers and uniform pressure are assumed, using the Ideal Gas Law to calculate the change in pressure, we can determine that the air pressure would not increase enough to burst windows. (emphasis supplied)

    It was the last part that really struck me. The debris being ejected included - not just glass and dust but - steel girders. You can actually see the steel girders being blown out sideways on the videos. Some of those girders were ejected to a distance of 400 - 500 feet from the building. Now, just imagine the force needed to fling steel girders almost the length of two football fields. Popular Mechanics explains that that was caused by "compressed air." But the "compressed air" theory proposed by Popular Mechanics apparently would not even generate enough force to shatter glass. And even if it was enough to blow out the windows, then why - once the pressure escaped out the shattered windows - would the stronger and more resistant steel girders be blown such a distance in addition. The glass would have broken before the girders. Wouldn't the release of pressure from the blow out of the windows prevent the steel girders from subsequently being blown out sideways.

    There is yet another problem with the "compressed air" theory. The compressed air should have blown sideways as the floors "pancaked," but looking at the videos, it appears that some of the debris is being thrown upwards and not sideways at all.

    I am still an agnostic on the whole thing but you can see why I have real doubts about the official explanations.

     

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 7:24am

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    tbp, thanks for your comments

    There's a saying, "Eat your fruit, juice your vegetables."  In other words, the problem with the consumption of large quantities of fruit through juice is recognized as are the advantages of consuming large quantities of vegetables (using juice to consume more than one could normally consume unjuiced although unjuiced vegetables definitely need to be consumed as well).

    Also, recognize that there are definite problems with stevia if it affects fertility (which it does).  I just don't need any sweeteners.  Also, experience has shown time and time again that any time you try to game the system (nature's system) with substances such as this, problems arise, sooner or later.  You don't fool Mother Nature.

    With regards to gut irritation, the folks associated with Hallelujah Acres and the Hallelujah Diet, doctors like Joel Fuhrman, centers like NEWSTART, and many others have decades long track records of rehabilitating these folks with damaged guts when the orthodox allopathic profession, telling these people to refrain from a lot of different plant foods, has not.  As they say, the proof is in the pudding.  I'll go with success any day of the week.

    With regards to eggs, I don't know how much help 5-LO inhibitors are.  I've used various forms of curcuminoids over the years and still developed cancer.  Of course, experiments of one don't mean very much but here's something to consider.  One of the people speaking out against eggs (at least the yolks) is Charles "Snuffy" Myers, MD, one of the best medical oncologists out there (but now retired) who specialized in treating prostate cancer, cured himself of advanced metastatic prostate cancer (meaning he has considerable skin in the game), was an NIH researcher with over 250 papers to his name, and is a very smart fellow.  If he says it, I will tend to believe it.

    With regards to meat, I didn't consume processed or charcoaled meats to any significant degree.  But the research all suggests (going back to papers as early as 1897 in my research), that there is a higher rate of death among those consuming animal protein and especially meat.  The evidence is undeniable, overwhelming, and profound.  I have not found statistics regarding those who consume only fish as an animal protein source and I would suspect that they are better (although we know the multiple risks there with eating higher on the food chain, environmental contamination, farmed vs. wild, etc.) but I plan on largely refraining from that protein source as well for the time being.

    The problems with dairy include what you mention.  But there are also the problems, as I'm sure you recognize, with what they are fed such a hormones, anti-biotics, etc.  They are also the various insecticides, rodenticides, etc. used on their feed.  In addition, the chemicals used to wash their udders are a problem.  But beyond even that, it comes down to milk being for babies and cow milk being for cow babies.

    With selenium as with every other nutrient, I prefer it to be food based.  And so I consume a couple of Brazil nuts daily for that requirement.  It's not precise but I will take my nutrition in food form over synthesized form any day of the week.

    In terms of Mercola saying only 14% of people with prostate cancer die, that is probably true.  But I have advanced metastatic cancer metastasized to the bones and the pelvic lymph nodes along with multiple pulmonary emboli from the cancer so I distinctly fall into that category of having a high chance of dying (with a 5% 5 year survival rate).  And since the number of men having prostate cancer is very high and growing, 14% of that number is a very large number (larger than the number dying from COVID19).  Also, it's a whole different game to approach this issue theoretically (as you are doing although I thank you for your help) as opposed to experiencing and battling it first hand.  That all being said, I remain very optimistic of surviving longer than most based upon what I am doing, how I am feeling, and results thus far.

    I like Mercola and most of what he says although I think he is borderline hypochondriacal and definitely obsessive-compulsive  But with regards to "fruitarian faces", have you seen him lately?  I am a bit older than him and have cancer but definitely look better than him.  He doesn't look healthy.

    I appreciate your comments about the cleansing effect of these type of diets and recognize they are different from the long term effects of a diet.  The Diamond diet with only fruits in the morning hours, a diet I played with back in the 1980s, had definite positive cleansing effects but I recognized that it was not good for me as a long term diet.  For me, I will use the diet I am on to, hopefully, become cancer free and then, perhaps, re-introduce a few of the most pristine animal protein sources on a very limited basis.  I definitely recognize that I was consuming too much meat, eggs, and dairy previously.  As I already have noted, I am continuing to use two very pristine sources of animal nutrition; a very small amount of organic, hormone and pesticide free, grass fed, free range, desiccated Argentinian beef liver for the vitamin B12 and the best quality fish oil for DHA, vitamin A, and some (but not all) of my Vitamin D3.

    For me, any particular diet is a lifestyle choice that should be based upon best available evidence but it isn''t a religion.

    Thanks again for your helpful comments.

     

     

     

     

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 7:44am

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    another objection

    Another objection.  I get it.  You're the defense attorney.  That's your job.

    Turns out, the North Tower didn't "collapse into" WTC 7.  Some debris from North Tower fell on WTC 7.  That started an office fire.  Eventually, WTC 7 utterly collapsed, looking for all the world like a controlled demolition.  All because this office fire started by the debris from North Tower was able to melt The Most Important Steel Beam Ever.  That's your story, and you are sticking to it.

    [I know.  Defense attorneys often have guilty clients, and so the stories you have to tell can get "a little bit improbable."  But as we know, everyone is entitled to a strong legal defense.  I'd sure want one, if it were me.  Maybe I'd even pick you to defend me!  You do an excellent job, making a really improbable event sound reasonable.]

    I've had a lot of campfires.  No steel beams ever melted.  They didn't even bend.  Not from a campfire.  And no other skyscrapers ever collapsed due to an office fire.  Just this one.

    I come back to this:

    3 buildings, but only 2 planes.

    • Bomber Gap
    • Missile Gap
    • Operation Northwoods
    • Tonkin Gulf
    • Babies in Incubators
    • Two Planes Destroy Three Buildings
    • WMD In Iraq
    • Russian Collusion

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 8:19am

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    refraining from plant foods

    With regards to gut irritation, the folks associated with Hallelujah Acres and the Hallelujah Diet, doctors like Joel Fuhrman, centers like NEWSTART, and many others have decades long track records of rehabilitating these folks with damaged guts when the orthodox allopathic profession, telling these people to refrain from a lot of different plant foods, has not. As they say, the proof is in the pudding. I'll go with success any day of the week.

    My functional medicine doc has me trying a low FODMAP diet (low in fructose, lactose, some sugar alcohols, some complex saccharides).  The foods to avoid or limit include most fruits, some non-leafy vegetables, some grains (esp. wheat), some nuts and seeds, any dairy with significant lactose, etc.  It has made a difference in my digestion - much less gas and healthier looking poops.  I have not yet tried adding foods back in to see which specific foods may or may not be a problem.

    Thoughts?  Comments?

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 9:01am

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    Dave

    "Turns out, the North Tower didn't "collapse into" WTC 7.  Some debris from North Tower fell on WTC 7."

    Tom-a-to, tom-ah-to.  Whatever "debris" fell took out 25% of the depth of the building over about a third of the south face to a height of 10 floors spawning out of control fires from floors 7-9 and 11-13.

    "All because this office fire started by the debris from North Tower was able to melt The Most Important Steel Beam Ever.  That's your story, and you are sticking to it."

    That isn't my story, you are misstating my story.  I have often said that there is no proof of any melted steel at the site.

    "I've had a lot of campfires.  No steel beams ever melted.  They didn't even bend."

    You stick steel beams in your campfires?  That never would have occurred to me.

    But my point, that you haven't addressed, is the controlled explosions.  They still didn't happen.

    Mike, Those buildings were pretty tightly sealed for weather control if nothing else.  Not airtight, mind you, but fairly tight.  Debunking didn't say they expelled steel beams, just concrete and debris.  I read somewhere that 95% of the volume of the towers was air.  That's a lot of air being forced out quickly as the buildings collapsed.  I can't do the calculations, but common sense suggests a lot of stuff was blown out.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 9:33am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Doug,

    You are ignoring the calculations by experts saying that the pressure - even if the rooms had been perfectly sealed - would not have been enough to even blow out the windows. Here is the quote:

    • Even if perfect containers and uniform pressure are assumed, using the Ideal Gas Law to calculate the change in pressure, we can determine that the air pressure would not increase enough to burst windows. (emphasis supplied)

    Doug, when you say, "I can't do the calculations, but common sense suggests a lot of stuff was blown out" then you are doing the exact same thing you accuse skeptics of doing, i.e. ignoring the science.

    And, yes, the Popular Mechanics' article only explained the expulsion of dust and debris, not steel beams. But that is the whole point. You can literally see steel beams being blown out and landing hundreds of feet away from the building. It is on video. If - as a matter of scientific calculations based upon established scientific principles - "compressed air" could not have blown out the windows, how can it explain the steel beams being blown out?

    It can't. So what blew them out?

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 10:25am

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    We learn over time

    I don't hold it against a person for learning more over time, experience, and study and be able to change and learn from new information . I would actually consider that a sign of intelligence.

     

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 11:44am

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    AE911

    Mike, a bit of advice.  Don't trust AE911 troofers.  They get so much wrong, one would think they lie a lot.  Oh, that's right.  They do.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 11:57am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Well, I have not seen any example of that yet.

    Honestly, I have no dog in this fight. I am undecided about the whole thing.

    However, I have visited the PM site a few times and it does not impress me as much as the Architects and Engineers. In any event, I am always careful about any information that I get unless I see with my own eyes.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 12:00pm

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    ideal gas law

    Mike-

    Doug, when you say, "I can't do the calculations, but common sense suggests a lot of stuff was blown out" then you are doing the exact same thing you accuse skeptics of doing, i.e. ignoring the science.

    He is great at making arguments and introducing Very Reputable Magazine Articles into evidence.  Can he answer the questions you have on his own?  I think he needs to bring in an expert witness for that one.

    Some great evidence from you though.  Better than my "3 towers, but only 2 planes."

    I remember the Ideal Gas Law. Is it too nerdy to say it was one of my favorites?  For some reason, PV=nRT just sticks with a guy.  Or in this case, P=nRT/V.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 12:57pm

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    Doug, as has been said many, many times

    WTC7 is the smoking gun.  The damage to it was asymmetrical and considerably less than what occurred to WTC1 and WTC2 yet the collapse was perfectly symmetrical in its footprint at free fall speed, dropping first in the middle (with the penthouse) just like it would with a controlled demolition.  Then there were the explosions heard beforehand.  With regards to the fires, there was no jet fuel in WTC7.  And the diesel fuel bunkers did not ignite despite being destroyed in the collapse.  And then, what about the nano-thermite?  The fact that NIST said regular thermite couldn't cut through those beams when several guys did it in their backyards on YouTube videos has to have you questioning what nano-thermite would do and why residue was found there.  I could go on and on.  Have you read or watched the debunking of the debunkers?  The coincidences and anomalies with the entire event are piled higher than the buildings themselves were.  I'd really, really have to stretch my imagination to believe the official narrative as opposed to the questioning theories.  Also, I really have to wonder why you so tightly embrace the official narrative and can't seem to entertain even the slightest deviation from it or questioning of it.  Why is that?

    I have another question for you.  Do you believe the official narrative (i..e the Warren Commission findings) of the JFK assassination?

     

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 1:45pm

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Okay, now I am going to take the other side of the argument on 911.

    People allege that the planes and the fires did not bring the buildings down. They say it was only meant to look that way. Actually, they say, it was really a controlled demolition done by some nefarious state actor, such as the intelligence community.

    Here is my problem with that.

    If someone was actually going to blow up these buildings with the intent of having people believe that the destruction of the buildings was caused by the planes, why then would they blow up the buildings in such a way so as to make it look like a controlled demolition.

    It seems to me that if you wanted to hide the fact that the building was demolished from the inside, you definitely would not make it look like a controlled demolition.

    But it does look like a controlled demolition, especially WTC7.

    Imagine that someone or some agency - who wished to blame the destruction fo the buildings on the planes - was skillful enough and connected enough to surreptitiously get bombs into that building.  Why would they plant the explosives in a way that made it look like a controlled demolition? If they did that, everyone would say, "the planes didn't do that, it was a controlled demolition. Someone here is lying."

    And that, of course, is exactly what a lot of people are saying.

    That is why I say that I can't make any sense of 911. The official story doesn't make any sense and the alternate stories don't make sense either.

     

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 1:49pm

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    Re: Many, many times

    ao said: "I really have to wonder why you so tightly embrace the official narrative and can't seem to entertain even the slightest deviation from it or questioning of it. Why is that?"

    Doug, I am pretty confident that you are smart enough to have figured WTC7 out by now. So it's down to  you having an ironclad erroneous belief system or you're just lying.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 6:38pm

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    PhilH said:

    Mike,

    Back in the 1980's there were conspiracy theorists pushing the concept of one world order and the trilateral commission.  I'm in Detroit area, and we had a talk show host that was all over spreading this conspiracy nonsense.  I believed it to all be a bunch of hooey...

    Not anymore.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 6:47pm

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    Doug - you're a special sort

    As I have pointed out numerous times, there is no proof melted steel ever existed at the site.

    You mean except for all the evidence I have provided, sourced, - wouldn't you know it! - right from the 9/11 exhibit hall itself!

    An impeccable source you HAVE to trust.  More than the horribly deficient Popular Mechanics even because, well, it's tangible evidence.

    So I will provide the evidence ONE MORE TIME.  If you ignore it one more time, and then claim no evidence has ever been presented you will have, once again, revealed yourself to be an unreasonable debater, unable to hang with the varsity team.

    There it is.  Proof beyond melted steel.  This is melted concrete, fused to a gun, found in the basement of WTC 6 of all places...a building that didn't collapse and definitely wasn't hit by a plane.

    Yet somehow experienced an exothermic event requiring a MINIMUM of 3,500 degrees F for a minimum of 30 minutes.  That's the base temp and time for concrete turning into a molten, fused mass.

    You can argue all you want about how those poor PM editors experienced cranks and claim to have been threatened and other deflective silliness, but the core fact remains.  On display, in the 9/11 museum, is a piece of melted concrete fused around a gun barrel.

    Proof.  Irrefutable proof of a minimum temperature.  3,500 degrees F.  In a building that wasn't hit and didn't collapse.  An impossibility in Doug's version of things, yet here it is.  On display.  Oops.

    "Objection your honor!  This cad is bringing data to the trial and ruining my carefully guarded beliefs!  This is unacceptable!!"

     

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 7:38pm

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    Trade Center Steel

    I am an engineer, with an expired Professional Engineering License (nearing retirement, no longer need the license), with a lot of experience on steel.

    Trade Center steel is an HSLA.  It is completely plausible that the fires generated from jet fuel could very easily weaken the steel, and quickly.  High Strength Low Alloy steel is a forced change in material grain structure.  Heat reverts that grain structure and weakens the material...

    Having said all that, cognitive dissonance sets in with the absolutely perfect collapse of both buildings, and then bldg 7 being a complete mystery.

    Something that has always bothered me, if our government is willing to destroy multiple buildings, and kill thousands of people, then as a society, we are truly finished.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 7:49pm

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    MKI said:

    If someone was actually going to blow up these buildings with the intent of having people believe that the destruction of the buildings was caused by the planes, why then would they blow up the buildings in such a way so as to make it look like a controlled demolition. It seems to me that if you wanted to hide the fact that the building was demolished from the inside, you definitely would not make it look like a controlled demolition.But it does look like a controlled demolition, especially WTC7.

    Mike, you've answered your own question. Clearly, they didn't have to, so why bother? They know from long experience that even with  irrefutable evidence in broad daylight (like UAF or a CM provides here) you, and the vast majority of less-intelligent people will, forever argue official line (without pay). It's human nature, I guess, to trust the PTB and defend them. So why would the Mossad  (or whomever) do any extra work? You prove they made the right call. Sure, at 10-20% of us aren't fooled, but most know how to keep our mouths shut in public. But it's quite funny watching demo experts stare at the public blurting, can't everyone just "see" it's an obvious professional demo?

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 8:15pm

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    QB, if it's working for you

    I'd stick with that diet.  If it stops working, then I'd consider taking it to the next level with the Hallelujah Diet.  The original book I read that got me on the path was God's Way to Ultimate Health by George Malkmus but I just received Unravel the Mystery by Ann Malkmus about treating cancer with the Hallelujah Diet approach.  Although, as the title says, it is focused on cancer, it is also one of the best prescriptions for all around total health that I've ever read.  The amount of information contained therein is overwhelming.

    Have you ever tried raw vegetable juicing?  Carrot juice is foundational and celery juice helps with alkalinization of the system while cabbage juice is useful for healing gut issues but get some guidance on the process.  Raw Vegetable Juices by N.W. Walker is the classic book on the subject.

    To jump start the process, you could try a health retreat.  The Hallelujah Diet folks have a week long retreat for $2500.  Expensive?  Yes, but these experiences can often be life altering.  I know someone who had serious congestive heart failure and was given less than 3 months to live.  His wife took him in a wheelchair to NEWSTART and he left there walking on his own two feet.  When I worked with him, he was 15 years down the road from this healing experience and doing amazingly well.

    I attended a 2 week long holistic health "camp" of sorts with the purpose of learning more to help my patients.  But I got so much out of it personally, from the classes, from the other participants, and from the experience, that I often say I think it saved my life.  It certainly did transform it for the better.

     

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 8:21pm

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    Social Conformity

    This is the nub of the problem:

    but most know how to keep our mouths shut in public

    Most don't know (or care) and those who do (or have doubts) are silent.  I certainly refrain from discussing 9/11 in polite company and feel a coward for it.

    How is this social conformity enforced so effectively and how can it be challenged?

     

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 8:24pm

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    MKI,

    I disagree on two basic points.

    First, if you read the other posts I have written on this topic you will see that I do not "forever argue official line."  Not even close.  See, for example, my posts 129, 133, 148, 153. Each one of those post shows that I don't buy the "official line" at all. In each one of those posts I argue why the "official line" simply does not make any sense.

    Second, and crucially, since the Kennedy Assassination, Americans have developed a deep distrust of the government. That distrust has gotten deeper with each passing year. Government insiders and intelligence agencies know that this is an increasing problem. More and more people simply don't believe the government at all.

    Since that is so, if the government was indeed a participant in a false flag terror attack against the American people, then they would, of necessity, try to make it as convincing as possible. They would try to leave no doubt whatosever that the event was an attack by a foreign entity or terrorist. And they would try to make it airtight. Thus, if they were actually going to blow up these buildings with the intent of having people believe that the destruction of the buildings was caused by the planes, they would never allow it to look like a controlled demolition.

    And just how hard would it be to avoid the appearance of a controlled demolition? Not hard at all, I imagine. Just don't plant explosives on all sides of the structure. Just put them on one side so the building doesn't fall into its own footprint and look like a controlled demolition.

    But it does look like a controlled demolition. And that just simply doesn't make sense.

    What are we left with?

    The official story doesn't make sense and the false flag story doesn't make sense either.

     

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 8:26pm

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    MKI said:

    PhilH, thanks for commenting. My PE hasn't expired, but I've little experience on steel, so you helped me verify a few things. Question: Do you agree, then, that you can see no way Building 7 could have melted the steel like that and the NIST report is must be propaganda? And have you read the UAF report?

    Something that has always bothered me, if our government is willing to destroy multiple buildings, and kill thousands of people, then as a society, we are truly finished.

    I think this is a little naive, and we are long from finished. It's just business-as-usual. There is no "our government". Rather, there are just a bunch of individuals mixed up with foreign powers. Sheese, just look at what 911 resulted in - we invaded 7 countries in the next few years! Now that's results. A lot of other countries (namely Israel) benefited greatly from our military actions. Not to mention billions of US dollars spent. Lots of people got very rich. Lots of nations benefited. What's not to like? Heck, nearly a hundred members of Congress are dual US-Israel citizens, making it practically a patriotic duty for them to go along. So the odds seem good to me that 911 was Mossad-engineered with inside US help. But it could have happened a dozen different ways.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 8:27pm

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    2retired said:

    If there is fault with building codes (banning asbestos fire insulation for inferior products) or design deficiencies that have been approved (caged steel towers). There are almost no lengths officialdom will go to, to blame something/someone else. Almost everything in modern offices and buildings burns, creating high temperatures, releasing a lethal mix of toxic smoke.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 8:29pm

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    Phil

    Having worked in demolition and construction for almost 50 years, I can say I have never seen any building "collapse" at the speed of near freefall that was not a controlled demolition. Not only that if as you say HSLA steel softens at a lower temp (please provide temp and duration figures specific to the steel in WTC) the fact is the HS part is HIGH STRENGTH. I cannot in any way imagine that there would be no  vertical resistance  I also have a difficult time imagining how with no fires below how the steel would have "softened and failed. " My understanding is that there were many different types of steel used with various thicknesses related to the height. Perhaps you could address those issues in some detail.

    Also the fuel tanks were not full. Most of the fuel would have been burned up in a very short time, perhaps a couple of minutes, maybe less due to the explosion. How long would it have been necessary for the fire from the fuel to weaken the steel?

    Thanks

    BTW The the lead engineer was confident that the buildings were designed to  withstand the impact of a 707, the largest plane at the time. Was he wrong?

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 8:32pm

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    "if our government is willing to destroy... and kill thousands ... then as a society, we are truly finished"

    PhilH said: "if our government is willing to destroy multiple buildings, and kill thousands of people, then as a society, we are truly finished."
    I note that 9/11 happened many years ago and things are only worse now.

    I seems that many people thinks that "we" are "truly finished."
    I would love to hear what others with such conviction are going to do, now that we are truly finished.

    Who is swimming perpendicular to the riptide and where exactly are you going?  I  walked away from my own law firm on K street and even now, people who used to be good friends treat me extremely badly as a traitor to all that is good, when I give them my reasons.  It doesnt do any good to talk reason and logic with blue pill eaters, which seem to be the majority of people.  This riptide will only get worse, now that google and facebook won the election. So what will you do or where will you go to escape the riptide?

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 8:37pm

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    2 retired

    The codes for fire in the WTC were very strict. Everything that was combustible had to meet the highest standards of fire resistance. About the only thing burnable were papers and the people and their clothes.

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 8:37pm

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    PhilH, i hate to break it to you but

    Most governments, including the USA's, have been perfectly willing to sacrifice large numbers of their citizens for various and sundry reasons.  Read about Operation Northwoods.  Ask any man on the USS Liberty.

    I had a patient who was one of a group of soldiers used as experimental subjects at one of the very earliest atomic bomb tests.  They were only several miles away from ground zero while the bigwigs viewed it all through thick leaded glass in a bunker 7 miles away.  The soldiers had their backs turned to the blast with their hands over their eyes.  He said, when the blast went off, he could see through his hands and see all the individual bones, like he had X-ray vision, with his eyes turned away from the explosion.  And he said it felt like someone slapped him on his back with a giant hand.  Immediately afterwards, they were to test all communications systems, both wire and wireless, to see what effect the blast had.  He still had a block of wood he showed me that he had covered with aluminum foil and inscribed his name on with a nail.  The intense light had burned his name into the wood like a wood burning tool.  He was in surprisingly good health considering but was monitored annually and had gone through a bout of thyroid cancer.

    For your edification:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

    And these are just the experiments, not the covert ops, military operations, wars, etc. where many human beings are but pawns.

     

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 9:07pm

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    MKI said:

    I disagree on two basic points.

    Mike, I don't see how we disagree. I'm not commenting on the correctness of your positions or not, but on how the majority of the public simply doesn't know or care.

    I'm merely saying that whomever planned the 911 demo called it right. The whole thing is on camera, they didn't even try to hide it, and many, many smart people have demonstrated conclusively that it was a demo, entire engineering teams have laughted at the NIST report, and yet still the public won't admit what happened. Even smart guys like yourself seem to be doubting your own lying eyes and trying to explain the inexpliable. So basically, you answer your own question: the PTB can do whatever they want in open daylight without consequence. So why spend a broken nickle to hide anything?

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  • Fri, Nov 06, 2020 - 9:35pm

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    Social Conformity

    This is the nub of the problem: but most know how to keep our mouths shut in public. Most don't know (or care) and those who do (or have doubts) are silent.  I certainly refrain from discussing 9/11 in polite company and feel a coward for it. How is this social conformity enforced so effectively and how can it be challenged?

    Are you seriously wanting to challenge human nature? I refrain from discussing taboo but true subjects all the time, but I don't feel like a coward. Why should I? Why should I try to sell reality to people? Hell, the vast majority of my coworkers, family, and friends aren't intelligent enough. Even if they did care, which they don't. And why should they care? Most are just getting by.

    A democracy must be both intelligent and moral to survive, let alone thrive. The USA is neither and practically has open boarders. Heck, our nation doesn't even share a religion or a set of shared values. Now, that's gonna work! Not. Needless to say, it's every man for himself, and has been for a long time. Reality is reality.

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 5:14am

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    MKI

    LOL. I do not refrain from discussing taboo subjects all the time.

    I am in alignment with all your points about Amerikaans and human nature.

    It is every man for himself and we are on our own.

    My take is whenever there are great forces of darkness released there is a corresponding release of light. Darkness has to spread and intensify before the light is noticeable. In other words it has to get worse before it gets better. Just as the "dark ages " were followed by the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. This is the Kali Yuga and will be followed by the Satya Yuga.

    The hubris of the planners of the "Great Reset" is really quite funny. They think their plan is better than god's plan. Their plan is an imposition of top down which will be resisted and fail. The New Humanity will rise from the bottom up when humanity realizes its spiritual nature and places materialism in its true place, service to creation.

    There are signs people are realizing "something " is terribly wrong. Unfortunately it will have to get much worse before it gets better. There is no way to the goal but through suffering. That was the Buddha's enlightenment. The other piece is "there is a way out of suffering" . We may find it on our own but like the 100th monkey when critical mass is reached we will all realize it.

    Thanks for your comments

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 7:03am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    MKI,

    Okay, but I still just don't see that. Just look at Chris' site. He can't even post about hydroxycloroquine without it being censored. I am willing to bet that for many Americans, their eyes would glaze over if they listened to a technical discussion about hydroxichoroquine. But even Chris' erudite commentaries on the subject are being censored.

    Someone obviously cares a great deal that the official narrative is believed.

    So why, when a false flag killed 3000 American citizens, did the powers that be not care if the story was believable.

    That is why a false flag attack by the government is so hard to believe.

    We are to believe that the Powers-That-Be allowed WTC7 (not even hit by a plane) to go down in what looked like a controlled demolition.

    Moreover, the destruction of WTC7 was absolutely unnecessary. The destruction of the two towers would have given the Powers-That-Be plenty of very, very powerful propaganda. Destroying WTC7 was completely unnecessary.

    Not only that, they are supposed to have allowed WTC7 to look like a controlled demolition. Even worse than that they allowed it to look like like a perfectly executed controlled demolition. And as you point out, they did that in plain sight for everyone to see. And that would include many ordinary citizens who had seen controlled demolitions themselves.

    If this was a false flag, it was done with reckless disregard for the believability of the official story that "planes brought down these buildings."

    It was almost like the false flaggers were inviting an Oliver Stone movie to discredit the official narrative.

    But the same folks are so worried that Chris' articles on hydroxochoriquine might be believed, that they censor them!

    It simply doesn't make any sense to me.

    Then again, the official story on 911 makes no sense to me either.

    One thing I will concede though. Until the past few years, I had no idea of the extent to which corporate media acts as a controlled propaganda organ.  Even now, I continue to be appalled by the sheer brazenness of it. They may as well be considered a branch of the intelligence community at this point. If 911 was a false flag, whoever did it had a powerful coverup ally in the MSM.

     

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 7:56am

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    I do not refrain from discussing taboo subjects

    Sure, if it make you feel better. But it serves no practical purpose, and is even counter-productive for the average person, so why? I prefer to spend my time getting measurable results and accepting the world as it is, not tilting at windmills.

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 8:13am

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    Assertions

    Those are YOUR assertions. There are 8 billion people on the planet. Have you run a study of your ASSERTIONS to collect the data to make those FACTS? Just asking for a friend.

    Perhaps you may not have heard or believe that "the truth shall set you free"

    Being a good Catholic I would have thought you would be familiar with John 8:32. But guess not oh well.

    I will go on tilting at windmills spreading the truth as I know it to be while you .......well why bother?

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 8:29am

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    Mike from Jersey, time is in short supply for me today

    Lots to do so this post will be short and less detailed than I would like.

    Yes, the MSM is very much tied to the intelligence community.  Read about Operation Mockingbird, which is STILL in operation.  Read about Udo Ulfkotte.

    With regards to WTC7, one of the key factors resulting in that building being targeted were the records stored there, especially SEC records but also IRS, FBI, Secret Service, and other records including DOD records (just like a key DOD records area just happened, purely by coincidence, to be hit and totally destroyed by the flying object that struck the Pentagon).

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_documents_lost.html

    And just a couple of other references.  Google has "washed" most of this information from the top of searches there.  Duckduckgo is your friend.  For your edification, compare results with the search for "what records were destroyed in wtc 7" between Google and Duckduckgo.  The difference is night and day.  That should tell you something.

    http://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7/index.html

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2019/09/06/the-official-story-of-the-collapse-of-wtc-building-7-lies-in-ruins/

    BTW, Google, Facebook, and possibly other companies like Twitter were set up with the assistance of In-Q-Tel, the venture capital branch of the CIA.

    Does that tell you anything?

    Does their need to suppress information such as relates to HCQ, vitamin D, etc. tell you anything?

    The answer, to me at least, is patently obvious.

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 8:41am

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    I still just don't see that

    It simply doesn't make any sense to me. Then again, the official story on 911 makes no sense to me either. One thing I will concede though. Until the past few years, I had no idea of the extent to which corporate media acts as a controlled propaganda organ.

    The saying "fact is stranger than fiction" exists for a reason. Our mental maps are designed to save us time, so we cling to them, making us suspicious of new information and thus easy to fool.

    The hardest thing for me to get over on the whole conspiracy theory thing was how could so many people be organized to keep their mouth shut? I finally got over that by reading Ron Unz, who (with  a 160+ IQ!) had the same difficulty until he worked through it, much faster than I. Here is a good primer:

    In theoretical physics, new scientific breakthroughs often occur when known objects are found to behave in inexplicable ways, thereby suggesting the existence of previously unsuspected forces or particles. In evolutionary biology, when an organism appears to be acting against its own genetic interests, we may safely assume that it has probably fallen under the control of some other entity, typically a parasite, which has hijacked the host and is directing its activities toward different ends. While I couldn’t be entirely sure what was happening to the politics and media of my own country, something very odd and disturbing was certainly taking place.

    Things soon became much worse. Since the 9/11 attacks had apparently been organized by Osama bin Laden and he was based in Afghanistan under Taliban protection, our attack on that country at least seemed rational. But suddenly there also soon appeared talk of attacking Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, which made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    At first I couldn’t believe what was taking place, simply awed by the breathtaking power and dishonesty of “our American Pravda,” with the establishment media so easily transforming black into white and night into day. Once again, quoting from my original article of that title:

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 8:52am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    MKI,

    You wrote:

    The hardest thing for me to get over on the whole conspiracy theory thing was how could so many people be organized to keep their mouth shut?

    That one no longer bothers me. For instance, I am now totally convinced that mainstream media reporting is a rigged game. It has just become so totally obvious. And if people say to me "do you know how many people would have to be involved in such a media conspiracy?" I just reply, "hey, I know a lot of people are involved. I don't know how it is being done, but there is simply no question anymore that it is being done."

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 9:44am

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    Mark_BC said:

    We are to believe that the Powers-That-Be allowed WTC7 (not even hit by a plane) to go down in what looked like a controlled demolition.

    I have long suspected that the plane that went down in the field in Pennsylvania was meant for WTC7

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  • Sat, Nov 07, 2020 - 10:14am

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    News Tip

    Most reporters just regurgitate stories from AP and NYT. That's why it was so easy to spread the Steele Dossier around media sources, which were then referenced by one another as "independent sources" to confirm the story.

    I know this because I used to write content for an online portal for a group of sociology of religion websites that received funding from the Lilly Endowment; called "Insights into Religion," it is a portal for mostly scholarly and academic websites, but also includes a select few other types of religion-centered, Lilly Endowment supported programs. (It's gone through some changes and is now at centerforcongregations.org/blog/insights-religion.) One of the group's members is (or was) the Religion News Association (rna.org). The RNA website serves the purpose of developing story ideas, suggesting approaches to each story's subject matter, and curating select previous stories on or related to each idea. It also offers professional instruction and training, and advice on the proper terms to use for various persons and groups and their sacred practices. It even provides lists of expert organizations, professors, authors, and institutes who can provide quotes on a given topic, complete with contact information.

    In other words, for professional journalist subscribers it is a clearing house for religion reporting ideas and best practices, and serves to provide resources for reporters assigned to the "religion beat" who have no particular expertise or training in either religion or religion reporting. What it also does is shape the narrative. Everyone who uses that resource spreads the same perspective on various world religions - and that is virtually everyone, because all reporters work to a deadline and want to be respected in their profession in order to move up in the industry.

    Here's the point: No originality is required (or wanted); simply flesh out outlines and (perhaps, for the truly industrious) call a vetted source or two for a "color quote." That is all those intrepid truth-seeking reporters need to do.

    I don't imagine it's any different for any other reporter or news category.

    The power is in the hands of the relatively few people who curate the website. And they are all approved by the Board at the Lilly Endowment's religion division, who are drawn from appropriate seminaries and doctoral programs, whose body of work fits the religious worldview of pre-existing board members.

    Get it?

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 6:33am

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    Narrative control is the key

    @Mike from Jersey
    Not only that, they are supposed to have allowed WTC7 to look like a controlled demolition. Even worse than that they allowed it to look like like a perfectly executed controlled demolition. And as you point out, they did that in plain sight for everyone to see. And that would include many ordinary citizens who had seen controlled demolitions themselves.

    If this was a false flag, it was done with reckless disregard for the believability of the official story that "planes brought down these buildings."

    Don't underestimate the power of emotional manipulation. They got people to conflate their compassion for the victims and the rage with the idea of who was responsible.

    The psychological trick at the heart of September 11th, is that people confuse their compassion for the victims with their certainty about who the perpetrators are. The public was presented with instant perpetrators. The trick will most likely continue working for all future planned invasions -- looks as if Iraq is next -- so long as the public remains blindfolded by the media.
    -- Barrie Zwicker, 2002

    And, notice what you're actually saying: that it totally looked like a controlled demolition, but that it somehow wasn't, because [appeal to incredulity].

    Did you see WTC7 collapsing on TV? Certainly not after the first day. That's all that's required, control over the narrative. Look what they're trying to do now with brazenly stealing the election thus destroying American democracy. They won't succeed this time though, as EVERYONE knows, except the dumbest of the dumb.

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 7:58am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    One thing is for sure.

    If this was an inside job, they perpetrators could count on the American media to be as useless as always.

     

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 8:33am

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    melted what?

    I thought your bottom line was melted steel.  By this deflection it sounds as if you're conceding that there was no proof of melted steel existing at the WTC site.  Its good, after all this time, we can agree on something.

    You still haven't answered why the editorial staff of and the many contributors to PM would readily agree to cover up the greatest crime in American history.  What "world view" allows for that?

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 8:53am

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    Good Question Doug

    It is a question better asked of JFK.

    Unfortunately he is not here to answer it

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 9:14am

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    Nice try Doug...

    For those who might believe Doug.. don't.  Do the research yourself.

    Some Steel did melt during 9/11.. that was done using Nanothermite.  There is evidence of very high temperatures locally to some of the columns that appear to have been cut.  Directed Nanothermite cuts through steel like a knife through butter.

    May I recommend these;

    https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/videos/video/174-ground-zero-crime-scene-part-1-melted-steel-beams-and-molten-iron

    https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/videos/video/172-ground-zero-crime-scene-part-3-high-tech-incendiaries-in-the-wtc-dust

    As for Popular Mechanics.. the fix was in.. the article Doug proffers as his 9/11 gospel was written by the 25 year old cousin of Michael Chertoff, a central figure in the 9/11 narrative sausage making.  As I like to remind folks, it was Michael who shortly after 9/11 told us in a televised interview that being a 9/11 conspiracy theorist was tantamount to denying the Holocaust...

    Anyway,  the writer of this article did the research and confirmed that Benjamin Chertoff is in fact the young cousin of Michael.  What a coincidence!!!!

    But who is Benjamin Chertoff, the "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics who is behind the article? American Free Press has learned that he is none other than a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

    This means that Hearst paid Benjamin Chertoff to write an article supporting the seriously flawed explanation that is based on a practically non-existent investigation of the terror event that directly led to the creation of the massive national security department his "cousin" now heads. This is exactly the kind of "journalism" one would expect to find in a dictatorship like that of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

      https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/911%20Cover-up/popular_mechanics_on_911.htm

    Remember too, that the University of Alaska, Fairbanks ran a multi-year investigative study in an effort to confirm or deny the results of the NIST study, which famously concluded that Building 7 collapsed due to, "normal office fires".  After diligently researching every nut and bolt of the building from original blueprints, commissioning photographs, and building materials (quality) records, they put the data into two different structural engineering modelling programs and applied the known heat/fire conditions to the structure.  The result of this study?  Building 7 could not have collapsed due to the effects of heat/fire.  The only way to accomplish what was seen in the collapse was through simultaneous removal of all structural support columns.

    Read it for yourself;

    https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7

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  • Wed, Nov 11, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    Chertoff

    Yes Jim, Chertoff is quite the character. I believe he is but 0ne of many dual Israeli citizens in "our" government .

    As another follow the money game after he left government "service " he started working at a company making ? Yeah the ubiquitous Rapiscan machines. The machines that all the sheeple bleat as they go through to get on a plane.

    We just keep throwing our money in the trough and they keep slopping it up.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 1:21am

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    Jim and MM

    You are working from quite a knowledge deficit.  15 years ago, at the time of the original article, Benjamin Chertoff was head of PM's research department.  Of course the conspiracy theorists made his life miserable for a while, one of them actually calling Benjamin's mother who told him that she thought Michael Chertoff might be a distant cousin, but that they had never actually met him.  Benjamin later reported that if they were related the common ancestor probably went back to 19th century Belarus.

    So naturally the conspiracy theorist, Christopher Bollyn, penned gems like "Chertoff's Cousin Penned Popular Mechanics 9/11 Hit Piece" and "Ben Chertoff: Propagandist & Illuminati Disinformation Tool."

    Of course you could have discovered this with a little googling, but instead you relied on the 9/11 Troofers and something called jesus-is-savior.com.  Benjamin also guided PM's coverage of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and many other aviation, military and technology stories.

    Skeptics Society president Dr. Michael Shermer called the original article "the single best debunking of this conspiratorial codswallop." The books, which you conveniently ignored, greatly expanded on the original article and added whole new myths that the theorists invented out of whole cloth.  Benjamin left PM in 2007, so had nothing to do with the 2011 edition of the book.  He has gone on to become a respected photo/video journalist and video documentary producer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Chertoff

    MM, it's Benjamin, not Jim.  Unless you're talking about ex-Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff.  With his background, it is hardly scandalous that he might have had something to do with security machines, if in fact he did.  But I have nothing to back up that theory.

     

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 1:47am

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    short primer

    Here's a short primer on what actually happened on 9/11 complete with longer videos.

    11-09-07

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 4:28am

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    The Primer

    That was the dumbest shit I have read in a long time.  Thanks for posting that so I could once again be freshly convinced of the truth.

    Rector

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 5:59am

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    Keep your eyes on the prize!

    Isn't the bigger concern that it now appears from beginning to end, throughout all of America's once trusted institutions, a concerted PsyOps has been undertaken against the American public by the deep state? Most recently the elite's distain for human life is fully evidenced in our "health managers" suppression of effective Covid 19 remedies, given their overarching goal of pushing "The Great Reset." Furthmore, for those who are not completely caught up in the grips of the "captured" MSM narrative, America's election process can no longer be believed. In retrospect, it appears that 3-4 years of the Russia Hoax, was just the first attempt of the elites to remove the greatest obstacle in their way of imposing their totalitarian designs on America, which to them was the last real freedom-loving country of resistance. So now, by hook or by crook, a Biden administration appears to be inevitable, and the runway is seemingly clear for their collectivist doctrine to take off unopposed. I think the wool has been pulled over all of our eyes long enough, and it's time to metaphorically ready the pitchforks, grid our loins, and take up the battle like our freedom and our independence depends upon it. Because it probably does.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 6:53am

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    Doug, just a comment on your comment

    You obviously relied on a Wikipedia entry on Benjamin Chertoff since you took some information verbatim from the one on Benjamin Chertoff without putting it in quotes including this sentence:

    Skeptics Society president Dr. Michael Shermer called the Popular Mechanics article "the single best debunking of this conspiratorial codswallop." 

    You should also realize that Wikipedia has become an increasingly less trustworthy source.

    Here's some additional information with a slightly different twist on the issue from your post but a twist that is significant.

    http://www.911myths.com/html/benjamin_chertoff.html

    And here's the apparent genealogical connection between the two Chertoffs.  I would not at all be surprised if the mother was aware of the connection from the nature of her initial response to Bollyn.  And if Benjamin is as good a researcher as is told, I'm sure he is aware of it as well or could easily become so and was therefore being disingenuous. 

    http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83678

    I can't find the thread where I posed this question so I will ask it again, perhaps in somewhat altered form.  Do you believe that any theories or supposed facts about the JFK assassination which differed from the findings of the Warren Commission are only conspiracy theories and that what the Warren Commission presented was completely truthful and accurate?  I'd be interested in your response to this question.

     

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 7:05am

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    Doug, a further question

    With regards to 9/11, are there any irregularities that you noted related to the events of that day which cannot be assigned to either incompetence or coincidence?

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 7:33am

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    Doug, here's the 3-part documentary on 9/11 including a debunking of the debunkers

    It's been posted here on multiple occasions but here it is again, from YouTube nonetheless.  It's one of the most definitive sources of information on 9/11 that I've seen including a debunking of the debunkers.

    September 11: The New Pearl Harbor (2013) by Massimo Mazzucco

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 7:46am

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    Dearest Doug

    I left out a comma, now corrected. What I was doing was responding to JIM H when I said "yes Jim Chertoff is quite the character. With the comma in place it reads differently. I know his name is not JIM CHERTOFF DUH.

    But that is a good diversion from the fact that it does not bother you that people like Michael Chertoff use the revolving door of politics and corporate Amerika to line their pockets. That is the real scandal. It is also a bipartisan effort. FTR I opt out of the fucking machines. I always get their early so I can disrupt the TSA surveillance apparatus which is violation of the 4th amendment. I always ask for a private screening which requires 2 of the goons. The Atlanta airport is one of my particular favorites. It is loaded with former Georgia and Georgia Tech football players. Ah but I digress.

    You are clearly an acolyte of the "party line" so there is no further need to continue to point out the failure of your position. Arguing belief systems just wastes time and aggravates the pig. No I did not call you a pig. It is an analogy.

     

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 8:18am

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    ao

    I am agnostic on the JFK assassination.  Back in the 70s I knew a group of folks who were heavily into the ct and watched some of their stuff.  It was a national tragedy, but I don't really care if Cuba or Russia were involved.  The cold war is over.

    But, again, how do you view the question of the entire PM staff and contributors agreeing to cover up the greatest mass murder in American history?  No one seems to want to answer that question.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 8:27am

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    Irregularities

    Given the conspiracy theorists' fondness for rabbit holes, I decline to answer that question until you and your fellow travelers answer some of mine and actually read some of my suggested writings.  Fair is fair.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 8:33am

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    Doug, that surprises me

    A man of such strong opinions who is agnostic on one of the most pivotal events in American history?  One where most of the evidence that has emerged over the years points not to the Cubans or the Russians but to a coup by factions within our own government? 

    And if the Cold War is over, what was all the concern about alleged Russian collusion on the part of Trump?

    With regards to your statement:

    "But, again, how do you view the question of the entire PM staff and contributors agreeing to cover up the greatest mass murder in American history?"

    Where is it stated that the entire PM staff and contributors agreed to cover up the greatest mass murder in American history?  This statement seems to be a non-sequitur.

    Getting back to the question I posed above:

    "With regards to 9/11, are there any irregularities that you noted related to the events of that day which cannot be assigned to either incompetence or coincidence?"

    I'm interested in your response to that question.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 8:36am

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    Doug, just saw your (non) response

    Pose a single question for me at a time and I'll try to answer it as best as I can.

    P.S. It may be later on in the day as I have a lot to accomplish today.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 8:36am

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    defense attorney returns

    Doug has two assignments here.

    1) 9/11

    2) Podesta

    Just my sense.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 8:47am

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    MM

    Michael Chertoff was not the subject.  The wikipedia passage I copied largely agreed with what was written in Debunking about Michael's relationship to Benjamin.  There is none.  As far as I know from what I have read, they have never met and Michael's conduct of his duties while Secretary of Homeland Security is not pertinent to the 9/11 ct.  And, you and your fellow travelers have presented no evidence that they know each other.

    If you prefer to have former Georgia football players fondle you to going through an x-ray machine, that's your business.  I don't care.

    "You are clearly an acolyte of the "party line"..."

    No, I follow the evidence.  But, as you state, there is no need for you to try to convince me of your belief system.  It is a waste of time.  That's why I argue evidence and logic.  Speaking of which, can you answer the question I have repeatedly asked about the PM staff and contributors?

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 8:56am

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    Eyes on the Prize – Verschlüsselungsverbot

    Never let a good segue (IMO) go to waste.  New life to an old thread.  Sorry for the “scary” German word but if you have some familiarity with the language, the key is parsing them up, or in most cases, using an online translation.

    I was reading an article this morning and naturally that led to a bit of meandering.  I started with this one:  https://national-justice.com/european-union-moves-outlaw-encrypted-apps

    An EU council of ministers resolution spearheaded by French Prime Minister Emmanuel Macron and Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz of the conservative Austrian People's Party would mandate that apps such as Telegram, Signal, and WhatsApp provide European intelligence services with backdoor access in order to allow them to better monitor the conversations of their citizens.

    Encryption is an important tool used by dissidents, journalists and privacy conscious citizens around the world in an age of mass surveillance and strict social media censorship. Millions have started embracing the technology in the West as the rulers of the Anglosphere and Europe continue to lose public confidence and become more repressive.

    Now for the “prize” part.  I decided to check to see if the text for (Senate Bill) S.4051, aka “Lawful Access to Encrypted Data Act” was available (go to congress dot gov and search for “S.4051”).  Yep.  Interesting.  Are you an illegal actor engaged in dangerous criminal activity?  Are you not an illegal actor and not engaged in dangerous criminal activity (i.e. a private citizen that likes to keep their private information private)?  Are you a computer expert in data security and encryption, are looking for a potential opportunity to supplement your income, and be a part of your government’s mission to save us from ourselves and battle the evil doers too?  Well, here’s the deal folks.

    See, "Title VI – Prize Competition, Sec. 601. Findings."  If you don’t read anything else in this proposed legislation, just read this section and the 11 points list that are basically (in my opinion) justifying the need to do an end run around the Fourth Amendment.

    This was my favorite: "(11) That careful balancing of interests established by the Framers has continued to be calibrated throughout the history of the United States as different challenges have arisen, including, most notably, technological advances in daily life. For example, Congress has imposed additional statutory requirements that the government must meet and that a judge must find satisfied before a court can authorize interception of communications. But the individual’s right to privacy has never been absolute.”

    If you’re interested in potentially supplementing your income, read on to "Sec. 603. Prize Competition."  Please note the qualifications: you cannot be a Federal entity or a Federal employee acting within the scope of employment; you must be incorporated in the United States and a citizen of, or an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in, the United States.  Good luck and happy hunting!

     

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 9:03am

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    "And if the Cold War is over, what was all the concern about alleged Russian collusion on the part of Trump?"

    No, the love affair between Trump and Putin is not cold war.  Russia was our enemy then, not our president's favorite authoritarian.  And the cold war did not involve Russia's interference in our political affairs.

    "Where is it stated that the entire PM staff and contributors agreed to cover up the greatest mass murder in American history?  This statement seems to be a non-sequitur."

    It is not a non-sequitur.  You and other ct'ers have trashed one of the most respected debunkings of the ct with no factual basis and without reading it.  Either it is a well founded research work, or it is a cover-up.  They presented plenty of solid evidence by many of the most respected and credible sources in the country.  If you don't believe that, what do you believe and what is your evidence?  Of course, since you haven't actually read it, how could you know anything about it?

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 9:06am

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    From the Pale Horse's Own Mouth - Chips Anyone?

    Good Morning
    And today from Dr. Carrie Madej's group I find this article - direct from the horse's mouth.
    Perhaps this has already been shared so apologies if this is a repost.
    This is the source.
    https://www.defenseone.com/about/?oref=d1-nav
    This is the article.
    https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/military-funded-biosensor-could-be-future-pandemic-detection/163497/
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    A Military-Funded Biosensor Could Be the Future of Pandemic Detection

    If it wins FDA approval next year, the two-part sensor could help spot new infections weeks before symptoms begin to show.

    MARCH 3, 2020

    Why are pandemics so hard to stop? Often it’s because the disease moves faster than people can be tested for it. The Defense Department is helping to fund a new study to determine whether an under-the-skin biosensor can help trackers keep up — by detecting flu-like infections even before their symptoms begin to show. Its maker, Profusa, says the sensor is on track to try for FDA approval by early next year.

    The sensor has two parts. One is a 3mm string of hydrogel, a material whose network of polymer chains is used in some contact lenses and other implants. Inserted under the skin with a syringe, the string includes a specially engineered molecule that sends a fluorescent signal outside of the body when the body begins to fight an infection. The other part is an electronic component attached to the skin. It sends light through the skin, detects the fluorescent signal and generates another signal that the wearer can send to a doctor, website, etc. It’s like a blood lab on the skin that can pick up the body’s response to illness before the presence of other symptoms, like coughing.

    The announcement comes as the United States grapples with COVID-19, a respiratory illness that can present in flu-like symptoms such as coughing and shortness of breath. The military is taking a leading role in vaccine research, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley told reporters at the Pentagon on Monday. “Our military research labs are working feverishly around the horn here to try to come up with a vaccine. So we’ll see how that develops over the next couple of months,” Milley said. U.S. troops themselves are also at risk. A U.S. soldier in South Korea became the first U.S. service member to contract the virus, the Wall Street Journal reported in February.

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    Please note that in 2009, this Congressional Research Service Report for Congress, notes the first role of DOD in Pandemics to be Disease Surveillance - p 3. (Perhaps this  - in 2009  - was when the DOD's mandate was refined as such.  That would fit in with those thinking that 2009 Flu was a warm up.)

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R40619.pdf

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    Please also note how they do not mention "Luciferase" by name in this article but rather decribe it as 'a specially engineered molecule that sends a fluorescent signal outside of the body' .  Since "Luciferase" was discovered and named in the late 1940's (perhaps with help of the real escaped neo Nazis)....why not use its name?  Just another wierd oddity and question.

    PS to whoever called me a Neo Nazi -cannot recall -that gave me a good chuckle seeing as my ancestors were German Jews.

     

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 9:13am

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    Re: Melted what?

    I thought your bottom line was melted steel.  By this deflection it sounds as if you're conceding that there was no proof of melted steel existing at the WTC site.  Its good, after all this time, we can agree on something.

    Again, for the record, I provided proof.  Doug ignored it, as predicted.  And then pretended it was never given.

    Again, this removes Doug form serious consideration for the varsity team.

    Doug - either address the data or stop.  You are either hopelessly out of your intellectual and/or emotional depth to be of any value to the conversation.

    Thanks in advance.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 9:52am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    I am not in the least bit surprised.

    Just this morning I saw that the EU was working to enable backdoor surveillance on their citizens through apps owned by their citizens. And I am not surprised that the traitors in Congress are selling us out as well.

    We might as well face it. Brussels and Washington are not places where our representatives reside. They are places where our enemies reside.

    I have to laugh when Amazon tries to sell me Alexa.

    Is this a bad joke? Do they really think that I would want such a thing in my home? Are you kidding me?

    Just the opposite is true. I am now working on getting rid of any "smart" accessory that can be used for spying on me. I just gave away an iPad. I am deleting all apps except those I consider absolutely necessary. For the remaining items that have spying potential, I am working on putting them in Faraday Cages when not in use.

    Deny access to the enemy.

    Make that your mantra.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 10:09am

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    Occam's Razor

    Let's see...the deep state wants to go to war in the Middle East and also to create the rationale for implementing a "surveillance state" here in the U.S...and then as if by "presto magic" the Twin Towers go down. And now, the deep state wants to implement the "Great Reset," to destroy America's middle class, and to get people to cower down in fear at home...and then "Alakazam!" Covid 19 is unleashed upon the world. “The Italians having a Proverb, ‘He that deceives me once, its his fault; but if twice, its my fault.'”

     

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 12:06pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

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    I have to laugh when Amazon tries to sell me Alexa.

    Is this a bad joke? Do they really think that I would want such a thing in my home? Are you kidding me?

    "

     

    I'm amazed at how many people *do* want it.  Ive come to realize that its not in spite of the privacy violations but because of them too.    Google (I think it was them) patented some multi-room video camera service that would see the Justin Beiber poster in your bedroom and alert you when Justin was coming to play in your city.

     

    Amazon can listen for a cough and suggest a deal on decongestant.   Im worried about what happens when the 80% of people who install this shit in their houses start wondering what the other 20% of us are so eager to hide.

     

    In my hometown some woman playing fortnite with a webcam on smacked her kid upside the head and the other people in the game saw it and called child protective services on her.

     

    In Holland you need a license to install security cameras on your property because the police want to be able to demand to see your footage when investigating crimes.

     

    It won't be long before this stuff is said to have massive social benefits and the holdouts will be painted as potentially dangerous weirdos.  As always, the choice not to participate won't be respected.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 12:59pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Agreed. A lot of Americans just don't understand that having an "Alexa," or the like, in your home is dangerous.

    The Government and the Mega-corporations are not you friends.

    And it takes a sad experience before people figure it out.

    By then, it is too late.

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 1:57pm

    ao

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    Doug, where's your evidence for your assertions?

    Sorry Doug but your facts are missing.  Where is your evidence of a "love affair between Trump and Putin"?  Trump was trying to establish better relationships with Russia, relationships that had deteriorated under Obama but relationships that were important for keeping us out of war in Syria and other contentious geographical locales and especially out of possible war with Russia, something that Hillary had been agitating towards.  So once Trump's political and Deep State opponents interfered in the relationships with Russia, those relationships once again soured and pushed us back towards Cold War status. 

    Furthermore, where is your evidence that Putin was Trump's favorite authoritarian?  You are conflating diplomatic attempts to restore relationships with approval of actions.  They are two separate positions.  One has to find and establish common ground first in order to restore relationships which is what Trump was seeking.  Are you saying no attempts should have been made to improve relationships with Russia?

    You are also quite wrong about the Cold War not involving Russia's attempted interference in our political processes.  They routinely attempted to interfere in ours just as we attempted to interfere in theirs.  This has been ongoing for close to a century now, at least on the part of the Russians.  Those attempts commenced in the late 1920s with Stalin and there is clear evidence for that.  However, the most blatant attempt was in the 1960s with the Soviet Union's funding of the Vietnam anti-war protests to the order of 1 billion dollars.  There is solid documentary evidence of that action as well.

    With regards to your statement, "You and other ct'ers have trashed one of the most respected debunkings of the ct with no factual basis and without reading it.", you are again incorrect.  I did read it.  When you write "Either it is a well founded research work, or it is a cover-up." you are once again incorrect.  It is not an "either or" situation.  Surely you realize that the most effective disinformation involves mixing truth with falsehood.  This tactic was repeated used in an attempt to discredit any questioning of the 9/11 narrative especially with regards to the introduction of some patently absurd, obviously false conspiracy theories in an attempt to discredit more credible questioning.

     

    I read what PM had to say and compared it to the video I provided links to.  The video debunks much of what was stated by PM (i.e. the debunking of the debunkers that I referenced).  When I compared the information provided by each source, the video appeared the more credible of the two. Did you watch that video in its entirety?  If not, you would be guilty of what you falsely accuse me of.  

     

    So I will again pose the question, for the third time, "With regards to 9/11, are there any irregularities that you noted related to the events of that day which cannot be assigned to either incompetence or coincidence?"

     

     

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 2:09pm

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    Doug, here's another comment and question, somewhat related to the previous one

    I'm fairly certain both you and I share concerns about losses in civil liberties under the Bush and Trump administrations, whether by government edict, increased implementation of a broad based surveillance apparatus, social engineering pressures, or what have you.  Did you have any concerns or do you acknowledge any losses in civil liberties under the Obama administration?

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  • Thu, Nov 12, 2020 - 11:56pm

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    deny access to the enemy

    Mike-

    I agree 100% with everything you said.  They want to stop "end to end encryption."

    "For the children."

    Make sure to turn off your bluetooth as well.  Any access method can be an attack surface.  Minimizing attack surfaces is best practice.  Use wires when possible.

    And absolutely no CCP apps.  Just my two cents.

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 6:03am

    Mary59

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    Are iphones part of the agenda?

    Hi

    What if everyone refused to use an i phone?  Would that hamper the elitists plans?

    Life is great without one and somehow humans managed before.  Beepers and old time mobiles can serve as they used to?

    Im 61 and was just alone with the groundsman Chico, also 60 and also without a phone for a week without communications, and without transport.  We were  four hours away from a hospital. Jungles of western Panama.  No road, No communications,  No boat, No electricity.

    First thing,  with coffee, Chico told me where the big scorpians and Fer de Lance are and where the nine foot boas may be.  Don't walk off the paths.  Don't walk at night.  Don't leave food around etc.  We arranged for fisherman and other ranchers to check on us every 24 hours give or take.  We were in the wings of the hurricane also.

    I felt completey safe.  Chico has lived on the land for ten years and has grown up around there also.  He is the land and the land is him and he knows that land and each sound and each rustle of grass.  He knows the "runnins" inside out and that was what made me feel safe.

    Chico and I have never had mobiles so we did as we always did and that is to make plans ahead of time for contingency.  I had a COVID kit with me with all medicines needed.  He had a good first aid kit.

    To me, without a phone, one remains more in the here and now.  Once your face turns to a screen, you are no longer here and now, but somewhere else.

    One needs to pay attention in this life and to me that starts by being present and paying attention to what is around one.  Thus if I used a phone maybe I would be filming and not see the damn Fer de Lance that I step on.

    I know that phones are needed for alot of people's jobs and other reasons but is this part of their big trap?

    To get everyone dependent on the phones and then use the phones for their own agendas?

    I am on the laptop alot and do like it but when I leave it behind I am so glad to be off and do not miss it for a second.

    I am trying to think of ways that we can fight back as the idea that we can do nothing regarding the Great Reset does not sit well with me.

    I thought of another way last night to fight them and that is to draw people's attention to it.

    Like wearing teeshirts, getting stickers made or put banners on our cars which read.

    " Asking yourself what is going on in this crazy world?  Google the WEF's Great Reset and find out what's in store for all of us".

    We have to fight as well as insulate.    Maybe my silly little idea reaches only ten people and maybe only one of those ten people google the Great Reset, but maybe that person is someone with great influence who influences others and so on.

    Which drop is the one that fills the bucket and which drop is the one that tips it?

     

     

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  • Fri, Nov 13, 2020 - 6:42am

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    iPhone blocking

    Mary, I've been thinking about this too. I noticed there is a product on godarkbags.com for $50, but I realize that my partner and my friends are currently texting me all day, and it's the main way we now stay in communication. I'm pretty sure that at this point I'm not going to be able to change their behavior nor their expectations in this regard. Perhaps it will be good to have a go dark bag ready to go at some point, when the totalitarian nature of things starts to really kick in. Here's a link to a do-it-yourself blocking pouch:

    https://qz.com/736224/heres-how-to-make-a-signal-blocking-cell-phone-pouch-like-the-ones-protesters-are-using-at-the-republican-national-convention/

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  • Sat, Nov 14, 2020 - 7:56am

    Mike from Jersey

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Dave,

    You hit a good point.

    Phrases like "For the Children" and "National Security" and so on are designed to be magic "conversation stoppers."

    Once the magic phrase is uttered - further reasoned discourse is supposed to cease. At that point actions to "protect our children" or "ensure national security" are supposed to ensue without discussion.

    For me, once I hear phrases like that, I know that I am about to get shafted.

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