Travlin's Replies

RJE I flagged your posts 21 and 23 for the moderators.  Both violate forum guidelines with personal attacks.

Travlin

[quote=ao]

Observe what happened in New York State.  Observe what is happening in Colorado.  Various paths will be tried and those to which the least resistance is shown will be followed, to be followed up by others, bit by bit, step by step, jurisdiction by jurisdiction, year by year.  Shrinking magazine size.  Shrinking types of ammo available.  Shrinking access to ammo.  Stiffening requirements to purchase a firearm or ammo.  Having to register.  Being charged annual registration fees to pay for the cost of gun ownership administration.  Being assessed firearms taxes to pay for the effects of firearm violence.  Having those expenses gradually increase year by year.  Poor folks having to sell their firearms because of insufficient funds.  Richer folks having to trim their collections to trim their expenses.  Government buy-backs and other incentive programs to encourage handing in your guns.  Government entitlements tied to being a gun-free citizen.  Specified limited geographic zones of increased anti-firearm enforcement action to isolate resisters.  The possibilities are endless.  Soft forms of encouragement will be used followed by firmer forms of coercion and intimidation eventually followed by iron fists.  But the iron fists may not even be needed. 

Will you still keep your guns Bob when your wife or children or grandchildren are threatened.  Perhaps the threats will be soft, perhaps they will be hard.  When you are labelled "extreme" or "radical" because of your refusal to turn in your weapons, will your grandchildren be refused admission to the school of their choice?  Will they be denied credit of various forms?  Will they be denied a job because of their family ties to you?  Will they have to disavow you to move ahead and advance in life?  Or will your family members be threated with entirely legal criminal charges?  Or perhaps even illegal "brown shirt" violence?  Have you talked to your family members about such situations?  Have you discussed how you may be leveraged against one another?  Are you prepared to make the sacrifices that may be necessary?  Are you prepared to all go down together?  

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Ao

Remind me never to get on your bad side.  You have a truly devious mind. 

Actually, I think you have a deep knowledge of how devious people operate, which is a good thing, because we are up against some masters.  I’m just glad you have no desire to rule the world.  At least I hope you don’t. 

Travlin

[quote=Mark Cochrane]

Ok, I guess I'll step back from the ledge and go back to the climate thread now…..

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Like that's any safer? 

Travlin 

[quote=ao]

This video is a disgrace.
http://thegunwire.com/blog/youtube-video-maigcoalition-generals-and-admirals-demand-a-plan/
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This is a very slick piece of propaganda.  It implies that our top military leaders are united in advocating new gun control measures.  Which goes against a strong tradition of not politicizing the military.  You have to look closely at the subtitles showing rank to see they all end with (Ret).  That means “retired” but most people won’t see that, much less understand what it means.  When they verbally announce their ranks, none mentions he is retired.

As retired citizens they are free to say what they want.  But I agree it is disgraceful for them to participate in this ad.  It was produced by Mayors Against Illegal Guns; also know as Illegal Mayor Against All Guns because so many of them have been convicted of serious crimes.  New York City Mayor Bloomberg is their figure head, and they have a lot of funding from big foundations and people like George Soros.

I find it very disturbing.

Travlin

Phil

This was nicely done.  I love the way you use humor to make your points.

Travlin 

[quote=thc0655]

I don't understand the opposition to local police dept's operating unarmed UAVs.  Police dept's already operate helicopters and fixed wing planes.  Are those bad too?  What's wrong with unarmed UAVs replacing police helicopters and planes, if nothing more than for the huge cost savings?

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Hi THC

Drones are so sneaky.  You can't hear or see them.  They are cheap enough to assign one to follow you around if you are targeted.  They also have the potential to carry missles if things get really bad.  It is too much like 1984 for my taste.

Thanks for your many contributions to the site.

Travlin 

Hrunner

Thank you for doing such a nice job of looking at this question.  Your conclusions are sound.

Travlin 

[quote=MarkM]

Is it desensitization of the public to military action in our cities? A show of force, much like parking aircraft carriers off the coast of a non-compliant country? Time will tell. Any way you slice it, it is chilling and wrong and any questions about it will be answered with lies.

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The answer is "Yes" to al the above.

Travlin 

[quote=treemagnet]

That's just it….nobody wants to know.  The truth in all this crap is bad, evil, unjust….whatever.  The last six or so conversations – real conversations, ended with five people staring at me resigned to the realization that the truth is just too depressing.  How the hell are we going to proceed when folks won't talk about stuff that's "too sad" when it's the plain truth.
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Hi Treemagnet

I’m impressed you had six real conversations on this subject with at least five people.  Awareness is just the first stage.  Some will progress with time.  The rest just won’t and you can’t help that.  “You can lead a horse to water …. “  Be glad they’re listening to you and seem to agree there is a big problem.  You’re doing a lot better than many of us that way.

Travlin

JMC

I glad you saw my last message in the spirit it was intended.  You have a keen mind and I’m sure you have no trouble figuring out what makes sense for you.  I just offered suggestions you might find helpful – or not.  I think you have the ability to help a lot of people open their eyes, but they can be easily spooked.  Chris struggled with this issue for years and offers a good model for effective communication of a difficult message.

Bumpy?  No.  I thank you for a good discussion that provided insight for me.  You made good points that I will keep in mind as events unfold.

The longer I’ve been as this site the more I realize the deeper issues here are the same ones people have struggled with since we first became human.  The only new factors are technology and the scale and complexity that result.  You might find these simple offerings interesting – or not.
http://www.chrismartenson.com/forum/did-we-just-discover-sex/53040
http://www.chrismartenson.com/forum/you-cant-regulate-pirates/43491

If you feel compelled to add any posts to them I will see them.  Or you can discretely decline this opportunity and make your escape.  The latter choice is probably wiser.

Best regards.

Travlin