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I am 50 years old.
When I was born there were a little over 3 billion people on the planet, now there are 7 billion.
there have been about 4 billion people born in my lifetime [allowing for deaths], how long do you have to go back for the previous 4 billion births?
Hint. At the time of christ the world population is estimated at 150 million, less than half that of the USA today, about 7 times the population of Australia today. The 1 mile square slum in which ‘slum dog millionaire’ was set is home to one million people.
1,000,000 years is the answer. I million years ago until now there have been 4 billion births. I have read that 1 in 10 humans [homo erectus] to ever be born are still alive.
The inability of fire-fighters to internalise the exponential function is the major cause of fire fighter deaths [according to an Australian coronor investigating the Ash Wednesday fires].
Hi Damn, does this address your point?
If you read prof Bartlett’s paper which he published on this, and watch say the Kahn academy lecture on exponential functions, you will see that it doesnt matter if the rate of population change changes [it makes calculation of the doubling time harder] so long as the change in x divided by the change in y is proportial to x , or as wiki puts it,
So, as long as the populion changes at a rate proportional to its current value it is exponential growth, even if that rate of change is itself dynamic.
or… from this site, http://members.optusnet.com.au/exponentialist/Compound_Vs_Exponential.htm
Term traditionally used for positive population growth at a constant rate per period (graphically depicted by the exponential curve). The defining feature of exponential growth is compound interest. Thus a population which experiences positive population growth at variable rates of compound interest can also be said to be growing exponentially. For negative population growth referExponential Shrinkage.
Does anyone have an answer to this question?
Is the human trait of not being able to internalise the exponential function a result of brain structure or a limitiation of our brain to quickly use base 10 maths, or for some other reason?
The way I see it there are two kinds of people on this planet:
mortals [you and me]
Who do you think will amass all the wealth, influence and power?
I think that until that one central issue is addressed, ie until there is fundamental change to corporate law, we are fighting a loosing battle.
We simply must go back to a human world. Systems made to benefit every day people doing every day things.
Usery outlawed, no corporations. Sounds a little dark ages’ish, but there you go… that’s progress for ya.
[edited ps.] The movie is awesome… one of the must watch basics.
Im with you there jdownie… as soon as I read the post it thought, no thats not actually the case, they are not clueless… blind freddie can see whats happening OS, the last great depression didnt start in OZ, but it pretty much ended here, Australia was late coming out the other side.
I actually think that all those clueless zombies buying houses using the ‘$20K First home buyers grant’, might put forward a class action suit against the Govnt as the Govnt knows how bad it is going to get, yet it enticed those morons into the market with all this talk of us avoiding the global crash and free cash and first home buyers grants.
Rule one. Dont trust Governments.
Rule two. See rule one.
The root of the problem is YOU!
The root of the problem is that you are a human, and that as such you behave like a human.
Why do we behave like we do? We don’t care why. If we did, you wouldn’t be in this mess.
The denial of our human nature is, in my opinion, the cause of all the ills on the CC.
That denial defines us. Since our race became self aware, we have been in denial because we have not had the intellect to explain our nature. Now we do. But we don’t care.
When you care enough to explore your own nature and its limitations and how that drives your behaviour we will emerge from this mess.
Until then, keep stocking up on the freeze dried meals, guns and ammo [see other threads on this forum if you want to know the best gun to own]
This thread is a waste of time.
"On the subject of not becoming a victim, I’m not promoting guns as you would think; mostly I am buying them thinking they may be good investments, just like gold and other PM’s and necessities."
FFS! what you don’t see is that with guns for protection, no matter who is shot victim, perp or bystander, they are all victims. and who decides who is who… from where i stand YOU are the perp… you are premeditatively preparing to inflict bodily harm or death on another by preparing with guns for self defence.
As for becoming an arms trader to benefit from this, if you dont see that YOU are the problem, that your society is made up of individuals with your mindset and that mindset has played out around the globe, then you are more shortsighted than the talking heads this forum is all to good at panning!
You guys are very much the problem… sure you see whats coming to you, but god, with attitudes like those displayed on this thread, you deserve what you are gong to get!
Flame me if you choose, i wont be back to this thread to check in.
"That will be our point of no return and I will keep my firearm very close. "
I suspect that most, if not all, of the people posting in support of gun ownership for personal security are deluded and without ANY experience of the effects of such violence on the victim and the perpetrator… or they are traumatised by that use.
With all respect i think that this kind of thinking is what got you guys to this point. do you really want to live in a society where the bottom line isnt trust and mutual support, where it is keeping your guns close?
All i can say is that you have never seen the effects of guns, up close and personal, or you would never talk like that. Once you see the effect of that violence on another person, and once you deal with the families of the victim and you try to deal with your own emotions afterwards, you will do what you need to do to get into a situation where you never have to deal with that again. The discussion then is how do i move into a situation where i never have to look at a gun.
It is only on the TV that you see people delving into violence and coming back for more, time and time again.
I can tell you from bitter personal experience of dealing with the aftermath of all kinds of violence [i was a cop for a while back in the day] that your sickly stand in defence of guns is short-sighted and based on the false premise that to survive in a certain paradigm is worth the price of dealing with yourself once that level of violence is actually exercised.
I suspect that you have no idea what you are talking about.
[edited ps] ps. The above comments relate to gun ownership and use for personal safety. I know that hunting for food exists, i have done it and i will do so into the future… i talk of guns, short arms mainly, owned and held for personal security
It Is Not Going To Be Ok.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/20090202_its_not_going_to_be_ok/ Posted on Feb 2, 2009
" Wolin, who taught political philosophy at the University of California in Berkeley and at Princeton, in his book “Democracy Incorporated” uses the phrase inverted totalitarianism to describe our system of power. Inverted totalitarianism, unlike classical totalitarianism, does not revolve around a demagogue or charismatic leader. It finds its expression in the anonymity of the corporate state. It purports to cherish democracy, patriotism and the Constitution while cynically manipulating internal levers to subvert and thwart democratic institutions."
"He said the widespread political passivity is dangerous. It is often exploited by demagogues who pose as saviors and offer dreams of glory and salvation. He warned that “the apoliticalness, even anti-politicalness, will be very powerful elements in taking us towards a radically dictatorial direction. "
I feel better this morning in the realisation that America Inc really is dieing.
It was too big and too militarized to kill, but rejoice, the greed of its leaders combined with the gluttony and apathy of the majority of its citizens has done the job for us.
Perhaps now the world can reclaim the word FREE from the politico-babble-speak of America Inc’s ruling elite.
It will be a bad ride, but who knows, maybe it will lead to a better place, for the survivors. Over 7 mill Americans died in the great depression, or as it will be called, Depression I, or the first great depression.
I will start another thread looking for comments on permaculture and food production as a dangerous act of rebellion.
Thanks for all posts to this thread.
Here’s how it is done, riots in France. Best if its non-violent, but how do you control 1 million angry protesters?… note the very ending, the French PM says, ‘the million rioters are right to be concerned about the crisis’ He doesnt call them terrorists or attack them, then he vows to meet with union officials to discuss the crisis! He respects the anger of the people.
It is my understanding that at 38 years old, the present American Fiat currency is the oldest fiat currency of all time, out living the previous record holder by about 20 years. This has also been the only time when there has not been at least one gold backed currency in existence.
The entire world not having a gold standard is a new thing. It has not worked. It is easy, if you are younger than say 50yrs old [which i am], to think that gold is old fashioned. Well, it isn’t, it is the only true money. It is now, as it has been for the past 5-6,000 years. This is not a matter of belief. It is a matter of fact. You can choose to look the other way, however that does not change the ‘reality’.
The primary reason for the 38yr run of the present monetary system is the introduction of commodities futures exchanges. Through the virtual purchase and sale of gold and silver futures contracts, highly leveraged and wealthy central and investment banks have suppressed the competition of the fiat currency, gold and silver. .
I personally believe that by the time this present crisis, the first of many crises, is over, there will be two kinds of people. Those with gold, and those without.
However, I would rather have a loving and supportive partner beside me than a few oz of gold.
I have suggested in other posts on this site that I think Trust will be the new currency if the shtf. The best, and really the only, outcome is to have both. If you believe that you HAVE to have gold, and I would agree with you on that, then you ought to go and get some. If your partner disagrees, then too bad. Being upfront and honest about it will cause additional strees short term, maybe even long term, however you will have been true to yourself and to your relationship, and you would have the stress anyway if you didnt get the gold.
What is the use of a relationship where you can not be true to yourself? I recently went thourgh a divorce over just this topic. I am MUCH better off now [2yrs later]. My kids are too… although they dont see it quite yet, i see it in them every day.
Hard stuff. Good luck.