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    • Tue, Aug 19, 2014 - 06:50pm

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      Doug wrote:Although there

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    Although there has been discussion of questionable blog third person accounts of what friends of Officer Wilson said, I don't recall discussion of the actual eye witness accounts of the shooting, at least three of which have been recorded and are consistent with each other.  For some reason I don't seem to be able to copy links to those interviews, but if you google 'eye witness interview Ferguson' they pop up. 

    Now, why would those obscure blog entries have more weight on this thread than eye witness accounts?  Tom asked the relevant questions in post #12, all of which seem to be answered by eye witness accounts.  [/quote]

    In the absence of Wilson's side of the story directly from him (not gonna happen in an ongoing investigation), what we have to go on is the discussion on the Dana show (not an obscure blog) to hear the officer's side of the story. It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have right now.

    Now take a look at the very next post (#13) at the first link provided by Tom. Another recorded eye witness account  – who did not know he was being recorded – that disputes the others and seems to corroborate what was discussed on the Dana show. This was taken minutes after the shooting before even the ambulance arrived.

    We'd all like it to be cut and dried, but clearly it is not.

    As far as how much weight to put on anything being reported, that is up to the individual. Personally I'd rather have more data points than less.

    • Mon, Aug 18, 2014 - 10:54pm

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      Thanks Tom

    One question – I understand no power on skin since it was beneath clothing, but wouldn't hair be easily tested for residue? 

    • Mon, Aug 18, 2014 - 09:44pm

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      HughK wrote:P.P.S. I would

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    P.P.S. I would not consider testing positive for marijuana as evidence that Wilson was justified in shooting Brown.  I saw a pretty sizeable amount of marijuana be smoked during my years as a whitewater kayaker, and many champion freestyle kayakers and snowboarders smoke marijuana.  It never seemed to cause violent behavior, in my experience.  Also, marijuana stays in one's system for about 30 days, so it's a very easy drug to test for, in spite of being among the least powerful of illegal drugs.

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    Sorry, you edited that in while I was replying.

    The point I am trying to make is that is IRRELEVANT. As is the video of him during the strongarm burglary. Wilson can only react to the situation as it is currently presenting itself, and the other stuff we learn later can only help us to understand some possible reasons, but has no bearing whatsoever on the legality of using deadly force.

    • Mon, Aug 18, 2014 - 09:41pm

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      fair enough

    That particular website is only regurgitating the caller's words on the Dana show – talk radio. It is all over the internet, and it just happened to be the 3rd website I found that had it, and it was quick to link and had the text rather than the video or audio. I'll do better to use proper sources in the future. Here are a couple, but there are literally dozens. 

    http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/

    http://www.inquisitr.com/1417628/ferguson-cops-side-of-michael-brown-shooting-as-told-by-officers-friend-audio/

    And this has been confirmed by "someone close to the investigation" that this is in fact what Wilson told them as his side of the story. Saw that on the news, sorry I don't have a link handy.

    We are also getting new reports that confirm this story by at least one eyewitness. This is all over the net as well, but I'll provide a couple links, and urge you to seek it out personally if you do not like these particular sources. Information is coming in floods and it is hard to keep up.

    http://downtrend.com/vsaxena/new-game-changing-evidence-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/cnn-reports-officer-wilsons-account-michael-brown-shooting

     

    • Mon, Aug 18, 2014 - 09:17pm

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      No, we are on the same page.

    Bheithir,

    You were not misunderstood by me, in fact we are in complete agreement. That post was meant for another. Evidence is emerging constantly, such as marijuana found in Brown's system (full toxicology 2 weeks out). Things like the video Sandpuppy posted, and other "stuff" that is giving us a better overall picture of who we are dealing with here. But none of that matters at all in terms of the legality of this shooting. You stated that very well, and I am in complete agreement.

    While I was on the fence before, there are enough bits and pieces being released that I am now leaning towards the idea that the officer was being attacked and responded in a manner he perceived as necessary to save his own life. However, the best thing to do at this point is to wait for the investigation to run it's course and save judgments for then.

    My concern is that many folks out there will never accept anything other than the officer in question to be sentenced and hanged, regardless of the actual facts. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am.

    PS – I think you are correct in your assumptions, a few years ago standard issue was G17, and I do not believe that has changed. I will attempt to verify this.

    • Mon, Aug 18, 2014 - 08:13pm

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      HughK

    If it went down like described in post 20, and is proven by some means satisfactory to you

    Was officer Wilson justified in shooting Mike Brown 6 times?

    Based on your writings, it sounds as if you would never find justification. Do I have that right?

    • Mon, Aug 18, 2014 - 07:03pm

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      There is another video

    Which I will not link here due to the graphic nature both on video as well as the verbal commentary, however it was taken just moments after the event on a cell phone. The interesting thing about the video is not the owner or his comments, as he only heard the shots and then came to see what happened, but the conversation off to the side of another group (he caught this by accident) corroborating the events as described in my post above. It's hard to hear, but that seems pretty telling to me, a witness is telling others around what actually happened (and was apparently witnessed) but now is no where to be found in all the media reports?

    It will all come out in the end, hopefully.

    • Mon, Aug 18, 2014 - 05:50pm

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      From Darren Wilsons Perspective (maybe)

    Based on everything I know, if this is in fact what happened, the shooting seems justified.

    http://tellmenow.com/2014/08/bombshell-mike-brown-was-on-something-at-time-of-death/

    “He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

    And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and then Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

    Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

    • Thu, Aug 14, 2014 - 09:34pm

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      bias in demographics

    Ferguson is an interesting place. The first house I ever purchased was in Ferguson, less than a mile from where most of this is taking place. I now live and work about 20 miles from there. I have one employee who lives there now and one that is 5 miles away from the burned out QT. I have collected several first hand reports of what is going on there both during the day and night, however I have not visited recently. I also have spoken to a law enforcement officer actively involved in the day to day there.

    Ferguson is interesting in that it is bracketed by very large corporations and academia (Boeing, Express Scripts, University of Missouri St. Louis) however the only sizable corporation that was in Ferguson (Emerson Electric) has long since left. There have been a lot of public works projects, but tax base is eroding, and Ferguson seems to be getting adopted by its unfortunate neighbors of impoverished, mostly black communities. I do not know the current race statistics, however I recently learned that there are 53 active duty police on the force, only 2 of which are African American. This CLEARLY does not represent the makeup of the community.

    If you had asked me to predict which area of St. Louis would most likely succumb to this type of situation last year, Ferguson would not have been in my top 10. That's telling to me in that I am either clueless to the race tensions (very possible) or that this simply could happen anywhere (more likely IMHO).

    So in terms of the gear being sported by police, it's a mixed bag. Protesters are carrying weapons and doing drive by's. They are tossing Molotov Cocktails,  and some are still intent on looting. For those protesters, I would expect police to come prepared to protect the rest of the community. At the same time, there are many peaceful and legal minded protesters, including a Mo state Senator who was tear gassed last night. We now also have the KKK as well as the New Black Panthers rolling in to add to the excitement. Fun, no?

    I do not have any answers. What I can say is that if I were still living in my lovely 12' ceilinged Century Home I adored as my first home, I would want the police there to make sure no more tire stores or beauty shops get trashed, and to make sure the KKK doesn't get a wild hair and engage the Panthers. I am not a police tactician, I really don't know the best way to do that without infringing on the rights of the peaceful protesters who have every right to be there. I also feel very strongly there are agent provocateurs at work here.

    No black and white here, only shades of grey.

    Hoping for restored peace soon

    R~

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    PS – Stole this from my wife:

    A little over a year ago, after a jury acquitted the man who killed Trayvon Martin, and after watching the turmoil occurring with the Normandy School district, I began a journey to educate myself and better understand white privilege, racism and social justice. 



    At this time, I remain hopeful that the truth will come out regarding the death of Michael Brown. And I am keeping his family, and the officer and his family in my thoughts – this is a terrible, tragic situation. I post this message because Michael's death is part of a larger problem. If you are ready to learn and try to understand, consider reading the following books:

    Dear White America, Letter to a New Minority, by Tim Wise

    White Like Me, Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son, by Tim Wise

    White Privilege, Essential Readings on the Other Side of Racism, by Paula Rothenberg

    Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria, by Beverly Daniel Tatum, PH.D.

    Why Social Justice Matters, by Brian Barry

    • Mon, Jun 30, 2014 - 04:31pm

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      Silver Halide in film

    My Mom retired from Sabin Metal Corp a little over a decade ago. 

    http://sabinmetal.com

    They are located outside Rochester NY, and one of their primary businesses for many many years was to recover silver from film that they got from Kodak. That business is now gone, and they barely do anything with silver any more since there are no mines in the area. I don't know the number of tons per year they were doing in their heyday, but it got carried out on very long railroad cars, not a small amount for sure.

    Digital photography, digital X-rays, and tons of other imaging equipment (mostly medical) has really depressed silver demand.

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