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I tend to agree that this may be to draw in herd(currently sidelined) investors. The oil and gas company execs and insiders(politicians) can take one more grab at the cookie jar before the whole thing implodes. Other than that, well….. anyone?
It has been a while since I read Ferfal. I am assuming that the Argentinean people have the same gun laws as us if a similar outcome is predicted.
if all the sanity is in the city…. who provides the food for them? If the countryside is in chaos and the farmers are afraid to plow then what? I doubt China or Russa will ship grain… like you say, way too complex to predict.
and the last thing I would want to do is approach a “country” homestead after a crisis. What is the range of a high powered rifle(s) with a scope in a practiced hand??? how about a dozen rifles, shotguns, handguns??? Unless of course the bad guys arrive in a tank!
Personally I think it will be a long painful slide so there will be time for those willing and able, to get used to the new reality.
Just my thoughts on the issue of pensions, public and private…. I doubt there will be much left when TPTB get through with them. Higher taxes on gold…. yep, penalty taxes on 401K withdrawal prior to age 75, yep… if I can think of it you know “they” will think of something worse.
MF global was a good trial ballon to see how people react to theft with no consequence. Look at the TSA project…. people just take it cause it’s too scary to cause a stink. And hey, if you gotta get to Cancun and it requires getting your case probed…well…….. we just keep falling back…. does anyone think we, as a nation, will ever get to the point of enough is enough??? I’m having doubts.
Question on the point Macro brought up.
Who will be the “wealthy” ? The way I was picturing this thing moving to the tipping point was when the FED/Treasury requires all pension funds to invest in Bonds. I seriously doubt we will see an implosion in the bond market until all the money available has been stolen and placed in bonds…. Then the bond market finally blows. Any currently weathy people “in paper assets” will be wiped out.
Will the boomers, being as wise as we have seen to date, preemptively cash in their retirement funds at a penalty plus tax and load up on gold…. driving it’s fiat value to who knows where???? If history is any indication of crowd mentality, I personally think they will not do any of this….deer in the headlights…. they will lose everything for the most part.
Not that I believe 100% this will be the outcome…but who will end up being the true wealthy?? Those with hard assets, gold (in hand ,not paper), or ………. productive farmland. Where might the troops/cops go in search of profit…. to the cities to protect the once wealthy or to where the food is produced…. and where the new “wealthy” live.
Just a thought exercise, tell me where I’m wrong…. are the bankers too smart for this outcome? Will they steal the land and have the farmers work them as slaves…while the old boomers pick the crops, grateful to eat???
Here is a resource I have used to gather info. They have a downloadable sourcebook with a huge amount of info…. a selection of gas fridge/freezes are in there somewhere… and a lot of other stuff to spend money on….
I understand that most people can’t do what we have done, that is obvious. Never got heartburn from Macro as he has not created laws to restrict my freedoms … it is when the”system” dictates to you how you shall raise your child, well that is another story.
As far as homeschoolers wanting to participate in the structure of college well I get your point…. If they want to be a Dr. or engineer they will have to do the college program… other than that… business admin or liberal arts… that would be better learned in a real world environment in my opinion.
Tree… you have to watch the movie “RV” to fully undertand how we are perceived as traveling homeschoolers!!!
On the real world of grammar and spelling…. you would be surprised, it just sort of happens. To be honest we really gravitated towards a stong vocabulary instead. They can spell and write as well as any public schooler just never had an intensive class on it.
You know, we started homeschooling in 2001 and I never considered energy issues back then and preppers were, well, out there. This is the first I have heard about a link between the two….. maybe for the backwoods type prepper I guess???
Now I’m really going to rock your world. We have NEVER used a “curriiculum”! We exposed the kids to what they are facing in this world, traveled 10’s of thousands of miles and they have touched, smelled and experienced the world in “real life” not from a book. (I think government schools call them “field trips”, where they visit factories to get them excited about where they will spend the rest of their lives. We actually entertained the thought of taking the kids to a school as field trip but later dismissed the idea….
Children learn the basics quickly and easily when these things are age approprate, you would be amazed at how quick concepts can be grasped in a free environment.
Socialization is a non issue as our kids have friends all over the country and have had more “sleepovers” than I could count. They are also quite adept at discussing complex issue with adults. When I think of community I think of these families we have met … but they just don’t get peak oil for some reason?!?
The best part about homeschooling is that the kids actually have time to play, contemplate ideas, wonder about anything they choose. Believe me I know there is a huge gap between what our kids have experience and the soccer family… up at 6am, bus ride, classes, drooling on your desk, sports, dinner, 2 hours homework, sleep, repeat…….. Where is the socialization… 3 minutes between classes, soccer practice with the coaches and parents cussing at them and each other???? Never got that argument.
My wife is a veterinarian and I am a retired airline pilot….. we know the mainstream game and have chosen another path that suits us and prepares our kids, in our best analysis, for the “next 20 years”. The old ways are fading fast… We know too that everyone can’t do what we have done but that is ok too…. I only have major heartburn when someone tries to mess with our choices because they don’t approve.
From our research many of the ivy league schools prefer “out of the box” students over the mainstream…. something to think about too! If they have 50,000 honor roll students or 5 critical thinkers apply…..
Gotta keep an open mind…. or else you could get caught with your pants down!
If you look at the OPEC numbers it is interesting to see proven reserves never change Y-O-Y regardless of how much oil is pumped.
The truth will be exposed when/IF the economies of the US/ Europe recover. A gap will open between suppy and demand somewhere out in the future. It is a moving window and it will be quite obvious when we go through it.
If we didn’t have 88 million in the US alone out of the work force I feel we would have already been past the S/D divergence… and in a recession driven by insufficient oil supplies which is much more onerous, in the minds of us serfs, than a real estate bubble…
I think there is plenty of oil at $200 barrel, $300, $400…..
To add a little more …. If we go back on the gold standard and the gov. wants all the gold… you exchange it for the new currency… at it’s purchasing power when you bought it more or less.
If there is a crisis will the FED stop printing and let everything fall into a depression or try it’s best to print the crisis away? My guess would be to print until they can’t…. at that point you will need gold and silver to spend as the paper will have no value until it can be replaced by a new currency.
I personally think the gov./fed/banksters will attempt to tax the PM’s out of our hands and try to force us into another investment that makes it easier to steal our wealth. You have to admit that creating the Federal Reserve was a great invention to skim via “inflation” from everyone’s wealth.
Bottom line, I doubt congress will move to austerity… not a good way to get reelected. If gold goes parabolic it probably will not stop and the endgame will be a new currency. Remember, gold stays flat more or less and fiat moves relentlessly to no value…. that is it’s nature!
Chris, Doug, Don & others,
Thanks for your input. I understand the need for community but finding others that “get it” are far and few between. The process of exposing people to these ideas and having them get it is a slow one at best in our experience.
Another problem I have is that I “got it” in 2006, sold the “Florida house”, invested in gold at “the top of the bubble” and family members are still laughing at my foolishness! This understanding of what is going on is the way we look at the world and many times I catch myself when I see eyes glaze over in conversation and realize I have gone to the forbidden place! So, any insight on ways of finding like minds, in any given locale, would be a tremendous gift!
I can think of a couple towns, from our travels’ with a community sense of awareness. One is Corvallis,OR another, Willits, CA and nothing in the northeast that I am aware of that has reached critical mass but those of you that live there would have a better sense than me. I spent the first 26 years of my life in Pittsburgh and I really have sense of going back in time when returning to the area. Also, most of the northeast states have draconian homeschooling laws which we just can’t abide (especially NY…children are owned by the state with little in the way of parental rights).
With regards to Corvallis, being a college town, what happens when that college bubble bursts? Maybe you guy’s are right and some areas in the northeast that have the collapse well underway and, I am guessing, towns that were designed and built before the car! Easier to rebuild these older villages….
Well, I’ll get back to reading some of the old posts… I’m sure a lot of this has been discussed there.