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    • Fri, Dec 31, 2021 - 02:11pm

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      Adam B

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      Ontario is brazenly hiding data

    Hey Mark. You’re right. That’s a relief.

    Now, they have a few days before they have to update the data again. And Ontario’s chief medical officer warned yesterday that, with the changes to testing, the data will be “meaningless.” I suspect they feel the problem will go away in the confusion.

    The “All Ages” category is different because the age-stratified data end on Oct. 24. They stopped updating that data in October, citing “technical problems.” The note near the top of the page reads:

    “Due to technical difficulties, the case rate by vaccination status by age group is not available”

     

    • Thu, Dec 30, 2021 - 07:14pm   (Reply to #12)

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      Ontario is brazenly hiding data

    Wow. That is surprising data! I had never heard of this, and that’s basically my home region. Thanks

    • Thu, Dec 30, 2021 - 03:32pm

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      Ontario is brazenly hiding data

    Hey Debu,

    Actually, today they added a second “technical difficulties” disclaimer to the page, referring to “vaccination status data.”  That’s the one I’m referring to. Only one was there yesterday. And you’ll see the numbers in the “rate per 100,000” chart for Dec. 30 are all 0.00.

    I was aware of the first one too and, yeah, I believe that showed up when the age-stratified data in October started turning against them.

    • Thu, Dec 30, 2021 - 01:30pm

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      Ontario is brazenly hiding data

    Agreed, Jan, our awakening does seem to be slower.

    I see unvaccinated Americans already starting a victory dance and I feel a bit left out. Here in Ontario, I can’t see any change in the narrative at all.

    • Thu, Dec 30, 2021 - 12:35pm   (Reply to #2)

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      Ontario is brazenly hiding data

    Me too. I get angry at their duplicity, then I feel stupid for being surprised in the first place. Then I get really pissed off.

    • Sat, Dec 25, 2021 - 02:53pm   (Reply to #13)

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      Must Read End-of-the-World Vaccine Efficacy/Omicron Study

    Understood RandomMike.

    Even if your devil’s advocacy is correct, the data still exposes the nonsense of imposing a discriminatory regime on the unvaccinated to protect the vaccinated, such as the regime we have here in Ontario. The unvaccinated, for whatever reason, are LESS likely to be infected and they’re the ones treated as unclean. That belies some serious government dishonesty.

    I also think that, if you look at the longer timeline on the government chart I linked to (it dates back to August), you’ll see this negative efficacy is a recent, quickly emerging phenomenon in Ontario. It’s not consistent with an explanation such as age differences, which would have not have changed in any serious way in the last several months. Also, we saw a similar trend emerge some months ago in the UK, which conducted mass vaccination a few months earlier than Canada.

    And the data leaves me confused in many other ways as well:

    Why is this negative efficacy phenomenon showing up in Ontario only now, as omicron takes hold, even though it showed up in the UK months ago, before omicron? It may be relevant that the UK started mass vaccination several months before Canada. But is the phenomenon related to the strain of the virus or the time passed since vaccination, or both?

    Anyway, it would be nice if the people who take our tax money would give us honest data.

    Adam

    • Sat, Dec 25, 2021 - 03:32am

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      Must Read End-of-the-World Vaccine Efficacy/Omicron Study

    In related news, the Ontario data just turned a corner on Christmas Eve, now showing that fully vaccinated people are more likely to be infected than unvaccinated. I’m curious to see how they’re going to spin this one.

    Rate Per 100,000 (7-day average)

    Unvaccinated         31.93

    Fully Vaccinated   32.39

    Here’s the link:

    https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

    • Fri, Dec 10, 2021 - 08:43am   (Reply to #8)

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      Should I sell a homestead in Canada and flee to Eastern Europe?

    Thanks Canuck21. And I’ve replied to your very helpful PM.

    Geert has been a big influence on our thinking too. His posts from yesterday did offer a little bit of optimism – in the unlikely event that they stop mass vaccination immediately. That ain’t gonna happen, obviously.

    As for Canada, we’ve been warning people of encroaching totalitarianism here for four or five years now, since well before the pandemic. They just look at us funny.

    We have other friends from Eastern Europe who have already migrated back to their home countries because of what their experience with totalitarianism has taught them. They did so before the flight restrictions though.

     

    • Fri, Dec 10, 2021 - 07:21am   (Reply to #6)

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      Should I sell a homestead in Canada and flee to Eastern Europe?

    Thanks again Hurricane Rider.

    Your posts have helped me narrow my thought process down quite a bit.

    I guess one major question is really on my mind:

    Should I go now, in the middle of a pandemic and an oncoming wave of authoritarianism, or wait in the hopes that conditions improve enough so we can take more time with the move?

    • Fri, Dec 10, 2021 - 06:37am

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      Should I sell a homestead in Canada and flee to Eastern Europe?

    Hurricane Rider. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

    Yeah, I think we would probably want to move back to Eastern Europe even if things were normal. That’s mainly because we would have a sense of community there. We’re fairly certain of that, although we are aware we could end up moving in beside a bunch of jerks.

    I was born and raised in Canada, but find the culture here has changed dramatically. Much self-loathing and virtue signaling with little hard work. And, back in eastern Europe, they are much more wary of authoritarianism.

    If Omicron brings herd immunity soon, we would still go, but take more time in doing so.

    If, however, this whole situation develops into chaos, we would want to stay here for safety. And we would likely want to stay here afterwards, as we believe Canadians would learn a hard lesson and be more serious about building a more serious society. We would gladly be a part of that.

    And thanks very much for the website tip! I already have it open.

    Cheers!

     

     

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