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“I for one am part of the 51% (medical types) declining the mRNA product until animal (people getting vaccines currently) studies are out in a year to 18 months. I think I know enough to want to wait.”
Animal testing has to happen before the fact. No honesty possible after the fact if the results are not good. After hundreds of millions or more people are vaccinated, they aren’t going to tell us that animal testing shows it was a mistake.
I don’t think Chris knows much about vaccines. His IVM mentor doctors don’t seem to either.
I recommend watching thehighwire dot com every week for vaccine information.
He is not “a veterinarian”. (Yes, a DVM, but that doesn’t define his virology experience.)
Bossche just posted the following on twitter as an update to address many questions that have been raised by his executive summary:
How would we know for sure that Chris hasn’t been muffled to some degree? I suppose that would be my concern. I hope Chris will affirmatively explain if there are any changes that could be relevant to any of us.
Meanwhile, eternally grateful for what I have learned and continue to learn about C19 from Chris and the rest of the gang here. Thanks to all.
Del Bigtree reported several months ago that for the two-shot versions, the first shot resulted in too many non-neutralizing ABs v. the neutralizing ABs. That it required a second shot to adjust the ratio and produce enough neutralizing ABs. Relatively too many non-neutralizing ABs ould result in an ADE response by drawing the virus into the cell. In other words, it could be very risky to take the first shot and refuse the second one, or to expose yourself to too much virus before the second shot. I haven’t heard anything further about this.
Doctors in general are very uneducated about vaccine risk. NIH and CDC have refused to study vaccinated v. unvaccinated. Let alone the entire CDC childhood schedule (72 doses of 17 vaccines in 18 years) v. unvaccinated, which cumulatively involve seriously toxic levels of adjuvants like aluminum. Dr. Paul Thomas (pediatrician) of Oregon recently published a ten year comparison of his patients – completely unvaccinated v. partial or completely vaccinated. (He started offering those options to his patients after noticing the major unexpected side effects that were occurring just after the jab.) 12 typical childhood conditions (like eczema, ear infections, ADHD) ALL were much more prevalent in the vaccinated group. Two weeks after that paper was published his license was pulled under the excuse of child endangerment, even though he had just proved his patients on the whole were much healthier than the general population.
Vaccines may help with a particular disease, but in general they degrade the immune system. Doctors who for decades have been vaccinating their patients are unlikely to be able to accept this concept.
As soon as the polio vaccine was available, polio was redefined to drastically reduce what you could call a polio case. Instantly made the vaccine appear to be a great savior.
The folks in Leicester, England stood up against the mandatory smallpox vaccines. They proved you could address it with good care.
Virtually all diseases for which vaccines were routinely given were already on the way out, due to improvements in hygiene and food, lower population density, etc. The downward curve really didn’t change at the point the vaccine was introduced. Susanne Humphreys’ book, Dissolving Illusions, explains this well for a great many diseases.
Geert was a keynote speaker at an international vaccine forum and this is what he spoke about. Someone must think he’s credentialed.
As AndrewOregon mentioned above, Dr. Been does not agree with Dr. Bossche’s interpretations. He calls Bossche’s arguments frustrating, contradictory, and circular. He discusses on his Twitter Open Forums of March 12 and 13. Has anyone else looked at them? It’s all above my head, but these are two individuals I highly respect.
Geert Vanden Bossche’s explanation is stronger variants will be produced by prophylactic mass use of a vaccine during a pandemic. It isn’t that the vaccine was weak, it was that the people vaccinated hadn’t produced enough antibodies yet, at a time when the vaccine was also stifling the innate immune system and when mutants could readily jump to others. Not a weak vaccine, necessarily, but because of a weak response. It’s why he’s pleading with the international community that max vaccination stop immediately.
Is the timing in Brazil of mass vaccination consistent with the vaccine driving this result?