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Regarding timing, that seems a good question. I guess this is a preventative thread so timing hasn’t really come up.
First off, I am by no means a medical expert, but this idea that you should maybe let the disease progress to stage II, just to (temporarily!! because probably none of us will be able to keep refusing in the long run) get out of a vaccine mandate sounds absolutely insane to me.
Well, we do now know that, for most, the vaccines are considerably more dangerous than covid, so it certainly looks very sane to me, particularly if one can get out of the mandate that way. The only problem I have is that medical exemptions are so difficult to get (in Australia and so I would presume the likewise crazy NZ), that you probably couldn’t get out of a mandate that way. That is where, as far as I can see, the insanity comes in.
Please! Do not intentionally let the virus accumulate unimpeded. The whole point of this thread is to help you AVOID getting to that stage. Because once you are in the post-viral inflammatory stage, sure there are therapeutics, but your chances of having a really bad time go up exponentially.
The approach of not bothering too much about the initial viral stages would seem to be Dr Chetty’s now famous approach to covid. But I presume he mainly did/does that because he does not have access to anti-virals etc. Though weirdly enough in places like Australia and so probably New Zealand it is going to be even more difficult to get hold of things like steroids to fight the later stages. One needs a good doctor and I don’t know that there are many left in these countries (since these medical systems are very prone to centralised control such that GPs are effectively paralysed). So I would agree that one should still be hitting the virus has hard and as quickly as possible with anti-virals etc.
Natural infection and natural immunity
Perhaps not here, but we do need to discuss the whole issue of preferring natural infection. Not just the above cost/benefit calculation, favouring natural infection, but also ‘original antigenic sin’ which has rightly been much discussed on this forum also favours gaining natural infection first, even if one cannot escape a mandate and so vaccination. Though, I guess that is complicated by the fact that vaccination following natural infection is said to be more dangerous than vaccination alone (Dr Malone has said this a number of times).
Document all communications and make sure that everything is in writing. This looks like it is going to happen too quickly to notify anyone. You’ll need the best records. Presumably there will be lots of discussion as to just how legal this is. Pay attention to that.
That is extraordinary and appalling. Here in Australia, Melbourne and Sydney you simply might not be able to work (it was instituted as a spatial/travel thing). I guess firing might follow from that, but there was some attempt to avoid the incredible level of coercion that this implies.
I guess it depends upon the legal powers of the Mayor of a City, in this case, New York. It does seem true. ALL PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYERS!
I’m guessing that this is Howard Springs, Northern Territory. The enforcement doesn’t seem to have got quite as violent as Melbourne, Victoria yet. But perhaps they aren’t police and probably not VicPol. Though Gunner does seem to be even more histrionic than Andrews. I doubt that the fines are much different.
This is a long (3+ hours) in person interview by JP Drake, a fellow South Australian.
Trial Site News interview censored
Note that the comparatively recent trial site news interview of the above post already seems to have been censored for Youtube. So we can now say Professor Petrovsky, the only medical professional who has been actively speaking out in Australia, is now being actively censored. I would encourage you to make a copy of the interview and of course support the Professor in his efforts to get the truth out.
Both South Australia and Australia face state and federal elections, respectively, early next year
I just tried to look up this link from Jim H’s post from earlier in this thread (page 13):
Well written defense of Ivermectin that takes the anti-IVM propaganda head on
The link (try it yourself):
The result (my emphasis):
This post is under investigation or was found in violation of the Medium Rules
I guess the lockdown of the unvaxxed is not that much of a surprize. Putting a mandatory vax to a vote is much more interesting. I don’t think that we saw that in Austria (it was just the Chancellor (and a new, inexperienced and unlikely one at that) as remember) . One hopes that they have the sense to NOT vote for this. Either way this does not look pretty.
Well. I can report that you are still able to vote in NSW. Managed to vote in the local government elections today. I was wondering whether it was going to be an ordeal to do so.
Weren’t they trying to vax volunteer fire fighters in WA. The point?
Matt Wong (Discernable) has been getting very worried about this haircut situation. To give you some idea of how bad things were in Europe even well before covid, this guy in the house I was living in got an underground haircut by someone who wasn’t licenced to.
From what someone else was saying, I gather clothes are now optional in Queensland for the unvaxxed.
Another Interview with Red Union – Monica Smit
This is another short interview with Red Union by Monica Smit (not all that different from the one above).
As I said above for more in depth discussions of what they are doing and how they are going see their support channel. Esp. the incomparable Miles.
A good example (a pretty general discussion since it concerns Victoria):
A ‘real’ retail union
There is another real retail union, but perhaps because they lack breadth, they don’t seem to be as anti-mandate (pro-choice). I haven’t seen anything about the vax mandates on their webpages.
The Retail and Fast Food Workers Union is not affiliated to any political party, and has no intention to become affiliated to a political party.
Coles Fake News
A rather impressive open letter was sent to Coles CEO and Chief Legal and Safety Officer
There was a story that they had reversed their decision but that would seem to have been fake.
My own predicament
I haven’t had anything to do with unions in decades. Indeed, I have a long history of doing everything I can to adapt to the needs of employers. For instance, for a long time at my current employer, I worked as what is called ‘a casual’ coming in to work, often at just an hours notice.
So, what I’ve begun to ask myself is, should I be putting up a fight over this, as, as far as I can see, there is comparatively little unvaxed work out there, if I am forced out of my current employment over this. Given this lack of options, I’m definitely leaning towards fighting this. Not that I’m really doing much more than asking them to consider my interests in this process (consider alternatives to a vax mandate (eg. testing), for instance), but this is probably much more than what they want to deal with.
I don’t know whether there are other people in this position in my specific workplace. Obviously, it is difficult to discuss this sort of thing in a largely vaxed society. The work I do is rather isolated as much as the workplace does contain a lot of people. But I naturally tend to function very independently, probably because I have a very unsupportive family background.
At present I’m joining various telegram groups related to this sort of thing. Social media is definitely not my strong suite, but these phone apps seem to be the way communication (if one wants to call it that), occurs these days.
It all seems rather chaotic so I’m still trying find out how things actually stand. No good news. One story of someone getting myocartitis on the first jab and being told that they would only be granted a stay of 3 months before they would have to take the second (evidence, if you ever needed it, that they are trying to kill people).
It seems some people have sent out risk assessment request letters and have got nothing substantive back apart from the occasional nasty letter. Perhaps this goes to substantiate the claim in the interview above, that most employers have done nothing or have nothing like what is required by the legislation.
That site initally looked American but seems to be Indian (not that it makes that much difference). There used to be reports that it would not get through customs. @wemustspeakout had that problem in NZ and I think it was even the vetinary product in their case. So, that would probably be the crucial question. Any thoughts/evidence on this?
Regarding the protocol, I’d probably be taking a whole lot more ivermectin than that. There have been repeated reports (the latest I heard from Prof Petrovsky) that spike is in the blood of the vaxed for months following vaccination.
That doesn’t sound all that different to Dr Charles Hoffe’s description of the mechanism whereby they inevitably create blood clots.
Very glad to hear you found someone who would talk with you about such important matters given the current 1930s climate.