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    • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 05:56am

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      One last point

    It is entirely conceivable that power could fail, become unpredictable, or become expensive in the future. What should concern you just as much is this, dirty power.

    This post is for those situations to keep your equipment safe when the power is still ON.

    Everyone should have a UPS to keep their high tech equipment safe, no matter what. I have always had one beause you never know when lightning could strike lilterally, or for example when peak demand occurs and the utility company has yet to throw another generator online and all the lights dim, or a car hits a power pole down the block.

     

    Dirty power is power that has:

    1) Low voltage/under volt/brown out – this is damaging to sensitive electronic equipment

    2) High voltage/over volt/surge/spike  – this is also damagin to sensitive electronic equipment

    3) Noisy – noise can be introduced into power from many sources

    The causes for these scenarios is varied and beyond the discussion here. I know more than one person who has fried a computer due to power surges.

    Get a UPS (uniterruptable power supply) and throw your computers and high tech electronics on it. The real purpose of a UPS is the always have clean safe power for these devices, NOT as a battery backup to supply power for any great length of time. Most UPS devices will only power your equipment for 15-30 minutes, long enough to power down your equipment.

    Make sure to get a UPS that corrects/kicks in for undervolts and overvolts. Having a UPS that is configurable is a plus. Getting one that is configurable without connecting it to a computer is nice as well.

    All my computers and network equipment run off a UPS in my home.

    NEVER connect anything but your high tech equipment to your UPS, NEVER connect vacuums, drills, etc, because they are contributors to dirty power and defeat the purpose of isolation your equipment to desire to protect.

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    • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 05:53am

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      Lights

    Ok you are all probably saying enough posts already lol

    LED’s (light emitting diodes) are in my opinion the only electrical light source anyone should consider.

    1) They draw less power for the same amount of light, of virtually any other light source.

    2) Low voltage operation, depending on the LED 1 or 2 AAA batteries is all you would need, and the light would last for a VERY long time.

    3) Very tough, yes they are very very tough, there is no glass to shatter, do not get ruined when they get wet, etc. Show me a light that is MORE shock proof.

    4). They do not burn out in the traditional sense. There is no filament in an LED, most high tech devices use LED’s, when is the last time you can remember one burning out? Chances are you will never see that happen,

    5) They are cheap as hell.

    • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 05:27am

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      Re: Energy use in “modern” non-cave homes

    Krogoth, I am not trying to slam anybodies idea, and I certainly would apologize if anything I have said was perceived as such. What I can say is that I have thought a lot about this, the same I am sure as many others have. I have experience with electronic circuit design and a solid knowledge of many high tech sectors. I personally do not see a wind turbine as practical. It would be virtually impossible to service, replace parts, and it is totally conspicuous, in a situation in which people are trying to acquire the necessities such as food, water, shelter, etc.

    A wind turbine is totally viable if the system does not crash/production of wind turbines does not fail, I guess that is my point. Solar requires no maintenance other than making sure sun gets to the panels and the panels are not occluded.

     I laid out the key points based on what I would do. If someone can make a logical argument to the contrary I would be very much interested because in the end it just needs to work, for as long and as reliably as possible.

    • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 04:48am

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      be realistic ;)

    Here is what I think,

    There is little chance that one could sustain their own power generation for any length of time. The reasons are simple.

     1). Batteries have a shelf life and a life span. The life span and charge cycles of lead acid batteries and current capacity are the best, but they only last so long. Forget Lithium Ion/Hydride they have to be maintained very precisely and are damaged by temperature extremes.

    2). Inverters are a great piece of technology, however they are very inefficient. If you base your system using inverters then if the inverter fails you are really screwed. The trick would be to find DC applicances and avoid the costly conversion from DC to AC. Most electronics convert back to DC internally. AC is used for transmission because it is MUCH more efficient to transmit of long distances.

    3). Wind turbines are high tech and expensive. How long do you really expect a wind turbine to last? Eventually it will need parts that you probably can not acquire if you are ever in a position to have to use one anyway.

    4). Solar panels are really your best bet because they have a long life. But they are not perfect they eventually fail as well. The best solar panels are not quite 20% efficient in converting light to electricity.

     If you want actual statistical/specs on any of the above info I can pass it along.

    However I think it is possible to make something reasonably doable and long lasting.

    Simplicity is the key. Buying good quality equipment is the MOST important part of such a system.

    As for computers, get a laptop, laptops have many settings for efficiency, at the max my laptop draw 90W of DC yes DC power, at 19V DC. By setting my laptop to be run in low power mode it uses much less power then 90W. Forget using a Desktop in such a situation, you would need an inverter.

    My recommendation.

     use Lead Acid batteries

     avoid DC to AC conversion (dont use an inverter) and get applicances that DC

    you will have to pick a voltage (usually a multiple of 12V) for you power storage and then of course build your power generating system to generate at that voltage

    voltage is the energy per charge carrier and an amp is the number of charge carriers per unit time, watts are a measurment of power = volts * amps

    learn basic electronics, so you can build electic circuits with regulators and charging circuits and even power conversion circuitry

     If you had running water on your land you have another option. You could generate electricity using a generator/dynamo I would not recommend using an alternator because they require power to generate power (more info if requested)

    If you lived on land with trees you could even generate power using steam.

    I would start learning basic electronics, plumbing, construction etc to be self sufficient especially when it comes to power generation

    A hand cranked generator/dynamo is perfect to supply small handheld devices, especially flashlights

    Sorry for a short post I have to multitask right now, if there is interest I will touch it up on a subsequent post.

    Contact me through http://gsxlive.com there are contact instructions there

    • Thu, Oct 09, 2008 - 08:59pm

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      @maincooncat

    nice pen name by the way…

    I agree with you in large part, this has some correctness " …our debt based, inherently flawed, unsustainable monetary system simply finally imploding due to the price of oil."

    But Americans were oblivious to those facts, borrowed large sums of money they could not repay, owe credit card debt, car debt, house debt the list goes on. They lived imprudently no matter what kind of money system we have/had, examples are multitudinous in history, EVERYONE was greedy everyone.

    Change is hopeless unless there is a fundamental change in the desires and actions of our citizens in general.

    I believe I pointed the finger everywhere.

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    • Thu, Oct 09, 2008 - 08:42pm

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      Indeed

    If the FDIC fails to pay out then the system is doomed anyways so you might as well leave the bulk of your money in the bank and try to contribute to the liquidity of the entire system. Take out what you need for a month of expenditures in cash.

    Fear and panic are only going to hurt everyone, if there is a mass run on the bank then things will be very bad. So stay cool, hard times are here and will stay for a while. However we all have a chance after the short term issues settle some to affect appropriate change, i.e. like reducing our individual and national debt.

    I do not owe any debt. I am NOT rich, I work full time in health care and so does my wife, we have two kids. We save a good percentage of our income and we save for what we want. Neither of us even has a REAL credit card. I do not buy what I can not afford, we have always lived this way. To bad the American people in general are so much in debt. A lot of people out there bought to much house, had to have that large screen TV, had to have a SUV when a compact would do, and put it on a credit card or took out a loan. America’s citizens bear as MUCH responsibility as the government for our buy first and pay later, deficit minded society. How can you ask your governement to be fiscally responsible if the citizens are not and visa versa?

    Now everyone wants handouts, banks, corporations, and citizens. And I am and you are paying for it.

    The whole thing makes me freaking sick. So before anyone points a finger at corporate America, the government, or anyone or anything else, you better get real about your own lifestyle, because nothing will change unless we change and then force change on the government.

    Socialism is coming, heck its here, the government will soon own a little bit to much. Should just let the greedy corporations, investors, banks, and citizens fail, that is the ONLY thing that would teach them the necessary lessons they failed to learn previously.

     We need a return to TRUE free market economy, free of unnecessary government regulation, with prudent and safe guarding regulations, the cessation of a central bank, and money that is backed by something tangible. If we do not do change and we actually recover from this debacle then it will only happen again and one of these times it will truly be the end.

    Ah I feel better,

    G

    • Wed, Oct 08, 2008 - 05:44am

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      hmm

    I have no idea what to do at the moment, it is all dependent on what happends in the near term. As long as there are no run’s on the banks, I think we could pull through. Run’s on the banks will lead I am afraid to violence and chaos. My suggestion is to take the money that you need to live on out of the bank, but to leave the rest so that the system has some chance to stay liquid/solvent.

    My money is in one of the biggest US banks, and if those fail to be protected by the FDIC then we are all screwed anyway and no bank would last, so I am just going to leave it there minus some money to live on should we have to take a ‘bank holiday.’

    I will offer one observation: the panic has not hit the average person, most people I know hear that the credit is frozen but have no idea what that really means. As long as there is gas, food, and most of the consumables and utilites available then this is simply not real for a lot of people. yet, in the sense that they would feel impending doom. Perhaps many of us have that feeling now.

    I am one of to many who learned the facts to late. I am not an economist, although I have done so much research and reading in the last year my knowledge is extensive. However my resources are limited because we have been building our family. Thank God we owe NO debt. For us buying gold would probably just use up our living expenses. Apparently gold is extremely difficult to find. Read the section of this site on ‘Physical Gold Market "On Fire"

     I could not presume to advise you as to what to do, because I have no idea if it will get bad and if it does get bad how bad it will get. I would say be near your job and your family, and live life normally. I to many people start changing their routine and are not productive or begin to panic then a very negative herd mentality will take over.

     I think this all could work out very nicely if our leadership was wise and made the right choices. We would all pay the price for a while but we could really make good change.

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