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    • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 08:19am

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      Re: The Martenson Fund? Count me in!

    @Caroline and everyone,

    Thank your for your opinions, it has been a great dialogue. The best ideas often come from constructive conflict. 

    I am speaking for myself here; giving up now, capitulating, degrading to a survival mentality, is not necessary or wise. I honestly believe that we can do much better than to just survive. There will be a balance between survival and the lives we live today. All of nature self corrects and seeks balance, and we will either go along with the program or not. The sooner we do, the better quality of life we all will have.

    I am not a survivalist yet, I do not want to be, I will be if it is necessary.

    Thank-you,

     

    • Fri, Dec 19, 2008 - 08:05am

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    @Caroline

    I will be succinct because I do not desire an ongoing argument.

    Yes I do like technology and modern medicine. If I have a tumor I want it removed, if I have a shattered bone I want an ORIF, if I have an infection I want antibiotics, those things can not be fixed by folk/homeopathic medicine.

    Technology is one of the great triumphs of man kind. There is nothing evil or sinister about technology. The only negative impact technology has is the same impact that any thought, object, or concept has had when it is used to facilitate negative outcomes. A knife is a great tool, it can be used as a tool or as a weapon to commit murder. Technology enriches our lives for the better, it is worth preserving.

    I am not going to get the hell out (escape to the wilderness, live off the land, etc.), that is probably a sure way to get killed. The best bet is to work with what you have in your community, in most cases it is easier to work with those you know and where you are familiar, than to start all over again, especially in the middle of a crisis.

    The system can be made more efficient, its starts and ends with the consumption and ethics of the people. The system is the people, everyone blames the corporations and the government, some how individual responsiblity as citizens of our nation and citizens of the earth get left out.

    I want to do more than survive. Look at some history, just surviving is NOT fun, it usually ended in horrible deaths for those involved. We do more than survive in our present age. You can exist just to survive if you chose, I have higher ambitions, especially for my children.

    You can give up on the system, I am not ready to do that yet, I am not ready to give up on the people, otherwise what is the point of the Crash Course, what is the point of community.

    When there is little hope for anything other than survival then I will switch into survival mode, but until then I hold that with greater responsibilty, wisdom, and efficiency we can live a life far greater than mere survival and our communities are the means by which that will happen.

     The whole point of the Crash Course and all of these dialogues is not to run screaming into the night that the world is coming to an end. It is to make the changes to sustain a quality of life, and the sooner we accomplish that object the better.

    Thank-you

    • Thu, Dec 18, 2008 - 08:39am

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    I have a thought. We all accept that the next 20 years will be unlike the last 20 years. But why must the future outlook always revert back to a survivalist mentality. I am not sure that I buy these perpectives of these communes everyone writes about.

    Start our own village? Perhaps the change starts in the communities/cities we already live in. Why tear down the old or build a new community, but rather change the community we live in. How do we know that one of us may need to be a blacksmith, hunter, or gatherer?

    Many seem very focused on this perspective, and while I agree that it may indeed be possible, we are simply not at that stage yet. It seems that many have already capitulated and have decided that the system will fail catastrophically. That is not the primary message I received from the Crash Course.

    I believe that it does not have to come to that. It is a given that some of our time and energy must be directed to such contingencies, but perhaps more energy should be spent working to make the system we have more efficient, responsible, and about all honest.

    While I certainly have survival concepts in my mind and I am preparing my own plans as such, it is not my vision for the future. I am not going to capitulate now and decide that all is lost and make that my sole purpose for living.

    If the system breaks to such a point as many fear it will, then there will be no happy little communes where everyone chips in and does their part. History is full of tragedy when crisis occurs and my friends I have little reason to believe that all will be well if the worst comes to pass.

    We can help turn the tide and provide hope with a purpose and a plan, without all the doom and gloom that seems inherent to the survival mentality. The key is to reshape our communities to work within the confines of our resources, means, and ability; and carry that on through to the rest of the nation.

    There are serious problems, these are not only our problems, but we have made them our childrens problems. I refuse to hand them a broken world, I will not accept that a survivalist lifestyle is the only possible outcome for them, we owe them better. Especially considering we are spending their future right now.

    I agree we must be prepared for the worst but we need to plan for the best possible outcome. What really needs to change in our life is responsible resource usage, efficient energy consumption, living within our means, erradication of fiat currency, central banking, fractional reserve lending, crub population growth. If we limited ourselves to consuming what could be sustained or even less then we would have a real future to look forward to.

    We could still have many of the things we enjoy today, perhaps less of them, but we could still have technology, homes, travel, infrastructure, modern medicine, pursuit of knowledge, etc.

    Thank-you

    • Thu, Dec 18, 2008 - 05:10am

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      Re: Where’s Krogoth?

    Yeah I respect Krogoth to, even though I disagree with him often. He had a unique and refreshing perspective, I always welcomed his responses.

    • Thu, Dec 18, 2008 - 05:08am

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      Re: The Martenson Fund? Count me in!

    Well I think it is a nice and honorable thought. However, I do not belive what was initially proposed by barrt is realistic or prudent. There is a whole legal side to such an endeavor and how can anyone really trust someone to manage it.

    With all due respect I am not trusting anyone here with my money, not even Chris. I would want to see a prospectus and the legal details before I made such an investment.

    I think there a few other actions we can take. Donate what you think is fair to this community, if you can or are so inclined. Distribute DVD’s, site links, and even the .iso files.

    I am conserving as much as possible of my income. I live in NY state and as you know taxes are going to go up significantly here.

    My contribution is spreading the word about the Crash-Course, linkes to the site, and on other social networking sites, as well as seeding the Torrent from my colocated server.

    However, I respect barrt’s intentions, if the world was ideal, fair, trustworthy, and the legal stuff reasonable then I would be with you.

    Thank-you,

    • Mon, Nov 03, 2008 - 05:22am

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      Re: More than interesting

    An excellent set of slides at http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/4712

    • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 06:36am

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      Must read

    This comes from a blog by Mish (Mish is a smart guy). The article was taken from his blog, he is quoting another article, read the full post at the following link. You have to read this article.

    Good night all.

    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/10/white-house-banks-need-to-stop-hoarding.html

     

    • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 06:25am

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      Best of luck

    If anyone desires to remain in touch outside of the forum you can contact me. I do not usually comment very often on forums, I read much more than I post, being an avid reader, especially these days. I could not resist this topic, hope my posts gave some insight. As always the best of luck. Thanks it is an honor to take part in this community.

    • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 06:16am

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      UPS

    A UPS is the only way to protect against both over volts, under volts, and line noise. A power conditioner that can isolate you from line power using another power source would in effect be a UPS.

    • Wed, Oct 29, 2008 - 06:11am

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      LED’s

    LED’s are very inexpensive. If you are willing to wire and solder them up yourself you can make very effective and efficient light sources for a reasonable price.

    If you were to buy enough light bulbs to last a reasonable length of time (not even the average length of an LED) you would spend far more money buying traditional incadescent or flourescent lights.

    LED’s are not very expensive. I would NOT recommend buying them at Radio Shack.

    Buy them from a vendor such as Mouser Electronics. They sell all sorts of other useful electronics such as voltage regulators, diodes and rectifiers, DC-DC power conversion, basic parts, capacitors, transistors, resistors, etc.

    You can purchase all of that very cheaply.

    You could build a DC power system very cheaply at a fraction of the cost rather than using inverters and prefab equipment.

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