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Great that you do not believe in it. facts are just like opinions right? I’m all in favor of experimentation to proof something: if you truly believe it is a hoax, go the an emergancy ward in New York and french kiss, ask around who think they have been infected, and pay them 10 bucks to French kiss you. Do that at least 10 times (for the appropriate statistics). Please let us know in a month or two how the experiment went. Maybe you are on to something that all the medical personal who died in the last few weeks were not!
Maybe there are other people who want to fund your experiment, I noticed thate there are a lot who believe this is all fake. If you think that this is a crazy experiment, could you tell me why this is a crazy experiment, it is just a hoax right?
I’m most interested in the information that you use to underpin your statements. Could you please enlighten me? Especially as to how the sudden consistent 50% increase of weekly deaths in Europe is “no worse” than the flue?
Update: the link is to an editorial. The authors discuss the content of the articles in the journal. The assumption (see below) is based on the research presented in the journal.
“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. ”
- One similar case in the US (source).
- In 2005 a connection between a human coronavirus and Kawasaki Syndrome was suggested (source): https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/192/2/352/858653
So, this could be something that is not specific to SC-2, because it was also seen in another coronavirus.
Hi French connection,
This indeed sounds bad. I’m very impressed by his message however, makes one humble.
Ah, so this is how this “gray quotation” box thing works. 😂
Thanks for the info. If this is SC-2 related, one would think that this would also be the case in other countries. I did not hear or read anything about it in the Netherlands. I’ll ask around.
Lets see how it all pans out wrt vacation. There is a discussion in the Netherlands ongoing to waiver the “vacation money” (typically 8% of your yearly salary). A local cycle trips are the next best, and cheaper option, but this being the Netherlands, you’r never sure of weather.
As to SC2. Not there yet. For a week I thought all was OK, back to work etc., then it came back with a vengeance. Fever, sore throat etc. Never had that with a normal flu. The vitamin C bowel tolerance is elevated (I use this as a marker for progress). Used to be 120 grams in 24 hours, I kid you not. Now 20 grams, so a huge improvement after one week. FYI: I noticed that you really have to rest, somehow NAC, vitamin C, lactoferin, vitamin D3 etc do not do much when you have SC2 and you are too busy.
Actually, I agree with you. The thing is that I object to both sides of the spectrum: “much ado about nothing”, and “we all gonna die!”. We do have a problem, and we do have to minimize risks: the balancing act that Chris mentioned. And you are right, I’m not in favor of continuation of the current lockdown, neither am I afraid to catch it: I already did (so I self-isolated). I think we have to be aware of the risk, adapt our behavior a little bit and think of others. Concerning the weather: I told my wife that I really want to go on a holiday in Greece this year: help the local economy, relax, and catch an amazing amount of natural D3; but, with masks on during the flight and in the airport.
I also agree that there are some people, organizations and countries that wouldn’t want this crisis go to waste…(follow the money).
A valid question, I think that in this discussion, one thing is overlooked: the burden on the healthcare system. If the number of ICU admissions is such that it swamps the systems, you might want to control the influx of new ICU patients (= some NPI). Of course you can choose not to do that, and do things as usual and let the young and healthy survive.
A question to forum members:
I am a little hesitant to make this comparison, but, we do have an episode in our history where just that happened. What I wonder about is this: in that horrible couple of years, lives of weak, old and “degenerate” people were ended actively. If we propose to open everything up, knowing full well that a lot of people, hopefully not us, but the unhealthy, the old and the poor, will die. Is there really a moral difference?
In all honesty, I do not have an answer, I just want to raise the question, and, as hinted at earlier, I’m not sure if this is a valid comparison at all.
Last but not least: are we sure that people with antibodies will be resistant in a second wave? I personally prepare for the situation where this is not the case (here is why) . This virus exhibits truly remarkable traits, so, imo all bets are off (especially with your own life at stake).
I personally am in favor of opening the system, but with enforced mask wearing in public spaces, transparent communication, and with paid self-quarantine diagnosed flu-like symptoms & paid self-isolation in the case of diagnosed SC-2 infection…
I’m not an expert. I worked in China for 5 years for my company. When I came back to the Netherlands in 2002, I was shocked about the change: everybody was talking about investing, people borrowed a lot of money etc. I tried to understand what caused that change: the finalization of everyday life. In 2003 I bought gold and silver. Both do not hold any utility, but in every modern financial crash, hard assets did help people. I’m not rich, but I bought enough to buy us some time, just in case the economy totally crashes.
The utility to me is that I do not have to worry about it anymore. You are right however: a plot of land, low monthly costs, good friends etc would also be of great value, even if nothing bad happens. It is always wise to diversify.