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I have been reading, and I really, really didn't want to post, but i'm going to anyways. I have to do it quick, and this is but one point that I want to address.
jdye51, you said at some point in this conversation, that you prefer a "turn the other cheek" mind-set and referenced Jesus Christ, and His teachings. First, I think you have grossly misinterpreted the message, but that's common and since you have proclaimed that you're not necessarily a Christian (which mean you're not at all, by the way. There's no fence-riding allowed) it is understandable that you'd hear this quoted or maybe even read it yourself and think, "Hmmm….that sounds nice."
Maybe you never heard this one, though;
Jesus travels to Jerusalem for Passover, where He finds the money changers in the Temple. He becomes angry, overturning their tables, and running them out, shouting and accusing them of turning the Temple, which He calls, "my Father's house" into a den of thieves.
This is a very clear, distinct example of The Son of God, Himself, demonstrating protectiveness via violence and acting as a "warrior" when something He holds close to His heart is threatened. Jesus, was a man. A spiritual being, having a physical experience, as I believe you stated in the same post. He was as spiritual a being as one could be, yet, still human and still a man. He physiologically responded appropriately to a threat to His Father's house.
I had to make that point, and I have to jump off now. I've a lot more I'd like to say, and I may or may not. But that had to be said. Sorry, I know you all are trying to stay focused and not get all over the place!
If a very close friend of mine, who happens to be gay, had read your preachy, accusations towards Aaron, he would've proudly snapped his fingers right in your face and said, "B*tch please! The only thing people aren't tolerating about you, is your stupid pedestal." He also would tell you that you are not behaving as a proud member of the gay/lesbian community, and would agree with Aaron that you're making yourself a victim. It's true. I actually let him read the thread and that was his response.
youweren't targeted for being lesbian. You got called out for having a crappy attitude and a chip on your shoulder!
As a straight woman, here's my equivalent to your complaints…
I am an openly straight, white female. Because I was born this way, I am subject to constant sexual harassment from men. I also have to deal with the constant back-stabbing and gossip from my own gender. If I stand up for myself to a man who makes unwanted sexual comments, I'm labeled a feminist bitch. If I stand up for myself to a "mean girl", she'll apologize, and then turn right around and keep gossiping. I'm constantly judged on my appearance, and rarely treated as an equal by a man until I've proven myself to be capable. But if I happen to cry, I immediately lose all credibility. And I have to deal with menstruation, childbirth, shaving my legs, do the grocery shopping and housekeeping…..bored yet? So is everyone else. Know why? Because each of us has our own daily difficulties that are unique to "how we were born". We have all faced hate, judgement, criticism, been called names, ridiculed for being different. It's life. You're a lesbin. Cool. I'm not. So what? I'm appealing to you, woman to woman, and I'm telling you I have experienced very harsh judgement, I've been the target of hate.
Dont assume the worst in people! If I'd gotten on some bitchy feminist soapbox, I'd expect someone would've called me out on it. Not for being a woman, or even a feminist woman. But just for having a bad attitude and trying to look for fights where none exist.
nobody is hating on you. I'm sorry if you've dealt with a lot of persecution that's lead you to be very sensitive if you perceive that you're being attacked. I'm being sincere when I say that. Nobody deserves to be hurt. I would simply ask that you truly take a step back and question your reactions, and be sure you're not simply defaulting to an aggressive demeanor. With thought and consideration, you may see things differently, and not label yourself as a target or victim.
Any female could say that she's felt at some point that some dude wishes she'd just shut up, know her place, and keep quiet. That's not unique to you! That's any woman's frustration! And I will tell you from my own experience, that a man who treats me like I should know my role? Isn't worth a reply.
But, Aaron did not treat you that way. Stop victimizing yourself.
Can you honestly tell me there exists in the world a country without dark, violent, bloody past hidden in their national attic? Throghout history, there have been sadistic, horrific, brutal acts committed. There are still countries in which people are subject to cruelty and torture, whether it be driven by a sociopathic dictator, cultural norms, antiquated rituals….these things are still happening in the world. Religious persecution, ethnic cleansing, women being publicly murdered for bringing shame on their family, because they were raped!
You will not find a place in this world that doesn't have an ugly past. And yes, we are one of those places. Personally, I'm very grateful that if I were raped, I wouldn't then be murdered by my own family. I'm glad I'm not a young African girl in a rural village, about to be subject to genital mutilation. Hey! I'm glad I'm not even an unfortunate tree that happened to grow in North Korea.
Point? We have a lot to be grateful for. America is still a nation of good people. And there are some bad SOB's as well. But really….lets have some perspective. When you lose sight of the reasons we are blessed to have been born in this country, you stop caring. When you stop caring, you stop fighting. When you stop fighting, you lose. We are at a crucial point in this country, where we absolutely cannot afford to stop caring.
If our nation goes apathetic, we will become North Korea. Please, don't make me live in North Korea. Seriously. I hate that place.
You took the quote out of its context and made it something it wasn't intended. Bad form.
its quite possible Aaron may have missed her statement, or was focused on a point and didnt realize that it could be considered callous.
But thank you, for proving my point from my post, which is that we just seem to keep thriving on anger and pointing fingers. Really? Are we honestly going to take words out of context, and publicly attempt to humiliate?
What would a lady do…..
this one would tell you that was a very inappropriate way to handle what was clearly not an intentional, cruel or malicious statement. A private message alerting him to the mistake would've Been a better way.
First, am I the only one willing to point out that whether for trendy reasons (Think Portlandia) or a true concern over resource consumption and a failing economy, there currently exists a grand movement toward self-sufficiency, repurposing, recycling, and "green" living? "Mother Earth" isn't freaking weeping! She's damn proud that her rebellious, teenage inhabitants are growing up, and making better choices! For goodness sake! Lets show a little acknowledgement for the steps that ARE being taken. Gen X-era folks are jumping on the bandwagon the Millenials are truly pioneering. Yup, I'm giving those crazy, hipsters some credit for annoying the crap out of me for years with their droning on and on about organic this and that and chickens in the cities. They wanted to set themselves apart and be radical and different. Typically, attention-seeking behavior just irritates me. But here is what they've managed to accomplish; Knitting and crocheting were not popular activities for girls when I was in highschool or my early 20's. Now, sewing and clothes-making has become a coveted art, once again. You can now walk into locally owned restaraunts and play cards, dominos and shuffleboard….Social interaction increasing without a computer. Folks are gardening, keeping small farms, solar power is mainstream now, instead of something only seen used by creepy compounds. In a tech-driven society, we have managed to actually regress, in a positive way! Mother Nature is high-fiving us! And whome do we have to thank for truly promoting improved resource utilization and self-sustainability? Those pesky Millenials. Well done, kids!
Now, I realize the concern over our economy, dwindling resources, and the need for survival prep has been on the minds of many for quite a while. I am acknowledging those who have been devoted to these concerns and putting great efforts towards involving themselves politically to make change, as well as preparing themselves for a catostrophic collapse. I see and recognize the efforts that have been in place since long before millennials learned to pee pee in the potty. It is you folks that I applaud, for pushing beyond the labels of being paranoid or even just plain crazy, and continuing to practice what you preached at a time when self-sustainability wasn't so popular. That, takes courage and dedication.
Our youngins are doing good things, though! They took those ideas and popularized them as only a youthful generation can. How did the Millenials choose to rage against the machine? They started community gardens, bought chickens, demanded organic food, popularized permaculture and took up their knitting needles. Way to be, kids!
Now that I've got that out of my system…
To address Aaron's comments above. I couldn't agree more – with every word. First of all, we are free to live various lifestyles, and we are damn lucky to have that ability. Before we entirely condemn our country, let us remember that alternative lifestyles will get you killed in other parts of the world, and nobody wil protest on your dead-ass's behalf, because they don't want to end up in the plot next to yours. You are free to live as you need to, but don't you dare expect anyone to cheer you on. Be happy with yourself.
Entitlement, is a dangerous mind-set. your lifestyle choices DO NOT entitle you to anything. Nothing. You win, nothing. And guess what? Niether do I. Sexuality, race, religion….none of those gain you any special rights. If being a African-American, catholic, homosexual entitled that individual to special rights, then inversely, I could claim dicrimination just for being a white, Protestant, female. Claiming that because you live a certain lifesyle you should have a different set of civil rights and liberties than I do sounds dangerously close to an "Animal Farm" ideology. And that book made me sad…
The American Experience. Have we no pride or patriotism left? The American Experience is what you make it. And why is that? Because technically, we still live in a free society. While that ability appears threatened, it is still in play. Tolerance doesn't mean anyone has to love you for your life choices. It means that we strive to accept each other, despite differences that may interfere with our own personal belief system. Try it, sometime.
Now, lets talk History. Who's to blame for our current situation? War. Who brings about war? People. We all know the lesson about not learning from history and being doomed to repeat it. War is bad for the minds and souls who experience it. Our country was established by war. Our founding fathers were PTSD'd-out, traumatized guys with no idea how to deal with it. They wrote The Constitution with war-torn hearts, and prayers that maybe this document would be the key to a fresh start, where folks could live in peace, and there would be no more cause for war.
Sadly, people are flawed, power corrupts, and war has continued. Generation after generation has dealt with war, rendering children raised by alcoholic and/or abusive parents because we ignored the trauma that permanently changed our nations men and women. And so the child is raised in a war-zone within the home, and the cycle continues. The sins of our fathers, and mothers, continue to scar each generation. Those children who are resilient enough to stop the cycle take steps to change their lives and start fresh, with a prayer. This time, there will be peace, and no more cause for war.
We, as a society, are all to blame. Culturally, we are a nation identified as being power-seeking, because anthropologists have witnessed our pattern of power equalling success. Success, is the standard we use to measure each others worth. And what does power do? It corrupts. Each of us has the personal responsibility to change this cultural norm. Its ironic that we live as a free nation, and yet we're all such control freaks! Stop the blame game. Stop the anger. Find a new unit of measure, when you measure a persons worth, and your own. We all have a choice to start fresh, with a prayer for peace. And while we cant stop war on the global level, we can stop warring with each other and ourselves. Stop being so pissed off at everything. focus on your home, your hearts, your needs, practice tolerance, and buy a few chickens.
In the midst of a glorious response to so many well-thought out points, questions, theories and other….my phone died, and that is just damn frustrating. But I will be replying tomorrow, because this is a great discussion, and I want a piece!