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    The Vaccines: Awesome Ingenuity or a Huge Mistake?

    Are these vaccines a huge mistake?
    by Chris Martenson

    Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 6:49 PM

Video Description

Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche has two things; a very long career in industry vaccine development and a theory that these vaccines — as configured and rolled-out — represent a gigantic mistake. One that will cause immense harm in the future. Is he right? Is he wrong? We don’t know, but his ideas deserve to be heartily debated and discussed, not censored and shut down.

Why? Because the science isn’t settled and we deserve to know.

As you know, the COVID-19 vaccines are being steam-rolled out and the social, corporate, and governmental pressure to take them is immense. In this video, I introduce you to Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche’s controversial critique of this initiative. Dr. Bossche has devoted his entire career to vaccines, so I invite you to consider what he has to say about mass vaccination using these vaccines during this pandemic.

As always, you decide what to do with the information that’s revealed here, and during the full interview.

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  • Tue, Jun 22, 2021 - 7:52pm

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    LesPhelps

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    Very well articulated hypothesis

    It’s important to remember it’s a hypothesis.

    What would be great is Chris interviewing an expert who’s hypothesis is pro vaccine.

    It would provide a balanced picture and confirm that Chris is open minded on the subject, as any science oriented person should be.

    My experience with medical professionals has been different.  All the doctors, nurses, dentists and ophthalmologists I’ve had dealings with are vaccinated, are pro vaccine and some are disappointed in the progress of the vaccine effort.

    I have several doctors and two nurses in my family, all vaccinated.

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  • Tue, Jun 22, 2021 - 8:07pm

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    It is not an issue of pro-vax or anti-vax.

    It is not an issue of pro-vax or anti-vax and people who reduce it down to this are simple minded gits.

    In parts of Nazi Germany the undesirables, Gypsies, Jews, Homosexuals, etc. were given "injections" that killed them. Any who refused must have been "anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist nut jobs" right? Grow a brain people.

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  • Tue, Jun 22, 2021 - 8:45pm

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    helmadi said:

    Pro-vaccine experts are already all over the mainstream media

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  • Tue, Jun 22, 2021 - 9:26pm

    westcoastjan

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    data please, Les

    We on this site have produced reams and reams of data, especially during Chris's absence, to try to figure this out. In all that time I never saw you or anyone else providing data driven rebuttals to what we were providing.

    It is on YOU to provide the people, data, and rebuttals to refute the evidence we have thus far. It is not on US or CHRIS to do your homework for you - it is up to you to bring YOUR evidence to us to consider.

    Until you can put up facts & data that we can collectively weigh and consider, your arguments have no merit - in my opinion.

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  • Tue, Jun 22, 2021 - 9:54pm

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    Reply to Les

    Thanks Les for your perspective.  It's good that we can share our thoughts and opinions.  My daughter who is a healthcare professional also (against my advice) took the jab.  She believed the false narrative being pushed upon her by "science" the government agencies, and peer pressure.  We have been lied to since the beginning of the scamdemic.  Millions of "cases" determined by fraudulent PCR tests.  People scared to death forced to hide in their homes.  Vaccines granted EUA when effective treatments were known.  VAERS has confirmed the dangers of the vaccines and yet they continue to be pushed even upon our children and grandchildren.  I'm sorry if you can't see there is a dirty agenda here (whatever it may be) besides the hundreds of billions of profits to the vaccine companies.  I am sorry too if you can't see that the "scientific journals" have been corrupted.  The truth is that the "vaccines" don't prevent one from getting or transmitting Covid.  The long-term effects are unknown.   I sincerely pray that you, your family members, friends, and all those including my friends and family who have taken the vaccines aren't negatively impacted. When proven safe I may consider it....but not until then.

    Edit to add: Les, I don't think most here are against vaccines (including me) We have been given good reason not to trust those pushing the lies. One lie leads to another, before long everything becomes a lie. This isn't about who is right, it's about what is right. When open debate and science is stifled and suppressed at the cost of human lives people need to be held accountable.

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  • Tue, Jun 22, 2021 - 10:09pm

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    A mass-scale GOF experiment...

    Here's my quick capsule summary: We are conducting Gain-Of-Function research on a mass scale, because we have a large enough cohort of unvaccinated people who act as a resevoir which is in constant contact with the vaccinated population. Thus a vaccinated person may be repeatedly challenged by community transmission, over and over, without getting sick. It's analogous to "serial passaging" in the lab... you keep doing it long enough and eventually you'll get a breakthrough mutation.

    Of course, on the one hand, this can be taken as an argument to vaccinate more people more quickly. But it's an even better argument to stop dithering and obfuscating about the highly effective treatments we already have available. In particular: Vitamin D, Ivermectin, and Fluvoxamine, but also including Vitamin C, Quercetin/EGCG + Zinc, Melatonin, Bromhexine, Famotidine, etc..

    A prudent deployment of these interventions could terminate this pandemic rather quickly.

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  • Tue, Jun 22, 2021 - 10:13pm

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    Transmission

    It's still unclear to me how these injections prevent transmission. I have seen numerous people make the assertion that they do without explaining how. In my simple engineering brain, these injections produce antibodies in the blood. Whereas the infection first presents on the surface of the lung. How do antibodies in the blood get to the surface of the lung in sufficient quantities to neutralise the virus and prevent transmission?

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  • Tue, Jun 22, 2021 - 11:14pm

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    nyhetersverige said:

    https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

    Question: Do those on IVM who get attacked by Covid: do they achieve a natural immunity of any kind?

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 12:07am

    AlvezPopinov

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    Les Phelps

    Another hypnosis would be grate.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 12:44am

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    Let’s keep it respectful

    I don’t think Les was being unreasonable. He’s simply suggesting it would help the conversation to hear a different perspective on this topic. “Pro vaccine” is shorthand.

    Calling people simple minded gits and telling people to grow a brain is not an argument. It’s just a tool to shut down conversation and feel superior. Save that shit for Facebook. Since you’ve only been on PP for six months show a little humility.

    To helmadi #3’s point, sure Pro vaccine experts are all over the corporate press but the mainstream never gives a deep dive like Chris does in his interviews. It would be good to hear the strongest case for vaccines and hear the rebuttal to this hypothesis. That’s how you hone in on the truth and sharpen your arguments.

    To #4 and #5, If Les was making an argument then  sure he would need to bring data. But he wasn’t. And he also never suggested he bought into any false narrative or the “mainstream lies”. He was just asking for more info and sharing his observations.

    For the record, my personal interpretation of the Covid response and media and govt agency lies and failures is very much in line with Chris’ take. I just want to caution against attacking honest inquiry and shutting down debate by piling on. There’s enough of that on the internet and this community is better than that.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 1:47am

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    Reply to TaiwanJohn

    You said,

    We are conducting Gain-Of-Function research on a mass scale, because we have a large enough cohort of unvaccinated people who act as a resevoir which is in constant contact with the vaccinated population. Thus a vaccinated person may be repeatedly challenged by community transmission, over and over, without getting sick. It's analogous to "serial passaging" in the lab... you keep doing it long enough and eventually you'll get a breakthrough mutation.

    I agree with almost everything you have said but there is something subtle in here that I think is important.  Maybe it's the propaganda getting so deep inside your head that you don't even recognize that it's propaganda anymore.. but I see it immediately because I know they (TPTB) are constantly working to deomonize the unvaxxed as being, "The problem".

    Look what you said above, in bold.  On the one hand, we recognize that vaccinated people can get sick, especially from variants.  We must also assume that they can transmit, right?  Why does your statement suggest that the unvaccinated are the, "reservoir"?  Wouldn't the reservoir include the vaccinated who can still harbor the virus also?

    Now, I think it's fair to say that the unvaccinated can potentially contribute to the reservoir, but from a population macro GOF perspective, they DO NOT put the virus up against the same evolutionary arms race that the spike-protein vaccinated do.  The vaccinated are the main cohort driving the immune escape.  Naive immunity doesn't put the same pressure on the virus... Wanna see the science?

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0250780

    Risk of rapid evolutionary escape from biomedical interventions targeting SARS-CoV-2 spike protein

    SARS-CoV-2 is commonly considered to acquire mutations more slowly than other RNA viruses [1,2]. However, the SARS-CoV-2 mutation burden and evolutionary rate (1x10-3 substitutions per base per year [2]) have only been estimated under conditions of neutral genetic drift (distinct from antigenic drift) [3], in the absence of strong positive selection pressure provided by population-level immunity or other interventions that select for resistance mutations. In immunologically naïve COVID-19 patients, viral load and transmission [4] peak near the time of symptom onset, while the host antibody response peaks approximately 10 days later [5]. Thus, transmission in immunologically naïve individuals occurs well in advance of the appearance of a robust humoral response. These kinetics suggest the immune response in naïve individuals exerts limited selection pressure on the virus, consistent with direct genetic evidence from deep sequencing showing little to no positive selection [6]. Hence, the evolutionary rate prior to the widespread deployment of vaccines or development of natural immunity (based primarily on neutral genetic drift) may underestimate the evolutionary potential of the virus to evade nAbs deployed as active immunity (vaccines) or passive immunity (nAb prophylactics). When nAbs are broadly present in the population, population-level selection for antibody-evading, infection-competent viral mutants may result in a rapid resurgence of SARS-CoV-2 infections.

    The unvaxed, with our naive immunity, are not the problem in terms of driving the evolutionary kinetics in our GOF population lab.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 2:03am

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    This IS Disgusting

    I opened the PP home page and saw this interview between Chris and Dr. Vanden Bossche was the headliner. GREAT! I've been hoping to hear Chris unpack and delve into the ideas of Geert. I watched the introduction and tried to click on the full video ... only to be informed that "SORRY. This video does not exist."

    That sickens me for several reasons. Firstly, that it was deemed to be misinformation by the algorithms at Youtube (I assume it was Youtube who was hosting it since the owners (Guugle) have a nasty habit of doing this.) Secondly, I'm sickened that Chris still supports the owners of Youtube by posting content on their site that makes them money.

    Obviously, the video pointed out shortcomings of this "vaccine," namely that it is not a sterilizing vaccine and hence, promotes variants to propagate. As we know, virus is gonna virus. It is what they do. They make imperfect copies during replication. Most of the imperfect copies fail. Occasionally, one of these comes out that can avoid the limited immunity and start replicating in the "vaccinated" individual.

    Getting back to Youtube and their draconian measures to disappear videos under the guise of "misinformation," why is the truth so damning to their campaign?

    Grover

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 2:12am

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    T.McKinney said:

    I agree with you Grover….where do you suggest Chris move his platform?  We should never support those that suppress free speech.

     

    do you suggest Chris move to?

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 2:18am

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    stealyourface said:

    I get the same thing Grover. Even under the premium content (which is usually Vimeo) says "Sorry. this video does not exist." I've never had that issue with the previous premium content

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 2:44am

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    The graphs, the graphs.

    How does an avid vaccinator answer these historical graphs that show zero effect on the infection rate of any disease?

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 2:56am

    Arthur Robey

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    Not "Nazis" again?

    In parts of Nazi Germany the undesirables, Gypsies, Jews, Homosexuals, etc

    The German method of execution was traditional. A bullet to the back of the head or a firing squad.

    (Sheesh! The rationalizations that people will go to on order to avoid their stupidity and guilt! We bombed our Kinfolk into a bloodsoaked rubble at the behest of our Masters, the Banksters.)

    This thread runs through history up until Qaddafi who tried to sell oil for Gold.

    I am not sorry to tell any and all civilians that there is no "nice" way to wage a war.

    The next one will be as bloody and brutal as the last.

    Best to not go there.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 3:23am

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    Canuckian

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    The graphs, the graphs.

    Indeed. It would seem that at some point scientists lumped viruses in with germs, and the misinterpretation has become dogma. They are very different. Please watch talks by Zach Bush MD for a fascinating account of what viruses actually are. Hint, we would not be here if it weren't for viruse; viruses do not kill us, our poor health, including the state of nature, is what is killing us.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 3:52am

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    Is it just me?

    Driving to work this a.m., listening to NPR interviewing some vaccine toady, praying my head wouldn't explode.  I can't remember the exact wording, but the woman doing the interview asked a question, something the tune of "But will the vaccine actually keep you from (something undesirable).....?"  It was definitely questioning the MSM narative and the interviewee certainly didn't properly answer the "real" question.  And it was the second or third time in the last 3 or 4 days that I've detected such straying from the narative by an NPR personage.  I don't have access to other MSM, so, is it just me, or are there chinks developing in the MSM armor (after 15 months)?  Aloha, Steve.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 4:51am

    Grover

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    Multiple Platform Suggestion

    Tonya McKinney wrote:

    I agree with you Grover….where do you suggest Chris move his platform?  We should never support those that suppress free speech.

    Tonya,

    I wish I had an answer. I've had bandwidth issues with bitchute and vimeo where the video downloads v-e-r-y slowly and pauses every few seconds while buffering. Is that just my link or is it endemic? I don't know. Stealyourface made a comment in #14 that the video was suppressed in the premium section. Lots of ways to interpret that. Was it blocked on PP premium? Is it the same video and hence same provider? Is Stealyourface a premium "vimeo" subscriber and couldn't find it on their premium platform?

    I know that Youtube is the 800 pound gorilla and that it is the best place for Chris to advertise his expertise in order to be able to afford hosting this site. I can see that he would use their services as a promotion vehicle. Why can't he post his material to other video hosting services as well? Perhaps he could post it to as many as reasonably possible and provide links to each platform. I'd love to have the option to see this interview. I'll even give feedback on which platform fits my needs the best. Let the herd decide which provider does it best. I suspect we'll coalesce to a few platforms relatively quickly.

    Let Youtube step up to the plate or slit their own throat. I don't use them if I have viable alternatives, because, like you, I don't want to support those who suppress free speech. For the same reason, I use DuckDuckGo.com for my search engine because they don't track me like guugle does. Oh, and guugle owns Youtube, right? Let's starve the bastards until they get it right.

    Grover

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 6:43am

    MarkM

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    Florida

    DeSantis signs a bill into law hailing "No vaccine passports", yet deep in the bill is this,

     

    https://freeflorida.me/thread/451-law-signed-by-desantis-will-not-prevent-forced-vaccinations/

    1107 b. If the individual poses a danger to the public health,
    1108 the State Health Officer may subject the individual to isolation
    1109 or quarantine. If there is no practical method to isolate or
    1110 quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use any
    1111 means necessary to vaccinate or treat the individual.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 6:52am

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    Data gathered from medical sources about spike protein's organ distribution- Ovaries #1 Bone marrow #2

    !6 minute YT video-
    "Spike protein is very dangerous…”R. Malone, S. Kirsch, b.Weinstein. This gives a very brief summary of information between 2 doctors, and an engineer. One of these is the developer of how to use mRNA for vaccines. He states the anti-freeze in it allows the vaccine/shot to spread from the arm throughout the body.  Other vaccines remain near the injection site and antigens form from there. The engineer wrote the article below.
     

    Should you get vaccinated? Steve Kirsche. 

    This is a “keep you awake at night” article. He got vaccinated as did his family before he heard from a Canadian doctor exposing the deaths/disability caused by it. The doctor was fired and removed from the hospital.
    In it is a graph showing the spread of the spike protein throughout the body. Of all the organs, the ovaries get the highest concentration by a long shot and  quickly too. Remember that unborn baby girls form every egg they will ever have while still in their mothers' womb. Then there’s breast milk...Intentional sterility?
    The second most common site is bone marrow. This means potential for blood issues like leukemia.  It also mean transference through blood transfusions, bone marrow donation, etc.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 6:57am

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    travissidelinger said:

    Kinda miss the old interview format.  The pictures are nice, but hearing the full conversion and having to relisten and pick it apart ourselves led to deeper learning.  Seemed more authentic too.

    Just my two cents

    -Travis

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 8:08am

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    Mary Greely news.

    Mary normally analyses Yellowstone for us; but here she discusses a Tender from the UK government for a quicky morgue to hold excess deaths.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 8:44am

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    No data needed Jan

    I didn’t make any claims that would necessitate data.  You know that.

    I suggested a platform that was unassailable balanced.  I would hope you desire the same.

    Probably like you, I have no desire to hear another opinion from Fauci, ever.

    Neither do I want to participate in confirmation bias.

    From the comments here, it would seem that many, or most of Peak Prosperity has chosen sides on the vaccine issue.

    I have not and will not until more time has passed.

    In the past, Chris has supported hypothesis that have later been rejected.  He has occasionally been wrong about timing.  He is honest about this.

    If the Peak Prosperity tribe has made a final decision about the vaccines, I will seek information on the subject elsewhere.  It’s simply not a problem for me.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 9:03am

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    Option Selection

    Hi Les,

    For me, I think we need to go right back to the origins when the western world was first alerted to SARS-CoV-2 which, if memory serves me right, was January 2020. Right there and then (or certainly the month after when information came pouring out of Italy) we should have had a discussion around option selection. Essentially, what options are available to us, what options will be feasible in the coming months, how do we rank them, how do we implement them, how do we monitor their success? This never happened (at least in the UK). Instead it was lockdown and vaccine. I am pretty confident, based upon all of the scientific literature that I have read and interviews I have watched, that will prove to be the wrong option. For example, how do antibodies produced in the blood by these jabs limit infection and transmission in the lungs? Dr. Bhakdi makes this point. I am yet to hear an answer. How effective is that as a treatment compared to Vitamin D, zinc and Ivermection, for example?

    Also: H/T to Arthur for those graphs.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 9:05am

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    Replying to No data need Jan

    Les, I really sympathize with what you are saying. We have to put all of our prejudices aside.

    But here is the problem for a lot of us. We see clear misinformation and clear disinformation being spread by the government and the media and it angers us.  In a reaction to that, we then tend to reject anything that they say based upon our gut revulsion over the fact that we are being lied to. It is very hard to keep to an evidence based outlook in that context.

     

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 9:11am

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    Since you can’t unvax,

    Those who are unvaxxred are those still evaluating all the data.  I will be the first to say if a vaccine that makes sense for me pops up I will get it.  I am constantly looking for data on how various vaccines work I just haven’t found the right fit for me.  The vaccines presently available to me are more risky to me than gaining natural immunity.

    I am watching this MMR study https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04333732 because this makes sense to me. Now with that said, it is funded by the Gates foundation so I will want to see the data and not just trust the narrative.  My WAG (wild ass guess) is that the MMR is about 50% effective which is good enough for me.

    I don’t buy cars in the first model year and I shop around for the right car for me.  Right now the only cars on the market are sports cars (stiff ride, no space, tendency towards danger) I’m waiting for the minivan (safer, more utilitarian, solid) but for now I can stick with the station wagon (natural immunity/MMR, good, old school, less flashy)

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 9:49am

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    Very well articulated hypothesis

    Hi Les, thanks for raising this. I agree we need to have a balance in the information feed and I'm sure Chris will adapt to any new findings from either side once they unravel. However the reason behind PP is to provide a different sound to the mainstream opinion, not in a total alarmist fashion but certainly outspoken when there is data or even evidence to support the statements. Chris does an outstanding job with the team on this, imho.

    Having said that, I do agree that we should have more honest debate between sincere experts on both sides. There are a lot of reasonable people I know of taking the vaccine, they can't be all misinformed or stupid as often claimed. Some are even working in the medical field so you would think they are not easily cajoled into anything unhealthy, but there is a strong narrative around getting the vaccine and it's almost impossible to stay neutral (especially if the jab is mandatory to do your job). Let's also not forget the increasing social pressure to get vaxxed and the upcoming blame game that is already building momentum towards the unvaxxed being responsible for the new mutants.

    From what I learned today, I'm probably lucky to be in the control group for the vaccine experiment but I'm still open for any argument that addresses the apparent concerns and which would move me towards vaccination with informed consent. At the moment it feels like false and potentially dangerous hopium.

    Be well.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 9:51am

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    I couldn’t agree more

    At this point, however, I have not personally found that all non official sources are negative about the vaccines.  I haven’t made it my life’s mission to research this topic, but I’m not seeing a lopsided split between people supporting the vaccine and those either waiting or opposed.

    Of the people I know, those firmly opposed to the vaccine are the most vocal and rigid in their position.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 9:51am

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    Consider this, Les, and mjscully

    What would be great is Chris interviewing an expert who’s hypothesis is pro vaccine.

    This is from Les's first post. Dr. VB is a world renowned vaccinologist. He has spent his career working on the development of vaccines. He stated unequivocally, several times, vaccines are his passion. "This is my passion!" He has said that from the get go of all his articles.

    A person who is not 'pro vaccine' does not spend their entire career working to develop safe and effective vaccines. He has never said he is not in favour of vaccines. What he IS saying, is that vaccines have to be done right, and that in this instance, he hypothesizes they have not been done right, and further, that this was done despite there being fore knowledge of the possibility of ADE.

    You would be hard pressed to find another interviewee who is more 'pro vaccine'. So I think you are framing your request incorrectly, Les. You want Chris to interview someone who will tell you that these vaccines are good and everyone should take them.

    The need to refute this hypothesis will be exceedingly strong, given that its correctness amounts to a potential / possible death sentence for the millions of people who have rushed into taking an experimental injection. There is a seriously strong vested interest / need to see this hypothesis proven wrong.

    When I say bring the data I mean you need to tell us why Chris should interview a specific person, not just 'someone'. Who are they, what are their credentials, what have they published and done in terms of providing information that we can consider. Tell Chris why he should expend effort and money doing all the research to prepare for and then produce an interview. It is not a simple endeavour. Why does Chris, or any of us, have to find that person for you? You have to 'bring it', Les. You have to contribute to our efforts to find the truth - which we all want to know. And I would like to think that we all hope the hypothesis is wrong!!

    I find there are way too many people posting here who are lazy lurkers who want to sit back and let others do the heavy lifting for them. People need to be more curious and be their own problem solvers as well as information researchers. It's not hard, but it does take time and effort, which is something I personally am willing to do given the seriousness of the decision to get the jabs. And for the record, as I have stated before, and as with many here, I am not anti-vaccine. I am vaccine hesitant. There is a big difference. But this is so not about being pro or anti vaccine. It is about what is right, as another poster said.

    I do empathize strongly with the predicament so many millions of people now find themselves in. I cannot imagine what it is like to have taken these injections only to find out after the fact that it might possibly lead to serious health complications or even death. It is akin to receiving a terminal diagnosis. It totally makes sense that people want to know this hypothesis is not true, and that they have not made a grave mistake... My heart breaks just thinking about the immensity of that.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 9:54am

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    Dr. VB is one person.  My question considered the possibility that there might be someone equally qualified who has a hypothesis different than VBs.

    That is the sort of open mindedness that I look for.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 9:55am

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    Great Idea - post on multiple plaforms

    Grover, I like the idea of posting the videos on multiple platforms…I really like Brighteon and it’s not slow.  Let market forces prevail and it would be amazing to take the power away from YouTube and G.  I also only use Duck Duck Go.

     

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 9:55am

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    Its up again!

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 10:00am

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    Alternative platforms

    James Corbett says Bitchute isn't very content creator friendly due to long upload times.  I believe I've heard him say he prefers LBRY or minds.com (after the #1 choice, his own website).

    On cars and vaccines, I've always been a used Toyota kind of guy.  Affordable, not flashy, highly reliable.  I'll rely on my station wagon but if I've got the Toyota (horse paste) in the garage if I need it.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 10:09am

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    I sometimes buy cars the first model year, with mixed results

    Getting the vaccine has issues.  Waiting to get the vaccine has issues.

    I have a loved one in assisted living.  All 90+ residents chose to be vaccinated, but one health care worker chose not to be vaccinated.  The worker caught covid.  When the residents were tested, eight residents and one other employee tested positive, but were asymptomatic.  Never the less, the facility went into quarantine for over a month and the asymptomatic worker missed work for two weeks.

    90+ people were largely confined to their room for over a month possibly because one person decided not to get vaccinated.   That’s 7.5 person/years of quarantine.

    As I said, not getting vaccinated can have issues and the person deciding not to get vaccinated may not be the only one who is affected by the decision.

    So far, I’ve said nothing more than I’m looking for unbiased discussion on the subject.  Peak Prosperity is under no obligation to provide a platform for that.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 10:14am

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    On getting a pro covid vax interviewee

    There are so many pro covid vax people on the msm just go there to listen to them. The people speaking out against the vax are the ones that get no platform on the msm. These are the people who’s views also deserve to be shared. I am fine with Chris not interviewing a pro covid vax person because of this. That way I get one side from here and the other from the msm.
    as for why i have not gotten the vax myself there are a few reasons

    1. already had the covid and have had bad reactions to some vaccines in the past (bells palsy)

    2. vax is not fully fda approved and I remember the issues with the anthrax vax back in my early days in the service

    3. there is not enough information out yet to accept or reject the null hypothesis (vaccine is safe) i have always found in my career in quality that a type 2 error of accepting a false null hypothesis always turned out worse for my plant in the end. So, in God we trust. All others bring data. I will wait for good long term data and then reevaluate.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 10:25am

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    Who is that someone?!?

    Who is it Les? Who do you want Chris to interview?

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 10:30am

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    The graphs, the graphs

    Arthur Robey's link to the graphs is one of the most important posts that has ever been put on this forum.  For an in-depth discussion, I would highly recommend Suzanne Humphries book, Dissolving Illusions.  It's important to those people who say, I'm not anti-vax, I'm fully vaccinated, just not so sure about this set of vaccines.  The mantra of safe and effective is a Big Lie.  An enormously effective propaganda campaign over the past few decades that set up massive numbers of Americans to not question an experimental vaccine.

    As to other provax experts that Chris might interview who might have opinions contrary to Vanden Bossche's, the only one that comes to mind is Michael Yeadon, and only on the issue of concern about variants.  Yeadon has other reasons to be adamantly against the C19 vaccines.  As Jim H has mentioned, Marek's Disease is an example where viral escape can indeed result in vaccine resistance.

    By the way, Vanden Bossche has repeatedly requested expert debate on his theories but people aren't willing to come forward.  You can only do it in the context of it not mattering if your professional career comes to an end.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 10:44am

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    That was overwhelming!

    Another astounding video Chris & team! I have read about Dr. vanden Bossche before, however listening to your conversation made it clearer why and what he says.

    We will know more in the months to come, so no need to have strong arguments from either side now (if there is one thing that bugs me in all this, is the certainty with which some are asserting their truths, especially "fact checkers" e.g. https://factcheck.afp.com/mass-covid-19-vaccination-will-not-lead-out-control-variants - this piece is from March 31, checked facts might have to be revised which hardly ever happens).

    The question after listening to the conversation that remained, "now what?".

    A few thoughts/questions:

    - The Vaxxed might be breeding new variants that are resistent to current vaccines. Can we revert or mitigate this process or the outcomes ? Was Dr. vdB referring to prophylactic/therapeutic medicine like Ivermectin ?

    - Ivermectin shows strong evidence in blocking the binding of the spike protein. Can we expect the same efficacy against new strains, which ultimately will use a different pathway than through the spike protein ?

    - Is my assumption correct that the strong virulence of SARS-COV-2 is attributed to the spike protein and mutants that theoretically get bred in vaxxed people will therefor use a different pathway.

    - Is it likely that a mutant can be more infectious through another pathway ? The original allegedly human engineers of the virus took this pathway for a reason. Could we potentially get lucky on this story so that the virus "mutates itself into extinction" ?

    Switching to dark mode here:

    Dr. vdB mentioned that it will be hard or even impossible to make booster vaccines for new strains, leaving the question how to get rid of the variants open. This would mean we could get stuck with possible super variants that are damaging to both the vaxxed and unvaxxed. This could very well, in a dark theory, be a (desired) end game situation in which we have to be locked dow regulary / indefinitely or forced to operate in local communities only (no national/global travel/shipping). This is indeed dark, but would contribute to an overarching theme in which we must address climate, energy and health issues as set forth by Darth Vader Schwab.

    All in all we appear to be in a big mess, from this conversation alone one should question why we always try to "enhance" nature. We are improved apes with limited brains and still try to outcompete mother Nature on things she practiced on for billions of years. We might have outstayed our welcome.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 10:45am

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    Some assumptions made in your story Les

    you assumed the unvaccinated worker was the first one with covid and gave it to the vaccinated people. It is possible that it was not the case. Before you go and accuse someone of spreading covid have you done contact tracing on that person? What if that person has a serious condition making it not recommended that they be vaccinated? You are now online dragging someone through the mud with zero facts besides knowing they had covid.

    if you live an interesting life odds are highly likely that decisions you make have an impact on other people’s lives. If you were going to donate blood and decided not to are you responsible for what happens to a stranger if they run out? Let’s ban cigarettes because of second hand smoke. Heck let’s just bad cars all together because people die in accident, right? If you want to control my right to have a vaccine for the common good, can the government now ban abortion for the common good? Birth rate in this country is dangerously low. Is it only my body, my choice when you agree? Can we compel other medical treatment for the common good? Where does it end?

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 11:08am

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    Dontknownothin said:

    You know Les,

    You made your decision it sounds like, so you don't get to reverse that. We all hope it doesn't turn out the way Dr Bossche is saying, but if it does, do you want to be known as one of the many who sold a lemon from the used car lot to those seeking answers? Misery loves company. Go join the conversation at the MSM to confirm your biases.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 11:25am

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    Consider another storyline, Les

    In a situation similar to yours, my 88 year old mom is in an assisted living facility with well over a 100 residents. They were all doing great - zero infections or issues all throughout the pandemic, up until the point when they got their first injections about 2 months ago. Bang! Within two weeks there was an outbreak. Immediate strict quarantine and harsh restrictions. Within a month, 27 were infected and 2 dead, on in their 90's and one in their 70's, both with preexisting heath issues (which ties in exactly with what Julius Ruechel said in his extensive investigative report).

    So was it ADE? or was it 'someone' - staff, caregivers or guests unwittingly infecting others? We will never know. But why is it that they were  managing just fine with zero infections and people coming and going all the time, and then they all get vaxxed and bam, there is an outbreak? Most of the infected were asymptomatic with little illness, except for the two fatalities. This seems to support the Dr. VB hypothesis of evolutionary pressure on the virus.

    Do you think it is possible this happened in the situation you speak of? That a resident was an unwitting asymptomatic spreader, and the cause of the outbreak. That is what I think happened at my mom's facility. They were told the 70 year old died of double pneumonia. I would bet that if they were to look his lungs would have found to be massively damaged by the spike proteins and blood clotting. I would bet the vax killed him, or put another way, that he would still be alive if he had not been injected.

    I concur with Mysterymet - you made assumptions without any data to back them up. It seem to me that your assumptions are based on your ingrained belief system, which appears to be that people who are not vaxxed are a danger to others. Please consider that there is a strong possibility that the reverse is true, and that new variants are being created because of the vaccinated, who are now putting everyone, both the vaxxed and unvaxxed in danger.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 11:28am

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    CCD recommending everyone age 13-64 get HIV tested at least once during routine healthcare????

    June 22nd CDC tweeted:

    Any idea why???????

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 11:59am

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    non-sterilizing shot

    I have a loved one in assisted living. All 90+ residents chose to be vaccinated, but one health care worker chose not to be vaccinated. The worker caught covid. When the residents were tested, eight residents and one other employee tested positive, but were asymptomatic. Never the less, the facility went into quarantine for over a month and the asymptomatic worker missed work for two weeks.

    Yes, that's unfortunate.  I had to go through something similar.  It was annoying for sure.

    But you are conflating the efficacy of the shot with the policy of the nursing home.

    If the policy had been: "anyone testing positive is immediately shot on sight, right along with all their close contacts", then (I'm guessing) you'd be really unhappy about how the unvaxxed fellow got all these people at the home killed - not taking into account that the nursing home might have had an absurdly restrictive policy.

    A critical point: this shot is non-sterilizingYou can still get infected, even with the shot.

    So if that worker had been vaxxed, and then tested positive, and the same series of events had unfolded - how would you feel about the outcome?

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 12:37pm

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    westtxmom - I immediately thought of this article I saw months ago. This was from Australia Dec 2020.

    Or maybe it's that "odd" furin cleavage site on SARS-COV2

     

    "The vaccine contained small fragments of an HIV protein, which helped stabilize the vaccine. Some of the participants developed antibodies against these fragments, and these antibodies triggered false positive results on some HIV tests.

    It's important to note that there is no way for the vaccine to cause an HIV infection, because it contains harmless fragments of the virus.

    Trial participants had been informed that they might generate some antibodies to this portion of the vaccine, "but it was unexpected that the levels [of antibodies] induced would interfere with certain HIV tests," the CSL statement said."

    https://www.livescience.com/australia-covid-19-vaccine-false-positive-hiv-tests.html

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 1:27pm

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    Westcoastjan

    I assumed Peak Prosperity was an open minded forum.  Please forgive my ignorance.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 1:41pm

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    Delta: Deadly variant or political scariant?

    https://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2021/06/political-scariants.html

    Watch the embedded 2.5 minute video!

    …Just yesterday Fauci was saying that this variant is "the greatest threat to the United States’ effort to eradicate COVID-19 in its borders". Who thinks eradicating a respiratory virus within our borders is a realistic goal? Would that be the same people who want to open our borders to the rest of the world? Is the goal a globalist vaccine, and boosters until that happens? Could we discuss this--from a scientific point of view?





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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 2:29pm

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    Immunocompromised Vaccinees

    I remember reading that and thought, "wow, that's interesting".  On a somewhat tangential note, I looked for current vaccine trials regarding immunocompromised people at clinicaltrials dot gov and found a couple. One of them, trial i.d. NCT04844489 (est. completion date is July 2023), has as its summary: "Prospective, multicenter, non-comparative cohort study of immunocompromised people vaccinated against Covid-19 with the aim to know the humoral and cellular response to BNT162b2 [Pfizer-BNT] vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 variants. This study will enroll patients in 5 parallel sub-cohorts of the same size, distinct according to the source of the immunosuppression: autoimmune or auto-inflammatory disease, HIV infection, multiple sclerosis, solid cancer, organ transplantation with prospective data collection and constitution of biological collections"  [bold added].  The other similar (ongoing) trial has i.d. NCT04805125.

    So, should I rush to the ice cream parlor for a free lick or (be vaccine-hesitant and) wait two to three years to see who the last person(s) standing happens to be?  It's all a personal decision, IMO.

    "You pays your money and you takes your chance" ~ unknown, but probably from a smart, English language aficionado, and blackjack expert.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 2:30pm

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    Conflation of willingness to accept propaganda with open-mindedness.

    I see this all the time... those trapped in the MSM induced worldview accuse truth seekers as not having enough, "balance", or not being, "open minded".  Just as Jan pointed out that Bossche is among the most Pro-Vax scientists you will find, many of us are in fact open-minded or we never would have gotten around to forming our own opinions, outside of the mainstream.

    I think Evoutionary Biologist Bret Weinstein put it best a few weeks ago in trying to describe how it is that good, smart people, including scientists and MD's, continue to "see" the world the way the mainstream media and our government projects it to be, specifically in terms of Covid-19 therapeutics vs Vax.  He took the concept behind animorphic art, and suggested that these folks are trapped in an animorphic argument. 

    If we put ourselves in their shoes, where they have only seen the arguments against the efficacy of therapeutics like HCQ and IVM, force multiplied by a captured media, with the alternative data (like Chris interview here) being censored, you can start to understand where they are.  As Sandpuppy has confirmed to us, the entirety of the healthcare machinery is captured in this same animorphic position.  You go against it, you will get your ass fired (witness Simone Gold, MD, JD who lost her job as an emergency room physician for the sin of prescribing HCQ).  At the same time, once you comprehend the efficacy of IVM, seeing everything as it truly is becomes easy.. and you cannot "unsee" it.

    I have put 100's and 100's of hours into my own effort to understand what is true.. reading papers, triangulating data, following trails.  Many here have done the same.  My conclusion?  I would not try to talk an 80-year old with co-moribidities out of taking the shot... the risk vs reward is likely in their favor.  For almost anyone else, I would point them to therapeutics and supplements.  The idea of vaxing our kids and young adults?  Criminal, and I will fight against it with every fiber of my being, including calling out people here (like Travis) who waffle on this particular subject.  Line in the sand.

    So, am I open minded?  Have I approached this with an open mind?  Can I start with an open mind, spend 100's of hours doing research, come to the conclusion that my kids lives are at stake, and now be called, "closed minded".  Fuck that.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 2:42pm

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    open-minded

    Les-

    What's your definition of open-minded?

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 2:59pm

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    Line in the sand

    Others see it as clearly as I do;

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 3:25pm

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    This is not a vaccine issue, this is a public policy issue

    If they were all vaccinated and asymptotic why quarantine?  Send the sick worker home and go on with life.  You do realize the worker probably got Covid from one of the asymptotic vaccinated care home residents.

    IMO vaccinating the elderly in care homes makes perfect sense.  Vaccinating kids is stupid.  And frankly if the party line was, here is an option and you have to do what is best for you, I would have no issues with vaccines.

    I’m not sure what information you even claim to be looking for.  I’ve been watching this unfold for a year and honestly even the pro establishment types (Dr. Campbell, Dr. Mobeen, Dr. Seheult) have all either raised a few eyebrows or gone pretty quiet.   You probably aren’t going to find what you are looking for at PP in part because we have been mulling over this for a year but we might be able to point you in the right direction.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 3:59pm

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    UK NHS publication dated 6/18 shows death HR=6.6x for vaxed vs. unvaxed cases

    UK NHS publication dated 6/18 shows death HR=6.6x for vaxed vs. unvaxed cases

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/994839/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_16.pdf

    See table 4.

    Compare columns unvaccinated vs. fully vaccinated (“≥14 days post dose 2”).

    First row is cases, last row is deaths.  Divide deaths/cases for vaxed & unvaxed groups.

    Results:

    Unvaccinated: 34 deaths / 35521 cases = 0.095%

    Vaccinated: 26 deaths / 4087 cases = 0.64%

    HR (Hazard Ratio): 0.64/0.095 = 6.6

    I don't have the expertise or the software to calculate the p-value, but someone out there should be able to do this quite easily given these raw #s.

    I suppose it is likely that the # of cases as a % of the total vaccinated population is much lower than in the unvaccinated population, but regardless, the above data is cause for concern.

    Exploring that thought further, we can make some very rough guesses, if we make the broad assumption that the virus is exposing vaccinated and unvaccinated populations at the same rate.  If two-thirds of the UK population is indeed fully vaccinated, then the death risk from the delta variant is 26 for 2/3rds and 34 for the remaining third, so the HR for vaxed-to-unvaxed is 0.38 – which means that vaccination provides some benefit.   However, given the cost and risks, the benefit is measly – it’s roughly the same as taking vitamin D, gargling with salt water, or any number of very cheap, simple, non-risky things.

    But, this is the situation now.  If an escape variant comes along, then there will be an entirely different risk-benefit ratio.  Or, if the vaccine causes 50% higher risk in 20 years, that’s also an entirely different matter.  Or reproductive toxicity.  Or…

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 4:02pm

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    The word on Ivermectin is getting out there - new Joe Rogan podcast with Kory/Weinstein

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 4:14pm

    Mysterymet

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    Being open minded

    some people believe that being open minded means their opinion coming from your mouth.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 4:14pm

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    UK NHS publication dated 6/18 shows death HR=6.6x for vaxed vs. unvaxed cases

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/994839/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_16.pdf

    See table 4.

    Compare columns unvaccinated vs. fully vaccinated + 14 days.

    First row is cases, last row is deaths.  Divide deaths/cases for vaxed & unvaxed groups.

    Results:

    Unvaccinated: 34 deaths / 35521 cases = 0.095%

    Vaccinated: 26 deaths / 4087 cases = 0.64%

    HR (Hazard Ratio): 0.64/0.095 = 6.6

    I don't have the expertise or the software to calculate the p-value, but someone out there should be able to do this quite easily given these raw #s.

    I suppose it is possible that the # of cases as a % of the vaccinated population is much lower than in the unvaccinated population, but the above data is still cause for concern.

    Exploring that thought further, we can make some rough estimates, if we make the broad assumption that the virus is exposing vaccinated and unvaccinated populations at the same rate.  If two-thirds of the UK population is indeed fully vaccinated, then the death risk from the delta variant is 26 for 2/3rds and 34 for the remaining third, so the HR for vaxed-to-unvaxed is 0.38 – which means that vaccination provides some benefit.   However, given the cost and risks, the benefit is measly – it’s roughly the same as taking vitamin D, gargling with salt water, or any number of very cheap, simple, non-risky things.

    But, this is the situation now.  If an escape variant comes along, then there will be an entirely different risk-benefit ratio.  Or, if the vaccine causes 50% cancer higher risk in 20 years, that’s also an entirely different matter.  Or reproductive toxicity.  Or…

     

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 4:28pm

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    Kat43 said:

    Kathy, you said:  IMO vaccinating the elderly in care homes makes perfect sense.

    I don't agree.  Too many elderly die after  C19 vaccinations.  IVM for scabies outbreaks seems anecdotally to be very effective for C19.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 4:28pm

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    Les...

    I assumed Peak Prosperity was an open minded forum. Please forgive my ignorance.

    Now that is a cop out statement if I ever saw one.... is that your way of ending a discussion that you are uncomfortable with?

    Please let us know what you consider open-minded, and also who do you want Chris to interview? You must have had someone you were thinking about to have made the suggestion. If not, once again, I fail to understand why it is up to Chris or the tribe to identify who that prospective person might be.

    I think it is safe to say we all really, really want and pray that Dr. VB erred in his hypothesis. It would be most excellent if you could bring forth a properly credentialed person who can provide a solid scientific counter-hypothesis. Here is the kicker  though - that is on you to provide. That is the part you are either not understanding, or willfully ignoring.

    You stated in one of your posts you have not put a lot of research into this. I have. Like Jim and many others here I have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours trying to educate myself on what, for me, is a life and death decision. I do not take that lightly. I will continue to do so until I am able to make a good decision about my health and well being, both near and long term. I hedge my bets in the interim by adhering to a strong phrophylactic program. Because I have read & learned so much, listened to and weighed the opinions of all the wonderful wise contributors here, I am confident of my personal decisions - which according to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, and the Nuremburg Code, are mine to make.

    You also said that it seems that the most rigid and vocal are the unvaccinated. Might that be because we are feeling highly threatened?!? All of our rights are under heavy assault. There is a threat of the loss of bodily sovereignty, of personal freedoms to do what we want, go where we please, loss of job and careers, loss of a viable economy, as well as the loss of freedom of speech. So ya, we are feeling a tad antsy... Please forgive our ignorance!

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 4:31pm

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    My first post in PP

    Hello everyone,

    This is my virgin post in PP and just want to say HI.

    I am from Singapore and have been following Chris and his COVID coverage since March2020.

    Although [safe/effective]vaccines are a good response to the Pandemic, it is also imperative to have good therapeutics for those suffering from COVID-19[asymptomatic/mild or otherwise]. From the data about Ivermectin, Fluvoxamine, Zinc, Melatonin, Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Hydroxychloroquine etc it seem to be effective in either prophylaxis or treatment of COVID-19.

    Therefore it saddens me when I see this official treatment guideline from Singapore's National Centre For Infectious Diseases. Yellow highlights are made be me.

    SINGAPORE National Centre For Infectious Diseaes - Treatment Guidelines for COVID-19 v6.0_Final 2021.06.14

    Especially galling is when there is sufficent data for Ivermectin efficacy in COVID-19 prophylaxis and treatment. I am beginning to wonder if this is a giant conspiracy to cull humanity as we live in a finite resource world.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 4:49pm

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    Replying to My first post in PP

    Welcome

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 4:58pm

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    Susan7 said:

    I can’t this to play. I get an endless advertising loop (Autozone and McDonalds) I joined Spotify, no luck. What’s the magic password?

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 5:34pm

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    Eclectic1 said:

    Thank you Mike!

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 5:43pm

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    Wasted Talent

    For some of us, sarscov2 was nothing more than a bad chest cold we had in January of 2020.

    I'm seriously looking forward to the day that vaccines are no longer a topic of conversation for the Peak Prosperity forums. I know a lot of you folks take sarscov2 seriously, but I'm somewhat embarrassed at how America® (The only country with free, brave peoples) wilted like a wet leaf in the breeze by a souped-up version of the common cold.

    Seriously, I took the placebo and now I have life-long sarscov2 antibodies. What's your folks' problem?

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 6:08pm

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    Listening now, thanks. These guys are good as always.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 6:28pm

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    Les-

    What's your definition of open-minded?

    The same as yours.

    PP is changing.  It’s time for me to accept that.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 8:17pm

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    NPR coverage of vaccine menstrual impact

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=989933407&ft=nprml&f=989933407&fbclid=IwAR0fN3ADx6cOczeKThk6MLjJ7tAURZu_-GLpTNsoed1Gw6rPcN-Lz7Pg0L8

    Absolutely horrific. They paint it in the most generous light, and even then very disturbing. Women report significant complications without official recognition even in vaccine trials.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 8:51pm

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    Hohhot

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    It's a paradigm issue not about facts

    Sorry this is not a short pithy quip, but there are good references within. Bear with me.

    This is a paradigm problem not an information one. The bottom line is that people cannot accept that there could be a world-wide conspiracy that is looking to cut back on the number of peasants. In spite of in your face statements by the UN, et. al. to the contrary.  "If that were true, everything I know would have to change." That causes cognitive dissonance... and nobody likes it.

    Just in CA, Newsom is orchestrating famine by cutting off water to the farmers due to the drought. CA provides >50% US produce. The reservoirs were at 95+ capacity in 2018 and are designed to last through 5 years of no rain. How is it they're now empty? This author claims they've intentionally drained them to the ocean worsen the shortage under the drought. The CA relief bill is to pay farmers to turn farmland into wilderness and wetlands. That is a goal stated in Great Reset.

    https://journal-neo.org/2021/06/10/a-sinister-agenda-behind-california-water-crisis/

    Courts just authorized blasting 4 hydroelectric dams on the OR/CA border for a few fish.

    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/06/18/plan-to-raze-4-dams-on-california-oregon-line-clears-hurdle/

    Few more examples:

    1)The Rockefeller 2010 Future Scenarios spells out the coronavirus pandemic even to wearing masks.

             Then the scenario gets very interesting: “During the pandemic, national leaders around the world flexed their authority and imposed airtight rules and restrictions, from the mandatory wearing of face masks to body-temperature checks at the entries to communal spaces like train stations and supermarkets. Even after the pandemic faded, this more authoritarian control and oversight of citizens and their activities stuck and even intensified. In order to protect themselves from the spread of increasingly global problems — from pandemics and transnational terrorism to environmental crises and rising poverty — leaders around the world took a firmer grip on power.”

    https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rockefeller-foundation-paper-published-in-2010-predicted-how-a-pandemic-can-be-used-as-an-excuse-to-establish-global-authoritarian-power/

    2) The Johns Hopkins 2017  exercise had the SPARS Pandemic. In it is a whole chapter about the backlash against a hurried and untested vaccine that left millions debilitated.

    https://app.box.com/s/blv0656mrsg2g1938bht2vjxdns83w5f

    3) Deagel.com website has population drops in all Western nations.  The USA is over 70% by 2025. Deagle himself had an extensive military/government background and was hardly a conservative or Republican. It has been around for years

    In addition, Deagel included a lengthy disclaimer, which states:

    “After COVID, we can draw two major conclusions:

    1. The Western world success model has been built over societies with no resilience that can barely withstand any hardship, even a low-intensity one. It was assumed, but we got the full confirmation beyond any doubt.

    2. The COVID crisis will be used to extend the life of this dying economic system through the so-called Great Reset.”

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/04/doug-casey/shocking-2025-deagel-forecast-war-population-reduction-and-the-collapse-of-the-west/

    4) Event 201 sponsored by Gates (vaccine profiteer and eugenicist), Bloomberg Business ( Chinese bedfellow) and Johns Hopkins ( Home to now deceased transgender/gender fluidity term originator, psychologist Dr. Money. He conducted unethical twin experiments on their hallowed campus.)

    The prevailing American zeitgeist has always been government was ultimately interested in aiding their citizens as that helps the country be robust economically and militarily. Many cannot believe leaders would conspire against them.  Evidently historical events like the massacres in Cambodia by Pol Pott, Mao starving millions, and the recent history genocides in Bosnia/Herzegovina don't ring any bells.

    Read the exchanges between members with very different viewpoints. Having similar conversations with family/friends. I am appalled in daily interactions that strangers, especially those who have no medical background or admit they just don't bother to read/listen to that "antivaxx  stuff," feel empowered to berate me. Equally frustrated that although I have over 25 years medical experience, my opinion isn't good enough to sway over the MSM narrative.

    Had a sibling die of "CV." What really happened was complete medical mismanagement of pre-existing condition leading to collapsed lung/renal failure due to restricting access to doctors/tests/ hospitals. They tried to murder sib by over-sedating on vent then magically at 30 days, declared sib braindead with no testing and doctors wanted to withdraw vent. immediately. 2 EEGs and one CT later. no brain damage. With held sedation few days and sib woke up... intact. Died of continued mismanagement of other issues month after. They got their pound of flesh, and the hospital/doctors were richly financially rewarded.

    I am against this injection due to the plethora of evidence of ADE, disability, death in previous similar studies on both humans and animals. The Phase three trials do not end until 2022-23 and we have NO animal studies on this one. It's a pig in a poke.

    The PCR inventor Dr. Mullis stated it was NEVER intended to be used to diagnose anything.  This is the only deadly disease I've ever been told that can be asymptomatic and you have to be tested to know you're sick.  Funny how changing the definition of a case, as WHO did on the day of Mr. JoeB inauguration, or running varying numbers of cycles completely skews all data. (Disclaimer: Yes, there was Typhoid Mary, but she was the only case of someone being infectious who wasn't ill I've read of in history.)

    I am losing the ability to tolerate the vaccinated who haughtily inform me "If you cared about others, you'd get vaccinated." By all means, I should listen to your opinion about altering my body or making other life decisions, but refrain from offering advice to you. Plus if it works, you have nothing to fear from unvaccinated. This Group Speak reminds of the old parental idiom,"If your friends jumped off a cliff, would you do that too just to fit in?"

    Read Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under the Nazis by R. Proctor if you want to know the extent of evil the medical/scientific community is capable of along with politically guided conclusions. Nazis started the "Lives Not Worth Living" movement. Sound eerily similar to today's assisted suicide Double Speak?

    https://www.amazon.com/Racial-Hygiene-Medicine-Under-Nazis/dp/0674745787

    This time the stakes are much higher as it's world-wide.  Wake up people...

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 9:29pm

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    Netlej

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    Paradigm

    Hoh - For sure there is a paradigm shift but you are being led astray. There are no reservoirs in the world that hold 5 years worth of demand without significant inflows and many around the world are receiving a fraction of what are sustainable inflows for existing and increasing demand.

    Rivers flowing from the mountains to the sea? Thats down right wasteful gosh darn it!

    It is not just about a few fish, it is about the whole hydro-cycle, its about the entire biosphere. We have so completely separated/isolated ourselves from nature that we now believe that it is unnecessary and a waste unless we consume it.

    We are TOAST!

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 10:07pm

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    Hohhot said:

    Read your entry re: NPR, or as I refer to them, CCP light, and the menstrual issues.  Thank you for the post.

    This is a lengthy document by an engineer who vaccinated himself and family, and then learned of the detrimental effects. He got a lot of information from a Canadian physician who used FOIA.  In it is a graph of organ uptake of spike proteins. Ovaries are #1. The second place is bone marrow.  That accounts for issues with bleeding as it specifically interacts with platelets. Also means spike transmitted in blood transfusions.

    https://trialsitenews.com/should-you-get-vaccinated/

    Wish more of general public were open to the info.

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 10:13pm

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    No answers, Chris keeps an open mind

    I don't have access to the second half, since I am not a subscriber. I appreciate Chris' summary of questions and issues, rather than conclusions/assumptions.

    I have posted Drbeen's response to Bossche before which is essentially

    ==you can't get antibody response unless the whole (all parts) of the immune system is engaged, and that Bossche's assumptions/science is misinformed. I don't find that video right now.

    But I think Chris might address this issue, if he didn't already in his part 2. Much appreciate this site, and the discussions, links...

     

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  • Wed, Jun 23, 2021 - 10:36pm

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    So sorry for your loss, and thank you for your post

    Hohhot: you cover a lot of things, all of which resonate with me. I am so sorry for the loss of your sibling.

    This is your money shot statement:

    Many cannot believe leaders would conspire against them. Evidently historical events like the massacres in Cambodia by Pol Pott, Mao starving millions, and the recent history genocides in Bosnia/Herzegovina don't ring any bells.

    IMHO, and much to my (our) dismay, there are few sane bells left to ring... so serious shit is going to happen before those bells are 'un-rung'. Many cannot, will not, be un-rung; Fourth Turning kind of serious shit. This is, always has been a transition from one generational cycle to the next. Wars and seriously bad stuff happens in Fourth Turnings. We are living it.

    How it plays out is anyone's guess. I am still hoping that the truth will out, as it always does. Hopefully sooner rather than later... and hopefully before the Deagel forecast is realized. Given our vax compliance rates, the Deagel forecast for Canada may be on the optimistic side. 😢 Maybe that's the plan-we have an awful lot of coveted resources and people, especially those irksome environmentalists, keep getting in the way of the rape and pillage regime.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:00am

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    Paradigm issue

    Hohot, I agree there is a paradigm issue. MSM seems to have confined their viewers to a low energy information field, from which the critical energy needed to make the paradigm jump is just too high. It's no secret that they employ multiple coercive strategies to land their chosen messages across a broad base. It is impressive that each nightly production narrative is so simultaneously effective on so many people. It's as though they have perfected a metameric display algorithm that can take any data feed and convey it in colors realistic to every viewer, such that it becomes inviolately believable.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:01am

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    Time To Get Informed

    LesPhelps wrote:

    Les-

    What's your definition of open-minded?

    The same as yours.

    PP is changing.  It’s time for me to accept that.

    Les,

    That's a rather cryptic message. Rather than just accepting that the situation has changed, why don't you avail yourself to the hundreds of hours of research that JimH and a host of others have already done for the PP tribe concerning the vaxxines? Since this is a thread about Dr. VB's theory, wouldn't it be nice to read the detail that others have contributed? Here's a link to a thread that JimH created to discuss Dr. VB's theories:
    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche
    It has much more detail and links to other sources than what a ~hour long interview can possibly contain. So far, there are only 505 posts on this thread. I'm sure it will answer many of your questions and will also generate a host more. (Isn't that the essence of digging into a rabbit hole? Isn't that what PP has always been about?)

    In post #24, you wrote:

    From the comments here, it would seem that many, or most of Peak Prosperity has chosen sides on the vaccine issue.

    That is an astute observation. Many of us have read lots of the research. We've found unusual events that just shouldn't be able to happen in our hyper-regulated world. It's almost like the regulations that are supposed to keep us safe from the monsters are controlled by the monsters to keep us silent, uninformed, and/or separated.

    For instance, how much testing/verification has been incorporated into these novel mRNA vaxxines? Typically, it takes more than 7 years to got through the hurdles. These passed the regulatory gauntlet in ~6 months. The first step is to determine the doses and side effects. For the Pfizer vaxxine, they tested 10, 20, and 30 micrograms of mRNA encapsulated in cationic nano lipids and poly ethylene glycol. Antibodies were created at each level of mRNA. The results from the antibody titer were not distinguishable. It didn't matter which dose was supplied. They all produced about the same amount of antibodies. Given those results, wouldn't a reasonable mind question whether 10 micrograms of mRNA is too much? What would happen with 5 micrograms ... or 1 microgram ... or even less?

    Nope. They just went with 30 micrograms as the standard dose for each shot. Does that make sense to you? It sure doesn't make any sense to me if the world is still functioning as I'm expecting it to.

    Also, do you know that the vaxxine doesn't train the body to kill the virus. All it is supposed to do is train the body to recognize the spike protein. The mRNA uses the cell's protein manufacturing capabilities to manufacture these spike proteins. They're not even the same proteins that the coronavirus uses. Because of folding of proteins, it is more important to get something that looks like the spike protein than it is to exactly duplicate it.

    Since the body can manufacture glycine much easier than other amino acids, and because the models show glycine folds in certain ways, the developers have substituted glycine where ever they can. Does that bother you? It should!

    Have you heard about Mad Cow Disease? It is caused by an infectious protein also called a prion. What happens is the protein misfolds. I don't understand the mechanism, but it causes normal proteins to misfold in a similar fashion. When these proteins pass the blood-brain barrier, it causes the brain to turn into a sponge - spongiform encephalopathy.

    Researchers have identified the sequence of proteins that cause Mad Cow Disease. They call it a "zipper." It is a sequence of 5 amino acids in the protein that have glycine on each end. Because glycine is abbreviated as "G", their nomenclature lists the zipper as "GxxxG". The protein that causes Mad Cow Disease has 10 of these zippers in it.

    Turns out that because the vaxxine makers were so enamored with the body's ability to make glycine, they included instructions in the mRNA to make 5 zippers in the spike protein. (Please, open your mind up as much as possible and tell me that seems okay with you.)

    Remember that I said the vaxxines have 30 micrograms of mRNA (on average) per dose. Turns out that that quantity of mRNA causes the body to make approximately 13 billion spike proteins. Even a third the current dosage produced antibody results that weren't dissimilar. Why did they choose to include so many?

    Once the spike proteins are generated, they course through the body (including the brain. Think about the zippers.) Many are captured by the lymph system and end up in the spleen. Turns out that women's ovaries are the preferred repository. (Please, open up your mind as much as possible again and tell me that seems okay with you.) The spikes are also exhaled and exuded through sweat so that passers by can gain the "benefit" of the vaxxine without ever getting jabbed. Is that why the dose is astronomical?

    It's this part that scares the hell out of me. I want nothing to do with a vaxxine that doesn't kill the virus which causes a disease so deadly that most people have to be tested to find out if they've ever had it. I may not have that choice. There are prophylaxes and therapeutics that have been thwarted by our government, our journalistic media watchdogs, and the social media platforms. If those treatments were announced and followed, the plandemic wouldn't have existed.

    You've announced on this site that you have chosen to eat a vegetable based diet. Good for you! Your choice doesn't coerce me to do the same. Just so you know, I ate a smoked hamburger from a grass-fed, grass-finished steer I raised and supplemented it with a green salad from my garden to be washed down with a commercial beer. It was delicious! I have no intention to ever convert to your preferred diet and I really don't care what you choose to eat. Isn't that wonderful? We can both live as we choose and allow the other to exist their way. That may not be a choice with vaxxines because those who got vaxxinated can shed the toxic spike proteins to the unaware.

    Do you see why people who have bothered to study the literature may not appear to you to have a naïve open mind? I can back up everything I said in this post. If you are the slightest bit interested in retaining my respect, read the posts in the link above before asking me where I got this cockamamie information.

    Grover

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:29am

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    OMG Joe Rogan

    Rogan is only the biggest guy ever.  Mostly in the center.   Perfect.

    Home Run Kory & FLCCC team.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 6:44am

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    GarethWarren said:

    The irony here is Dr Geert is right, although the problem is the vaccines work but not to destroy the virus.

    With hindsight we probably should have used the vaccines like anti-biotics, just the serious cases protected and move on.  Now we have a wait and see, can covid adapt?

    The disease is not natural, it mutates far faster the a natural disease and makes some horrific changes to the body.

    We will see, and I did take the vaccine (AstraZennica), at age 40 I;'m on the threshold of benefiting from it.  Hopefully we learn to deploy the next vaccine more carefully and start using those anti-virals.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 6:52am

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    Joe Rogan - Back ground for who he is if you are not from USA

    Could someone give me a feel of how important culturally Joe Rogan is in the states?

    I have looked him by just searching on Duckduckgo, I get no other reference to other 'Joe Rogan' on the first three pages - (I am sure there other Joe Rogans in the states but getting name recognition sure ain't going to be easy!) so he is big.

    What sort of following has he? Is it widespread across the various classes/ groupings?

    I recognise both Pierre Kory and Bret Weinstein, so if this podcast is censored by the 'powers', it might be a some sort of own goal? (It has not been yet censored, but I noticed that he has caused controversy over 'wokeness' and Spotify have reportedly removed 40 of his podcasts.)

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 7:04am

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    Right On!

    Hohhot,

    I think the framework of a paradigm shift is the right way of thinking about this. I see the last 15 months as a sifting exercise; who are the dissidents and who are the collaborators? Whether that was intentional or not I cannot say, but that appears to be the outcome.

    The Government in the UK have basically utilised psychological warfare against the people following the Mindspace doctrine which helped establish a Behavioural Insights Team at the heart of UK Government. You really need to hear and see the Covid propaganda inflicted on the British people to believe it.

    Some fell for it, others didn't. What assures me we are right in our 'hesitancy' is what has come to light over the past year. Let's start with Ivermectin, a wonderfully cheap and useful molecule to treat Covid-19. Chris revealed this about a year ago. FLCCC have been using it in their protocols to treat Covid-19 patients with great success. And now it is finally gaining attention across the broader western world.

    Next, myocarditis. I first contacted the MRHA (the UK medicines regulator) on 19th May 2021 after reviewing their yellow card system along with reports of a suspected link with the Pfizer jab coming out of Israel. I got nothing back. So I contacted them again, they apologised and said they will chase. Now look at what came out of the CDC yesterday... suspected link between covid-19 jabs and myocarditis.

    My point being, the only way to get ahead of this nonsense and avoid harm is to distrust everything the regulators and politicians are telling you. That is the necessary paradigm shift required for optimum health.

    The next thing I worry about is the Pathogenic Priming and Antibody Dependent Enhancement which, as I understand it, are different mechanisms that arrive at the same result, the Cytokine Storm. Without Human Challenge Trials we have no way of knowing if this is a) a valid risk, b) how bad it will get. So I contacted the MHRA using a Freedom of Information request to ask have Human Challenge Trails been conducted in relation to the covid jabs - i.e. have people who have taken them been exposed to the live SARS-CoV-2 virus. Here was their response, "Regarding your specific questions, MHRA holds no data on any human challenge studies performed on subjects receiving the Pfizer, Oxford/AstraZeneca or Moderna vaccines." Simply unbelievable. And people want to assure me that it is safe?

    Furthermore, I get the sense this paradigm shift will require another element. I have recently begun reading the book of revelation which, as a heathen, is a hard thing to admit. But it is comforting to know that civilisations have gone through this before and survived.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 7:23am

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    davefairtex

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    joe rogan

    Yeah he's a monster presence.  From what I understand, Rogan's audience is twice the size of - say - Tucker Carlson, who has the largest audience on Cable TV in the US.

    So - "double Tucker" is a pretty big number.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/05/19/joe-rogan-moves-podcast-with-286-million-fans-to-spotify-drops-apple-youtube-other-platforms/

    ... Joe Rogan has 8.41 million subscribers on YouTube, which likely translates into hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue for him monthly ... and will largely go away over time as he reduces his content publication there. However, according to the Wall Street Journal, the Spotify licensing deal is worth north of $100 million for Joe Rogan, which will more than compensate for that loss of revenue.

    He also mentioned a few weeks back that he would not suggest the shot to a healthy 21-year old.  [Looks like Joe has read that IFR table and concluded that there's more risk from the shot than from the disease itself - for that age group.]

    This caused a bit of a fuss.  Naturally, the-not-jealous-at-all-at-his-success MSM ended up calling him a sexist, racist, and and a transphobe.  Left unaddressed was the actual issue of risk/reward for a healthy 21-year-old.

    "Science!"

    https://www.politicmag.net/trending/podcast-host-joe-rogan-clarifies-vaccination-comments-im-not-anti-vax-42315-2021/

    The TV host-turned media mogul regularly courts controversy for his blunt and sometimes inflammatory style on air. He has been accused of making sexist, racist and transphobic comments in his podcast. Rogan has denied these accusations and said his comments were taken out of context.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 7:53am

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    brushhog

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    brushhog said:

    To my way of thinking, keeping an "open mind" doesnt mean believing the same lies over and over again.

    I dont feel the need to give credibility to the positions of people who have been wrong, continually, since the beginning. Myself and others have made posts in the past listing all the misinformation, lies, and wrong assertions made by the people pushing the vaccines. They were wrong about the disease over and over, they lied about the lockdowns, they have lied about treatments, they have lied, demonstrably, over the entire course and spectrum of this 'pandemic' . I wont list all the misinformation here, the post would be too long.

    So, at what point are we justified in dismissing the assertions of the mainstream entirely? After 100 lies? 1000? 10, 000? Should we listen with "an open mind" indefinitely, regardless of the history? Should we listen to them just because they are on TV talking? From whence does their authority derive?

    Many here are way past the point of debating with mainstream narratives. The debate is over, it's been over for a long time, the mainstream lost. I have no interest in revisiting the same topics which, to any reasonable human being, have already been put to rest.

    Some few here want to keep going backwards and debating these same topics over and over. They refuse to accept that the mainstream narratives are not even worthy of consideration anymore. They may not be aware that we've all had those discussions over and over throughout the past year.

    At some point, in order to move forward, you have to take a position. Through exhausting debate, research, and discussion most on this site have moved to certain conclusions and positions. If you havent been part of it, or at least followed it, you will probably feel left behind and confused.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 8:26am

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    Warning to the West: CCP Planning a Bioweapon attack on US?

    I have been expecting another bioweapons attack - and this man is warning of just that.  While there has been some indication of foreknowledge by the Gates/Pharma/Globalist crowd, it is plausible that the CCP retaliate against Western sanctions and pressure as the "truth" about the origins of CV19 become inescapable.  Plus - if you're going to invade Taiwan and start a war with the US, the CCP couldn't ask for more incompetent and vacuous leadership than we have right now.  If the CCP ever plans on a decisive move against the US - now is the time.  I post this link for discussion because the ramifications if true are so severe.  Let's pray that this isn't our fate.

    https://defensivetraininggroup.blogspot.com/2021/06/miles-guo-20-june-2021-warning-to-west.html

    Rector

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 8:42am

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    re: Les

    You're right, changing for the worse. I hardly recognize the site and community I found to be educated, reasonable and focused on living a meaningful life.  I realize the need for content and whatnot and while Chris was a revelation in the early days of Covid, this place has devolved. I guess I have been "vaccindoctrinated" by the MSM and TPTB blah blah blah. I just got a block by Chris on Twitter for pointing out that the good Dr. Bossche is a quack. I guess having an opinion that probably 95% of the world also holds is too controversial to share with a guy I've respected for the better part of a decade who claims to appreciate open dialog and the sharing of ideas/opinions. It's fine to ask questions and explore the science but Bossche is not credible and that's not a controversial opinion.

    I'm just really disappointed in where things have come to on here and in Chris specifically.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 9:08am

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    brushhog said:

    "

    You're right, changing for the worse. I hardly recognize the site and community I found to be educated, reasonable and focused on living a meaningful life.  I realize the need for content and whatnot and while Chris was a revelation in the early days of Covid, this place has devolved. I guess I have been "vaccindoctrinated" by the MSM and TPTB blah blah blah. I just got a block by Chris on Twitter for pointing out that the good Dr. Bossche is a quack. I guess having an opinion that probably 95% of the world also holds is too controversial to share with a guy I've respected for the better part of a decade who claims to appreciate open dialog and the sharing of ideas/opinions. It's fine to ask questions and explore the science but Bossche is not credible and that's not a controversial opinion.

    I'm just really disappointed in where things have come to on here and in Chris specifically"

    The world is changing and so the debates and positions are changing. At the core of it, there seems to be a difference in world views that are being magnified by the current situation.

    Some of us believe in a hard truth. In a reality that exists regardless of what we think or believe. Others seem to believe that reality is defined by what people say. If the TV says that a guy is a quack, then it must be true.

    You say Bossche is a quack because other people say so. Thats the entirety of your position. Thats all the validation you need...people on TV said so....other people believed it, therefore = truth. There's a pandemic, the people on TV say so = truth. You have to wear masks and get vaccinated, the people on tv say so = truth.

    For myself and others here, we dont operate that way. The process of coming to conclusions requires objective facts, debate, consideration, etc. I really couldnt give a rats ass what anybody else says until Ive had the opportunity to consider the matter myself...objectively, rationally, and systematically.

    Personally, Im proud of Chris and happy with the direction the site is taking which represents a bold and thoughtful recognition of TRUTH, even in the face of so much opposition. Its courageous, intelligent, and unyielding.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 9:25am

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    Naturally, Any Notion Contrary To MSM Information Is Not Credible.

    Exactly why is Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche not credible?

    Does one take a vote, or count up all the positive and negative comments one can find on the Internet?   I should hope not.

    You see, it really is of no concern if the Doctor is positing an unpopular idea, or not.   Either the Doctor's theories correctly identify some aspect of Reality, or they do not.

    It seems to me the Doctor is not making an arbitrary claim, which can be ignored out of hand, but a reasoned theory regarding the behavior of a particular, engineered, viral pathogen, one which has been deliberately modified for enhanced ability to alter its genetic sequence...or signature.

    If the Doctor is incorrect, or correct, or partially so, the addition of more data about Reality will reveal the case, and allow for the proper modification and advancement of a new idea, or theory.

    There is no need to attack a person's idea, or theory, by attacking the person...and not the idea, itself.

    In any case, the issues surrounding these experimental, and toxic, injections are so numerous and serious...only a fool, or the uninformed, would  be eager to take them.

    But, once fooled, and with the S1 proteins coursing through one's body, it becomes counter-intuitive to expect such a fool to rationally come to the conclusion...they have been fooled...no matter the truth.

    Ya, plays the game...and, takes ya chances....

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 9:39am

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    Unfair

    Vilbas,

    That is clearly unfair. The majority here support their positions with scientific literature. If you want to challenge any of my points please just ask, and I will share the scientific evidence upon which they sit. Reading through this material and digesting it takes time, so I understand why not everyone wants to do it... Far easier just to slander others...

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 10:45am

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    I Love The Direction The Site Is Taking

    I'm loving "the direction" the site is taking overall.  This is of course distinct from loving every link submitted by every member.

    Whether its CM or Dr Kory or countless others you can see their strategies changing as "the virus" of Covid-19's mishandling evolves.

    This morning's comment frackus is a great example.  Chris spent, what, the first three minutes of that interview torturing us with Dr Bossche's extended CV.

    Why?

    Because he knew people would come on here saying, "Oh, Dr Bossche is a known crank.  Real vaccine experts don't take him seriously."   You know thats exactly how the NYT is gonna explain the Dr's position paper to the public.

    Im also heartened to see so many members able to articulate the nature of our process.  We are that great unacknowledged third group in society.  We don't "listen to the experts" and we don't "not listen to the experts".  We just want to know whats going on.

    Just give us the data.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 11:04am

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    Kat43 said:

    Grover, as to your comment about glycine folding and the zippers...  Glycine is the simplest of the amino acids.  It makes for a great hinge!  An issue with glyphosate is that glyphosate can substitute, poorly, for glycine and mess up proteins accordingly, so it's something you want to avoid in your diet.  I don't know why you would want more glycine in a protein than what it calls for, except that I guess it is easier to predict what the 3D model would look like if you're creating a synthetic protein.

    At any rate, that was an excellent post, thank you!  I hadn't previously understood about the zippers.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 11:16am

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    Multiple Platform Suggestion

    Grover, I found Chris's new videos on Rumble, up to Episode 008 (on Fauci).  The last few do not seem to be there yet.  Many 'Vlog'ers are posting their videos to other platforms in addition to Youtube.  However, to get a presence there, they need to advertise that their content is available on an alternate platform.  Some of the 'Vlog'ers have thousands of subscribers on Rumble now.

    There is a growing trend toward people avoiding Youtube and the other Big Tech platforms due to censorship and propaganda.  I am one of them and I agree with your sentiments.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 11:21am

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    It didn't have to (and doesn't have to) be this way

    That's the comment I keep thinking of as I browse through this and recent threads where people talk about how the site is changing, or talking about leaving (JAG).

    I don't have the long history here that others do but in my short time here I've found the membership to be mostly quite intolerant of the "dissenting" viewpoint. The site has become extremely self-selecting for a particular mindset and point of view. Those who don't toe the line are driven off by a variety of methods including (1) being ignored, (2) being mocked (sheeple, talking to you is like a power struggle, etc) and (3) outright aggression where people are told they don't belong, go elsewhere, etc.

    I recently saw a comment from someone...jan maybe...basically demanding that someone present "evidence" to support their viewpoint (which was a more positive vaccine viewpoint). Well, I could go out and find dozens or hundreds of tweets, articles, scientific publications that support the viewpoint that covid vaccines are safe and that most of the reported side effects are to be expected when you mass vaccinate hundreds of millions of people. But what is the point? If I dare quote cdc or a "mainstream" scientist I'll be shouted down as a sheeple and then buried under an avalanche of posts about Alex Berenson or Bossche or whoever is the latest hot thing.

    It doesn't have to be this way. Forums left to their own devices tend to develop a particular mindset, tending toward one extreme or another. However, that tendency can be offset by leadership that promotes a more tolerant, even-keeled approach. That is on Chris. He was MIA for some months and I thought maybe when he returned things would change a bit. After all, he did talk about expanding the reach of PP. No evidence of that yet, which suggests to me that maybe this is what he wants...in which case I suppose  "it does have to be this way." In which case, it will probably be this way without me. Which is too bad, in my opinion. Like Chris I am a PhD and have been working in my field for 30 years. I know how to evaluate data and scientific literature. I consider myself extremely open-minded (have been told by many not to be so open minded my brain falls out). Still haven't gotten a covid vaccine yet, and that's largely due to things I've read on this site.

    Anyway, I've gone off into the weeds a bit - sorry for that. I will probably keep watching Chris's free videos though they seem more and more to be an advertisement or tease to lure in paying members than they were last year. May drop in a post once in a while. Good luck to everyone here, stay healthy.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 11:32am

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    Dr Malone on the Tucker Carlson Show

    Scroll down to second video.

    Malone is also being interviewed on the HighWire today.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-covid-vaccine-dangerous-kids-big-tech

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 11:42am

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    Dr. Lee Merrit's views on mRNA Covid shots

    Here is an interesting interview with Dr. Lee Merrit on Covid and the Covid shots.  One of the points she makes is that doctors do not know exactly what is in these shots and the information is not made readily available to them by the pharmaceutical companies. Having worked for some years as a military physician / surgeon, she is concerned about how vaccinated people would respond to a future biological challenge.  She also does not think these should be called vaccines, as they do not behave like regular vaccines.

    The full interview (~ 30 minutes):

    https://rumble.com/vcv1ul-bio-warfare-and-weaponization-of-medicine-amid-covid.html

    The section about Covid vaccines (~ 7 1/2 minutes):

    https://rumble.com/vdd511-dr.-lee-merrit-md-on-mrna-vaccines-as-militarized-injections.html

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 12:03pm

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    Thanks for posting the Lee Merrit video

    This is a great interview.

    800 000 views.

    👍

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 12:21pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "She also does not think these should be called vaccines, as they do not behave like regular vaccines."

     

    One of the mental processes most responsible for destroying the west has to be this idea that reality changes if we just change the definitions.

    So we have:

    Math ==  Racist

    Herd Immunity == "A thing that comes from vaccination and cannot happen in any other way".

    Science == "The truth as delivered by someone with a journalism degree trying to make a deadline by mindlessly quoting a captured regulator"

     

    And so finally, we have a (pretty cool sounding) experimental gene therapy that might help with Covid but which also presents unique new risks that thoughtful people would need to wrestle with:

    "Hey, I know lets call it a vaccine! Then we can claim anyone with questions wants small pox back!"

    Of course we've also seen arguments about the definition of "pandemic", "case", "Covid death" and on and on.

    So the real problem we have is that the authorities have just defined a bunch of terms and are now confronting us with the pretty obvious logical conclusions implied by their definitions:

    There is a "pandemic" of "cases" of a "deadly" disease that the "herd" could be "protected" from via a "safe" "vaccine".

    If you accept the definitions of these words as defined by the papers we are clearly lunatics for questioning the narrative.  But as soon as a Dr Kory or a Dr Bossche starts to speak you realize these common definitions are facile.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 12:23pm

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    evolutionary biology

    I recently saw a comment from someone...jan maybe...basically demanding that someone present "evidence" to support their viewpoint (which was a more positive vaccine viewpoint). Well, I could go out and find dozens or hundreds of tweets, articles, scientific publications that support the viewpoint that covid vaccines are safe and that most of the reported side effects are to be expected when you mass vaccinate hundreds of millions of people...

    The mainstream is a proven-corrupt source.  Does anyone remember: "NO TREATMENTS FOR YOU?"

    I will never forget.

    Never.

    From the evolutionary biology standpoint, most species are very, very adept at detecting "cheating behavior", and they are  very intolerant of said cheating behavior once it occurs.  The common response: not to work with the cheaters, ever again.

    This is a pro-survival programming built into the fabric of humanity.  It's also "common sense."  Which, I get the feeling, isn't quite so common these days.

    I intend to survive.  The best way to do this: once you detect cheating behavior, don't trust the cheaters.  It really isn't complicated.  And its common sense.  I think evolutionary biology is dead right on this one.

    Best of luck with your approach.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 12:38pm

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    Ok, well then do it.

    coh,

    Well, I could go out and find dozens or hundreds of tweets, articles, scientific publications that support the viewpoint that covid vaccines are safe and that most of the reported side effects are to be expected when you mass vaccinate hundreds of millions of people.

    Show us then. Most of us here are crying out for informed discussion.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 12:56pm

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    The great leaders go about the delta variant

    Please listen to your topguns fellow Americans

    https://twitter.com/potus/status/1408034982556274688?s=21

    This brings me to something else, why is this “expert” still allowed to speak at all ?

    Too big to jail ?

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 12:59pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    "Show us then. Most of us here are crying out for informed discussion."

    Yeah, the interview that spawned this thread is the sort of thing that has you pouring a drink after the first 30 minutes and then by the end you are under the table pleading with an empty bottle.

    I  very much want to know why Dr Bossche is painting an unlikely picture of the future by virtue of an overactive imagination.

    For example, some bloggers have presented this idea that mRna in the vaccines could disintegrate into prions which could end up in the brain where they could to "Mad Cow" things to us.

    Chris chimed in with an opinion that while this is sort of looks like a theoretical possibility, it would be helpful if the author had shown lab work demonstrating the mRna breakdown or the mechanisms by which these horrible outcomes are going to materialize.

    Dr Bossche  seems to be demonstrating the mechanisms (for this thesis).  The comeback is to show why he is wrong about the mechanisms or how he is leaving out something fundamental that invalidates the whole thesis.

    So far, its the same experts delivering the same oversimplified "fact checks" in the same snide tones as they've done with everything else they've turned out to be wrong about so far.

    Tell me why Bossche is wrong because Im about to start faking depression to get myself a fluvoxamine prescription in anticipation of things getting a lot worse.  I don't mind losing some money and time on a good bet that didnt work out but I hate wasting my life on bad ideas.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:09pm

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    Too Big To Jail

    In case you don’t want to access twitter:

    The Great Leader of the People of America:

    Here’s the deal: The Delta variant is more contagious, it’s deadlier, and it’s spreading quickly around the world – leaving young, unvaccinated people more vulnerable than ever. Please, get vaccinated if you haven’t already. Let’s head off this strain before it’s too late.

    Then a pro-vaxx propaganda video full of delta horror follows with the best authority on US w..eh..health. Fau Chi misinforms again the best way he can with a serious face.

    What a joke. Delta variant is nasty, it spreads easier, being vaxxed does not seem to help you a lot (look at UK data) however the chance of getting really sick is less because it appears to be milder.

    Oh, Ivermectin has proven to help preventing the spread of this variant too.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:12pm

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    Toronto Sun reporting on myocarditis in kids and Bonnie Henry defending the decision to jab kids….groan

    https://torontosun.com/news/national/sickkids-reports-seeing-post-vaccine-myocarditis-in-kids?fbclid=IwAR3LQPsEF1REm-sPrgQMTE_RTJIgSm2zqOu30chNTs77nKFsIpqpqGYmkUs





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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:15pm

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    dark horse





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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:31pm

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    Quercus bicolor said:

    Yup.  It's early in the delta game in the UK, but here's a rough estimate of the case fatality rate (from worldometer site).

    • 7 day moving average UK deaths today (6/23): 14
    • 7 day moving average UK new cases 2 weeks ago (6/9): 5985
    • 14/5985 = 0.23%

    So it's beginning to look like the flu.

    During the last wave:

    • Deaths on Feb 1: 1019
    • Cases on Jan 21: 40334
    • Case fatality rate = 1019/40334 = 2.53%

    So the current case fatality rate estimate is 1/11 that of the last wave.

    And let's not forget the UK government data I and others analyzed that showed 2.64 x the risk of death on a population (rather than case) basis for the vaccinated (40% the risk of contracting the disease if vaccinated x 6.6 times the risk of death if you contract the disease).

    So preliminary data suggests the new variant is only 1/11 as deadly and you are at greater risk if vaccinated.  Great job Dr. Fauci.  Withhold data and fear monger to get people to accept a vaccine that will put them at greater risk.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:34pm

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    I Can Find All The Lies You Wish...

    It is not possible to present evidence of the safety of the mRNA serums, as the required studies to achieve this knowledge simply do not exist.   However, we can be certain these mRNA serums are causing serious side effects, temporary and long-term, and the death of those injected with them.

    For what?   So the effects of Covid19 are made somewhat less severe in about 50% of those getting the virus AFTER they have been injected with the toxic nucleotide serum?

    The serum will not sterilize the virus.  The serum will not prevent infection from the virus.   The serum will not prevent the injected from infecting others with the virus.   The serum definitely kills perfectly healthy cells in locations well away from the injection site, then causes the creation of billions of S1 protein spikes, which are KNOWN to cause damage, such as clotting, and every other symptom of Covid19.

    Notice the complete stupidity of such a "vaccine:"   If you get sick after taking the mRNA injection, and die from it, you are just part of that 50% of the vaccinated, whose symptoms were not made less by the injection.   If you get sick and survive the illness, you will be told you are lucky to have been injected...as it could have been worse than it was...thanks to the serum.

    If you escape getting sick from Covid19, the vaccine will be credited.  If you die from Covid19, the vaccine will be forgiven.  You were just part of the unlucky 50% of victims.  But, at least you had your "coin-toss," right?

    But, on the bright-side, when this is all over...there are going to be a lot less people to worry about, and the one's left alive....might just be smarter.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:40pm

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    About that revered Dr. Bonnie.... proof everyone should know about

    https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/06/the-lies-exposed-by-numbers-key.html?m=1

    Julius Ruechel has created an abbreviated version of the lengthy, in depth investigative report (linked within the above article) which is so well done that when I posted it on another thread Chris recommended everyone read it!

    This clearly and irrefutably shows how BC's revered saint, Dr. Bonnie Henry, has actively engaged in propaganda tactics to foment fear, among other things. I will be the loudest cheerleader when we finally get her and her colluding colleagues in front of a human rights tribunal.

    If the Julius Ruechel article does not make you angrier yet, I do not know what will. That article should be read by every single Canadian, as well as others beyond our borders, for the exact same things are going on elsewhere.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:41pm

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    Ezra Levant from Rebel News dissecting the WHO statement

    https://www.rebelnews.com/world_health_org_vaccinate_kids_against_covid_but_also_it_might_not_be_safe

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 1:49pm

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    brushhog said:

    "If you escape getting sick from Covid19, the vaccine will be credited.  If you die from Covid19, the vaccine will be forgiven.  You were just part of the unlucky 50% of victims.  But, at least you had your "coin-toss," right?"

    Heads they win, tails you lose. Its very typical of the way propagandists always frame their narrative.

    If you get sick, it would have been worse if not for us. If you dont get sick, it's thanks to us.

    If you got sick and died while having covid...you were a covid death statistic. If you get sick and die after getting the vaccine, there must have been another reason.

    If more people who get vaccinated start dying from a variant, its the fault of the unvaccinated. If the unvaccinated get sick and die its because they werent vaccinated.

    Its the same tired, stupid nonlogic but it works on a segment of the population. No matter how many times they use the same trick they'll never ever figure it out. They dont possess logic. Its hard to believe for people who do because it's so obvious, but there is a large portion of the population who simply do not possess that ability...it took me a very long time to realize that.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 2:05pm

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    And In Canada - University Fires Surgeon Who Voiced Safety Concerns About COVID Vaccines for Kids

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/university-fires-dr-francis-christian-covid-vaccines-kids/

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 2:30pm

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    Toronto Sun reporting on myocarditis in kids and Bonnie Henry defending the decision to jab kids….groan

    To me the headline (visible on the static image for the video) says it all:

    "BC To Follow Health Canada Advice..."   For all the talk of Experts and Science and Authorities the Covid resonse is just one petty official following the guidance of the official up the chain and so on and so on until we get to Fauchi and the WHO.

    When they turn out to be derelict at best it will become a big game of "We were just following orders!"

    Isn't it amazing that we live in a world where on the one hand, the US govt can make a law about immigration or guns and then we watch all these "sanctuary" states and cities refusing to follow but then when there is evidence children are being harmed no one local has a guts to challenge it?

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 3:02pm

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    And In Canada - University Fires Surgeon Who Voiced Safety Concerns About COVID Vaccines for Kids

    I'm ashamed of Canada these days. How any adult cannot recognise how sick it is to jab kids with an experimental therapy without informed consent is beyond me. We have truly plunged into madness, where children are treated as sacrificial lambs. We are in dark times.

    This poor doctor will likely have no legal recourse for doing something that would have been considered completely justifiable and normal a couple of years ago.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 3:07pm

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    ian.k said:

    I agree with this commentator. Lets find the origins of Covid 19.





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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 3:20pm

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    Can anyone debunk this "debunking"?

    After you wade through the nonsense ad hominem (calls Dr. Bossche anti-vax while mentioning Dr. Bossche is suggesting another potential vaccine), can anyone make sense of his argument that seems to say the antibodies produced by the vaccines stop the virus from replicating and shedding in fully vaccinated people? This is out of my wheelhouse. I see some comments here wanting to see an argument against Dr. Bossche's hypothesis.





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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 3:25pm

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    WHO vaccines for kids change

    One argument heard on the Francis Christian recording is about the WHO statement on vaccinating children. Both parties seem to be somewhat right.

    The statement prior to Tuesday did say:

    Children should not be vaccinated for the moment.

    There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults. However, children should continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210622113307/https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

     

    But the WHO site has since been updated:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/who-and-cdc-mixed-signal-covid-19-vaccines-adolescents

     

     

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 3:38pm

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    Yes

    Not to mention the extreme coercion on the horizon to accept these damn things. You know “no jab no job”. I’m sorry, that’s kind of a “talking over” point.  Especially in the face of the demonstrable mass murder and lies. No, it’s just “fuck um” from me.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 3:51pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Replying to Can anyone debunk this

    I only watched a part of it. After the guy said that the antibodies stopped the virus from replicating, I stopped listening to it.

    If the virus cannot replicate in a vaccinated person that means that this is a sterilizing vaccine. That means that the virus never even can get a foothold in a person since the antibodies completely wipe the virus out and the virus doesn't get a chance to replicate. Even the manufacturers of the vaccine don't say that. They admit that it is not a sterilizing vaccine. The manufacturers concede that you can still get the virus and still get a mild or even a moderate case of the disease. That means that you get infected, the virus replicates and gets you sick.

    Like I said, even the manufacturers concede that. The antibodies don't wipe out the virus. The CDC says that the vaccine is supposed to stop you from getting a serious case of the disease.  It doesn't prevent it entirely. In fact, the FDA and the CDC both concede that you can even get "breakthrough cases", i.e. you can still get severe covid even if you are vaccinated. And that in fact happens. Everyone concedes that. Even Fauci would concede that. The only dispute is how often that happens.

    Of course, actually contracting an infection and getting sick means that the virus is replicating. And everyone concedes that.

    That is why, after he said that the vaccine stops the virus from replicating, I just turned the video off.

    That doesn't mean that I subscribe to Vanden Bossche's thesis. I really don't know if he is right or wrong.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 3:55pm

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    Replying to Can anyone debunk this "debunking"?

    There are a bunch of pro and con links here:

    A Global Gain of Function Experiment

    The interview of Robert Malone with Global Paradigm Shift with Michelle Malcolm has quite a bit of information and includes a short discussion on Vanden Bossche.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 4:14pm

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    NEJM posts faulty data on spontaneous abortion results

    Fauci and others are reporting that there is no signal associated with fertility or pregnancy.  No warning signs showing pregnancy or reproduction is affected by the vaccine.

    This week's TheHighwire has an early segment about this.  The above statement is based on an article published last week in the New England Journal of Medicine.  “Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons”  N. Engl J Med 2021; 384:2273-2282.  June 17, 2021.

    Table 4 reports on Spontaneous Abortions (those occur in the first 20 weeks) and Stillbirths (those occur after week 20) in 827 pregnant women who were vaccinated.  According to the article, the expected background rate of SA is 10-26%.  The article states that 104 of the 827 women in the trial had a SA, for a result of 12.6% which is squarely within the expected range.

    That’s great!  Except that isn’t the data.  A footnote clarifies that only 127 of the 827 were vaccinated prior to 20 weeks, the rest were vaccinated in the third trimester and never should have been included in the SA figure.  For this study, the SA ratio is 104/127.  That’s 82%!!!  The error has been reported to the NEJM and the NEJM will have to correct it.  But meanwhile the damage is done because the public is being given the wrong information.

    The data in the article suggests that vaccinating in the last few weeks might be safe, but in no way supports vaccinating early in pregnancy.

    692 miscarriages have been posted to VAERS.  Do we apply the 1% rule or just 10%?  I have wondered whether the miscarriages are part of or separate from the number of deaths reported.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 4:52pm

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    A Death From The Jab?

    A friend of mine died of a heart attack two weeks after getting the second jab.  He was 65 and without heart issues.  I am trying to help the family in any way I can.  Does anyone know how to go about getting some kind of compensation from this?  I know there are pools of money to payout for proven cases.  The problem is it has been a few months and at the time no one was thinking about what happened.  How do we prove vaccine fault a few months after?  Who else can help? Lawyers, organizations?  Does anyone know how to begin this effort?  HELP Please.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 5:23pm

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    Maybe here: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender-legal

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 6:30pm

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    Debunk Attempt

    OK, I lasted 10 minutes. Here is what I took.

    First 5 minutes he sets up his ad hom attacks.

    2 behavioural points:

    1) he spends a lot of time on the 'setup'. that is he will credit an attribute of Geert and then immediately undermine it with an attack.

    2) he quotes Geert Van Bossche as saying “basically his philosophy is to let it rip”. I don't think Geert ever said that. Certainly not on his Bret Weinstein interview. Please prove me wrong on that. I thought Geert's point was either mass vaccinate prior to infection or at the end, but never in the middle of a pandemic.

    5 - 10 minutes

    4 scientific points:

    1) He says “asymptomatic transmission plummets” with vaccination. However, CDC admit asymptomatic transmission hasn't been clinically proven to actually occur.

    2) he says variants emerged in absence of vaccine pressure. I don't think this is true. For example, Delta variant emerged from India following heavy vaccination.

    3) He appears to assume that full vaccination grants immunity (as he goes on about partial vaccination only granting partial immunity). And such that it floors Geert's argument. However, we know this simply isn't true – 2 doses do not grant immunity as we still have people in UK die of Covid after 2 jabs.

    4) “Can develop boosters to knock out variants.” Yeah, can he tell me the exact sequence of each mutant strain and how many mutant strains there will be at any one time? Note they try this with flu shots each year and success (or rather failure) varies wildly. Dr. Tenpenny goes into why.

    Based upon how poor his science is I hope he doesn't actually give out medical advice.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 7:50pm

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    Your country?

    Hello Bigfoot. So saddened to hear of this. It is tragic.

    You do not say what country you are in. I am including this link for a Canadian source, in case that helps https://takeactioncanada.ca/

    Good luck!

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 10:08pm

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    Variants are unsupportable excuse to re-innoculate

    Sick of the variant propaganda. If it's both more deadly and easier to spread, it's man-made. In the ancient days of yore, I was taught that a bacteria/virus could do one of two things- increase lethality or change mode of transmission. Biologically it is too costly to do both so you don't get airborne Ebola naturally in one leap. That said, viruses are tricky buggers.

    We know that something can swap genetic materials to make it immune to a drug or other twists. The good news, our immune system is capable of seeing enough of the original to mount an attack based on previous exposure. These variants are allegedly 99% similar to the original SARS CV2; that means if the CV shot were effective, they would still work. (LOL) Those who have had  CV are immune to variants. The average person had a >90% probability of having coronavirus antibodies/antigens from normal flu, etc to start with. Then there's the Singaporean Study-

    The team tested subjects who recovered from COVID-19 and found the presence of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in all of them, which suggests that T cells play an important role in this infection. Importantly, the team showed that patients who recovered from SARS 17 years ago after the 2003 outbreak, still possess virus-specific memory T cells and displayed cross-immunity to SARS-CoV-2.

    “Our team also tested uninfected healthy individuals and found SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in more than 50 percent of them. This could be due to cross-reactive immunity obtained from exposure to other coronaviruses, such as those causing the common cold, or presently unknown animal coronaviruses. It is important to understand if this could explain why some individuals are able to better control the infection,” said Professor Antonio Bertoletti, from Duke-NUS’ Emerging Infectious Diseases (EID) programme, who is the corresponding author of this study.

    https://www.duke-nus.edu.sg/allnews/sars-cov-2-specific-t-cell-immunity-in-recovered-patients-and-uninfected-individuals

    17 years later those who had original SARS most still had T-cells for it. So what is the point of wringing your hands over variants? Just the latest BS.

    Regarding what's next in the boogeyman bio-weapons closet...I will give you a piece to chew on.

    1998 Soviet defector Dr. K Alibek said they were working on things like a blend between smallpox and ebola. There you would have easy airborne transmissibility with increased lethality. The Soviets had already experiment with airborne anthrax with "great results."

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/11/decades-after-deadly-lab-accident-a-secret-russian-bioweapon-decoded/

    Here's an NPR transcript from 1998 w Alibek discussing bio-weapons.

    http://www.nonproliferation.org/wp-content/uploads/npr/alibek63.pdf

    Today's American Angle-

    Back in 2000's when Ebola was breaking free in DRC, a company founded by virologist Nathan Wolfe called Metabiota discovered the Bas- Congo Virus in 2009.  Odd little bug as you will read.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780124169753000029

    Bas-Congo Virus: A Novel Rhabdovirus Associated With Acute Hemorrhagic Fever GildaGrard1JosephFair2CharlesChiu345EricLeroy16

    In 2009, an outbreak of three cases of acute hemorrhagic fever occurred in the Bas-Congo province of Democratic Republic of the Congo. The clinical presentation included abrupt onset of disease, fever, mucosal and gastrointestinal hemorrhages, and death within 3 days for the first two cases. The single serum sample was collected from the lone survivor, the nurse who cared for them. Since laboratory tests for all known viral hemorrhagic fever viruses in Central Africa were negative, extracted RNA from the serum sample were retrospectively analyzed by next-generation sequencing, leading to the discovery and whole-genome assembly of a new rhabdovirus, named Bas-Congo virus (BASV). BASV is highly divergent from other known rhabdoviruses, and is phylogenetically related to the dipteran-mammal-associated rhabdovirus supergroup. Specific neutralizing antibodies were detected in the convalescent serum of the survivor and an asymptomatic close contact. Although the source of infection and mode of transmission for BASV have not yet been established, phylogenetic and epidemiologic data suggest potential arthropod-borne transmission with nosocomial spread between humans.

    It was never seen before nor has it ever been since. Looks and acts like rabies as for shape and multiplication time. Highly lethal

    2009, they developed a computer program to decode the RNA of viruses, etc. that reduced diagnostic time to mere hours. Headed by USCSF's Dr. Chiu  for Metabiota. Allegedly that's how they isolated Base Congo.

    Computer program

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12089242/

    Abstract

    Deep sequencing was used to discover a novel rhabdovirus (Bas-Congo virus, or BASV) associated with a 2009 outbreak of 3 human cases of acute hemorrhagic fever in Mangala village, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Africa. The cases, presenting over a 3-week period, were characterized by abrupt disease onset, high fever, mucosal hemorrhage, and, in two patients, death within 3 days. BASV was detected in an acute serum sample from the lone survivor at a concentration of 1.09×106 RNA copies/mL, and 98.2% of the genome was subsequently de novo assembled from ∼140 million sequence reads. Phylogenetic analysis revealed that BASV is highly divergent and shares less than 34% amino acid identity with any other rhabdovirus. High convalescent neutralizing antibody titers of >1∶1000 were detected in the survivor and an asymptomatic nurse directly caring for him, both of whom were health care workers, suggesting the potential for human-to-human transmission of BASV. The natural animal reservoir host or arthropod vector and precise mode of transmission for the virus remain unclear. BASV is an emerging human pathogen associated with acute hemorrhagic fever in Africa.

    https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1002924

    This technology has not been used (to our knowledge) on the Ebola cases coming to the USA or on CV19. Why? Wouldn't that be more accurate than a PCR?

    Wolfe started two companies Global Viral and Metabiota.  GV was non-profit and M was for profit advising governments how to handle pandemics.

    https://www.globalviral.org/nathan-wolfe

    https://metabiota.com

    Wolfe was young and charismatic, but many said he lacked knowledge and academic standing.  Many in the science community said he didn't have any credible published research.( Front man?) Remember seeing a list of grant contributors to them: DARPA, USAMRID, City of London, GOOGLE,...usual suspects. Seems there's links to bioweapon development.

    https://seemorerocks.is/documentary-proof-of-the-pentagons-massive-bioweapons-program-that-just-hit-america/

    When the SF golden business M was sent to handle Sierre-Leone's Ebola outbreak, it was bedlam. All talk and incoherent actions.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-company-metabiota-problems-during-ebola-outbreak/

    Remember that the US govt. has patented an Ebola vaccine that uses rabies as the base.

    https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/220/9/1521/5543203

    Could this be the reason that airlines are flying migrants for free from Ebola heavy areas in Africa into the USA from 2019? Was the previous USA spotty outbreak with the Dallas case a test run?

    https://www.ebolaoutbreakmap.com/listings/free-flights-for-congo-african-migrants/

    Just saying...CV may be a cake walk with these other things up their sleeves.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 10:12pm

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    re: Dr. Bossche is a Quack

    So I duck-duck-go'd that statement in my message headline and arrived here,

    Rebuttal: The ‘Not-So-Hidden Agenda’ Behind Bossche’s Concern Over COVID Mass Vaccination

    this article tends to support my statement in another thread that Dr. Bossche is a limited hangout and supports the Gates agenda.

    Look closer.

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  • Thu, Jun 24, 2021 - 11:13pm

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    Are Covid Vaccines Riskier Than Advertised?

    Tide is Turning -  Likely posted already.
    https://archive.fo/ejrTg

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  • Fri, Jun 25, 2021 - 3:04pm

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    Interesting Articles Unfavorable to the VaccinesToday.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/coronavirus/video-2433559/Dr-David-Bauer-Pfizer-vaccine-produces-fewer-key-antibodies.html

    https://atlantico.fr/article/decryptage/variant-delta---ce-que-nous-apprend-la-reprise-epidemique-dans-une-maison-de-retraite-belge-ou-residents-et-personnels-etaient-largement-vaccines-pfizer-vaccination-covid-19-antoine-flahault

    https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

     

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  • Fri, Jun 25, 2021 - 3:53pm

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    Prions

    wotthecurtains wrote:

    For example, some bloggers have presented this idea that mRna in the vaccines could disintegrate into prions which could end up in the brain where they could to "Mad Cow" things to us.

    Chris chimed in with an opinion that while this is sort of looks like a theoretical possibility, it would be helpful if the author had shown lab work demonstrating the mRna breakdown or the mechanisms by which these horrible outcomes are going to materialize.

    wot,

    I've read some scientific articles about this subject. I'm not an expert by any means of the imagination. I'm open to a real expert taking the time to explain the mechanism. Since nobody stepped up to the plate, I'll take a turn.

    As I understand it, mRNA tells the cell the sequence of amino acids to make which forms the proteins. That's the mRNA's purpose. When outside the cell, the body's immune system considers it to be an attacking substance and removes it. If you consider that there are RNA viruses that hijack cells, this search-and-destroy tactic helps to prevents future infections. The cell walls are also somewhat impervious to RNA. Unless the RNA/mRNA is coated with something that the cells accept, most won't get access.

    From what I've read, the mRNA is very fragile as well. It degrades rapidly (but not into a prion.) That's why the vials had to be stored at such cold temperatures. The vaxxine makers did everything they could to get the mRNA product into the cells as quickly as possible. They used a cationic nano-lipid to coat the mRNA. Cells are relatively permeable to fats (lipids.) Cells are also negatively charged, so a positively charged (cationic) lipid will be electrically attracted. The combination gets the mRNA package into the cells very rapidly.

    Unfortunately, the cationic nano-lipid is toxic to the cells. The cells sense that they've been compromised and send out cytokines or chemokines to signal that help is needed. Help comes and gobbles up the cells, but not always before the cells produce the spike proteins that the mRNA instructions tell it to.

    Once the spikes are made, a percentage are able to escape the cell wall and enter the blood stream or get into the lymph system. They cause all sorts of problems because they attach to hACE2 receptors that are ubiquitous in the human body. A study that tried to quantify where these proteins got deposited in the body showed the proteins ended up throughout the body but particularly in female ovaries, the spleen, and bone marrow. Red blood cells and blood vessels also have ACE2 receptors. That may be the mechanism for the blood clotting issue.

    These spike proteins don't just get absorbed by various parts of the vaxxed body. Some are shed by the body through exhaling, sweating, urinating, defecating. Contact with any bodily fluids can transmit these spike proteins. Since they have a preference for female ovaries, that might explain the unusual menstrual cycles, miscarriages, etc. that unvaxxed female partners of vaxxed partners are experiencing.

    As I noted in post #73, the spike protein that the mRNA instructs the cells to make isn't the same as the spike protein on the coronavirus. Researchers made strategic decisions to modify the mRNA so the body would produce the proteins more rapidly. That included substituting glycine where ever possible because glycine is the easiest for the cells to make. Their goal was to make as many spike proteins as possible before the cell got gobbled up.

    Unfortunately, the spike protein (that the vaxxine mRNA instructed the cells to make) has 5 zippers in it. (At least the Pfizer vax does this.) Zippers are a series of 5 amino acids bound by glycine on each end - GxxxG. Apparently proteins with zippers tend to misfold. Some of these misfolded proteins are infectious - prions - that can cause normal proteins to misfold as well. (I'm really fuzzy on this concept and wish someone here with expertise would explain it better.) I don't know if it is merely a numbers game where only a small percentage end up causing problems.

    Mad Cow Disease is a prion based disease. Once it is established, it is incurable and progressively diminishes the brain's capacity until the infected person/animal dies. Does that mean that since these vaxxines (Pfizer at least) cause the body to produce "zippers" in the protein ... that the protein will cause a brain-wasting disease? Not necessarily. It does mean that the potential is there. Vaxxines should be studied much more completely before being allowed out in public.

    Since those getting vaxxed can shed the spike proteins, it isn't just those who are vaxxed who need to worry about this. (Because they receive the bigger dose of spike proteins, they need to worry more.) Also, unless you're wearing the bubble suit PPE, you're not completely safe. The average opening sizes in an N95 mask are measured in 10s of micrometers. The average coronavirus diameter is measured in 10s of nanometers. The spike proteins are even smaller. If you could magnify a spike protein to the same height of a human 5' to 6' tall, a similarly magnified N95 mask would have openings on the order of a mile wide. Imagine an impenetrable wall with gaps that are a mile wide. Would that wall stop you if you wanted to get to the other side?

    Although Dr. VB's message is that this unsterilizing vax will promote variants capable of bypassing the vaxxination protections to emerge, the critical issue for me is the possibility of prion formation affecting all of us regardless of our choice to be vaxxinated or not.

    Grover

    PS - I'm going to start referring to these "vaccines" as vaxxines. Not all vaccines are good, but so far, all vaxxines have enormous unknowns in long term effects.

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  • Fri, Jun 25, 2021 - 4:05pm

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    Wrong Quack

    tinarock wrote:

    this article tends to support my statement in another thread that Dr. Bossche is a limited hangout and supports the Gates agenda.

    Look closer.

    tinarock,

    I followed your link and read the paper. I kept expecting some smoking gun to appear. The most damning thing I saw was that Dr. VB was on Gate's GAVI committee. Since he doesn't like the vaxxines being produced, he's looking into a formulation that works. That's described as a conflict of interest. Hence, he shouldn't be trusted or listened to.

    Did I miss something or is that the gist of it? Dr. VB's theory that an unsterilizing vaxxine leaves the virus to attempt to mutate around the body's defenses makes sense to me. Viruses mutate all the time. Most die out because they aren't viable. When one mutates enough to avoid the body's defenses and still be infectious, any human with that particular vaxxine will be susceptible. The rest of us might be as well.

    Based on her attack, I'd say that Rosemary Frei is the quack.

    Grover

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  • Fri, Jun 25, 2021 - 8:13pm

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    Great videos, JWhite!

    I loved those videos with Dr. Lee Merrit, JWhite; very compelling!  Thanks for posting.

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 1:23am

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    Motivation for the censorship, discouraging of treatment and vaccine pressure

    Chris and Pierre Kory are suggesting a profit motive for pharma companies as motivation for the censorship, discouraging of treatment and vaccine pressure. I have doubts about that. As Pierre said, I when I think I'm being cynical, I'm being naive. There are too many other parties involved - governments, *all* regulatory agencies, social media companies, all coordinating to create fear and jab as many arms as possible, even when it's clearly inappropriate (children, pregnant women, previously infected people with antibodies), in preference to cheap, safe, early treatment options, which they've gone to great lengths to make unavailable or censor. 18 months in, the advice is still "go home, do nothing till you're blue in the face, then go to hospital". By that point it's too late. It just doesn't make any sense. It's completely illogical. No treatment, no preventative advice such as Vitamin D. It seems the end goal is not to end the pandemic, or save the economy, but to jab as mean people as possible, as a goal in itself. Why would they do that? It's no wonder people come up with stuff like this: https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/bill-gates-vaccines-and-population-control-make-for-infectious-conspiracy-theory-1760336-2021-01-18

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 4:45am

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    Other treatments

    FYI if you follow https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher on twitter they have been posting lots of treatment trial results (not just ivermectin). For example, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1094553921000018

    "Antihistamines and azithromycin as a treatment for COVID-19 on primary health care – A retrospective observational study in elderly patients"

    So if you can't get ivermectin, antihistamines may help too.

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 9:16am

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    ant-vaccine paranoia

    here is an alternative perspective on the ant-vaccine paranoia:

    Should you get the COVID-19 vaccine?

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 1:21pm

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    Terminator said:

    here is an alternative perspective on the ant-vaccine paranoia:

    what is the value of this ? It’s a blog dated feb 21. Sure the risk/benefit at that time for a 80-year old would tilt to vaxxing, but the situation changed a little since right ? You might argue from a immune comprised perspective that trying to prep a 80 year old with the spike protein directly in the body would be unwise given what we know now.

    Blood clots, myocarditis, unknown toxic spike damage, opening of blood/brain barrier. I understand the majority of the vaxxers will be fine (on the short term at least), but there are risks for sure and the long term effect of the experiment is unclear to all. As long as this is not clarified before you get a jab, you can’t provide informed consent.

    Not a favorable risk/benefit calculation for many.

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 2:08pm

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    Totally Unimpressed

    shastatodd,

    In the interest of being open-minded to alternative viewpoints, I opened your link to Dr. Peter Attia's post. This was the opening paragraph to set up the situation:

    I’ve had many people close to me in recent weeks ask if they, or their parents, should get the COVID-19 vaccine. In one particular case, a friend shared that his 80-year-old father is having serious reservations about receiving the vaccine because of videos he’s seen circulating from someone named Simone Gold discussing how people should be using hydroxychloroquine instead of taking vaccines, a view that is not at all supported by peer-reviewed literature. (A few minutes on Google will tell you all you need to know about her judgment on other matters, also.)

    Wow - "someone named Simone Gold." That's a professional way to address another doctor. That pretty much set the tone for the rest of the brief article. I doubt he ever suggests that anyone not get the vaxxine. He downplays hydroxychloroquine because it isn't supported by peer-reviewed literature. He must be referring to the literature written about tests that were purposefully designed to fail. You know, the tests where they administered the drug too late, at too high of a dosage, and/or without zinc - those tests.

    Granted, this letter was written for a friend. Dr. Attia's credentials were already established with the friend. As such, I wouldn't expect any detailed analysis or lengthy reasoning to be presented. Without a pre-determined assessment of his character, his suggestion is just that - a suggestion.

    In the postscript, he offers a link to his interview with Dr. Paul Offit talking about the development of the vaxxines. (Based on this pithy letter, I didn't bother hearing about the development of the vaxxines. Since he has the opinion he does about HCQ, I didn't want my blood pressure to go too high. Perhaps, shastatodd can listen to it and give us a few paragraph summary.)

    Grover

    PS - Am I anti-vaccine? Not at all. I'm not going to go out and get every vaccination that's available to me. For instance, why get Dengue Fever vaccine if I have no intention of traveling to an area where it is prevalent? Vaccines have benefits and risks. That's how we should evaluate every decision - is the benefit worth the risk?

    There are too many unknowns with the untested, non-sterilizing mRNA vaxxines that are being pushed upon us. Since there are no studies to show long-term outcomes, those who accept the jab are the guinea pigs. To me, that is ultra-high risk with nebulous benefits. I'd rather take my chances with HCQ, IVM, vitamins, and minerals.

     

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 2:20pm

    JAD66

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    JAD66 said:

    maybe aliens are arriving and the spike protein will kill them - who knows but I agree it all doesn't make sense!  Too many agencies and countries are involved - what the hell is going on!  or is it just corruption or is it the real X Files.

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 2:26pm

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    paranoia

    So my sense is, even the vax-paranoia-people have enemies.

    When the same group tells you - for 18 months - NO TREATMENTS FOR YOU - and then proceeds to tell you the experimental shot is completely safe?

    Common sense would suggest: "it is probably not a good idea to trust someone who has already lied to you once" - especially since the result of the first lie is more than 500,000 Americans dead.

    How many will die if the second statement is a lie?

    You are welcome to be trusting.  Not me.  Fool me once when my family's life is on the line?

    Its over, pal.  I'll never trust you again.

    That's how the Fourth Turning happens.  They trick you on matters of life & death.

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 2:48pm

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    Yes Angus... it does seem that way.

     It's completely illogical. No treatment, no preventative advice such as Vitamin D. It seems the end goal is not to end the pandemic, or save the economy, but to jab as mean people as possible, as a goal in itself. Why would they do that?

    Only from that view does it all make sense.  The completely faked Lancet paper that hamstrung a bunch of HCQ studies.  The super high PCR cycle tests to drive scary high (false positive) cases.  Using State pharmacy boards to interfere with doctors ability to prescribe safe medications off label.  The list goes on, and on, and on, and on.  Profit motive is only the cover story.. it has to go deeper than that.  The (not so) invisible hand of the global technocratic elites want something else.. they want complete control over us.

    For those who can see, Covid Vax/No Vax is the most important line you will ever draw in the sand... expect your courage, and your very sanity, to be tested.  We need a national organization.. kind of an NRA for those who want to keep their native immune system intact and free from this form of genetic take-over.  There are some proto-organizations in place now that could potentially grow into this role, like America's Frontline Doctors.. but for now they seem to be mainly about getting the word out.  We need to think bigger... just throwing that idea out into the universe.  Best regards, JimH

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 3:11pm

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    Kat43 said:

    Peter Attia is someone whom I have respected in the past.  But Paul Offit and Brian Deer are the epitome of evil.

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 3:13pm

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    Replying to Motivation for the censorship, discouraging of treatment and vaccine pressure

    Angus,

    You wrote:

    It just doesn't make any sense. It's completely illogical. No treatment, no preventative advice such as Vitamin D. It seems the end goal is not to end the pandemic, or save the economy, but to jab as mean people as possible, as a goal in itself. Why would they do that?

    You're right. It doesn't make any sense.

    The theory that I have been working under is that this is an epiphenomenon of a culture gone mad. Just like Wokesterism, it is a manifestation of cultural psychosis.

    Maybe there is another reason.

    I am hoping that a whistleblower will come forward.

    Until then, I'll just continue to believe that this is the madness of a culture suffering end-stage disintegration.

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 3:32pm

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    Grover,

    I read the article as well and fully agree with your assessment

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 3:34pm

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    No Ivermectin for You!

    Before my annual physical exam last week, I entered Ivermectin, Zinc, Quercetin and Vitamin D onto my medication list.

    My PCP, reviewing the list, didn't ask me why I was taking Ivermectin. He asked me where I was getting it from! He assumed I was buying it mail-order from Europe and I did not disabuse him of that notion. He then strongly suggested I should get myself 'vaccinated'. I didn't argue - he is a creature of the medical group.

    Later, I looked up my medication list on the hospital patient access website and found that although it is still on the list, Ivermectin is not available to me through the hospital pharmacy.

    ivermectin 3 mg Tab

    Commonly known as: STROMECTOL

    Learn more

    This prescription cannot be refilled through xxxxxxxxx at this time.

    Not that I care. I have enough horse paste to last for ages.

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 4:07pm

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    Here is your whistleblower, Mike

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/does-the-pcr-test-affect-the-pineal-gland-humans-and-transhumans-dr-astrid-stuckelberger/5747390

    I started a new forum for this article and video yesterday but it was quickly buried by the multiple forum spammers this morning 🙄

    This doctor is a highly credentialed WHO insider has an impressive bio. She tells us in the short 18 minute video exactly what the high level plan is, which corroborates much of what many of us are thinking. It is definitely about control, and according to her, they are much further along with nano technology than we can even imagine.

    If people want to comment on the article/video, perhaps you can do so on the forum I created so that we can better keep track of comments - pls & thx 🙏🏻

     

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 4:15pm

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    Planned Pediacide - Dr. Stephanie Seneff and Dr. Michelle Perro

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/pediacide-vaccine-risks-kids/5748527

    An excerpt:

    ...The risk for development of this bowel obstruction following vaccination was 20-30 times higher than what would be expected in a normal population and occurred within two weeks of the administration of the vaccine.  The Centers for Disease Control (CDC), in collaboration with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as well as local agencies, quickly intervened and halted the usage of this vaccine.  Two emergency investigations were instituted showing that the vaccine increased the risk for intussusception by one to two cases among 10,000 infants who received the vaccine.  In response, the manufacturer voluntarily withdrew the rotavirus vaccine from usage in 1999.

    The CDC claimed that the decision to remove the rotavirus vaccine was due to the fact that intussusception is a serious condition and that the complications from a rotavirus infection in the US can be prevented by oral rehydration. The CDC states:

    “…when a vaccine is discovered to have a serious side effect, a recommendation to continue using the vaccine will be reconsidered and the vaccine may be withdrawn, in spite of the beneficial effect of the vaccine to prevent disease.”

    Twenty three years later…

    It seems that, in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic, caution has been thrown to the wind. So much about 2020 and the pandemic related to SARS- CoV-2 is unprecedented. In addition to an unprecedented disease and its global response, COVID-19 has also initiated an unprecedented accelerated process of vaccine research, production, testing, and public distribution. 

    The sense of urgency around combatting this virus led to the creation, in March 2020, of Operation Warp Speed (OWS), then-President Donald Trump’s program to bring a vaccine against COVID-19 to market as quickly as possible, skipping several steps in the normal evaluation process. In response, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) collaborated with the biotechnology company Moderna in bringing an altogether new type of vaccine against infectious disease to market, one utilizing a technology based on messenger RNA (mRNA)Another mRNA vaccine was also developed in parallel by Pfizer in conjunction with a small biotech company in Europe called BioNTech.

    Both of these vaccines have been approved for emergency use by the FDA in record time, with little regard for the fact that this technology is experimental and unproven. Now there is an aggressive campaign to get these vaccines into the arms of as many US citizens as possible, also in record time. This is true not only in the US, but also increasingly on a global scale. Essentially, the entire world’s population are serving as guinea pigs in a massive experimental study, and there is clear potential for a great deal of harm.

    The global mass vaccination rollout on the world’s adults has now extended its hand into the arms of children. Initially, 16 year olds were encouraged and in some instances, ‘mandated’ to receive the experimental therapy. The age limit has now been decreased to 12 year olds, and imminently 5 year olds and younger are being targeted as the next ‘at risk’ populations.  Children have almost zero risk of dying from COVID-19, and it is almost certain therefore that the risk/benefit ratio of these vaccines is too great to warrant their use on children. ...

    There is additional confirmation of the dangers of the spike protein and ADE, which lends further support to Dr. VB's hypothesis.

     

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 4:21pm

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    Trust

    There are still times when I stumble over the challenge of accepting that the powers that be, including our health "authorities", are willing to lie to and harm us unto death.  Trust in authorities has been modelled everywhere all my life.  Obviously I see other people backing away from acknowledging the lies too, with their powers of thought disabled.

    It helps to ask myself : "How many times does someone have to punch me in the face before I decide not to trust them anymore?".  That answer is easy, no matter what they say about it, and makes the bigger picture easier to see.  Sure, they have reasons and confusions and agendas and incentives.  But what are they are actually doing?  It's worse than punching us in the face.  So - no trust, ever again.  They will not be able to make sufficient amends for this.  That's not paranoia.  I'd call it a sober look at current reality.  Get with it, girl, I tell myself.

    Begs the question then of  what do I trust.  Information - whatever can be sifted from the dis-information.  People who speak their truth.  They will be mistaken sometimes but since they are not devious, the mistakes can be noticed and addressed.  Increasingly, my own informed best judgments.  PP helps a lot with the informed part.

    It's a relief not to try to make the authorities right.  They've been wrong-headed on so many things all my life.  Expecting truth or reasonable action from them is delusional.  I want to give that up and move on to a meaningful challenge like - trying to see what life will be when the "authorities" are us, and we need to bring whatever it is we long for in our communities to life, if we can.  That time seems to be now....

    Thanks for your fabulous posts, Dave.

    Susan

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 5:29pm

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    On abusing trust

    Susan: your analogy of being punched in the face brings to mind the well known concept of how people stay in abusive relationships even though they know they are being abused. Someone else posted this graphic awhile back, and it is worth re-posting. We the people are being abused, physically, mentally and emotionally by people we were taught to place our trust in, people who occupy positions at virtually all levels. There is going to be a world of hurt when the trust bubble bursts, especially for the ever loyal, compliant, law-abiding, Canadians. And ya, we are definitely going to need those new communities where things are done differently and trust can be re-built at the grassroots level.

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2021 - 8:33pm

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    angusjnorthgmail-com said:

    https://t.co/RfjiHfIriM?amp=1

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 8:02am

    French connexion

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    Watching this very long video

    This is a great podcast. We have to fight our way out of this situation.

     

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 11:37am

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    WILL trust break down?

    Hi Jan -

    Yes, that's a great graphic in case we might still be in doubt!

    To your point about trust breaking down in Canada - it's hard for me to imagine because most people don't KNOW, and are resistant to hearing about the harms and lies.  A big "aha" moment seems unlikely because of that, and also because there will be so much spinning going on as backsides get bared.  As so many here have pointed out, I know a ton of people I consider smart and capable of research who are not interested and not aware.  Maybe they will just believe the next set of semi-truths, disinformation and outright lies.  No authority is going to say "We were wrong and sorry about all the carnage - here's how it really was.".

    So I deeply treasure our little posse of people who are paying attention, here on PP and also in my life.  There are some in our valley.  I've stopped caring if their hair is on fire!

    Susan

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 12:23pm

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    WILL trust break down?

    Your thoughts echo mine.

     

    My 8 year old has some school chums and my wife chatted with the father of one the other day.

    These people are going to mostly stay in self impsed lockdown going forward.    I thought perhaps they were unvaxxed and we're planning to ride it out.

     

    Nope they are fully vaccinated and still not going out.    No Heath problems that we are aware of.

    Canadians just aren't bothered by things making no sense

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 12:30pm

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    CrLaan said:

    It’s important to remember it’s a hypothesis.

    it's a vax?

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 1:46pm

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    Another friendship gone...

    To your point about trust breaking down in Canada - it's hard for me to imagine because most people don't KNOW, and are resistant to hearing about the harms and lies. A big "aha" moment seems unlikely because of that, and also because there will be so much spinning going on as backsides get bared. As so many here have pointed out, I know a ton of people I consider smart and capable of research who are not interested and not aware.

    I posted last week how I felt I had finally gotten through to my best friend. I was wrong. Really wrong. It does not matter how high the intellect or academic credentials. People, and especially Canadians, are predominantly wedded to a belief system that puts full, unquestioning, unshakable trust in authorities.

    As part of my efforts to create awareness, two days ago I sent out a mass email with, among other things, a link to the Julius Ruechel investigative article that I have been sharing here so often. I indicated it was a MUST READ FOR EVERY CANADIAN. In the body of the email I had copy and pasted the emotionally powerful summary of that article. I asked my friend this morning if she read my email, and the Julius Ruechel article. She said she read the email but not the article. When asked why, she said that she was offended by the language in the summary and that was enough for her. Pressing on, trying to convey the critical importance of all the information in that lengthy investigative report, she refused to even consider it, saying that 'it is not reporting". Suffice to say it did not go well from there... I told her the truth will out, as it always does, and that millions of people are going to have their realities shattered when it does - which hopefully will be before too many people get seriously ill and die.

    As much as I do not care what other people do with their lives, when me/my life/my freedom to live my life as I see fit is collateral damage to obtuseness and utter refusal to even consider facts, evidence or alternative points of view, then I have a serious problem with that.

    You are right, Susan. The big aha moment, certainly here in Canada, is highly unlikely. We are in big, big trouble.

     

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 2:39pm

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    Entrenched in Dogma, Doctor Writes Letter

    That was a terrible read. No evidence, just spewing the industry PR lines.

    I’d like some intellect in your dissenting views please.

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 2:55pm

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    The last remarks about lies building on lies is where I feel I've been forced, as I consider being dishonest which goes against my beliefs. My work office is re-opening for in person work, but starting tomorrow, you now have log in every day with the answer to the question:  Are you vaccinated? All those vaccinated go without a mask, everyone else is marked by a mask requirement and you have to “keep your distance”.  They are segregating and singling out the “non-compliant”.   So what do we do? Accept being marked by wearing a mask or lie and see what happens... and what is next for the non-conformist/free thinkers?  I’ve been on ivermectin for months and with the +99% effectiveness, I’m better protected than the vaccinated, so for me this is all about ethics, truth, and freedom.  Are you free if you have to lie?

     

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 3:38pm

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    All the variants are Coronavirus and the mechanism of action by ivermectin works for all.  See more at   See FLCCC FAQ's: Is Ivermectin effective with the different variants of the Covid-19 virus? Because Ivermectin has 5 different mechanisms of action against coronaviruses, the medication is also effective with the different variants of the virus. The FLCCC has adjusted dosage of Ivermectin in the protocols and have added additional medications and measures to help make the protocols more effective against the variants.

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 4:42pm

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    Grover, I followed the "Simone Gold" link in your quote. It lead me to an article from Medpage Today...

    The article disparaged Simone Gold and the rest of the Frontline Doctors and was gleeful in reporting that Simone Gold was arrested in connection with 1/6. It is interesting to read the nasty diatribes in the comment section. I dug into Medpage and found that it is owned by the Everyday Health Group who are in turn owned by a public company, J2 Global. The top two investors in J2 are Blackrock and The Vanguard Group. It is hard to believe that the vaccinations are not a Global elite tool.

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 5:04pm

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    Hold On A While Longer

    day77,

    It's the new segregation. Masks are almost completely worthless. The holes that allow air to pass through are at least 1,000 times larger diameter than the virus. Literally, it would be like a human trying to get through a fence with multiple holes that are a mile wide.

    I wouldn't lie to avoid wearing a mask. It looks like the mandates and incentives to get jabbed are losing steam. Most who are willing to get jabbed have already done so. Many who haven't gotten jabbed simply don't blindly trust that an experimental novel vaxxine can possibly be safe - and until it is proven to be safe, it isn't worth it. Many of the "red" States have completely opened up. Even the "blue" States are feeling the pressure to open up. When that happens, your management won't have any façade to hide behind and will abandon their segregation efforts. They just want to appear to be fair and considerate to the wokesters.

    Even though the masks are worthless, wear it as a badge of courage that announces that you're not a sheeple. If you really want to have fun, show up in a plastic bubble outfit like the batwoman wears.

    http://https://www.sirfnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Batwoman-Shi-Zhengli-696x391.jpg

    Grover

     

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 5:08pm

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    DbDerwood said:

    YGG, Early on, as the vaccines rolled out, may people asked "does it stop or effect transmission". The answer is no. However, they (CDC, NIH, WHO et al) quickly stopped responding to this questions to stifle debate. The vaccines were made to only reduce death and serious complications, nothing to do with transmission. That's fact. My opinion is that this approach is not real clever as immune escape is more possible within this scenario.

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 5:12pm

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    Blaggers said:

    Even though the masks are worthless, wear it as a badge of courage that announces that you're not a sheeple. If you really want to have fun, show up in a plastic bubble outfit like the batwoman wears.

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 5:28pm

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    All Part Of The New Normal

    Hi Matt,

    Thanks for digging! I remembered that Dr. Simone Gold was at the 1/6/21 Capitol Rally that became the "worst terrorist event in our nation's history." She was there to support President Trump and to talk to as many others as possible about alternate treatments for Covid-1984. So, she's being painted as one of the insurrectionists. That way, they can disparage her message without addressing the science.

    It doesn't surprise me about the tangled web of business ownership. Ask any horse, when the owner says "whoa" you better stop. Young reporters may feel that journalism is still an honorable profession, but their editors know which side of the bread gets buttered.

    What really bothers me is that doctors like Dr. Peter Attia have fallen for the tripe that passes for science. (Where's the science to support these vaxxines? Where are the trial results that show the vaxxines are reasonably safe vaccines?) He and his wife even volunteer in Austin to give jabs - that's how much he believes in the vaxxine. Because he believes so fervently, his patients believe it must be true.

    Grover

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 6:50pm

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    Just to point out...

    At the risk of of going slightly off topic here I just think somebody should point out that had millions of morons around the world not sent their DNA to "genetic sequencing companies" owned by Google and Bill Gates, its possible that we might not be in a global crisis right now.

    I know, Im just a conspiracy theorist. After all...how can sending your personal DNA to people who own and fund back-alley 'gain of function' labs in China not be a good idea?

    BTW who owns "23andme"? Who owns your genetic sample after you send it to them? What are they doing with it?? Never mind, you're .03% Scandanavian!!

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 6:56pm

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    Fear No Virus.....but spike shedding?

    HCQ, IVM, vit D, vit C, Claritin, sunlight, exercise, BMI <20, W/H .46.  I shall fear no virus even at 68 yo.

    BUT, that spike protein shedding possibility by vaxed folks has me concerned.  I would think this issue should be front-and-center for most of us here at PP, who's immune systems I would guess to be "naive".  What is the current data on this issue?  Any place to track reliable research?  Thanks and kudos to all the truth-seekers here, from top to bottom.  I consider this a priceless and crucial community.  Aloha, Steve.

    ps-  I'd really love to meet up with my extended family in a few weeks- but most of them have taken the jab....

    pps- how does one start a new forum topic?

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 7:15pm

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    2retired said:

    I would agree, and would like to see some real evidence surrounding the subject, but suspect there is little interest in finding out. As a matter of convenience, I am assuming it is mostly the symptomatically affected, by vaccine reactions, in the few weeks after vaccination, and I am inclined to keep up some distancing with the vaccinated.

    What you don't want to hear from your rock climbing ascent guide as he ropes up and clips on another carabiner: 'Trust in the Lord'

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 7:18pm

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    Spike protein shedding

    Well, I felt I violated an unwritten PP rule stating asking a question without doing your own research is bad form....so:

    https://principia-scientific.com/covid-vaccinated-can-shed-spike-protein-harming-unvaccinated/

    basically comments on the recent AFLDS briefing on the subject.  I really just want someone to tell me its not an issue ;^).   Aloha, Steve.

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 7:47pm

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    faith

    Yep, that's what I need 2retired: a heavenly voice from the clouds- "On belay!"  Aloha, Steve.

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 8:10pm

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    Will Trust break down (in Canada)?

    Hi herewego,

    I will say that it is likely. When authorities run out of excuses and scapegoats, when people cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel and hope is lost, trust will erode quickly. I think that will be the breaking point. I just saw this article at Zerohedge comparing trust in media in many countries.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/united-states-ranks-last-global-media-trust-new-report-finds

    The US is dead last in trust of the MSM, probably because of the election fraud. France is just a percentage point higher, probably because of the yellow vest protests in 2019 and lock downs. UK scores a few more percentage points, but they too have had largely unreported mass protests against lock downs recently. I largely equate trust in MSM with trust in the corresponding governments (they after all are the propaganda arm of the government).
    Yes, trust is relatively high in Canada, but all it will take is one mistake, a push too far, and most of that trust will be gone. I think the heavily promoted vaccines are a big mistake (won't work and will cause many injuries/deaths), and if they turn the dial up on restrictions I think that will be the push that went too far. And let's not forget that most politicians and their lackeys/handlers are pretty stupid, so I expect them to act likewise. Add to that Trudeau's secret Great Reset agenda and I think Ottawa will be nuked. The vast majority of people just want to get back to their former lives.

    To your second point about smart people not interested in doing research is something that has bothered me for a long time too. Some of is just lack of interest or curiosity in a subject matter, but I think most of it is that it requires time which they would rather spend on entertainment or leisure activities. They trust the MSM/government to give them the 5 second answer to their question or problem instead (like "get the vaccine; it is safe!"). They are too focused on the short term and cannot see the long term consequences of their decisions and actions (you cannot undo the vaccine). They are blind to big red flags or you pointing out that something is wrong (like the rush job on the vaccines). It does not matter what arguments you present or what data you dig up, they just will not spend any time looking at it, even though you did 95% of the work finding it for them. Why bother when some expert on CBC can give them the answer in 5 seconds. After all, you can trust the CBC, can't you?

     

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 9:11pm

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    Spike Protein Numbers Game

    thatchmo wrote:

    BUT, that spike protein shedding possibility by vaxed folks has me concerned.

    Steve,

    Lots of things just don't add up. We're asked to take an experimental vaxxine for a disease that isn't that deadly if treated early with cheap drugs/vitamins/minerals. Then, the dosage on the experimental vaxxine (at least for the Pfizer jab) was at the highest dosage tested - even though antibody levels for all tested dosages were about the same. The amount of mRNA in the Pfizer jab theoretically produces 13 billion spike proteins - many, many times more than enough to stimulate the body's immune response.

    To complicate matters, the spike proteins that our bodies are instructed to make by the mRNA vaxxine are bastardized copies that have differing sequences of amino acids than the coronavirus spike. The vaxxine makers chose to use glycine in the spike wherever possible (because it is the easiest for the body to make.) Their overzealous use of glycine may have been the real reason for having such a large dosage in the jab.

    I've written earlier in this thread about prions - infectious proteins. Mad Cow Disease is caused by prions. In sheep, it is called "Scrapie" and in humans it is called Creutfeldt- Jakob Disease. All it takes is eating a small portion of meat from an infected beef/sheep and you have a strong possibility of developing an incurable brain-wasting disease. Researchers have identified the protein sub-structure that is to blame and call it a "zipper."

    Zippers are a sequence of 5 amino acids that are bound by glycine on both ends, denoted as "GxxxG". Because these zippers have such a flexible hinge, they allow the protein to misfold. Apparently, misfolded proteins are able to cause normal adjacent proteins to misfold. The protein that causes Mad Cow Disease has 10 of these zippers embedded within it. The Pfizer vaxxine causes spike proteins to be made that just so happen to include 5 zippers. I don't know about the other vaxxines.

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/mad-cow-disease-in-humans-2860865

    Since Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease affects the brain, the symptoms it produces are neurological. It may start out subtly with insomnia, depression, confusion, personality and behavioral changes, and problems with memory, coordination, and sight. As it progresses, the person rapidly develops dementia and involuntary, irregular jerking movements called myoclonus.

    In the final stage of the disease, the patient loses all mental and physical functions, lapses into a coma, and eventually dies. The course of the disease usually takes one year.

    https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Creutzfeldt-Jakob-Disease-Fact-Sheet

    Just because the jab causes our bodies to make bastardized spike proteins that each contain 5 zippers ... doesn't mean that it will necessarily degenerate into a brain-wasting disease. Then again, how would we know? Where are the trial results that show its safe? Why didn't our regulators insist on a complete level of trials for such a treatable disease? Hmmm.

    So, what happens if the zippers do misfold and end up causing a brain-wasting disease? First off, understand that it is progressive and incurable. Reread that last sentence until the gravity sets in. If a brain-wasting disease caused by the vaxxine progresses similarly to CJD, we'll notice dementia and involuntary jerking as the telltale. As noted above, the course of the disease usually takes one year. (I'm assuming that is after symptoms start appearing.)

    Fortunately, CJD isn't contagious in normal disease vectors. You won't get it from breathing the same air, kissing, sharing bodily fluids, etc. That's where spike proteins are potentially different. Again, I ask why the vaxxine dosage is so large? Once the vaxxine does its duty and instructs the cells to make ~13 billion copies of the spike protein, the fate of those spike proteins follows a numbers game. Some are trapped in the cells that made them. Some go through the lymph system and end up in the spleen, some are transported through blood and end up throughout the body (including the nervous system and brain.) Some end up in the lungs and get exhaled. Others get sweated out. Shedding has many forms.

    So, if you breathe the air that a vaxxed person exhales, you may just get a small dosage of these spike proteins. If you brush up against them or something they recently touched, you may just get a small dosage of spike proteins. How many spike proteins does it take to cause a brain-wasting disease? I really don't know how many it would take or even if it is a possibility. The zippers are my concern. Surely, the researchers who substituted glycine as much as they did were aware of zippers. Shouldn't someone who reviewed the work have known about it? I didn't come up with this idea. It was brought out by researchers. Once it was known, (even if it wasn't known initially,) why weren't the jabs taken off the market immediately? Hmmm.

    So, the big investors who put their money in Vanguard and Blackstone have control of big Pharma ... and the media ... and also contribute handsomely to political campaigns. Is it any wonder that big Pharma ignores cheap, safe off-patent medicines and punishes doctors who try to prescribe these? Is it any wonder that media are silent about all the real happenings? Is it any wonder that our regulatory system, controlled by politicians who are beholden to these people, is as flaccid as it is when supposedly tasked with keeping us safe?

    What if the whole goal of the plandemic was to get as many people vaxxinated as quickly as possible - before deleterious effects from the vaxxines became evident? Why would the big boyz do this?

    It used to be that the rich could use their money to build factories, fill it with machines and materials, and start making products to sell and get even richer. Back in the old days, they needed labor to build the factories, mine, process, and transport the materials, operate the machinery, etc. Now, we have robotics and artificial intelligence to do much of the hard work. As computers and robotics get better, they only need us to buy their products so they can get richer. But, who is going to get taxed to provide universal basic income for those who can't/won't work? Once you completely scalp the middle class, there are only the rich to fund everything. Do you think that these investors enjoy giving their money to the government (taxes) to be given to the unwashed, useless eaters to spend? Since they do everything in their power to minimize taxes, paying zero taxes would be mighty appealing.

    These people also know that the world is a finite system. We've already used up lots of its unrenewable resources. The master resource, petroleum gets used up more every day. The processes that made these fossil fuels cannot replenish it as quickly as its consumed. Once it is gone, it is gone. At that point, the systems that we've built to grow, process, and transport food along with the systems to provide clean water won't be able to keep up. What will the masses do then? When a person loses everything, they've got nothing left to lose. It likely would result in revolt and massive destruction. If the end result is inevitable, what difference is there to help the situation along a bit?

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    I know this is a fanciful conspiracy theory. There are just too many unexplained and consequential occurrences and events happening lately. I've brought up the ones that concern me the most in this post. Do the big boyz have the power to do this? Do they have the motivation to keep the whole world for themselves? Do they really need our labor in the quantity it is currently available?

    Grover

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  • Sun, Jun 27, 2021 - 10:29pm

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    Edmund Burke has some poignant advice that resonates now

    “There is no safety for honest men, but by believing all possible evil of evil men, and by acting with promptitude, decision, and steadiness on that belief.”― Edmund Burke

     

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  • Mon, Jun 28, 2021 - 3:55am

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    The Rabbit Hole Gets Deeper

    thatchmo wrote:

    Well, I felt I violated an unwritten PP rule stating asking a question without doing your own research is bad form....so:

    https://principia-scientific.com/covid-vaccinated-can-shed-spike-protein-harming-unvaccinated/

    basically comments on the recent AFLDS briefing on the subject.  I really just want someone to tell me its not an issue ;^).   Aloha, Steve.

    Steve,

    Before I get started on this longish post, everything the vaxxine makers have done is trying to get the mRNA into the cells as quickly as possible. The mRNA needs to be coated and they're using a positively charged nano-lipid coating that will be electrically attracted to the electrically negative cell wall. Although naked mRNA would be kept out of the interior of the cell, the cell readily accepts the lipid (with its Trojan Horse.) Once in the cell, the mRNA expresses itself and produces the spike proteins as intended. Then, those spike proteins have to deal with the various aspects of the body's defense mechanisms and transport mechanisms. I haven't found any specific articles referring to the time line; however, I expect that the spike proteins would be created quickly and shedding would start shortly thereafter - peaking within the first few days. Within a few weeks, I'd expect shedding to asymptotically drop toward zero. (That's what my gut says.) The longer it has been since your family members got jabbed, the less you need to worry.

    I followed your link to find out what was being said. It is a learn as you go type of situation with me. I've been quoting 13 billion for the number of spikes produced as a result of the jab because that's the number Dr. Fleming stated. He may have been horribly optimistic. From the link:

    Third, as these experimental vaccines produce many trillions of spike proteins in their recipients, these vaccinated individuals “can shed some of these (spike protein) particles to close contacts,” causing disease in them.

    I really don't know which answer is closer to correct (13 billion or many trillions); however, either way, it is too many as evidenced by antibody titers for the 3 levels of mRNA inoculant producing indistinguishable results. From the same link, this gem:

    Finally, acknowledging the “irrepressible economic incentive among pharmaceutical companies” to market unnecessary  and dangerous childhood COVID vaccinesboosters, and the like, AFLDS insists “Public health experts should stop and assess data on possible vaccine side effects and related post-vaccination questions before it is too late.

    At the bottom of the page, before the advertisements and comments, I found a link dated 5/10/2021 Deadly Prion Brain Diseases & Experimental mRNA Jabs | Principia Scientific Intl. (principia-scientific.com):

    An important and highly concerning study published early this year in the journal Microbiology & Infectious Diseases titled, “Covid-19 RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Diseases,” addresses one of the many potential, unintended, adverse health effects of the experimental mRNA Covid-19 vaccines presently being deployed worldwide, namely, their possible induction of prion diseases, a category of highly fatal brain disorders.

    The study abstract, well worth reading, summarizes both the context, intention, and results of the investigation:

    Development of new vaccine technology has been plagued with problems in the past. The current RNA based SARSCoV-2 vaccines were approved in the US using an emergency order without extensive long term safety testing. In this paper the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine was evaluated for the potential to induce prion-based disease in vaccine recipients.

    The RNA sequence of the vaccine as well as the spike protein target interaction were analyzed for the potential to convert intracellular RNA binding proteins TAR DNA binding protein (TDP-43) and Fused in Sarcoma (FUS) into their pathologic prion conformations. The results indicate that the vaccine RNA has specific sequences that may induce TDP-43 and FUS to fold into their pathologic prion confirmations.

    In the current analysis a total of sixteen UG tandem repeats (ΨGΨG) were identified and additional UG (ΨG) rich sequences were identified. Two GGΨA sequences were found. Potential G Quadruplex sequences are possibly present but a more sophisticated computer program is needed to verify these. Furthermore, the spike protein, created by the translation of the vaccine RNA, binds angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), a zinc containing enzyme.

    This interaction has the potential to increase intracellular zinc. Zinc ions have been shown to cause the transformation of TDP-43 to its pathologic prion configuration. The folding of TDP-43 and FUS into their pathologic prion confirmations is known to cause ALS, front temporal lobar degeneration, Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological degenerative diseases.

    The enclosed finding as well as additional potential risks leads the author to believe that regulatory approval of the RNA based vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 was premature and that the vaccine may cause much more harm than benefit. [emphasis added]

    The part about zinc ions being shown to cause the transformation of TDP-43 to its pathologic prion configuration really scared me. I take zinc/copper daily because of its benefits. Now, they're saying it can cause problems??? I've dealt with family members who suffered from Alzheimer's Disease. Frankly, I'd rather kill myself than go through that disease or put family members through the stress of it. (There's another rabbit hole to dig into.) And, more from the article:

    In the discussion portion of the study, another important factor is addressed, namely, the possibility that there has been misuse of RNA research (funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and Ellison Medical Foundation), and that disease causing prions could be considered bioweapons:

    There is an old saying in medicine that “the cure may be worse than the disease.” The phrase can be applied to vaccines. In the current paper the concern is raised that the RNA based COVID vaccines have the potential to cause more disease than the epidemic of COVID-19. This paper focuses on a novel potential adverse event mechanism causing prion disease which could be even more common and debilitating than the viral infection the vaccine is designed to prevent. While this paper focuses on one potential adverse event there are multiple other potential fatal adverse events as discussed below. Over the last two decades there has been a concern among certain scientists that prions could be used as bioweapons. More recently there has been a concern that ubiquitous intracellular molecules could be activated to cause prion disease including Alzheimer’s disease, ALS and other neurodegenerative diseases. This concern originates due to potential for misuse of research data on the mechanisms by which certain RNA binding proteins like TDP-43, FUS and others can be activated to form disease causing prions. The fact that this research, which could be used for bioweapons development, is funded by private organizations including the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and Ellison Medical Foundation [2] without national/international oversight is also a concern. In the past, for example, there were prohibitions for publishing information pertaining to construction of nuclear bombs.” [emphasis added]

    There is a whole lot more in the article along with a few good links. In an earlier post, I alluded to this vaccine being the reason behind all the shenanigans. Those who took the jab may be walking time bombs. Those who interact closely with the vaxxinated may be at risk as well. We just don't know.

    The big boyz wouldn't let loose such a debilitating weapon unless they had an antidote or some kink of prophylaxis that kept them safe from the vaxxine's nefarious side effects. In the thread, https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/mrna-vaccines-similar-to-mad-cow-prions/, @tg43 suggested searching on the terms "prion disease" and "quinine". It produced some interesting links. Here's one from 2005. I'm posting the entire abstract.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14722283/

    We previously reported that quinacrine inhibited the formation of an abnormal prion protein (PrPres), a key molecule in the pathogenesis of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy, or prion disease, in scrapie-infected neuroblastoma cells. To elucidate the structural aspects of its inhibiting action, various chemicals with a quinoline ring were screened in the present study. Assays of the scrapie-infected neuroblastoma cells revealed that chemicals with a side chain containing a quinuclidine ring at the 4 position of a quinoline ring (represented by quinine) inhibited the PrPres formation at a 50% inhibitory dose ranging from 10(-1) to 10(1) micro M. On the other hand, chemicals with a side chain at the 2 position of a quinoline ring (represented by 2,2′-biquinoline) more effectively inhibited the PrPres formation at a 50% inhibitory dose ranging from 10(-3) to 10(-1) micro M. A metabolic labeling study revealed that the action of quinine or biquinoline was not due to any alteration in the biosynthesis or turnover of normal prion protein, whereas surface plasmon resonance analysis showed a strong binding affinity of biquinoline with a recombinant prion protein. In vivo studies revealed that 4-week intraventricular infusion of quinine or biquinoline was effective in prolonging the incubation period in experimental mouse models of intracerebral infection. The findings suggest that quinoline derivatives with a nitrogen-containing side chain have the potential of both inhibiting PrPres formation in vitro and prolonging the incubation period of infected animals. These chemicals are new candidates for therapeutic drugs for use in the treatment of transmissible spongiform encephalopathies.

    It looks like quinine inhibits the misfolding of the PrP proteins. A chemical related to quinine: 2,2'-biquinoline looks like it is about 100 times more effective. When I searched for it, I see that it can be purchased over the counter. I don't know what a proper dose would be. Someone with experience might be able to wave a few hands about typical dosing. Since I like gin and tonic, I've been using that (with and without gin) as a prophylaxis. I can feel it working. 😉

    Could there be other deleterious effects from receiving the shed spike proteins? There probably are. Fortunately, unlike the virus related spike proteins, the mechanism to generate these doesn't exist for those of us who didn't get jabbed.

    Grover

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  • Mon, Jun 28, 2021 - 5:04am

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    And here we are STILL

    When I start to scratch through the information (conspiracy theories) so they say ...

    Grover - you are on the same "page" as Clif High - who is calling the vaccine reaction "spongiform encephalopathy" and/or blood clotting in the brain. This is causing deaths amongst vaccinated airline pilots - presumably other crew members?

    I first saw this on Clif High's twitter feed:

     

    Have you noticed that Twitter is active in presenting blanc colored pages instead of deleting Twitter feed.

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  • Mon, Jun 28, 2021 - 8:04am

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    Quinine

    I think there's a tonic water called Fevertree that has extra quinine in it.

    I am also at my wit's end about how to react to this shedding issue. Anyone know if prophylactic IVM would help?

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  • Mon, Jun 28, 2021 - 12:06pm

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    vSafe Data from NEJM Study

     

    Ive inserted Table 4 from the study so we can look at it further.

    The 2nd and 3rd table notes contain interesting info  about how the table was formulated.

    Note 2 : Indicates that 700 of the 827 women were vaccinated in the 3rd trimester. I think the heavy bias would be explained by the fact that the vaccine was new in Dec- Feb and the women taking the vaccine early in pregnancy would still be carrying their pregnancies, and thus would have no reason to report anything into vsafe.

    Note 3 : Indicates that 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions were < 13 weeks.

    Afaik, most spontaneous abortions happen in the early stages.   Perhaps this rate is typical as well.

    I had never heard of vsafe, so shooting from the hip.

    Im assuming that the v-safe data is reported by anyone who wants to report a pregnancy successful or otherwise after the fact.  Since the woman would be vaccinated anywhere along the way (between 0 - end of pregnancy) the data would be very chaotic as the starting point would be anywhere along the path and anyone who chose to report a successful pregnancy or abortion who had been vaccinated.   I presume that persons who lost a fetus would l be more likely to submit a report (just guessing)?

    I suggest this looks to be FAR less clear cut than the panic hot takes by the two 'reporters' in the video.

     

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  • Mon, Jun 28, 2021 - 1:16pm

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    Spontaneous abortion requires a second look

    Relevant link: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983

    The 827 women were only those who reported a pregancy outcome. For those under 20 weeks, that includes only those who spontaneously aborted or had an abortion. Most did not.  The data doesn't break down well enough to know exactly how many people were < 20 weeks gestation.  Here is an estimate from tables 3 and 4:

    • < 14 weeks: 1132
    • 14-20 weeks 1714 in second trimester x 6 weeks/14 weeks = 735 (6 weeks of the second trimester are < 20 weeks).
    • Total = 1867
    • Spontaneous abortions < 20 weeks = 104.

    Rate = 104/2167 = 5.6%.

    Data was collected from any pregnant women vaccinated between 12/14/20 and 2/28/21.  They do not specify their data collection cutoff date.  So there may have been additional spontaneous abortions after their cutoff date.  There may also have been unreported spontaneous abortions.

    So that number of 82% does not really mean anything other than that 82% of the women whose pregnancy ended < week 20 were spontaneous abortions.  The other 18% were chosen abortions.

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  • Mon, Jun 28, 2021 - 1:45pm

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    thatchmo said:

    Thanks Grover for your work here.  So, now I'm thinking: try to get a case of CV which I would likely survive with future immunity, then not have to take supplemental zinc and quercitin,  and supplement with some type of quinnine product.  Sound right?  Sheesh, I guess the only solution is regular dosing of gin and tonic....Aloha, Steve.

    Aloha, Steve.

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  • Mon, Jun 28, 2021 - 2:14pm

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    thatchmo said:

    Grover, which counter are you sourcing your 2.2'-biquinoline over?  My initial search was this

    https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/product/aldrich/b35407

    $40/gram.  Something cheaper and locally sourced?  Thanks, Aloha, Steve.

     

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  • Mon, Jun 28, 2021 - 4:06pm

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    2,2'-Biquinoline

    Steve,

    That's one of online shops I saw. I looked at a few and they were all in the $35-45 range per gram. There are quantity discounts available. The big problem is dosage. I don't have a clue. A gram might be a lifetime supply. I'll do some more snooping and I hope medical types would weigh in on the subject. Is all 2,2'-biquinoline created the same? Again, no clue. Don't make the cure worse than the disease!

    As far as abandoning zinc ... I'm not going to do it. Zinc is needed by the body's cells in order to function. I think it has far more benefits than problems. For instance, when Covid-1984 first came on the scene, one of the symptoms was loss of taste/smell. That is a classic symptom of zinc deficiency. The body prioritized zinc away from smell and taste receptors so it could be used where it was much more needed. Just remember that it needs to be balanced with copper at a ~10:1 weight ratio of zinc : copper.

    Thinking more about the situation with zinc ions being released from the ACE2 cells due to spike attachment and then the zinc ions causing TDP-43 proteins to become pathologic ... I think it is better to address the spike protein issue than to try to starve the zinc from it. Again, that's my gut talking.

    1. Don't take the damn vaxxine until it has completed its safety trials. Normally, that takes 5-10 years. Even then, there are drugs that go through the process with nary a hitch. Years later, lawyers put ads on late night TV that start out "If you've been injured by (_____) ... you may be entitled to substantial compensation." What could go wrong with a novel vaxxination approach that didn't go through standard protocol? Hmmm.
    2. Limit exposure to those who have recently been jabbed. I haven't found any studies on spike protein generation VS the different vaxxine formulations; however, the strategy has been to get the mRNA into the cells quickly. I assume that spikes are generated quickly and reach a peak within a day or two of the jab. Shedding should peak about the same time and then diminish over time. At some point, shedding should be so minimal as to be moot. Young women may be more susceptible to the effects of spike proteins since they preferentially lodge in ovaries. Those who live with recently vaxxed partners have noticed changes in menstrual cycles. Does that happen if around someone who got jabbed a week earlier? Two weeks? A month or more? That might give us the best clue as to when shedding is insignificant.
    3. Quinine and derivatives have been shown to impede prions. HCQ is a derivative of quinine. (Can you get that?) If you're taking HCQ for Covid prophylaxis, it may be enough to keep prions from misforming. I just don't know. I'm drinking cheap tonic water with lime. It may not help enough.
    4. Any other suggestions?

    I hope that some of the tribe members with medical expertise will weigh in on 2,2'-biquinoline. The big issues are safe dosage and availability.

    Grover

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  • Mon, Jun 28, 2021 - 4:36pm

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    More on quinine - side effects etc.

    A: Doctors used to prescribe quinine pills to prevent leg cramps. The standard dose was between 200 and 300 mg of quinine. The Food and Drug Administration banned quinine for this purpose, but continues to allow it in tonic water. A liter normally has 83 mg of quinine. An eight-ounce glass would therefore have roughly 20 mg, about one-tenth the lowest dose doctors prescribed for leg cramps. Even three glasses daily should be OK as long as you are not sensitive to quinine. Some susceptible people develop a dangerous blood disorder after even small doses of quinine. Symptoms of quinine toxicity include digestive upset, headache, ringing in the ears, visual disturbances, skin rash and arrhythmias.

    https://www.ajc.com/lifestyles/health/how-much-tonic-water-too-much/1oR5kucypxSqxO0rbMXY6L/

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  • Mon, Jun 28, 2021 - 4:41pm

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    Rat Island, Aleutian Chain, Alaska

    I've posted about Rat Island before. It never got much interest, possibly because it takes a while for me to organize my thoughts, and by then the thread has reached its end of life. The key take-away I got from from the Rat Island experience was that the consequences of actions needs to be separated from the action to get the maximum effect. Keep that in mind.

    This article from AK Fish & Wildlife describes the efforts taken to eradicate rats that originated from a 1780s shipwreck. Rats had multiplied and predated the native nesting bird population. This article doesn't go into the real details. It's basically a success story.

    https://www.fws.gov/refuge/alaska_maritime/what_we_do/partnership/rat_island.html

    The real story is that the rats were smart enough to avoid all earlier attempts to eradicate them. Just as every population has the aggressive members and more timid groups, rats have a distribution as well. In the past, AKFWS would distribute quick-acting rat poison to control the rats. The aggressive members would gobble up the tasty poison. More cautious rats would sit back to see what happens. When they saw the aggressive rats who ate the poison bait got sick and died, they would avoid the poison. The plan got rid of perhaps half the population, but the remainder quickly repopulated the island.

    AKFWS did something different this time. They used a poison that had a 2 week delayed response. When the more cautious rats saw no consequences to those who gobbled up the poison, more and more joined in the feast. By the time the early adopter rats started dying off from the delayed response poison, it was already too late as the rest of the rats had consumed enough poison for it to be lethal. The island is now rat-free for the first time in over 200 years.

    Dr. Fleming noted in a humanized mice (GMO to include hACE2 receptors) study where the mice were infected with coronavirus and within 2 weeks, 95% had died or been euthanized. Autopsies on the mice showed spongiform encephalopathy. He said that 2 weeks for mice roughly equated to 1.5 years for humans. Hmmm.

    Word to the wise: Just because nothing bad has happened to the majority of vaxxed so far doesn't mean it's safe to take. Are we collectively any smarter than rats?

    Grover

    [Edit: I removed the reference to a Scottish shipwreck. I've earlier seen that the shipwreck was Russian and just now, that it was Japanese. It really doesn't matter whose flag was flown. The rats have only been eradicated from Rat Island, a 10.3 square mile island. There are over a dozen neighboring islands that are still infested. It took about $2.5 million to get rid of the rats on just one island.]

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 1:27am

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    Reply to Jim H

    Sorry for the late reply, I usually only log in here when Chris posts a new video.

    Anyway, I understand what you're saying. It would be better if I had put the word "reservoir" in quotation marks, since I was not using it for it's commonly understood definition. I was thinking of a more dynamic situation where the virus is bouncing around between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. (Although viral shedding and forward transmission seems to be much less with vaccinated people, it does still happen.)

    At the moment, we only have about 60% of people with full or partial vaccination (in the USA). That means we're at or near the peak of this "petri dish" effect where the virus is getting repeatedly challenged against the vaccines and (occasionally) passed back to the unvaxxed population after learning a new trick.

    The mutations are mostly not happening within the unvaxxed population. Their role is simply to keep the circulation going around.

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