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    The Delta Variant Spreads Among the Vaccinated

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    by Chris Martenson

    Tuesday, June 29, 2021, 6:21 PM

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You’ve been hearing a lot about the Delta variant — how bad is it, and what does it mean for you? And why are Delta “outbreaks” happening in highly vaccinated places like Israel?

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 7:49pm

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    MGRS

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    Good to have Chris and his charts back

    Man it feels good to have Chris and his charts making sense of the data again.  Felt like old times. 🙂

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 8:14pm

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    brushhog said:

    Well all I can say is that this time Im not going quietly into lockdown with my mask on. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 8:21pm

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    More lockdowns?

    Something to consider about more lockdowns. Wouldn't ordering new lockdowns force the powers that be to address any issues of the vaccine not being as effective possibly? That would not be good PR. Or perhaps it would allow them to make a case for boosters? I know it's probably too early but I'm just wondering.

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 8:54pm

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    J.B. said:

    Chris,

    At 15m59s you talk about the absolute number of cases in the Seychelles, without referencing the rather tiny population of those islands.  While it's true that the problem is small in absolute numerical terms, wouldn't it be more fair to look at it on a per-million-population basis?

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 9:15pm

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    LOL!

    "I'm out of ideas, don't know what it could be..." Got a good chuckle out of that one, Chris!

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 9:27pm

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    Vax'd medical workers in Indonesia ill from Delta

    Lots of Sinovac vax'ed physicians and other medical workers in Indonesia getting ill and some dying from the Delta variant.

    e.g. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-indonesian-doctors-contract-covid-19-despite-vaccination-dozens-2021-06-17/

     

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 9:41pm

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    Snake Oil

    My understanding is that it is to the disease's advantage NOT to to be lethal. (A lethal disease is self-limiting because it runs out of hosts.)

    It is for this reason viral blooms taper off. As can be seen in these graphs.

    In my model, vaccines are modern day snake-oil. This fracas is the Big Reveal. Big Pharma is running around with its hair on fire.

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 10:19pm

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    Re; Seychelles

    Chris,

    At 15m59s you talk about the absolute number of cases in the Seychelles, without referencing the rather tiny population of those islands.  While it's true that the problem is small in absolute numerical terms, wouldn't it be more fair to look at it on a per-million-population basis?

    Not really.  I think 169 cases and an average of 1 death/day are numbers that need to be mentioned when one makes the claim that "the Seychelles are one of the 10 worst Covid hotspots in the world."

    I'd personally be more worried about being in the UK where the system has decided that there won't be any early treatments for me and my loved ones until our lips turn blue.

     

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 10:35pm

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    Delta variant = vaccine harms rebranded

    Don't you think that the "Delta variant" that hits vaccinated people is simply vaccine damage rebranded as a "new variant"? Not only increased susceptibility (all the lab animals died upon exposure to the live pathogen), but people go out with a false confidence that they are "immunized". None of this would happen if simply using the censored effective treatments.

    covid-delta-variant-deaths

    Top experts are now openly stating the obvious: The vaccines are bioweapons being used to depopulate (just wait till the post-summer "seasonal" Vitamin D deficiency-induced susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2/hCoVs + ADE + fucking prion disease?), and to justify new lockdowns to further destroy the middle class.

    The vaccines are not being effective, serving only to prolong the plandemic and cause increased death and morbidity, as we knew was the intention all along as that's how the economic incentives are aligned and the "vaccines" were from the beginning made with the blood of millions of people, by companies with a long criminal track record (except Moderna as they're new with 0 approvals yet started making the vaccine by January 2020 and its CEO is connected to the creation of the Wuhan lab).

    To define it as something other than vaccine damage seems somewhat dangerously enemy friendly.

    There's NO WAY they're getting away with this for long... But will they get to the children first? In many countries, it looks like it's going to happen.

    Those are the two big topics IMO. Bioweapon and the children.

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 10:53pm

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    Thanks for setting me straight about the Seychelles, Chris!

    Hi Chris, great segment by you -- as usual!

    I didn't look deeply enough into the Seychelles -- I got so used to looking at cases & deaths as a fraction of the population (in ppm, or per million in the population) for all the countries, and then when I heard about the Seychelles, I added it to my graphs I've been using for over a year and -- WOW! -- looked like a disaster.

    Now I see the "disaster" is a whopping 63 deaths.  That's the gotcha with small populations (or sample sizes).  I knew the #s were small because the data was noisy, but I should have at least looked at raw #s once.

    Anyway, I appreciate your focus on the main things:

    1. DWIZIBINS (such as those mentioned at c19early.com & FLCCC.net of course)

    2. characteristics of new variants (and whether they're less/more infectious or lethal)

    Best to ya! -- Matt

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 11:07pm

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    Estimated death rate from UK data

    From worldometer using UK's 7 day moving average cases and deaths on June 29:

    Assuming 2 week lag (7 day moving average deaths on June 29 / 7 day moving average cases on June 15) ~ 0.23%

    Assuming 3 week lag (7 day moving average deaths on June 29 / 7 day moving average cases on June 8) ~ 0.3%

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 11:17pm

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    coh said:

    (all the lab animals died upon exposure to the live pathogen)

    I've seen this claim on this forum a number of times but have never seen any documentation that supports it. Please provide such, if you can.

    Regarding the Seychelles, I agree that looking only at the raw number of cases can be misleading. According to Worldometers, the case rate in the Seychelles is, relative to population, the 3rd highest in the world at 157,000 per million (for comparison, the US rate is 104,000/million). Those are total cases to date so not a direct measure of the current severity of the pandemic. However, in the Seychelles the vast majority of the cases have occurred since late April (in contrast the US case rate peaked in January). So it seems quite reasonable to refer to the Seychelles as having one of the most severe outbreaks in the world right now. Whether that is justification for the type of sensationalist media headlines we've seen is a separate matter, but it's tough to really evaluate that without additional information about the level of impact on their health care system.

    Hopefully the delta variant turns out to be less lethal than preceding variants, but I would say it's premature to make that conclusion. Typically there has been a roughly 2 week lag between cases increasing and deaths increasing. Maybe for this variant the lag period will be different (longer). So far the data looks encouraging, though.

     

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2021 - 11:17pm

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    Delta variant crime syndicate thoroughly exposed

    Mike Adams just posted an extremely good article about the "Delta variant":

    DELTA variant hysteria exposes the sobering truth: Covid vaccines don’t work, and “variants” are pushed as scare stories to demand more vaccines, mask mandates and destructive lockdowns

    Tuesday, June 29, 2021 by: Mike Adams

    (Natural News) We have now reached a stunning tipping point in the global push for mass vaccinations that inject people with spike protein bioweapons. New research finds that “fully vaccinated” individuals are suffering an eight times higher mortality rate than the non-vaccinated. And a stunning report out of the UK finds that 62% of those dying from covid are people who have been vaccinated.

    The covid vaccine, it turns out, doesn’t really work.

    More specifically, it doesn’t provide non-specific immunity to even slight variations in coronavirus morphology. While natural immunity produces more “general” antibodies that work against all sorts of variants, the covid vaccine — consisting of spike protein bioweapons being injected into human guinea pigs as part of a global medical experiment — provides little or no immunity against viral variants (even assuming it works against the original strain, which is quite a leap).

    The implications of this are profound. It means that people who have chosen the vaccine route instead of the natural immunity route will be forever dependent on “booster” shots to try to address each new variant as mutations appear in the wild. This means repeated injections with more bioweapons, and it means the covid vaccines that were originally promoted as a pathway to “freedom” and immunity are no such thing. It’s more like an addiction to the needle, because you need endless injections just to stay current, since viruses constantly mutate in the wild.

    While a naturally immune person has achieved true freedom with a fully functioning immune system, a vaccine-dependent person has no general protections and must live in constant fear that a new mutation will suddenly render their existing, limited antibodies completely obsolete.

    Yet vaccine passports are given to the vaccinated — the most vulnerable — not those who have achieved far more powerful natural immunity. This is just one of the many ways the entire plandemic response is actually designed to continue spreading the infections so that lockdowns, mask mandates and vaccine mandates can be gleefully justified by power-drunk bureaucrats and medical tyrants (like Fauci).

    Delta variant vaccine failure now used to demand return to lockdowns, masks and social distancing

    As I publicly predicted months ago, these new “variants” are greedily invoked by health tyrants to unleash a return to authoritarian lockdowns, mask mandates and other freedom-crushing demands. The failure of their own vaccine creates the very conditions that give them the power to take away yet more human freedoms. And just to add insult to injury, they demand you consent to every new vaccine they concoct, always with the same calculated lie: “If you just take THIS vaccine, then you’ll be safe and free!”

    But it’s always a lie. The vaccines don’t really work as promised, and you’re never free until you stand your ground and say no to the medical tyrants.

    Importantly, given that viruses constantly mutate in the wild, there is no future where medical tyrants voluntarily declare the pandemic to be “over” and stop demanding lockdowns, masks and vaccine injections.

    They’ve found the ultimate power trip scam, and they’re going to keep pushing it as long as they can. And for those who are willing to be obedient sheeple — mostly Democrats and Leftists, of course — this means never-ending enslavement under the Pandemic Virus Industrial Complex.

    Remember the promise from 2020? “Give us two weeks to flatten the curve.” Soon it will be two years and counting. There is no scenario where these covid tyrants release their iron grip on humanity. There is no point where they say, “You’re vaccinated enough.” There is no circumstance under which they will back off from their power grab and trust in people to make their own decisions.

    As proof of that, LA County has just issued a new declaration, demanding that everybody wear masks indoors — even if you’re vaccinated — because of the Delta variant. Isn’t this a blatant admission that the promise of vaccines was a complete fraud? So any time a new variant comes along, everybody has to surrender to the public health tyrants yet again?

    Today’s Situation Update podcast reveals even more details about the insidious covid plot to enslave humanity forever. You will never be free until you stop acting like a slave. But for many people, after taking the vaccine and multiple booster shots, they will be lucky to even be alive. Mass vaccine deaths are right around the corner, and about half the country is at risk of being killed by the vaccines they took, oblivious to the fact that the vaccines were all engineered as depopulation bioweapons from the very start.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 1:29am

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    The 12 year old girl (Pfizer) who's now confined to a wheel chair sounded like Guillain Barré - Miller-Fisher Syndrome, with dysautonomia.  See Childrens Health Defender

    GBS (or AIDP) has previously been linked with campylobacter infxn, and with the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine.

    I've seen two healthy young men enter the Army, get some undisclosed vaccine, and become permanently disabled. One got CIDP (still gets monthly IVIG); the other developed ALS and died from it, in his late 20s.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 2:18am

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    Lord Custard-Smythe-Smith said:

    Unfortunately the theory that this will become less lethal has a flaw. This virus spreads asymptomatically. So there is little pressure for that to evolve.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 2:24am

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    Lord Custard-Smythe-Smith said:

    With the elderly and infirm double vaccinated in the UK it was inevitable that more deaths would come in that group. Did they die of covid or with covid is the important question. They can test positive and show in the stats, but have had a mild case that tipped them over the edge with other health problems. The unvaccinated in the UK are primarily the children and young adults who wouldn't be likely to die from covid. So extrapolating the jabs don't work from this stat is false. If you look at deaths vs cases, its hugely down. So much so the UK will end all restrictions soon despite rising cases. Few are ending up in hospital and even fewer dying. That's not true of countries with low vaccination - unless they are using Ivermectin.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 4:05am

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    Local perspective of Mongolia's outbreak & Chinese vaccines

    Chris,

    I can confirm much of the local sentiment in Mongolia regarding the Chinese vaccines is turning negative, with a lot of breakthrough infections occurring. In fact, two members of our extended family had one of the Chinese vaccines, Sinopharm I believe, and still got sick. Not just testing "positive", but actually getting sick. MAYBE they are helping in reducing the severity of some cases. But one of our previously mentioned family members still required hospitalization. As did his wife who received the Astrazeneca vaccine, the other widely-used vaccine here.

    That said, it's also worth mentioning that Mongolia's current outbreak is really still our "first wave". Mongolia managed to shut borders in time to ride out most of 2020 without an outbreak, and the outbreak didn't start until late last year when the government screwed up with a quarantine center for Mongolians returning from abroad. Since then we've had frequent and long lockdowns that suppressed but didn't contain the spread. A couple months ago the government finally threw up its hands and lifted the lockdowns, at which point the spread really started in earnest. So in my opinion we would have seen a massive surge regardless, and whether the Chinese vaccines work well or not might nudge the curve one way or the other but it wouldn't have changed the overall trend.

    At present it looks like cases are peaking in the capital and largest city Ulaanbaatar, but are still on the upswing in all the other towns and provinces. But at the same time according to my wife they're not testing as much as they used to. Whether it's because of the stated reason that supplies of testing kits are shrinking or that it makes the numbers & government officials look slightly less bad, we can only speculate.

    On a final note I just completed my own Covid recovery, and I gotta say it was one of the mildest and most insignificant illnesses I've had. I'm an unvaccinated man in my 40's, and a slight headache, stuffy nose, and partial loss of smell was all I experienced and it lasted just under a week. The two "drugs that shall not be named" are not found in Mongolia, but I followed the rest of the Zelenko protocol you've mentioned previously (quercetin, zinc, vitamin C, vitamin D) combined with the Russian antiviral Arbidol. So I just want to give a personal thank you to you Chris for all for your diligent information scouting that in all probability contributed in making my Covid-19 experience a total non-issue! 🙂

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 5:57am

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    Could be Ivermectin, but more likely Covid reached all that it can get...

    Could be Ivermectin, but more likely Covid reached all that it can get, so most are resistant now. Of course if there would be data in India that uses Ivermectin vs non use... With an R0 now at around 6? It should not need much time to reach a big chunk of population that is / was not anymore in full lockdown.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 6:22am

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    So the decline is natural ? More than 2 Billion Indians and the virus already gone through the majority of it ? I wonder how fast we will see this happening in the UK then, the virus should be well done over there by now or is it ? I hope it is IVM that did the trick, seasonality might have added too but I really wonder if a virus ending his rage within India is the explanation of the steep decline.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 7:46am

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    brushhog said:

    "Unfortunately the theory that this will become less lethal has a flaw. This virus spreads asymptomatically. So there is little pressure for that to evolve"

    Ive thought about this and there is another issue to consider....this virus was created in a lab [ that seems the most likely scenario now ]. Does a man-made virus follow the same path as a natural virus? Was it designed to mutate into more and more deadly strains as time goes on? Is such a thing possible? We may never know.

    One thing for sure though, my prediction -that vaccinated people would start dying and that it would be blamed on a new "strain", that lie would then be used to vilify the unvaccinated and ramp up pressure to vax everyone- is spot on so far.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 8:29am

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    Asymptomatic spread? …Unlikely

    So much of the covid fear-mongering is based on this highly questionable claim of asymptomatic spread, with no studies (as far as I know) to back it up.  …This odd claim needs actual evidence.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 9:46am

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    New vax warning from Health Canada

    https://www.timescolonist.com/news/heath-canada-adds-warning-of-very-rare-serious-condition-as-potential-side-effect-1.24337055

    Health Canada is updating the label for the Oxford-AstraZeneca and COVISHIELD COVID-19 vaccines to add capillary leak syndrome as a potential side-effect. ...

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 10:17am

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    "All the animals died" confusion: They would've died if not killed

    @coh
    I've seen this claim on this forum a number of times but have never seen any documentation that supports it. Please provide such, if you can.

    A reasonable request since I didn't source the statement, and it turns out I think you're right, good catch! I searched a non-censored (though still strongly influenced by the censored ones) search engine for "all the lab animals died" and the only source seems to be: Dr. Lee Merritt: In Animal Studies, After Being Injected With MRNA Technology, All Animals Died Upon Reinfection. I haven't listened to it yet but she is quoted as saying: "We have never made it through an animal study successfully for this type of virus." This is true -- I'm pretty sure there's no evidence suggesting otherwise. Why else would they skip animal trials?

    The confusion seems to stem from the interviewer (Alex Newman), or from whoever penned that article posted in many places, who confused or embellished "never made it through an animal study successfully" to "all animals died".

    They refer to the 2012 paper Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus, which states:

    Conclusions: These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

    The vaccine types were "a VLP vaccine, the vaccine given to ferrets and NHP, another whole virus vaccine and an rDNA-produced S protein", i.e. it included an mRNA-via-DNA one like the top blood-clotting jab from AstraZeneca.

    Balb/c or C57BL/6 mice were vaccinated i.m. on day 0 and 28 and sacrificed for serum antibody measurements or challenged with live virus on day 56. On day 58, challenged mice were sacrificed and lungs obtained for virus and histopathology.

    In other words, as this analysis also notes, the mice developed immunopathology but didn't die by themselves because they were sacrificed instead.

    Interestingly, writing for Nature Magazine, Shibo Jiang, professor of virology at Fudan University in China, says: "I have worked to develop vaccines and treatments for coronaviruses since 2003, when the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak happened. In my view, standard protocols are essential for safeguarding health. Before allowing use of a COVID-19 vaccine in humans, regulators should evaluate safety with a range of virus strains and in more than one animal model…Work with the SARS virus shows that worrying immune responses were seen in ferrets and monkeys, but not in mice.

    Yet the study above clearly shows mice fared very badly. So it's even worse in ferrets and monkeys, the latter being much closer to humans.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 10:22am

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    Momentous legal announcement everyone should be aware of

    A lot of people are feeling a sense of hopelessness. Me too at times. Yesterday I watched Dr. Reiner Fuellmich make this 50 minute statement about the Corona scandal, crimes against humanity and the class action lawsuits. I felt more hope after listening than I have for a long time.

    There is a dedicated thread for what has been dubbed Nuremberg 2.0. Please be sure to check it from time to time as comments here can get buried quickly. I try to update it as much as possible as I am following this legal action closely, hoping beyond hope that it will stop the madness we are all experiencing.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 10:38am

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    Class action lawsuits

    Thank you for sharing.  I was wondering about this last night.  Given the immunity for the manufacturers, there still has to be a way to get this to court and (hopefully) use the discovery process to show all of the nefarious stuff going on behind the scenes.

    Go after the Gates Foundation?  The U.S. Government directly?  Specific individuals?

    How would this work?

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 10:48am

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    Dr. Fuellmich is our best bet

    I am not a lawyer but my understanding is that any agreements, whether for immunity from prosecution or EUAs are null and void if they were obtained making fraudulent statements, which they were. If there are holes to be found, Dr. Fuellmich et all will find them and do all they can to prosecute. This is a global legal team with thousands of lawyers and more joining by the day. All evidence is available to everyone to use, for free. And anyone and everyone who has experienced harms can join the class action lawsuits. I would encourage everyone to add their names.

    It is a big snowball that we have to hope becomes an avalanche. The only question at this point is how much has the judiciary been bought by the other side. Dr. Fuellmich is hopeful not all of it has. They do have some small early victories re the PCR tests, which will support more cases going forward. 🙏🏻🤞

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 11:55am

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    cat coronavirus studies

    @coh

    there have also been a whole sequence of cat coronavirus vaccination studies, which mostly ended badly due to either no protection or accelerated death consistent with ADE, such as: 'Early death after feline infectious peritonitis virus challenge due to recombinant vaccinia virus immunization'. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC249267/?page=1. However, for ethical reasons, the cats were euthanised once they were judged to have entered the terminal phase. So, perhaps that doesn't count? One interesting thing (to me) was how few animals were in each sample size - often 4-5 in each treatment arm and the same for the control group.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 12:01pm

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    RE: "All the animals died" confusion: They would've died if not killed"

    The confusion seems to stem from the interviewer (Alex Newman), or from whoever penned that article posted in many places, who confused or embellished "never made it through an animal study successfully" to "all animals died".

    Thanks for elaborating in response to my request for information. I've browsed through the original 2012 paper (full text can be found at https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421). There appears to be some additional confusion. I don't think any of the vaccines tested were mRNA vaccines similar to pfizer/moderna. They reference a vaccine using "an rDNA-produced S protein". I believe that is something similar to what Novavax is developing - it sounds like they didn't inject RNA or DNA into the animals but rather inserted the DNA in some cell type (insect perhaps) to produce spike proteins which were then injected. I could be wrong about that but other references I've seen state this more clearly.

    I have no way of evaluating the severity of the hypersensitivity responses nor whether the animals would have died had they not been sacrificed. Didn't see any clear statements about that in the paper though I will have to read through it more carefully when I have more time. But the fact that ALL of the vaccine types tested resulted in the same type of response is definitely concerning. Maybe this type of response is occurring in vaccinated humans as well but no one is looking for it (maybe it's not lethal/doesn't cause severe symptoms in most).

    Still watching and waiting regarding vaccines...

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 12:53pm

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    How can anyone listen to this man anymore?

    One thing for sure though, my prediction -that vaccinated people would start dying and that it would be blamed on a new "strain", that lie would then be used to vilify the unvaccinated and ramp up pressure to vax everyone- is spot on so far.

    Here is the headline in today's Daily Mail :

    Fauci warns country may be divided into 'two Americas' by Indian 'Delta' variant that continues to spread in undervaccinated areas - while CDC director says those who've had shots are SAFE from mutant strain and don't need to wear masks

    I've also seen stories in my local paper about fewer vaccinated people in rural areas, making them sound like hicks

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 12:53pm

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    seeking truth.. as many have suspected, high BMI is the main co-morbidity for the non-elderly

    One of our tribe doctors recently pointed to the importance of getting our BMI's down.  It's no joke;

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 1:16pm

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    Fauci the Compassionate

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 1:54pm

    John Anon

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    Holy Smokers!

    @Jim H:  The BMI data is kind of interesting, but insurprising.

    The numbers for smokers however are MIND BLOWING. According to these numbers, current smokers are 3-4 times less likely to die from Covid than the average person. Holy smokes! Right?

    Could Nicotine (bandaids?) be Dwsnbn III?

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 2:21pm

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    Hello John... some of us have been all over that smoking = protective signal

    This was the dot that connected into the idea that Niacin, vitamin B3, aka Nicotinic Acid, was an effective cure for Covid-19.  DaveF, myself, and several of us have been working the Niacin angle since last Fall.  There have been some papers/studies (none of which I have seen conclude) that looked at the more obvious angle of nicotine.. but I don't think that is the factor.  I found an old analytical chem paper that showed identification of nicotinic acid in cigarette smoke.  Although the dosing would be low, it is both direct into the bloodstream (via lungs) AND direct to the first affected mucosal cells where we know many early interventions work, so low (and fairly constant) ondosing may still be effective in this sense.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/297860737_Separation_identification_and_determination_of_nicotinic_acids_and_nicotinamide_in_cigarette_tobacco_and_smoke_Part-I

    You can find some recent discussion of Niacin in my thread related to prophylaxis cocktail - starting at post #43;

    What is the ultimate prophylactic cocktail? A thread to collect evidence

     

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 4:14pm

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    Biowarfare expert says Covid was part of bio weapon research probably accidentally released

    https://twitter.com/scuba2024/status/1410020992290807816

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 4:17pm

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    Brett Weinstein demonetized by YT for talking about Covid treatments

    https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/youtube-demonetizes-bret-weinstein/

     

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 4:54pm

    thesecuritygirl

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    vaccines and boosters

    Funny to say that..... listening to MSM today and guess what????  Vaccines work but the host mentioned "just to be extra safe" they took additional booster that were made by other manufacturers....  basically if you took 2 Modernas you could add a J&J to add a "boost" or add an Astrazen to "add additional protection".   These mo-fos have lost their damn minds altogther.... WTF!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 5:20pm

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    Malone/Bridle Interview

    This unbuttoned interview with Drs. Malone and Bridle by Trish Wood (former CBC journalist) is far and away the best one I’ve heard with either of the interviewees.  Super long and super engrossing stuff!

    Includes some insightful commentary by Wood on the madness the Canadian medical establishment and Canadian society as whole have descended into during this pandemic.

    The second segment with Dr. Bridle and a couple of Canadian doctors also good about how WRT Covid, at least,  medicine as it is practiced in Canada now more reminiscent of the Soviet Union than a progressive, modern country in the 21st century.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 5:25pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Brett Weinstein is like Julian Assange, he is going to follow his conscience no matter what it costs him.

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  • Wed, Jun 30, 2021 - 8:05pm

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    do Delta strain antibodies offer immunity to earlier strains?

    do the antibodies generated by the delta strain back immunize you against the earlier , deadlier strains?. is the delta strain out competing the earlier strains?

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  • Fri, Jul 02, 2021 - 1:16am

    Matthew Isaacs

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    check out EuroMomo (European Monthly Mortality)

    The UK has already had its frail population die through the past 3 waves, so attributing the recent reduction in case fatality rate to vaccination, or using the data to conclude that the delta variant is less dangerous, by comparing results to either the UK earlier, or to countries that were recently in their first or second waves, isn't valid.  NHS update #17 adds a little more clarity, by breaking cases and deaths down by < vs. > age 50 for all major variants, which helps a little in terms of the picture in the UK, but we really need a much more thorough index of age-adjusted case fatality to make country-to-country comparisons where they had very different timing on waves of COVID cases/deaths, and/or where the age of their populations differ significantly, etc.

    That said, I think the cumulative deaths/1M_population to date are somewhat reflective of most major country's relative performance now, because the pandemic has pretty much made it around the world.  (Some islands, being small or super isolated until recently, should still be excluded from such comparisons because they are effectively still in their first wave.)  Due to similarities in societal behaviors, government actions, and for other major reasons such as better quality data collection, perhaps the best set of countries to compare are those in Western Europe.

    I think the best source of info is actually EuroMomo (European Monthly Mortality), because you get the context of COVID against up to 5 years of total (aka all-cause) mortality data by country (see the graph section Z-score by country), and the seasonality of SARS2 is readily apparent (in the overall mortality #s graph, in the graphs that stratify deaths by age, and in Z-scores by country graphs).  You can also see that the more hardcore the country is about getting vitamin D, the better off they are (or so it seems), not just for COVID season but every winter/influenza season, year after year after year -- champions are Finland (with the least sun but the best vitD supplementation) and Mediterranean islands Cyprus and Malta.  To a lesser degree are the other major vitD supplementing countries (Norway, Sweden, and Denmark).

    I like total mortality because it gets us away from the political counts of COVID -- meaning people dying with COVID with Ct > 40 PCR -- distinctly different from dying of COVID.  It also enables year-over-year comparisons.

    https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

    especially: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#z-scores-by-country

    Pull the slider all the way to the left to get 5 years of data (instead of the default, 3).

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 11:06am

    teacup

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    Reply to brushog

    "One thing for sure though, my prediction -that vaccinated people would start dying and that it would be blamed on a new "strain", that lie would then be used to vilify the unvaccinated and ramp up pressure to vax everyone- is spot on so far."

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/03/health/unvaccinated-variant-factories/index.html

    Article from CNN stating your prediction. Unvaccinated people are variant factories.

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 2:02pm

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    thatchmo said:

    Wait a minute CNN/WHO "expert"!  I believe even the vax manufacturers state the jab won't protect the victim for acquiring or transmitting the 'rona.  So wouldn't the jabbed be just as likely, or more so, to be a "variant factory" than the naive?  Oh, well, I imagine CNN readers don't get much past the headline and first paragraph or two anyway.  Seems we still have a battle ahead of us....Aloha, Steve.

    EDIT: Remind me again- what exactly are we supposed to be afraid of here?  An easily survivable flu, or an untested, possibly dangerous experimental treatment?

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 2:27pm

    teacup

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    teacup said:

    I am not a scientist,  but Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche's hypothesis seems more logical to me.  When I saw the CNN article I had to laugh because,  of course they would .  Of course I would find it funnier if it werent so concerning.

    My non-scientist logic says, a virus doesn't have to work hard to infect a unvaccinated person... it does have to work hard and possibly change to infect a vaccinated person... when those vaccines dont stop infection, but limit severity of symptoms

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 4:21pm

    DennisC

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    "I want to talk about happy things, man,"

    Here's the deal.

    link

    Best wishes for the holiday and no malarkey.

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  • Sat, Jul 03, 2021 - 5:46pm

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    anglophile8 said:

    I just picked this comment up from Zero Hedge, what he says makes a lot of sense I wonder what Chris thinks?

    I have been trying to warn people about a very important issue in regards getting the jab, in the hope that it will at save lives, even one. If this man's sister had this information it is possible she would still be alive, for now at least.

    The issue is about correct injecting procedure. "Vaccines" are supposed to be injected into muscle, not the blood stream. To ensure this does not happen, once the needle is inserted, the plunger is supposed to be retracted slightly to make sure the needle has not ⁣penetrated a blood vessel. I have seen countless numbers of videos now, where this VERY IMPORTANT part of injecting has been completely ignored.

    This is why most people don't have serious health side effects immediately and why some end up dying within 1-4 days. The cases where people have died very shortly after, is no doubt due to the "vaccine" immediately entering the blood stream, which of course goes straight to the heart.

    This extremely important issue has not been mentioned once in the news as a public health warning. Because of the perceived "emergency" of the "pandemic" tens of thousands of "new" staff have no doubt been recruited to administer the jab, with the most basic of training.

    If you have friends or family that, despite your pleading for them not to, do decide to have the jab, then please ensure that they ensure that the correct procedure is followed.

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