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    The Coronavirus Pandemic Is Forcing Leaders To Decide: Save Lives Or The Economy?

    And the decision-making isn't pretty
    by Adam Taggart

    Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 12:11 PM

Governments around the world are struggling to answer: What’s the bigger priority, saving lives or the economy?

Lots of strong opinions on both sides and not lot a lot of agreement (yet).

China-style lockdowns are hard for most leaders to swallow, as they result in gut-wrentching economic losses, mass job layoffs, and supply shortages.

But keeping people at work or returning them too soon risks higher infection rates, likely overwhelming the health care system for *everyone*, likely resulting in a lot more avoidable deaths.

No matter the path chosen, reducing the rate of spread of the pandemic is something that benefits everyone.

In today’s video, Chris spends time highlighting a number of personal behaviors, treatment programs, and national policies that show promise on this front.

We all have our part to play in that great call to slow covid-19 in its tracks as best we can.

A helpful resource in doing this is PeakProsperty.com’ new free report: The Covid-19 Home Lockdown Survival Guide.

We’ve written this to be a comprehensive collection of the resources you need to stay safe, sane and solvent through the covid-19 crisis. And it’s a great tool for getting everyone in your household on the same page — print it out and have them read it.

Below are the hyperlinks mentioned in today’s video:

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 12:26pm

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    Ejohnson

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    Jenga

    Being on lockdown, we have plenty of time for games as a family. Jenga emerged as a rather apt analogy for what “management” is debating. Do we pull the hospital block out of the rickety tower? The economy block? The population block? Maybe if we hadn’t spent the last 11 years pulling all the other blocks out in the name of efficiency and profit, we’d have a better structure entering the crisis.

    Maybe we’ll play “Sorry” next. Metaphor.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 12:53pm

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    Steve

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    cell phone accounts disappearning in China?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-23/china-s-mobile-carriers-lose-15-million-users-as-virus-bites

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 1:40pm

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    kbmke

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    The Cell Phone Thing

    Not a big fan of the sensationalist nonsense suggesting that 21M people might have died because of people canceling part of their cell-phone plan due to being at home.  From the Bloomberg article:

    “Part of the drop could be caused by migrant workers — who often have one subscription for where they work and another for their home region — canceling their work-region account after the virus prevented them from returning to work after the Lunar New Year holidays that began in late January, said Chris Lane, an analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Co.

    Seems a bit more plausible than millions of dead people being hidden.  I don’t believe the China numbers either, but folks need to take off the tinfoil hats from time to time.

    Edit: Also, did all of these supposed dead people cancel their plans?  Verizon would gladly keep charging you if you were dead 🙂

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 2:44pm

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    Well Chris congratulations on all of your coverage of this issue. There isn’t anyone in the world as qualified with a background in both pathology and the economic aspects you have developed over the past decades. The world needs people like you.

    I was beginning to question if this system would ever end and wouldn’t you know it, the month after I go long the thing collapses… no major damage to ny portfolio though, I only lost a thousand bucks. And I never sold any of my tier 1 pet rocks.

    Lots of questions still and uncertainty about how the future will unfold but it looks like its gonna unfold fairly rapidly, and not for the better unfortunately.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 3:17pm

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    Carnivore heaven

    Right after the shelter in place orders were given all of the canned meat almost everywhere was sold out. Just today I noticed that Walmart has it back. This is inexpensive, decent quality and is only beef and sea salt. At just under 1,000 calories per can it’s been great. Again: $6.29 for 1,000 calories. Between my frozen food and this there has been no need to venture into the supermarkets at all during this pandemic. Great for prepping on a budget.

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Keystone-Ground-Beef-28-oz/23636965?selected=true

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 3:51pm

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    R A

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    How to disinfect groceries

    Living in very hard hit NJ. Grocery deliveries are hard to come by but going to the store is not an option. When groceries are delivered, how should they be disinfected? What PPE should be used and what type of cleaner/disinfectant is food safe?

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 4:48pm

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    Never mind...all sold out again

    I barely posted that after putting in my order. All sold out again just like that. See my link in post #5.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 5:21pm

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    nordicjack

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    Governor patrick/. Please go first - save the economy

    My bank account numbers is available,  to transfer your funds.  Please feel free to lead the way and save the economy.  You go first.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 5:27pm

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    nordicjack

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    Re Groceries in NJ

    I have actually, been quarantining groceries for several years because I have a 4 year old and i was careful when she was very young.      Just bring them in the home, let them sit 3 days for flu and about 5-9 days for coronavirus.    This works for dry goods..  Refrigerated goods got a wash down before placing in the refrig..   be careful of cross contamination when handling.

    I also have a ozone UV light and  UV-C light for dissinfection..  you just need to expose these for a bout 15 minutes under certain lights.. I wouldnt do it to produce and fresh foods.   but boxed , canned , etc.  you can.  You can also remove out packages and wraps and place in clean safe ones.. Have someone assist..  Just pay attention to cross contamination again.

    edit:  toast sliced breads,    or heat whole loaves or buy parcooked loaves.  Apples and hard fruits can be placed in clean bag and washed thoroughly before consumption,  Potatoes, placed in a clean bag as well – and wash and cook as usual,  carefully clean counters boards etc after preparing.

     

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 5:49pm

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    R A

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    Thank you so much! I am definitely on the right track as we have been doing a lot of what you suggested. One more question…what type of solution would be safe to use when disinfecting food? We were planning on using hydrogen peroxide  3%.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 6:05pm

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    singingblonde

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    UK taking new tack in COVID-19 response

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

    This appears similar to recent US change in response, as Americans ponder some returning to work in time for Easter.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 6:08pm

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    singingblonde

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    Rec'd in my email in box just this afternoon ...

    … a YouTube video by a doc outlining safe handling of groceries.  Enjoy!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps&feature=share

     

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 6:49pm

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    Consider A "Do Not Resuscitate" Order

    Might be the most heroic thing you can do.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/25/coronavirus-patients-do-not-resucitate/

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 7:18pm

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    News Headlines

    Simple news search using the words “coronavirus” and “hospitals”. Headlines that include “when all hell broke loose” from CNN and “Apocalyptic” from The New York Times  and “America’s Hospitals Have Never Experienced Anything Like This” from The Atlantic.

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 7:37pm

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    Czech Republic Mandates Public Face Mask Use

    Enlightened thinking by the government in the Czech Republic.

     

     

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  • Wed, Mar 25, 2020 - 7:43pm

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    RebelYell

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    New study

    Here’s the latest Chinese Study suggests IFR 0.12%, R0 of 5.

    A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19

    Posting the info – but won’t be getting into any debates.

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 3:57am

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    French connexion

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    from France

    In spite of French success in finding a remedy – the HEATH SYSTEM is doing its level best to not use the hydoxy-chloroquine remedy. Here is the debate in French  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHeT-6zEMuo&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1wHGAgkXoQkVIR6ViNkwQIK5UDMgP2wBgE6Vu0NAc3vymBMeQG52IN1RY

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 4:41am

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    I Don’t speak much French.

    Can you please translate the main ideas. I heard the word “dangerous”….Is that the objection?

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 5:43am

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    Credenda

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    Maybe because it was mentioned by Trump so it must be false since Orange Man Bad.

    i didn’t hear zinc mentioned but my French isn’t up to speed.

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 7:04am

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    Want to buy gold coins or bars? Good luck finding any

    Want to buy gold coins or bars? Good luck finding any

    The strain on supply, due to a lack of transport and processing capacity, has been exacerbated by a surge in demand, as investors rush to buy the safe-haven asset amid the global economic and financial market turmoil…….

    The difference between spot and futures prices was around $25 on Thursday, suggesting that the market is still struggling to function.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/investing/gold-demand-supply-coronavirus/index.html

     

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 11:29am

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    nordicjack

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    Very Concerned about misinformation starting again

    I am really seeing a lot of misinformation, like the examples in the video , published by medical officials, that are saying this is way blown out of proportion, and this kills less than the flu.  These reports are really scaring me, because , I know if they succeed in convincing the public – that not only will we have a lot more death, but it will crash the economy much further and it will end in civil unrest.   I did prepare for this – but this would be a worse case.

    Meanwhile there are some drs, usually those on the front line, publishing the truth  – if you look at NY the anecdotal evidence, is not in line with the pro economy propoganda machine..  There are also writers in the NYT that address this honestly, and science writers like ed yong, of the atlantic do much more justice – than a bunch of drs with supposition and conjecture.

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 11:47am

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    Hi  I am new – it is dinner time. So brief reply, dangerous in the sense that the people against popular use agrue that it is toxic if taken in exagerrated doses – like anything.

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 12:15pm

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    nordicjack

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    Rebel, dont want to debate - but WTF

    I do not want to debate anything, but when people are telling me this is nothing more fatal the flu- but I am seeing anecdotal evidence to suggest far from that.  Perhaps you should go visit NYC.

    You threw a high R0 but low CFR/IFR of .12     is that .12% o .12   which is 12%?

    As , my reading the study, a crude CFR was 4.3% CFR of infection rate.  and 12.3 % after time delay of lag deaths from a infection point adjusted.

    And from here we can talk about missed cases or undiagnosed.  I am sure there were some.  But they were going door-to-door sweeps in wuhan.   and said they tested 10 million there.

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 12:46pm

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    Bad move by Canada feds

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cmhc-mortgage-program-1.5510802

    Transferring bank held mortgages to a taxpayer funded agency…. again……..

    One way or another, we the people, everywhere across the globe, are going to (continue) to pay for all these bailouts and spending programs. The wealth transfer programs are alive and well 🙁

    Jan

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 1:08pm

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    French connexion

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    Just to add that the doctor interviewed is defending the cause that hydroxy-chloroquine is not dangerous – that it is prescribed to millions of travellers (voyageurs) going to Africa – people “en bonne santé” healthy, with very few side effects. That this medication is given to sick patients seems to create a “polémique” – political debate so be it. He credits the work done by the Chinese in vitro – they wanted to see if in reality it would work. They added an anti-bacterial drug to avoid lung infection, and the choice of the drug was deliberate because of the drug’s anti-viral anti-virus properties. Afterwards he talks about AIDS, noone gets over aids – but one uses a 3 drug therapy which lowers the “charge” viral load to the point where it is no longer detectable. Here ypou have the first three minutes. What is interesting to see is how the MSM interviewer goes from towing the line against the treatment – then the tanned old fart defending that “we should wait 8 weeks for trial results from the different regions.” To the interviewer saying – what about all the unnecessary deaths in the mean time.

    I was hoping that this would interest Chris.

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 1:31pm

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    French connexion

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    Hello again. In listening to the interview a second time (repeatedly). I heard the doctor mention their site which will be publishing all of their data.

    https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/en/

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  • Thu, Mar 26, 2020 - 1:53pm

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    Misinformation and gaslighting

    The Art of Gaslighting

     

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 9:52am

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    French connexion

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    Please speak out

    I had hoped that the French government had changed their attitude, but no, you can only get the cheap and tested virus cure if you are sick enough to be in the hospital. And even then? The Truth will out (Merchant of Venice).  https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-why-france-hiding-cheap-and-tested-virus-cure

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 10:33am

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    testing everyone in Iceland

    Iceland is testing everyone – not quite at random, but anyone who wants a test can get one.  Turns out, there are a lot of infected, asymptomatic people out there.

    11,727 people tested, 737 positive.  15 are in hospital, with 2 in ICU.

    So with that ratio of positive-to-hospital-to-ICU, it seems like an 2.3% “serious case” ratio (hospitalization-to-infection ratio).  This would seem to suggest there are – probably – a lot more infected people in the US than we realize.

    It also supports the supposition that the CFR is probably overstated, since we only test sick people – by design.

    https://fortune.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-testing-us-iceland-cdc-trump-decode-covid-19-tests/

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 10:37am

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    CDC "severe outcomes" for COVID-19 Weekly Mortality Report

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

    Summary for busy executives:

    This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.

    In Table Form:

    • 85+: 10-27%
    • 65-84: 3-11%
    • 55-65: 1-3%
    • 20-54: < 1%
    • 19-: none

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 10:55am

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    economy vs people

    Save lives or the economy?  Clinton’s campaign slogan says it perfectly:  “It’s the economy stupid”

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 11:03am

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    making a fortune off COVID-19

    Here’s an article from Motley Fool trying to assess the potential for Gilead Sciences to make a fortune on potential COVID-cure Remdesivir.

    Forecast price tag – in China – $260.  Per person.  Multiply by half the world population.  Its a big freaking number.  This might explain the resistance (in some circles) to the substantially cheaper Hydroxychloroquine.

    How much influence will the prospect of $7.80 trillion in revenues buy you?  (Thats $260 x 3 billion people).  I’m sure it gets you the entire CCP plus the WHO, just as a downpayment.

    “Oh my gosh HCQ is DANGEROUS!!!  It kills people!  Trump likes it!  Run!  Hide!”

    https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/09/will-gilead-sciences-make-a-fortune-off-its-corona.aspx

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 11:08am

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    Big Picture Questions

    The following video is admittedly long but if you start around the 30 minute mark its worth listening to.  In my opinion, Dr. Shiva Ayyaduari makes many good points about the Big Pharma / Govt push for Vaccines and the covid-19 virus.

    We live in a world of massive fraud and manipulation.  The financial services industry is but one area where false narratives are constantly pushed to influence the dumb masses (us). Not for the good of society, but for their own gain (in terms of power and money). I assume most people on this blog recognize it in the financial side, but this virus and the governments ultimate response is being leveraged for powers sake, not public health per se. Please take the time to at least watch from the 30 minute mark.

    Lastlt, I’m not saying the corona virus is something we should ignore.  Its a significant health risk. But I’m beginning to realize that the last thing many in the govt and big pharma want is a simple cost effective 95% solution like hydroxychloroquinine and z-pack.

    They want us to continue to slip down the slope of ever more government and big healthcare / big pharma control of our lives and health. The whole digital currency being part of the relief package along with the DOJ asking for ability to detain any and all Americans indefinitely should be a major red flag for all of us.

    The virus is temporary….what they legislate could remain with us for years

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 12:14pm

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    Research in Brussels - about 8% of people asymptomatic, infected with Covid but not aware

    Here in Belgium the Brussels University Hospital is testing every not-ill visitor who comes in with a CT scan of the lungs, in the article below they just started and had 10% of asymptomatic covid-cases detected (people had affected lung tissue but had no symptoms or complaints.) Today we had an update, appears that untill now they had 8 % of unaware visitors infected with covid. If this would be the case in the whole of Belgium we would have about 1 million people who are asymptomatic at this point.

    https:/https://www.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/van-ranst-10-procent-van-de-belgen-besmet-met-coronavirus-zonder-dat-zelf-te-weten~aa4c30fe/

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 12:19pm

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    Age Based Employment Discrimination Coming

    This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.

    When the economy starts hiring again, who do you think businesses will want to hire first? Not going to be an old fart like me.

     

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 1:36pm

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    Money changers...

    Early in the year 1789 the French nation found
    itself in deep financial embarrassment: there was a
    heavy debt and a serious deficit.

    “These assignats, bearing interest as they do, will
    soon be considered better than the coin now hoarded,
    and will bring it out again into circulation.” The king
    was also induced to issue a proclamation
    recommending that his people receive this new money
    without objection.

    The first result of this issue was apparently all that
    the most sanguine could desire: the treasury was at
    once greatly relieved; a portion of the public debt was
    paid; creditors were encouraged; credit revived;
    ordinary expenses were met, and, a considerable part
    of this paper money having thus been passed from the
    government into the hands of the people, trade
    increased and all difficulties seemed to vanish.

    In vain did Maury show that, while the first issues
    of John Law’s paper had brought prosperity, those that
    followed brought misery

    France was now fully committed to a policy of
    inflation; and, if there had been any question of this
    before, all doubts were removed now by various acts
    very significant as showing the exceeding difficulty of
    stopping a nation once in the full tide of a depreciating
    currency

    Immediately after each new issue came a marked depreciation.

    Still another troublesome fact began now to
    appear. Though paper money had increased in
    amount, prosperity had steadily diminished.

    From this was developed an even more
    disgraceful result,—the decay of a true sense of
    national good faith.

    but the most
    curious thing evolved out of all this chaos was a new
    system of political economy. In speeches, newspapers
    and pamphlets about this time, we begin to find it
    declared that, after all, a depreciated currency is a
    blessing; that gold and silver form an unsatisfactory
    standard for measuring values:

    By this the prices of everything were again enhanced
    save one thing, and that one thing was labor. Strange
    as it may at first appear, while the depreciation of the
    currency had raised all products enormously in price,
    the stoppage of so many manufactories and the
    withdrawal of capital caused wages in the summer of
    1792, after all the inflation, to be as small as they had
    been four years before—viz., fifteen sous per day.

    The result outside the
    Convention was increased activity of the guillotine; the
    results inside were new measures against all who had
    money

    As far back as November,
    1792, the Terrorist associate of Robespierre, St. Just, in
    view of the steady rise in prices of the necessaries of
    life, had proposed a scheme by which these prices
    should be established by law, at a rate proportionate to
    the wages of the working classes.

    But it was found that the Maximum, with its
    divinely revealed four rules, could not be made to work
    well—even by the shrewdest devices. In the greater
    part of France it could not be enforced. As to
    merchandise of foreign origin or merchandise into
    which any foreign product entered, the war had raised
    it far above the price allowed under the first rule,
    namely, the price of 1790, with an addition of onethird.
    Shopkeepers therefore could not sell such goods
    without ruin. The result was that very many went out
    of business and the remainder forced buyers to pay
    enormous charges under the very natural excuse that
    the seller risked his life in trading at all.

    Month after month, year after year new issues
    went on. Meanwhile everything possible was done to
    keep up the value of paper.

    The luxury and extravagance of the currency
    gamblers and their families form one of the most
    significant features in any picture of the social
    condition of that period.

    Out of the inflation of
    prices grew a speculating class; and, in the complete
    uncertainty as to the future, all business became a
    game of chance, and all business men, gamblers.

    It ended in the complete financial, moral and
    political prostration of France-a prostration from
    which only a Napoleon could raise it.

     

    Fiat Money Inflation in France by Andrew Dickson White

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 2:28pm

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    pawch

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    Big Picture Questions

    Hi Lightning17,

    Great video. Thank you for posting it.

    Hope nobody calls you a troll for looking beyond the COVID 19 crisis to the much greater evil that lurks. But they might still call you a “slow adjuster”.

    Mr. COVID has center stage right now but is beginning to look to his left. The 800 pound gorilla in the room, Mr. DEBT, is now standing and moving toward the stage.

    The Shiva interview was a breath of fresh air.

    I have my own strategy for COVID 19

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/covid-news-you-can-use/

    But I have been preparing for what’s soon to follow for a dozen years now. Thank you Mike Maloney!

    I shared my thinking, which aligns closely with Dr. Shiva’s, in a free 20000 word book, From Freedom to Fascism, under a pseudonym (not as brave as the candidate).

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/from-freedom-to-fascism-skip-sparks/1130048697

    Just read the Addendum that Amazon edited out. ? too close to what will actually transpire?

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 7:59pm

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    TurquoiseRose

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    Dr . Zhao's material

    Here is a CCTV interview about Dr. Zhao
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x6DjRYnmJhsOI35WQmvkag3pVpt0VOt2/view?usp=sharing
    Here is “Diagnosis and Treatment Protocol for COVID-19” 7th edition
    by National Health Commission of China
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1faYLhQxS0dEV2HVcigwxL531tSYCJpOv/view?usp=sharing

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 8:37pm

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    ao

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    dtrammel, you may be wrong

    Old farts like you and me have a work ethic.  I’ve talked to many small business owners in my community and in my travels in recent years.  To a person, they all complain about the poor work ethic of the majority of the young.  They claim they don’t show up for work, they show up late, they leave early, they quit at the drop of the hat with no notice, they don’t want to work more than 30 hours per week, they can’t pass drug tests, and on and on.  These employers are looking for reliable, hard working employees who understand the concept of a days work for a days wages.  From seeing how hard you’ve worked on this site, I’d say they’d be looking for folks like you.

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 11:01pm

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    Sparky1

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    Yes, dtrammel works hard, and so do a lot of younger people

    AO, I agree that dtrammel works hard and exhibits a great work ethic regardless of his youth and “retirement” status. And I agree with dtrammel that the coronavirus stats may introduce more bias/age discrimination against older workers.

    IMO, a lot of young people work hard and exhibit great work ethics as well.

    All three of my adult children are under age 30. One is a manager in food service (small owner-operated business) and has had “work ethic” difficulties with only a few of her high school age employees. They were let go, sending a clear message and standard regarding employer expectations. The other workers are very dependable, eager to work and are in college or working another job. Business has slowed considerably and they’ve modified service for take-out only. She volunteered to take the next few weeks off (she’s self-isolating) and allowed others to who opted to work to take her shifts. This is a financial hardship for her, but she (and I) felt this was prudent. She’s finishing her last undergraduate semester, now on-line. Understandably but sadly, official graduation ceremonies are on-hold until a future date given pandemic concerns.

    My eldest son is probably the youngest employee in his outfit, which requires teams to go into sites for surveys, assessments and such-which requires canvassing different terrains on foot sometimes in remote areas or construction sites. Invariably he is the one doing the most rigorous work as several of the age 40+ workers are physically out of shape. A few older workers have not kept-up with their professional training so he sometimes needs to  compensate (diplomatically) for their gaps in knowledge on behalf of the team. He strives to learn whatever he can from all his co-workers regardless of age, education or job title.

    My middle son works in a big box store nearly fulltime in addition to going to college fulltime (now all on-line due to the lockdown). He continues to add to his skillsets and credentials through whatever training is offered by his company.  He tells me his store is packed with shoppers on some days despite the pandemic restrictions. He does his best to minimize risk, but not everyone (customers and workers) are as careful.

    All three of my children are among the thousands of workers that are paid less and work hard–sometimes harder–than many of their middle-age and older counterparts.

    Thousands of these younger people are now serving on the frontlines of the pandemic. Most are minimum-wage hourly or “gig” workers in/from stores, gas stations, and other “essential” businesses and services. The home delivery workers provide a lifeline of support to vulnerable self-isolating citizens and others at home, whether voluntarily or not.

    While I haven’t traveled widely and interviewed small business owners regarding their experiences and perceptions of younger workers and their work ethic (or lack thereof), my experience in interviewing and supervising 72 college-age workers annually gave me quite a different perspective than yours. I found that, with three notable exceptions, these were very reliable, conscientious and hard working employees with a tremendous work ethic. Many exceeded expectations and requirements, putting in more than “a day’s work for a day’s wages.”

    Given the pandemic, it is clear that thousands of hourly and gig workers are not being paid or rewarded commensurate to their level of effort, risk and contribution to society and the economy.

    So tip them well and provide gloves, sanitizer or even masks to you can spare one as appreciation for their service during this crisis.

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  • Sat, Mar 28, 2020 - 11:29pm

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    Sparky1

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    Instacart workers planned strike next week, retail workers (video)

    Instacart shoppers plan strike over treatment during pandemic

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28/tech/instacart-planned-strike/index.html

    (Embedded video of retail store employee interviews features adults of all ages.)

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