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    The Coronavirus Is Swiftly Breaching Defenses Across The World

    Things are now starting to get fast and furious
    by Adam Taggart

    Sunday, February 23, 2020, 7:48 PM

Things are now starting to get fast and furious.

Outside of China, covid-19 is swiftly breaching defense lines all over the world.

Italy is suddenly in big trouble — with the military being called in to enforce city quarantines.  Iran, South Korea & Japan similarly find themselves overwhelmed as new cases continue to spread unabated.

And there are many other countries (including the US) whose low reported numbers just don’t appear believable at this point. We may soon find out that there are many more infections worldwide than are currently understood.

As China, Italy, South Korea and a growing list of other countries are showing us, outbreaks can happen extremely fast, slamming the door shut on your window to prepare.

Which is why taking action now is critical — because a government lockdown will likely catch you by surprise (e.g., armed troops, empty store shelves). After the moment it’s implemented, you will have to make do with whatever measures you managed to put in place beforehand.

Meanwhile, we’re starting to be able to quantify the damage of the current shutdown of China’s economy. China is responsible for nearly 30% of world’s manufacturing, and it’s estimated that at this point global trade will take a hit of nearly $600 billion.

And it gets worse. Millions of Chinese firms are at risk of going bankrupt from lack of cash flow — a national bailout by China’s banks is likely needed to keep a huge part of its industry from vaporizing.  And on the social front, we’re hearing stories of families giving up babies they can no longer afford, as folks are becoming homeless due to lack of income.

This pain is a likely preview of what’s to come when other countries get hard-hit by this virus.

This is why the downplaying to-date of the coronavirus by world authorities has been so dangerous. The risk is real and the costs are high. The masses should be preparing now.

But until they are, we need to be ahead of the curve.

Which is why Chris and I continue to accelerate our home preps. He explains why in his new report Why I’m Ramping Up My Coronavirus Preparations, available to Peak Prosperity’s premium subscribers.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 7:59pm

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    Alexis

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    Link: ADE in coronavirus studied 12/2019 by Wuhan!

    https://jvi.asm.org/content/94/5/e02015-19

    forgot to post link in my previous comment and it won’t lower me add it on the other blog now! Sorry for duplication if it’s posting and I can’t see it. This is very significant of the work they were doing in Wuhan!

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 8:05pm

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    IV Vitamin therapy as anti-viral can be used in USA hospitals and elsewhere

     
    Hospital-based Intravenous Vitamin C Treatment
    for Coronavirus and Related Illnesses

    by Andrew W. Saul and Atsuo Yanagisawa, MD, PhD

    (OMNS February 2, 2020) No matter which hospital a coronavirus patient may seek help from, the question is, Will they be able to leave walking out the front door, or end up being wheeled out the basement backdoor? Prompt administration of intravenous vitamin C, in high doses, can make the difference.

    Abundant clinical evidence confirms vitamin C's effectiveness when used in sufficient quantity. [1]

    Physicians have demonstrated the powerful antiviral action of vitamin C for decades. [2]

    Specific instructions for intravenous vitamin C

    The Japanese College of Intravenous Therapy (JCIT) recommends intravenous vitamin C (IVC) 12.5/25g (12,500 - 25,000 mg) for acute viral infections (influenza, herpes zoster, common cold, rubella, mumps, etc.) and virus mimetic infections (idiopathic sudden hearing loss, Bell's palsy). In adults, IVC 12.5g is given for early stage illness with mild symptoms, and IVC 25g for moderate to severe symptoms. IVC is usually administered once or twice a day for 2-5 continuous days, along with or without general treatments for viral infections.

    IVC 12.5g cocktail

    Sterile water
    125 mL

    50% Vitamin C
    25 mL (12. 5g)

    0.5M Magnesium sulfate
    10 mL

    Add Vitamin B complex

    Drip for 30-40 min

    IVC 25g cocktail

    Sterile water
    250 mL

    50% Vitamin C
    50 mL (25g)

    0.5M Magnesium sulfate
    20 mL

    Add Vitamin B complex

    Drip for 40-60 min

    Patients with acute viral infections show a depletion of vitamin C and increasing free radicals and cellular dysfunction. Such patients should be treated with vitamin C, oral or IV, for neutralizing free radicals throughout the body and inside cells, maintaining physiological functions, and enhancing natural healing. If patients progress to sepsis, vitamin C should be added intravenously as soon as possible along with conventional therapy for sepsis.  Rest of the article at:

    http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 9:08pm

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    Desogames

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    Loss

    As i posted on youtube under the video, start preparing yourself for loss. This will be just as vital as preparing yourself to not get infected or to try and save friends.

    Because the cold hard truth is you cannot save everybody. Today was supposed to be a relaxing day for me but i spent it screaming at an Italian friend who "didn't wanna think about it because she had other things going on" to drop said other things. And she lives very close to the quarantine area (but isn't in it yet).

    And this is one of my closest friends. So you need to prepare yourself, especially in this day and age of online friendships where you can't possibly help somebody when shit hits the fan.

    One day you're going to log in, and somebody dear to you lost somebody dear to them. or one of your friends is feeling a bit ill, says he's going to the hospital, you never see him again. They, or you, are going to feel helpless, powerless, and completely distraught. It's one thing to lose family; but another to lose family in an ongoing calamity that might and will claim more people.

    And you need to be prepared. Just like the virus moves in phases, preparation happens in phases. The "Material" phase is almost over. When everybody panics, whatever you wanted to buy needs to have been bought. But then, the "Mental" phase begins.

    Expect loss. Expect fuck ups. Expect being completely prepared to survive a lock down and then having to travel to save a friend who was totally unprepared. Expect to abandon people; you will not be able to save every one or protect everyone. Even people who are near and dear to you might pull you down with them, much like a panicking drowning person.

    We've all seen the movies where people are running for the escape hatch but the "hero" of the story needs to close it or they all die. That will happen to you in real life. You can only buy so much stuff, and at some point, you will have to make the hard call; who do you save? Who can you save?

    Ask yourself these hard questions now. Think about them. That's all the preparation you need. The only difference between a hero and a helpless bystander in those movies is the hero has contemplated loss early and was capable of making the hard call when it was time. The others just freeze like deer in headlights, not capable of giving up life, but not capable of protecting it either.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 9:11pm

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    ADE for MERS v Dengue

    Hi Alexis,

    Great post. Thank you for the link.

    In the discussion under "Antibody dosages for antibody-dependent enhancement of coronavirus entry." the Mersmab1 concentrations and their effect on viral entry fits perfectly with ADE in dengue. In Dr. Martenson's video on this he referred to the work of Eva Harris on ADE in dengue evolving to dengue shock syndrome as occurring only when monoclonal antibody titers are low. Her article states >1:20 and < or = 1:80.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 9:51pm

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    US Emergency Legal Responses to Novel Coronavirus

    US Emergency Legal Responses to Novel Coronavirus - Balancing Public Health and Civil Liberties (Lawrence O. Gostin, JD1; James G. Hodge Jr, JD, LLM2)

    "The federal Public Health Services Act authorizes the CDC to detain, medically examine, and quarantine persons traveling into the US or between states suspected of carrying specific communicable diseases.7 For decades, the CDC’s direct use of its powers lied dormant. In 2017, however, the CDC expanded its powers coupled with modest due process safeguards.8 Its rule stressed interjurisdictional coordination, recognizing the primary public health powers of states and the availability of medical isolation facilities.

    Under the rule, CDC agents can initially apprehend persons suspected or known to be infected with specified communicable diseases for up to 72 hours. Medical testing, consensual treatment, modes of communication, and other accommodations must be offered at the government’s expense (unless health insurers are obligated to pay).8

    Following initial apprehension, the CDC can quarantine suspected cases or isolate infected persons pursuant to due process protections, including access to independent medical experts, legal counsel, and outside witnesses. CDC agents must also determine whether less-restrictive alternatives to separation and confinement are available. Although meaningful, these due process measures are constitutionally insufficient. The Supreme Court requires “clear and convincing” evidence (not reasonable beliefs) for civil confinements, with the right to appeal to independent tribunals.8 Under the CDC’s rule, individual appeals are handled through internal agency reviews although anyone deprived of liberty has the right to petition courts for habeas corpus."

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 10:16pm

    Alexis

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    Interesting!

    Interesting point on the antibody numbers pawch. This article was very technical and I read it right after listening to Guo news of biological weapon lol. I may over over perceived the importance of the article. Lol. But it does make me wonder about the timing and what they are working on. Maybe this was just a really unfortunate accident while they were working on a vaccine for SARS/MERS or other coronavirus. Sad, speculation makes us humans think the negative aspect and maybe they were trying to find a cure and it accidentally got out.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 10:25pm

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    The Thanks Go To This Great Community of People

    Sparky1 messaged me and said "You're famous!"

    It wasn't until I watched the latest video I saw what Sparky meant. Thank you Chris for mentioning my work here in the recent video but I have to say its praise unearned in my mind.

    Complimenting me for compiling all the comments here is like praising the Librarian for all the great books in the library. I'm not the one who should be given a pat on the back, its each and every one of you who post a comment, add some bit of information or especially took something that is complicated and makes it simple for the rest of us to understand.

    I would have never thought a few months back that I could argue with a good friend who is a skilled RN over the subjects of the immune system, medicinal protocols and treatment regimes and have her say "Ok, maybe I need to do some more research, you might be right."

    And that's all because of this community that I have faith my family and I can get though this.

    Thank each and every one of you.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 10:29pm

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    Magnesium sulfate

    Thanks Alexis for that. I wonder what purpose the Magnesium sulfate was for? I can understand the Vitamin C, but such a tiny percentage of that additive makes me wonder if its not for health reasons but something else. (Thinks of a lubricant or something?)

     

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 10:40pm

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    Dog's Feet

    Was reading this

    https://www.rob-burton.co.uk/single-post/2020/02/22/Prepping-in-the-time-of-the-virus-%E2%80%93-sweating-the-small-stuff?

    Fascinating observations from within the hot zone in China. One thing jumped out. Your dog's feet.

    If you have a dog and are in an urban environment, when you walk them and bring them back, disinfect their feet. I'd also not let them lick you. they stick their noses to the ground.

    This won't be an issue in suburbs where they sniff in grass or fields, but if you are in a city environment, of concrete and asphalt, then its possible they have walked over the infected germs of someone earlier. Don't let them bring it into your home, or onto your bed.

    I wouldn't use bleach but instead maybe hydrogen peroxide with a water rinse. Don't scrimp, let it linger for a bit to allow it to kill the enzyme coating of the virus and then it. Too many people spray a disinfectant, like Lysol onto a surface and then immediately wipe it off. The bottle recommends 10 minutes of soak.

    Take care your animals don't harm you, so if you die, they won't be left alone. Also make plans for and arrange people who will take care of your pets should you become ill. Animals are dieing in China because their owners fall sick, get hospitalized and no one knows they are stuck in an apartment all alone and hungry. Starvation is an ugly death.

    If the authorities are spraying the sidewalks and streets with chemicals, then pick up your pets when out so they don't get them on their skin and their feet. Be careful they don't eat off the street or park as well. Watch what they put in their mouths. If they need meds, stock up. If you need a vet, plan ahead and see who is open. Your regular vet may close and leave you not option in an emergency.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 10:51pm

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    Epsom Salt

    dtrammel,

    I'm not sure what the purpose of magnesium sulfate in the IV vitamin C drip, but magnesium sulfate is commonly known as epsom salt.

    Grover

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:15pm

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    Big trouble

    Be safe and healthy for life or just pack your self to another places by using packers and movers in lingampally

    packers and movers in kondapur

    packers and movers in madhapur

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:17pm

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    Nice one...

    right....Slimming clinics in Hyderabad

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:26pm

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    NightsWatch said:

    The Emergency Powers yielded by the United States government -more specifically the President- are rather expansive. Some examples:

    - United States troops are normally prohibited from operating on United States soil, however, under certain circumstances they can be. Such circumstances could include a WMD (which COVID-19 could fall into should this spiral out of control within the US)

    - During periods in which social unrest becomes insurmountable for local law enforcement entities.

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  • Sun, Feb 23, 2020 - 11:37pm

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    US Emergency Legal Response vs. Individual Legal Rights and Responsibilities

    Time2help, thanks for your informative and thought provoking post and article. They made me realize I know almost nothing about my personal legal rights, and those of my loved ones when it comes to a public health emergency.

    There are so many potential actors, policies and laws (e.g., federal, state, local public health or emergency/law enforcement) that may come into play, some of which are ambiguous as to which takes precedence and under what circumstances.

    As a recent example, we saw this play out between the State Dept. and the CDC in transporting diagnosed infected passengers with the non-infected passengers of the Diamond Princess ship. The State Dept. over ruled the CDC, but what of the passengers' rights?  What rights to travelers have on planes, trains and ships under a public health emergency? What rights do citizens have in their homes and communities during public heath emergencies?

    I recall SandPuppy raised the question some time ago to the effect of, "Are you ready to be quarantined?" Well, yes, no, and it depends.

    I've been focusing primarily on the practical aspects of staying heathy and prepping for coronavirus infection avoidance and prevention in public and private settings; and management in a home environment under voluntary or "forced" quarantine.

    But what about away from home restrictions of movement (e.g., barred from returning home or going to specific locations) or freedom (e.g., being involuntary detained, subject to testing and/or placed under individual or group quarantine)?

    We've all watched and read accounts of lax, moderate and draconian restrictive measures in China and now in several countries. Some countries are conducting raids, blocking off roadways and transportation routes, picking off suspected infected from streets or removing them from their homes, instituting programs using anonymous tipsters or recognition and surveillance technology, separating families for forced quarantine and medical treatment.

    Voluntary and forced quarantines are already underway here is the US; to what extent is still largely unknown. It is a near certainty that increased restrictions will be imposed soon as this new coronavirus pandemic spreads across the US.

    It would be really helpful if we had general information and a concise cheat sheet of citizens' (and health care workers') rights and responsibilities under public health emergencies. I'm sure there would be some state and even local variation. Still, having some basic information would be very useful and timely.

    It would be great if Chris could do a PP podcast interview of an appropriate like-minded content expert on the legal (and maybe ethical) aspects of public health emergencies.

    I'm sure it would prompt some lively discussion and valuable information-gathering among our PP community.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 12:15am

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    Pandemic Burnout

    Wow, has it just been 4 weeks since this started?

    Right now, my latest foster cat is at my feet, looking up and wanting to get on my lap so she can be petted. She came to me out of a police raid in the southern part of my state. Officers found this little tiny cat and thru a local shelter, she ended up with me.

    She doesn't know anything about Covid or the chaos that will soon come.

    cameo

    She knows that in my house there are soft places to sleep on, that the Sun shines on for hours. She knows she gets tasty food on a regular basis, mostly treats in the morning and wet food at night, with dry food all day. She sometimes gets things to play with, little foam balls to chase and boot laces to try and grab. In the morning she gets to sit in the front door and watch as the birds get feed. She knows in the afternoon there is this great big queen size place that is soft (2 blankets, a comforter, another blanket, and a sleeping bag) that she can sleep on, though she has to share it with 3 other cats who also live in my house.

    I know that someday someone will see her in my FB feed or our shelter's website and fall in love with her. They will come and take her from me, then give her a fur-ever home and if I'm lucky they will send me pictures of her. I hope she remembers me.

    She doesn't know anything about Covid or the chaos that will soon come.

    Sometimes we as humans get so wrapped up in a subject we forget what is important. We lose perspective and need to be reminded that the immediate isn't the eternal.

    I want to commend the community here for getting important information to everyone on just how serious this crisis is BUT I also want to ask each and everyone of you to step back and take a day off. If you have been following the situation here on Peak Prosperity, you are way ahead of the public. You are probably prepared better than 99% of those in the World.

    Don't let your concern for the Future, ruin your Present.

    I'm going to take tomorrow off. Maybe go have a pizza or visit St Louis' new aquarium. Soon I may not be able to do that. Savor what we have now. It may not be there tomorrow.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 1:10am

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    NightsWatch said:

    The Emergency Powers reserved to the United States government are rather vast, however, if you want a quick cheat sheet, I will do my best to provide one. The following are all based upon the Declaration of a National Emergency.

    1) The Secretary of Health can authorize the use of unapproved drugs/medications in times of national crisis due to pandemics, biological &/or nuclear warfare.

    2) The President may use the Public Health Agency essentially at his or her discretion in a matter such that he or she deems within the public interest.

    3) The Government may dispose of medical waste into the ocean 50 nautical miles or more away from land.

    4) The President may authorize a substantial amount of funding to certain contractors in order to increase the production and/or speed of certain supplies deemed necessary in relation to the declared emergency.

    5) The Secretary of the Army/Navy may authorize transportation for private citizens for work relating to the emergency.

    6) The President may appoint civilians to qualified officer positions within the United States Military. This is a temporary assignment.

    7) Domestic transportation can be coordinated in accordance with the needs of the declared emergency

    8) The President has broad powers to impose statutes which allow for the creation, maintenance and/or expansion of domestic industrial capabilities. In other words, the President may direct nearly anything he or she feels is necessary to maintain domestic production (whether it be industrial, medical, etc) of essential goods/technologies.

    9) The President may alter federal pay to federal employees during times of crisis.

    10) The President has the right to authorize varying governmental agencies to guarantee loans which are authorized through private banking entities. In other words, the President can authorize that certain Federal government agencies promise to repay private sector loans should a citizen default. This is normally done to spur the economy and restart the flow of credit following a severe economic downturn or during an emergency when the economy has ground to a halt.

    11) For medical supplies, an emergency declaration (specific to health - which has been issued already for COVID-19) allows for emergency distributions of PPE, the extension of expiration dates and the loosening of certain storage restrictions for certain pharmacology agents (Ie medications). The CDC is in charge of such rules (for the most part).

    12)  In the event of significant social break down/unrest, the President may utilize National Guard and/or regular duty military personnel to restore order. He or she may also utilize such personnel in the event of an overwhelming event such as a WMD (which COVID-19 could theoretically fall under as man made or not, it is a rather deadly biological agent). These personnel -under strict guidelines- could also be used as domestic law enforcement.

    13) The Surgeon General -under the authority of the Secretary of Health- may make any regulation he or she feels is necessary to prevent the spread of a communicable disease.  This applies to international transmission as well as interstate transmission.

    14) The Surgeon general has broad and sweeping powers to disinfect -in any manner he or she sees fit- intimate objects and animals. This includes what has been seen in china (spraying the disinfectant from vehicles), the mass culling of certain animals and more.

    15) An individual may be apprehended and examined if it is suspected that he or she is potentially infected with a communicable & qualifying disease and that he or she is attempting to move between states or may infect persons who are attempting to move between states (between states is necessary as it creates a federal jurisdiction vs state)

    16) If an individual is found to be infected, he or she may be held the necessary amount of time to prevent transmission.

    17) The Surgeon General -under the authority of the President and Secretary of the HHS- may block entry of persons and/or goods from a foreign country for such a time as deemed necessary

    18) Those who violate a federal quarantine may be fined

    These are some, but not nearly all of the legislation penned in regard to National Emergency Declarations. The overarching point is that the United States government and President have broad and sweeping powers which are designed to contain and mitigate national emergencies. The truth is that if the United States were to experience what has taken place in Wuhan or Iran, then the powers allocated the President would be exceedingly broad and due to the precedent of ever expanding powers with every emergency, I would expect that the outcome would yield an even further extension of the powers granted the government and President during times of true crisis.

    https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/public-health-chart.aspx

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/98-505.pdf

    http://giveanhour.org/wp-content/uploads/Guard-Status-9.27.18.pdf

    (While these are some of the sources which I consulted, it should be noted that I hold a MS in Homeland Security and Emergency Management and thus some of the information provided has been derived from said schooling)

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 1:18am

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    Purrova LoV

    Careful, that cat looks like she has a case of Feline Purrova. She could be dangerous!

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 1:39am

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    very true, dtrammel

    Prague, Czech Rep - One thing I have tried to avoid doing is worrying about this in the evenings, when I can't actually do anything about it.  During the day while at work, I can get supplies/various bits 'n' bobs and at least quell some of the concern by these actions, but as I can't do anything once I'm at home, I've decided to block it out so that I can get the best night's kip that I can.  Which is important in and of itself.  I watch Chris's videos during my lunch hour and try to keep up to date on the latest developments throughout the day, but once I get home, that's it.

    This morning I disinfected my workstation, seemingly breaking my own keyboard in the process (yes, it wasn't yet turned on when I did it!) and have stepped up my own use of hand sanitiser, now using it once departing from any means of public transport.  Over the weekend I strongly considered starting to wear my mask but, again, with 0 confirmed cases here, it is sill hard to justify.

    I remain prepared for the inevitability of a lockdown, which will certainly be no fun for anyone but my preparations have been reasonable and we'd certainly be better off than the vast majority of other city dwellers if/when it does come.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 3:27am

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    In NZ, our healthcare system is already stretched

    Hi all, I'm new here, but not new to prepping. There's always something to learn though!

    I live in a small city in New Zealand, and have some inside info on our local public hospital. Today, our Emergency Dept was at 90% of total physical (and clinical) capacity at one point, ICU at 50%, and several of our wards at 60-70%. Clincians are stressed and overworked as it is, and this is before the flu season (Southern Hemisphere) and before any Covid-19 cases.

    We don't have enough GPs, and there are waiting lists to "enroll" with one. At some GP practices you have to wait 4-5 weeks (yes - weeks) to get seen.

    People just don't realise how stretched our system is. Locally, we won't even be able to handle dozens of hospitalised cases, let alone hundreds, or thousands.

    We have a large Chinese population and students too, so I'm very surprised that we haven't any cases yet, but apparently there are three New Zealanders evacuated from the Diamond Princess that have just tested positive.

    One of my friends who's a GP has said that he's waiting to see how this turns out in Germany, France and the USA before he will get concerned. He reckons the third world countries are not a good barometer to predict how it will affect us, but I'm not so sure. Of course there are already the economic and supply chain issues which we can't escape. Our meat, dairy and timber exports have already been hit badly.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 3:56am

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    How about Italy?

    One of my friends who’s a GP has said that he’s waiting to see how this turns out in Germany, France and the USA before he will get concerned. He reckons the third world countries are not a good barometer to predict how it will affect us, but I’m not so sure.

    I'd be curious about his take on Italy, now, as a harbinger.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 4:31am

    Sparky1

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    NightsWatch, re: Federal Emergency Powers

    NightsWatch, This is excellent!!! Thank you so much for pulling this together. Its rather mind-blowing in its scope of authority and sweeping powers!  I'll have to review your "cheat sheet" further to comprehend it more fully, along with its possible implications.

    Is there any such general guidance for states' powers? I imagine it varies from state-to-state, but perhaps there's some resource of consolidated information available (e.g., state liaisons with Homeland Security, or a law resource or a National Governors' Association)?

    As this pandemic unfolds, there may be greater interest in exploring the laws and limits to authorities' powers during public health or other emergencies, especially as they pertain to individual civil liberties.

    Given your particular expertise, I'm especially happy to welcome you to the PP community, NightsWatch! You'll find you're in good company. 🙂

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 4:31am

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    Ridicule, extreme opposition, acceptance

    I decided to cancel an upcoming trip to Cancun for spring break.. my sister attacked my decision vehemently, refusing to even hear my “why”.. she’s going & isn’t going to “live in fear” as she has accused me.. any others getting this kind of reaction?

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:08am

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    Iran Coverup.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51614920

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:30am

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    Only got thru #5...

    before it sounded like another way to rob the treasury for corporate gain and additional govt. power.

    As if we still have one.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:30am

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    On Dec 1/2019, a Chinese national vaccine law went into effect.... guess where?

    The first reported case of COVID19?

    December 1, 2019.

    Fascinating article, that may shed light on Patient Zero Wuhan.

    CLEAR EVIDENCE it is NOT a Bioweapon. So What's All This About ACE2 and nCoV-2019 (COVID-2019)?

    It fits with the hypothesis of certain SARS type vaccines triggering more problematic outcomes in future outbreaks.

    Be careful what you wish for comes quickly to mind.

    Good luck all PP’ers

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:43am

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    Latest from Japan

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200223_06/

     

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200224_26/

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:57am

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    quahogs said:

    Iran News agency reports 50 death due to Covid 19. Iranian parliment member says many more infections than reported.

    This was on Al-jazeera english channel.

    4:15 to 15:30 is mostly just Iranian bureaucrats droning on.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:11am

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    Reception said the virus is all bullshit.

    Yes Karen. I got something like that Saturday when I went to my clinic to update prescriptions (in case a shortage develops). So I told the receptionist my reasons and asked what she thought.

    Straight out she snarled "It's all bullshit, stop worrying". So I had to ask if she follows the news very carefully and she actually said no because it was a waste of time and there isn't any worry in Canada.

    So much confidence...so little information. Sheesh!

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:19am

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    Why are babies less likely to acquire Covid-19?

    I’ve heard it speculated that babies are less susceptible because their immune system is less developed.

    That is one difference they have from older humans.  What other possible differences could contribute to their advantage with Covid-19?

    Two other differences are their current diet and the likelihood that they have far less damage build up to their bodies, due to bad eating habits, than older humans.

    Regarding their diet, how does the nutrition in breast feeding compare to the diet commonly consumed by non breast feeding people in terms of protein, fat and nutrients?

    I posted this link a few days ago: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18650320

    It is a study of the relationship of ACE2 receptors and a high fat diet.  From what I’ve heard, ACE2 receptors, in the lungs, are what Covid-19 binds to.

    I can’t help but wonder if there are things we can each do, individually, to improve our chances, while we wait for the drug companies to come up with a vaccine?

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:29am

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    Assumption that babies aren't dying?

    My guess is Wuhan hospitals have had a number of secondary covid infections in already very sick babies.  Since the baby was already sick, nobody bothered testing and the cause of death was listed as the underlying condition.
    We know not everybody gets tested, as the jump back and forth between lab tests and lung x-ray evidence shows.  I wouldn't bet my kids lives that the very young are significantly less susceptible.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:33am

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    i wouldn't bet my kids lives either

    However, I wouldn't assume the difference was slight, at this juncture, nor would I fail to ask questions that might improve the chances of the rest of humanity.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 7:11am

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    Thanks

    Thanks for letting me know you’re getting push back too, cautious behavior is not the same as “living in fear”!

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 7:34am

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    Any others getting this kind of reaction now?

    No, mostly because I’m keeping quiet.  People don’t like to have their cherished world view disturbed.  When I’ve done this in the past, I frequently am not allowed to finish sentences.  Phrases like “fear monger” and “conspiracy theorist” are trotted out, phrases specifically engineered to discredit an opponent, without considering their argument, or evidence.

    Interestingly, I asked my daughter (a RN in Texas) what she was seeing.  She responded with the party line, basically nothing to be worried about.  When I mildly challenged that response, she opened up that she may have been downplaying the issue.  I’m sure she is conditioned, from years in the profession, to not spread alarm.  Her second response was similar to what we are hearing from Chris, genuine concern.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 7:39am

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    Common Denominator to Outbreak Clusters.

    There is likely a common factor to where the clusters are forming, possibly Selenium in soil content/selenium intake or perhaps something else?

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 8:06am

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    Pandemic bonds

    Obviously the party line is to protect investors from liquidation of these bond funds.  I wonder which agency is in charge of declaring a "pandemic"?  To liquidate, it must be 12 weeks from pandemic start.  Also, at least two countries must have at least 20 deaths.  With Iran coming on strong, I think this point has been reached.(Not officially.)

    We never found out who made all that money shorting airlines the day before 9/11.  I wonder who are the pandemic bond investors.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 8:06am

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    There’s many types of high-fat diets

    Les, breast-fed babies are on basically a ketogenic diet. Breastmilk is mostly fat. That’s what babies are supposed to be eating.

     

    On the other hand, I’m not sure what rats or mice “should” be eating. When they do these experiments with rodents on a high fat diet, they usually are feeding them tallow from CAFO raised animals, or soybean oil. I didn’t dig into the article you linked to long enough to find out, but that’s what I have found out every time I have gone into the details of similar articles. Sometimes it’s listed in the methods section, sometimes they refer you to another article and it’s a bit of a hunt to find out what they feed the rodents.

    I don’t know what diet would be specifically helpful for this particular virus. In general, to keep the immune system at the right level, which is the level that fights a virus but does not kill you by attacking you, a diet that is a very high in fresh produce, that does not cause your blood sugar to rise too much, that provides high amounts of nutrients, that doesn’t cause excessive inflammation and oxidation, that’s basically what you’re looking for. I would be amazed if there’s a secret for this virus in particular, as it seems from my focus in the last 10 years as a functional medicine doctor that it’s pretty much the same diet that helps most people for most things.

    My favorite resource are Mark Hyman‘s books including Food: what the heck should I eat, and the 10 day detox.

    As a matter of fact, Peter Attia released a brand new interview with Mark Hyman this morning, and what they’ll be talking about is longevity, and I bet most of their recommendations will be the sort of thing you need to survive viruses and other threats to health.

     

    There is one situation where things may be a little different, and that’s the trade-off between cardiovascular disease and surviving infections. Normally, an elderly person (say 90+) would want red meat and animal protein to help prevents pneumonia, falls, and fractures, but it can be a problem in some for cardiovascular disease. However, in this case, cardiovascular disease has been listed as a risk factor for death from the virus, so I’m not sure what conclusions I can draw. Diabetes has also been listed as a risk factor, and so keeping the glucose low is probably a good thing in this case.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 8:24am

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    Yep

    Paris in July. I’m not gonna go. The extended family are not happy.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 8:29am

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    I didn’t dig into the article you linked to long enough to find out,...

    Basically, I posted that link, again, to see if there is any interest on Peak Prosperity, to look into alternative approaches to fighting Covid-19.   So far, I’m not seeing a lot of interest.

    People on PP are better than most, but, it seems, still have cherished beliefs they are reluctant to dare question.

    I certainly wouldn’t call breast milk Keto, unless the mother is on a Keto diet.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 8:38am

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    Normalcy Bias, Denial, etc.

    It comes down to something Chris has brought up "Truth Passes Through Three Stages: First, It Is Ridiculed. Second, It Is Violently Opposed. Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident"

    Also normalcy bias, Americans thinking they are special & divinely protected from suffering the rest of the world has to go through, etc.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 8:42am

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    Right, 50% calories from fat isn’t keto

    But it’s also not low-fat. Also, you have to take into account with these carbohydrates are actually absorbable by humans or are meant to feed gut bacteria. Human breastmilk seems to have a lot of nonabsorbable carbohydrates. But being keto while breastfeeding (or pregnant) that does have some research suggesting it's a bad idea.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 8:46am

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    Market took a dump, how many more flare ups?

    As of now, China, South Korea, Iran and Italy are having problematic outbreaks. Japan is reporting cases but in a slow trickle, same as Hong Kong and Singapore.

    I wonder which country is next? A few days ago Italy wasn’t even on the map.

    Dow drops 900 looks like market realized this may be a problem

     

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 8:54am

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    Re- Normalcy Bias, Denial, Etc.

    “Also normalcy bias, Americans thinking they are special & divinely protected from suffering the rest of the world has to go through, etc.“

    That’s is a BIG generalization to speak for all Americans.
    I don’t know anybody who thinks they are divinely protected and won’t get the virus because they are Americans.  Rather they look at the statistics and think they may be able to survive it. Just go to the “Official” websites and they will tell you  don’t panic, the risk is low.

    “For people in most other parts of the world, your risk of getting COVID-19 is currently low,” a quote from the WHO website.

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 9:11am

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    Not divine protection - jut saved by the "safety nets"

    I agree, not many in the divine protection camp.  Most, even self-identified conservatives are in the somebody else will take care of it camp.

    Liberals assume the medical system and disaster recovery help (FEMA) will take care of them.  They don't need to be self-reliant because everybody has the right to food, water, medical care - of course not a clue where that might come from.  Just heard Bernie reply that he wasn't going to work on the details of how to fund his plans because there was lots of money out there among the rich.

    Conservatives assume that we've assigned the job of preparation to some bureaucrats who will of course do their assigned duty, so we can continue with our assigned duties.  So Trump has assigned some people recently and conservatives aren't worried.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 9:12am

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    pawch said:

    Hi Les,

    AT2s are especially prominent in the newborn. Is this why children seem to be less susceptible?

    https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/26/4/322/439241

    The above is from my post at https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/covid-news-you-can-use/

    Also start taking 4000 IU of vitamin D3 per day (it’s fat soluble so take it with a meal).

    I sent the below email to PP, but you might be interested in some of its content.

    Dear Dr. Martenson and Mr. Taggart,

    I am a former laboratory director of a medical center in Southern California, board certified in anatomic and clinical pathology with emphasis in microbiology. I have no affiliations with any organizations or institutions, political or otherwise, public or private. I'm retired and am committed to being prepared for what’s coming.

    You’ve done yeoman’s work with your videos. A large collective thank you. I admire your courage almost as much as your dedication.

    I am a big Mike Maloney fan and religiously read his daily goldsilver.com news reports. That’s where I first encountered your excellent missives. I enjoy your corona videos as much as I do his on the hidden secrets of money.

    I’m emailing you because such a post on PP would get lost in the shuffle. The below technical discussion is also probably beyond the comprehension or interest of the typical enrollee or might be viewed as quackery v the vaccine approach. Also I want to help you both as you have helped us. You can either accept the suggestion or not. No response needed.

    You have recently raised the issue of antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) producing a cytokine storm in  SARS CoV2 and compared this to dengue fever and dengue shock syndrome/dengue hemorrhagic fever in your excellent video entitled "Coronavirus Infections Outside Of China Are Growing Exponentially".

    This is especially disquieting since such "storms" fell indiscriminately, especially the healthy, if the second wave of the 1918-1919 Spanish flu pandemic is any indicator (see below).

    I am kind of a naturopathic pathologist (? oxymoron). I’ve not seen anything from you regarding Vitamin D. So I’ve put together a somewhat technical explanation of why it might be worth including in any preventative measures.

    The 1918 Influenza Pandemic: Insights for the 21st Century

    https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/195/7/1018/800918

    "The notion that a so-called cytokine storm, a deleterious overexuberant release of proinflammatory cytokines such as interleukin (IL)-6 and -8 and tissue necrosis factor (TNF)-α, could have contributed to the high mortality and excessive number of deaths among the young and otherwise healthy during the 1918 pandemic has been frequently proposed."

    In the Eva Harris article to which you referred

    https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(14)60572-9.pdf

    it appears that serial infections by more than one serotype of dengue, which has 4, is required for ADE. We have SARS-CoV1 and SARS-CoV2, as you have pointed out. Furthermore, influenza viruses and corona viruses seem to exhibit enhanced “antigenic drift", opening the door for additional future serotypes.

    So, we have reason to be anxious, but ...

    “The interplay between vitamin D and viral infections”

    06 January 2019 issue of Reviews in Medical Virology

    https://vitamindwiki.com/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=11421&download=y

    This fabulous though quite technical article provides abundant data to implicate vitamin D deficiency in not just the seasonal flu but also in dengue, SARS, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), ...  these diseases are not seasonal by coincidence. They occur during the darker months when our vitamin D levels are lowest.

    Selected comments from that article follow.

    “Vitamin D significantly decreases cytokines and chemokines such as TNF‐α, IFN‐β, IL8, IL6, and RANTES."

    RANTES is a cytokine related to interleukin-8 that attracts memory T lymphocytes and monocytes. These T cells are the mediators of the cytokine storm and endothelial dysfunction.

    "Vitamin D down‐regulates the NF‐κB pathway"

    NF‐κB stands for nuclear factor associated with kappa light chains on B cell lymphocytes. The antibody to the spike protein on SARS is an IgG kappa.

    "Vitamin D increases the expression of IκBa protein."

    "The IκBa (inhibitor of kappa B) protein inactivates the NF-κB proteins and keeps them sequestered in an inactive state in the cytoplasm."

    According to the article this increased IκBα protein is present in alveolar cells, endothelial cells, and macrophages.

    The above cytokines and chemokines are the same culprits in dengue shock syndrome and the Spanish flu pandemic.

    More recent articles

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3372981/

    "Nuclear factor kappa B (NF-κB) is a key signaling molecule in the elaboration of the inflammatory response. Data indicate that curcumin, a natural ingredient of the curry spice turmeric, acts as a NF-κB inhibitor and exhibits both anti-inflammatory and anti-cancer properties."

    So far, no cases in India, where curry is beyond popular.

    High-dose of vitamin D supplement is associated with reduced susceptibility of monocyte-derived macrophages to dengue virus infection and pro-inflammatory cytokine production: An exploratory study (Mar 2018)

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0009898117305442

    “Vitamin D produced a significant decrease of pro-inflammatory cytokines and high production of interleukin 10 (IL-10).”

    IL-10 is an anti-inflammatory cytokine.

    "A supplement of 4000 IU/day of vitamin D may represent an adequate dose to control dengue progression and DENV replication."

    And maybe for SARS too.

    Vitamin D-Regulated MicroRNAs: Are They Protective Factors against Dengue Virus Infection? (May 2016)

    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/av/2016/1016840/

    "All the data discussed here suggest that vitamin D could constitute a strong potential strategy to modulate the “cytokine storm” that occurs during ongoing DENV infections and the progression to severe states of the disease."

    Effectiveness of Vitamin D in Prevention of Dengue Haemorrhagic Fever and Dengue Shock Syndrome (2017)

    https://www.journalrmc.com/volumes/5_%20Effectiveness%20of%20Vitamin%20D%20in%20Prevention%20of%20Dhf%20&%20Dss.pdf

    "Vitamin D decreases the risk of DHF and may have a role in management of dengue fever."

    Dengue viral infection deteriorates vitamin D3 (July 2018)

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2058739218791100

    "Vitamin D3 level was found significantly (P < 0.05) decreased in test group (dengue patients) compared to control group (healthy individual)."

    To be fair some studies purport an association of higher vitamin D3 levels in DSS/DHF than in DF. But upon review they seem to be flawed. In one

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3413536/

    both the control group and the study group were seriously vitamin D deficient and in another

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319737263_Vitamin_D_serostatus_and_dengue_fever_progression_to_dengue_hemorrhagic_feverdengue_shock_syndrome

    both groups were deficient or barely sufficient (> 100 nmoles/l = 40 ng/ml). If these studies demonstrate anything it's that you need plenty of D to see any benefit. This strategy is frequently encountered in agenda driven articles where one pharmaceutical, e.g., a statin, is compared to a competitor using suboptimal doses. Another strategy to mislead the reader is to tout relative benefit over absolute benefit. They rarely include NNT or number needed to treat to prevent one case, which immediately provides a good read on risk versus benefit. The NNT for the flu vaccine is 40, while only 33 need to supplement with vitamin D to avoid one case of the flu. And if one is determined to get the flu vaccine, vitamin D supplements are additive.

    Again thank you for all you do. I hope this email has served to moderate your ADE fears and to empower you, as you have us.

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 9:35am

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    What can we do in US to communicate our concerns to officials?

    Letters to your Senator, change.org, others?

    Does anyone have a template or existing write-up that could be shared and sent by many to your representatives?

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 9:35am

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    Vitamin D

    Best to take Vitamin K2 with D.  I take 10,000 IU D per day.  Lab testing for vitamin D level is pretty low cost.  Many are deficient.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 9:42am

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    Not even a market correction

    Don't lose sight of the fact that a now 1000 point drop fromm ~29,000 is only 3.4%.  Not even a correction at this point.  But I do think we will continue to put in new lows that won't get tested in late spring as in years past.  Whatever gets set in as a market bottom in the next month (or two) will likely be the lows for the year.

    And yes, I may be incorrect.  But since I am market neutral, I just take what the market gives me and trade in that direction.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 9:46am

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    kunga, have you had your vitamin D levels checked and, if so, what test was used

    10,000 IU of Vitamin D3 long term sounds rather high.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 9:47am

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    Also start taking 4000 IU of vitamin D3 per day (it’s fat soluble so take it with a meal).

    Thanks.  I'll look into it.  I currently get all of my vitamins from plant foods and am cautious about overloading my bodies receptors with mega doses found in vitamin supplements, but am open to suggestions.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:11am

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    Shorting the Airlines on 9/11

    Probably the same people (SEC) that invoked emergency powers (1st time in history) for easing regulatory restrictions for clearing and settling security trades for 15 days.  Ever hear of Cantor Fitzgerald?  Largest securities broker in the US.  Eurobrokers as well.  The 2 accounted for about 40% of those killed in both towers collapse.

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:15am

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    Letter to local officials

    Tom Sammy, here is a draft of a letter that I am about to hand-deliver to our local city council.  I wrote it yesterday because it doesn't appear that our local officials are aware/preparing for COVID-19.  My city of 6,500 people famously weathered the 1918 Spanish influenza with zero deaths, by blocking access to outsiders.  That wouldn't work today, but I'm seeing NO preparedness or communication with the public (yet).

    Dear Council Members,

    We are in the midst of a deepening global health crisis, resulting from the spread of the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) and resulting pandemic (COVID-19).  This crisis is not confined to China, Japan, South Korea, Italy, and Iran.  Cases have been confirmed in 32 countries, and this novel coronavirus is especially virulent.  The U.S. Center for Disease Control (CDC) is working to slow the spread of the virus, but most experts recognize that the virus can no longer be contained.

    The City of ___ and its citizens should prepare for the arrival of the novel coronavirus, in the time we have.  ___ is “famous” for averting local deaths from the deadly 1918 Spanish flu by limiting the influx of visitors on what is now Highway 50.  Such draconian measures would not work today, and we should prepare for the very real possibility that 60 to 80% of our populace could be infected.  For many, the symptoms may be minor and some infected individuals will even be asymptomatic.  For the vulnerable 20% of those infected, the symptoms may be severe, including vomiting, diarrhea, fever, chills, and possibly death.

    Individual and community preparations must focus on three tasks – reducing each person’s chance of getting sick, helping households with basic survival needs during a pandemic, and minimizing and coping with larger societal disruption.  What matters most is how households, neighborhoods, community groups, and businesses prepare.

    Without being alarmist, our city leaders should review any contingency plans that are already on the shelf and update (or create) contingency plans for this new epidemic.

    • Will public gatherings be restricted? What criteria will trier this or decision point?  (Social distancing will be important but unpleasant and financially costly.)
    • Are our critical services such as water and sewer treatment fully staffed, and do we have adequate cross-training of employees in the event that half of our city staff is taken ill at the same time?
    • Do maintenance staff and police have adequate personal protective equipment (PPE)?
    • Do public buildings have placards and adequate supplies for hand hygiene and non-mask respiratory etiquette?
    • Does the City have several month’s supply of critical reagents, filters, lubricants, and parts to weather the supply chain disruptions that have already begun?
    • How will our police balance public safety vs. individual rights with respect to virus containment, self-quarantine, or mandatory quarantine?
    • Are we prepared for a reduction in tax income when local tourism is affected as severely as international tourism is currently being affected?
    • Do we have systems for organizing volunteers to work together through the difficult times that may be coming?

    Council members and City employees likely have their own written or mental lists for critical services and emergency response.

    I urge City leaders to set an example for a resilient and rational response to this very real outbreak.  We need not live in fear, but we mustn’t live in ignorance, either.  There are many simple and powerful steps that our City leaders and individual residents can do to prepare before the outbreak is felt at a local level.

    Yours in service to health and prosperity of our community,

    [my signature]

    Perhaps I'll be considered a crazy person for writing and submitting this letter, but I'll take that risk over riding out the Coronavirus without water, sewer, and other critical functions.   What do you think?

    WaterDog

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:15am

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    Government isn’t the solution

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:17am

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    ITS HAPPENING

    VIX (volatiliy index is up 51%! I can't even type fast enough or it's up another percent.

    It's BLOWN past the china currency devaluation scare and it's now going to be compared to the greek sovereign debt crisis. In a matter of HOURS!

    https://www.investing.com/indices/volatility-s-p-500

    Welp. I've been calling for people to get the fuck out of the market for weeks now (go check my twitter if ya don't believe me). I hope somebody out there listened.

    Or bought the VIX of course xD i would've done it myself but after my physical gold and silver i had nothing left. Well, secondary buffer, which i spent on virus supplies.

    https://www.investing.com/commodities/silver

    But hey since i bought mine in december i am not complaining ^_^

    Good luck to everybody out there!

    EDIT: From the time i started typing that to the time i ended typing that, VIX went from 51 to +54,22% currently

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:20am

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    market dump...

    Last night I was watching the pm opening at kitco with interest.  With futures forecasting an 800 point drop, what would the metals do.

    At opening Au tanked to 1384 within a minute, probably less 1689.  $300.  It was even on their screen for a while.  Not this morning though.

    Hey Kunga, was that you that btfd?  Anyone get in on that action?

    I'll bet someone did.   😉

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:26am

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    annie

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    Interesting snippet of information

     

    Quote from the New York Times.  “The island nation of Mauritius, in the Indian Ocean, gave passengers on an Alitalia flight from Rome a choice of quarantine or immediate return. Alitalia said none of them had symptoms. They flew back to Italy.”

    Is there a particular place Chris, Adam and the PP team would like to be send snippets of info?

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:27am

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    Zana Hart said:

    Myrto Ashe, You said something about an elderly person, say 90+, and being 77 and not feeling at all elderly, I loved it!

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:28am

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    Journal Articles

    SAGE Publishing has made a number of academic articles related to the Coronavirus available for free. A PDF with titles, journal names, and URLs can be found at

    https://journals.sagepub.com/pb-assets/PDF/SAGE-Publishing_Coronavirus-Related-Articles.pdf

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:39am

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    Barbara, I get where your coming from.

    Here's my take fwiw...No one is coming to save you.

    Oh, if the government is coming, it is ONLY to control you even more.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:42am

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    Awka72

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    Can anyone translate this claim of 10k cases 400 deaths Iran?

    Allegedly a letter from Iran's Prime Minister of Health?

    This accounts has had some interesting information. I'm curious if anyone here can read this, and has any thoughts as to the veracity?

    https://twitter.com/hectorology/status/1232013145557721088

     

    edited as the author updated his Tweet to reflect the correct person resigning

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:43am

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    Tom...

    Be sure to post the form letter of your senator/congressman's caring reply.

    We're all in need of a good laugh.

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:46am

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    Vitamin D

    My doc recommends 10000 iu. Says it won't hurt.

    Would some knowledgable please address NAC dosing and when to start? Now or when sick? Thanks!

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 10:49am

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    asgordon123

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    JOHNS HOPKINS RESTRICTING ACCESS TO CORONA MAP

    now when you try to view the corona map at johns hopkins it asks you to login..........i guess since there's no information....there must be no cases!  BNO Newsroom on twitter still has numbers.

    a scary development given that they are part of Event 201.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:01am

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    Letter to Council

    [quote] symptoms may be severe, including vomiting, diarrhea, fever, chills, and possibly death.[/quote]

    Consider adding severe respiratory difficulties and pneumonia to that list. Also mention that some would require extended hospital care, even intensive care.

    [quote] This crisis is not confined to China, Japan, South Korea, Italy, and Iran. Cases have been confirmed in 32 countries, and this novel coronavirus is especially virulent.[/quote]

    Suggested:

    "This crisis is not confined to China; cases have been confirmed in 32 countries to date. This novel coronavirus spreads easily and hits hard."

    Edit for conciseness in every way you can. If you can make the same points in fewer words your text will have more impact with busy officials.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:05am

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    Site is overloaded, access is not being deliberately restricted

    At least that's the "official" story.

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:06am

    kunga

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    Vitamin D3

    When I lived in Seattle for 12 years, I became very deficient in vitamin D.  It took about 3 years of sun exposure and 10,000 to 30,000 IU vitamin D3 per day to return to acceptable levels.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:10am

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    kunga

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    Never another pandemic or market crash

    The Fed. will stop all market crashes and WHO will never declare a pandemic.  The rich get richer,  ain't we got fun !?!

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:18am

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    Market dump, Bill

    Hey, Bill,  There are old traders and bold traders but no old, bold traders 🐱🐱

    Like Smaug, I just sleep on my pile until awakened by a great disturbance in the Force.

    Love, Jeddi Smaug, Jr.  🐱

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:32am

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    Kat43

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    Sun!!

    Get sun NOW!  With as much skin exposed as possible.  You really can't make up for it with supplements.  I'm in Boston.  38 on Saturday, 50 on Sunday.  In a sheltered spot it can be very warm in the sun.  All cause mortality and morbidity goes down with more sun.  Just don't burn.

    If you are doing supplements, then along with D you need not only K2 but also A or you will be out of balance and inviting heart issues.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:35am

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    Matties

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    Yep vitamine D

    We found that the mean 25(OH)D concentration was lower in China than in the US
    (45.1 vs. 83.5 nmol/L), with Chinese elderly lower than American elderly for every age group. 70.3% in China and 17.4% in the US were considered as vitamin D deficiency (30.6% and 3.4% were considered as severe deficiency).

    Vitamine D deficiency in US and China among older

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:35am

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    Letter to public officials - KNOW your official's ideology first

    In today's polarized political climate, we probably need two or three letters with different flavors.

    For traditional politicians (conservatives) it may start something like ... as the Federal government has recently indicated, Americans should do their duties to get prepared for local corona outbreaks... Here are some expert suggestions... add a mainstream reference

    For politicians who can't take their eyes off the money: Bloomberg (or most recent business publication) reports that economic disruptions from covid19 are likely to be severe if steps are not taken to prepare.  Some of the following preparation will save this community money and keep our local businesses as healthy as possible during the projected disruptions...

    For liberal politicians:  I know you want to keep our community safe.  The corona pandemic is not only a threat to individual's physical health, but also could have side effects with severe impact on the wellbeing of the entire community.  I have a few suggestions that might help us all pull together to weather the coming storm as a stronger community...

    If you're very sure they'd want to hear exactly what you'd want to hear, pick up the phone and chat.  If they are not the kind of deep thinking people we find here on PP, then spend time analyzing the words they use and the things that seem to motivate them before you write.  Remember, it's not what YOU say, it's what THEY hear.

    Perhaps a few non-conspiracy looking letters to the editor, geared to the common denominators in your community might also be in order.  Don't criticize the stupidity.  Just give a few simple, not alarmist ideas that remind people to pay attention.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:40am

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    Vit d and twitter

    Awka- did you happen to screen shot? The tweet is now gone. :/

    vit d: I’ve personally been diagnosed with “critical low d” levels less than 20 (can’t remember the units). I was prescribed d2 and my d never budged. I did lots of research and learned d3 was better. I switched to 8000 and then 12k (bc I felt so much better on it!) and my levels finally came out to 42. I’ve been working on raising d for 5 years!! I just restarted my whole family on d3, hubs and I both take 10k/d and kids take 800/d. Seeing how it’s February, we don’t get much sun, we use uv protective clothing in the summer we are all likely low. I did a lot of research and sadly cannot remember the guys name, but he Was the guy who came up with the current recommendations of vit d supplement. He basically said optimal levels of d was blood levels of 75k and it’s practically impossible to overdose. Have to take greater than 50k/day for long time to possibly get too much. But yes it’s far soluble so cant just get rid of it. I am perfectly comfortable with 10k/d for at least 2 months (I have previously done this for 6m straight) and then maybe tapering down to 5k a day. This is just from my personal experience and research. Not all supplements are equal and my kids started reacting to “palm oil” in our old supplement and I just recently found it with olive oil and coconut oil for them. I prefer the drops. Hubs capsules. Amazon! Actually I’ll probably go buy some more today. Lol

     

    there is a relationship with calcium absorption that I need to go back and relearn. Just haven’t had time but wanted to mention. We can’t take k2 Bc my daughter has anaphylaxis to dairy and k2 is dairy based from all I could find. But yes I would choose that if I could.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:43am

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    Desogames

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    Crypto

    As a word of warning, today proves without a shadow of a doubt that crypto is NOT a safe haven asset! It is speculative.

    Because today was when it really counted. The world went full panic mode, complete risk off, Stocks dumped, gold/silver jumped and what did crypto do?

    Red across the board. Similar loss percentages as the stock markets.

    This was the first time such an event happened with the Crypto space being mature; at least bitcoin is and virtually everything tracks bitcoin.

    Maybe there is promise in blockchain tech. I certainly think so. But ALL the current crypto currencies? None of them qualify as a safe haven. Don't blame me. The market has spoken.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:44am

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    Sun! Kat43

    I have a 40:40 program.  40% skin exposed for 40 minutes middle of the day.  UV B rays, give most vitamin D, least cancer.  Just opposite of govt. recommendations.  We have a problem right now of very quiet, low power sun.  Crop losses, weather changes, disease, lower UV.  Big 400 year cycle, or greater, probably.  The Eddy Minimum.  Interesting how the Chinese Dynasties fell approximately every 400 years.  This is the big fourth turning.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:44am

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    K2 and D and A

    There are many forms of K2.  One is based on natto.  No dairy in that at all.  You must include Vitamin A or calcium metabolism will be off - settling in soft tissues (think calcium plaques, kidney stones) instead of hard tissues.

    Stop being so afraid of the sun.  You need the sun, starting at sunrise.  Your body is loaded with photoreceptors that are supposed to take in all the wavelengths over the course of the day.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 11:55am

    kunga

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    Vitamin D3

    Stupid doctors prescribe vitamin D2.  You can find K2 non dairy.  It was originally from Japanese natto, fermented soy beans.  Yes, I found getting my vitamin D from below 20 to above 50 ng/ml took a long time.  Good research at mercola.com

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 12:15pm

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    "A Miami man who flew to China worried he might have coronavirus. He may owe thousands"

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article240476806.html

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 12:30pm

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    westcoastjan

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    BC update Feb 24 noon - one new case

    A new case apparently linked to contact with the person from Iran

    Seventh case of COVID-19 diagnosed in B.C.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 12:40pm

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    Soy

    Thanks kunga, I forgot we also have soy allergy to work around and forgot that was the other reason we couldn’t use k2. I’m sure someone makes it allergy friendly but I need to keep looking for sure. Thanks!

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 12:46pm

    kunga

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    Soy

    Try mercola.com

    Fermented soy is not the same as soy.  Maybe can use.  Get advice.  Be. careful with supplements from Amazon.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 12:47pm

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    Canada Feds response planning

    "It also tells countries like Canada, that have been able to manage and detect cases so far, that we have to prepare across governments, across communities, and as families and individuals, in the event of more widespread transmission in our community."

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pandemic-response-cornavirus-canada-1.5473738

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    Re: sunshine

    In addition to solar minimum, wr have government experiments with SRM (solar radiation management) as a means to slowing global warming. The aerosolized (yep) mix they are spraying (geoengineering) has small metallic chaff which theoretically reflects the sunlight but what is also implicated in respiratory issues anecodtally by those in areas of observable heavy spraying.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 1:10pm

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    greendoc

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    More info on VItamin D, K and A and testing

    This is the test you want.  Unfortunately, unless you have some pre-existing disease linked to VIt D deficiency it is sometime difficult to get you doctor to order these and heave them covered by insurance. Good chance you need to pay out of pocket.

    A person can order tests here without a doctors order, but not in all states.

    https://www.walkinlab.com/products/view/vitamin-d25-hydroxy-blood-test

    Labcorb $70

    Quest $50

    A nice write up here:

    https://www.labcorp.com/tests/related-documents/L6851

    https://www.labcorp.com/tests/081950/vitamin-d-25-hydroxy

    There is alot of debate about constitutes optimal range for Vit D. Personally, I like to see patients in the 40-60 ng/ml range.

    Heads up about units: different labs report values using different units…big difference between ng/ml and nmol/L!  Optimal of 40-60 ng/dl (nanogram per mililiter) equals 100-150 nmol/L (nanomoles per liter).

    Some would say even higher levels better, I am not sure I agree.  There is a theory about Vit D getting sequestered in tissues in inflammatory states and the ratio of 1,25 to 24,25 Vit D is a better value to track (but expensive to test and really just a theory)

    Optimal dose needed to get to 40-60 ng/ml will vary by the individual and their age, weight, skin tone, latitude they live, season, and unique genetics.

    I know people who need 10,000 IU per day to get to target, while others reach optimal in the winter on as low as 2,000 IU/d.  The only way to know is to monitor your levels after taking a set dose for a month and see if you are at target and adjust dose up or down as needed. Testing in winter makes most sense…as likely making little Vit D from sun exposure if you are living in dark winter latitudes. IF you spend alot of time in the sun during the summer, then back off your winter dose somewhat.

    Too much Vitamin D can become toxic, but that unlikely if you do not exceed 10,000 IU per day in healthy individuals.

    “Overall, research suggests that vitamin D toxicity is very unlikely in healthy people at intake levels lower than 10,000 IU/day (323-325).” https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/vitamin-D#toxicity. It is also important to take VIt D with Vit K2 and with food with some fat content (nut butter, avocado, nuts, seeds, olives, etc) to help with absorption.    

    I like these brands: (Disclaimer: I work for the following company)

    https://www.amazon.com/Seeking-Health-Vitamin-Capsule-Supplement/dp/B00W8C6QGU

    Others good ones

    https://www.amazon.com/Designs-Health-Vitamin-Supreme-Capsules/dp/B003CF7TOA

    https://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-K2-MK7-Supplement-Vegetable/dp/B01GGFDVUI/ref=sr_1_4?crid=114CFAMQ1PL9V&keywords=zhou+vitamin+d3+k2&qid=1582577005&sprefix=zhou+vitmain+%2Caps%2C241&sr=8-4

    This is a nice summary about Vit D too…as to what might be optimal: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-optimal-dose-of-vitamin-d-based-on-natural-levels/

    Also, don’t forget Vit A. Many people have mutations that make the transformation of beta carotene into active Vitamin A very inefficient. They are better off eating food sources rich in Vitamin A: egg yolk, liver from any animal, cod-liver oil, salmon, fish roe, cheese.  If vegan, consider a Vit A supplement or look to see if you have some preformed Vit A in your multivitamin.

    As for NAC and when to start. First, NDs tend to prefer liposomal or oral glutathione.  Precursor therapy like NAC or whey protein powder high in cysteine may not be efficiently transformed to glutathione in some people. “Endogenous glutathione production is determined by genetics as well as the environmental influences in and around the cells. This means there are a lot of unknowns regarding whether someone can achieve the increase of glutathione production that is assumed to happen with precursor supplementation. Simply put, giving glutathione itself removes the chance that a given patient is someone who cannot efficiently produce it from NAC.” –Tina Kaczor, ND, FABNO (www.RoundTableCancerCare.com).  However NAC cannot hurt if that is what you have, it just might not be the most bang for your buck if you are looking to increase therapeutic levels of reduced glutathione in your body.

    When to start NAC/GSH:  last month!  Don’t wait! Start now. Increasing GSH (shorthand for glutathione) can lower your levels of inflammatory chemicals.  This is a very good thing when your immune system does encounter a bacterium or virus, it has a better chance of responding in a coherent, balanced way.

    Kudos to Dtrammel for compiling the threads on prepping and treatment ideas! I will post this there too...I suggest people start using those threads instead of these daily ones when they are looking for answers that have been already posted elsewhere.

    Be well,

    Claire

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 1:33pm

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    Tom Sammy

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    Using Cruise ship and SK data to understand Italy/Iran

    Looking at SK and Cruise data to better understand Italy and Iran: this

    1.  South Korea -

    833  cases

    8 deaths, 6 serious/critical, assume 15% of serious critical will result in death. ~ 9 deaths or 1.1 case fatality rate*

    2. Cruise ship -

    691 cases, 3 deaths, 36 serious/critical. assume 15% serious/critical will result in deaths. ~ 1.2% case fatality*

    Hypothesis Italy and Iran

    Italy - 229 cases 7 deaths - if assume a 1% CFR - likely they have at least 700+ cases

    Iran - 61 cases, 12 deaths -if assume a 1% CFR likely the have at least 1200 cases*

    notes

    * cases are still in progress so unsure what final CFR will be

    *Iran may have higher CFR due to poorer quality of care.  This would mean total cases might be lower, eg; if CFR 2% cases may be 600.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 1:45pm

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    Walterperry

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    More mainstream confirmation

    Lipsitch predicts that, within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, around 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)

    Lipsitch is far from alone in his belief that this virus will continue to spread widely. The emerging consensus among epidemiologists is that the most likely outcome of this outbreak is a new seasonal disease—a fifth “endemic” coronavirus. With the other four, people are not known to develop long-lasting immunity. If this one follows suit, and if the disease continues to be as severe as it is now, “cold and flu season” could become “cold and flu and COVID-19 season.”

    At this point, it is not even known how many people are infected. As of Sunday, there have been 35 confirmed cases in the U.S., according to the World Health Organization. But Lipsitch’s “very, very rough” estimate when we spoke a week ago (banking on “multiple assumptions piled on top of each other,” he said) was that 100 or 200 people in the U.S. were infected. That’s all it would take to seed the disease widely. The rate of spread would depend on how contagious the disease is in milder cases. On Friday, Chinese scientists reported in the medical journal JAMA an apparent case of asymptomatic spread of the virus, from a patient with a normal chest CT scan. The researchers concluded with stolid understatement that if this finding is not a bizarre abnormality, “the prevention of COVID-19 infection would prove challenging.”

     

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 2:05pm

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    Thank you for Reminding us all

    The immediate is the eternal.  Thank you for reminding us all.  Your lovely cats and your kindness to them, remind us all of today.  I went into my garden yesterday and watered each plant.  Afterall, tomorrow is never promised to anyone.  We must smile in the rain.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 2:08pm

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    Markets

    Yep apparently the insiders have fished positioning themselves for the down side.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 2:19pm

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    Better to look at critical cases

    As chris says it's best to look at critical cases (when that data is available) because it'll be the most accurate.

    We know from the study that looked at everybody between december 6th and feburary 6th that there's a 81% mild, 14% severe and 5% critical cases rate. When somebody goes "critical" it usually means Intensive care unit with breathing apparatus and/or other machines to keep organs artifically functioning. In other words; the highest chance that person has been found/put in hospital.

    So with at this time 23 critical italian cases, that implies x20 = 460 italian cases.
    With the caveat that there might be ICU patients that haven't been tested for the virus yet/aren't suspected to have the virus even though they have the symptoms (because there are multiple diseases with these symptoms and each confirmation test takes time, days for multiple tests to really confirm it)

    Every time they find a critical case, the total case count should go up by 20. There's some variation ofcourse but it won't be much.

    The fact that Iran doesn't release this data is telling. But honestly, i think they just don't know.

    EDIT: Just to prove my point, currently there's 36 critical Diamond Princess cases, which x20 is 720, and current confirmed case count is standing at 691. With cases they missed so far (false negatives) it sounds about right.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 2:23pm

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    Vitamin D-A-K

    Regarding Vitamin D-A-K, this is the one I have been taking for years.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 2:26pm

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    Vitamin K1 and K2

    I'm a chiropractor with 35+ years experience, and knowledge of nutrition. Want K2 that is independent-lab certified to be hypoallergenic [like every one of their products?]. Pure Encapsulations. https://www.pureencapsulations.com/quality-control/free-from-products

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 2:47pm

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    Second time around

    I read that article today as well. The thing that struck me as missing from the article / calculations is that being afflicted with Covid-19 a second time apparently proves far more deadly. Whether asymptomatic carriers would be similarly affected I don’t believe has been definitively determined. What about the third time around?

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 3:55pm

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    Chris' newest video: "Are You Prepared?" (2/24)

    For those anxiously awaiting their daily dose of Chris' video update:  😉

    Coronavirus: Time To Prepare Is Running Out  (2/24/20)

    https://youtu.be/fLYnomkC1fA

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 3:57pm

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    previous mandatory vaccination in Wuhan may have made things worse there

    Galene77, the link you provided suggests a reason why Wuhan people and China generally (including young doctors) may be more sensitive to the new virus.   As summarized by a commentor: "the overwhelming locus of infection in Wuhan (or China in general) may be a result of a mandatory vaccination scheme that included a spike protein. After sensitization by a vaccine against a form of corona virus, a rechallenge by another corona virus can lead to massive pneumonia, according to the research."  I dont have time or inclination to wade through the cited papers, but this may be an important puzzle piece................................
    Yasui et al., Prior immunization with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV) nucleocapsid protein causes severe pneumonia in mice infected with SARS-CoV. J Immunol. 181:6337-48 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18941225 https://www.jimmunol.org/content/181/9/6337.long

    Te et al., 2012. Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus. PLoS One 7(4) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22536382

    Tseng et al., 2012. Double-Inactivated Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Vaccine Provides Incomplete Protection in Mice and Induces Increased Eosinophilic Proinflammatory Pulmonary Response Upon Challenge https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3209347/

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 4:03pm

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    Magnesium depletion.....

    I don't know about biology of magnesium specifically in illness, but in a healthy body it is unusual vs. other vitamins or minerals.  Very little magnesium is normally in the blood (1% of total).  2/3 is in the bones, 1/3 in somatic cells.  Blood level is tightly regulated.  Under severe stress, somatic cells dump a lot of magnesium to the blood, and kidneys work hard to reestablish the desired level.  That magnesium is gone forever.  Maybe the body recognizes this situation as "stressful" Julie

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 4:05pm

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    busy...

    US diplomats involved in trafficking of human blood and pathogens for secret military program

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 4:37pm

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    Epidemiologist Mark Lipsitch: The COVID Cat is already out of the bag

    The Atlantic has a piece that includes interview with a Harvard Epidemiologist, Mark Lipstich.  He feel that we already have 200+ cases in the USA, and even this small number (100-200 cases) make the infection uncontainable.  It will spread through the population.

    Rapid testing and isolation are futile.  High transmissibility, asymptomatic spreading and lots of travel and public mixing means:

    The cat is out of the bag.

    The horse has left the barn

    The milk has already been spilt, and

    The water has already gone over the dam.

    Most will have mild disease.  And some subpopulations will be hit very hard.

    (A friend pointed out that the population being hit hardest --the elderly with co-morbidities--are exactly the group not in the work force, drawing Social Security benefits and spending the most Medicare dollars.)

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 4:47pm

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    Testing

    I recommend (on info from doc) testing once a year for vitamin mineral levels whether you are supplementing or not.

    The best test I have found is Spectracell labs.

    Ps. most MD's don't know shit about supplements. Go to a functional medical practitioner

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:00pm

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    THE CORONA VIRUS IS NOT THE PROBLEM

    The problem is ignorance, stupidity and clinging to obsolete beliefs regarding viruses and health.  ANY VIRUS can easily be eliminated from the bloodstream in 10 minutes with an $1800 frequency device.  Every prepper needs to have one of these.  Medical doctor clinics will NOT have them because they are not approved.  And they won't get approved because they don't use pharmaceutical drugs.  They use FREQUENCY...22nd century medical science.  You saw it on "Star Trek".  Now it's here.  Request info by email at [email protected]

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:16pm

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    Cure for a Cold???

    Unfortunately I get so many ads to improve my eyes, knees, or sexual function that I missed this revolutionary machine.   Maybe you could go into business curing your neighbors rather than selling the device?

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:27pm

    BillL

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    I with you...

    I'll keep my prediction short...Honest money is about to make a return to earth.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    My wood fired sauna is hot,  eucalyptus in the water bucket tonight, gotta go.

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:31pm

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    Holocaust is now underway. Give it about 3 weeks to be a real mess in the US

    Because, these official US bozos think you must have been to asia and that no one from asia came here except via quarantine, to test you.. No one could possibly meet the criteria.. same as doing away with the WHO pandemic category., Like it will disappear. They know its here. Butthey will know people will be upset with the govt.. they will be anyway.. Its time for all those in charge to resign.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:36pm

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    Are you trolling this board with your spam?

    I am not saying there are not devices or supplements that can do this.. But I do know people with real stuff , do not troll boards like this at this time and situation.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 5:53pm

    nordicjack

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    Tommy, regarding iran/italy

    I am not so concerned with italy numberwise. Italy has an absolute problem / outbreak / epidemic. Iran , the numbers clearly do not suggest epidemic but do not agree with deaths.. However, when we look at MERS numbers it seems exactly consistent. So perhaps this more like MERS there. The question is why.. Is it how they calculate cases or lack of diagnosis.? maybe MERS was not a problem outside of the middle east. So , one of two things are happening there. , either they cannot figure the ill vs the dead - for both this and MERS. or something there is making this much more lethal. Meaning is it possible that a previous exposure to mers which may have been mild and affected many - sensitized these people to death/. the ADE second wave.? or has this something to do with the evironment ? or has this merged with the MERS . or is there some genetic play on this?

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:05pm

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    This is horrific.

    I have no words. Her research seems solid. God have mercy on us.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:10pm

    nordicjack

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    regarding miami man "wheresdavid"

    I would tell the insurance company to go screw themselves - not that is probably not claused , but basically even if you provide 3 years - a stomach ache that you were prescribed pepcid for because you ate lowjoes eatery will disqualify you for having the flu. How can a pre-existing condition cause the flu? it may make you need more care but not diagnose if that is what you have.. Since he was not there for treatment of severe complications but as a precaution and just a diagnosis.. it makes no sense that any of his charges are relevant to existing health. Additionally. the hospital is out of its mind.. I would write the hospital a SOL letter.. As they must show that the rendered services and the according charges were reasonable.. To ask a provider because of his travel history to exclude coronavirus based on a flu test.. for confirmation - is not 4k.. it may be 250-400 dollars plus maybe a 100 lab fee. Further, the state should bear some of this as his actions are only based on concern for the welfare of other citizens and the hospital. The hospital should be thanking him..

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:31pm

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    Ridicule and so on

    Oh Yes LOADS of it from all directions.  I record, go into retreat and learn more, then check off my list as everything comes true .......two or three weeks after I warn them as Mom the Doom Merchant.  Now I report info to people who are open, do not waste anytime trying to prove anything I summarize but I provide links, and move on.  Warn, then move on.  One friend was so confident in her trust in the officials that she motivated me to write an article about this exact situation.  PM me if you want me to send it to you.. Thank you.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:31pm

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    Classified information!

    r 59 min ago

    US senators will be briefed tomorrow on coronavirus

    All US senators will be briefed Tuesday morning at 8 a.m. in a classified setting on the novel coronavirus, two sources with knowledge of the plans tell CNN.

    One source said that the briefing will be in a classified setting because the senators who are organizing it wanted to be prepared in case a senator asks a question that can only be answered in a classified setting.

    There will be briefers from the Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Homeland Security, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Institutes of Health and the State Department, one source added.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:39pm

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    Usage of the word "Pandemic" by the WHO

    I do not believe it's any accident that WHO has forgone the use of the word Pandemic. This is going to be about someone's money and its probably someone or some country with substantial influence.

    But their precise reason is currently unknown.

    I have a theory though that it has to do with the legal wording of documents in insurance contracts, possibly some derivative bets and/or the actions and obligations that must be undertaken by States, Countries or Provinces when that trigger word is used.

    There are obviously ramifications when the WHO declares a pandemic and it may only be known at higher levels where agreements and memorandum of understanding were made in the past.

    Perhaps it relates to financial claims states might make against one another for actions that will later be deemed acts of war.

    For example, under conventions Kenya might one day desire to bring a case against China for harm done to its nation or people by an egregious industrial or biological accident that involves substantial economic losses.

    If it can ever be proven that a nation deliberately released a pathogen that killed hundreds or thousands in any single country then there might even be recourse in class actions. Such cases could sit on the books and be activated many years or even decades down the road.

    I am not a lawyer but I do know the importance of language. If the WHO has decided suddenly not to use the correct word then it means someone's money is a risk.

    This is suspicious in the highest degree.

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 6:54pm

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    Newbie in Uruguay

    •  Hi everyone. My name is Laura and I retired to Uruguay four years ago. I feel like I'm in one of the best places  to ride out  this Coronavirus.  Fortunately, Uruguay is on the opposite side of the world from China and in the southern hemisphere so I have a good chance of being in the last continent to be affected. This is also a very small country with only three million people and a well-functioning political and Healthcare systems. I have already laid in my supplies and I have a plan to reduce contact with crowds and to keep very clean hands throughout the fall. When winter comes to Uruguay, around May or June, I may leave for warmer areas. My basic plan is to not get the Coronavirus For the next year. I think my chances are pretty good.
    • I am very happy to have found the Peak Prosperity videos and community. I also frequent the blog naked capitalism, but the coverage here is far superior. I have been following this virus since January 19th when my son told me about it while we were talking on the phone. He's teaching school in Vietnam, except they closed the schools a couple of weeks ago so he's just bored and drinking with his roommates. He's supposed to go back to California in about a week. Anyway, I just wanted to introduce myself and I'm looking forward to discussing this shared content with other people here.

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 7:19pm

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    Finally Who says "all countries should prepare for a "potential pandemic"

    U.S., global markets plunge as coronavirus cases spike, creating ‘economic pandemic’
    The Dow Jones industrial average sank by more than 1,000 points, or 3.6%, to close at 27,961.01 after Wall Street interpreted new disease clusters in South Korea, Italy and Iran as a sign that the respiratory illness has outraced confinement efforts. The technology-heavy Nasdaq index fell by more than 3.7%.

    Factories around the world are grappling with parts shortages as their Chinese suppliers struggle to resume normal operations. With global economic engines sputtering, the Federal Reserve and other central banks face calls for emergency help.

    https://www.newsherald.com/zz/news/20200224/us-global-markets-plunge-as-coronavirus-cases-spike-creating-economic-pandemic

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    "all countries should prepare for a "potential pandemic"

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 7:25pm

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    Michigan quarantine fail

    Hundreds of Michigan residents being home quarantined for possible Coronavirus
    LANSING, MI. (WILX) - The coronavirus is being monitored in 326 Michigan residents who recently traveled abroad.

    These people had all traveled to China or were passengers on an infected cruise ship during the last month.

    The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services said the travelers are seen as "Medium" or "Low risk" for infection.

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    No one has been placed in quarantine facilities but they have been asked to practice home quarantine as much as possible.

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    https://www.wilx.com/content/news/Hundreds-of-Michgian-residents-being-home-quaratined-for-possible-Coronavirus-568146151.html

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    How about this brilliant headline?:
    Japan health officials say coronavirus ship quarantine was not perfect
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    Crystal River couple in coronavirus quarantine hopeful to return home
    Courter said they've been able to walk the perimeter, without interacting with anyone.

    https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-citrus-hernando/florida-couple-in-quarantine-hopeful-to-return-home

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    Students held out of school for a day and residents under self-quarantine as coronavirus concerns spread to Europe
    Students returning from Italy, where Coronvirus cases are climbing, were told to stay home from school on Monday. They are expected to attend class on Tuesday.

    https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/20200224/students-held-out-of-school-for-day-and-residents-under-self-quarantine-as-coronavirus-concerns-spread-to-europe

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 9:14pm

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    Thanks for that link Saxplayer

    You linked: "The Dow Jones industrial average sank by more than 1,000 points, or 3.6%, to close at 27,961.01 after Wall Street interpreted new disease clusters in South Korea".

    That remark created a bit of a stir in my house because on Sunday night when markets turned down I had a forecast (after two revisions) on the previous thread that the DOW would bottom at 27,960.

    I was wrong by precisely 1.01 points which is as close as a trader can get and lay claim to actually hitting a bullseye. Maybe I will earn some cred around this joint if I'm lucky. But at my place I'm still getting grilled about saying gold is going to make a great big faceplant off the high board into solid concrete fairly soon.

    Lol!!

    And it will. I don't know if this is a gold bug site since I'm new here but I suspect my comments about gold going into reverse may not be welcomed by some members.

    Nonetheless, there is no better way to be prepared for the future than to have some knowledge in financial areas that interest you. And since gold is my area of specialization I will have this last comment.

    So I just want to reiterate for the benefit of the gold aficionados here (who retain an open mind) that the near term outlook for gold is not bright.

    I would not be a buyer here no matter how enticing it may seem because what you are looking at on the gold chart is an important reversal top, not a place to add new positions.

    I have already posted my calculation that February will give us a closing price near 1659 and if it does then that is your cue to get out of Dodge.  We are currently at 1657.70 on the front month contract and I suspect I won't be far wrong.

    So this is my last post on the subject since the Carnivorus Virus seems to have everyone's rapt attention. Just be cautious not to delude yourselves that just because the world looks like it's going to hell that means gold will go higher and do really well.

    It won't. And the really bad news is that it's going to deflate substantially from here on out so don't mortgage the house to buy anymore.

    Why will gold deflate? I don't know why but I imagine it will be related to Chinas economic house of cards coming unglued. It's on the chart though and it can be predicted.

    Best of luck to all.

     

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  • Mon, Feb 24, 2020 - 9:36pm

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    Welcome to the community.

    Welcome Laura. Please keep us informed of news from your country.

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  • Tue, Feb 25, 2020 - 1:09am

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    said:

    I was cured of herpes in 14 days with the herbs of robinsonbuckler @{{yahoo.}} com, this is unbelievable

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  • Tue, Feb 25, 2020 - 8:58am

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    I was thinking about the cruise situation in Japan.

    I know on hindsight, everyone will say the japenese botched that. In reality, I do not think it would have made much of difference if any. The reason for quarantine the ship, is to keep the port and land safe, Not the ship. As we know, quarantine was orginally assumed all or most of the vessel was infected already. Norovirus and long history back for centuries have taught us, that the ship is a plaque ship.. no one is spared. to that end, there was nothing that the japenese did wrong.

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  • Tue, Feb 25, 2020 - 9:18am

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    Nairobe...Gold sliding...

    Throw out a bottom for shits and giggles.  I love the whole discussion of metals.

    An open or closed mind it a terrible thing to waste.  😉

    Humor me please.

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  • Tue, Feb 25, 2020 - 9:23am

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    CDC

    CDC finally says prepare ---

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/cdc-outlines-what-closing-schools-businesses-would-look-like-in-us-pandemic.html

    “We are asking the American public to work with us to prepare for the expectation that this is going to be bad,” she said. “Now is the time for businesses, hospitals, communities, schools and everyday people to begin preparing.”

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Tue, Feb 25, 2020 - 11:56am

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    Another voice of common sense

    "The coronavirus is not a civilization-ender, not Stephen King’s Captain Trips come for us at last, but it’s increasingly obvious that we do have a lot to fear from it, both medically and economically — and the American response seems to lag substantially behind where we should want to be right now."
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    given the still-limited scale of United States testing, there is no way to be sure, and if we escape a major outbreak, it will be more from luck than prudence.

    So already, the virus has exposed a clear weak spot in what you might call the liberal-globalist imagination: an overzealous “remain calm” spirit in the face of the real risks of a hyper-connected world."

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  • Fri, Feb 28, 2020 - 7:23pm

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    Magnesium Sulfate or Epsom Salt

    MgSO4 or Epsom Salt or Magnesium Sulfate is a source of magnesium in the body.  Americans (in particular) are deficient in this mineral.  It is cardioprotective and required for muscle relaxation (too much will relax your bowels to much surprise!) Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) will interact with ions of opposite charge in the body and potentially disrupt the ion balance, which could lead to cardiac instability.  No point in curing the virus if it gives you a heart attack, so one should play it safe.

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