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    The Coronavirus Is Even More Dangerous Than Previously Thought

    In addition to the lungs, it injures the heart, kidneys, nervous & circulatory systems, intestines and liver
    by Adam Taggart

    Thursday, April 16, 2020, 9:02 AM

Man, the more we learn about the honey badger virus (covid-19), the more we realize what a beast it truly is.

Yesterday’s video went into the damage the virus does to the lungs. It’s also becoming clear covid-19 also injures the heart, kidneys, nervous & circulatory systems, intestines and liver.

Again, you do NOT want to get this if you can avoid it.

We are also seeing that it’s a hard foe to defeat. In a growing number of ‘best case’ countries, when lockdowns are lifted, they’re having to be quickly re-instated as new outbreak blooms occur.

Meanwhile, the damage covid-19 is doing to the global economy is becoming increasingly clear – and grim. Demand has fallen by record amounts, the banking system is looking shaky, and food security is now becoming a concern.

The latter speaks to why we have been advocating for weeks now that you get busy starting or expanding your garden.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 9:07am

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    French connexion

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    Better than Russian Roulette

    Feeling somewhat frustrated.

    Just listened to Chris’ newest recording – excellent as always – but he says near the very end in resumé – that HCQ+ is not the silver bullet, be all end all cure for COVID.

    I do not think that anyone thinks that – it is just a really good alternative until other choices emerge. The danger of looking for the HOME RUN BALL is that alot of people will NEEDLESSLY go to hospital FOR LONG PERIODS of time. Some of them will develope serious complications; some will die.

    How do you spell RELIEF  HCQ+

    That’s what this is all about. And that’s what I don’t get. How do really intelligent people NOT GET IT. If you make it easy for a GP to prescribe HCQ+ treatment, you give INSTANT RELIEF to your hospital system.

    As Dr Didier Raoult said in his podcast yesterday – people have no stigmatization in Africa or Asia to take a protective pill to prevent (error OMG) – might prevent statistically in between 91 and 94 percent of cases of the infection of ruining your life. I mean that’s better than Russian roulette!

    And I add for all Bill Gates fans, what about the possible prophylactic effect – as stated by an Italian doctor who noted that not a single COVID infected patient had Rheumatoid Arthritis in his service. After all, our hero Bill Gates championed the idea of giving French safes in large quantities in Africa as a condition to receiving aid. (In France we call those English safes).

    To push this envelope a little further – in the very civilized Industrial Western World – we think almost nothing about taking a birth control pill – which too has undesirable consequences and does not have a 100 pentcent success rate.

    There I go – no one will give me a thumbs up now.

     

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 9:09am

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    French connexion

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    All we are asking, is give Didier a chance

    https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/

     

    deaths        cases             for  France

    17,188       134,582     12.8%

    IHU Méditerranée Infection

    11              2,716           0.41%

    But we don’t know if it works yet.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 9:24am

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    HydroxyChloroquine and ZPack

    My girlfriend works in a big city building that was shut down due to Covid19 infections.  She most likely contracted it but the VA refuses to test her (Navy Vet) and essentially blew her off.  She has Lupus and has been on HydroxyChloroquine for decades.  Luckily she had started to see my private doc who after a phone consult prescribed the ZPack.   After 4 weeks of chronic low grade fevers, chronic dry cough, headaches, diarrhea etc she is now on the upswing.  Doc said only hospitals can test for Covid19 now, but he plans to order test kits when there is wider distribution; my girlfriend and I will get tested.   A couple weeks ago I woke at 2 am with fever and nausea thinking "oh shit".  I got up to go to the kitchen to got some LMNT water then returned to bed and fell back sleep.  I woke 5 hours later with no fever and GI OK.   This is not how the flu acts.   I have never fought of those symptoms so fast.  I rarely get colds for over 15 years so maybe I am lucky.  I am also jacked up on immune system boosting supplements due to a hospital infection years ago.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 9:27am

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    Anosmia has other causes as well, in case anyone is wondering

    Just a side note on Anosmia - it is not all that unusual as you get older, I've found to my chagrin.  I used to suffer quite badly from RADS (Reactive Airways Dysfunction Syndrome) but I would get past the appalling coughing fits and be ok again.  But once I hit 70, while the RADS had eased off to only occasional attacks, when it did happen, I would find I had lost my sense of smell, and therefore taste.  It would slowly come back to some degree.  Now I find even a bad sneezing fit can do it, at least partially (hyposmia).  The doctor kindly (the so-and-so) explained to me that as you get older your brain shrinks.  Violent coughing or sneezing causes shaking in the brain case that can shear off the delicate neural connectors to your nose.  They can grow back again, but not always fully.  Which is why a lot of older people have a reduced capacity to notice smells.  I don't know if the loss of taste can occur as a separate dysfunction, but generally the two go together.  A complete loss of taste - can't even distinguish sweet, salt, sour, bitter - would be something else again.  I don't know what would cause that, other than damage to the palate?  Or CoV19?

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 9:39am

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    Sometimes we meed to take a break from it all

    Here’s one we can appreciate here.

    https://m.facebook.com/detroitsymphony/videos/1498224497004970/?vh=e&d=n

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 9:50am

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    ericarseneau

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    Would like to see data on the mental care side?

    Great job on presenting all this information you so painstakingly research and present to us.  One aspect I haven't seen much of is the mental care side.  From talking to my therapist, there is not a lot of information being presented on how much strain is being put into taking care of the raised anxieties and stress levels during these trying times.  From what my therapist says, mental support efforts are also overflowing with people needing care, higher levels of depression, suicide, ...  I'd be interested to see what you can put together for this.  Again, thank you for all your great work!

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 9:55am

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    Sabemenos

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    How seriously should we take Covid19?

    Imagine you are going into a restaurant seating 100 people and the greeter says, by the way, we have an active shooter situation, but it’s not serious. He has only killed 4 people and wounded 20 so far. (Or whatever we think the CFR is.) Would you go in? That’s why I’m staying home

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 10:17am

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    Sabemenos and all.

    Good for you for staying home.  Good for everyone for staying home!

    Now don’t be surprised at the world you are creating.  It’s called the haves vs the have nots.

    The have’s have government, County, State, Municipal, Retirement income, work for banks, Wall-street, etc. They are situated.

    The have nots are small business owners. Employees, private contractors etc. They are not well situated.

    The have nots are running out of money, having trouble feeding their children, paying rent, making a car payment and wondering where the hell they can get a job cause they just got laid off. But hey, your safe at home.

    Pretty soon, after things open up again someone will go OMG I am infected.  An admin person will say lets do contact tracing and find that dirty place that infected you and close it down!!!  Hmm how are businesses much less people to survive being shut down over and  over again?  But hey, your safe at home.  You after all are one of the have’s.  The have-nots survived the great depression they will survive this one right?

    A country divided.  Should be interesting.  Are you ready? I am not sure I am ready for whats coming but at least I can see it.

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 10:23am

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    mEad0w.larK

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    Protest The Lockdown

    https://www.corbettreport.com/are-there-lockdown-protests-questions-for-corbett-060/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CorbettReportRSS+%28The+Corbett+Report%29

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 10:35am

    VTGothic

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    People needing mental care...

    From what my therapist says, mental support efforts are also overflowing with people needing care, higher levels of depression, suicide, …

    My son in law is an officer in charge of Covid-oriented security at an Army base. Most soldiers are under isolation orders in order to prevent the Honey Badger disabling troops who could be sent to some corner of the globe at a moment's notice. (It's because his group just rotated off active call up status that he and they have been assigned security and support for base hospitals - they're expendable.)

    He has observed that the rates of soldier problems has increased dramatically: risky behavior, drug abuse, suicide, domestic violence, even occasional homicide. It's causing a deterioration in readiness. In response, they are now doing periodic home evaluations. He says separate from looking for signs of domestic trouble his number one question is, "do you have a motorcycle?" That's because they have become the number one cause of preventable accidents and injuries.

    I imagine there's a lot of similar in the general population.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 10:43am

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    IV Vit C and Actmera Interesting Article

    Interesting article about a doctor's approach to saving another doc with his own thoughts on the disease and autoimmune response.

    https://www.richmond.com/special-report/coronavirus/a-richmond-doctor-s-dramatic-story-of-covid-19-infection-hospitalization-and-survival/article_750722ad-7918-544d-bc4d-798d456033f6.html?utm_source=NEWS%20-%20RTD%20Morning%20News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=RichmondTimesDispatch&utm_content=_Morning%20News

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 10:53am

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    Zinc Deficiency Symptoms

    I don't know if the connection is just coincidental or if there is causality involved. One of the reported symptoms of Covid-19 is decreased sense of smell and taste. That is also one of the symptoms of zinc deficiency.

    https://www.healthline.com/health/zinc-deficiency#symptoms

    Zinc is used by your body in cell production and immune functions. There is still a lot more to learn about zinc, but we do know that zinc is an essential part of growth, sexual development, and reproduction.

    When you’re zinc deficient, your body can’t produce healthy, new cells. This leads to symptoms such as:

    • unexplained weight loss
    • wounds that won’t heal
    • lack of alertness
    • decreased sense of smell and taste
    • diarrhea
    • loss of appetite
    • open sores on the skin

    One of the more promising therapies for combating Covid-19 is a combination of hydroxychloroquine (a zinc ionophore) + azithromycin + zinc. Is the body scavenging all the available zinc in the body to fight the virus? Is that why reduced smell and taste is a symptom? (I really don't know.) It would be easy to tell by just checking the level of zinc in a blood sample of a Covid-19 patient compared to normal levels.

    Grover

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 11:03am

    vshelford

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    Granny - re Sabemenos staying home

    Granny, you make a good point here, but the two states are not mutually exclusive, at least in many cases.  We stay home.  But we also order in.  Our local farm co-op offers delivery not only of their own produce, but they'll pick up whatever you want from the local grocery store.  There are a lot of people around from the "gig economy" who are in need of work.  So we've moved some projects forward, and called in help where we would normally have done it all ourselves.  I'm paying for help in the garden where I wouldn't have done that before.  Maybe some of that pay will be in food going forward.  Others we know are doing the same.  It's not even that we're all that wealthy - our income is less than half the US cut-off for benefits at $75000, now that our own b&b business is cut off.  I'm not saying this to break my arm patting myself on the back, but to point out that there's another direction we could find ourselves going in, as this situation progresses - we could get adaptive and creative.  Keeping our own communities going, which sets examples for other communities.  It's not "the big answer" but it's scalable.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 11:11am

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    karenchantal

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    Food security request

    I would love for Chris and investor friends, to let us know how the food commodities are doing.  And maybe some info in general.  For example, if Vietnam won't export rice, how does that impact us in the West?    Stuff like that.  Are farmers planting for the spring with wheat?

    Not to be funny, but.......  our shortages now, how will they impact my buying ramen noodles in 6 months to a year?  If people can't buy cheap staples in 6 months, forget the plague.  All hell will break loose.

    Thank you guys!

    Yall are awesome!

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 11:11am

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    zinc

    Wow,  I like that hypothesis.  Could connect another dot.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 11:35am

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    Impact on Gut Microbiome by COVID-19

    Excerpt from an email newsletter from Viome Research Institute...

    Your gut microbiome plays an essential role in supporting your immunity, as your gut lining houses 70% of the cells that make up your immune system and is one of the first lines of immune defense you have. Now more than ever, eating the right foods which feed your microbes can help in maintaining your gut barrier integrity.

    During this crisis, our scientists at the Viome Research Institute have learned much about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the COVID-19 respiratory disease, since the initial outbreak. We now know that the virus can be present and detectable in the gut microbiome, even after it is no longer detectable in the respiratory system, or in cases where people have experienced mild or no symptoms. Studies have shown that people may shed the virus in stool for weeks after the virus is cleared from respiratory samples.

    To play our part in the long term solution to COVID-19, Viome has submitted our FDA application for approval of our Gut Intelligence™ Test for SARS-CoV-2 virus and COVID-19 detection. Our lab and bioinformatics teams completed validations for this test in exactly 14 days—an incredible feat! We believe that this type of testing will eventually be critical in our fight against COVID-19, and will release more news on this innovative, alternative test as soon as we are able.

    I want to let you know that we are here for you. Please don’t hesitate to reach out to us if you have any questions about your samples, or your results and recommendations. Our customer experience team is also available at support.viome.com or online via Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn.

    Yours in Wellness,

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 12:10pm

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    STILL can't get it right?

    https://www.sfreporter.com/news/2020/04/15/nm-covid-19-cases-1484/

    I think for this crowd, the picture is worth a 1,000 words. If you have to ask, you're either very new here - which is fine, you're in the right place - or you're not paying attention.

    PS - (Chris, this one's for you.)

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 12:14pm

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    Zinc overload warning

    I have been taking Zinc regularly over the last 6-8 weeks, usually 30 mg as picolinate along with 2 mg Copper.  Even with the Copper, I fear that I am overdoing it as I have developed some numbness in the heel of one foot and the big toe of the other.  I am experiencing some kind of neuropathy.  I am starting to believe that I am experiencing Copper deficiency.  I will stop the non-dietary Zinc supplements for now and get ahold of a Copper supplement.  I will restart Zinc supplementation if and when I feel sick.

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4612215/
    Copper deficiency myelopathy: A report of two cases

     

    https://www.medlink.com/article/copper_deficiency_myeloneuropathy

    The commonest neurologic manifestation of acquired copper deficiency is that of a myelopathy. A peripheral neuropathy of variable severity is commonly associated with the myelopathy.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 12:23pm

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    LOL Jasper..

    Well done.  I had to click the link to see the pic with enough resolution to catch the joke.  Somebody should start a rogue's gallery of mask stupidity.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 12:48pm

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    More data points, and some interesting commentary

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/16/more-small-molecule-clinical-data-against-covid-19-as-of-april-16

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 12:55pm

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    Glad Sabemenos and others can stay at home; more precarious times ahead

    I'm glad Sabemenos is able to stay at home given that in earlier posts she's noted some age and other concerns that may place her at added risk. Living on a small farm with limited income has enabled her to get by for the near term without the financial or family resources available to many other folks. I'm rooting for her and others like her. 🙂

    I'm in a similar situation, but within my suburban mini-homestead. So compared to many, many others--including family and friends--I suppose I'm in the "very-modest-haves-for-now" group. I'm keenly aware that my situation could change for the worse in a heartbeat.

    There are many, many people currently in very dire situations that will become more acute as this pandemic/financial collapse continues to deteriorate and become more obvious to all.  The longer we "very-modest-haves-for-now" group can hang-on and persevere, the longer we can serve as a resource to others who are at daily risk working with the public, and/or are struggling to hang-on or are failing.

    We are in the midst of a global catastrophe that will lay bare entrenched, extreme economic, health and social disparities in the months ahead. That reckoning will be disruptive, may be shocking and deadly to some more than others, and millions of people will suffer. Those that stand to profit off of this misery will not necessarily be insulated from the suffering or anger of others. I pray that that anger is not misplaced, but I fear that it will be in some circumstances, taking down the innocents and guilty alike. We can prepare and mitigate, but no one will be really "ready" or emerge unscathed from this catastrophic, historic"fourth turning".

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 1:02pm

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    Thanks Sparky1

    You are so much more eloquent and articulate.  Well said!

    Sparky1 I was trying to post a very good new podcast but don’t know how to do it.  Would you give it a go?  Its’s David McAlvany’s new podcast with his guest, James Howard Kuntsler.  Sorry to ask, I hope you don’t mind but you are very good with information and the podcast is worth listening to.

    Thanks so much!

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 1:21pm

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    Here you go, Granny! David McAlvany's interview with JHK re, "Living in the Long Emergency"

    Thanks, Granny--you're too kind! 🙂

    Here's the link to the 4/14/20 podcast/video of David McAlvany's interview with James Howard Kuntsler. Please let me know if this is not the one that you were looking for.

    Stay healthy and alert, Granny.

    All the best,

    Sparky1

     

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 1:40pm

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    Perfect, Thank You!

    It’s a treat McAlvany and JHK!

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 1:44pm

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    Just happened to see this article

    dealing with the mental health side of all this...

    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/fighting-suicide-in-the-midst-of-a-pandemic/

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 2:04pm

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    World Case Fatality Rate

    Chris, thank you for all your exhaustive work. I don't know where would be without you.

    One comment on the Total Closed Cases ( Recovery vs. Death), it might be more useful to strip out the numbers from China and Iran, given that they are totally unreliable.

    If you do that, then as of this moment, Total Deaths would be 136,605, and Total Recovered 416,151, or  a Fatality rate of 32.8%.

     

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 2:18pm

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    Thanks for the eye opening

    Thank you Sparky and others for the perspective. I hope I didn’t sound smug. You are so right. So many didn’t have the opportunity or the means or the forewarning to prepare and their suffering is real and going to get much worse. Let’s all reach out to help all those we can

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 3:21pm

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    some ag economic info

    https://research.rabobank.com/far/en/sectors/regional-food-agri/Updated-Coronavirus-Impact-F-and-A.html

     

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 3:22pm

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    Gilead's remdesivir showing promising results, markets rip

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/

     

    Chicago hospital treating severe Covid-19 patients with Gilead Sciences’ antiviral medicine remdesivir in a closely watched clinical trial is seeing rapid recoveries in fever and respiratory symptoms, with nearly all patients discharged in less than a week, STAT has learned.

    Remdesivir was one of the first medicines identified as having the potential to impact SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes Covid-19, in lab tests. The entire world has been waiting for results from Gilead’s clinical trials, and positive results would likely lead to fast approvals by the Food and Drug Administration and other regulatory agencies. If safe and effective, it could become the first approved treatment against the disease.

    The University of Chicago Medicine recruited 125 people with Covid-19 into Gilead’s two Phase 3 clinical trials. Of those people, 113 had severe disease. All the patients have been treated with daily infusions of remdesivir.

     

    “The best news is that most of our patients have already been discharged, which is great. We’ve only had two patients perish,” said Kathleen Mullane, the University of Chicago infectious disease specialist overseeing the remdesivir studies for the hospital.

     

    This is great news. I was confident that we would find an effective anti-viral for this scourge

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 3:58pm

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    karenchantal said:

    Thanks for the info.  With 2 teen boys, I need to know we have food, lol.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 5:37pm

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    CFR Change Rationale

    Hello,

    I believe the unexpected trend for the CFR relates to the time it takes an individual dies from the virus compared to the time it takes for an individual to recover.  If you look at many US States numbers where they had rapid increase in cases, the number of deaths are higher than the number of recoveries.  The issue is world-wide cases (and sadly, deaths) increased so drastically in March and April, but there hasn't been time for the recoveries to keep up.  Hopefully, we can get control of the new cases and we will see the recoveries go way up and the CFR return to a 5% number.

    Juul

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 5:58pm

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    RE: Gilead's remdesivir

     

    This is good news.  This could be one of the "Three Ts" we need to get back to something like normal.  The "Three Ts" are Testing, Tracing, and Treatment.  Probably needed in that order.

    There must be ubiquitous testing, with nearly instant results.  Workers in close proximity need to be tested, 100%, at the beginning of every shift.  There must be contact tracing -- every person who tests positive needs to be interviewed and all the people with whom they've come in contact in the last few days need to be alerted and tested a.s.a.p.  And then there needs to be effective treatment, so that a positive test isn't a 2%-to-20% chance of a death sentence.

    If this remdesivir is an effective treatment (at least >98% of the time, for mostly very sick patients), then it could be a piece of the puzzle.  But testing, testing, testing is the most important piece.  Imagine if you could treat people *before* they become critical (because you've been testing and contact tracing, to catch those infected early in their ordeals).

    The market (IMHO) is way ahead of itself, rallying on this treatment news.  A treatment alone won't put people back into restaurants and sports stadiums in a couple of months.  (Not me, anyway.)

     

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 5:59pm

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    The right way to look at numbers

    As the idiots in Washington told us we should go back to work based on the total number of cases in an area, I began to think what a problem that would be for rural areas.  Smithfield only had 1 case and now their entire pork plant is shut down.

    So I started looking for per capita numbers and found a couple of good sources.  This one also shows new case rates over time per US county.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html#states

    Here's a direct comparison of total vs per capita rates.  Interesting.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/map-reveals-hidden-u-s-hotspots-of-coronavirus-infection/

    I do think that both of these miss what to do about low population rural areas.  The numbers are just meaningless

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 6:21pm

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    Stop Pandemic and Keep Economy Going and Keep Hospitals Working

    What if Covid-19 does not allow an outcome that balances all three, rather we have to make a choice and live with the outcome?

    I've been watching Chris's updates since the beginning and I'm becoming more convinced, as time goes on, that we will have to give up either stopping the pandemic or keeping the economy going.

    Sadly, I think keeping the economy going is our only rational choice.  We can live without a new iPhone every year, but not without food, energy and some basic household goods.

    Don't get me wrong.  Every update I watch make me more fearful of this nasty virus.  Never the less, the entire planet can't sit at home for a couple of years waiting for a solution.

    I live in Central Wisconsin, where we produce a whole lot of vegetables.  Already, during harvest, we have a terrible shortage of people to help with the harvest.  Those of us who have been willing to pitch in, have to work insane hours for two months just to keep the produce from laying rotting in the fields.

    This year, I don't see how the farms will manage to staff the planting season, much less the harvest.

    In 2019, the green card workers we count on for harvest, were delayed for two weeks at the border in the whole migration/ICE/Border Patrol mess.  With Covid-19 added to the mix, I wonder if we will see a fraction of the green card workers we rely on for harvest and it's not just Wisconsin.  Many states rely on transient green card workers to make the harvest.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 6:39pm

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    Interest in the psych community re loss of smell and/or taste

    https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/loss-smell-early-diagnostic-indicator-covid-19

     

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 6:56pm

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    karenchantal

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    People are jinxing themselves

    I understand why lots of people are upset....  But when people say it can't get any worse, this is all just an overreaction...  God will say "Hold my beer."

    I cringe watching TV and reading Facebook these days.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 7:55pm

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    Testing May Not Be What it Seems!

    Does this make anyone uncomfortable besides me? Not only have testing problems been reported as erratic, odd, uneven and unreliable, I have found myself wondering if they were testing for something else, such as DNA......where is the privacy protection in all of this? Who gets the data and why?

    A potential new blood test designed to detect Covid-19 infection claims to be able to deliver results in just over an hour without the need for a lab. The new Lab-in-Cartridge test from DnaNudge is reported to have undergone a successful initial trial on Covid-19 patients and will now undergo large-scale testing as part of UK efforts to ‘test, test, test’ during the pandemic. Key to the new test is a miniature analyser known as a “NudgeBox’ into which a swab is placed so that no sample handling is required. Results are then provided outside of a laboratory setting. The test is based on an existing DnaNudge DNA testing service launched last year, from which results are used to hopefully ‘nudge’ consumers into making healthier food choices. If successful, the new test has the potential to replace current PCR tests, the accuracy of which are being called into question. Along with making the detection of coronavirus infection simple, effective and quick, data collected could provide a more accurate picture of the levels of infection in order that death rates can be more accurately calculated.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 8:39pm

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    Regarding the question posed at 12:40 regarding the increase in CFR from 5.6% to 21%

    Were I to hazard an unqualified guess, the first thing that I'd look at is a more lethal mutation and/or cross infection to see if lethality increases in patients infected with more than one strain. That shouldn't be hard to do supposing data regarding strain prevalence exists, since the inflection should match the emergence of the next strain with a 10-17 day lag or something.

    After that I'd look at whether depletion/exhaustion in the patient plays a role ie if the patient slowly crashed/tired out, which should be reflected in age ie logically, the young should last longer than the old.

    Next, if there were case data available, I'd try to see if shorter or longer dying times matched some underlying morbidity, or predominance in symptoms eg those presenting with mainly respiratory symptoms lasting longer then those with mainly digestive or neurological symptoms.

    All at a guess, of course. Very good video btw thankyou.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 8:53pm

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    James

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    Reductionist approach will please big Pharma

    Focusing on single therapeutics entirely misses the important story here: a top down crony capitalist system that is orchestrated by the 0.001% and includes the FED, well-connected hedge funds, TBTF banks, the deep state, perpetual war machine, medical/industrial complex and the tech giants won’t give up until you and your children are chipped and psychologically/physically neutralized by their vaccine.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 10:04pm

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    km64, Thank you! for your very sobering, moving and timely post re: suicide in midst of pandemic

    km64, Thank you! I'm reposting here your the link to this very moving, sobering and on-point article:

    Fighting Suicide in the Midst of a Pandemic

    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/fighting-suicide-in-the-midst-of-a-pandemic/

    PP members, please take heart and share. Thank you!

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 10:07pm

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    gyurash

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    Testing debacle may be developing

    Sorry this is second hand, but my wife and I got a phone call today from an old friend who has been living in Utah for a few years. She has an auto immune issue so is very worried about exposure to this virus. A few days ago she came down with a low grade fever, (Not that uncommon for her, but given the current concern...), so she called her Doctor to get his advice on if she should go and get a test for COVID-19 at one of the new drive thru stations. She said her Doctor actually yelled “NO!” He went on to explain that, due to short supplies, test personnel are not changing their gloves between patients unless the patient knows enough to request it, and although the testers are wearing masks, they are having to lean into each car to obtain the samples for testing, (and very few in their cars use any PPE). Car after car after car. Her Doctor was in a political fight with administrators because these drive through test, as they are being run in that area, are as good as being a drive through delivery system for the virus, and he knew this was to be avoided by his patient, our friend, at all costs because of her pre-existing condition.
    Another example of ‘it seemed like a good idea at the time’, or ‘we may not have thought that one through’.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 10:54pm

    nordicjack

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    my thoughts exactly with the testing

    I have actually been sick for 4 days.   Its definitely a respiratory deal.  and today was first day with unbelievable weakness and fatigue , though the cough and tennis ball in chest feel has improved.    no fever yet. but did have loss of appetite only today.

    Anyhow my doctor wanted me to go one of these drive-through temp testing places that they are supposed to open sat in my area.. he said what could it hurt.. well my exact thought,  if they are no using best hygiene during collection it can be a real mess.  Second , after doing a bit a research in my state - these are not test kits they are using - they are just collection swabs - basically they collecting them and only processing the ones for people who meet a criteria..and are sick  what>???   so know you dont have real testing just fantasy testing.. and which is nothing more than collection to put you at risk.. WTF .   never the less.. my risk exposure was my mail carrier on a windy day.. I was down wind without a mask - thought i would maintain a distance but he wanted me to hand my packages to him.. and he shouted - when he realized how heavy there were..almost dropping them at me feet.  ( a moment in lapse of judgement )  it takes just a moment to leave the house without a mask.. If I survive this and its not the covid.. ( make note the mail carrier had no PPE and was coming in close enough contact with, mail carriers are the hub of the community. )  I will not leave the house at all without ppe - even to go to my mail box bank at the end of the street.   You never know who or what you will encounter.

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 11:34pm

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    Truth9834

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    Emerging Theories - Coronavirus

    https://www.jillcarnahan.com/2020/04/16/emerging-theories-that-may-help-us-solve-the-covid-19-puzzle/

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  • Thu, Apr 16, 2020 - 11:35pm

    nordicjack

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    Les , very good observation regarding the situation.

    I have to concur - there is no real balance, what we must do is a sacrifice.  We can live with a slow economy.  One were we go without a lot things we are accustom to.  However, even if we are far from social unrest, once the food supply is grossly interrupted - the real crises begins.   Hence Dr Martenson's recent premium video.  Which I didnt see because because I am a poor cheap disabled slob.

    But, regarding your observation- the way I see , is we cannot make this choice of balancing or sacrifice, it will be made by the people ultimately.   The governors can give us the green light to go back to work,  however, there will be a tipping point when too many are sick and dying and healthcare is no longer available,  that each man for himself scenario will arise.  Meaning, you are not going to go to work and risk your life and throw caution to the wind, hoping most will just be a little sick.    You will want to protect yourself and your family by whatever means possible.  You are not going to sacrifice your life - neither will others..   EVEN if they know, that there will be greater pain later for the current actions.   We have been doing this with the economy for years and we dont want to take our medicine now and are content knowing it going to hurt much worse later.. and we seem not to care about the later.  we only seem to act on the now.   ( part of peak prosperity's goal is to steer you through this type of human behavior )  SO,  even though people know there will be food shortages, they will believe there will be some solution down the road when that arises.. And to some degree there will be, and to some degree there will be a lot of death and possible social unrest as well.   You cannot make people risk their lives to see who the 2 or is it 3 - or is it 4 or 10 % will be that parish.   Look at the Drs and nurses now.. questioning their dedication to sacrifice their lives potentially.   what about other essential workers like the postal workers.. it wont be long now before we see something big happen with those.. -- and if you put everyone back to work and let this burn for economy sake.. you will see when the postal workers start to die and farmers and food packers etc.. to do their jobs.. it will all stop.. you will not see product anywhere.. so killing the economy and pulling the plug to flatten the curve comes first.. the economy takes a much farther back seat.    I think we have room to shut it down even more.  In fact my belief is we should shut it down 110% everything.    Everthing!!!..., all stores, food stores, government offices, schools, banks, everything, even power grid workers ( even if it means no electric )   Shut it all down for 8 weeks.  Hospitals too.. no new patients. everyone on 100% complete utter house arrest.   no interaction of anykind.   8-12 weeks later - the disease should be completely burned out except for something in the freezer ( which is possible could escape again.  ) but by the time it cycled back up we would have a good 6-8 mos of productivity and hopefully closer to a solutions and know how to immediately shut it down again.. what we are doing now is a slow burn ...   the two alternate theories a fast burn and a zero burn..  I think the zero burn total lockdown everything - would have the absolute least impact.  People should have prepared for at least 12 weeks self sufficiency.   The CDC even told people to prepare for interruptions, if these people didnt, they are morons.. find family or freinds that have a little extra..   all Mormons , are taught to have 6 mos or more provisions on hand.. there are many other preppers in the country,  who knew sooner or later something like this would hit..   So, I think there are lot more people prepared,  but people dont know how long they need their provisions.. if we had a finite day..  I think people would manage.. we keep setting back the day - as we are going backwards even with flattening the curve.  Its far from enough.    but the answer is definitely not to light up the economy.  that would end just one way..   NO one wants to be the sacrifice for the economy.

    as another commentor put it earlier today,   If you went to a restaurant that seated 100 people and the greeter/server said to you..  - "We have an active shooter situation today, but dont worry its not serious - only 4 dead and 20 wounded"  would you want to dine there?  (we dont want to lose business and make you starve)  every restaurant becomes an active shooter scenario as does every other operating business./   ( that is the realization that will happen when you turn the lights fully on. )

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 5:00am

    LesPhelps

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    Civilization Doesn't Survive Without Large Farms

    Gaia's Garden is one of the Permaculture bibles.  In it, the author, Toby Hemenway, made an honest assessment.  He estimated that Permaculturists, produce, at best, 25% of their needs.

    For the last couple of years, I've participated in the local harvest.  The harvest labor shortage, at least in Central Wisconsin, has been dire.  The hours are long, the work is dirty and the pay is laughable, but I seem to have a need to contribute.

    The farm I've been working for is a family owned business that centers around potato farming, but is in all sectors of farming.  Despite it's family ownership it is a very large "factory farm."  Last year, we only harvested 8,500 acres of potatoes, because the planting weather was bad and didn't allow the 9,500 acres that they normally grow.  They also broker 10% of the potatoes grown in the US.

    I was one of 40-45 potato truck drivers.  In two months, I hauled in the ballpark of 6,000,000 lbs of potatoes from the field to storage.  I estimated my best day at 750,000 lbs, in one day, and I drive one of the "smaller" trucks.

    The point is 7.5 billion people will not grow all their own food.  Back yard gardens will produce some of the food that an individual household needs, but we need the big farms to survive, at least for a while.

    And that's just farms.  There are other critical portions of the economy that we need for civilization to survive.

    I realize that civilization may not survive, but I for one, am more than willing to do my part to see that it does survive, at least in some form.

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 6:19am

    km64

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    Smithfield didn't just have 1 case

    518 tested positive...

    https://www.ibtimes.com/meatpacker-smithfield-foods-becomes-largest-covid-19-hotspot-us-518-employees-testing-2960006

    Meatpacking company Smithfield Foods has reportedly become the nation’s largest hotspot for the coronavirus, where 518 employees have tested positive for COVID-19.

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 6:21am

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    km64

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    km64 said:

    I'll let people with the data and more time on their hands to offer proof of this profs theory.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/

    A prominent Israeli mathematician, analyst and former general claims simple statistical analysis demonstrates that the spread of COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 6:24am

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    km64 said:

    The governor ought to be working with the Feds to make sure green card workers will be available in a timely fashion.  It's a known issue with some added problems with COVID19.

    I would write your representatives at all levels with this concern, to make sure it's dealt with soon, rather than when the moment comes.

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 6:29am

    km64

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    Mental health

    I'm having trouble maintaining focus, keeping a positive mood and keeping an optimistic outlook.

    I'm having trouble when I've still got a work from home job, have food to last another month without grocery shopping and was generally a loner to begin with.

    I don't know how people with less are managing. The mental strain could result in far more deaths than the virus.

    I will say, part of my mental health protection is avoiding the doom-n-gloom online (which is why I do not post here very much anymore.)  I've tapered off the news as much as I can while still maintaining some situational awareness of what's happening (local/state/region/country/world.)

    It's not easy, but when I focus on what I can do I feel better than focusing on what I have no control over.

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 7:46am

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    Rising Death Rate

    I think a simpler explaination is that the Chinese goalseeked numbers become overwhelmed by the world numbers, plus a secondary timing effect with different countries ramping up.  Also I'd recommend adding a lag for the various numbers as people take longer to recover than "not recover".

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 10:03am

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    Hook And Eye Proves Simpleton Prof Made No Excuse Frontal Lobotomy A Must

    Km64,

    I believe the last two paragraphs said all I needed about the good mathematician in the article you linked : -

    Barbash, speaking after Ben-Israel had left the studio, insisted that “we’re going to be living with the coronavirus for the next year.”

    He added: “I strongly urge that we not let mathematicians — who know nothing about biology — determine when we lift the lockdown.”

    Fin

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 10:06am

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    JWhite

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    Bank failures

    Chris referred to the idea that banks are expected to be in trouble as loans default, and that he expects the Fed to bail them out.  I suggest that bank 'bail-ins' are also a distinct possibility and those who hold deposits in banks (in all countries) should be prepared for this.

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 10:16am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    The Economy with Mark Blyth

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWDx3nKm_Gc&t=116s&fbclid=IwAR1B4byyr1BucUo8J6WgN-x-0C5hOSmjchWzINmyiD25B6zrHKT_9Ah6A00

     

    I love the sign on his wall "well that was a shit idea"

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 10:26am

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    vshelford

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    Re: Civilization, Large Farms, and PP site access help needed

    Good points, Les.  Especially grains and legumes - large acreages are definitely needed for the gargantuan population numbers we've generated in the last hundred years.  I'm guessing that Chris' next piece about the food crisis deals with this?  Unfortunately I've been blocked from accessing that part of the site - it appears to have decided I'm both a member and not a member, and keeps tossing me back and forth between the two requirements.  I can get in here, and comment, but nowhere later than here.  Anyone else having this problem????

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 10:48am

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    kunga

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    Keep Oregon Weird

    oregonlive.com news site called for pic submissions of quarantine hair cuts.  SOOO great!  Living west of the Rockies is definitely liberating.  Many women are shaving their heads and guys getting colorized.  Teenagers even letting Mom cut their hair!

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 12:32pm

    km64

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    Yeah, try dad cutting hair

    My 20 yo son is getting shaggy and hating it.  He's allowing me to take hair clippers to him later. Luckily he's fine with just buzzing it down to a #3 all around.

    Talk about brave!

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 1:05pm

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    albacore

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    Another useful post from Derek Lowe (In The Pipeline)

    I think this blog is worth following closely:

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/17/whats-happening-with-remdesivir

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 1:05pm

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    premium membership

    All of us commenting here are members of the site, but some of us who cant afford it are not paying members with access to teh premium memebers sections

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 1:18pm

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    Re Premium Membership

    If this was an answer to my question, then I am a paid up "premium" member.  My paid membership lapsed for a week or so, as the site doesn't warn you when that happens, but it's paid again now and I am still not allowed in for that article.  I don't know how long it takes for the gods in the machine to recognize payment these days, but it used to be instant.  Not any more.  I just wondered if this was a general site glitch or if it's just tripping over me for some reason.  I've put a query in to the support email, and also the online form, but no response yet beyond "ticket numbers".  I guess if nothing has happened by the end of the weekend I'll have to make a lot more noise.

    Actually, A LOT more noise.  I have since discovered that I did, in fact, have an automatic membership renewal take effect on April 5th.  It seems I've had a double membership.  One of them lapsed today (although I was cut off yesterday), and the other one renewed 10 days ago.  But I'm still cut off.  Houston, we have a problem...

    CHRIS OR SOMEONE - please take a look and unlock my membership PLEASE!

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 1:21pm

    Cia

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    Alzheimers

    Alzheimer’s can cause loss of taste and smell, as it did in my mother.

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 1:34pm

    #61

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    Nearly one trillion in one month

    https://treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=03&startDay=16&startYear=2020&endMonth=04&endDay=16&endYear=2020

    Date
    Debt Held by the Public
    Intragovernmental Holdings
    Total Public Debt Outstanding

    03/16/2020
    17,495,252,134,765.03
    6,005,506,923,878.49
    23,500,759,058,643.52

    03/17/2020
    17,506,099,534,102.63
    6,021,994,383,555.02
    23,528,093,917,657.65

    03/18/2020
    17,506,638,952,920.28
    6,006,952,045,253.80
    23,513,590,998,174.08

    03/19/2020
    17,505,933,295,301.02
    6,009,728,152,255.63
    23,515,661,447,556.65

    03/20/2020
    17,506,352,913,010.65
    6,008,182,077,907.88
    23,514,534,990,918.53

    03/23/2020
    17,507,401,138,252.23
    6,010,453,915,906.78
    23,517,855,054,159.01

    03/24/2020
    17,530,592,687,171.67
    6,020,993,346,212.75
    23,551,586,033,384.42

    03/25/2020
    17,530,771,851,107.63
    6,011,750,886,314.88
    23,542,522,737,422.51

    03/26/2020
    17,535,603,326,374.89
    5,979,198,664,130.74
    23,514,801,990,505.63

    03/27/2020
    17,553,231,839,939.21
    5,981,808,048,557.21
    23,535,039,888,496.42

    03/30/2020
    17,554,731,018,699.21
    6,010,324,969,544.04
    23,565,055,988,243.25

    03/31/2020
    17,674,771,266,474.08
    6,012,099,546,166.00
    23,686,870,812,640.08

    04/01/2020
    17,719,077,528,190.93
    5,983,182,830,719.25
    23,702,260,358,910.18

    04/02/2020
    17,834,239,216,864.28
    5,999,588,971,994.26
    23,833,828,188,858.54

    04/03/2020
    17,918,595,311,923.59
    5,989,735,061,841.82
    23,908,330,373,765.41

    04/06/2020
    17,919,267,151,226.25
    5,997,945,512,631.34
    23,917,212,663,857.59

    04/07/2020
    18,004,963,300,482.19
    6,006,560,016,171.17
    24,011,523,316,653.36

    04/08/2020
    18,110,326,875,954.74
    6,001,505,173,930.16
    24,111,832,049,884.90

    04/09/2020
    18,230,730,588,326.65
    5,990,940,150,877.70
    24,221,670,739,204.35

    04/10/2020
    18,230,748,262,703.22
    5,980,327,611,008.67
    24,211,075,873,711.89

    04/13/2020
    18,230,750,748,315.02
    5,962,339,872,819.78
    24,193,090,621,134.80

    04/14/2020
    18,338,500,813,636.89
    5,963,277,630,312.32
    24,301,778,443,949.21

    04/15/2020
    18,441,034,071,127.88
    5,942,892,026,233.98
    24,383,926,097,361.86

    04/16/2020
    18,524,301,170,741.25
    5,940,990,009,971.86
    24,465,291,180,713.11

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 1:36pm

    nordicjack

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    regarding oregon weird

    I actually asked about this in the forum about 4 weeks ago.   I can imagine people who are used to going to the salon/barber are finding it difficult.   However, being disabled for a long time, i am a pro at doing my own hair.   But, I had actually even done it a few times when i could have someone else do it.     You have sat in the barber chair for every month most of your life, did you ever pay attention to the process?  Anyway.  I can burn hair.  The back is a bit tricky - it would be easier if you could take your head off. lol   But a mirror works fine..   After about 4 times , you will be a pro.  The last time I was in the barber chair was 2012.    I do not think my hair looks any different than when I had it done.  Back perhaps sometimes is a bit full because , i only get into that every other cut.   And yes my father cut my hair when i was younger,  and I hated it.  first i was kid in the 70s. Long hair-styles.. and he was wearing and cutting my hair 60s..  so yeah... i looked weird.

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 1:38pm

    #63

    Jim H

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    Viewing TX nursing home as small, observational study of hydroxychloroquine

    The attached interview with Dr. Robin Armstrong allows for an update to the success he had in treating a cluster of Covid-19 infections in a TX nursing home.  Please recall that a Kirkland, WA nursing home was the original cluster in the US, before we did cluster, cluster, boom!

    Here are the comparative stats;

    Kirkland, WA:  129 sick,  37 dead.  Death rate = 29%

    Galveston, TX:  53 sick,  1 dead (Dr. says not covid, but let's count it).  Death rate = 2%

    This is why I keep posting on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine.  As much as the news, various MD's, and even Chris Martenson don't think it works... it mostly does work, especially if given early with Zithromax and Zinc.  This is real data.. none of the people ended up on ventilators or even in the hospital.  You cannot argue against this data.. it's apples to apples.  Without the protocol, this disease will wipe out 1/3 of a nursing home.  With the protocol and a watchful Doctor almost NOBODY needs to die from this.

     

    references:  https://abcnews.go.com/Health/family-files-1st-wrongful-death-lawsuit-life-care/story?id=70122496

    Dr. Armstrong;  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYFR5AAPXE

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 1:40pm

    #64
    Insightfull417

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    Coronavirus presents as high altitude sickness?

    Just came across a post in a nurses group about how the Coronavirus has been presenting like HAPE (high altitude pulmonary edema).
    Could it be treated the same? Here’s the link:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7096066/

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 1:43pm

    #65
    Scottie

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    New Covid-19 crisis hits ICUs as more patients need dialysis

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/coronavirus-kidney-dialysis-need/index.html

    (CNN)Emergency room doctors say they are running into a new crisis as they struggle to treat patients with Covid-19 -- a shortage of dialysis machines and supplies.

    They say they are overwhelmed, not only because patients are going into kidney failure, but also because the body's intense reaction to the virus is often causing their blood to clot too much, and the clots are literally clogging up the dialysis filters.

    It's part of the new syndrome that doctors are seeing in Covid-19 patients. They are not dying from the pneumonia that has been one of the defining symptoms of serious Covid-19 disease, but from other systemic effects on their hearts and other organs.

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 1:45pm

    #66

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    You won’t believe this.

    CARES - you get - $1,200

    But wait

    43,000 millionaires in US - they each get on average - wait for it -   1.6 million

     

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 2:19pm

    #67

    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Joined: Feb 06 2011

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    And lastly, more on the quarantine

    Some observations about time spent around the Coronavirus period…anything sound familiar...

     

    • Half of us are going to come out of this quarantine as amazing cooks. The other half will come out with a drinking problem.

     

    • I used to spin that toilet paper like I was on Wheel of Fortune. Now I turn it like I'm cracking a safe.

     

    • I need to practice social distancing from the refrigerator.

     

    • Couldn’t decide where to go for Easter ----- The Living Room or The Bedroom

     

    • PSA: every few days try your jeans on just to make sure they fit. Pajamas will have you believe all is well in the kingdom.

     

    • Homeschooling is going well. 2 students suspended for fighting and 1 teacher fired for drinking on the job.

     

    • I don't think anyone expected that when we changed the clocks we'd go from Standard Time to the Twilight Zone

     

    • This morning I saw a neighbor talking to her cat. It was obvious she thought her cat understood her. I came into my house, told my dog.... we laughed a lot.

     

    • So, after this quarantine....will the producers of My 600 Pound Life just find me or do I find them?

     

    • Quarantine Day 5: Went to this restaurant called THE KITCHEN. You have to gather all the ingredients and make your own meal. I have no clue how this place is still in business.

     

    • My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

     

    • Day 5 of Homeschooling: One of these little monsters called in a bomb threat.

     

    • I hope the weather is good tomorrow for my trip to Puerto Backyarda. I'm getting tired of Los Livingroom

     

    • Classified Ad: Single man with toilet paper seeks woman with hand sanitizer for good clean fun.

     

    • Day 6 of Homeschooling: My child just said "I hope I don't have the same teacher next year".... I'm offended

     

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 3:20pm

    #68
    john macintosh

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    Ecuador

    It appears that Covid 19 deaths in just one province may be over 11,000.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52324218

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 4:50pm

    #69
    wheresdavid

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    Would someone let Chris Martenson know that his efforts are impacting a small Northern Minnesota town ...

    Brief background.  I live in a small Northern Minnesota town at the end of the road, Ely Mn.  We have an elderly population and there is much debate about "reopening" town to "outsiders" this summer.  My town depends on tourists in the summer.

    We all know that the best way to slow the spread of the virus (other than locking everyone down) is if everyone wears a mask while in public (as well as practicing social distancing and washing hands).  Well today, when I was leaving the local hardware store (I know I shouldn't be out but I was wearing an N95 mask and the nearest reported case is over 60 miles away.  I know the Honey badger is sneaky. That aside, when I was leaving the store, there was a gentleman (Levi) leaving boxes of gloves and masks for people to wear while they are shopping.  We started chatting, he asked me if I heard of what the Czechs were doing and I said yes.  He was a bit shocked.  I told him I've been preparing since the end of January and asked him if he heard of  Chris Martenson.  He said, and I quote, "He is the best person to follow".  Long story short, he started an "organization in our community (because of Chris' videos) where people are making masks and giving them out free to the two grocery stores, and hardware stores ...  He is trying to get everyone to wear a mask when out in public.  He even started a website, ELYmasks.org that is promoted on Facebook ...  I think there is more we can do as a town to get people to wear masks, and I think people are willing to do what it takes.

    I tried to get some high school kids to make the "paper towel" face masks for the stores.  Said they might save someones life.  Told them that when they get out of college and have a job interview one of the questions might be, "what did you do with your time during the Covid crisis."  I told them that saying something like, "I saw a way to help my community. I took the inititive and got a group of fellow students together and we made face masks for local businesses to provide to their customers to help protect our community sounded better than saying they face timed their friends.  Well they didn't think so.  I think ELYmasks.org can make this happen and in so doing, save some lives.   So I like to give a shoutout to Chris for helping to lesson the impact on my community!

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  • Fri, Apr 17, 2020 - 5:59pm

    Broadspectrum

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    Fantastic Story About Small Northern Minnesota Town

    Hello wheresdavid,

    I just want to say that is a super duper story and thanks for sharing.  You just never know...

    Broadspectrum

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  • Sat, Apr 18, 2020 - 2:04pm

    #71
    ChrisKon

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    Daily Case Fatality Graphs

    Hi Chris,

    Came across your Day 1 video the day it was released and have been following you ever since. Love your daily videos, they have helped so many of us prepare for the unprecedented.

    I noticed your investigation into Daily Case Fatality Rates and thought I would share my data. I started a spreadsheet capturing key data from worldometer.com namely, infections, deaths, recoveries and resolved stats for a few countries. Over time I expanded the data set to include the top 40 countries. Attached are some of my Daily Case Fatality Rate (DCFR) graphs. What is interesting is some regions haven't experienced the gradual run-up of the DCFR figure as time goes on whilst other regions certainly have. I haven't as yet tried generating the DCFR graphs using a 7-day offset. Will give this a try and see if I notice anything different. Keep up the awesome work.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Chris

    Daily Case Fatality Graphs

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