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    Shamefully Ignorant Journalists…

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    by Chris Martenson

    Friday, December 11, 2020, 8:13 AM

Understanding the ways in which the media seeks to control the narrative and sway your opinions is explored by dismantling two recent shamefully crafted hit pieces that went after Dr. Kory and his Covid Critical Care Team.

Once you learn to spot leading phrases and slanted and biased words you gain power.

No longer can you be so easily manipulated by media hacks. You’ll regain your ability to be in control of your own ideas, thoughts and emotions.

In this episode, I explore how one of the most accomplished medical teams in the world, was characterized by the media as “fringe” and “conspiracy types” without any supporting context or evidence of any sort. It was smear-by-association only.

It was also deeply regrettable and displayed either a profound ignorance by the journalists involved (Steve Benen, Catie Edmondson, & Nicholas Fandos), or a deep, dark malice.

You decide.

Today’s Links:

MSNBC hit piece

NYTimes hit piece

Meta Review of Ivermectin (Pre-Print) – This is MEGA IMPORTANT!

Dr Kory and his team at Covid Critical Care

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 8:45am

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    richcabot

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    Politicized medicine

    It's been politicized for years but it shifted into high gear when Fauci and the Who started rigging the trials.

    These reporters aren't ignorant, they're intentionally obfuscating and distorting the facts.

    I no longer think it's just about the pharma profits.  They're trying to reshape society in fundamental ways.  Fear motivates people and the establishment traffics in it.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 8:52am

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    It's Not

    Stop watching main stream media and give independent news outlets a chance.  Like Newsmax and One American News Network.  On recent evenings Newsmax has interviewed Ron Johnson and at least two of the doctors including Kory.  The proliferation of demeaning articles surfaced before anyone really would have had an opportunity to view the testimony.  It's NARRATIVE.  From far higher up the ladder.  The writers were told what they had to say.  Of course Gary Peters knocked the testimony.  He's a democrat.  Just more of the severely politicized treatment of all things C19.

    Discredit all possible early treatments so the not-ready-for-primetime vaccines can obtain emergency use authorization standing, Trump looks like a buffoon, and the public is wrapped in perpetual fear.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 9:09am

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    jhwaters

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    Thanks

    I know you've taken a lot of flak for this, and will take more.

    The campaign against people like you and Dr. Kory is appalling, but also revealing.

    I'm grateful for your work in bringing some rationality to the whole pandemic story, and especially grateful for your refusal to back away from the truth in the face of attacks by those whose interests are threatened by that truth.

    Responding to richcabot:

    I think the journalists uncritically believe what they are told by their masters.

    They've learned that doing actual journalism is not a good career move.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 9:10am

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    Go Deeper

    Admin:  LOL.  Deleted. You might as well have written:

    Hi.  I'm a ridiculously obvious troll.  I made this account just minutes ago and am now trying to crap all over this site and Chris because that's what I'm paid to do.  Please ignore me as a useless idiot. Thanks.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 9:53am

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    Big John: request for information

    Big John wrote:

    [Chris] Martenson would better serve us by looking closely at the science that refutes ivermectin and determining how valid that is.

    If you are aware of information refuting the effectiveness of IVM for COVID could you please post it here so that we can look at it?

    I understand your point that a non-emotional presentation style and content carries more weight with the scientific community.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 9:59am

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    Blaggers

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    Ivermectin Clinical Trials In Canada

    Just came across a company in Toronto that seems to be having great success with it's preclinical trials of Ivermectin.

    https://www.mountainvalleymd.com/company/about-mvmd

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 10:11am

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    Authority

    Years ago there was a commercial which showed a couple goofy guys in front of a repair shop, one of whom said "We have lots of experience with transmissions, heck we've repaired this transmission 17 times".

    So yes, experience and publishing peer reviewed papers doesn't guarantee that someone's judgement about a topic is to be accepted unconditionally.  Nobody's should be.  However it does mean that the person should be listened to and critically evaluated, not written off.  If your group has thousands of peer reviewed publications and hundreds of years combined experience treating patients you have earned some credibility.  The only mitigating factor should be whether your or your work is financed by someone with a vested interest in the outcome.  That's where people like Fauci and the WHO fall flat.  Fauci has extensive ties to pharma and the WHO is financed by Bill Gates who has massive investments in vaccine manufacturing.

    I agree about Chris's demeanor in the videos.  Dr Kory's testimony is much more powerful precisely because he comes across as sincere, not arrogant.

    I also agree that dissecting the anti Ivermectin material would be worthwhile.  It would also be useful to invest some time in studying how people respond to presentation.  I was sent the following in response to sharing Chris's material with a friend:

    "or maybe some peer reviewed studies show it doesn't do anything and there's the need to investigate further?

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0242184

    Despite https://ivmmeta.com/ it's not clear to me how valid all of those are and/or if the studies were cherry picked.   It may well be this treatment is effective but when the argument for its use is there's a conspiracy theory to stop its use then its a huge mark against it.  The doctors that I know would be all over a treatment that they had confidence in."

    The goal shouldn't be to ridicule people, it's to spread the truth, save lives and save what's left of peoples livelihoods.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 10:59am

    richcabot

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    Overreaction

    Chirs, I think you overreacted to Big John's post.  He was skeptical but I don't think he was a troll.

    He made some points that both Sand Puppy and I agreed with.  I posted the link to an article that was put to me as refuting the evidence for Ivermectin.  It used patients with advanced cases who were already on steroid treatment and, big surprise, didn't find an improvement.  However the 23 study summary didn't show it so my friend thinks the summary study cherry picked results.

    It's hard not to have an emotional reaction to push-back when we see the evidence as compelling.  I get those feelings too.  The goal is to convince the skeptical and part of that is to listen to them.  Remember the advice of the professor you had on many months back.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 11:17am

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    VincitVeritas

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    If you look back and wonder...

    This is part of the history of how science died.

    Our grandchildren will look back and ask how science died, and this video will be part of the story (along with others Chris has put out).

    I studied biology, biochem, chemistry, botany, and business admin for my upper education at an agricultural college.  We regularly had Monsanto reps hijack an entire lecture with anecdotal arguments, bandwagon appeals in rhetoric, and ad hominem attacks at anyone questioning gain-of-function frankenfoods that they manufactured.  I had a lot of fun those days and made sure to grab a seat directly in front of the stage in the lecture halls because I saw these sessions as a chance to educate others with my interjections and embarrass the evil narcissists that Monsanto sent to make impressions on the impressionable (basically drug reps).  In some cases, my professor would have to pull me aside as I effectively derailed the Monsanto reps propaganda session with questions they could not answer and research they vehemently defamed as it was not funded by them.  The simple question that was always effective at getting me in trouble was: "Can you explain why Monsanto spends so much on media coverage, and how would you describe your company's influence on our country's agricultural policy - global policy?"

    My experiences with being the Monsanto heckler perfectly illustrate what is going on in science today.  "Top" scientists will never address the elephant in the room which is the shameful degree in which politics and money have encroached on the territory of true science being carried out.  Why would there be a need for pumping PR money into a scientific endeavor?  Why are the most cited studies almost always funded by the very same special interests that use them as a defense against competing theories?  Adding to that, why would they also make attempts to conceal the source of funding by funneling it through many different NPOs etc.?  Take note that most scientists that find flaws in big-agra/big-phamra (same thing really - chemical companies) either have their work retracted from publication, have their credibility attacked, or are "out-published" by the big companies as they have the advantage of nearly limitless funding.  Go ahead and try to obtain grant funding from Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to find a non-vaccine route to push back this "epidemic."  I wont hold my breath for your award.

    Another way that science is/has dying/died is this ultra-cringe approach of science by consensus.  This one is ALWAYS used by media outlets.  We have been intentionally conditioned to have short attention spans and communicate in very terse and informationally-deficient ways.  Social media is not designed to be a tool to convey useful information or pursue a logical debate on said information.  Many people dont understand the technical details of science and have no desire to.  This is, unfortunately, unacceptable in our current age.  This intellectually lazy approach has revealed an exploit that makes "scientific consensus" an acceptable argument rather than applying true, scrutinizing rigor to mainstream theories - yes, even from the little guys.

    So when I say that science has died, maybe it is really more that critical thinking, logic, and civil public debate have died (along with common sense).  All I know is my personal experience, and I can tell you that being a scientist with an inquisitive nature without bounds and an unyielding insistence for integrity is not what makes a successful "scientist" these days, though it rightly should.

    The quintessential essence of what it means to "science" something is outlined by the scientific method.  Hypotheses proposed in science should not be interred into the annals of scientific fact based on popularity.  In fact, quite the opposite approach is what has led us to deeper understandings of the underlying mechanisms in the world around us.

    Silver Lining: After civilization collapse, there can be a period of renaissance.  let us all hope and pray things go this direction as we are in dire need of furthering our technology lest we become the main factor of our own extinction.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 11:21am

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    Negative Standard Dose Ivermectin Study, very small

    Lack of efficacy of standard doses of ivermectin in severe COVID-19 patients

    A standard dose of ivermectin was given to a small number (13) patients late in the disease without obvious benefit.

    The discussion contains this (and some references) which seems important:

    In the last years, high doses of IVM have been evaluated for the treatment of soil-transmitted helminths [710] and as a new vector control tool to reduce malaria transmission in malaria endemic areas [11]. Recent studies have evaluated doses up to 800 μg/kg, given in single dose or three consecutive days [91112], showing a good safety profile both in adult and paediatric populations. Subjective ocular problems such as transitory blurred vision appeared, but no severe adverse events were reported with these high doses [1112].

    These findings, including a recent meta-analysis of the safety of high doses of ivermectin [7], add evidence of the safety of IVM at doses up to 800 μg/kg, which has a safety profile comparable to lower doses of 200 or 400 μg/kg. Moreover, the results of the meta-analysis do not suggest an increased number of adverse events with increasing doses of IVM. The maximum doses of IVM given to study participants have been published in a study with a limited number of participants, in which doses up to 2000 μg/kg were received by 12 participants, showing a similar rate of adverse events than those receiving placebo [13]. However, the antiviral efficacy of these high doses of IVM should be still evaluated in clinical studies, since some authors have recently suggested that in vitro inhibitory concentrations of 5umol/L (those needed for a total eradication of SARS-CoV-2 in in vitro studies) would not be attainable even using high doses of ivermectin (2000ug/kg) [414].

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    Several References

    4.Caly L, Druce JD, Catton MG, Jans DA, Wagstaff KM. The FDA-approved Drug Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro. Antiviral Res. 2020:104787.

    7.Navarro M, Camprubí D, Requena-Méndez A, et al. Safety of high-dose ivermectin: a systematic review and meta-analysis. J Antimicrob Chemother. 2020;75(4):827–834.

    8.Muñoz J, Ballester RM, Antonijoan RM, et al. Safety and pharmacokinetic profile of fixed-dose ivermectin with an innovative 18mg tablet in healthy adult volunteers. PLoS Negl Trop Dis. 2018;12(1):e0006020. pmid:29346388

    9.Wimmersberger D, Coulibaly JT, Schulz JD, et al. Efficacy and safety of ivermectin against Trichuris trichiura in preschool-aged and school-aged children: a randomized controlled dose-finding trial. Clin Infect Dis 2018; 67: 1247–55.

    10.Buonfrate D, Salas-Coronas J, Muñoz J, et al. Multiple-dose versus single-dose ivermectin for Strongyloides stercoralis infection (Strong Treat 1 to 4): a multicentre, open-label, phase 3, randomised controlled superiority trial. Lancet Infect Dis. 2019;19(11):1181–1190.

    11.Smit MR, Ochomo EO, Aljayyoussi G, et al. Human Direct Skin Feeding Versus Membrane Feeding to Assess the Mosquitocidal Efficacy of High-Dose Ivermectin (IVERMAL Trial). Clin Infect Dis. 2019;69(7):1112–1119.

    14.Momekov G, Momekova D. Ivermectin as a potential COVID-19 treatment from a pharmacokinetic point of view: antiviral levels are not likely attainable with known dosing regimens. Biotechnology & Biotechnological Equipment, 34:1, 469–474.

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    This last reference by Momekov gives the opinion that the virocidal effects that Caly demonstrated of Ivermectin on SC2 infected tissue culture cells will not be seen in humans as it is just not possible to get the drug concentrations in humans using "known dosing regimens."

    So this is a summary of the "ivermectin is not effective" literature.

    I don't see discussion of the differential concentration of ivermectin by different tissues (known to be concentrated in lung tissue in cattle, for example) or the multiple studies showing clinical evidence of benefit.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 12:31pm

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    collapse of civilizations that live in a dreamworld

    VincitVeritas
    Thank you for your comment.
    Could you take this a step further and relate the degree of science loss with failure of a person or of a people?

    When growing up, we learned that we had advanced out of a medieval past dominated by superstitions and old wives tales.  We had a comfortable modern life because of the power of science to cut through the nonsense and finally allow us to really understand physical reality and abandon superstition.  .And, the real big institutional failures of the modern world come from abandonment of logical thought.  The destruction of the German army by stupidly going into Russia/Ukraine on foot during the winter; Japanese stupidly antagonizing an America having much more resources based on a belief in genetic superiority; Lysenko convincing Russian agriculture that they could feed the country by growing wheat in the winter , come to mind here as dreamworlds leading to failure.  Arent we faced now with this kind of wide-scale dreamworld idiocy?

    We should be able to map out the MSM mass delusion dreamworld phenomenon with failure.  For example, which country is most broken by departing from using science as a reality check?  Can we predict a more rapid collapse of America after the fascists force millions to take an un-safety tested vaccine based on a completely new type of biochemistry that in animal models caused a large percentage of death?  I dont know about you but I look forward to our political class enjoying being the first in line to take their stupid vaccine that they believe so much in.

    Is it possible to give a % reality vs dreamworld rating for countries or groups based on rejection of rational thought?  It seems that such comparative knowledge would be very powerful and give an advantage to those of us who want to accumulate wealth or just prosperity.

    Is there a chart or table that rates each country based on how unscientific its medical system is? Anyone who makes such chart would have some really valuable property. I would love to see this kind of analysis replace the political arguments on this forum.
    Ditto with energy.  some countries and regions are living in a dream state with respect to energy.  Why cant we quantify this and use such knowledge for our own peak prosperity?   Isnt this the kind of thing that people do who want to make a killing in real estate?  In other words they get rich by seeing the true value of things while others are living in dreamstates.
    Maybe instead of wringing our hands and bitching about the MSM we should take advantage of the fact that we live in  a sea of dreamstater lemmings that absolutely must go over that cliff.  In contrast we can quietly inherit the rich benefits of following science. No need to squander precious time arguing against the fantasy worlds of the Faucchis and the politicians and their dreamstater followers.
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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 4:33pm

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    Mike from Jersey

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    Bravo

    Bravo, Chris.

    Call out the New York Times for  exactly what it is - a useless propaganda rag.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 5:30pm

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    Make your board of shame - because i say all these people are criminally and civilly negligent

    I think we start a thread of board of shame of all these people,  And perhaps someday we take these people to court when all the facts come out and we look back at how they managed to cause the damage.   AND we hold them responsible.. their actions are reprehensible.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 6:32pm

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    Critics everywhere...

    He made some points that both Sand Puppy and I agreed with.  I posted the link to an article that was put to me as refuting the evidence for Ivermectin.  It used patients with advanced cases who were already on steroid treatment and, big surprise, didn't find an improvement.  However the 23 study summary didn't show it so my friend thinks the summary study cherry picked results.

    So, you don't like humor and you think I should entertain every troll, just to be, uh, rigorous?  I disagree.

    Also, the study you cited isn't a study at all.  The headline is grabby but it just as well could have read "Lack of efficacy of tocilizumab,  high doses of steroids,  tocilizumab and steroids in combination, tocilizumab and steroids and anakinra in combination, siltuximab, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, lopinavir/ritonavir,  Remdesivir, ivermectin, and beta-interferon in severe Covid patients."

    Because that's the actual list of things they threw at these crashing patients.  All 26 of them total, in both arms (13 each).

    Regardless of all but the most severe differential in outcome, this was certain to be an underpowered study that would not have yielded significant results.

    But it did yield results.  3/13 (23.1%) that did not get IVM went into the ICU while only 2/13 (15.4%) that did receive IVM went into the ICU.

    But I'm not going to try and make anything out of that at all.  These too few patients received a massive and confusing cocktail of treatments.

    But back to the main point.  The troll showed up insisting  that I perform some more work to present to them and the world, while having a really sour, demanding tone.

    Par for the course.  We're over enemy territory.  Easy to spot, and, no, I don't feel it necessary to jump at every possible demand that I do this or that in order to satisfy some random brand new stranger.  Makes sense, right?

    As always I prefer people come with data.  You brought a paper.  It's super weak and absolutely nothing can be concluded from it and talking about it won't improve the believability of the rest of the data.  It's a distraction.

    I too would not include it in a summary of IVM.  It's underpowered and a hot mess of potent drugs given in various amounts and combinations to subsets of an already too small sample.

     

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 7:42pm

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    2retired said:

    The discussion around the angst of having people choose and champion no effective solution instead an effective one, is not unfamiliar to me as a retired surgeon. It reminds me of a patient I was seeing in the emergency department with a smashed face (multiple #s), who was not distressed by his injury but he was  inconsolable about his inability to stop people from speeding off the precipice that he had just managed to climb out of; people had swerved around him on the slick, black, rain covered highway as he tried to flag them down, cursing and swearing, some shaking fists as they sped off into the dark night (and into the abyss of the washed out canyon) to their deaths (10 or 12 died). Eventually he managed to stop a car (almost being run over) and then other cars stopped as well. A debris flow had taken out a bridge and a section of the highway. There was not much I could say.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 8:09pm

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    Strategy to get Ivermectin out there

    Right now Ivermectin is on the cusp of either being disappeared by mainstream media or tied to the Republican/Trump bandwagon.  How can we avoid this?

    I would suggest that Chris should put together a video that is purely dedicated to the Ivermectin studies and science, one without much conversation about censorship or other topics... essentially a sales pitch video version of a power point and that we try to get that in the hands of people on the left who are known to be somewhat outside the mainstream.  People like Andrew Yang, Tulsi Gabbard, Matt Taibbi, Bret Weistein even Jimmy Dore.  We need to paint this with a bipartisen brush quickly to avoid being HydroChloroquined.  The next person to try and get a hold of would be Joe Rogan.  A possible news show to target would be thehill.com

    In addition to introducing the treatment to some of these big celebrities it could also be used at the individual level when show friends and family not to mention if you get covid and need something to convince your local doctor to give you a prescription.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 8:25pm

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    Strategy to get Ivermectin out there

    Earlier today I mention Nassim Taleb's Minority Rule as possible inspiration but your idea might be better.   The Tipping Point mentality is all about Maven's and Sales People.

     

    I am neither though I could maybe be a bit of a Maven on my best days.  Chris is for sure a Maven but we need those sales people in the mix too.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 9:15pm

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    The worst thing that could happen....

    If the first big media person to mention Ivermectin is Tucker Carlson (who has shown some ability to step outside the mainstream narrative in the past) then Ivermectin will always and forever be painted with a Right-wing brush.  We need people on the left to bring it up first.  Then the people on the right can follow.

     

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 11:02pm

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    RJ & HB

    Ron Johnson: isn't he the one who's been digging into Hunter Biden's sordid affairs? Could that be one reason the NYT went on the attack?

    Thanks for making the clip. Watching now - brilliant as always!

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 11:55pm

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    nyhetersverige said:

    It would be nice to get rid of this 'left-right' thing. The people on the left in the US today are full-blown crazy, and they're unethical too.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 12:00am

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    You can't cure stupid. And stupid should be painful. ☹️

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 12:02am

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    nyhetersverige said:

    It didn't happen yesterday either. Good old Bill Keller, Judith Miller, Nicholas Kristof ... 😡

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 12:40am

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    nyhetersverige said:

    Agree. Newsmax has a 24/7 web feed. It'd be nice if OAN did the same. (Why don't they?)

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 4:44am

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    Getting the word out

    I think being able to hand out peer-reviewed papers from reputable journals will be more effective than videos.  And especially when the papers are based on treatments within the US.  I'm so hopeful that Science accepts Kory et al's paper, that would be awesome.  My doctor wasn't going to watch a video, but I had three very good papers to hand her to review, ones that have been cited to here.  You can forward them to your friends by email to print out for their doctors.   Because "science" is what might eventually get someone's attention.  As Kory explained, frontline doctors had to do an end run around CDC/RDA/NIH/NIAID's refusal to do the studies.  HCQ got away from us because the HCQ studies were done, but fraudulently and intentionally carelessly.   We already have good support for ivermectin so we're a stage ahead of those who would not want to find IVM effective.   And as soon as some of the vaccines get their unwarranted emergency use approvals there will be less drive to discredit IVM.

    But I'm not knocking videos!  For those who want to understand the mechanism of action, they can be invaluable.  Especially when presented by someone like Chris.  An assemblage of both.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 4:55am

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    Avoid linking to NYTimes and MSNBC directly

    Chris, you should link to the archive.org pages of the NYTimes and MSNBC to avoid getting traffic to their websites. The less traffic to the presstitutes, the better.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 5:16am

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    More Media Attention to Ivermectin

    On Thursday, Naked Capitalism  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Capitalism) included links to studies on Ivermectin.

    #COVID19

    Ivermectin is having a moment, due to Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearings:

    Study of the Efficacy and Safety of Topical Ivermectin + IotaCarrageenan in the Prophylaxis against COVID-19 in Health Personnel Journal of Biomedical Research and Clinical Investigation. Submission to publication was one week; I conclude no peer review. n=220 health care workers. The statistics are above my pay-grade; here is the narrative:

    In the present two clinical trias, the ethnic and age characteristics, previous health, personal protection measures, performance areas, work hours, and type of patients assisted were the same in each arm.

    If we consider the following facts:

    1) Drops and sprays are a major source of human-to-human transmission.

    2) The sources mentioned above depend on different sizes of saliva droplets.

    3) The contagion comes from symptomatic and asymptomatic patients.

    4) The proportion of asymptomatic patients exceeds 30% of all cases.

    5) The concentration of ivermectin and carrageenan is adequate in the nasal mucus and salivary glands.

    6) The combined oral solution can offer double protection: on the one hand, it reduces the spread and, on the other hand, it reduces the viral load.

    7) Both (ivermectin and carrageenan) are present in the international pharmacopoeia, and their use is widely accepted.

    8) Their respective “off label” applications do not involve any risk.

    9) Health Personnel are constantly at risk of contagion, thus locking down all their co-workers, and preventing the community from the access to appropriate health care.

    We conclude that by using ivermectin in oral solution and carrageenan in nasal spray form, we are providing an inexpensive, safe and effective means to protect people from contagion and serious forms of the disease.

    The Therapeutic Potential of Ivermectin For Covid-19: A Systematic Review of Mechanisms and Evidence (preprint) medRxiv. A review of the literature. Results: “Search keywords- “COVID-19 (and synonyms) AND ivermectin”- generated 86 articles on PubMed, 48 on medRvix and 37 on clinicaltrials.gov at the time of writing. Twelve of these were listed as completed clinical trials and of these, 8 were included as investigators had released results. Positive mortality benefit, reduced time to clinical recovery, reduced incidence of disease progression and decreased duration of hospital admission were reported in patients across all stages of clinical severity.”

    The effect of early treatment with ivermectin on viral load, symptoms and humoral response in patients with mild COVID-19: a pilot, double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial (preprint) Research Square. From the Abstract: “Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro at concentrations not readily achievable with currently approved doses. There is limited evidence to support its clinical use in COVID-19 patients. We conducted a Pilot, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial to determine the efficacy of a single dose of ivermectin to reduce the proportion of PCR positives, viral load at day 7 post treatment….Among patients with mild COVID-19 and no risk factors for severe disease receiving a single 400 mcg/kg dose of ivermectin within 48 hours of fever or cough onset there was no difference in the proportion of PCR positives. There was however a marked reduction of anosmia/hyposmia, a reduction of cough and a tendency to lower viral loads and lower IgG titers which warrants assessment in larger trials.”

    A five day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness International Journal of Infectious Diseases. December 2. From the Abstract: “A 5-day course of ivermectin was found to be safe and effective in treating mild COVID-19 adult patients. Larger trials will be needed to confirm these preliminary findings.” Placebo-controlled study in hospital, n=72, Bangladesh.

    White paper on Ivermectin as a potential therapy for COVID-19 Indian Journal of Tuberculosis. The Abstract: “A group of senior doctors with vast clinical experience met on 19th July’20 under the aegis of Academy of Advanced Medical Education. The panel looked at Ivermectin, one of the old molecule and evaluated it’s use in COVID 19 (Novel Coronavirus Disease 2019) management. After critical panel discussion, all the attending doctors came to a conclusion that Ivermectin can be a potential molecule for prophylaxis and treatment of people infected with Coronavirus, owing to its anti-viral properties coupled with effective cost, availability and good tolerability and safety.”

    Treating Covid-19: When enthusiasm trumps evidence Ojo Publico. Good overview.

    What’s Up With Ivermectin? Derek Lowe, “In The Pipeline,” Science. Another good overview; from May, still germane.

    While Naked Capitalism (https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/), would not be considered "mainstream media," the blog has a solid readership.  It's heartening to see positive mention of Ivermectin in sites other than Peak Prosperity.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 5:50am

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    David Brooks condescends to rural people who “have no contact with the expert class”

    I think David Brooks has discovered what your problem is Chris: you live a deprived life in rural America where you don’t have contact with the expert class, like himself. That’s how your ignorance and conspiracy theories form and grow. But be of good cheer: experts like David Brooks are coming to enlighten you and help you be a better person.

    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/12/09/arrogant-dem-quote-of-the-week-rural-americans-have-no-contact-with-the-expert-class-1003898/

    New York Times op-ed columnist David Brooks ignited a wave of backlash after insulting rural Americans who have no contact with the “expert class.”

    The political commentator’s pompous contention, during an appearance on MSNBC, that the right feeds on conspiracy theories and have been “left behind” while those in blue cities are “thriving,” sparked much head-scratching and criticism on social media.

    A video clip of Brooks speaking to MSNBC’s Katy Tur last week was posted on Twitter by Rashad Robinson, president of the progressive racial justice organization, Color of Change.

    While Robinson’s views may not typically align with those of Republicans and supporters of President Donald Trump, his reaction to Brooks’ comments on those thriving in “blue cities” was echoed by many others on Twitter.

    “Look at how much more Republicans are affected by conspiracy theories than the Democrats, so it can’t just be the internet, there must be some demand,” Brooks said, pointing out the “two core problems.”

    “A lot of people in the expert class live in blue cities who are thriving,” he claimed. “And a lot of people left behind in the rural parts of America, they feel threatened economically, culturally, socially and they have no contact with the expert class.”

    He went on to contend that “those of us in the expert class – journalism and academia – have to do a better job of reaching out in post-Trump, establishing relationships and showing some respect,” he said.

    Brooks added that there also has to be economic policies “so people don’t feel threatened,” suggesting that the way to “cure distress” is by “keeping promises to people who are unlike yourself.”

    Reacting to the remarks, Robinson tweeted his confusion and asked, “Who exactly is thriving in ‘blue cities’?”

    “Maybe you are ‘thriving’ but millions of people of color around you, who make your thriving life possible, are most definitely not,” Robinson tweeted, calling out the network for “letting this misinformation go unchallenged.”

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 7:15am

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    RCT for ivermectin

    Wondering if there is a direct RCT study for ivermectin on covid 19? I  want to believe - please help me with some data . I have already gone through the metadata paper and Baghdad ivermectin RCT trail but it had only 70 patients. @sandpuppy ?? Thanks in advance

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 7:57am

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    egypt ivermectin vs HCQ

    https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v2

    Group I & II: Mild/Moderate

    Group III & IV: Severe

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 8:10am

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    Netlej said:

    Thanks Dave - About as clear as you can get, IVM rocks!

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 9:27am

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    jadevreede said:

    Well if the trials for vaccines's which are really gene engineering are using the useless PCR testing kit all their data and effectiveness percentages go down the drain. And it should.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 9:37am

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    Canuck21

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    Psyops

    This is all psyops. It is not individuals doing this. They may not even have written the article themselves (what under-40-year-old even knows the word 'phalanx'? it's almost a give away). It's organized government psyops to repress any opposition to the public's acceptance of vaccines for reasons of  national security (e.g. in the UK it is explicit), and it's Big Pharma psyops to boost their profits.

    Years ago I lived in Stockholm and did film narrations part time for recording studios. One regular job I had was to narrate the quarterly in-house videos of a certain giant Swedish Pharmaceutical company. I was never sent the scripts in advance (very unusual), I had to read them cold in the studio, and I could not take them home. The videos were only for in-company use. I vividly remember one sentence I had to read, in the context of "our quarterly profits are down". The sentence was: "We have to persuade people to take more drugs." More than a whiff of Big Tobacco there. So these are Very Big Forces to stand up against.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 10:16am

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    Missed the point

    Chris, you misunderstood my point.  I've been sending information to friends and family, including links to your public posts.  Several have pushed back.  I quoted one as an example.  The paper is what he cited to me in his response.   My point is that he found that on his own (I assume it's one of the first hits in a Google search, I didn't check).  Since it wasn't mentioned or debunked in anything I had sent him his conclusion was that the 23 study summary used cherry picked results.  I responded citing many of the flaws in the study he cited but I doubt it convinced him that the original survey article wasn't biased.

    As for the original post, I don't recall it sounding like a troll.  I can't re-examine that judgement since you pulled the post.

    As for the issue of style, I don't believe the joking style comes off well to a significant chunk of the public.  I think it limits your reach.  I see it in the body language and hear it in the comments of my wife when I convince her to watch one of them, and she has at least some receptivity after having attended last years seminar.   Trust in the main stream media and the political party line runs deep in many people.  I have lots of family wired like that.  I see the psychology of it up close.

    I appreciate the work you put into these and look forward to each new video, but I'm already part of the tribe.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 10:34am

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    We support you, Chris

    We very much support you as you courageously bring you well researched perspective to the public, Chris.

    You are taking a stand on something that we both believe in.  Thank you for doing this.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 11:12am

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    KathyP

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    The cat's out of the bag - newest YouTube by Dr. John Campbell

    I wonder when this one will be censored.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 12:53pm

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    How Lead Stories LLC is behind some of these censorship initiatives...worth further research.

    Here is my recent FB post which talks about how this censorship is being conducted and some of the forces behind it...this is worthy of future research by the PP community as it has far-reaching consequences:

    For those of you interested in how this censorship at Facebook is being conducted, check out this latest Mike Huckabee interview of Candace Owens:  https://youtu.be/btnwI_C3Tw8  After watching this I just contributed $1000 towards Candace’s lawsuit against FB and US Today which you can read about at: https://www.factcheckzuck.com/  Of course I am fully aware of the irony that I am notifying you, my FB friends, about the censorship going on at FB through the FB platform itself…unfortunately until we get some true alternative communication options FB and Youtube have a stranglehold on the social media communication outlets which makes this censorship so much more concerning (imagine if our telephone system had certain words or thoughts you were not allowed to say over the phone).  I am also researching Alan Duke who is a 26 yr ex CNN reporter and cofounder of Lead Stories LLC which are both referenced in the Huckabee interview…its easy to see why so many are suspicious of media & social media employees role in election rigging (then blaming it on “Russia” or some other foreign bogeyman).  I am now in favor of some type of block-chain based communication tool that cannot be censored or hacked as these centrally controlled platforms have shown they are incapable of keeping their liberal/progressive biases out of their platforms.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 1:35pm

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    And the ignorant and hypocritical journalist hits just keep on coming

    https://jonathanturley.org/2020/12/12/cnns-april-ryan-strikes-out-at-reporters-disclosing-embarrassing-comments-from-joe-biden/

    We have been discussing the open bias shown by the media in the last four years. It is not clear if we can regain the ground lost for journalism as even journalism professors call for the rejection of objectivity in favor of advocacy. This has included shielding Joe Biden from any challenging questionsduring the recent election. That includes the news blackout on reporting on the Hunter Biden scandal, the subject of my column today in the Hill. CNN’s April Ryan personifies this trend. Even as the media is facing widespread criticism for burying the Hunter Biden story (and is now doing the same with the Swalwell scandal), Ryan lashed out at confidential sources responsible for leaking a recording of Joe Biden making embarrassing comments about the “defund the police” movement. Ryan is demanding to know who is responsible for allowing the embarrassing comments to be made public despite her past enthusiastic discussion of such leaks against President Donald Trump...

    The fact is that Ryan was just stating what has become the approach of many in the media. As we recently discussed, we are moving dangerously close to a de facto state media with the cooperation of Big Tech companies.  Ryan believes that it is outrageous to rely on unapproved material if it is critical of Joe Biden (despite her use of such material for the last four years against Trump).

    This week, CNN anchor Kate Bolduan was criticized for wearing a sweater stating “Facts First” as CNN was being criticized for its suppression of the Hunter Biden story and its lack of coverage of the Swalwell scandal.  Now one of its most prominent CNN analysts is declaring that journalists should not rely on unapproved material on Biden and that the confidential source for another media organization should be uncovered.  CNN has not expressed any disagreement with Ryan’s view of the new journalism.

    It is precisely the realization of the call for journalists to dispense with objectivityin favor of open advocacy.  What is clear is that, once reporters like Ryan dispense with objectivity, they also substitute it with open hypocrisy.

    🤦🏻‍♂️

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 1:53pm

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    In response to Mots...

    Hi Mots and thank you for your reply.  I apologize for my delayed response.

    I think what you propose would be helpful, but gathering factual metrics to populate said charts/graphs would be excruciatingly time consuming.  I am busy re-skilling at the moment which eats most of my day.  I can only convey my experiences to you and why I feel the way I do.  Trust me, there is more where that came from 🙂

    As for the legitimacy of the "expert" class as referenced in a post here, that would be difficult to lay out in a cut-and-dry fashion.  Many "experts" (*cough* Fauci *cough*) have had a red carpet laid out for them from their onset and refuting the many studies they have funded takes resources most do not have.  It is beyond me how someone can obtain an undergrad education in "Classics" then move on to be accepted in a prestigious and limited med program with no science background whatsoever.  Funny how his wife is in charge of bioethics at the NIH too...

    Anyhoo, science will never truly be dead as long as we always have inquisitive minds and wish to adhere to standardized measurements.  I suppose it would be more accurate to state that only the ethics has died in science, but ethics is the keystone to establishing a foundation of trust.

    There is much illusion in the modern world at this current point in time.  Many are being woefully misled.  If you can begin to see the magnitude of effort being made in usurping your free will and your critical thinking/logic, then you are on the right track to finding truth.  This proposal of determinism and moral relativity has caught on with younger generations, but is dismissed as complete nonsense from their elders.  These same young people are the ones who have grown up with social media and big tech - coincidence?  Why such a deceitful effort to subdue your voice if what you profess is the truth?  Why no debates surrounding inconsistencies?  Why the censorship?

    Where there is smoke, there is fire, friend.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 3:01pm

    Mots

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    "in favor of some type of block-chain based communication tool"

    CleanEnergyFan
    Your notion of "in favor of some type of block-chain based communication tool" is right on because we are just at the tip of the fascism and the ability to communicate via this website will be blocked within a few years (unless the owners change this into a kitten tricks sharing site or something like that).

    I advocate getting off the elite-controllable internet and using direct peer-to-peer communication wherein we send electromagnetic energy directly between each other in a manner that allows others to listen in and record erudite conversations between people who have insights worth sharing (which, admittedly presents its own challenges).

    We can do this world wide (if we pick our frequencies and times carefully) in text mode using only 100 watts.  Listeners would need 25$ of equipment although senders would need a few hundred dollars of hardware...... I wonder if anyone is interested in getting started on this infrastructure.

    You have chosen the name "CheanEnergyFan, Maybe you would be interested in my new book on this topic entitled "Take Back The Power!" available on amazon.com book section.  If you want to build something I can send you a free circuit board.  Soldering is easy to learn and building your own infrastructure outside the corporate world is fairly easy. This is described in the book, which is meant for a narrow audience of  DIY resilience enthusiasts, and is not advertised to the general public.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 3:50pm

    Carl

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    Another Source?

    Mots,

    Is there anyplace else that the book is available? I dislike feeding the beast.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 9:17pm

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    Etherium or something similar might ultimately be able to provide the blockchain communications backbone

    Thanks Mots…I would definitely be interested in a pier to pier information system but thought that is what the internet is so not sure I understand why we need some wifi or alternative system which might take a long time for mass adoption…I would prefer to continue to use the internet backbone.  I think a good non-censorable blockchain communications tool would fit the bill so we are not constrained by centralized entities such as FB, Youtube, Google or Twitter.  I think this might could be built in Etherium (and am starting to switch some of my Crypto investment toward Ether rather than just BTC to support the decentralized information movement).   Also I have gotten so concerned about this cancel culture movement in these big tech companies that I am starting to write comments on FB adds that state something like: “This looks like an interesting product but I am not buying it because that would support the FB business model of censoring content they don’t agree with so I am censoring products they support.”  We have to figure out how to hit these guys in the pocketbook but I am hopeful that blockchain holds the ultimate answer to this.  I will check out your book "Take Back The Power" as well…thanks for the tip.

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  • Sat, Dec 12, 2020 - 11:32pm

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    Trajectory of ivermectin information

    A single highly intelligent moron will write a story for a newspaper of record, like the N.Y Times. Less sagacious media pick up on the general tone and run with it, as if they are little children who can't question the 'adults.'

    The sense that something is or isn't bullshit then becomes firmly culturally entrenched to the point that various other New York Times reporters will echo  the same mistaken conclusions over and over, not realizing that the sure sense they have is entirely self referential--media wise.

    That is likely the trajectory the ivermectin story followed. Other topics are biased or straight up lies due to CIA involvement, direct or indirect.

    There is folk media and what is considered legitimate media.  Folk media can be superior, closer to the people, not as ivory tower. Other times, folk media lets people down because it covers itself in populism when it can be coming from very high up a different kind of food chain from an equally negative source.

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:05am

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    davefairtex

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    too much effort

    There is way too much effort behind this orchestrated campaign for it to be a "moron" doing the writing.  This is an ongoing disinformation/information suppression campaign which appears designed to keep Americans dying.

    Fauci and the NIH continue to piss down the backs of America.  It still isn't raining.

    That Ivermectin trial, once more:

    https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v2

    Science doesn't lie...but the NIH sure does.

    If we defunded the whole organization, we'd be better off.

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 12:41am

    Mots

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    Etherium or something similar might ultimately be able to provide the blockchain communications backbone

    Cleanenergyfan
    I share your enthusiasm for Etherium although I need to learn much more about it, maybe you can cite a website? I think that Etherium has a great future.

    The internet is definitely not peer to peer. The NSA and related agencies as well as private groups can grab/intercede/substitute or merely block specific messages or paths in a very intelligent manner and can even stop cyphered communication because such has to transit hardware. Lots of hardware.

    You also conclude that "alternative system which might take a long time for mass adoption…I would prefer tbo..." I am totally uninterested in mass communication. It's over man.   We are a minority and only get hurt by pushing our views on others.  We need to save ourselves, not start a new communication system for the masses.  The "remnant" is just that, a remnant.  The only people who will win these next battles/wars are those who walk away, dont fight, but preferably find a refuge somewhere and DIY our own life. I refer to a communication system for the remnant.

    I prefer to rely on the laws of nature and not on other people or their devices when I grow stuff, harvest energy or communicate. The further we get away from the basic machinations of nature by adding layers of human hardware/software/promises/services the more politics and corruption we have to endure. I prefer to rely on basic transistor circuits that I possess and exclusively control, and an ionosphere that is controlled by solar weather and not by an ISP provider, a self updating computer with backdoors, or even god forbid a smart phone, which is probably the most compromised/controlled-by-others-device ever conceived by anyone ever. I dont need confidentiality, I just need unhindered communications having true fidelity and integrity where we can communicate honestly.

    You mention "[w]e have to figure out how to hit these guys in the pocketbook" but overlook the fact that "money" and "market" valuations have no meaning.  We dont control any "marketplace" with "buying decisions."  We are not buyers of products.  No, WE are the product being sold.  Whether we have any money or not makes no real difference in the digital world we live in.  Merely bitching about control and not "buying" something is a discrete unit of data having some value that itself gets an appraisal and is sold like so much verbal sausage.

    I think that The Matrix had it right. We need to take the red pill and get the hell out of here.........

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 5:47am

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    Kat43

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    There IS an official narrative!

    MSM is almost entirely controlled by about 6 corporations (like Time Warner) or individuals (like Rupert Murdoch).  I have seen collages of news reports aimed at squelching anyone questioning vaccines or the swamp's political agenda.  Imagine a zoom image - dozens of squares with everyone saying exactly the same thing.  I assume adjusted to coordinate the time sequence so you can clearly make out what they're saying in near unison.  Del Bigtree has shown these on The Highwire.  Chris Salcedo showed one about a month ago on his Newsmax show.  I'm sorry I couldn't find an example for you.  As far as C19, it means getting Americans sick in ways that Big Pharma has control over how sickcare dollars are spent.

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 7:14am

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    A contact on the NIH and Ivermectin

    No surprise, here, but still I think it is worth posting:

    I forwarded Chris's blog post in Ivermectin and the video of Dr Kory's testimony to a few good friends.  One of them is very good friends with a senior medical staff person in the NIH.  He forwarded on these materials to this person.

    The reply way telling - his inquiry was taken seriously by this NIH person as a legitimate issue (not brushed off or downplayed).  The NIH staff person noted that "they are working on it, but its wickedly political".

     

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 7:31am

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    Looking like Goolagul works directly for Klaus' masters.

    Good Morning

    Beautiful sunny morning here.   Panama Guinea Pigs are all doin well- Will prepare my notes for the A Team work today resisting the reset and plan the two Christmas dinners and play some uplifting music, and feed the birds and be silent too.   The "new normal" is absolutely not allowed in my yard.

    At the same time, we need to keep an eye  - a close eye - on this and do our part as we can.   This time we need to "not just do something.... but stand there" also.

    Stand and stand tall.  Make them send their robots to collect us if it comes to that -which it well may if unchecked by the looks of the EU Parliament Legislative Report May 2020 on AI and Robotics (LACK of for at least six more years) Governance.  I will find it if anyone wants to see this, please PM me.

    Anyhow, I just searched on "Goolagul", "Fourth Industrial Revolution".  There are 380 hits on this topic which span 38 pages... I, went through all the pages and here are my observations:

    One need to reach the last page ..pg 38...to see anything that is not positive or that even questions.  There are only three videos hits 376, 377, 378, which question/critique and these were posted only 7, 5 and 1 day ago.  The last two hits are for some ambient music titled 4th Industrial Revolution, both posted one day ago.

    I see that the WEF has posted a lot of repeats and their known partners have also.

    At the end of page 38 of hits you see this.  This alert is not on the first page, or the next 36 pages so only at the very end of the hits...

    In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 380 already displayed.
    If you like, you can repeat the serch with the omitted results included.

    May I venture to say that the average unaware person is largely unaware due to trusting the narrative,  internal fears of waking etc, having no time, worrying about urgent things today like food, being down and tired/depressed to some degree, just wanting to quickly and simply understand things and be told what is going on from others, watch MSM for all their info, brainwashed already, are not deep and integral thinkers by nature.

    These people will feel so relieved  to see these pages of links all saying the 4th Ind Rev is great in this way and that.... be it prenatal medicine, early childhood education, helping the poorest of the poor.......and that their silly conspiracy friends are just that and that everything is fine.  They will sigh  --thankful that yet again the tireless, informed nd neutral volunteer fact checkers, as well as the establishment and media have assured them that everyting is as it should be.

    They will have never understood the original concept of sustainable development, which even from the old UN was :

    "For the greatest number of people, for the longest period of time, broaden people's choices through the realization of human potential. "

    Now they may indeed question if the globalists were to say to them that sustainable development is

    "For the greatest number of people, for the least amount of time, lessen people's choices through the realization of AI potential."

    So being the cagey SMART guy he is, Klaus and Co. will say "Sustainable Development is to hook yourself and your child up to Neuralink, biometrics and the Internet of Nanothings, to inclusively save the corals reefs and the whole world in a fair and equitable way, and empower Islamic women".

    That will sound OK to them.

    OK so therefore, when the unaware go to goolagul 99%, they will scan down the first, second, third pages at most likely, then they will see Price Waterhouse Cooper saying the plan is great, Anderson Cooper saying its really cool, and some other classic big shots saying it is fine...even some little African Companies have been flung in - so then they can also see the Harrisonian BLM is respected...

    What they will not see is that the concept of BLM anti-slavery fad was nothing more than the white tile, on the black and white checkered floor, the opposite, reverse and 180 degrees different to their true plan -

    which is inclusive and sustainable - global human slavery.

     

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 10:09am

    Mike from Jersey

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    Reply to Mary

    Mary,

    I just did the identical search on DuckDuckGo. I found an article pointing out the dangers of the "Fourth Industrial Revolution" on the first page of the results.

    No further commentary is needed except to state the obvious.

    I don't trust Google and I certainly don't use Google.

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 10:18am

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    Daily Situation Update

    Mike Adams who started Brighteon after being kicked off youtube and spent 2.5 million dollars of his own money to create an alternative provides a daily situation update. He is a private citizen who does have some information resources but does not represent any entity other than himself.

    Today's update

    - Blockades of democratic cities may start soon

    - Hit squads from alphabet organizations are starting.

    - Much more

    https://www.brighteon.com/fc65632e-e3c2-4b04-a686-3fe0a274cdae

    He may provide a piece if the puzzle you do not have. Or you might not agree or like him. But you get to choose.

     

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 10:25am

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    A contact on the NIH and Ivermectin

    Paul,

    Last night I got a call from old friend. He had found out about ivermectin and was calling me about it. The word is getting out despite the disinformation campaign against it.

    I think in 2021 we can expect more aggressive informational lockdowns. This may include blocking some sites completely. As another old friend recently told me, "The First Amendment? It means nothing to these people. They will start shutting down internet sites and no one will lift a finger to stop them."

    I agreed. To emphasize the point, I mentioned to him that the Fourth Amendment prohibits searches and seizures without probable cause, "but," I said, "you can bet that this phone call is being recorded as we speak and saved somewhere on an NSA server."

    These are the times in which we live.

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 1:03pm

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    Main stream Media self selects

    Dave,

    The hiring process for main stream media will select out independent thinkers.

    The media has been penetrated for years by letter agencies. The CIA and New York times are bedfellows. The CIA represents more the East Coast elite and the DIA is hand in glove with many many outlets.

    Imho, The CIA is totally status quo oriented. The DIA has become the biggest problem, currently and is heavily involved in right wing propaganda. They want a military dictatorship and they will use whoever is in office to get there, if they can, while they demonize centrists as being 'communists.' It's very divisive and, on the part of the DIA, seems intentionally so.

    The CIA has their propaganda and the DIA has theirs. There is intent there, on the part of some of the writers. They could easily be CIA hires. But for the most part, the day to day reporting is done by reporters who get a whiff of what's expected of them and are happy to comply. It's not a conscious decision.

     

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 1:06pm

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    Mike Adams

    I believe Mike Adams was anti-mask so probably shouldn't be taken seriously.

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 1:56pm

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    Kat43 said:

    Pro-mask/Anti-mask is not a valid reason for questioning the rest of a person's beliefs.

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 3:14pm

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    Ivermectin warning at Fleet Farm

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 3:18pm

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    Text on image

    Pic is probably too small to read but it reads in summary: a number of Durvet products contain the anti-parasite active ingredient ivermectin.  Despite media reports that Ivermectin could potentially be used to treat people with COVID-19, these products are not safe or approved for human use, which could cause severe personal injury or death.

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 3:42pm

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    Replying to Text on Image

    The mere fact that such a message is being posted means that "the word is getting out."

    That has a lot of significance.

    First, it means that people in significant numbers don't believe MSM propaganda sites and are looking elsewhere for information - and finding it.

    Second, the very disclaimer may produce the opposite effect from what was intended. People who have never heard about Ivermectin might see that sign and then run an internet search on it. If they run that search on any search engine but Google, they will come across studies from all over the world showing that ivermectin is an effective prophylaxis as well as an effective treatment for Covid-19.  I can just imagine someone looking at the search results and saying to themselves, "Why haven't I heard of this before? What is going on here?"

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 4:13pm

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    Free Publicity for IVM.. Thank you Fleet Farm

    Yep.. just bringing more attention to the matter.  Not a bad thing.

    As to disclaimers.. Do we really need such disclaimers?  will someone really sue a drug company because , something happened from taken meds designed for a horse?   dont be silly..  But , I can assure , no one will get harmed from this medicine..even if they take the amount prescribed for the horse.

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 4:48pm

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    But its a good place to start!

    The pro or anti-mask thing is a litmus test for me. Why, it's science even an 8 year old can understand! Gotta love it. If someone can't figure it out, I figure their opinions should be ignored altogether as they are either really dumb, or they are trying to sell me land in the Florida everglades. In other words, they think I am stupid. Either way, Nope. Not reading them.

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 5:05pm

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    partially correct

    I believe that they are partially correct in that the products intended for external use are not safe to be ingested by any mammal and those with multiple active ingredients may also be unsafe for ingestion by non-livestock mammals.

    As for the other products, there is probably more risk with them that for human products given the looser manufacturing standards, but some humans seem to be choosing to take that risk given the strong research based evidence supporting it's use to treat covid-19, the risk associated with leaving covid-19 untreated unless and until one is hospitalized, and the difficulty in obtaining the products intended for humans.

    Note: language chosen carefully to report what is actually happening.  No recommendations here!

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  • Sun, Dec 13, 2020 - 6:06pm

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    Honestly Id post a disclaimer like that in my store and I believe in Ivm

    A certain number of the people who "discover" Ivm on the internet are gonna down two whole syringes in one go and then their estate is gonna be looking for someone to blame.

     

    If anyone asked me about it, Id tell them why I like it but I'd also remind them that neither of us are doctors and that "You are on your own here cowboy."

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  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 6:27am

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    It's just CYA

    The disclaimer is just to protect the retailer.   They're still selling it and not just from behind the counter.  But note that it was provided by the manufacturer, LOL, so doesn't mean that the retailer even believes it.  Durvet must be getting a lot of grief, or else their attorneys are really nervous!

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  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 1:51pm

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    An Internal Medicine Doctor and His Peers Read the Pfizer Vaccine Study and See Red Flags

    At Naked Capitalism an IM doctor reviews (or, rather, shreds) an article in the New England Journal of Medicine on the Pfizer vaccine: (Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine).  Reading it I was left shaken.  We are in very dangerous territory with this vaccine.

    In his concluding paragraph he writes:

    My profession has been captured by a cabal of corporatist MBA clones, rapacious and unethical pharmaceutical entities, and an academic elite addicted to credentialism and cronyism. They have over the years bought off and infiltrated all of our government health care regulating agencies and our public health system.

    I implore all of you here to read the piece.

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  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 2:31pm

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    Debu I'm just getting started on that article but

    It sure looks top notch.   I love the kind of papers where you don't just learn about the thing, but also learn more about the broader profession or industry and this is clearly one of those.

     

    Those who like the way Chris comes at things would do well to give this one some time.  Its actually making me feel like Chris' next update can't come soon enough

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  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 3:02pm

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    Thanks Debu

    Naked Capitalism is imho one of the best, if not the best site out there for a wide range of topics. There are so many people who are rightfully suspicious of all of the vaccines rushed to market. I don't know a single person who is going to take any of them.

    Big pharma is a curse. Mitch McConnell refuses to sign onto the next stimulus bill unless it contains a rider that excuses Big Pharma from vaccine litigation. I suppose it could be rationalized away along the lines of "emergency measures," but as this industry is entirely compromised and untrustworthy, it is unlikely, imho.

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  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 3:30pm

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    Kat43 said:

    Big Pharma has liability protection from all the vaccines that ACIP approves for our kids, among others.  It has nothing to do with emergency measures.  It's how the United States runs its vaccine program.  And it's why vaccines are such an obscenely lucrative industry.  All profit, no downside.  The industry extorted this from Ronald Reagan in 1986 and it has carried forward.  If you are injured your only recourse is to sue the federal government in the Vaccine Court, and those lawyers know how to keep you from getting any compensation.

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  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 3:35pm

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    Scary article

    The thing that scares me the most is the "boosterism" by NEJM in their editorial.

    It is not only unprofessional but reeks of bias.

    How can you call a mRNA vaccine (which has never been tried in a human population before)  a "triumph" before it is even released?

    It seems like they are shilling for Big Pharma.

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  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 4:09pm

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    agitating prop

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    From can of worms into the sewer

     

    From the Naked Capitalism Article

    Now we travel from the can of worms to the sewer. And this impacts every single one of us. I want you to Google the names of the people on the FDA committee that voted 17-4-1 two days ago to proceed with the Emergency Use Declaration. Go ahead – Google it. On that list, you will find the name Eric Rubin, MD. Why yes indeed, that is the very same Eric Rubin MD who wrote this editorial. Who is the Editor-in-Chief of the NEJM. A publication that certainly takes ad dollars from Pfizer. And he was one of the 17 to vote for the Pfizer product to be immediately used in an emergency fashion. Oh yes, oh yes he was.

    Am I the only one who can recognize that Pfizer and other pharma companies may have some influence on Dr. Rubin thanks continued support of his employer, the NEJM? Am I the only one concerned that Dr. Rubin’s “rah rah” editorial may have been influenced by Pfizer? Is anyone else troubled that the Editor-in-Chief of the NEJM, supported by Big Pharma advertising dollars, is sitting on an FDA board to decide the fate of any pharmaceutical product? Is this not the very definition of corruption? Or at least a severe conflict of interest? I strongly suspect that a thorough evaluation of members of that committee will reveal other problems. As my grandmother always used to say, “There is never just one roach under a refrigerator.”

    You tube should be banning all video clips from mainstream media and other sources promoting the rushed to the market, conflict of interest vaccine. If their bans are in the interest of preventing harm to the greater public, Big Pharma quackery and boosterism should also get the boot.

     

     

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  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 4:13pm

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    Kat

    You're right. I double checked and it's general liability protection, mainly for long term care industry for covid 19.

    But that explanation doesn’t persuade Sam Brooks, project manager for The Consumer Voice, an advocacy organization for patients in long-term care. The GOP’s desired shield is unnecessary, he told Intelligencer, and would “have a devastating, long-lasting effect on residents and will increase harm, including death, should it pass.”

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/what-is-mitch-mcconnells-covid-19-liability-shield.html

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  • Mon, Dec 14, 2020 - 6:36pm

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    Chris.. gotta say it.....

    YOU ARE SUCH A BADASS! 🙂  Thank you for standing up for science and for everything good that we need RIGHT NOW.... in a world filled with hate, lies and death, you are such a breath of fresh air and I am so glad to have joined this community.  Thank you, thank you and God bless you and your family!

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  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 5:48am

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    About that liability protection

    AP, I agree, it's a very bad idea.  More than 4 BILLION dollars has been shelled out by the federal vaccine court, and that represents a very very small part of the damage vaccines have caused.  Because they have NEVER been adequately tested for safety.  (Chris has been beyond hoodwinked about what the normal process is for developing vaccines - it is not a safety minded industry at all.  Nothing remotely close to what other drugs must go through, and they have a lousy track record.)  The mantra is Safe&Effective.  Lie, lie, lie!  Big Pharma is the largest lobbying force in Washington and controls MSM as well.  Nothing is going to change the Big Pharma cash cow.  Vaccines are mandated for children throughout much of the US.  Obviously mandating vaccines for adults as well would be the golden egg.  Mandating a C19 vaccine is the Trojan horse.  We have to do everything we can to resist it.

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  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 11:11am

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    Great post on the true scale of COVID19

    Why the number ‘3’ may make you rethink Covid hysteria

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  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 12:34pm

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    agitating prop

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    Blood Brain Barrier

    This is aside from anything regarding censorship of Ivermectin or trashing its use by mainstream sources.

    I wonder how safe a lot of meds are for older people as age can alter the blood brain barrier and turnover rate of cerebral spinal fluid

    CSF is renewed four to five times per 24 hours in young adults. Ageing is characterised by a relative increase of the CSF compartment with respect to the brain parenchyma due to cerebral atrophy and a reduction of CSF turnover to three times a day at the age of 77 years.

    This applies to the Pfizer vaccine as well. I know that many elderly patients can't handle drugs the way younger people can and if the source material on exclusions isn't available it is dangerous.

    It might turn out that the vaccine is so harmful to the elderly, that it ends up killing them or causing severe neurological damage in greater numbers than the virus.

    I don't think it will be made mandatory in Canada. The current government would likely lose the next election if they tried that. But you never know.

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  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 2:25pm

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    Shilling for Big Pharma

    It's weird. I just read an article by NEJM about how pharma companies should not be allowed to test their own products. It should be done by independent researchers. So, that's all good.

    And yet they are heavily sponsored through advertising by big pharma, which is just as much a conflict of interest.

    From the inception of a new drug's creation, all the way up the 'chain of command' purity is lost. If the harm created by vaccines is protected by robbing victims of what should be their right to sue---My God.

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  • Tue, Dec 15, 2020 - 10:20pm

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    Behavior

    Thank you so much for this post Chris! We needed this! Everyone applauds! Dr. Pierre Kory and his Covid Critical Care Team are my heroes. The Senate Committee testimony by Dr. Kory was truly epic!

    Shamefully ignorant or worse? Very good question. There seem to be big interests at stake here.

    Vaccine developers seek emergency authorization from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and marketing authorization from the European Medicines Agency (EMA). Consider the following:

    Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)

    Under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), the FDA Commissioner may allow unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. (Emphasis mine)

    https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization

    The European Medicines Agency (EMA) seems to be in a slightly less tight spot:

    Conditional marketing authorization

    Conditional marketing authorizations may be granted if the CHMP finds that all the following requirements are met: (1) the benefit-risk balance of the product is positive; (2) it is likely that the applicant will be able to provide comprehensive data; (3) unmet medical needs will be fulfilled; (4) the benefit to public health of the medicinal product's immediate availability on the market outweighs the risks due to need for further data. (Emphasis mine)

    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/marketing-authorisation/conditional-marketing-authorisation

    So, what do you think, any impact on behavior?

    I wish the Covid Critical Care Team and you Chris all the best and the strength to keep on going. You make the difference. The world is a better place thanks to you.

     

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  • Wed, Dec 16, 2020 - 3:58am

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    Shilling for Big Pharma

    Vaccines aren't subject to the testing of other kinds of drugs because they aren't "drugs".  They're biologics.  They are assumed to be safe.  They have to be because they have NEVER been truly tested for safety.  It's why the US Gov has paid out more than $4 billion since 1986 for vaccine damages, in a court system where it is extraordinarily difficult to win and few people even understand it's an option.

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