“Technology will save us!”

That’s the most common pushback we receive to Peak Prosperity’s concerns about the dangers of exponential resource depletion, overpopulation, and overindebtedness/overconsumption.

And it’s understandable: technological advancement has achieved wonders for mankind’s standard of living at an accelerating pace over the past several centuries. Billions have been lifted out of poverty. Human health and longevity (covid-19 aside) have been greatly boosted. We have conquered the earth, seas, air and space.

Are the pessimists wrong to bet against human ingenuity?

To explore that question head-on, Chris sits down this week with Sergey Young, longevity expert and founder of the Longevity Vision Fund and “right hand man” to Peter Diamandis of Singularity and XPRIZE fame.

A self-described technology optimist, Sergey has created a $100 million fund to counteract the damaging consequences of aging. He’s set for himself the goal to live to be 200 years old (in the body of a 25 year old) and to find an affordable way for everyone else to do the same.

Interestingly, while Sergey is much more sanguine about society’s future prospects than we are here at Peak Prosperity, he acknowledges that the pragmatic realists are a necessary ‘yin’ to the tech passionistas’ ‘yang’.

For an optimistic futurist, Sergey is surprisingly respectful of and in agreement with our focus on sustainability and on practical models for living within our means. He admits that technology isn’t a cure-all, and goes as far to say that if the future were simply left to the starry-eyed dreamers, we’d take a lot of leaps of faith that wouldn’t end well.

For one of the most balanced conversations on this topic we’ve yet experienced, click the play button below to listen to Chris’ interview with Sergey Young (43m:32s)

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Chris Martenson: Hello everyone, and welcome to this Peak Prosperity Podcast. I am your host Dr. Chris Martenson. And really very excited for this podcast today. Covid 19, as you know I’ve been covering that for almost 100 days now. And trying to figure out what’s happening. It’s a medical mystery. It’s a political mystery. It’s upended so many things. Thirty-eight kilobits of information. Single strand of RNA has proven to be this complex foe that’s made a mess of some complex systems. And chief among that though, you know western healthcare has really been proven to fail in a couple ways, particularly out here in the United States. Sad to say it’s mostly about the politics and the economics of it. But, one of the things that’s really occurred to me is the way in which we’ve seen this incredible focus on we need a vaccine, we need a vaccine, we need a vaccine. That’s Louis Pasteur’s germ theory. There’s a germ and we have to fight it. Almost entirely missing is the other side of that story, which is the so-called terrain theory of the French, which is our bodies is the terrain. Our bodies fight things off all the time. That’s part of it, right?

So that needs to be both, yes. There’s this germ we have to confront with policies and with vaccines and how can we take best care of our bodies? So I wanted to go right to the source. I want to talk with somebody very exciting, Sergey Young. He is out in the forefront of talking about how we can be as healthy as we can be. And his mission, and Sergey I’ll let you say this in case I botch it here but the mission is to find a way for people to live 200 years in the body of a 25 year old. So, right at the forefront of figuring out what can our bodies do? How can we best optimize the terrain that already exists? Because our bodies are amazing machines. They are. I want to bring that part of the conversation in, and as well talk with an inspiring futuristic sort of a person who is very thoughtful. And this is a time where we need a lot of thoughtfulness. Because everything is being upended. Sergey, welcome to the program.

Sergey Young: Thanks Chris, and you know thanks to everyone. I’m very excited to be here today with you.

Chris Martenson: Well let’s jump right in it. What has – Covid 19, obviously this is what’s on everybody’s mind right now, here today in April of 2020. What sort of lessons are you drawing from Covid at this point Sergey?

Sergey Young: Yeah, I mean like or everyone, first few weeks of what is happening, was a complete shock to me. And then I started to realize that it just makes an opportunity to learn a few lessons. So I started to draw some of them, and I started to share with my network. And I’m very happy to share it today. Well first of all, we just need to realize and it’s very personal story. So, I’ve been to North Pole a few years ago, and last year I went to South Pole. And so when you’ve done both poles you come out thinking, so what’s next?

And I was seriously considering go to Mt. Everest. I’ve done some hiking when I was particularly young, during student time. But when I was looking at statistics, what’s your mortality rate? What’s your risk rate if you go to climb Everest? At this time it was somewhere between 5-6%. So if you look at Corona virus mortality rates today in some of the countries, well it’s exactly figure like that.

So I think – and it does support the idea that we’re living in during – kind of extraordinary period of our life, is that we all need to climb our personal Everest these days, right? It does require a lot of thoughts, a lot of resilience and a lot of wisdom. There’s so many things that we cannot fix. But I want to concentrate on the things that we can fix. So, a few lessons which I find particularly striking.

Number one, you know our civilization is so fragile. I mean it’s amazing we’re so used to live in a comfortable world. And then until we realize just a month ago that you know, the safety was perceived safety. This is before the Black Swan, before the next very unexpected show. And it’s time to embrace uncertainty. It’s time to embrace that we can be and we will be fragile in certain period of our life. You know, us as human beings and us as civilization; so that’s kind of number one.

Number two, I was listening to I think it was Erik Prince a few years ago. And he’s obviously you know, involved in the military stuff. And it was public lecture, but he was quoting someone saying it’s not what you know will kill you. And this is about that you know, sometimes we do expect crisis from the direction that we know. But, the best and the massive crisis – I mean they actually going to come from the direction that you don’t expect them to do so.

I remember December 2019 I was speaking at a huge conference. I think it was in LA Public Library. And there was a lot of young people in the audience. And the question was, “Well Sergey you say you expecting crisis in year 2020.” And then I was expecting the crisis since 2014. So you know, I finally reached the point when my forethoughts matched the reality after six years. And then economy is booming, unemployment is particular low rate. World is going to be young and beautiful. Like there’s no signs of anything crisis like coming to us. And then my point was that Black Swan will arrive exactly from direction that we not expecting it to arrive from. So that’s – and it’s very humbling. It’s change our definition of our life. Life for ourselves, for our families for the loved ones and sometimes you just need to be wise to understand that just so many things that we don’t know. And we don’t expect it to happen so you know, think about known, unknown. So that’s my lesson number two. Are we going in the right direction Chris?

Chris Martenson: Sure.

Sergey Young: A few more lessons to share –

Chris Martenson: Let’s keep going.

Sergey Young: Share with the audience today. Lesson number three is that specifically in US and in western culture, the culture and cult of money is specifically in the last two decades became pretty much driving force. And you know, I am part of it, right? We are all part of it to certain extent. But I think this kind of Everest climbing type of mortality risk and what is happening around us and with us today give us another lesson. Is that we start to learn and come to the basics, what actually – what matters the most to us? And I’m talking about loved ones. I’m talking about health and you remember the old saying, health is wealth. And it’s striking. I have few fiends who just hated their jobs. You know, hated their office environment. And they were not particularly positive people when they go to like Monday morning and running to the office. And I just had a chat with a few of them last week. And they were like “You know what?” I actually realized the thing I kind of hated the most is actually was the – my job and my time in the office was matter of my social realization. Was the driving force behind my professional development, and personal development as well. And it was amazing how many happiness and self-fulfillment, you know our jobs. And all our other activities brought to us.

So, and actually practicing gratitude and being grateful at we can see our family friends. We can take care of our dogs or cats as it’s coming back to the basics, what makes us human and what makes us happy. So that’s been amazing discovery for me and amazing lesson as well.

A couple final two thoughts on the lessons from Corona virus. I remember my shock, specifically in the first two weeks. I was basically stuck a home. And I was alone. I mean obviously with family, with my loved ones. But it’s completely different feeling that you can’t be social bond that you have in the physical environment, with your friends, with colleagues, with you know, people in the audience like we see today. But in particular conference or portfolio companies that we invest in, which work with longevity technologists. So this drama, this stroke of self-isolation is actually is an opportunity for all of us to reconnect with ourselves, you know. Be comfortable with being alone, being comfortable with being fragile human, right? And then you know focus on our external dialog. This great research done by Barclay Investment Band last year. And what I’ve discovered that before invention of smart phones, our attention span was like 15 seconds. And you know gold fish in a bowl; attention span was like 9 seconds. You know after we get our smart phones, you know our attention span is actually 8 seconds. It’s shorter than the fish in the bowl attention span. So it’s time to do digital detox. And it’s time for us to reconnect with ourselves.

And then you know final lessons for me is you know if Greta Thunberg was not enough you know, for the wakeup call for all of us. What is happening? I think Mother Nature is just sending us a signal, yeah? We were so irresponsible in terms of how we treat environment, how we treat Mother Nature, how we treat the planet. And you know, the fortunate outcome of, extremely unfortunate is sad times, when we lose so many people. Is you know, the environment is becoming clearer. I live nearby to the park. And you know I have an opportunity to walk with my dog for a few minutes a day. And it’s just amazing the amount of biodiversity. The types of birds that I’ve seen this spring is just amazing, right? And again it’s a very sad time for many of us, and there’s so many lives lost, there’s so much uncertainty and fear in the air. But I think it’s time to get this wakeup call from Mother Nature.

So coming back and finalizing my story about my Corona virus lessons is that we just need to embrace and see the fact that when we face the risk of death, similar to what we would face if we would climb the highest mountain on earth. It’s a time for wake up calls, and it’s a time for lessons for all of us.

Chris Martenson: Sergey thank you for all of that. And I’ll do my best to remember what you said nine seconds ago. And you know it was – I think it was 2009. I might be off a year or so. I was speaking in O Town, in Orlison, Norway and I have this talk I give. This is the subject of what I really want to get to with you in part. Is I have this talk. I talk about exponentials but from a dangerous standpoint, right? So I talk about exponential resource depletion. The fact that ecosystems are complex creatures, meaning we can’t predict how they’re going to behave. They have emergent behavior so we’re messing with billions of years of evolution, and 100 million year old ecosystems. And so I have sort of a cautionary tale, and so I give my whole song and dance and I learned that people in Norway don’t do jokes quite the same as we do in America. So it was very stony faced audience, you know? I wasn’t sure I was being received.

And then the person who spoke right after me is Peter Diamandis, who you know very well. And he was speaking a very different talk about exponentials that was the other side of that, right? And it was a little awkward, but we both said “Good talk” and went our ways. And I have to say in the 10-11 years since I think there’s – we’re both kind of right. We’re both kind of wrong.

Sergey Young: Exactly.

Chris Martenson: And so I was wondering you know, what’s your view on – what is the role of technology? We’re learning it’s a two-edged sword. It has some promise but there’s some things it can’t do. So, where do you fall on this idea are things exponentially better or are the risks accumulating?

Sergey Young: Yeah. So what do I think on that? I think if the world going to be created or you know full of – or can consist of 100% of people like Peter Diamandis and me, we will be in very dangerous category. Right? So we actually need you Chris. We need the public, right? To provide the balancing act to look at the everyday mention. And in particular the dimensions of technology, okay? So my paradigm that you know, no one on this planet will be able to see you know, all the up sides and down sides of technology. And it’s huge work of collaboration, of us listening to each other. And looking at you know, what can go wrong? How we balance that, right? How we regulate that or how we don’t get access to that.

And that’s – I’m preparing my tel-ex talk now, it’s called Morality of Immortality. And funny enough, you know I’m not huge fan of immortality by the way, right? I do think if you take that from the human life cycle. I mean we will lose our civilization, right? But funny enough, we in a few decades of time will reach the point when we ready for you know, indefinite expansion of our life span, by number of reason.

One, medical technology will give us an opportunity to do that through replaceable body parts, human brain integrations. So that’s going to be technically possible.

Number two; I’m great believer that we will resolve resource constraints with renewable energy, with taking better care of mother planet. With better managing our food cycle, right? To make longevity affordable and accessible for everyone. Longevity is a thing which would unite the nations rather than kind of continue to separate them. But the biggest question why you know, if you look even like in the US audience which is usually you know super interactive, super positive, 80-85% of people don’t like the idea of life extension. The reason being is that this huge number of moral and medical issues that we need to solve before we embrace longevity, before we embrace life extension and before we embrace you know immortality as a concept. And there’s so many ethical things that we need to solve.

I’m a super positive person, that’s why you need to have a lot of balancing kind of negative views or critical views on this whole thing. So – and just number of things, immortality – if this is agreeable to everyone going to be valuable to dictators, right? So think about North Korea. You know? I wonder if we want to have you know, the same dictator in North Korea for another 100 or 200 years. What will happen to the country? To the population? To the earth, right? Or, you know what about social structures, right? You know I was born at the time, and this is what I’ve seen from my parents and grandparents. And it’s one life, one marriage, one job. This is changing. You know? 67% of marriages you know, is broken up. Depending on what kind of country you’re looking at in developed world, is going to divorce in 3-5 years from the marriage, right? So what’s – what needs to happen with our social structure?

And final thoughts on that, if – and this is on the positive side. If we’re going to live longer, does it give us the hope that we’re going to be more responsible for what we’re doing, right? So throwing plastic in the ocean and living longer will you know give us an opportunity or risk to face consequences of our actions. So hopefully this will drive more responsible behavior for us. But I agree with you Chris there’s so many ethical, social and regulatory questions that we need to face on this road. So I’m actually happy we can have this dialog and we can have this argument. It’s not a black and white issue.

Chris Martenson: Great, I’m really glad to hear you say that. And for me, population. Okay? Given how – so in my lifetime, I’m 57 now. Animal population has been halved in terms of biomass. And the oceans I can tell you as a fisherman, stripped clean, right? And so here’s a simple example of one technology, I’ll call it GPS. Before GPS fisherman would leave from Massachusetts. They would motor out like 6-8 hours, some dead reckoning and they’d throw their lines over the side, or their nets and they’d run around. After GPS, they could stop and start six inches to the left of where they went and they scraped the oceans clean. And it’s going to take another generation I think, for –

Sergey Young: Yeah.

Chris Martenson: Management to catch up with that simple technology.

Sergey Young: Right.

Chris Martenson: And so I look at this and let’s talk food for a second. You’ve seen the reports, right? UK soil scientists say we have 60 harvests left because the way we’re currently managing soil, is strip mining it. It’s a mining operation. Macro and micro nutrients are being pulled out. Living soil is being turned into dirt, if I can make that distinction. And you only can do that so many times and then you basically are out of options unless you’re in a full nutrient replacement cycle. Very complicated even to fix that. So, my questions would be are humans ready to expand their population given our current track record?

Sergey Young: Yeah. So great question, number one just a bit of context. Whatever the graph and forecast you see, we probably in the current – I can follow business model. In a current living model, economic model in the world we very likely to heed 10 billion kind of figure in terms of population. And then it would start to decline. Because with every country which you go through almost exponential growth of GDP per capita. The reproductive race is just close to one. So that’s one.

But it does not mean that we need to solve the issues that you just highlighted, right? Moreover, right I think in terms of legacy, in terms of being happy and being part of the ecosystem, we need to solve it. So I do believe technology is a little bit like a hammer. You can use it to kill someone or you can use it to build a house, right? And obviously I’m not the only one in the world thinking about this. But where you my role and role of longevity vision fund, right? Which supports you know longevity and ecofriendly technologies is to provide the sources of breakthroughs. But then knowing what we know about humans, I think it should be combination of stick and carrot.

So if you think about like you know, only about the carrot, which is you know providing different breakthroughs through longevity technologists, or food tech technologist. So we currently investing in the plant based meat and fish and seafood, right? We’re going to announce this investment in the next month or so. I mean it’s just amazing what clean meat or plant based meats you know can do to follow food cycle. It’s you know, low calories. It doesn’t have you know dangerous substances like you know hormones or antibiotics. It doesn’t have you know, all the harmful bacteria. And it doesn’t really require you to have all these poor animals in industrial farms, or to reach this precious resources in the sea or in our rivers, like fish or any other creatures. So this is what I provide. This is what I see my mission.

But let’s not forget about regulation, right? And this is where globalization was helpful is to understand the role of government and role of world organization in terms of protecting Mother Nature. You know protecting the creatures, and make our relationship with nature as the more equal ones, rather than us taking all the time, this precious resources. So I am concerned as well as you and probably substantial part of our audience today. I do see my role is providing this opportunity, resources for breakthrough technologists to develop and to happen. And therefore make the world a better place.

Chris Martenson: I love the vision. You know I started by looking at data and tearing apart things, like how much oil is actually left in the ground? And I’m not against using it, but if we’re going to use it, where are we going with it? I’m also a businessman. I spend a lot of time in the business world. So there I did a lot of strategy development. And strategy development is always the same thing, very complicated ones. BCG’s got a different one, right? But they all boil down to this, where are we going? How are we going to get there? What’s the vision? What are your resources? On the resource side I see that it’s a finite number and we better use them wisely if we want to get to this you know, new future we want to get to. I’m a conservationist in the sense that I really don’t want to go backwards. People sometimes misinterpret my message and hear it as Malthusian. Oh my God, you’re saying there’s limits in all of that. And I had to wander over to Psychology and Neurobiology to understand that we have an optimism bias wired in. Nature graciously gave us that.

So, I think how do we begin to balance the optimism bias against the realities? Not the realities just being perceived as negative and dismissed because people have a psychological bias against them. Because they both, I like how you put it, we need both of those fully enflamed to really get where we’re going if we’re going to have a good strategy, right?

Sergey Young: Yeah, I agree. Look I think to call it conservative approach is a little bit unfair. And the reason being, and then what I like you put two questions. And the question one you know, what are we doing? And the question two is how we execute on that? And the problem with human beings, and specifically now democratic societies that within the execution process our messages, our decisions they’re starting to deviate right? They’re starting to be influenced, they become insulted. So you know my belief, you need to put pretty direct, and some people can call it conservative message across. And then life will soften it anyway. Regulation will soften it anyway and diversity of opinion soften it. So you know I’m big fan of radical stance, because on the way to implementation they become less radical. And then if we have democratic process sin place, we will accommodate other people’s views. But you need to be radical.

So this is the reason behind my 200 years life span message, right? I’m actually – if you look at the current state of technology it’s impossible to live 200 years. But this is my way to get attention. Because if I start to discuss with you and you know our live audience, guys this is how we’re going to live 100 years. And this is five things you need to do, they’re like “Sergey, come on, we’ve heard this before. This is pretty boring.”

So the unfortunate reality I need to shock you with 200 years and then tell you that it’s actually three different horizons. One of the things that we can do today to live to 100, the other thing was the technologist that we invested in from longevity vision fund will be available to us in 10, 20 years. And this is going to be an opportunity to live probably to 150, whatever the number is. To break this sound barrier of 120 years, which is the – limit established by evolution for our bodies and for our minds. And then _____ [00:26:11] is visionary one, what we all can use the kind of robotic or digital avatars, replaceable body parts is _____ [00:26:19]. So you know frankly speaking we are in this world not only to think, but also to do. And to do something you need to be radical sometimes. And then life will balance your message. Life will balance your idea when we go to execution stage.

Chris Martenson: I love that. My – I have almost a daily practice of challenging myself mentally. I run up against something. So like some math is at the edge of what I can do, or a new biological concept that I don’t get. Because I find that after I’ve done that and I sleep on it, the next day it’s just a little bit easier. And so it’s just a basic exercise program. So let me tease apart this quantity versus quality thing. So 200 years is quantity. How – tell us about what you’re looking at now and the technologies we either currently have or soon to come that will enhance the quality of it? Like how can I be healthier and all of that? I think that’s what a lot of people would be interested in.

Sergey Young: Okay. So first thing that we need to be prepared of is that quality of our lives is – and our life span. So we actually, we use the term health span, right? Because I’m interested in extending healthy in 50 years rather than the last five – the most fragile years of our lives. So – and in fact, that’s why I call it boring. A lot of people know how to do it right? And then five things is you know, when I have my 30 seconds on longevity. I sent everyone to do their annual health checkup. This is the most important thing, because you know, remember 20 years ago, cancer was kiss of death. Not anymore. For five main type of cancer your recovery rate is 93 to 100% these days. And one huge assumption, you do very early diagnostic of that.

So make sure every year – so for me it’s January. I’m going to human longevity center in California. You know this May I meant to go to Japan. Japan has amazing healthcare system to do my annual checkup. Or you can go to hospital next door; it’s not rocket science, right? Make sure you catch cancer, you catch heart disease, you catch diabetes early on. So you can work on that; so that’s number one. And then – and this is where technology is helpful is that we work investing a lot in early stage, and early cancer diagnosis. Because cancer and heart disease is two killer monsters. They kill more than 50% of people after they turn 50 years old. So that’s one.

The other thing is again, is not smoking. Drive responsible. Establish whatever the – your states limit. You know I have zero alcohol tolerance while driving, so I call it passive longevity. Just don’t do a stupid thing. And then food. Food is amazing and I have this – the reason I have number of copies of books here, I’m just spreading this to people, right? To come to see me in my office. You know, the single change that we can take to take back control of our life and the healthy state is to change the food system, right? And then do a lot of plant base and you know decrease the calories.

Sport is another one, and funny enough if you look at technologist, this is Fitbit, right? And some people use Apple Watch, Samsung watch, etc. Just a few years to go it was just counting my steps. And it’s important to do 10,000 steps a day. It’s super important for your heart system health. But right now it’s becoming personalized healthcare device. Apple watch can do electrocardiogram, can detect when you fall down in the street, can call ambulance for you. And then – and it start to – it will in few years’ time get 95% of the tracking information to assess your health, right? So that’s important and peace of mind like mental exercise that you just mentioned. Meditation, act of kindness every day, working with your sleep which is also Fitbit, Apple watch, whatever the gadget you have is also helpful in terms of tracking the sleep cycle. So that’s your job number one. Monday morning change that you need to do.

So this gives us another 10-15 years to wait for the outcome of technologists that we’re investing in. And three most promising technologists that I’m very excited and we invest in it. One is gene editing and gene therapy. Just amazing, and then the reason we can have such a quick response to Corona virus in terms of vaccine development, in terms of you know developing the test. I think US itself have like 50 approved tests against Corona virus. And that’s in course of like two months, right? And the reason is that we’ve been able to sequence genome of this virus in the course of one month. Twenty-five years ago it was just impossible at all, right? So that’s – so technology number one is gene editing and gene therapy. Technology number two is anything related to the stem cells, and we investing in this together with other biotech investors. And with you know, big pharma.

And technology number three is organ regeneration and replaceable organs. Look at liver, as far as article – there’s a huge waiting list of people waiting for this. And it can be anywhere between one and three years in the US, right? And its $700,000 to $800,000 type of surgery. And we just invested in the company together with _____ [00:32:17]. It’s another great investment in longevity area, which use our lymph nodes to regrow the liver, right? So they take donor liver, they split it in 50-80 pieces. They use laparoscopic not really invasive operation to put it in your lymph nodes. And then in six months’ time you have supporting liver, you have like liver being inside your body. I mean it’s amazing. Obviously in the testing stage, we need to wait a few years before they will go through FDA approval. And it’s going to be valuable operation.

But this is a type of technologist which would help us to support the most fragile parts of our body. Again, there is nothing available today, but this is going to be available in the next 5, 10, 15 years. So what we need to stay in the reach, so come back to my you know horizon one. Take back control of your health and your daily routine.

Chris Martenson: Super glad to hear you talk about food. It’s my number one thing. For the past month I’ve been telling people who have been listening to my Corona virus channel, plant a garden. I think there’s some disruptions coming because you know we can’t get the migrant workers in the fields, so we might be short on fresh fruits and vegetables. But you’ll be outside, you’ll be getting that natural vitamin D from the sun. But you’ll also be connecting with plants and growing them and eating much better food that’s better for you and all of that. I really think you know this is going to be a little bit – some of what Covid is going to give us – is my great grandparents would be like, oh of course. You want _____ [00:33:43], you want good friends and you want to know where your food is coming from, of course. So that’s all good.

I’m surprised – can you talk on technology four – you mentioned three. But I’ve kind of been thinking Sergey that AI, right? Fantastic learning programs, because to me when I go to a doctor I feel like I’m running into a decision tree, where they go fever, no fever? Fever, okay febrile. It feels like this is just perfectly primed to take 95% of what doctors do on the front end, leave the art of edge of it to the skilled practitioner. Isn’t there a role here for AI to take my blood, sift through 1,000 variables and genomic sequences –

Sergey Young: Exactly. And then I think the beauty of AI is not only can a managing complexity, but also to establish very unusual correlation between one and another. Right? So look at Corona virus there’s Canadian company called Blue Dot, right? And they provide AI based and mission – big data type of intelligence for _____ [00:34:45] unusual kind of health related events around the world. Just looking at social media activity and out of data that they scan. I mean they immediately realize there’s something going in Wuhan. And they made actually the – they sent a warning note to their clients 10 days before World Health Organization did the same for the rest of the world. So that I think is amazing.

And also I think AI is very complimentary for today’s doctors job. And you know, combination of both you know, give our doctors, give our medical professionals more time to spend with us with the patient, right? So they need to go and bother themselves and yourself with typical question which is already in your electronic record, which is already measured by different scans, or your personalized scale device. And so I’m actually I’m thinking at combination of different technologists and with our healthcare system, with our doctors. Give more time you know to our doctors and therefore more self-realization for them, to do their job properly. Run just to stare any computer to do record, or ask you the same questions again.

So I’m completely on the same page with you. And I think it’s a huge opportunity. And it’s not either/or. It’s combination of both.

Chris Martenson: Yeah and it seems to me that if we did also AI, so I was working on this think tank. There’s some guys there from Darpa, and they’re running a complexity modeling challenge, right? So it’s sort of like the XPRIZE. They’re throwing a little bit of money out there and for people who don’t know, I’ll let you explain it. But XPRIZE said, let’s put some money out there, $10 million to see if we can initiate space travel in the private sector, which before the XPRIZE was all NASA. And all of a sudden it unleashed $100 million of private chasing of that. So it was very good leverage, so Darpa said maybe we could do this for AI because humanity, our problems are too complex for us as humans to manage anymore. And my hope Sergey, some day we will initiate AI and it will parse through everything. Maybe in a quantum computer it will say hey, don’t grow cotton in Arizona. That’s a bad idea. You know?

Sergey Young: I agree. That’s amazing, so that’s why I love XPRIZE foundation and you’re right, the first XPRIZE competition was the creation of _____ [00:37:16] spaceship. And today we know this as version galactic, right? It’s the rights for the ship was actually bought by Richard Branson. So my dream, and we starting design process for that next month is to do age reversal competition for technologist which will help us to live longer and healthier and happier life. So I do hope that we can launch it next year. And it’s going to be 2 to 400 teams all around the world providing technologists and measuring the impact of their intervention. Whether its drugs, any particular technologist to measure age reversal impact of that. Just using biological clocks. And biological clocks is just set of indicators, almost like a blood sample you give. You look at different measures and you measure how old or how young are you against your calendar years. So we’re working on that.

I’m actually sponsoring this for the last year. But there’s so many amazing people involved there from XPRIZE aside from academic community life, over the _____ [00:38:28] and over longevity is such a grateful theme and you know it’s really unified. There’s no sense of competition. The only thing that we find is aging and age related disease. So it’s been amazing experience for me and I’m looking forward to launch this competition next year.

Chris Martenson: That sounds fabulous. I would love to see when launch for battery technology. I would love for my government instead of $10 billion to the banks to administer loans in this most recent hand out. Put a billion dollars out, dangle it out there. Anybody who can solve batteries, using a common chemistry with a certain density, just dangle it out there and see what happens.

Sergey Young: I agree.

Chris Martenson: That would mean a lot. So I love that story of how the XPRIZE really it’s incentives, right? You show me the incentive, I’ll show you the outcome, right? That’s what Charlie Munger says. Listen, I know we’re up against your time here. I did want to mention your website SergeyYoung.com and you got a book coming out. I see the countdown going, growing young. Tell us about that.

Sergey Young: Yeah, so if you want to stay in contact just sign up for my newsletter on Sergeyyoung.com; so that’s the easiest way to do. And you know I’m just very excited to work with 20-25 longevity buying years all around the world to write a book about technologists. And we mostly invest in Horizon II, which is technologists which I mentioned today already. Like gene editing, use of AI for diagnostic or for drug development, artificial organs or replaceable organs. But there’s some exciting stuff that we working on as well when we’re investing a little bit of our money, like you know human avatars. So I’m having the call with a company from Japan and Japan what it’s going to _____ [00:40:28] to robots, is a perfect place to develop avatars. And actually working on the first prototype of robotic avatars these days. So there’s going to be section on that but overall I think what I wanted to share in my book is the overall excitement about different technologists, which is currently in development stage to provide all of us the motivation to you know, stay in the reach, take control of our health. You know be in the healthy state and happy state in the next 10-15 years. So, then when we reach longevity breakthrough you look at your own body and your mind, and you think okay this is worth life extension, right? You don’t want to be a body in your mind and in fragile state. So that’s the whole idea of the book. And obviously you know, since my mission to change one bit of lives, and ring longevity technology in the most affordable and accessible way, now a book will be important part of that. This will come in probably 10 months’ time and but I’m very excited to work on that. There’s so many exciting things happening in this field.

Chris Martenson: All right Sergey, I have to ask since we’re on books and based on our conversation, if I was in your office with you right now, which book would you give me?

Sergey Young: Okay, so this is my favorite one. So this is _____ [00:41:59], amazing boo and it’s almost like small encyclopedia, which goes from theoretic basics, how food is important or your health to particular food choice, how to use the food to change your body and change your health. So amazing book. Again you ask me to offer one book. The other one which I love is its called Happiness Hypothesis. That’s – this is the best book on the review of different theory of happiness. It was breakthrough for me to realize what makes us happy.

Chris Martenson: Fantastic. Well thank you so much for that. I’ll be getting both of those books; so consider – I realize appreciate that. So Sergey, thank you so much for your time today.

Sergey Young: My great pleasure.

Chris Martenson: Yes, SergeyYoung.com, check it out and sign up for the newsletter and I’ll be looking forward to your book, Growing Young when it comes out. So I agree, let’s have the balance. We need both types out there optimists and – I don’t use pessimists. I call myself a realist, but –

Sergey Young: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with you. Okay Chris it was great conversation and to all of our audience stay healthy.

Chris Martenson: Fantastic, all right. All right, bye bye.

Sergey Young: Bye bye.

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