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Nickbert – I guess you’d say that I was more on the extreme end of hypermobility… not quite circus freak, but not far off it. Some people have gone as far as saying that some of my movements & body positions look insectile 🙂  Also, not every hypermobile person is uber-flexible in all their joints or to an equal degree. For instance, my sister’s hands are super-freaky and she’s good at Yoga, but she can’t do the weird crap with all her joints like I can, and I can’t do anything near as freaky as she does with her hands.

There are some holds and locks that do work on me, but the person has to have some advanced training for them to be truly effective. Since the average street thug and Billy-Bad-Ass doesn’t have that kind of training, I normally have more than enough time to wiggle out and counter like you do. (Or freak out the hospital staff by slipping 4-point restraints and a straightjacket… long story)  If it really comes down to the wire, I’d much rather have someone grab me than hit me… my odds are much increased if I haven’t been "softened up" first. Why is it that men can always seem to punch a woman right in that sweet spot on the cheek so the whole side of her face lights up?!?! It must be pre-programmed genetic memory, I swear!

I do agree with you that we have less warning and a smaller margin between flex and break. This is very important when you’re sparring or practicing, but I don’t worry about it much in a real fight. In a real fight, I’d gladly rip my arm out of the socket to escape or land a disabling blow while my opponent is off guard (and have in the past). Since I dislocate joints on a regular basis doing random daily stuff, I’m sort of used to popping things back in or continuing on with something not working quite properly. It still hurts, but I think I might have a higher tolerance to the pain after so many years of practice 😉  Also, I’ve noticed that when you pop apart, it tends to really gross out a lot of people… including less-than-dedicated assailants… which can end the conflict right there. "Dude, that is just nasty" LOL


I remember my old instructor telling me that when people grab you, in a sense they’re giving you an advantage by occupying their hands with grappling and giving you more stable targets to strike at, so as long as I have a free hand the other guy is going to get pounded lol.  I have never dislocated or severely overextended my joints to that level yet, though I have had a couple Brazilian Jiujitsu sessions (where I squirmed out of some pretty solid holds) that took me weeks to fully recover from.  It does sound like you’re more flexible (and more pain-tolerant) than even I am.  On a more amusing note on the "ew! factor" angle, I’ve also noticed that people get easily grossed out by bending fingers and shoulders in weird ways.  Somehow it fails to impress the ladies and just weirds them out instead dammit


A lot of my "combat" experience was learned in real life assaults, not in a training environment. I’m not sure if my perspective and preferences would change or not if I had more formal martial arts training. In all the times that I’ve been threatened, pummeled and flung about none of the jerks was ever a Ninja or Kung Fu Master. I think the odds are pretty low that any SHTF invader or assailant would be a trained martial artist… I think the two mindsets are a bit in opposition.


Generally speaking yes, most violent or criminal people will not have advanced training. But they often have experience (though not always, like that overconfident white guy in the mindset video) which does count for a lot. Personally I have a fair amount of training but little real-world experience, and while I train hard I don’t know how well that will compare to someone with little formal training but lots of personal fighting experience.  My Kung Fu San Soo instructor said when he was younger he and many of his fellow students were encouraged to get a lot of "personal experience" and as such were probably much more willing to get in street fights and brawls as compared with most martial artists.  He did qualify that by saying that there was a certain high level of "competitiveness" within the schools in that area during the 70’s (not quite "Karate Kid Cobra Kai" mindset but certainly not shying away from conflict either) and that he would NOT encourage that nowadays, but nonetheless his myriad experiences over that time did a lot in honing his skills.  So while the odds are low, there might be that odd SHTF assailant with a lot of experience (maybe with some training as well) that will make him/her a formidable opponent.  I think the fact that you’ve had fighting experience (no matter how unpleasant the circumstances may have been) counts for a lot, and is just as valuable as training.  Formal training in certain arts would make you that much better.  Probably not much opportunity for that where you’re going to (heck even in Delta Junction/Fort Greely there’s not really a place for me to train!), but perhaps your hubby is willing to help train you?

[quote] P.S. Is there an Epileptic Drunken Monkey style? Maybe I’d be able to learn that… 


Don’t know about that, but I can give a recommendation for Krav Maga…. they focus heavily on intensity, stamina, and dogged perseverance, and realize that fine motor skills play a lesser role for most of us in a real fight.  And they also teach some ground fighting which is good for double-jointed folks like us

– Nickbert