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    Re: The Complete Idiot’s Guide to the New World Order

[quote=Mike Pilat]I’ve seen many explanations for the potential for explosives (notably thermite). Explosives certainly would explain a lot of what happened, but I think the biggest hurdle to get over would be installing them. Though difficult, I don’t see this as impossible.

To the issue of people keeping a secret: Our government’s secrets in this country is compartmentalized. The result is that people only know very specific and disconnected pieces of the big picture. Even though thousands of people might work on a project, only the very few at the top will see how all the pieces are interconnected. So I say there is at least a possibility that this could still be kept a secret for the simple reason that if it were a "conspiracy" then only a very few people really needed to know the full picture.
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Mike,

While the activity is being conducted, it is possible that the worker bees wouldn’t connect the dots. However, after 9/11, don’t you think a lot of those workers would be going, "HEY – Wait a minute, here!". To suggest that everyone would continue to remain silent after the fact stretches my imagination to a breaking point.

 

[quote=Mike Pilat]I do find the "official" 9/11 investigative report very troubling. I don’t believe it addresses building 7 and certainly seems incomplete. I would have expected a 10 year bureaucratic investigative process, but we got no such thing.

Another question I’ve had is why did we promptly remove and destroy or secure all evidence? Why aren’t we still picking through the ruins of the towers so that we can better learn how to build better buildings? This is the biggest building disaster in history, surely our government would allow scientists to comb the wreckage, right?[/quote]

The ruins were in place for months -it was impossible for anyone to "promptly remove and destroy or secure all evidence".

 

[quote=Mike Pilat]And now let’s just use the "trust yourself" / gut check type approach: 9/11 allowed for the biggest expansion of (Unconstitutional) government powers that we’ve ever seen. Cheney was right, perception did lag reality (oops! is still lagging reality). [/quote]

Call me naive, but I still can’t believe even Cheney would create this horror to increase governmental power. Besides, we now have a new President – if Bush/Cheney were going to take over this country, they would have done it before Nov. 4, 2008.

 

[quote=Mike Pilat]It troubles, angers, and disappoints me that the people in this
country, particularly the liberals, have not fought the Patriot Act
more forcefully. We’ve had our Liberties given away and we paid the
price with inflation to boot.[/quote]

I agree – but short of a national uprising and all of us marching on Washington, DC with pitchforks and torches (and a guillotine or two), I don’t see it happening in the near term. Perhaps this will change some day – I hope so but I’m not counting on it in my lifetime.

 

[quote=Mike Pilat]Finally, if 9/11 was a "conspiracy," it wouldn’t be the first time this has happened. Word has it that Roman emperors engaged in domestic terrorism repeatedly for the purpose of consolidating their power and pushing their agendas. Franklin Roosevelt was warned by the Aussie’s that a Japanese carrier group was going to Hawai’i 2 days before Pearl Harbor, yet he took no action. Imagine the boost in approval ratings that he got just after December 7th. Our CIA has given LSD and other drugs to civilians without their informed consent, has pursued and executed political assassinations around the globe in secret, and has been implicated in numerous corrupt arms and drug smuggling operations. My simple question is this: Are we really safe if we default to trust without being sure it has been earned?
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Simple answer – no. The conspiracies that you just listed are true. I don’t deny that our government has a sordid history but, human nature being what it is, I think you would be hard pressed to find any government that doesn’t have a sordid history!

 

[quote=Mike Pilat]So my "official" stance is that I’m not sure 9/11 was intentional or known before hand, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there was a lot of fault on the part of our own government. I find the official 9/11 investigation weak, to say the least and I demand something better. I hope that more civilians and indies will continue to find the truth about this event, because I know I haven’t heard the full, untarnished truth yet. I simply cannot blindly trust a government that refuses to trust me. 

Mike[/quote]

I think the fault is the short attention span of the American people – honed by decades of seeing problems solved in 30 minutes or 1 hour on the boob-tube.

I agree that we need a government more responsive to those it was meant to serve – whether that may be regained some day is debatable.