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  • Mon, Oct 19, 2009 - 06:23am

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    Re: remembrance…hope…

Hi, Strabes;

I don’t usually break down folks comments, point by point, as that approachs seems unecessarily argumentative to me, and frankly, I don’t like to read those sorts of back-and-forth posts.  But I value your comradship, and I feel so strongly that you have misunderstood my post, that I’ll give it a shot . . .

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It seems you’re partially fighting the old pre-crash left/right conservative/liberal fight.  Can you see how in fighting against dialectic you are playing the dialectic quite well…

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No, there is a difference . . . I am not using the resolution of two opposing views to achieve a surreptious agenda.  I am clear about what I oppose, and I am open about my agenda.  And, in terms of morality, I do not seek common ground, or consensus.  I seek to prevail on the simple clarity of my assertions.  Whether I will succeed or not, is another thing, entirely . . .

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I post a couple videos that try to provide a brief moment of rest, inspiration, tenderness, something to be hopeful about and suddenly you’re bitter about national politics and political correctness!?

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There’s nothing “sudden” about my disgust with national politics or political correctness.  I am a long-standing and outspoken critic of both.  In fact, these attitudes have almost nothing to do with the videos and other materials that you posted.  Your posts were just the take-off point for a discussion.  Of hijacking your thread, I stand rightly accused.  But, you’re taking my comments far more personally than they were intended.

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To automatically bucket what I’ve said in the cheap love and new age buckets violates me, exhibits no curiosity or questioning to find out what I’m talking about

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Maybe I don’t know what it is you’re saying . . . But it sure had the aura of New Age fluff about it.  That’s the problem with this all-one/all-love/buy- the-world-a-coke garbage . . . It’s ill defined, and promises a utopia, founded on concepts and behavior that couldn’t support a good relationship with one’s barber, much less one’s spouse . . . The trouble is that I do know what that represents —  from far more intimate experience than I care to mention.  Suffice to say that I know whereof I speak . . .

Anyway, I’m willing to consider that your concepts differ from those ill-defined utopian dreams . . . I’m listening. . . .

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. . .  but just allows you to maintain your defensive stance against the pernicious political programming we’ve been subjected to.  

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Actually, I think my stance against pernicious political programming is offensive, not defensive . . . Cool

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Much of what you’re associating with love has nothing to do with it. NAMBLA is a sado-masochistic, narcissistic structure of using others to meet primitive needs stemming from past abuses and harms.  It’s not love at all, despite their use of the word…

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Whoa, Nellie!  I never associated any of that filth with love . . . but it is marketed as such . . . And therein lies the sickness . . .

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. . . don’t let their bastardization of it turn you against it because it’s our #1 command!  

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No argument there . . .

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Nor are Oprah and Phil useful examples of the psychological community.

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No, but they are the most influential . . . and you could have truncated that sentence to “Nor are Oprah and Phil useful . . . period.”  😀

[quote=strabes]Nor am I claiming native societies were utopian…there’s no question there was plenty of violence.  But for you to bucket appreciation for their culture into “politically correct” programming is dialectical either/or thinking…and pathetic really given how hollow, fragmented, impaired, violent, heartless, abusive our culture is and what we could’ve learned from the communities they had (sustainable, communal, grounding, not violating the 3 E’s).  Notice how your labeling it PC allows you to escape the facts…I asked specifically about children of the Sioux Nation and whether they would demonstrate the same possessiveness and envy of white kids with consumerist parents…I’d be curious about the Mandans, the Iroquois, the Cherokee as well…you avoid the opportunity to consider these details by bucketing the whole thing with the label “PC programming.” The dialectic is so powerful–trains you to reject some good things because they’re associated with “those people.”

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You had no way of knowing this, but I don’t deserve the “those people” accusation, my friend . . . I was kicking around the Hopi reservation before I reached my 18th birthday, seeking knowledge.  I was one of the very few white folks to be allowed to visit Paiute burial grounds.  I’ve explored that avenue rather intently.  My only reason for not discussing it further, is that I am no longer interested in it.  I outgrew the fascination.

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In summary, I think that you and I are just at different places along a continuum . . . not hostile alien residents of different galaxies . . . Anyway, as I said, I have rudely hijacked your thread, so I’ll just beam back to my own planet for a while . . . Thanks for the hospitality, though . . .