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  • Sun, Mar 31, 2019 - 05:53am   (Reply to #8)

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    fionnbharr

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    Glass Ceilings : The Cultural Cul-de-sac

Doug wrote:

I suggest that blatantly untrue posts be identified and called out by the managers of the site.

Hi Doug,

sorry I’m late in my reply, but I just had to intercede with what came after your post that I’ve quoted.

Frankly, I’m somewhat angered and disgusted at the comments directed toward you, but not entirely suprised by them.

There often appears to be quite a smug dereliction from fact posing for truth as clickbate. With this reasoning, that is where I believe the glass ceiling of this site meets its marker – a near impossible feat, because to police it involves questioning what has leached into the thought structures in the belief systems of the people of the United States of America.

Whatever comes from what is understood from the transcript to the video below, will be determined by what has leached into the cultural belief system of each and every member of Peak Prosperity that happen to trip over this post, and the terribly small number of people that would choose to post a reply.

Somewhat damning really, considering what this site is supposed to be doing in the attempt …

Marr: “If the press is a censoring organisation, tell me how that works. Is it… You’re not suggesting that proprietors phone one another up [Chomsky: No] Or that many journalists get their copies spiked as we say?”

Chomsky: “It’s a, well actually, Orwell you may recall has an essay called ‘Literary censorship in England’, which was supposed to be the introduction to Animal Farm except that it never appeared. And which he points out, look, I’m writing about a totalitarian society but in free democratic England it’s not all that different. And then he says, unpopular ideas can be silenced without any force. [Marr: How? {inaudible}] He gives a two sentence response, which is not very profound, but captures it2. He says two reasons, first the press is owned by wealthy men who have every interest in not having certain things appear, but second the whole educational system from the beginning on through just gets you to understand that there are certain things you just don’t say. Well, spelling these things out, that’s perfectly correct. I mean, the first sentence is what we expanded on…”

Marr: “This is what I don’t get, because it suggests that – I mean I’m a journalist – people like me are self-censoring.”

Chomsky: “No, not self-censoring. You’re, there’s a filtering system, that starts in kindergarten, and goes all the way through, and it’s not going to work 100% but it’s pretty effective. It selects for obedience, and subordination, and especially I think… [Marr: So stroppy people won’t make it to positions of influence] There’ll be behavioural problems. If you read applications to a graduate school you’ll see that people will tell you, he’s not, he doesn’t get along too well with his colleagues, you know how to interpret those things.”

Marr: “I’m just interested in this because I was brought up like a lot of people, probably post-Watergate film and so on to believe that journalism was a crusading craft and there were a lot of disputatious, stroppy, difficult people in journalism, and I have to say, I think I know some of them.”

Chomsky: “Well, I know some of the best, and best known investigative reporters in the United States, I won’t mention names, {inaudible}, whose attitude towards the media is much more cynical than mine. In fact, they regard the media as a sham. And they know, and they consciously talk about how they try to play it like a violin. If they see a little opening, they’ll try to squeeze something in that ordinarily wouldn’t make it through. And it’s perfectly true that the majority – I’m sure you’re speaking for the majority of journalists who are trained, have it driven into their heads, that this is a crusading profession, adversarial, we stand up against power. A very self-serving view. On the other hand, in my opinion, I hate to make a value judgement but, the better journalists and in fact the ones who are often regarded as the best journalists have quite a different picture. And I think a very realistic one.”

Marr: “How can you know that I’m self-censoring? How can you know that journalists are..”

Chomsky: “I’m not saying your self censoring. I’m sure you believe everything you’re saying. But what I’m saying is that if you believe something different, you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting.”

Finn