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    Private Profits Vs Public Health

    Why you need to be your own health champion regarding COVID-19
    by Chris Martenson

    Friday, December 4, 2020, 7:31 PM

2020 has taken a lot of the wind out of my sails.

I’ve gone from being pretty skeptical of all-things-corporate-and-governmental to being completely flabbergasted at just how transparently self-serving and power/money-hungry they actually are.

Somewhere deep down I suppose I’ve been holding onto a remnant of hope that when push finally came to shove, better people and better policies would emerge.  You know, because it’s a global emergency and all that.

But, nope.  We got the opposite instead.

By way of example, I first began reporting on Ivermectin as a possible COVID treatment back in April of 2020.  I’ve been following it every step of the way ever since.

Confusingly, all of the studies done on it came from poorer, third world countries.

The stupendously rich and well-resourced countries of the West – Europe, the US, Canada, and Australia somehow couldn’t find the time to fund a proper study of Ivermectin.  A few are in the works, but they’re small and not finished and won’t report out until long after the first vaccines are deployed.

Instead, those same countries’ health managers dourly note that because there are no RCT (Randomized Controlled Trial) results, they can’t recommend Ivermectin.

However, the poorer countries out there, who instead are ‘richer’ in scientific inquiry in this regard, have somehow managed to plow ahead and perform numerous RCTs — 100% of which have come back showing a powerful preventive and curative effect of Ivermectin as a treatment against COVID-19.

All of this in great detail in my recent Banned YouTube & Vimeo video:

The data is 100% in alignment: Ivermectin blocks COVID pre- and post-exposure. Both as a prophylactic and as a treatment for limiting/reducing the worst of COVID’s symptoms, including death in early and late hospitalization.

Further, one study shows massive benefit to COVID long haulers, those unfortunate people struggling for weeks and months after infection with fatigue, brain fog, racing hearts and other maladies.

With such clear and compelling data, anybody who actually cares about and is responsible for public health has only one option: assuring that Ivermectin is used widely and immediately.

What flabbergasts me is, instead, we’ve seeing nothing but an eerie silence from our national health managers on the topic.

We might ask why. But my conclusion is based on this quote:

Humans are driven by incentives.

For some reason the national health managers in the US are not incentivized to discover and publicize cheap, highly effective treatment for COVID-19.

They instead have some other incentives. What exactly they are I can’t say for sure, but we can clearly see that “saving lives” is not high on their list.

As far as determining what is driving them, it sure looks like this is a major factor:

(Source – FDA)

The drug companies want to use the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) pathway to get their vaccines fast-tracked to the population.

While we can (and probably should) argue about whether that’s a worthy goal, the fact that Ivermectin’s 90% rate of blockage of the development of COVID symptoms/infection should probably prevent the EUA from being a viable path for development for these companies.

But the priority now seems to be: block the mention and/or study of possibly effective cheap and widely availalble treatments so they can’t trip-up the EUA machinery. In other words: Just push the vaccine.

I mean, it would knee-cap the marketing and broad adoption of a vaccine if people had a legit alternative.  Especially if people had concerns about the rushed development process of the current vaccine candidates in which numerous time-based safety parameters simply couldn’t be run.

Are safety concerns legitimate right now?  Of course they are. Don’t let anyone try and convince you otherwise.

There’s has never been an mRNA vaccine before.  There’s lots we simply don’t know about efficacy, side-effects or duration of immunity.

These new vaccines could be the next amazing development in vaccine technology since the first cowpox stick magically protected people against smallpox. Or a lot of complexities and undesirable outcomes we don’t yet know about may emerge.

While I understand the broadly-stated need for a vaccine, and while I am acutely aware of the damage that COVID has done to the health of hundreds of thousands of patients, the lack of interest in effective other treatments that our national health managers have so far displayed has my full attention.

The heroes of COVID are the hardworking doctors and nurses who, on their own very limited time, have managed to work out effective treatments.

The incredible crew at the Easter Virginia Medical School (EVMS) headed up by Dr. Paul Marik developed the MATH+ protocol which has evolved into a full treatment regimen spanning from pre-exposure prophylaxis to severe in-hospital Covid treatment.

Its cornerstone?  Ivermectin.

I’m convinced that if the entire world were using this protocol, patient deaths and suffering from COVID would be drastically reduced.

EVMS’ treatments have ridiculously wide margins of safety, practically no side effects worth mentioning, and display incredible clinical benefits.

So the question becomes: Why aren’t western countries (the US in particular) putting all their efforts into distributing Ivermectin and promoting this protocol?

Sadly, there isn’t a good answer to this question.  Only bad ones.  Ones that place profit above concern for people’s lives and health.

An Important Decision Looms

I didn’t write this article just to point out the obvious and magnificent failings of the national health managers.  I’m writing it to alert you to the fact that an effective COVID treatment now exists.

If you or a loved one has COVID, or thinks they do, implement the Math+ protocol immediately.

If your doctor or health system won’t administer Ivermectin, go to a different one.  Again, immediately.  Time counts.

If unable to get Ivermectin through ‘approved’ channels, a growing number of people have discovered that it’s widely available for pets and farm animals.  While I can’t comment on that strategy for legal reasons, I certainly do understand the desire of these people to do whatever’s necessary to protect their own lives as well as those of the ones they love.

I should also point out that vaccines and Ivermectin do entirely different things. They’re not really in competition. Or, at least, they shouldn’t be.

A vaccine will help to prevent contracting the virus at all.

But what if you do? Well, then you’d likely want to have access to Ivermectin as an option in your treatment regimen.

(I should note here that some of the people who got the placebo in all of the current vaccine trials did become seriously ill with COVID.  As far as I know, none of them were offered Ivermectin as a possible therapy.  Consider the ethics of that for a minute…)

The main conclusion is that a very ugly thing is playing out in our medical system.  People’s health and very lives are being sacrificed just to make the drug companies a few more bucks and to satisfy other egoic desires of those in power.

We all need to be acutely aware how much of a danger this mismatch between our personal best interests and their incentive is. This is why I continue to parse through the data and seek out actionable insights.

We’re at that awkward stage of the COVID story where remaining ignorant of what’s happening is a plan in itself. One with real consequences.

It’s looking like we’ll all have important decisions to face soon: Should I take the vaccine or not? Should I wait? Will I be allowed to wait?  What sorts of issues should I be on the lookout for?

In Part 2: My Personal Strategy For The Coming COVID Vaccine I lay out the biochemistry behind how the current mRNA vaccine candidates work, and share my own personal plans for whether, when, and under what conditions I may consider taking them. I also share my recent personal experiences with Ivermectin.

As mentioned, we all will soon have an important choice to make. For our own health and for those you care about.

Be sure to make that choice as informed as possible.

Click here to read Part 2 of this report (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access).

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  • Fri, Dec 04, 2020 - 8:28pm

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    pinecarr

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    You go, Chris!

    Thank-you for coming right out and calling things the way you see them, and for helping us to see as well.   This certainly has been a year of massive disillusionment!  I appreciate your leadership in showing that it doesn't also have to be a year for silently rolling over and taking it.

     

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  • Sat, Dec 05, 2020 - 5:25am

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    pgp

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    People Never Strive.

    Its easy to forget  just how lack-luster people can be.  It's actually rare for people to take ownership of a problem and without severe (life and death) incentive, strive for a better solution.  I would even go so far as to say that the management (ruling) personality type, who seeks popularity and entertainment over statistics, philosophy and knowledge, exhibits this lackluster behavior more than any other social class.

    The reasons are simple: laziness, popularity and politics.  The management/ruling personality is not driven to power from a desire to "change the world".  Instead they covet the glory of title and an easy-life.  What could be more cushy than warming a seat in a meeting room when the alternative is hard physical labor or the demand of heavy thinking in a career of scientific research or applied engineering.

    As a meritocracy we should expect more from our ruling class but our culture is still only barely post-Victorian and the smart minds and driven personalities that could make a difference are still trapped in middle class anonymity.  The business-lunch craving executives and G8 frequenting magnates and politicians of the modern ruling class, care only about the votes they need to buy to guarantee their next outing.

    A broken culture can't be fixed with the good intentions of a wise few, it needs to burn to the ground before reinvention can work.

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  • Sat, Dec 05, 2020 - 5:57am

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    brushhog

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    My plans for the vaccine?

    Very simple, I will not take it under any circumstances. Ive said from the beginning and I'm holding to my declaration; the only way they will get that vaccination in me is to come to my house, hold me down and inject me.

    The reasons why might not be what you think; Of course, I dont trust the system that created it. Of course I'm not convinced of the vaccine's safety. But there is a MUCH bigger issue here; I will not be forced.

    Tyrannical governments have killed WAY more people than covid ever will. This is a much bigger danger. Anyone who is really interested in public safety cannot ignore this.

    To focus on "covid", the "efficacy of a vaccine", "treatments" and etc in the name of public health while ignoring the encroaching mandates, surveillance, fraud, corrupt media and utter disregard for individual liberty is like ignoring a brain tumor in order to focus on a hang nail.

    I really dont care if the vaccine works or not. Thats not the issue here. The issue is, we are facing the greatest danger to human life and freedom; a tyrannical government. The only cure is resistance. We have to push back, we have to stand up, we have to refuse to comply. We have to get them to back down.

    Personally, Im a little excited. This is what I practice self reliance for. This is my line in the sand. I'm going the distance on this one.

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  • Sat, Dec 05, 2020 - 6:04am

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    wlhaught

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    If it wasn't for the the fact that DeWine put the skids to a banning of HCQ...

    ...I'd be calling for his impeachment.  Got nothing but worse than gaslighting yesterday from his misadministration such as the vaccines getting FDA approval, maybe some day, but who knows how many hundreds of thousands or millions of cases of narcolepsy, auto immune disorders, and he-who-shall-not-be-named knows what else we will have by then.  At least in regard to HCQ he at least sort of did one thing right.  Many governors across the country are far worse than even he is in the Divided Failed States of America (DFSA).  We are going to have an illegitimate President come 12:00pm EST January 20, 2021.  I recognize Bernard Sanders, the candidate that would have won if there was not mysterious red-shifts, not fake blue-shifts promoted by fake populists who are actually corporatists/fascists in nearly every (s)election of the new millennium, perhaps worldwide, but definitely in the DFSA.

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  • Sat, Dec 05, 2020 - 6:25am

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    LesPhelps

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    Private Profit vs Public Health/Data in 100% alignment

    Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn did a study of dying heart patients.  He put 24 on a strict zero cholesterol, low fat plant based diet.  6 of the patients would not follow the diet and were dismissed from the study early on.  The remaining 18 patients lived for years.  These 18 patients had 49 cardiovascular issues in the five years preceding the study.  During the extended study, there was one angina event, when one of the participants strayed from the diet for a few months.

    Dr. T. Collin Campbell did a cancer study on mice that were exposed to high levels of aflatoxin.  Mice in the study were fed a diet of either 5% animal protein or 20% animal protein.  100% of the mice consuming 20% animal protein developed cancer, while none of the mice eating 5% animal protein developed cancer.

    These are only two of many studies and they are readily available on the internet and in books.

    The thing is, none of them are being “shouted from the rooftops” by the mainstream media, the CDC, the NIH, the FDA or the WHO.

    Why? Money.  Think Cattlemen’s Association, American Association of Meat Producers, American Dairy Council, U.S. Poultry and Egg Association and all the food manufacturers.

    I’d love to see studies that show how plant based people are faring with Covid-19.  Unfortunately, plant based people are rare and our society doesn’t recognize the importance of nutrition in a meaningful way.

    Why don’t people self educate?  Good question.

    Our society doesn’t segregate food into addictive and non-addictive categories like we do other consumables like alcohol and opioids.

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  • Sat, Dec 05, 2020 - 8:48am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    We All Have Different Alarm Clocks

    I guess my question would be after having been a VP at Pfizer one at this late date have any hope whatsoever in Big Pharma having anything other than profit as their motivation.

    I have known for over 55 years that the system is hopelessly (I repeat hopelessly for you Trumpites, Bidenites Burnieites oor any other ites out there) broken beyond repair, My first clue? Vietnam. Of course in parallel would be the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK. Growing up in the 60's gives one a rather clear picture of how the US is organized.

    Of course when one enjoys the fruits of empire it is not only easy but required one turn a blind eye to systemic injustice, monetarily, socially and legally. As long as one resides at the top of Maslow's Pyramid when can avoid looking more deeply at the endemic rot.

    Since the mid 60's I have looked with a critical eye at the empire and have a hard time seeing anything that functions well except for the Military Industrial Congressional Complex. The entire government has been captured by corporate Amerika. The narrative is controlled by 6 corporations. Amerikaans are fed a steady diet of Amerikaan exceptionalism. If one accepts the definition of Fascism as the melding of corporations with the state then we have been Fascist for decades. We even have corporations issuing USD. One of the main characteristics of Fascism is nationalism. It is clear that nationalism is a major part of the Amerikaan Zeitgeist. Look at the front of the NYSE. That has to be the largest Amerikaan flag in the world. Why? Doesn't everybody already know we are in Amerika? How many people fly flags at their homes. I have been many places around the world. I can't remember ever seeing anyone flying their flag at their home.

    This virus has exposed the reality that is Amerika. The reality is every institution is a failure. There are over 59 million people in this country on welfare. The government has borrowed over 27 trillion USD. That means we have stolen the futures of our children and grandchildren. To put that into perspective everyone here knows a $trillion is a stack of $1000 bills stretching 68 miles into outer space. If one were to take that stack and 26 more and lay them end to end it would stretch From NYC 100 miles past Cheyenne Wyoming . Many of us will see it stretch to the Pacific. The treasury is being looted and the economy hollowed out daily. Blackrock is administering PPP.  Hedge funds are getting "bailed out". Does that sound like foxes guarding the hen house?

    If you are not a boomer you are screwed. The system was designed for boomers. Does any Millennial seriously believe they will get SS? Medicare? How about the student loan debt they are saddled with? Amerika is feasting on its young.

    Sorry to be so long winded but the FDA, CDC suppressing cheap effective therapeutics is not surprising. Being force fed a vaccine is totally expected. The system is dedicated to absolute control of every aspect of everyone's life. We don't have a dictator, we have a totalitarian system.

    Thinking on any level deep down or otherwise that good people will come to the fore and make good decisions is beyond naive. For a country that believes in rugged individualism the reality is dawning that ruly you are on your own. It's the end of empire and the fruits are rotting on the ground.

    May the odds be always in your favor.

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  • Sat, Dec 05, 2020 - 9:39am

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    dwatney

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    Could explain a lot

    The demonization of HCQ simply because Trump was pushing it seemed like a bit of a stretch. Demonizing HCQ because Trump broke "radio silence" about it and that made it a threat to EUAs seems more plausible.

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  • Sat, Dec 05, 2020 - 9:58am

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    Beckett Bennett

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    Proof That Lockdowns Are Working!

    JP says it better than I ever could! Enjoy

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  • Sat, Dec 05, 2020 - 11:35am

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    The Great Reset is admittedly weaponizing Covid

    If there was a real plan to radically reorder the whole world (called The Great Reset and Agenda 2030 and The Future We Want), and if powerful corporate, governmental and NGO leaders were on record advocating the strategic use of the Covid crisis to leverage their plans into every corner of the world and every corner of every day life which would otherwise be unsuccessful, then it makes sense that “they” would be doing exactly what they’re doing. 1) As always, they are conditioning the public to passively depend on corporations and governments working hand-in-glove to discover the truth for us and solve all our significant problems. 2) They are taking actions and establishing policies that will insure that the “solutions” always produce more power and profit for the fascist government-corporate edifice and proportionately less of both for The Dirt People.  3) “They” are already engaging their narrative-creating machine to crush anyone or anything that conflicts with that narrative. At this point, they have mostly only engaged their soft power assets to accomplish this, but they have plans and assets to use coercion, the threat of force, and the actual use of violence to insure that no dissenters or Kulaks can muddy the narrative or in any significant ways thwart their self-appointed powers and policies.

    So of course we should expect alternatives like MATH+ to be ignored and, if they attract too much attention, to be actively suppressed just like DWSNBN was.  In fact it seems to me that we’re overdue to have Ivermectin memory-holed. When that happens we can resort to calling it DWSNBN-2.

    We should also expect “them” to use their soft power first to enforce taking the vaccine and submitting meekly to lockdowns and what not. The last thing they’ll use is physical force, such as sending armed teams to your house to forcibly vaccinate you. They’ll start by requiring employees get vaccinated or get fired, and big corporations (like airlines and medical corporations and banks/financial services) will refuse services and products to the unvaccinated. Then admission to government buildings and services will be denied to the unvaccinated. Probably only after all the soft power steps have been implemented will they bring out the coercion and guns. In the US we have already had to submit proof of health insurance coverage with our mandatory annual tax forms. Think of how easy it would be to insert the demand that we each provide our vaccination records with our tax filings, or else.

    To me, everything they want to accomplish will be made MUCH easier and universal by establishing a one-world digital currency (or multiple central bank digital currencies that cooperate so closely that they are essentially one). This digital currency will have to be forced upon The Dirt People with the threat of violence (like the Federal Reserve note is) if nothing else works. But expect them to first employ their soft powers and narrative-making. The digital currency may be given away with a cash balance (sort of like a gift card today and just like China just did on a small scale). A debt jubilee may be announced but to receive the $50,000 to pay off your debts you must accept it in the form of a central bank digital currency account while closing all your other bank accounts. Only after the public has started to accept the new central bank payment system will coercion and violence be employed to sweep up the dissenters and refuseniks. Or, if events force their hand before they are ready, an announcement would be made by President Harris on a Sunday afternoon (like Nixon in August 1971) that electronic bank accounts and Federal Reserve notes (cash) were to be phased out in one month and everyone was required by law to exchange them for new digital central bank accounts at whatever exchange rate she decreed. https://www.theorganicprepper.com/covid-vaccine/

    I can’t help but get a little paranoid about the vaccine too. Couldn’t it be designed by an evil genius to further some other goals like depopulation and ultimate control. What if the vaccine “accidentally” sterilized 50% of fecund young people or caused one billion deaths? What if “they” discovered that the virus “accidentally” created an often fatal illness unless counteracted by another corporate-government temporary cure every 6 months. It would be like the “lysine contingency” in the movie Jurassic Park. Disobey the corporate-government dictates? No six month shot for you. Bye bye.  (“The Lysine Contingency was a genetic alteration Henry Wu performed in the dinosaur genome. The modification knocked out the ability of the dinosaurs to produce the amino acid Lysine. This forced the dinosaurs to depend on lysine supplements provided by the park's veterinary staff. In this way, dinosaurs could never escape from the park because they would never survive long without the food supplements. The Lysine contingency was intended to prevent the dinosaurs from damaging the global ecosystem.”) https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/wiki/Lysine_contingency

    “Happy Hunger Games! And may the odds be ever in your favor.”

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  • Sat, Dec 05, 2020 - 2:55pm

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    nordicjack

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    This is the epitome of the whole system and problems

    This is one of those topics you really dont want to get me started on.  I am sure all here are on page with each other.  Its amazing that those in power are still in power.  as this could not happen otherwise.   I always say people ( our governors ) cannot be this stupid  - it has to be by design ..  I really begin to think how perverse the system is and are people lives being threatened.. it must really run deep - either take the money and play - or be dead along with your family.     Yes, they want us dead. they want to kill our economy. .at least those in the lower 90%.   yes they want us to need them more. they want to control our health but want us to pay for it with our lives and our life savings.   No way people are this stupid -- even the stupidest people are not close to this ignorant.  you can only come to one conclusion..  We want you enslaved., we want all you own.. and we want your health as well as that is the easiest way to keep you subdued.

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 3:47am

    pgp

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    pgp said:

    Ignorance gets more and more popular in the new age...

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 7:50am

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    KugsCheese

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    I-Mask+ Protocol?

    Typo?  Update: read protocol article where the MATH+ was updated to I-MASK+ protocol.

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 9:54am

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    Mike from Jersey

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    mRNA dangers

    A German doctor has called for a halt of all studies dealing with the Pfizer vaccine. He cited an animal study dealing with what was apparently the same technology used by Pfizer. In the study, all of the animals initially had good responses to the vaccine but every last animal tested died when they actually encountered the real virus, due to an exaggerated autoimmune response.

     

    The doctor had been a former executive of Pfizer. 

     

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 10:33am

    brushhog

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    That link is terrifying

    Those Pfizer Doctors lay out a good case for concern about this vaccine;

    1. It changes your DNA and your body's response to the virus. In animal studies, those injected with the vaccine tolerated it well, but when they were exposed to the real "wild" virus their bodies had an exaggerated immune response and they literally all died.

    2. Effects the DNA in a way that may cause the body to attack  chemicals responsible for the development of the placenta, therefore rendering women sterile indefinitely.

    3. Allergic responses to one of the chemicals in the vaccine are common.

    4. There has been too little test time to properly estimate the side effects of such a vaccine.

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 11:17am

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    Barbara

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    Beyond expertise to understanding via critical investigation

    Few "experts" on this site.  Just as Chris makes the distinction between Managers (incompetent ones at that) and Leaders (none in sight) , so also on the science and technology side, we must continually make a distinction.

    We have "Experts" (CDC clowns and others for sale to the highest bidder) and we have investigators (like Chris).

    Experts are the good students who memorize their teacher's prattle and regurgitate it verbatim.  They invented certifications and have them all.  Unfortunately, in a rapidly changing world their book learning, certification and checklist were outdated before they were even generated.  In my 40+ years in large corporations, the culture moved. When I started technical management attempted to identify individual merit as new people joined the company and quickly move everybody into a position that fit their capacities.  I ended up in a supervisory track because I was the only technically trained person in the division who could do budgets and accounts (my bookkeeper mom made sure I had the basics).  Now, credentials are everything.  Critical thinking and capability to look at work from lots of perspectives, not so much.

    If you're not familiar with Snowden's Cynefin model, it's worth considering as identifying another driver of our problem besides malevolence and incompetence.  Our current life conditions are beyond the capacities of the "Experts".

    The realm of expertise is the realm of repeatability.  We develop massive lists of codified rules to tell us how to respond in every situation.  You can recognize an "Expert" because he just responded, "Yes, that's what's great about my expertise.  I can tell you exactly what to do".

    Now those of us on the PP site are more complex thinkers.  I'm willing to bet that almost all of you thought - wait, what if this is a problem we never saw before?  Congratulate yourselves, Investigators.  You inhabit the real, complex and often even chaotic world where the checklists aren't worth the paper they were written on.
    In complex (adaptive) systems, we do know a lot about the system.  We've seen similar things in the past and we can have intuitions about what to do to understand what's going on.  Investigators, unlike Experts, immediately realize this is NOT your grandmother's version of the problem.  We haven't seen things happening like this before.

    Complexity is the realm of parallel investigation for understanding and strategic tweaking of the system to see what happens.  Experience with the system (not the Expert's checklist) can be valuable, but only if you are capable of expecting and looking for surprises.

    The PP group can also work in the Chaotic realm, where rapid [small-scale] prototyping with good backup/backout plans is critical.   Be careful not to get fooled by thinking the world is symmetrical.  In most systems there are a few solutions that keep the system working, but lots that have obvious [to those beyond mere Expertise] fatal flaws leading to catastrophic failure [e.g. Fauci's early lie about masks should have been ruled out as leading to catastrophe by instilling doubt -assuming creating doubt was NOT the intention.]

    A decision making approach for resilience

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 12:07pm

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    2retired said:

    The discussion reminds me of the lessons from a book on the Burgess Shale (not a light read), where the fossil record reveals that survival favours the adaptable to a randomness of influences.

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 2:41pm

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    nordicjack

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    EU Vaccine Dr

    yeah that really makes its sound bad,.   it is quite unethical.   There is no doubt in my mind that this is not a vaccine.  it clearly genetic engineering.  And it clearly unethical in itself to say its a vaccine.

    But not only to the verifiable history of ADE response in animals is not enough, the potential immune response to placental tissue and use of highly immune stimulating PEG, is just insanity.   In the end, it is clearly unethical and irresponsible.   Not sure how they can do this without a clear conscience.   Again, I wonder if they disclosed the previous ADE study results from animal studies on sars cov -- and mers and others to the vaccine candidates..  as required by law.   I am pretty sure they have not.    of they have used such terms to confuse those people into thinking immune enhancement is a good thing.. and not a deadly thing..

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 3:20pm

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    Mike from Jersey

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    Petition to EU to stop vaccine trials

    Here is an easily understandable quote from the petition to stop vaccine trials:

    For a vaccine to work, our immune system needs to be stimulated to produce a neutralizing antibody, as opposed to a non-neutralizing antibody. A neutralizing antibody is one that can recognize and bind to some region (‘epitope’) of the virus, and that subsequently results in the virus either not entering or replicating in your cells. A non-neutralizing antibody is one that can bind to the virus, but for some reason, the antibody fails to neutralize the infectivity of the virus. In some viruses, if a person harbors a non-neutralizing antibody to the virus, a subsequent infection by the virus can cause that person to elicit a more severe reaction to the virus due to the presence of the non-neutralizing antibody. This is not true for all viruses, only particular ones. This is called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), and is a common problem with Dengue Virus, Ebola Virus, HIV, RSV, and the family of coronaviruses. In fact, this problem of ADE is a major reason why many previous vaccine trials for other coronaviruses failed. Major safety concerns were observed in animal models. If ADE occurs in an individual, their response to the virus can be worse than their response if they had never developed an antibody in the first place. This can cause a hyperinflammatory response, a cytokine storm, and a generally dysregulation of the immune system that allows the virus to cause more damage to our lungs and other organs of our body. In addition, new cell types throughout our body are now susceptible to viral infection due to the additional viral entry pathway. There are many studies that demonstrate that ADE is a persistent problem with coronaviruses in general, and in particular, with SARS-related viruses. ADE has proven to be a serious challenge with coronavirus vaccines, and this is the primary reason many of such vaccines have failed in early in-vitro or animal trials. For example, rhesus macaques who were vaccinated with the Spike protein of the SARS-CoV virus demonstrated severe acute lung injury when challenged with SARS-CoV, while monkeys who were not vaccinated did not.

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 7:11pm

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    Reply to petition to stop EU vaccine trials- mice SARS vaccine study 2012

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

    Here's a study from 2012 w mice:

    Immunization With SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology when challenged on challenge with SARS virus

    Chien-Te Tseng 1Elena SbranaNaoko Iwata-YoshikawaPatrick C NewmanTania GarronRobert L AtmarClarence J PetersRobert B Couch

    Design: Four candidate vaccines for humans with or without alum adjuvant were evaluated in a mouse model of SARS, a VLP vaccine, the vaccine given to ferrets and NHP, another whole virus vaccine and an rDNA-produced S protein. Balb/c or C57BL/6 mice were vaccinated i.m. on day 0 and 28 and sacrificed for serum antibody measurements or challenged with live virus on day 56. On day 58, challenged mice were sacrificed and lungs obtained for virus and histopathology.

    Results: All vaccines induced serum neutralizing antibody with increasing dosages and/or alum significantly increasing responses. Significant reductions of SARS-CoV two days after challenge was seen for all vaccines and prior live SARS-CoV. All mice exhibited histopathologic changes in lungs two days after challenge including all animals vaccinated (Balb/C and C57BL/6) or given live virus, influenza vaccine, or PBS suggesting infection occurred in all. Histopathology seen in animals given one of the SARS-CoV vaccines was uniformly a Th2-type immunopathology with prominent eosinophil infiltration, confirmed with special eosinophil stains. The pathologic changes seen in all control groups lacked the eosinophil prominence.

    Conclusions: These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

     

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 7:41pm

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    Additional info EU anti-vaccine petition- Could lead to infertility in women

    https://newsrescue.com/doctors-former-pfizer-respiratory-vp-chief-scientific-advisor-file-petition-covid-vaccine-could-be-linked-to-infertility/

    "The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:

    1. The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
    2. The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
    3. The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
    4. The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020."

     

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  • Sun, Dec 06, 2020 - 9:19pm

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    some fantastic comments here but ultimately, it comes down to this

    And Gerald Celente had the guts to say it out loud.

    "The Trends Journal is giving its annual top trends for 2021 soon. Celente has one very ominous trend coming for the global economy. Celente predicts, “One of our top trends is the ‘Greatest Depression.’ Lives have been destroyed around the world. This is unprecedented. There is something bigger than politics about what is going on. . . . To me, this is satanic. What they are doing to people’s lives and destroying their businesses is unprecedented in world history, and it’s not only in the United States, it’s worldwide, except China where the virus allegedly began. They are wide open.”

    So, are the dark powers wanting to destroy the global economy on purpose? Celente says, “We are living in hell on earth. This is the ‘Great Reset.’ It’s in black and white. The guy who wrote the book, that Davos creep, it’s there. The multi-nationals are taking over. . . .They want to destroy small business and raise up the corporations. You got it, it’s right in front of your eyes. How much more proof do you need? They are putting the mom and pops out of business. They are gone. The streets are dead. At 10 o’clock at night, it’s a ghost town up here. New York City, it’s dead. Mid-town is gone. There are no neon lights shining bright on Broadway.”

    In closing, Celente says, “They are selling fear. . . . Look at the freak show in front of you. When are the people going to stand up for freedom, peace and justice? That’s our only way out of this. If you are going to listen to these little slimy lowlife bureaucrats . . . then all aboard the next train to Auschwitz, and don’t forget to put on your mask.”"

    There, did you hear it? In case you missed it, here it is again:

    "There is something bigger than politics about what is going on. . . . To me, this is satanic."

    Yes, this is bigger than money and politics but both of those are its tools.  This is about the ultimate battle between good and evil.  Celente is right.  It is satanic.   It is becoming hell on earth.  And we haven't seen anything yet.  This is not imagined.  It's not hyperbole.  It's not conspiracy theory.  This power supercedes political party, supposed religious affiliation, gender, age, race, ethnicity, nationality, etc. and all the other things that supposedly divide us.  It has been whispered about, hinted at, written about, and operating behind the scenes for millennia.  And now it's coming out into the open, big time.  But if you say this, you're obviously a kook detached from reality.  Oh yeah?  Wait and see.

     
    “Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
    Woodrow Wilson

     

     

     

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 7:29am

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    ao you are correct, but left this out

    Gerald Celente also says “when people have nothing left to loose, they loose it”!

    People are getting angry, and with good reason.  After their lives are destroyed they will be angry, frustrated and bitter.  That anger will become seething rage and contempt.  Cryptocurrencies, vaccine cards and portfolios will be useless in the dark.

    Remember I said the motto seems to be “I am okay but it sucks to be you”?  That won’t fly for long.

    Katness Everdeen to Panam  - (Hunger Games)

    “If we burn, you burn”.

    or perhaps - hell hath no fury as a people scorned

    Are we ready?

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 8:12am

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    pgp

    Yes ignorance is getting more popular, but is still way behind stupidity.

    You can fix ignorance

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 8:47am

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    Vaccines have been turned into bioweapons... and were they really ever that great?

    2020 has taken a lot of the wind out of my sails.

    I’ve gone from being pretty skeptical of all-things-corporate-and-governmental to being completely flabbergasted at just how transparently self-serving and power/money-hungry they actually are.

    You and millions upon millions of other people. I wish I had a number to point to, but I'd like to think the great awakening is happening in an exponential fashion.

    These new vaccines could be the next amazing development in vaccine technology since the first cowpox stick magically protected people against smallpox.

    Are you sure about that?:

    Click on the image for more info.

    A vaccine will help to prevent contracting the virus at all.

    Only theoretically. If history is anything to go by, they'll do the radical opposite of that. If they healed people, there's no money to be made, and without any legal liability, the incentive is to put toxins in them to main and harm people to generate long-term customers. In several countries, old people in homes are starting to fall like flies again after return to vitamin D deficiency + flu vaccine campaign by criminal governments even though flu is gone.

    The desired vaccine effect is achieved with high/optimal vitamin D levels, and optionally prophylaxis of ivermectin, chlorine dioxide, and (to a somewhat lesser extent) zinc+ionophores.

    It’s looking like we’ll all have important decisions to face soon: Should I take the vaccine or not?

    If the answer to that isn't obvious by now... Good luck.

    I guess you're bridging belief systems here though, recognizing that we have to move from decades of vaccine propaganda brainwashing into the understanding that they're being used as bioweapons.

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 8:53am

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    Magical tryptamines beyond melatonin (info more essential/shocking than you can imagine)

    BTW Chris & everyone, about melatonin and tryptamines that you mentioned in the other blog post...

    @Chris Martenson
    I know about melatonin and how that works. Same story as for Vitamin D. Who knew all the things it did? I certainly didn’t.

    And melatonin is just one of the magical tryptamines worth knowing about that underlie/modulate all other neurotransmission processes/brain-mind states.

    The endogenous tryptamines from most to least interesting are:

    • DMT (N,N-dimethyltryptamine): the frequency neuromodulator and interdimensional gateway to the higher densities of existence; dream inducer; astral projector; strongest hallucinogen known; the "Spirit molecule".
    • 5-MeO-DMT (5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine): a trace neuromodulator and one of the most powerful psychedelic drugs, can produce powerful internal visions and nondual/infinity perception, comparable only to DMT in intensity; the "God molecule".
    • serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine): the neurotransmitter with the widest range of functions attributed to it, serotonin is associated with regulation of mood, appetite, sleep, memory and learning, and "is popularly thought to be a contributor to feelings of well-being and happiness". Chronically increasing its levels using reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) is one of the worst ideas ever, but increasing levels using triple monoamine releasers (e.g. MDMA) is one of the most important experiences one can have (used once e.g. in a party setting or in psychotherapy to heal traumas).
    • melatonin (N-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine): the sleep-cycle-regulating neurohormone, released when no light is entering the eyes; sleep inducer; strong antioxidant & neuroprotective.
    • normelatonin (N-acetylserotonin; NAS): long assumed to be just a precursor molecule, but "known to have anti-depressant, neurotrophic and cognition-enhancing effects"; "NAS is distributed in some areas of the brain where serotonin and melatonin are not, suggesting that it may have unique central duties of its own instead of merely functioning as a precursor in the synthesis of melatonin".
    • 6-hydroxymelatonin (6-OHM): major active metabolite of melatonin; full agonist at MT1 and MT2, antioxidant and neuroprotective.
    • 5-methoxytryptamine (5-MT; mexamine): a full agonist ligand of serotonin receptors; "biosynthesized via the deacetylation of melatonin in the pineal gland".
    • tryptamine: neuromodulator and precursor molecule that forms the backbone of the tryptamine class of molecules.
    • N-methyltryptamine (NMT): precursor to DMT synthesis, as two methyl groups have to be added to tryptamine to create dimethyl-T.

    I could not possibly stress enough how relevant it is to research the optimal use of these most fundamental tryptamine neuromodulators, produced by the pineal gland (Anja chakra, Descartes' "seat of the soul") in the center of the brain, beyond just melatonin (chiefly the first 4, I added the others for completeness and to show that I've done the full research). Especially if you're at all pessimistic, sad, depressive, anxious, concerned, doubtful... i.e. experiencing persistent lower-frequency emotions (which are natural to experience but only for short periods, as emotions are supposed to be temporary fleeting experiences, you don't have to hold on to negative definitions that make you experience the undesirable emotions which then make you more likely to manifest parallel reality scenarios of negative polarity).

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 9:04am

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    Mohammed Mast

    Thought you might enjoy this one:)

     

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 9:30am

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    From Official Sources - Two Very odd Global Celebrations

    Hello

    Respecting this is an evidenced based site, I refer to two public ceremonies which to me, are extremely odd at the very least.  These are not recommended for bedtime viewing.  These big ticket events are not high school productions and they are as technically superb, as they are creepy.

    In the Opening Ceremony of the 2019 Military Games video, in my opinion, the most interesting part starts at 1:48.30.  Sparks of Fire -This is said to be from "Chinese Folklore". I guess a plane spreading chemtrails is from their folklore also . 2:09:20

    I also noted the nuanced Great Reset jargon.  "Community of Shared Future for Mankind".

    This next one is an "oldie but goodie".  The Gotthard Tunnel Opening.

    I am aware that there have been certain measures to debunk the Tunnel Opening Ceremony claiming the theme was from Swiss folklore.  I  lived in Geneva for five years and I could not really see a connection to traditional swiss culture and this production.  Maybe that both have goats and perhaps the bit with the watches...

    I simply put these out as "dots".

    Thank you

    NB  Anyone who has a hobby of studying the symbols of odd masonic tangents and Babylonian Luciferianism may indeed find these productions of special  interest.

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 9:54am

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    The collective suicide of the liberal class

    Chris Hedges: The Collective Suicide of the Liberal Class

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 10:44am

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    Thanks Mary59

    These big ticket events are not high school productions and they are as technically superb, as they are creepy.

    In the Opening Ceremony of the 2019 Military Games video, in my opinion, the most interesting part starts at 1:48.30.  Sparks of Fire -This is said to be from "Chinese Folklore".

    Yes a depiction of decimation by fire with white doves of peace flying forth in the aftermath.  Nothing creepy about that?

    Holy cow the amount of thought, planning, people, practice and money to create this event of a lifetime.  No wonder it wasn’t front and center. The global coordination, hard to comprehend.

    As Deagle.com reflects the disappearance of 227 million Americans by 2025.  Makes perfect sense now.  The best way to win a war is to never fire a single shot.

    I wonder if Chinese is offered at my local university?

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 1:24pm

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    Evil Indeed

    Agree, AO.

    Archibishop Vigano says the same thing (see letter to Pres Trump):  https://stpeterschulte.com/news/bulletin/2390-letter-carlo-maria-vigano/file

    It's right out in the open now.  What's surprising and extremely discouraging is the masses of seemingly well educated people who just follow along as they are told when contrary evidence is staring them in the face.

    The U.s. has always been a nation of, by and for the corporations and is now an oligarchy.  The corporate oligarchs are now in league with evil, and government, universities (and I hate to say the Catholic church) have been co-opted by and are controlled by money - and central banks provide the fiat capital.  They must be neutered or we are done.  They will just print and buy anyone and everyone to accomplish their rest and top down control.

    "The greatest trick the devil ever played is to convince people he doesn't exist".  How many  PP members fall into this camp?  After all, science has liberated us from that "superstitious nonsense," right?   I would suggest that the recent atrocities of the 20th century, Nazi genocides, Armenien genocides, Stalin's purges, Pol Pot etc, cannot be explained without recourse to evil.

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 4:26pm

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    HCQ

    Anybody with sufficient knowledge and expertise would care to go critically go through this study to verify its validity. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.16.20194571v2.full.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0DNjBzjW9rGnmJ6fg7ESElnZ4xS9MRXPG3mVD5M6gG48D1hBxTde_Xs2U

    I wish I could do it on my own, but unfortunately I lack the expertise.  Said study was sent to me by a cousin in an ongoing debate about effectiveness of HCQ against COVID.

    Thanks in advance

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 4:57pm

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    LouisDoran...

    I can answer that in two quotes from the paper;

    1)  "Results for hydroxychloroquine are dominated by RECOVERY and WHO SOLIDARITY, two highly pragmatic trials, which employed relatively high doses and included 4716 and 1853 patients, respectively (67%of the total sample size)."

    Relatively pragmatic studies?  How about, criminally negligent (in the case of Recovery) by using such high doses of HCQ

    2)  We found that treatment with hydroxychloroquine was associated with increased mortality in COVID-19 patients, and there was no benefit of chloroquine. Findings have unclear generalizability to outpatients, children, pregnant women, and people with comorbidities.

    The included studies are for hospitalized patients.. that's why they at least admit that the findings may not be applicable to outpatients, i.e. EARLY TREATMENT!!!!

    We have known for quite a while that HCQ is effective as early outpatient treatment, and early ONLY.  Explain that to your thick-headed friend and include a link to the peer reviewed version of the Dr. Zelenko paper here;

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304258

    80% reductions in hospitalization AND mortality... using EARLY TREATMENT when symptoms first appear.  Best regards, Jim

    edit.. also see this site which shows clearly how the early treatment data falls out as always positive vs. the late treatment data which is more ambiguous;

    https://c19study.com/

     

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 5:06pm

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    louisdoran said:

    Thanks Jim. Just  the type of information I need.

     

     

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 5:15pm

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    did Chris's video last week re Ivermectin get removed from YouTube?

    Can't find it anywhere - anyone have a link?

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 5:24pm

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    no, it didn't

    I just found it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5-S49EqCJ8

    And embedded:

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 6:01pm

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    Thanks! Wondering why this important video is not uploaded to PP site yet?

    I am trying to spread the word so it helps to have the video here to link to.

    Thanks for your help!

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 8:02pm

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    Peggy said:

    Agreed there has been too little time to test the vaccine, and I personally will wait to take it, but one of the guys who wrote that article / petition has an agenda.

    https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/?fbclid=IwAR2JjCrNJ8rP0uOUlrvMrX0wGlmdc4UtIzFb7F4sbNsEZKRl7eprDxXOqY4

     Such a drag because I would really like solid data on the vaccine (Chris?) and it seems there's no one who's neutral in this story.

     (And don't go off on a fake news rant on me people, I'm about facts. Distortion and agendas on both sides is killing us. Literally.)

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/02/blog-posting/former-pfizer-employee-wrong-coronavirus-pandemic-/

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 8:14pm

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    Meta studies about HCQ and IVM are awesome but...

    We have to be careful about how much we are biting off when we confront someone with ideas that are outside their current experience.

    When I think of why I obtained these medications (as well as supplements and antibiotics mentioned here countless times) it comes down to "risk adjusted decisions".

     

    Westerners as a group are so desperate for an authority figure to tell them what to do that for sure is gonna work, that they are unable to process an argument like "HCQ is nearly risk free/side effect free unless you are an idiot with dosage so taking it during early covid symptoms or as prophylaxes is a good bet because there is both a theoretical basis for suspecting that it works and there are tons of studies of varying quality that show promising results."

     

    If you offer the evidence to the science direct site, you are liable to be met either with a smart ass who wants to be pedantic with the site copy or by someone simply throwing up their arms and saying, "If its as good as this, then why don't *real* experts promote it?"

     

    BTW, my answer to that question is, "I don't know".  I'm not gonna start down the road of explaining my alien (to them) conception of how politics works on top of  trying to sell the idea of malaria drugs and horse dewormers as covid treatments.

     

    I try to keep a simple concrete goal in mind when I engage someone.   Even that often fails, but at least there is a small hope that way.

     

    Someone in my family is in a care home and has many comorbidities.   I told their son about vitamin D and mentioned "There are some pretty surprising studies out there and in the end, its $4 worth of vitamins that she should have anyway, whats the downside?"  I just gently pointed out that people stuck indoors are gonna be even more deficient than regular people who everyone knows are also deficient.

     

    After that I just said flat out, "I also have HCQ and Ivermectin if you ever decide you want those, but Ill leave that up to you."   I didnt say, "You wont believe what those fuckers are hiding from us!!!".   I didn't say, "Your mom is going to die unless you ignore her doctor and listen to me and my internet friends, heres a link to studies you can't read because you never went to med school".

     

    I just want to help people around me, not alienate them with radically different thinking.

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  • Mon, Dec 07, 2020 - 8:29pm

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    Private vs Public Health systems; Reality

    Private Health Care System:

    Profit maximization is the core value.

    Bonuses paid to hospitals who record deaths as from Covid19

    New YorkCity: Population  8.77 million

    Corvid 19 official death count to date: 24,387

     

    Public Health Care system:

    Cuba: Population 11.34 million

    Deaths from Corvid19 to date: 136

    Free medical care for all

    No vaccines

    2.8 times the # of doctors per capita

    Source: WorldOmeter  12/7/2020

    Tired of my posting this stark contrast? Tune out  reality or learn from the failure of the medicine for profit model.

    Assume that the Cuban official numbers are lies just as the US testing and death statistics are manipulated for political ends.  Do you really think that accounts for such a stark contrast as two systems confront the same pandemic?

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 12:59am

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    No access to Chris' last video via Youtube

    From here in Austria, neither Chris' link, nor the alternative one in the comments is working. I get the message,  that it has been removed for violating YouTube's Terms of Service.

     

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 1:06am

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    You tube removed his video,

    I hope he put it on vimeo or another platform . Im sure it will disappear off Facebook now to bc they work together to suppress news

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 2:19am

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    Youtube Removed Chris's Last 2 Videos

    Jesus. What are we becoming? There was no mention of TWSNBN either, they were about Ivermectin.

    This is some scary shit. Here's one that's still up with similar info:https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus/flccc-alliance-calls-on-national-health-authorities-to-immediately-review-medical-evidence-showing-the-efficacy-of-ivermectin-for-the-prevention-of-covid-19-and-as-an-early-outpatient-treatment

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 3:08am

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    RandomMike said:

    Let's call it "Mectiniver" from now on.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:27am

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    Re: Youtube Removed Chris's Last 2 Videos

    I think it was just the last video that was deleted by Youtube.

    In my mind it is Youtube that is violating our cultural guidelines.  Free speech, free inquiry, questioning.

    They seem to be against all of these things, which means they are purveyors of the Great Reset which, it should be noted, is based on compliance, conformity and informational power asymmetry.

    Not surprising, but disappointing.

    These 'world improvers' seem to lack any sense of history.  Long periods of stasis and decline and/or sometimes collapse of civilizations were preceded by similar demands for obedience to a system of belief.

    I haven't even got the energy to submit an appeal.  To even do so suggests I've already lost something.  Something that needs to be appealed.  Instead I hold my head high knowing that my work has saved and/or improved many lives.

    I am 100% certain that studying the data is nothing to be ashamed of, or that requires appeal.

    But Youtube thinks otherwise.  To put a face to all this, here's the Karen, er Susan, in charge of things.

    I'm sure there are plenty of fine people working at Youtube.  It wasn't "Youtube" the amorphous blob that did this to me, or to countless other free-speech explorers, but this person.

    I like to remember that all of this comes down to individuals, not corporations.  The former reminds us of who really holds the power, the latter is disempowering because corporations are legal fictions, as it were, that have lawyers and crony judges and and entire ecosystem of defenders and protectors.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:44am

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    Here is the link to the actual study

    This study becomes more compelling because of the censorship. Please spread the data as best you can.

    https://ivmmeta.com/

     

     

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:46am

    Kathy

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    Kathy said:

    Maybe we could try blocking healthcare workers and doctors from ever leaving their state and mandating that they work for $15/hour.   If they decide they no longer want to be a doctor or nurse we incarcerate their family members and if they still resist we shoot them.

    Since we want to go with a Cuban model.   Getting a captive workforce might be all we need.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 4:56am

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    New York is faking numbers-really???

    You are being incredibly unfair. New York was the epicenter and I know a whole lot of people who came here from out of town and within the state to help out at the hospitals. They verify that a flood of cases occurred and many people died. We have lost friends/colleagues/family to this thing since March. I personally know dozens of people who were afflicted and became very ill.  The doctors and nurses generally don't give a damn about hospital profits when they are doing compressions on a Covid patient.  When they lose one they mourn, they don't count money for the hospital.  They lived in hotels to avoid killing their families with the virus. No one can explain why we got hit so hard here but it is so apparent that MANY people outside of the NY metro area don't have a clue about what we went through. Count your blessings that you don't.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:16am

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    westcoastjan

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    Alberta Premier shooting straight from the hip re Great Reset

    As much as I am not a fan of Jason Kenney, at least he has the balls to speak out against the Great Reset BS. Of course he will always say anything opposite to what (traitor) Trudeau espouses...

    Alberta Premier Kenney Rejects the Great Reset

    Here's to hoping more 'managers' reject this 'satanic' plan (thank you ao), which is obviously the chaos part of this Fourth Turning we are enduring.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:51am

    Mary59

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    Susan don like da banana flavour

    Das why she mad boss n stompin hup er oofs.

    she donnnnnnnnn like da banana one

    she wan da happle one

    Milady and Runner -well dem love da banana paste but na Susan.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 5:56am

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    Chris’s Banned Video

    Chris please consider that banning your video as a badge of honor.  Your message hit the bullseye and made the incompetent and immoral look bad.

    People love to watch banned video’s after all we want to know what “they don’t want us to see”!  They are exciting to share and have a risque’ quality about them.  I would actually put “banned” on the thumbnail and upload to bitchute, brighteon and other sites.  Making something off limits only heightens the interest and desire.

    Hey, I have yummy chocolate chip cookies made from a secret recipe and they are fresh out of the oven, they are mouth watering and smell delicious- but you can’t have one.  See, you didn’t want that cookie until I told you - you can’t have one.  People will be interested in a video they are told they can’t see.

    Play this one up Chris, a rebel, a boat rocker, a man with a cause, people love that!  Go get-em - your a maverick!

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:02am

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    Are there alternative platforms besides YouTube?

    Can someone explain to me the best way to post content and/or videos to bypass the censors?

    I have joined Parler to get what info I can....Is Vimeo a better alternative to YouTube?

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:31am

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    Take a look here...

    https://www.corbettreport.com/goodbye-youtube-party-video/

    *tried to post a moment ago but the spam filter did not allow. Not sure what triggered it but alt media folks who have been banned on CensorTube are posting on Bitchute.

     

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 6:37am

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    Oliveoilguy

    Since Youtube’s (screwtube) censorship has become extreme, and some of my favorite sites have been banned I now frequent bitchute and brighteon.  Brandnewtube.com is a new site too.  They are not as user friendly or powerful as screwtube’s but I can search and find what I am looking for.

    I really like Vernon Coleman on Brandnewtube.com. “An old man in a chair”. He is a retired, British doctor.  You might enjoy him.

    https://brandnewtube.com/v/uiRIm9

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:26am

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    how videos get banned - people complain

    I think - my guess - Chris's video got banned by the "enthusiasm" of our recent new poster, Michael Stratil, Ph.D. Social Psychology, who seemed bent out of shape that Chris hadn't done his research on the subject matter at hand, and had the effrontery to say something negative about the popular (in some places) Dr. Anthony Fauci.

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/your-video-on-ivermectin-fauci/

    Fauci, if you recall, is the same guy who led the fantastic research effort to get those treatments to the American public in record time.

    Oh wait.  No treatments.  Wrong guy, sorry.

    Fauci was the "wear a mask, hunker down, and wait for the barely-tested vaccine, which won't protect you, but it will reduce symptoms."  I call him Mr 1918, because that's his approach.  Straight out of 1918.

    Apparently, Mr Social Psychology didn't approve of too much Fauci truth.  My guess is, he is the "minder" who complained to YouTube about the Chris violating some sort of guideline.  And of course YouTube was happy to help out a fellow traveler and suppress any criticism of the incredibly productive Anthony Fauci - the man who brought us all those treatments.

    Oh wait.  Sorry, wrong guy again.  No treatments.  After 9 months ... bupkis.

    We'd do better living in Turkey.  Or Egypt.  Or Argentina.

    Apparently pointing this out violates YouTube's community guidelines.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:31am

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    Apologies if this link has already been shared

    "Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro"

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

     

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:32am

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    My first time

    I have made a torrent of Chris' "banned" youtube update from Dec 4, 2020

    https://kennycloud.ca/index.php/s/QpZ8DzCM7PBBF6K

     

    This is the first time Ive made a torrent so please help me find out if it worked

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:53am

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    wheresdavid

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    I shared the ivermectin video with a retired Dr. ... Here is his medial groups response ...

    I sent Chris' latest (now banned) video to a retired surgeon who then sent it to a large Dr. group in Texas and below was their response about ivermectin (it's at the very bottom so I will post it here.)  - ●Ivermectin – Ivermectin has also been proposed as a potential therapy based on in vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2, but the drug levels used in vitro far exceed those achieved in vivo with safe drug doses [128]; various clinical trials of ivermectin are underway.  Bottom line, they wouldn't look at the studies in Chris' video, sad.

    COVID-19-SPECIFIC THERAPY

    Specific treatments under evaluation

    Dexamethasone and other glucocorticoids — We recommend dexamethasone for severely ill patients with COVID-19 who are on supplemental oxygen or ventilatory support. We use dexamethasone at a dose of 6 mg daily for 10 days or until discharge, whichever is shorter. If dexamethasone is not available, it is reasonable to use other glucocorticoids at equivalent doses (eg, total daily doses of hydrocortisone 150 mg, methylprednisolone 32 mg, or prednisone 40 mg), although data supporting use of these alternatives are more limited than those for dexamethasone. In contrast, we recommend that dexamethasone (or other glucocorticoids) not be used for either prevention or treatment of mild to moderate COVID-19 (patients not on oxygen). These recommendations are largely consistent with those of other expert and governmental groups [4,31-34]. (See 'Severe (including critical) disease'below.)

    Patients receiving glucocorticoids should be monitored for adverse effects. In severely ill patients, these include hyperglycemia and an increased risk of infections (including bacterial, fungal, and Strongyloides infections); the rates of these infections in patients with COVID-19 are uncertain. Nevertheless, pre-emptive treatment of Strongyloides prior to glucocorticoid administration is reasonable for patients from endemic areas (ie, tropical and subtropical regions). This is discussed elsewhere (see "Strongyloidiasis", section on 'Preventive treatment'). Major side effects of glucocorticoids are also discussed in detail elsewhere. (See "Major side effects of systemic glucocorticoids".)

    Data from randomized trials overall support the role of glucocorticoids for severe COVID-19. In a meta-analysis of seven trials that included 1703 critically ill patients with COVID-19, glucocorticoids reduced 28-day mortality compared with standard care or placebo (32 versus 40 percent, odds ratio [OR] 0.66, 95% CI 0.53-0.82) and were not associated with an increased risk of severe adverse events [35]. In another systematic review and network meta-analysis of randomized trials that evaluated interventions for COVID-19 and were available through mid-August 2020, glucocorticoids were the only intervention for which there was at least moderate certainty in a mortality reduction (OR 0.87, 95% CI 0.77-0.98) or risk of mechanical ventilation (OR 0.74, 95% CI 0.58-0.92) compared with standard care [36].

    The majority of the efficacy data on glucocorticoids in these meta-analyses comes from a large, randomized open-label trial in the United Kingdom in which oral or intravenous dexamethasonereduced 28-day mortality among hospitalized patients compared with usual care alone [37]. This trial included patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 who had no specific indications or contraindications to dexamethasone; 2104 and 4321 patients were randomly assigned to receive dexamethasone or usual care, respectively, and the proportions of baseline comorbidities and need for oxygen or ventilatory support were comparable between the two groups. Reductions in 28-day mortality with dexamethasone in the overall trial population and in prespecified subgroups were as follows:

    ●Overall – 17 percent relative reduction (22.9 versus 25.7 percent, rate ratio [RR] 0.83, 95% CI 0.75-0.93).

     

    ●Patients on invasive mechanical ventilation or extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) at baseline – 36 percent relative reduction (29.3 versus 41.4 percent, RR 0.64, 95% CI 0.51-0.81). Age-adjusted analysis suggested a 12.3 percent absolute mortality reduction.

     

    ●Patients on noninvasive oxygen therapy (including noninvasive ventilation) at baseline – 18 percent relative reduction (23.3 versus 26.2 percent, RR 0.82, 95% CI 0.72-0.94). Age-adjusted analysis suggested a 4.1 percent absolute mortality reduction.

     

    In contrast, a benefit was not seen among patients who did not require either oxygen or ventilatory support; there was a nonstatistically significant trend towards higher mortality (17.8 versus 14 percent, RR 1.19, 95% CI 0.91-1.55). Results were similar when analysis was restricted to the patients with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 (89 percent of the total population).

    This was a preliminary report, and some uncertainties remain. The baseline mortality rate in this report was higher than that from some other trials, and the absolute mortality benefit in other settings may not be as high as in this trial. Adverse effects (including secondary infections) were not reported. Patients on noninvasive oxygen therapy comprise a heterogeneous group, and additional details are needed to determine if there are subsets of patients in this group who would most benefit. Thus, overall confidence in the finding of a mortality benefit is low for patients with COVID-19 who need oxygen supplementation and moderate for those who are on mechanical ventilation (in part, given the effect size). Additional details from the trial may help increase confidence in the results.

    Data on the efficacy of other glucocorticoids are limited to smaller trials, several of which were stopped early because of the findings of the trial above [38-40]. Individual trials of hydrocortisone in critically ill patients failed to demonstrate a clear benefit [38,39]; in a meta-analysis that included three trials evaluating hydrocortisone, there was a nonstatistically significant trend toward reduced 28-day mortality compared with usual care or placebo (OR 0.69, 95% CI 0.43-1.12) [35]. Trials evaluating methylprednisone have not demonstrated a clear benefit. In a randomized trial from Brazil that included 393 patients with suspected or confirmed severe COVID-19 (77 percent of whom were on oxygen or ventilatory support), there was no difference in 28-day mortality rates with methylprednisolone compared with placebo (37 versus 38 percent) [41]. It is uncertain whether the apparent difference in results compared with the larger dexamethasonetrial is related to the glucocorticoid formulation and dose, other differences between the trial populations, or issues related to statistical power.

    Glucocorticoids may also have a role in the management of refractory shock in critically ill patients with COVID-19. These issues are discussed elsewhere. (See "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Critical care and airway management issues", section on 'Corticosteroids for COVID-19'.)

    Remdesivir — Remdesivir is a novel nucleotide analogue that has in vitro activity against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) [42]. If available, we suggest remdesivir for hospitalized patients with severe COVID-19 because data suggest it reduces time to recovery, which we regard as a clinical benefit. Among patients with severe disease, we prioritize remdesivir for those requiring low-flow supplemental oxygen because it may also reduce mortality in this population. However, the optimal role of remdesivir remains uncertain, and some guidelines panels (including the World Health Organization) suggest not using it in hospitalized patients because there is no clear evidence that it improves patient-important outcomes for hospitalized patients (eg, mortality, need for mechanical ventilation) [34,43]. Other guidelines panels, including the Infectious Diseases Society of America and the National Institutes of Health, suggest using remdesivir in hospitalized patients who require supplemental oxygen [4,32]. (See 'Severe (including critical) disease' below.)

    In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved remdesivir for hospitalized children ≥12 years and adults with COVID-19, regardless of disease severity [44]. The suggested adult dose is 200 mg intravenously on day 1 followed by 100 mg daily for 5 days total (with extension to 10 days if there is no clinical improvement and in patients on mechanical ventilation or ECMO). If a patient is otherwise ready for discharge prior to completion of the course, remdesivir can be discontinued. The pharmacokinetics of remdesivir in the setting of renal impairment are uncertain, and it is prepared in a cyclodextrin vehicle that accumulates in renal impairment and may be toxic; thus, remdesivir is not recommended in patients with an estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR) <30 mL/min per 1.73 m2 unless the potential benefit outweighs the potential risk. Given the short duration of therapy and the low concentration of the cyclodextrin vehicle, the risks in patients with renal impairment may be relatively low [45]. Liver enzymes should be checked before and during remdesivir administration; alanine aminotransferase elevations >10 times the upper limit of normal should prompt consideration of remdesivir discontinuation. Remdesivir should not be used with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine because of potential drug interactions.

    The FDA has also issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for the Janus kinase inhibitor baricitinib to be used in combination with remdesivir in patients with COVID-19 who require oxygen or ventilatory support [46]. However, we await additional data on the effect of baricitinib before using it with remdesivir in such patients. There is greater evidence of a benefit with dexamethasone in this population, and the safety and efficacy of using baricitinib with a glucocorticoid in patients with COVID-19 are unknown. (See 'Others' below.)

    Remdesivir has been evaluated for both severe and non-severe COVID-19 in hospitalized patients:

    Severe COVID-19 – Overall, data from randomized trials do not demonstrate a clear, major clinical benefit with remdesivir among hospitalized patients [47-51]. In a meta-analysis of four trials that included over 7000 patients with COVID-19, remdesivir did not reduce mortality (OR 0.9, 95% CI 0.7-1.12) or need for mechanical ventilation (OR 0.90, 95% CI 0.76-1.03) compared with standard of care or placebo [43]. This analysis, however, grouped patients with COVID-19 of all severities together, and based on results from one included placebo-controlled trial, there may be a mortality benefit for select patients with severe disease who only require low-flow supplemental oxygen. Results from that trial also indicate that remdesivir reduced time to recovery from severe COVID-19; in a smaller second trial that was stopped early for poor enrollment, there was also a trend toward reduced time to recovery with remdesivir, but it was not statistically significant. Data from these trials are detailed below:

     

    •In an interim report of the WHO-sponsored, multinational SOLIDARITY trial of patients hospitalized with COVID-19, there was no difference in overall 28-day mortality between the 2750 patients randomly assigned to open-label remdesivir and the 2708 patients assigned to standard care (RR 0.95, 95% CI 0.81-1.11) [49]. In an accompanying meta-analysis that included data from SOLIDARITY and the trials discussed below, there appeared to be a trend toward lower mortality with remdesivir among those who were not on mechanical ventilation at baseline, but this did not reach statistical significance (RR 0.8, 95% CI 0.63-1.01). There was no mortality benefit among those on ventilation at baseline (RR 1.16, 95% CI 0.85-1.60).

     

    •ACTT-1, a multinational, randomized, placebo-controlled trial of remdesivir(given for up to 10 days or until death or discharge) included 1062 patients with confirmed COVID-19 and evidence of lung involvement; 85 percent had severe disease and 27 percent were receiving invasive mechanical ventilation or ECMO at baseline [47]. Remdesivir resulted in a faster time to recovery, defined as discharge from the hospital or continued hospitalization without need for supplemental oxygen or ongoing medical care (median 10 versus 15 days with placebo; rate ratio for recovery 1.29, 95% CI 1.12-1.49). Remdesivir reduced time to recovery whether patients were randomized within or after 10 days of symptom onset. However, in subgroup analysis, the reduced time to recovery was only statistically significant among patients who were on low-flow oxygen at baseline. Among the subset of patients on mechanical ventilation or ECMO at baseline, the time to recovery was similar with remdesivir and placebo (rate ratio for recovery 0.98, 95% CI 0.70-1.36), although it is possible that follow-up was too short to detect a difference.

     

    Overall, there was a trend towards lower 29-day mortality that was not statistically significant (11.4 versus 15.2 percent with placebo, hazard ratio [HR] 0.73, 95% CI 0.52-1.03). Among the subset of patients who were on oxygen supplementation but did not require high-flow oxygen or ventilatory support (either noninvasive or invasive), there was a statistically significant mortality benefit at that time point (4.0 versus 12.7 percent, HR 0.30, 95% CI 0.14-0.64).

     

    •In contrast, in a double-blind randomized trial in China of 237 patients with severe COVID-19 (hypoxia and radiographically confirmed pneumonia), time to clinical improvement was not statistically different with remdesivir compared with placebo for 10 days (median 21 versus 23 days; HR for improvement 1.23 [95% CI 0.87-1.75]) [48]. Clinical improvement was defined as discharge from the hospital or a two-point improvement on a six-point clinical score that ranges from death to mechanical ventilation to lower levels of oxygen support to discharge. This study only included one patient who was on mechanical ventilation at baseline. Mortality at 28 days was also similar with remdesivir or placebo (14 versus 13 percent); there was also no difference in time to viral clearance. Among patients who had received treatment within 10 days of symptom onset, there were trends towards lower mortality and more rapid clinical improvement with remdesivir, but these differences were not statistically significant. Several limitations reduce confidence in the finding of no effect; concomitant therapies (lopinavir-ritonavir, interferon alpha-2b, and/or corticosteroids) were used by most study participants, patients in the remdesivir group had a higher proportion of comorbidities (hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and coronary heart disease), and the study was stopped early for poor enrollment (the target enrollment pre-determined to demonstrate effect was 435 patients).

     

    Although these trials evaluated 10 days of remdesivir, 5 days of therapy may result in similar outcomes in patients who do not need mechanical ventilation or ECMO. In an industry-sponsored, open-label randomized trial among nearly 400 patients who were hypoxic on room air or receiving noninvasive oxygen supplementation, the rates of clinical improvement and discharge by day 14 were numerically higher when remdesivir was given for 5 days (65 and 60 percent, respectively) versus 10 days (54 and 52 percent, respectively) [52]. However, patients in the 10-day group had higher rates of invasive or noninvasive ventilation and high-flow oxygen receipt at the time of remdesivir initiation, and on adjusted analysis, the differences in outcomes were not statistically significant. Mortality rates at day 14 were 8 and 11 percent with 5 and 10 days of treatment, respectively, and varied by geographic location. In a propensity analysis of a subset of participants in this trial, the adjusted clinical improvement rate was higher and the adjusted mortality rate was lower than those in a cohort of patients who had severe COVID-19 but did not receive remdesivir [53]. However, this comparison of patients from two separate studies should be interpreted with caution because of potential confounders in patient characteristics and management approaches that cannot be fully accounted for by the propensity analysis.

     

    Nonsevere COVID-19 – Among hospitalized patients with nonsevere disease, remdesivirmay have a modest benefit, but the clinical significance of the benefit is uncertain. In an open-label randomized trial, 584 patients with moderate severity COVID-19 (pulmonary infiltrates on imaging but oxygen saturation >94 percent on room air) were assigned to receive remdesivir for up to 5 days, remdesivir for up to 10 days, or standard of care [54]. By day 11, the five-day remdesivir group had better clinical status according to a seven-point scale compared with standard of care (odds ratio 1.65, 95% CI 1.09 to 2.48). There was not a statistically significant difference at day 11 in clinical status between the 10-day remdesivir group and the standard of care group. Although discharge rates by day 14 were higher with remdesivir (76 percent in each of the remdesivir groups versus 67 percent with standard of care), these differences were not statistically significant. Interpretation of this trial is limited by the open-label design and an imbalance in co-therapies.

     

    In ACTT-1, the large trial described above, remdesivir (given for up to 10 days) did not appear to reduce time to recovery among the 119 patients with mild-moderate disease (ie, no hypoxia or tachypnea; five versus six days, recovery rate ratio 1.29, 95% CI 0.91-1.83), although the number of patients in that subgroup was underpowered to show a significant effect [47].

     

    Reported side effects include nausea, vomiting, and transaminase elevations. In one trial, the most common adverse events were anemia, acute kidney injury, fever, hyperglycemia, and transaminase elevations; the rates of these were overall similar between remdesivir and placebo [47]. However, in another trial, remdesivir was stopped early because of adverse events (including gastrointestinal symptoms, aminotransferase or bilirubin elevations, and worsened cardiopulmonary status) more frequent than with placebo (12 percent versus 5 percent) [48].

    Convalescent plasma and other antibody-based therapies

    Convalescent plasma – Convalescent plasma obtained from individuals who have recovered from COVID-19 can provide passive antibody-based immunity. Neutralizing antibodies are thought to be the main active component; other immune mediators in plasma may also contribute. Convalescent plasma that contains high neutralizing antibody titers is hypothesized to have clinical benefit when given early in the course of disease, and it may be of particular interest for individuals with deficits in antibody production (eg, those receiving anti-CD20 therapies) [55]. However, the available evidence does not support a clear role for convalescent plasma in patients with severe disease. In the United States, convalescent plasma is available for hospitalized patients with COVID-19 through emergency use authorization [56]; nevertheless, because of the lack of evident benefit, we suggest not using convalescent plasma in hospitalized patients outside clinical trials. It is also being evaluated in outpatient populations and as post-exposure prophylaxis. (See 'Severe (including critical) disease' below and "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Convalescent plasma and hyperimmune globulin".)

     

    Randomized trials have not demonstrated a clear clinical benefit of convalescent plasma [57-60]. As an example, a placebo-controlled trial from Argentina that included 333 patients with severe COVID-19 found no differences in clinical status at 30 days (adjusted odds ratio 0.92, 95% CI 0.59-1.42) or in 30-day mortality (10.96 versus 11.43 percent, risk difference -0.46 percent, 95% CI -7.8-6.8) between convalescent plasma (with a median total antibody titer of 1:3200) and placebo [60]. The median time from symptom onset to enrollment was eight days, and 46 percent of the 218 patients who underwent baseline antibody testing had no detectable levels at enrollment. In an open-label trial from China, 103 patients with severe or life-threatening COVID-19 were randomly assigned to receive standard treatment with or without convalescent plasma [58]. Only plasma with a high titer of binding antibody was administered. Although convalescent plasma improved the rate of nasopharyngeal viral RNA clearance at 72 hours compared with standard treatment alone, there were no statistically significant differences in the overall rates of clinical improvement by 28 days. Among the subset of patients who had severe but not life-threatening disease, the rate of clinical improvement was greater with convalescent plasma (91 versus 68 percent, HR 2.15, 95% CI 1.07-4.32). There were trends toward lower mortality with convalescent plasma, but these were not statistically significant. The trial was stopped early for poor enrollment, which may have limited the ability to detect a statistically significant difference in clinical outcomes in the overall group. Additionally, convalescent plasma was administered quite late in the course of illness; the median time from symptom onset to randomization was 30 days. In another open-label trial from India that included 464 patients with hypoxia but no oxygen requirement, convalescent plasma did not reduce mortality or progression to severe disease compared with standard of care [59]. However, plasma was not pre-screened for neutralizing titers, and on post-hoc testing, the median titer in the donated plasma was only 1:40, which was lower than the median baseline titer among the trial participants.

     

    Use of convalescent plasma for severe COVID-19 has also been reported in observational studies, several of which suggest that administration of convalescent plasma with higher antibody titers and earlier in presentation are associated with a greater clinical effect [57,61-65]. As an example, in an unpublished report of over 35,000 patients who had or were at risk for severe COVID-19 and received convalescent plasma, plasma transfusion within three days of diagnosis was associated with lower unadjusted mortality rates compared with transfusion four or more days after diagnosis (8.7 versus 11.9 percent at day 7 and 21.6 and 26.7 percent at day 30) [64]. However, both overall mortality rate and time to plasma transfusion decreased over the course of the study; during the last month of the study, the difference between unadjusted seven-day mortality rates for transfusion within and after three days was smaller, at 6.1 versus 7.4 percent. An adjusted analysis estimated a 0.65 relative risk (95% CI 0.47-0.92) of mortality at day 7 with high versus low antibody titer plasma units, but this was based on a smaller number of patients, and there were several differences in baseline clinical severity between the two groups. These and other potential confounding factors highlight the limitations of these observational data; additionally, the lack of peer review to date warrants further caution when interpreting the results. Some smaller observational studies have not suggested a mortality benefit with convalescent plasma [66].

     

    The value of screening donor and plasma for sufficiently high neutralizing titers was highlighted in a small study in which none of 12 donated plasma specimens had a neutralizing titer >1:160 despite detectable binding antibodies, and none of the recipients had increases in neutralizing titers after transfusion [67]. However, routine testing for neutralizing activity may not be widely available. (See "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Convalescent plasma and hyperimmune globulin", section on 'Antibody measurements'.)

     

    Convalescent plasma has generally been well tolerated [68]. Preparation, administration, and adverse effects of convalescent plasma are discussed in detail elsewhere. (See "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Convalescent plasma and hyperimmune globulin".)

     

    Monoclonal antibodies – Trials of monoclonal antibodies that have been developed to neutralize SARS-CoV-2 by targeting the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and preventing viral cell entry are also underway. Hospitalized patients should only receive monoclonal antibodies as part of a clinical trial [4]. Evaluation of monoclonal antibodies in outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19 is discussed in detail elsewhere. (See "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Outpatient evaluation and management in adults".)

     

    In the United States, the FDA is also facilitating the evaluation of hyperimmune globulin for patients with COVID-19 [69].

    IL-6 pathway inhibitors — Markedly elevated inflammatory markers (eg, D-dimer, ferritin) and elevated pro-inflammatory cytokines (including interleukin [IL]-6) are associated with critical and fatal COVID-19, and blocking the inflammatory pathway has been hypothesized to prevent disease progression [70]. Several agents that target the IL-6 pathway have been evaluated in randomized trials for treatment of COVID-19; these include the IL-6 receptor blockers tocilizumab and sarilumab and the direct IL-6 inhibitor siltuximab.

    However, results from randomized trials, some of which have only been reported in press release form, do not indicate a mortality benefit or other clear clinical benefit of these agents [71-76]. As an example, one double-blind, randomized trial of 243 patients with severe COVID-19 who were not intubated but had evidence of a pro-inflammatory state (with elevations in C-reactive protein [CRP], ferritin, D-dimer, or lactate dehydrogenase) did not detect a difference in the rate of intubation or death with a single dose of tocilizumab compared with placebo (10.6 versus 12.5 percent, HR 0.83, 95% CI 0.38-1.81) [74]. Although there were more subjects older than 65 years in the tocilizumab arm, the HR was not statistically significant after adjustment for age and other clinical features. Tocilizumab also did not reduce the risk of disease progression (eg, worsening oxygen requirements). In another trial that included 131 hospitalized patients with COVID-19 who were not on ventilatory support, open-label tocilizumab did not reduce 28-day mortality compared with usual care, even though it did reduce progression to non-invasive or invasive ventilation or death at 14 days [75]. Additional trials of tocilizumab and other IL-6 pathway inhibitors, each in combination with other interventions, are ongoing.

    Results of these randomized trials contrast with those from observational studies, most of which identified an association between tocilizumab and decreased risks of intubation and/or death [77,78]. This discrepancy highlights the challenges in interpreting observational data because of the impact of unmeasured confounders.

    Use of IL-6 pathway inhibitors may be associated with an increased risk of secondary infections [79,80], although this was not observed in several randomized trials [74-76]. (See "Secondary immunodeficiency induced by biologic therapies", section on 'Tocilizumab'.)

    Hydroxychloroquine/chloroquine — We suggest not using hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine in hospitalized patients given the lack of clear benefit and potential for toxicity. In June 2020, the US FDA revoked its emergency use authorization for these agents in patients with severe COVID-19, noting that the known and potential benefits no longer outweighed the known and potential risks [81].

    Both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine may inhibit SARS-CoV-2 in vitro [82]. However, accumulating data from controlled trials suggest that they do not provide a clinical benefit for patients with COVID-19 [83-88]. In a randomized, blinded, placebo-controlled trial of 479 hospitalized patients with COVID-19, hydroxychloroquine did not improve 14-day clinical status or 28-day mortality (10.4 versus 10.6 percent; adjusted OR 1.07, 95% CI 0.54-2.09) compared with placebo; the trial was terminated early because of this lack of benefit [88]. Other large, open-label trials comparing various potential therapies with standard of care also terminated the hydroxychloroquine arms after failing to detect a mortality benefit or reduction in hospital stay [49,83]. In another open-label trial of hospitalized patients who required no or only low-flow oxygen supplementation (≤4 L/min), hydroxychloroquine (with or without azithromycin) did not improve clinical status at 15-day follow-up compared with standard of care [87]. Observational data are somewhat mixed and have methodologic limitations, but overall also suggest no benefit with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine [89-94].

    Studies have highlighted the potential toxicity of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine [93,95]. One trial comparing two doses of chloroquine for COVID-19 was stopped early because of a higher mortality rate in the high-dose group [95]. QTc prolongation, arrhythmias, and other adverse effects associated with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are discussed in detail elsewhere. (See "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Arrhythmias and conduction system disease", section on 'Patients receiving QT-prolonging treatments' and "Antimalarial drugs in the treatment of rheumatic disease", section on 'Adverse effects' and "Methemoglobinemia", section on 'Dapsone and some antimalarials'.)

    The evidence on the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin is discussed elsewhere. (See 'Others' below.)

    Others — Many other agents with known or putative antiviral or immunomodulating effects have been proposed for use in patients with COVID-19 [96-98], and some are in preclinical or clinical evaluation. Use of these agents for COVID-19 should be limited to clinical trials; their efficacy has not been proven, and extensive off-label use may result in excess toxicity and critical shortages of drugs for proven indications. A registry of international clinical trials can be found at covid-trials.org, as well as on the WHO websiteand at clinicaltrials.gov. Some examples of agents under clinical evaluation are detailed here:

     

    Favipiravir – Favipiravir is an RNA polymerase inhibitor that is available in some Asian countries for treatment of influenza, is available in India for treatment of mild COVID-19, and is being evaluated in clinical trials for treatment of COVID-19 in the United States and elsewhere. Favipiravir may hasten SARS-CoV-2 RNA clearance, although data are limited. In a randomized, open-label trial from Russia that included hospitalized patients who were on room air or receiving supplemental oxygen through mask or nasal cannula, the rate of viral RNA clearance from upper respiratory tract specimens at day 5 was higher with favipiravir compared with standard of care, which included hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine (clearance rates of 62 versus 36 percent) [99]. In a non-randomized study from China of patients with non-severe disease (including oxygen saturation >93 percent), use of favipiravir was associated with faster rates of viral clearance (median time to clearance 4 versus 11 days) and more frequent radiographic improvement (in 91 versus 62 percent by day 14) compared with lopinavir-ritonavir [100]. However, since other therapies (eg, immunomodulatory agents) were administered in these studies, the results should be interpreted with caution given potential confounders.

     

    Baricitinib – Baricitinib is a Janus kinase inhibitor used for treatment of rheumatoid arthritis. In addition to immunomodulatory effects, it is thought to have potential antiviral effects through interference in viral entry. In the United States, the FDA issued an EUA for baricitinib (4 mg orally once daily for up to 14 days) to be used in combination with remdesivir in patients with COVID-19 who require oxygen or ventilatory support [46]. Adding baricitinib to remdesivir appears to modestly improve the time to recovery, but effects on other endpoints are uncertain and interactions with glucocorticoid use are unknown. We await additional data on the effect of baricitinib before using it with remdesivir in such patients.

     

    In an unpublished randomized trial of 1033 hospitalized adults with COVID-19, baricitinibplus remdesivir reduced time to recovery (defined as hospital discharge or continued hospitalization without need for oxygen or medical care) compared with placebo plus remdesivir (7 versus 8 days, hazard ratio [HR] 1.15, 95% CI 1.0-1.31) [46]. There was also a trend towards lower 29-day mortality with the addition of baricitinib to remdesivir (4.7 versus 7.1 percent), but this was not statistically significant. In an observational study that included 83 patients with COVID-19 who received baricitinib and 83 propensity score-matched controls, baricitinib use was associated with a lower rate of death or mechanical ventilation, but potential confounders reduce confidence in these findings [101].

     

    In these studies, there was no apparent increase in the rate of adverse effects, including infection rates and venous thromboembolism, with baricitinib.

     

    Interferons – Interferons modulate immune responses and may have antiviral effects. Interferon beta, specifically, has been reported to inhibit SARS-CoV-2 replication in vitro [102]. Defects in production of type 1 interferons (which include interferon beta), as well as autoantibodies that neutralize type 1 interferons, have been identified in patients with severe COVID-19 [103,104]. (See "Toll-like receptors: Roles in disease and therapy", section on 'Severe COVID-19'.)

     

    Some trials, detailed below, have suggested a clinical benefit with interferon beta for patients with COVID-19, although methodologic limitations reduce confidence in the findings [105,106]. Furthermore, interim results of a large multinational trial of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 showed no difference in 28-day mortality with subcutaneous or intravenous interferon beta compared with standard of care (2703 patients in each group; RR 1.16, 95% CI 0.96-1.39) [49].

     

    In one open-label trial from Hong Kong, 127 adults hospitalized with primarily nonsevere COVID-19 were randomly assigned 2:1 to a combination intervention (subcutaneous interferon beta, oral ribavirin, plus lopinavir-ritonavir if symptom onset was within 7 days or ribavirin plus lopinavir-ritonavir if symptom onset was between 7 to 14 days) versus control (lopinavir-ritonavir alone) [105]. Patients in the intervention group had more rapid times to a negative SARS-CoV-2 reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test on a nasopharyngeal swab (median 7 versus 12 days), clinical improvement (median 4 versus 8 days), and hospital discharge (median 9 versus 15 days); in a subgroup analysis, the differences were only observed among patients with symptom onset within 7 days who thus received interferon beta as part of the intervention. Adverse effects were similar between the intervention and control groups. No hemolysis was detected with ribavirin (400 mg orally twice daily). In another open-label randomized trial from Iran that included 81 hospitalized patients, the addition of subcutaneous interferon beta to local standard of care (hydroxychloroquine plus either lopinavir-ritonavir or atazanavir-ritonavir) did not reduce the time to clinical recovery but was associated with a lower 28-day mortality and higher likelihood of hospital discharge compared with local standard of care alone [106]. However, there were multiple confounders in this trial; these included concurrent use of other interventions (including corticosteroids and intravenous immune globulin), early drop out following randomization (including four deaths in the interferon arm that were not included in the analysis), and inclusion of patients without laboratory confirmed COVID-19.

     

    Inhaled interferon beta, an investigational formulation of the drug delivered by nebulizer, is also being evaluated. In a randomized trial of 101 patients hospitalized with COVID-19, inhaled interferon beta increased the likelihood of recovery by day 15 compared with placebo (OR 3.19, 95% CI 1.24-8.24); a reduction in the likelihood of severe disease or death was not statistically significant [107].

     

    There are also several pilot trials evaluating the use of interferon lambda for COVID-19.

     

    Other immunomodulatory agents – Because of the observation that some patients have a clinical presentation that resembles cytokine release syndrome and the association between severe disease and a number of pro-inflammatory markers, interrupting the inflammatory cascade has been proposed as a potential therapeutic target for severe COVID-19. In addition to IL-6 pathway inhibitors (see 'IL-6 pathway inhibitors' above), immunomodulatory agents from various classes, including IL-1 inhibitors [108-111], other cytokine inhibitors [112], kinase inhibitors [113-116], complement inhibitors [117], bradykinin pathway inhibitors [118], and recombinant hematopoietic colony-stimulating factors [119] are being evaluated. Their use has been described mainly in case series and other observational studies. As an example, in a retrospective study of patients with COVID-19, ARDS requiring non-invasive ventilation, and markedly elevated CRP or ferritin, receipt of high-dose anakinra in 29 patients (in addition to hydroxychloroquineand lopinavir-ritonavir) was associated with a lower 21-day mortality rate compared with a historical cohort of 16 patients who received only hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir-ritonavir (10 versus 44 percent); however, the historical group was older, and the likelihood of other, unmeasured confounders makes the findings difficult to interpret [108]. Results of well-powered randomized trials are necessary to determine the effect of these agents.

     

    Azithromycin (with or without hydroxychloroquine) – We do not use azithromycin, either alone or in combination with hydroxychloroquine, for treating COVID-19. Studies have compared the combination of azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine with usual care or with hydroxychloroquine alone, and most have not suggested an associated clinical benefit [87,89,92,120-122]. Furthermore, both azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine are associated with QTc prolongation, and combined use may potentiate this adverse effect [92]. (See "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Arrhythmias and conduction system disease", section on 'Patients receiving QT-prolonging treatments'.)

     

    Lopinavir-ritonavir – We suggest not using lopinavir-ritonavir for treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients. Several clinical trials have failed to demonstrate efficacy [8,49,123,124]. As an example, in an open-label randomized trial of patients hospitalized with COVID-19, lopinavir-ritonavir for up to 10 days (n = 1616) did not reduce 28-day mortality (23 versus 22 percent) or need for mechanical ventilation (10 versus 9 percent) compared with usual care (n = 3424) [124]. It also did not improve 28-day hospital discharge rates. Whether lopinavir-ritonavir has a role in outpatients with nonsevere disease is uncertain; we suggest it only be used in outpatients in the context of a clinical trial. Although it has in vitro activity against SARS-CoV [125], lopinavir-ritonavir is highly protein-bound and does not appear to achieve plasma levels close to the EC50 [126,127].

     

    Ivermectin – Ivermectin has also been proposed as a potential therapy based on in vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2, but the drug levels used in vitro far exceed those achieved in vivo with safe drug doses [128]; various clinical trials of ivermectin are underway.

     

    Other agents that have been proposed for COVID-19 therapy include the HCV antivirals sofosbuvirplus daclatasvir [129-131], the selective serotonin receptor blocker fluvoxamine [132], famotidine[133,134], colchicine [135], vitamin D [136], and zinc [137]. Clinical data thus far are insufficient to support a role for these agents, and, as above, their use for COVID-19 should be limited to clinical trials.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 8:00am

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    Another banned video

    Video’s are banned for reasons other than complaints.  Can you guess why the video below was banned.  Yep, banned video's can have juicy, intriguing topics and revelations in them.  Check it out.

    Holy cow

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 8:32am

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    KugsCheese

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    Put the Banned Videos on Rumble

    Put the banned videos on Rumble.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 8:42am

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    healthcare

    wow, so much for nuance in your comment.  I live in Canada (i have all of my life save for 1 year in France) where we have universal healthcare. To my knowledge, doctors are free to go work wherever they like (they are considered free entrepreneurs).  They can even switch provinces shoud they want to. Patients are free to choose their doctor.  Our cost per citizen are half of what they are in the US (and some countries like France, Italy, Sweden, etc do even better cost wise and I would argue quality wise then we do). Our death rate due to Covid is lower than the US.  Our average lifespan is indeed greater an the US all considered. Not bad for a ''socialized'' (the word that shall not be uttered in the US) system.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 8:48am

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    15$ per hour

    Oh, and I should add that here in Quebec (each province runs its own healthcare system) family doctors make an average of 250k a year, specialist an average of 400K.  Some, as much as 1.5 million/year.  Talk about  exploited cheap labor. I couldn't bear it myself.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 8:48am

    Walter 31564-F

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    Walter 31564-F said:

    Do you still have the entire video? If you do can you upload it onto other file hosters or video streaming platforms?

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 8:52am

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    Walter 31564-F

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    Does anyone have all of sources?

    So I had watched this video earlier, then wanted to review it but realized it became banned. Not a surprise at all. What I want to know is did any of you download the video earlier? If possible maybe it can be re-sharef on to different platforms altogether or shared in file lockers.

    Most importantly, do any of you have a screen capture of all of the sources and references from this banned video?

    I only remember seeing this source:

    https://ivmmeta.com/

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 8:56am

    Mike from Jersey

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    Stratil's post

    David, the thing that got me about Stratil's post was that it was almost entirely reliant on a BBC article. He acted as if the BBC was universally accepted as being credible and definitive.

    Of course, a lot of people don't see things that way anymore. For instance, I treat all New York Times' articles as "presumptively suspect" and certainly not "presumptively credible or definitive." I feel the same way about the BBC. 

    And when someone treats the Times or the BBC as being "conclusive" on an issue, I actually feel sorry for them. It is dangerous for a person to be so completely lost in the modern world.

     

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:02am

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    wotthecurtains

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    Canada vs US vs Scandinavian healthcare is a perfect example of why people need to drop the labels and look at things through a lens of what works.

    Canada ignoring things like HCQ and Ivermectin would fit with the top down, socialism narrative, but then why aren't these offered by at least a few major players in America's "for profit" healthcare system as a competitive advantage?

    Neither Canadians nor Americans get very good Covid treatment, but at least the Canadian's surviving relatives get to keep the house.

    Canada being "socialist" bugs me on an ideological level.  It bugged me when I couldn't get a vitamin D test in Alberta without jumping through a lot of special hoops.   Then I read on PP that Americans can't get their insurance providers to pay for a vitamin D test either, so whats the point?

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:05am

    Mike from Jersey

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    Replying to Kathy said: (#46)

    Kathy, you wrote:

    Maybe we could try blocking healthcare workers and doctors from ever leaving their state and mandating that they work for $15/hour.

    I just finished a book on the fall of the Roman Empire. As the Empire started to fall farmers started to leave their lands to get away. They simply couldn't make a living anymore. The Empire did exactly what you suggested. They made it illegal to leave.

    Sooooo, don't be suprised if ...

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:27am

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    PP Site Administrators

    Since I started posting again several days ago I was sent three private messages.  When I go to read them I receive a message that says I do not have permission to access them.  My polite requests have not been acknowledged or answered.  Perhaps you are working on a big project or it could be I am still in the doghouse. I know I am a curmudgeonly pain in the ass but do believe that those of us who do not fall in the main cohort or largest demographic can be valuable contributors.

    Please advise.  Thanks you.

    AKGrannyWGrit

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:36am

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    Petition to EU to stop vaccine trials

    Mike - thanks for posting the link for the EMA petition.  I'm living in Europe and I signed it.  The information in the article, as well as the petition itself and 2 exhibits, is quite alarming.....

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:49am

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    Walter 31564-F

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    The original video description with links to references

    Released on 12/3/20

    The data is 100% in agreement: All studies show a clinical benefit for use of Ivermectin. It works as a pre-exposure prophylaxis, post exposure prophylaxis, and when given to both early and late hospitalized patients. As importantly, one study shows a profound improvement in the symptoms for the “long haul” Covid sufferers, for which no other treatments seem to have worked. If you think you’ve been exposed, or have been exposed, or work in a high risk situation, or you have Covid symptoms, or you are a long haul suffere, the data is clear: take Ivermectin immediately. The sooner the better. As is always true of an antiviral. Or antibiotic. That should be crystal clear to everyone except the designers of the tragic RECOVERY trial in the UK, and various W.H.O. study designers. They seem to be a bit dense on the topic for *cough$$$*cough some unknown reason$. If your health provider won’t provide Ivermectin, then go elsewhere. You have a quack, or a slow learner on your hands, not an up-to-date doc.

    Links: Ivermectin Meta Data
    https://ivmmeta.com

    Meta Review of Ivermectin (Pre-Print) – This is MEGA IMPORTANT! https://osf.io/wx3zn/

    Ivermectin in Mexico https://www.sie7edechiapas.com/post/repartir%C3%A1n-10-mil-kits-con-ivermectina-para-combatir-covid-19-en-tuxtla

    Ivermectin in Romania https://www.smartradio.ro/covid-19-ivermectina-medicamentul-cu-eficienta-de-pana-la-90-ignorat-de-autoritatile-din-domeniul-medical

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:54am

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    nordicjack

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    nice whtiewash of vaccine side-effects

    FDA regulators noted a "numerical imbalance" in cases of Bell's palsy, a condition that temporarily weakens face muscles: There were four cases of Bell's palsy among the 20,000-plus people who got Pfizer's vaccine, compared with no cases in the placebo group.

    But the FDA said this frequency of Bell's palsy cases among those who got Pfizer's shot was not any higher than what would be expected for the general population.

    none in placebo group.. but same as in general population?  what is wrong with the placebo group?  you mean that the its a life-time chance of bell palsy  not the 60 days of the trial.       that is why the placebo there was no cases.

    SO, we have overt neurological damage from the vaccine.. I guess that is an acceptable risk..  What about things that make take years to show?   MS?  other autoimmune neuro diseases?

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 10:06am

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    2retired said:

    The income of docs in Canada (and Quebec) is misrepresented; Those figure are gross provincial payments, out of which docs pay salaries of staff, overhead, liscencing costs, usually 40-70% overhead (depending on specialty & practice), with no pension or fringe benefits. Lots of docs would rather take a nurse's salary terms if it was offered; nurses can easily out earn a gp by working similar hours. If you want to look at systems that work, the europeans (France, Italy Germany...) deliver better outcomes and service at lower costs than Canadian or American systems.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 10:46am

    Mike from Jersey

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    Replying to nice whtiewash of vaccine side-effects

    And two people are now reported dead after taking the vaccine.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fda-says-2-participants-pfizer-covid-vaccine-trial-have-died

    There are also warnings of  "frequently seen" severe adverse reactions.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 12:06pm

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    A Bit of Re-Hash Never Hurt Anyone

    Pondering mortality rates at the CDC site and wondering how "math works".

    Hospital-acquired and ventilator-associated pneumonia: Diagnosis, management, and prevention
    https://www.ccjm.org/content/87/10/633

    Ventilator-Associated Pneumonia: Getting to Zero…and Staying There
    http://www.ihi.org/resources/Pages/ImprovementStories/VAPGettingtoZeroandStayingThere.aspx

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 1:01pm

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    Martenson Censored!

    Dang it! Your video has been removed from YouTube. Dr. Chris Martenson, please start directing people to this website for your podcasts. You speak too much truth and upset the corporate interested in vaccine promotion. YouTube deplatformed Del Bigtree of thehighwire. com. You'll be next.

    1. Through your reporting I came to find the FLCCC doctors' press conference at covid19criticalcare.com detailing the effective treatment of COVID 19 with ivermectin. Obviously boycotted by the MSM. I could find only one news outlet outside of PP reporting it. It's pretty clear that mass vaccination, the damage it is sure to bestow on humanity, and the lining of big pharmas pockets is the end game.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 1:52pm

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    nordicjack

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    Revolt to follow

    though illegally to promote the over-throw the US govt by force is a federal offence. I wonder if taking back the US govt by force is?  I am sure they will make it so..  never the less no force methods are all in play.   But I know in the end they will not work.  its time to at least start somewhere.    I am planning now. ( not force part , YET !! )

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 2:10pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Replying to Revolt to follow

    In one of my last cases before I retired, I happened to be defending a charge of sedition. Here is the definition of sedition:

    If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

    But here is the important part.

    If the Feds want to put you in jail - you will end up in jail.

    It just isn't that hard for them to engineer it.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 2:17pm

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    nordicjack

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    Replying to nice whtiewash of vaccine side-effects

    Mike, It looks like 2 in pfizers and one in moderna - so 3 all together .  And yes 'frequent"  "severe adverse events'  after second dose is pretty alarming. but we saw that in very early data Dr Martenson presented a couple months ago.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 2:24pm

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    nordicjack

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    Replying to Revolt to follow

    I believe its the only reason that we have not seen revolution in this country yet.  We live in the most corrupt country in the world.  The Federal govt much more so than local government.   The Feds out-right act above the law in every regard daily, with zero regard for the constitution and law including local law.  I have experienced my own share of crap from the Feds.. BUT , I am no longer scared of them..    I have something for them.. if they mess with me or my family.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 2:26pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Replying to Replying to nice whtiewash of vaccine side-effects

    New York State Assembly Bill A11179 was just introduced into the New York Legislature to make the Covid vaccine mandatory.

    They want to make the mass experiment of injecting genetically modified mRNA into New Yorkers mandatory as a matter of law.

    The country has gone totally crazy.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 2:46pm

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    DennisC

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    I guess NY won't need this "carrot" for compliance purposes

    This gets an "A" for creativity, IMO.

    Covid vaccine in exchange for a $1,500 stimulus check? How one bold proposal would work

    Americans are eager for more one-time stimulus checks, while the U.S. government is working to get Covid-19 vaccinations to the American public.

    Now, one proposal from former congressman John Delaney aims to help both sides by providing stimulus checks in exchange for getting vaccinated.

    The goal: to reach a 75% vaccination rate faster, which could save both lives and the U.S. economy.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/would-you-be-willing-to-get-a-covid-vaccine-in-exchange-for-a-dollar1500-stimulus-check-how-one-bold-proposal-would-work/ar-BB1bBQhd

    Forget the cost of checks and the SS# requirement (and to keep dead people from showing up to get vaccinated).  Just keep a pallet of crispy Benjamins handy at each vacinnation site, ready to dole out to the great unwashed and the "voluntary" clinical trial participants.  Free money for (or) your life.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 3:11pm

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    The ivermectin study has added new data

    The probability of false results just went from 1:2,000,000 to 1:8,000,000. Ivermectin is the real thing. A friend who works at Mayo Rochester criticized me for jumping on any new treatment that comes along. Well... what can I say? Follow the science and learn as new data becomes available.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 3:33pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    " A friend who works at Mayo Rochester..."

    I'm not convinced anymore that Ivm will ever be acknowledged as being helpful for covid.  There is too much invested in current narrative and the press so far is clear that Ivm isn't just "unproven" but there is unequivocally zero supporting evidence of any kind for it.

     

    But if the west ever does find that they have no choice but to "scientifically discover" Ivm, what do you think the odds are that your friend will never speak to you again for knowing more than he did sooner?

     

    Back in the 2005/2006 housing bubble I really got into it online with people who pulled the "I'm an expert, who the hell are you?" routine.    Because it was the internet I ended up attacking them personally at least as much as they did me.  I reveled in knowing that I would crush their self esteem in the end for attacking me for starting out offering simple evidence.   It wasn't a good scene, but at least these weren't people I knew in real life.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 7:50pm

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    Censorship free platform

    Last year Dr. Jordan Peterson started a free speech platform called Thinkspot, to promote intelligent discourse on any topic, as an alternative to the other social media sites, most of which are engaging in various forms of censorship.  Paid and free memberships are available, but users must register (with email, password, username).

    http://www.thinkspot.com

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 8:29pm

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    vaccination acceptance survey

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/327425/willingness-covid-vaccine-ticks.aspx?

    Currently:

    • Republicans 50%, Democrats 75%, Independents 61%
    • Men: 66%, Women 60%
    • No College: 61%, College 68%
    • White: 67%, non-white: 53%
    • 18-44: 68%, 45-64: 52%, 65+: 74%

    If vaccination were such a good deal, people would be begging to get vaccinated.  There would be fights, bribery, corruption, back-room deals.  Politicians would be vaccinated on the sly by special teams.

    Willingness to get vaccinated has increased with the winter wave.  Fauci's utter failure to provide any approved treatments for 10 long months is almost certainly helping increase adoption rates.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:24pm

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    re ny compliance

    I thank god i do live in that crazy ass state.. Even with the other new vaccine mandates.

    But as to the stimulus payment requires vaccination.. You could make this 50k.   and i still wont get it.    But that type of extortion is clearly unconstitutional any way.. But I am sure its coming anyway.. since when does the fed care about the constitution ?

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 9:34pm

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    dave regarding survey of acceptance of vaccine

    I have relayed all the science to my brother - who gets the science he has some doubts about the safety.  But he is seeing so many people drop where he is at, and has great exposure in his work, that he wants to get it.  It does not make sense to me - because he knows about the ADE,  but when you are staring at death daily, it looks like a better evil.  Its about your personal risk reward.  So, it seems some of these people seem messed up to take this.. I can sort understand my brother.   I can sit at my home and work there mostly.  he has to work around tons of people , and different people each day.  He watches and hears about one colleague or family of a colleague , drop dead daily, and he not free of heart issues, and and pulmonary, endocrine, immune issues and is nearing 60 .. so yes I can understand how this is scary for him.   So when you look at that acceptance - its a combo of  what people experience and what the media is saying .. its fear..    They are not putting the disease in correct context..  Not saying people are not harmed from this nasty disease , which you do not want.  But I would not fear it at all.. if we had ivermectin available.      But I also fear the vaccine far worse than the disease..   Because I am in the KNOW.

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  • Tue, Dec 08, 2020 - 11:57pm

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    I think this looks like verbatim from NIH Covid-19 treatment guidelines.

    Might I suggest you send him this. 

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-I-MASK-Protocol-v5-2020-11-28-ENGLISH.pdf

    https://www.evms.edu/covid-19/covid_care_for_clinicians/

    MATH+ Hospital Treatment Protocol

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  • Thu, Dec 10, 2020 - 11:09am

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    tbp said:

    See this post for the alt-tech sites to which we should be uploading our videos and cross-posting from FB and Twitter.

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  • Fri, Dec 11, 2020 - 12:10pm

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    Benjamin Franklin agrees with Chris and the PP website

    In his autobiography, around 1787, Mr. Franklin summarizes what he has observed about politics:

    “That the great affairs of the world, the wars, revolutions, etc., are carried on and affected by parties.
     “That the view of these parties is their present general interest, or what they take to be such. “That the different views of these different parties occasion all confusion.
    “That while a party is carrying on a general design, each man has his particular private interest in view.
    “That as soon as a party has gain’d its general point, each member becomes intent upon his particular interest; which, thwarting others, breaks that party into divisions, and occasions more confusion
    “That few in public affairs act from a meer view of the good of their country, whatever they may pretend; and, tho’ their actings bring real good to their country, yet men primarily considered that their own and their country’s interest was united, and did not act from a principle of benevolence.
    “That fewer still, in public affairs, act with a view to the good of mankind.
    “There seems to me at present to be great occasion for raising a United Party for Virtue, by forming the virtuous and good men of all nations into a regular body, to be govern’d by suitable good and wise rules, which good and wise men may probably more unanimous in their obedience to, than common people are to common laws. “I at present think that whoever attempts this aright, and is well qualified, can not fail of pleasing God, and of meeting with success. B. F.”

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  • Sun, Dec 20, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    Passing out tracts.......

    So, generally being a man of good will, and wanting a positive outcome for all in the current circumstance, I have felt the need to do something, however minor.  So, taking a cue from Adam's posting on recognizing propaganda, I quickly created the following to distribute to certain customers, and even random folks I come in contact with.  Only given out a few so far, but, when preceeded by a brief "introduction" of the topic, everyone has thanked me for the info.  I can get about 12 of these on a sheet of paper, and, out they go....

    "Please visit these sites because your

    family’s health is paramount. Medical

    experts provide proven guidance:

    covid19criticalcare.com

    https://ivmmeta.com/

    https://www.evms.edu/covid-19/covid_care_for_clinicians/ 

    "

    Aloha, Steve.

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  • Sun, Dec 27, 2020 - 8:10am

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    westcoastjan

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    A new investigative gem from Whitney Webb re vaccine-eugenics connection

    Developers of Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Tied to UK Eugenics Movement

    A must read for the doubters of nefarious intent. Ms. Webb once again shows us what investigative journalism actually looks like.

     

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  • Sun, Dec 27, 2020 - 8:43am

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    Might there also be a risk to the female reproduction system?

    Roxana Bruno (Biochemistry PhD in Immunology) recently wrote an article outlining the science behind rising concern that a crucial side effect of these Covid-19 vaccines could be the suppression of human reproduction. She wrote:

        COVID-19 vaccines carry the spike protein (S or “Spike”) of the SARS-CoV-2 virus as an alleged antigen to trigger the immune response, which shares high genetic and protein similarity with two human proteins, Sincitin-1 and Sincitin-2.

    Human syncytins are the product of the expression of the genes of the envelope (Env) of human endogenous retroviruses (HERV): they are proteins that mediate fusion between cells and have immunosuppressive properties.

    Syncytins are physiologically expressed during pregnancy: they intervene in the development of the placenta, trophoblast differentiation, the implantation of the embryo in the mother’s uterus and the immunosuppression of the mother’s immune system to prevent allogeneic rejection of the embryo.

    Because of the similarity between syncytins and the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19 vaccine-induced antibody responses could trigger a cross-reaction against syncytins, causing allergic, cytotoxic and/or autoimmune side effects affecting human health and reproduction.

    … With vaccination against COVID-19, IgE-type antibody responses and delayed-type hypersensitivity by T cells could also be induced, as was observed in mice, which after exposure to a SARS vaccine, caused them to have an allergic response.

    Therefore, we already know that due to the similarity of the spike protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus with the two human proteins, Sincitin 1 and Sincitin 2, it is unlikely that a safe COVID-19 vaccine will be obtained, without observing allergic, cytotoxic and/or autoimmune side effects and without these effects affecting sooner or later the delicate mechanism of human reproduction.

    Secondly, experimental vaccines against COVID-19 could affect human fertility because the levels of expression of messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) from syncytins increase progressively from the beginning of conception, during the first trimester and until the end of the pregnancy.

    Both fusion and differentiation of trophoblast cells are associated with a concomitant increase in mRNA expression of the syncytin gene (HERV-W env) and the protein Sincitin. In simple terms, if the amount of protein or mRNA of the Syncytin gene decreases, defects in placental formation, poor trophoblast differentiation and vascular dysfunction in the placenta are observed. (Link)

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  • Sun, Dec 27, 2020 - 7:45pm

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    Eugenics connection to Galton institute unremarkable

    The Galton institute grew out of a eugenics movement that was generalized across the scientific, genetics and social realm of its time in the U.S.

    It would only be remarkable if an institute originating during that era wasn't oriented towards eugenics. It is a shameful part of our Western heritage,  not confined to Nazi Germany.

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  • Mon, Dec 28, 2020 - 4:55am

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    Mpup said:

    Thanks Steve, note the Ivmeta link Ivermectin is effective for COVID-19: meta analysis of 28 studies (ivmmeta.com)  was updated today, 12/28.  100% of the studies show improvement in pre, post, early, and late treatment.  The scumbags  suppressing/censoring this information and treatment should be criminally charged.  Meanwhile people die, big pharma, physicians, hospitals, and labs make their billions.  And we're supposed to think they care about us?   The hippocratic oath has become the hypocritic oath.  Sick

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  • Mon, Dec 28, 2020 - 9:07am

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    In further support of Ms. Webb's great article

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/12/27/rhodes-scholars-surge-in-biden-potential-cabinet/

    More cogent, unbiased, unfiltered reporting on the historical aspects leading up to our current mess. If one were to read almost all of the links that both Webb and Ehret put in their extensively researched articles, as I have done, it becomes exceedingly hard to maintain an attitude of denial re the nefarious agendas that have been playing out right under our noses for generations. Anyone who is still asking for 'proof of intent' is a blooming idiot. That they have gotten away with this agenda and all of their backroom grooming and manipulating for so long simply boggles my mind. But at the same time, is reflective of just how dedicated they are to promoting their cause, and how they succeeded, via their control of the media, into brainwashing and manipulating the sheeple into focusing on and buying into all that is irrelevant in this modern world. They have seized the moment with Covid, and are salivating evermore as they see the potential in front of them oh so close now they can taste it. They will be doubling down I have no doubt, for never have they been so close to their desired unipolar dominance.

    A young student of Harvard’s William Yandell Elliot (himself a Rhodes Scholar who operated the Oxford Branch of Harvard) was none other than Sir Henry Kissinger who stated gushingly at a May 10, 1981 Chatham House event:

    “The British were so matter-of-factly helpful that they became a participant in internal American deliberations, to a degree probably never practiced between sovereign nations… In my White House incarnation then, I kept the British Foreign Office better informed and more closely engaged than I did the American State Department… It was symptomatic”. [bold my emphasis]

    The first step must be mass resistance to the vaccines, contact tracing and immunity passports. There are signs of resistance... I am hoping it spreads like covid!

    [edit] adding this paragraph from the first linked article, which seems so very appropriate for this moment in time:

    Today’s battle between the opposing paradigms of the multipolar alliance led by Russia and China on the one hand vs the unipolarist/post-nation state worldview on the other has everything to do with these longer forces of history. The only way to comprehend the color revolution playing out within the USA, or the anomalous emergence of Rhodes Scholars shaping the possible Biden presidency, is by recognizing this higher reality. This exercise may cause you to think about thinking differently, and at first may be uncomfortable, but just as the figure released from the cave who slowly accustoms his/her eyes to the light of the sun and reality, the satisfaction of enjoying a higher order of truthfulness is incomparably more pleasant to a life believing in the shadows cast by an elite class of puppeteers.

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  • Mon, Dec 28, 2020 - 10:52am

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    Island girl

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    Changing the goalposts on herd immunity

    It's all about the "science" .... of nudging.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html

    https://www.amazon.com/Nudge-Improving-Decisions-Health-Happiness/dp/0300122233/ref=sr_1_3?crid=29S8ZYA02LHTO&dchild=1&keywords=nudge+cass+sunstein&qid=1609181133&sprefix=nudge+cass%2Caps%2C201&sr=8-3

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  • Mon, Dec 28, 2020 - 12:52pm

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    agitating prop

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    Cogent analysis

    ounded in 2010, the Strategic Culture Foundation (SCF) provides a platform for exclusive analysis, research, and policy comment on Eurasian and global affairs.

    SCF completely lacks transparency by not listing owners or editors. Further, the domain is registered in Russia, which the owners do not openly disclose and there is not a contact page provided.

    Strategic Culture Foundation is not a reliable source. Those who cannot detect this from the way the articles are written, can fact check it online.

    Important to note that all anyone should be concerned with, when it comes to fact checking, is the transparency of information. Who is funding it, where is it funded from, etc...

    Those who are concerned with purity of purpose regarding eugenics programs should probably quit eating Kellogg's products because the product line originated in some seriously whacko ideology too.

    Also, if the idea that a small club of white men have disproportionate control of the world is repellent, the right way to approach that would be to support Black Lives Matter. Oh, whoops. They're "anti-fa, communist, socialist, etc" Correct?

     

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