What's Your Myers-Briggs Personality Type?

Adam Taggart
By Adam Taggart on Fri, Sep 27, 2013 - 9:39am
ISTJ
3% (4 votes)
ISTP
5% (6 votes)
ISFJ
2% (2 votes)
ISFP
1% (1 vote)
INTJ
37% (46 votes)
INTP
20% (25 votes)
INFJ
14% (18 votes)
INFP
3% (4 votes)
ESTJ
2% (2 votes)
ESTP
1% (1 vote)
ESFJ
0% (0 votes)
ESFP
0% (0 votes)
ENTJ
6% (7 votes)
ENTP
3% (4 votes)
ENFJ
2% (2 votes)
ENFP
3% (4 votes)
Total votes: 126

Given the recent comments in which readers have been sharing their Myers-Briggs personality types, I thought it would be of interest to community to find out the distribution of our readership overall.

If you know your Myers-Briggs score, share it by taking the poll above (it's anonymous).

If you haven't taken the Myers-Briggs test yet, you can learn more about it here.

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A quick Myers-Briggs test link

If you don't know your type, this is a free test that's pretty quick.
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes1.htm

Cheers,
Aaron

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A quick Myers-Briggs test link

Arrrgggg. I hit the wrong button..... Can I go back and correct?

lld3j

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restart

You should be able to just take it over again.
The tests are scaled - you'll probably have subtle hints of your non-dominant traits, so one wrong answer probably won't significantly change your results... But you can just take it again if you like.

Aaron

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Another INTJ here. Doesn't

Another INTJ here. Doesn't anyone else find it odd that we are the rarest personality type and yet seem to be the majority on this site (so far). I wonder if that rings true for all peak oilers. Very interesting indeed. Just for information I am an artist but maybe I should have become a scientist :-)

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I have a guess about why there seem to be so many INTJs here...

I think some personality types are much more likely than others to seek information and/or community in an online setting.  (I know a lot of computer programmers who are INTP/INTJs, for example -- working most comfortably with information, working with their minds not their bodies, without being required to engage emotionally, where they do not have to be around lots of people, etc.) 

It may be that Js are led to more compulsively evaluate and re-evaluate themselves and their situations in a way that Ps are less likely to do. 

I'm also going to guess that people who are strong Fs are more likely to prefer not to grapple with the information here because it is too emotionally painful for them.

Of course, I'm no expert at this, but I've been interested in the topic of personality type, and specifically Myers-Briggs, for years.  

 

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A quick Myers-Briggs test link

Thanks, I'm actually an INTP, not INTJ.   At a quick glance, it's interesting to notice such a high percentage of PP readers that are heavily skewed over to the INTJ camp.  Maybe it has something to do with being "data driven" and having critical thinking skills. 

lld3j

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Having fun w/MB

You might want to read more about your type here, especially if you are a Harry Potter fan:

http://imgur.com/gallery/iRCaD4u

 

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This is a fun site

I looked at this a couple of years ago when updating my own test. 

http://www.celebritytypes.com/index.php

Interesting to see Karl Marx, Ayn Rand, Fred Nietzsche and JM Keynes side by side on the famous INTJ list.  They all had strong opinions but, you could argue, none of them ended up being particularly right about much.  Although maybe Marx will have the last laugh.  But as an INFP myself that's just my feeling and I really don't want to talk about it  :-)

 

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It's amazing how many INTJs there seem to be here

I'm an INTJ.  And while we comprise only 1%-4% of the population we're well over half (and possibly approaching 2/3) of the PP community.

I know that personally I find reading and occasionally interacting on this site to be far more preferable to following the mindless drivel of mainstream media.  Now I understand why.  Because it's populated with so many other people with the same way of viewing the world -- a way that is often out of step with so many other people I encounter in life.

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if you are counting heads,

if you are counting heads, i'm an intj also...only one answer away from being an entj....whichis  what hillary and maggi thatcher are/were. oy!  i'm staying introverted!

 

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Self Selection.

Now if we could only get the party people to shut up, sit down and do the test.

INTP. (Good internet Handle.)

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Sorry to rain on the parade

Before all the INTJs start feeling all too special about their INTJness and their worldview, let's look at some of the other things that Jung (the original founder of personality types) had to say about the INTJs...

attitude is one of withdrawal

concentrates on subjective factors

prefers to be alone

their own judgement is preferred to generally accepted opinions

have a strong tendency to believe that their formulas represent the absolute truth

Believe they are rational and logical, but in fact suppress all that does not fit into their scheme, or refuse to recognize it.

Tend to be cold in understanding human weakness

interested in the inner reality, not the outer reality

Give little or no attention to their relationships with the world

Tend to depreciate anything widely acclaimed

Sources: C.G. Jung: Psychological Types, Collected Works V. 7, Modern Man in Search of a Soul

Don't get me wrong, he has plenty of things to say about all the other types and points out the weaknesses of all of them. I think what is most interesting is when he describes the misunderstanding between introverts and extraverts:

Unfortunately, the two types misunderstand one another and tend to see only the other's weakness, so that to the extravert the introvert is egotistical and dull, while the introvert sees the extravert as superficial and insincere.

Just trying to bring this down to earth before we have a group think that believes they have some kind of divine insightsmiley

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INTJ envy
gillbilly wrote:

Before all the INTJs start feeling all too special about their INTJness and their worldview, let's look at some of the other things that Jung (the original founder of personality types) had to say about the INTJs...

attitude is one of withdrawal

concentrates on subjective factors

prefers to be alone

their own judgement is preferred to generally accepted opinions

have a strong tendency to believe that their formulas represent the absolute truth

Believe they are rational and logical, but in fact suppress all that does not fit into their scheme, or refuse to recognize it.

Tend to be cold in understanding human weakness

interested in the inner reality, not the outer reality

Give little or no attention to their relationships with the world

Tend to depreciate anything widely acclaimed

Sources: C.G. Jung: Psychological Types, Collected Works V. 7, Modern Man in Search of a Soul

Don't get me wrong, he has plenty of things to say about all the other types and points out the weaknesses of all of them. I think what is most interesting is when he describes the misunderstanding between introverts and extraverts:

Unfortunately, the two types misunderstand one another and tend to see only the other's weakness, so that to the extravert the introvert is egotistical and dull, while the introvert sees the extravert as superficial and insincere.

Just trying to bring this down to earth before we have a group think that believes they have some kind of divine insightsmiley

Vladimir Putin INTJ

And what exactly is wrong with those things?  Did you see how I politically checkmated your president to the extent that your own people supported my position over his on the subject of Syria?  Do you think I've held onto the reins of power this long and achieved economic growth and resurgence in my country, while yours is going down the crapper I might add, by being an ENFP milquetoast?  That's INTJ power, my envious comrade.

INTJ strengths

  • High self-confidence. INTJ personalities rarely doubt themselves or care much about their perceived social roles, expectations etc. Consequently, they are not afraid to voice their own opinions. This exudes confidence and reinforces the INTJ’s self-esteem even further.
  • Quick and versatile mind. INTJs are very good at improving their knowledge of (often diverse) topics and fields that interest them. People with this personality type take pleasure in tackling intellectual challenges and their natural curiosity pushes them forward as well.
  • Jacks of all trades. The most important strength of any INTJ is their mind. Other personality types pride themselves in being artistic, intuitive, convincing, athletic etc. In contrast, INTJs excel at being able to analyze anything that life throws at them, uncovering the underlying methodology and then applying it in practice. Consequently, INTJ personalities are usually able to become what they want to become – be it an IT architect or a high-flying politician.
  • Independent and decisive. People with the INTJ personality type are ruthless when it comes to analyzing the usefulness of methods or ideas. They could not care less if that idea is popular or supported by an authority figure – if the INTJ believes that it does not make sense, only overwhelming rational arguments will convince them otherwise. This strength makes them efficient and impartial decision-makers, often at a very young age. INTJs also tend to be quite resistant to conflicts, usually remaining rational and calm in an emotionally charged situation.
  • Hard-working and determined. INTJ personalities can be very patient and dedicated if something excites or intrigues them. They will work hard to achieve their goals, often ignoring everything else. That being said, INTJs may also appear lazy in situations that do not require them to flex their mental muscles – for instance, they may take risks and not study that hard at school, knowing that in all likelihood, they will be able to tackle the tests anyway.
  • Imaginative and strategic. INTJs are very good strategic thinkers, often using this strength to devise multiple contingency plans in both professional and personal situations. They like to plan ahead and be prepared, imagining all the potential scenarios and consequences.
  • Honest and direct. People with this personality type hate playing social games and putting comfort or social expectations above honesty and facts. INTJs tend to see these activities as pointless and irrational, preferring inconvenient truth over a comforting lie.
  • Open-minded. INTJ personalities do not mind being proven wrong and enjoy being exposed to something they were not familiar with. They will embrace a competing theory if it makes more sense, regardless of the existing traditions or expectations. Not surprisingly, INTJs also tend to be fairly liberal in a social sense, believing that many social norms are outdated and unnecessarily restrictive.

And we can also be sensitive lovers.

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Fashionable and stylish dressers.

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Caring environmentalists who are one with nature.

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Treat children with love and respect.

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Show no preferential treatment for the different genders.

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Have the common touch.

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Be so very sexy.

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And kick your butt from here to next week if you mess with us.

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Really now.  Who would you rather be? Me or this ENFP pansy on the right who's married (in name only) to the switch hitter on the left.

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INFP's, Healers/Idealists

I have done this twice in the past few years with the same INFP result. But I'm only 22% leaning towards Introversion.So  I guess I'm an ambivert. 

I found it interesting that Isabel Briggs Myers, the inventor of the test is a INFP . As is Carl Jung.

They compromise about 4-5% of people.

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gillbilly raining on INTJ

concentrates on subjective factors

have a strong tendency to believe that their formulas represent the absolute truth

Believe they are rational and logical, but in fact suppress all that does not fit into their scheme, or refuse to recognize it.

Give little or no attention to their relationships with the world

Hmmmmm.  I've seen these behaviors around here once or twice!

Like every categorization mechanism this one oversimplifies, and not everyone fits neatly into a box.  I sure don't.  However it is a very useful concept overall - recognizing that not everyone is the same as I am, and more specifically, what approaches work better with the various types of thinking.

One of the more valuable management classes I took involved strategies for interacting, which required first understanding who each individual was, and then learning how to frame discussions with each one to facilitate interaction.  Simple stuff like "how do you feel" used with the F types, and "what do you think" for the T types.

This sort of subject matter should be basic stuff taught in high school, along with real-world economics.  How to recognize and get along with different types of people, how to avoid falling into debt traps, and so on.  Its a heck of a lot more useful than, say, geometry.  It sure would have helped me out earlier on in life, especially if I could have internalized it at an earlier age.  Imagine a society where the scientists could speak to the healers, wouldn't that be something?

 

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finished milking

came in, took a quiz,found out i was like the rest. intj

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grain of salt

i've always taken the M-B results with a grain of "the obvious" salt.   does a kid who scores 97% or higher on a test need to told (s)he is smart? does an introvert need to be told they like to be alone?

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i appreciate the diversity

i appreciate the diversity and i'll bet as more weigh in, the numbers will start to even out more.

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What a Fun Test.

I'm a INFJ........the F probably helps me in the sales field. 

NN

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks Troof

That made my morning. I laughed my arse off. The picture of him riding the bear is my favorite.

But of course you would think I have INTJ envy. I'm sure all INTJs would agree.

With 17 different types, shouldn't we assume most of us fall into some 4-5%? I'm guessing there are a few types left out. Now those are the people I'd like to meet!

I thought the point of the test was to make you aware of your tendencies (strengths and more importantly weaknesses) of your own type in relation to other types so that you can find ways to connect. Also, your type may change depending on when you take the test. Jung was introverted for the first half of his life and as he individuated he became much more extraverted. In additon, he was a pretty miserable father and husband for most of his life, but again, later in life patched things up with his wife and kids.

I'd like to know where all the introverted and extraverted STPs and SFJs are? Are they ignoring us? Do they think they are too good for our poll? What gives? It's so like them to do this. Probably having a party without us.

 

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forces of natural selection at play?

Fascinating.  Maybe the forces of natural selection at play here.  Maybe only a handful of personality types make it through to the next paradigm or are around in 50 years.  The minority will be the majority as they carry the essential traits to survive and adapt through the next 'shift'.  EVOLUTION rocks! (INTP here) Just my early morning, still waking up silly 2 cents worth.

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Yesser, yesser, three bags full
davefairtex wrote:

One of the more valuable management classes I took involved strategies for interacting, which required first understanding who each individual was, and then learning how to frame discussions with each one to facilitate interaction.  Simple stuff like "how do you feel" used with the F types, and "what do you think" for the T types.

Not an INTJ?

But definitely some NLP.

Hmmmmm.  I've seen those behaviors around here once or twice!

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just another artist/scientist INTJ

Hi, I was pre-engineering in high school, then Bio-major in college, turned career figurative sculptor....INTJ, of course, (but borderline to the other largest group ENTP)...hello my brother....That is really a very interesting analytical observation,  that this site gathers that curious cluster of personality-types that intuit the changes coming but also read the graphs, and sensibly seek to prepare.  

Survival of the herd needs different types, some keep on munching grass, while others pause and look up because they sense danger/change/shift in environment.

www.billhopen.com

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Amanda is right..

I have a suspicion that the stats will not vary much from the current spread ( currently 54 )

I added to the intp stats....

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Interesting results

Another INTJ here.  Interesting how many people responding are in that category.  I think Arthur Robey may be on to something however.  It is much more likely for we INTJ's to be sitting at our computer on a Saturday morning having a compelling need to find out our personality type.  The folks who crave relationships and social contact are probably out hunting down both. We'll see how the final numbers come out.

This thread has solved a personal question for me. Although I am completely opposed to most of his policies I have to confess a secret admiration for the way Putin approaches and handles things. Until now I could never figure out why.

 

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INFJ

which I'd rather be than INTJ, as most INTJ's that I know, never accept others points of views, and always think "they're right" no matter how much info you put in front of them.  I've also found that some of them lack empathy, and I'd even put a few in the psychopath category.

 

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I'm an "INFJ"
LogansRun wrote:

which I'd rather be than INTJ, as most INTJ's that I know, never accept others points of views, and always think "they're right" no matter how much info you put in front of them.  I've also found that some of them lack empathy, and I'd even put a few in the psychopath category.

Well, based on the somewhat brief and probably 'incomplete test linked above, I too came out an INFJ, but not strongly so...slight preferences got me there.

But I have to admit, there were several questions that I could have scored either way with more context provided, so I am not hinging too much on the result.

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link

Hey Chris (and others),

That link is a quick and dirty assessment so take it as a guide. Actual metrics might change a little from what your results are here. Im not sure who the authority is for issuing the test, but that link is just a rough version that is free.

Cheers,
Aaron

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Yeah, but....

how many of you had the curiosity to have your sig. other take the test also, and then fork over the $6 to see if the two of you are compatible, marriage-wise?  I was too, uhhhmm, cheap.  Is that a INTP trait?  Like Chris, slight preferences got me here.....Aloha, Steve.

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intj here

I just took the test and came a an INTJ for what ever that means There were a few questions that could have gone either way.

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Chris

If you'd like more information on the types read "Please Understand Me" by David Keirsey. There are more detailed descriptions there that will help you in placing your particular type. I do find the description fits for me (also INFJ). But - remember that it's just a map, not the territory. We are much more than our personalities. This type of system can be helpful in relationships because it takes a neutral stance on the differing personality types. There is no judgment that one type is better than another. I've found it helpful as a reminder that we have different "operating systems" and some are more compatible than others. My husband and I are mostly very compatible, and where we aren't, we can laugh about it rather than make the other person wrong for just being themselves.

Anything that helps with self-knowledge is good and the less judgment there is in the world the better.

Joyce

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I agree...

There were a few questions there that I could have gone either way, but I had to weigh out the %'s, and also put my immediate feeling upon reading the question to play.

On my previous comments:  No disrespect intended to the INTJ's here.  I was just going by my own personal experiences with people I know, who score in the INTJ category.  

cmartenson wrote:
LogansRun wrote:

which I'd rather be than INTJ, as most INTJ's that I know, never accept others points of views, and always think "they're right" no matter how much info you put in front of them.  I've also found that some of them lack empathy, and I'd even put a few in the psychopath category.

Well, based on the somewhat brief and probably 'incomplete test linked above, I too came out an INFJ, but not strongly so...slight preferences got me there.

But I have to admit, there were several questions that I could have scored either way with more context provided, so I am not hinging too much on the result.

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types

INTP.
I thought I was ISTP.
INTP score: 78, 38, 50, 78
The distributions graph posted of members types isn't very interesting without knowing what the general population looks like; does anyone know if it's typical?

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Two tests.... the same result

I came out INTJ twice.  The second test indicates that the N, T and J characteristics are "weakly expressed."  

I guess I should not be surprised by the poll.  The overwhelming barrier I have run across when sharing the contents of Peak Prosperity, is that people don't want to consider the data.  They cut off listening or refuse to take the crash course because they don't want to believe that it could be true.

I gave up quite some time ago, hoping we could ever send a coherent message to Washington.  Even if we could, which we never will, I have given up on the hope that Washington would pay attention to the message.

Possibly, the poll tells us that Peak Prosperities target audience is predominantly a limited portion of the population based on personality type.

Les

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Did the test twice still came to INFJ

Logan very observant.

which I'd rather be than INTJ, as most INTJ's that I know, never accept others points of views, and always think "they're right" no matter how much info you put in front of them.  I've also found that some of them lack empathy, and I'd even put a few in the psychopath category.

You're almost right about that. My boyfriend did the test and he came out INTJ. Augh ! We get along on most fronts  but he can be stubborn and blurts out with out thinking "T" the most insensitive things.  The empathy part is a little lost. I then have to beat him with a stick. wink  Mr. know it all too.

NN

Ps Sorry still trying to figure out the boxing of paragraphs. I'll get it some day.

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INFJ

Moderate preferences in all categories.  What a burden, who wants the personality of a Martin Luther King or a Mother Teresa.  Looks like Vlad is having a lot more fun.  No wonder I'm not the hit of the party.  Though I don't know how much stock to put into tests like that.  Almost all the questions would have different answers depending on context. For instance, experimenting, if it is a subject that I am familiar with, it is a strong preference.  If I'm new to a subject, than I like learning from an expert.  Almost every question is like that. But it was fun to see the results.

I always did think that I should have been a professor and not an Architect though.

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MB results

FWIW treebeard I used to be INTJ but after taking the test today, I am an INFJ.  I can understand my old thinking, and I can still go there if I need to, but its not the place I want to live anymore.

 

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Is and Ns
davefairtex wrote:

FWIW treebeard I used to be INTJ but after taking the test today, I am an INFJ.  I can understand my old thinking, and I can still go there if I need to, but its not the place I want to live anymore.

I'm close to the same place but 1% over the side into T from F.  As many have noted, many of the questions have borderline answers so those who are on the cusp can go both ways.  Overall though, the Is and the Ns greatly outnumber the Es and Ss which is quite interesting.

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T vs F

Dave, I agree.  I have a strong feeling that the T and F side of us tends to predominate in different situations and the test ferrets out which is our general preference.  I know that I generally am introverted, but have been at times extremely extroverted. Etc., Etc.  I think that as we age, we tend to shift more frequently from the T to Feeling side of things. 

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84% Introverts in the respondents

I'd have to say that surprises me a bit.

Les

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ENTJ/ENTP (67-62-25-1)

Only a 1% preference on the J, or as the test said (no preference).  Reading the descriptions of both on Wikipedia, they seem to fit me pretty well, but the ENTP seemed most accurate.   I am also surprised by all the introverts...

gillbilly wrote:

Unfortunately, the two types misunderstand one another and tend to see only the other's weakness, so that to the extravert the introvert is egotistical and dull, while the introvert sees the extravert as superficial and insincere.

Hmm, that might explain a few interactions.....wink

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Unfortunately, the two types misunderstand one another and tend to see only the other's weakness, so that to the extravert the introvert is egotistical and dull, while the introvert sees the extravert as superficial and insincere.

As a pretty strong "I"-scoring INTJ, this does explain my view of extroverts just about 100%.  When I interact with the kinds of people who are strong "E"s -- the kind who have the insuppressible urge to verbalize every single thought that comes through their head to everyone within earshot -- I see them exactly as described above.  In fact, I often reach the point that they grate on my nerves so much that I don't even want to be in the same room with them.

And I'm sure that many of those extroverts see my lack of desire to engage in small talk as dullness -- when in fact I'm just waiting for a topic that can spark a deep, meaningful and exploratory conversation.

I also know this goes a long way toward explaining why I'm not really very good at large parties, but put me into the middle of a small gathering (4-8 people) and I completely thrive.

I'll have to keep this in mind the next time I'm dealing with one of those over-the-top extroverts, and remember that they're not necessarily superficial and insincere -- just as I'm really not egotistical and dull.

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Misleading folks on Gold manipulation

Exactly why Davefairtex continues to mislead folks into believing that Gold manipulation either does not exist, or is a balanced two-way street of up and down manipulation, is beyond me.  It has nothing to do with whether one is an INTJ or other...   or are we to conclude that Jesse is an INTJ?  

L.S.: Is the rigging of the precious metals markets getting more and more obvious for you as a trader?
 

Jesse.: I do not see how anyone who watches the tape can miss it. The sell-at-market of large numbers of contracts in quiet periods, what has been called the Dr. Evil strategy, is hard to miss. The intent is quite clear, to knock the price down for some period of time. A simple rule would suffice to stop this sort of abuse, but it does not happen.

link:  http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2013/09/jesse-we-are-seeing-all...

I am considering creating an entirely new Gold and Silver Group within PP.com that would focus on looking at the signals coming from the physical Gold market in order to assess the ever-building stress levels.. viewing the markets through the lens of manipulation, the weakening influence of Comex, etc., due to the absence of information coming through in price.  Please PM me if you think I/we should proceed in this direction.

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manipulation - tactical vs strategic

Jim-

Exactly why Davefairtex continues to mislead folks into believing that Gold manipulation either does not exist, or is a balanced two-way street of up and down manipulation, is beyond me.  It has nothing to do with whether one is an INTJ or other...   or are we to conclude that Jesse is an INTJ?

Its pretty straightforward.  I "continue to mislead folks" because I just don't agree with you completely.  Is this such an unreasonable position to take?  Ok, I admit it, its a rhetorical question.  Clearly by your comment, it is unreasonable of me to disagree with your interpretation of the evidence - even though its just a partial disagreement.

If Jesse is an actual trader of gold and silver futures, he sees the same thing that I do.  Tactical manipulation happens almost every single day of the week.  Stops get run daily, sometimes in one direction, sometimes in another.  Sometimes it happens in both directions in one day, like today.  Its a tough market to make money in.

Sometimes its more dramatic than others, like back in April 2013 at support after 3 months of downside move - or back at the top of silver in 2011 when there was that big dump at the highs in asia at oh-dark-thirty in the morning.  If you were long silver at that moment, you were very upset at that one.  $25k loss per contract in moments.  We need trade and position limits to stop that sort of dramatic game playing.

From my perspective - and as I've said numerous times - I think there is ample evidence to support a charge of ongoing tactical manipulation within an overall trend.  I'd much prefer a market where that stuff didn't happen.  I don't think it adds at all to price discovery.  Its just a way for the big guys to skim cream.

This is where we agree.

The degree of strategic manipulation - of the ability of the big guys to enforce a given trend and the  complete control over the market that some allege, I see that as a matter of opinion, and one I don't share, because in my opinion the evidence doesn't support such a charge.  This is where we disagree.

My primary rationale is based on the following reasoning: if there was effective control, and there was a conspiracy to "keep gold down", its been a remarkably ineffective conspiracy over the past 12 years of the gold bull market.

If we are to believe in the storyline that The Fed/Bankers have complete/effective control over the markets (gold and equities), we would have to explain the following:

* the gold market (the ones the Fed/banks want to keep down) has been a seven-bagger from 2000-2012

* the equity market (the one the Fed desperately wants higher) has been flat over that same period.

If these guys have control over markets, they're the Keystone Cops.  The market they want kept down has had a massive rally, while the one they want up has gone nowhere.  Perhaps they try to control the market, but those efforts simply do not work.

That's my evidence against "Fed/banker effective control" over the gold market.

Tactically - definitely yes.  Long term - story doesn't fit the evidence.

Regarding your new group - I vote yes.  I want to hear more about physical supply, especially if I don't agree with it.  Otherwise I get stuck in confirmation bias-land, and that's not good.

I do have one question though.  What does INTJ have to do with gold manipulation?  I actually thought I was one up until I took that test a few days ago.

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Gold market manipulation

Dave,  The market manipulation of which I speak went into high gear starting 2011... so the existence of the long term bull market starting in the early 2000's is not really key here.  I will plan a much more detailed post exploring this idea, juxtaposing the physical off-take trends by central banks and sovereigns, at some point in the future.  I side with those who see the footprints of strategic manipulation.. and you can't face the scenarios this could bring about if you don't first face it.  If you don't see the small tube feeding pure Oxygen to the canary... then all you see is the (still living) canary.  I believe we need to focus on other ways to test the atmosphere around the canary.        

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gold market manipulation storylines

Jim,

The goldbug crowd has been talking about manipulation in the gold market ever since I can recall.  I'm sure other readers have a similar experience.  Every downturn: its always manipulation.  Every up-move: fought uphill against the sneaky manipulators.  This storyline did not just start in 2011.

To me, it appears to be the typical conspiracy mindset - an inability to explain the vagaries of a very complicated (perhaps even inexplicable) marketplace, together with actual, visible, daily tactical manipulation calculated to skim cream for the big bankers leads to just one conclusion: complete control by the evil bankers/Fed.

You see things differently than I do - I get that.  That's ok with me.  I don't see you as a shill for Eric Sprott, you just have your own ideas.  As long as you give me the same level of respect - that I have my interpretation, and that I'm legitimately entitled to differ from you without being subject to accusations that I'm deliberately lying or misleading people, I'm fine.

I look forward to seeing your posts, and what you come up with.

 

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I do think you are misleading people

And I do not want to interact with you on the topic of Gold and Silver. 

And don't tell me I started it, because you have been constantly referring back to our past interactions, including the referenced post in this thread about INTJ's and their stubborn ways.... so let's just drop it.  I feel that we need to have a place where we can talk about Gold and Silver from the standpoint of suppressive manipulation being, "settled science".  I have no stomach for attacking your posts anymore.. it is clearly ineffective.  I will let the other, nicer folks do as they see fit in addressing your paradoxical behavior.       

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looking forward to it

I really do look forward to your posts on manipulation as settled science.  What's more, I promise to do my very best to give your posts the treatment that I might call the Hrunner treatment.  I haven't managed to reach his level of respectful discussion/debate/dissent just yet, but I promise to work harder in that area.

As you commented on my posts in the past, I naturally will feel free to comment on yours.  Seems fair to me, as long as I remain polite and factual.  If you don't respond to my comments, I won't make a thing of it.

 

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I was afraid of and/or defensive towards this test 12 years ago

Twelve years ago when I took this, I scored as an ENFJ, although only marginally in terms of some of the categories and I clearly remember being sort of afraid and or defensive while I was going through the questions.  The reason I share that now is because I think maybe the process of taking the test is more valuable than the outcome in terms of understanding one's self better.

Strangely, this time my results place me as an INTP, although only slightly in both the I and the P.  I still am not sure about how accurate the test is, since the accuracy of my responses depend on my self knowledge and my ability to be honest with myself.  But, the process is fun.  And...wow, this is the first time my wife has been interested in something on PP.  Now she's going to take the test too!

INTP

Introvert(6%)  iNtuitive(56%)  Thinking(25%)  Perceiving(22)%

·       You have slight preference of Introversion over Extraversion (6%)

·       You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (56%)

·       You have moderate preference of Thinking over Feeling (25%)

·       You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (22%)

Cheers,

Hugh

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