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James Howard Kunstler: The Coming Economy Of "Less"

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Sunday, March 11, 2018, 8:20 PM

Author and commentator James Howard Kunstler returns as our podcast guest this week for an update on where we are in The Long Emergency timeline.

In this wide-raging discussion ranging from the pervasiveness of propaganda in today's media to the risk of nuclear war, Kunstler also re-news his warnings of a current secular economic slowdown.

After too many years of market interventions, magical thinking, racketeering, and bleeding the 99% dry, he warns that our culture and economic system will soon reach a snapping point:

The important story is what happens in the financial sector and how it effects the economy in the next twelve to eighteen months. As we know, the financial system is the most abstract and fragile of all the systems that we depend on because the other systems can't run without it. The trucks won't make the food deliveries to the supermarkets unless the finance system works. The gasoline won't get to the pumps at the stations.

Nothing's going to move if the financial system cracks up. People no longer trust each other to transact, to get paid. And so they stop transacting.

We're talking about a falling standard of living and getting used to an economy of "less". It sounds kind of Ebenezer Scrooge-ish to suggest that people may have to do with less rather than more, because more has always been the expectation in our lifetime. But that's probably a fact. And as I've said more than once, reality has mandates of its own. Circumstances are going to inform us about how this economy is emerging and where we need to go with it. And we can either pay attention or just sit there with our fingers in our ears. 

What we're talking about here is the armature of our culture and economy that people hang their lives on. And that armature is crumbling. There are fewer things that people can hang a life on in a meaningful way, or a way that even ensures that they can have a little bit of security looking into even a short-term future.

For example, I had a day yesterday that felt like national Murphy's Law Day. I got a screw in a tire. The screw was in a place where, under New York State law, they're not allowed to fix the tire if the screw is near the outside of tread. So I had to buy a brand-new tire. And then I was going to take the trash to the dump in my old pickup truck, which I keep around for that purpose. But the battery was dead. So I had to go down to the auto parts store and buy a new battery, and bring it home and put it in.

Now, I'm among the lucky people in this land who can actually buy a new tire and buy a car battery. But probably some enormous percentage of the population, like 78% or 84% -- I'm not quite sure what it is -- they don’t have enough money to buy a new car battery if their car dies on some god forsaken freeway shoulder 38 miles from home. Imagine how crazy-making that is. I can easily, because I was a truly starving bohemia until well into my 40s, struggling just to pay the light bill while writing book after book. So I know what it's like to live day after day in that kind of financial anxiety.

I imagine that the financial anxiety out there right now is just so extreme that there's a whole mass of people who are being pushed to the limits of their sanity.

Click the play button below to listen to Chris' interview with James Howard Kunstler (57m:11s).

Transcript: 

Chris: Welcome everyone to this Peak Prosperity podcast. I am your host, Chris Martenson. And it is March 7, 2108. We are now half way through the twenty-year period of strange adjustment I set forth as being critical all the way back in 2008. Now, what's the next ten years going to hold? Hm. Well, if recent events are any indication, things will go faster and faster as the quickening sets upon us, and events will become harder and harder for the average person to interpret let alone integrate. Who better help to orient us to this rapidly deforming landscape then a regular guest and my personal friend, James Howard Kunstler.

Jim, of course, is well know author and social critic who hardly needs and introduction to me audience. His best-known works include The Long Emergency, in which he argued that declining oil production will result in the reversal of modern industrialized society and compel Americans, at some point, to return to smaller scale, localized, semi-agrarian communities. He also wrote the book series that began with World Made by Hand and sequel, The Witch of Hebron, A History of the Future, and most recently, The Harrows of Spring which uses fiction to really entertainingly transport us into what the future of less might look and feel like. Welcome, Jim, it's so good to have you back.

Jim Kunstler: It's a pleas to be here, Chris, and you make me blush.

Chris: That's not easy, I've heard.

Jim Kunstler: It's a white privilege thing.

Chris: [Laughter] We'll get into that too, I guess. Hey, you know, so at kunstler.com you now write posts twice a week, and recently you had a few pieces on your blog, the most current of which is title Light it Up. And in there, it opened with this line, "It must be hard on The New York Times editors to set their hair on fire day after day in their effort to start World War III. Today's lead story, Russian Threat on Two Fronts, Needs Strategic Void in the US, aims to keep ramping up twin hysterias over a new missile gap and fear of Russian meddling in the upcoming 2018 mid-term elections".

All right, Jim, two things I want to ask you about this. First, the nearly hysterical attempts, and I didn't mean that in a funny way. I shouldn't have laughed right then. The nearly hysterical attempts by the mainstream media to ignite a war with Russia. And second, people's reactions to your pointing this out – I will note for everybody listening – this is kind of risky area for both Jim and myself to be discussing because we might as well be saying that we think the whole Communist under every bed narrative is overdone at the heights of McCarthyism. That's how it feels to me, right. Never the less, let's begin with the war on Russia, Jim, which is being actively promoted by the largest media interests being somehow in our collective best interest. War with Russia feels wildly dangerous to me, and it the prime reason I rejected Hillary Clinton as a candidate in 2016. She openly advocated for immediate war with Russia which I, I think for very good reasons, considered and still consider both unnecessary and insanely dangerous. Tell us what's going on here in your mind?

Jim Kunstler: I think what is really going on, what's sort of behind the insanity of this, is the very strange and mysterious collapse of the intellectual class in America. Now, you’ve got a class of people in the media and academia, highly educated people, the permanent bureaucracy in the government who now believe in crazy things and are proposing dangerous things and seem to have just completely lost it. It does demonstrate something about the madness of crowds. Some things, in a way, are beyond the rational reach of analysis. You know, you're just in kind of unchartered territory of group herd emotion whether it's wildebeests or lemmings or people on the upper east side of Manhattan setting their hair on fire.

I think the real question you have to ask is what happens to a society when the thinking class can't think anymore? To me, that's the most dangerous thing. And the mendacity they are showing is amazing. The New York Times did another amazing thing about ten days ago. They published a lead editorial by David Leonard, and the headline of the editorial was an interrogatory which went as follows: Still Don’t Believe in Russian Meddling? Okay. Now, the curious thing was this was the only editorial on the op-ed page that day that didn't have a comment section. Okay. So they pose the interrogatory, and then they really don’t want to hear any answers about it. Because I would have been happy to write in and say, no, I'm among the 1,416 people who actually think this is an overblown farrago.

Chris: So this is interesting because I'm a data guy, and I love evidence, and I'm pretty well read. I've not yet personally read a single piece of evidence that I would consider compelling that says Russia has meddled anymore than IPAC meddles or gosh, actually a thousand-fold less than that, or France might have meddled or any other country that has an interest. But I haven't seen the data yet except I'm supposed to believe from the Mueller that indictment came down that 13 Russians operating out of a crack little house were somehow an existential threat to this thing called the United Sates. My comment there, Jim, might be that if that's true, if they posed a threat, we're in really bad shape.

Jim Kunstler: And don't forget they spent $100 thousand. [laughter] $100 thousand. Oh my God. What an overwhelming tie to bad money. I think what we're seeing is really a very crude setup to delegitimize whatever happens in the 2018 elections if they don’t like it. If the New York Times doesn't like the outcome for some reason, if three fewer democratic candidates for Congress get elected than they wanted they’ll haul that out and find six Russian trolls on Twitter and say, well, that disqualifies the whole election. Let's have a do-over, and this time don’t let the Republicans vote. Or something like that. And I'm not even a Republican. You know, the weird thing is that I remain a registered Democrat. You know, I registered for the first time during the McGovern campaign in 1972 when I was in my early 20s. The only reason I remain a registered Democrat is so I can vote in the New York State primary. But I'm completely alienated from whatever the party used to stand for. It used to be the party of the thinking class. The old chestnut was that the Republicans were the dumb party, and the Democrats were the smart party largely because the Democrats were the one who poured out of the Ivy League universities. But the Ivy League universities now have gone mahogany, as my people say, so they can't be trusted. And I don’t want to sound like a paranoid, a paranoidic [PH], but I don’t feel comfortable around the intellectual class in America anymore.

Chris: And isn't that kind of fascinating?

Jim Kunstler: Oh, it's weird. The weirdest thing you can imagine, but luckily, I have a sturdy enough sense of the universe and my place in it that I'm not running around with my hair on fire about it. But it sure provides me a lot of weird material to write about.

Chris: Well, before we more on to that really rich territory, I just want to close up this idea that there are active interests that are attempting to promote war with Russia, and I'm confused. I have the opportunity to talk with people who are very well read or who have held senior positions in various places or whatnot, and I can't find anybody who's been able to answer affirmatively in any way that I understand what exactly is it that Russia has done that's so against US interests? Because everything Russia's done so far has been a reaction to something the US already did. Russia didn't create an issue in Syria. They had to react to it after the United States, France and the UK went in in 2011 and started stirring stuff up and funneling arms to really dangerous, unsavory characters. They didn't annex Crimea until after Western interests had come in and completely destabilized the entire country through a coup, and on and on and on.

So they’ve been reacting, and more recently, Putin came out with what I think should have been front line, top, above the fold headlines in this country which is, he came out and said, I need to remind you all that we have these really dangerous weapons, and you are playing a very dangerous game. And, by the way, please stop deluding yourself, you cannot protect yourself from these things. There is no such thing as a winnable nuclear war. My God, do we have to revisit the concept of mad?

Jim Kunstler: Yeah, I think that was a very clear message to the USA to remind the permanent bureaucracy and their handmaidens that nuclear war is unthinkable, so please stop thinking about it, and please stop talking about it because it ain't going to happen unless you want to blow up the world. And somehow The New York Times and the State Department needs to be reminded about that.

Chris: Where is that coming from?

Jim Kunstler: What's the that?

Chris: Where is this urge to go to war with somebody? Is this just, I mean, listen I'm in America so everything's a racket from renewing my car license to getting healthcare. So is this just sort of a Raytheon McDonald Douglas wish list saying gosh, we think terrorism is a marketing avenue sort of run its course, it's hard to really expand budgets. By the way, we have a new class of weaponry that terrorists can't really complete with. So we need a new marketing foil. Is this a Madison Ave campaign being run for the defense industry, or is it, what's happening here? I don’t even understand it.

Jim Kunstler: I'm inclined to not think that it is just a straight out military industrial intelligence complex conspiracy to keep a permanent enemy in view. I do think that it is just more of, you know, it represents a kind of psychotic fugue state that an organism, in this case a country rather than a person, you know, the fugue state that they enter when they're under extreme stress and distress. And I would say that the source of the stress is something that you have been talking about for the last several years which is the trouble that we have with the equation between our energy supply and our energy inputs and how that affects our financial system and ultimately the economic system.

The financial system, when we say financial system, it kind of suggests we're talking about the one tenth of one percent who just cream off, or asset strip, rents and stuff in the economy. Basically, kind of a giant rip off. But the economy is different. The economy is all those millions of people who no longer have the wherewithal to go in and even buy a car on an installment loan. The economy is the supermarket in my town full of hopeless, overweight people subsisting on pepperoni sticks and having no purpose that they can find in everyday life at every level, you know, at the practical level and really quite at the existential level. I think what we're seeing is kind of a typical reaction that a person or a collection of persons go through when they're under extreme stress and they start to sort of abstract their world in the collective imagination. And that's what's happened.

But, you know, you're quite right about Russia. We have done nothing but antagonize them for the last ten years. We told them back in the early 90s we promise Yeltsin that we were not going to expand NATO, and here we are with NATO running clear up to the Russian border with the Baltic States. And NATO putting tanks there and running war games right next to their border. We have the takeover, not the takeover, but the coup that we engineered in Ukraine which was certainly much more overt than anything that 13 Russian Facebook trolls might have done in the American election of 2016. We have all the sanctions that we slapped on them to make their economic life difficult, like depriving them of participation in the SUISSE system of financial clearances that most of the rest of the world has to use in order to send shipment of ores here and there and do all the other large scale international transactions. So you know, we're just pushing their buttons. Plus we're calling them names. And the most remarkable thing to me is how even-tempered Mr. Putin has been in response. And yeah, I'm not a Russian agent.

Chris: Well, listen, I think people need appropriate context here. It was last year, because you mentioned those NATO so called war games, and they aren't games, by the way. They seemed deadly serious to me. But United States move an entire mechanized brigade into Estonia, right up at the Norva border there, putting it less than artillery range away form St. Petersburg, second largest city in Russia. So we put hundreds of artillery pieces right within range of the second largest city and called it a game.

Jim Kunstler: And by the way, how stupid is that to the Europeans who really have to depend on Russian exports of natural gas in order to heat their houses? Do they want to spend the next untold decades just freezing to death?

Chris: You know, I can't even begin to account for the stupidity of the Europeans in all of this. Brussels is somehow coopted. I don’t know what happened there, but clearly their own interests are not aligned with the United Stated in terms of antagonizing Russia for that one simple reason. If Russia turns off the gas taps for any reason, particularly in winter, all of Europe suffers badly and instantly. Why would you do that? Again, but what has Russia done that's that bad? What have they done? Did they falsify intelligence and attack and entire nation and kill a million people? What did they do?

Jim Kunstler: My view is that, and this, maybe this is hopelessly naïve, I don’t think so. My view is that after the communist regime fell and after the early 90s when they finally kind of shook off the worst of the chaos that they were going through in their transition, I think their main desire was to simply be treated as a normal European nation, you know, after three quarters of a century of being this kind of abnormal monster on the fringe of Europe. And I think they wanted very deeply to be regarded as a normal European nation, as a normal European trading partner, and we have done everything we possibly could to frustrate that. And maybe there was some feeling over the last twenty years that if we allowed that to happen that their influence over Western Europe would somehow eclipse ours. I mean, that's a hypothetical, and I don’t really know. But otherwise, the reason for our antagonism remains pretty mysterious.

Chris: So I want to turn now to this concept of psychological operations, or PSYOPs. So first, a definition. Psychological operations, or PSYOPs, are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives and objective reasonings and ultimately the behavior of governments, organization, groups, and individuals. And so I got a quote here from a recent piece by Kaitlyn Johnstone in medium.com. The piece is title "The US Empire is Acting Like a Despite Cornered Animal Because that's what It Is". And the quote is. 'I insist that American's are generally good hearted human beings who just happen to have a lot of ideas swimming around in their heads which benefit their governments war machine and ruling oligarchs. Indeed, American itself could be described as one gigantic, ongoing PSYOP infecting 323 million otherwise healthy homo-sapiens. Propaganda is one of the most under appreciated and overlooked aspects of human experience. The way those empowered use media to manipulate how people think and vote affects every significant issue in a truly massive way. Yet it rarely even comes up in conversation. Americans are some of the most aggressively propagandize people on our planet, and the mass media machine keeps acting stranger and stranger."

That resonates with me. That comports with how I view things at this point. What's your view here?

Jim Kunstler: Well, I noticed the other day, and not for the first time, that whenever NPR talks about Russian meddling, which is actually incessantly, they never say alleged Russian meddling. They always discus it as though we should take it for granted that it's been proven, and the evidence is there. But you know, I don’t think that the people in the media, for example, are that different from my educated friends just in my community who are not in the media who also seem to believe the same things. So again, I would attribute it more to a consensus of delusion rather than necessarily a PSYOP.

I think that one of the more obvious PSYOP aspects of this was the way that John Brennan, the head of the CIA, seems to have engineered the release of the 17 separate US intel agencies stating that Russia had interfered in the election. That happened in January of 1017. And that seems to have been the spark that ignited this hysteria. And if that was a PSYOPs, it wasn't a very complicated thing. And they didn't have to do much to set off this popular consensus of delusion. And of course, as we know, there really wasn’t any, there was no fact in that brief that was leaked to The Washington Post and other newspapers. You know, but somehow people took it almost instantly to be established fact.

So probably, I mean, this also might sound outlandish, but I don’t think that we can over estimate the trauma of Hilary losing the election to that class of people. They just haven't gotten over it. And then, you know, there's the added problem of Trump himself being an extremely unappetizing person who behaves impulsively and appears to be a dangerous character, an impulsive childish character with no decorum. And one of the things that saved Barrack Obama's reputation and presidency was the fact that he presented himself with tremendous decorum despite the fact that he was doing some pretty bad, or at least inept things, like, for example, not organizing any kind of legislative challenge to the Citizens United Supreme Court decision that opened the flood gates for all of this bad money coming into politics. He could have done that.

Of course, the executive doesn't legislate, but he can organize his majority in Congress to redefine what the personhood of a corporation is vis-s-vis political expression and money. He could have started that process very easily. And he could have gotten a national consensus of the voters and the population and his supporters behind that because it was such a bad thing. But he did not a darn thing. But he presented himself with such decorum that people simply liked having him as the face of the American government. And so he got away with it. But Trump, Trump is a boorish, clownish character who – you know, there are a lot of people who don’t like the fact that he's president, including myself. But I resent even more the dishonestly and the mendacity of the people who used to be my political allies.

Chris: I think that that's the greatest sin to the intellegentsia crowd is that not only is Trump not part of the intellegentsia crowd, but he wears that proudly.

Jim Kunstler: He wears it exuberantly and flamboyantly and boorishly.

Chris: He doesn't even want to be part of their club, and it's just so insulting.

Jim Kunstler: Well, he's this mad bull waving a red flag at them. And what does that do to the bull? It only makes the bull crazier. And so we're seeing increasingly crazy behavior from the thinking class who should know better in this country.

Chris: Right. Well, I want to get back to this idea that you said that it's established fact now about Russian meddling. There's no word alleged in front of the NPR pieces or elsewhere. So I have nine questions, a series of nine questions. See how many you can answer with a yes or no, and we'll just sort of get to the end of them, and see if we can connect a few dots, okay.

Jim Kunstler: Do you want me to answer as you go along?

Chris: Yes. Just either yes or no if you can. If you need to mort [PH], that's fine too. So question one. Jim, have you personally seen any evidence offered that Russia hacked the DNC servers?

Jim Kunstler: No.

Chris: Has any evidence been offered that Russia released the Podesta emails?

Jim Kunstler: No.

Chris: Did the DNC and Podesta emails reveal active collusion within and by the DNC to derail the Bernie Sanders campaign and to elevate Hilar Clinton?

Jim Kunstler: Established fact.

Chris: Has there ever been any evidence offered that whoever leaked the emails might have fabricated them or altered them in any way?

Jim Kunstler: Yes, I think we have plenty of reason to believe that.

Chris: That the emails were fabricated or altered?

Jim Kunstler: Oh, the emails. Excuse me. I'm sorry. You mean the Hilary and Podesta emails?

Chris: The Podesta and Hilary emails. Has anybody ever countered and said these were fabricated or altered?

Jim Kunstler: No. Nobody has ever made the claim that they were not what they were presented to be. That is, authentic emails from Podesta and Hilary and the DNC.

Chris: So these emails, however they came to light, reveal evidence of corruption and collusion within the DNC?

Jim Kunstler: Yes.

Chris: And, next question, has evidence been offered that the Clinton Foundation took money in large sums from Russians?

Jim Kunstler: I think that's already been proven. And I think that the amount is above $100 million.

Chris: So, yes, is it not true, as reported by The New York Times in 2015 that the Clinton Foundation took in $145 million from interest linked to Uranium One?

Jim Kunstler: Yeah. Apropos of what I just said.

Chris: Yes. Exactly. Did any of those Russians have strategic or financial interests they were seeking to advance that they were then successfully carried out?

Jim Kunstler: The answer to that is duh.

Chris: Yes. Last question. Has any evidence been offered of Trump collusion with Russia been offered yet?

Jim Kunstler: No. Not to my knowledge. There was kind of a weird, feckless meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russia lady lawyer in New York that seemed to amount to absolutely nothing.

Chris: This is where I get, so as an outside observer, again, I'm not a Trump fan. I'm not an RNC, I'm not a DNC. I'm like pocks on both houses kind of guy. I'm just relentlessly agnostic when it comes to politics. But I do love data, and I like to connect dots into coherent narrative. So help us. How do we connect those dots into coherent narrative that says Trump is the one that needs to be investigated for potentially damaging national security interests? Shouldn't there be at least wo investigations going on?

Jim Kunstler: Yeah. Perhaps even three, or two and a half. I'm still waiting for the Justice Department to do something about the FBI officers who were misbehaving in the last eighteen months around these investigations. We had Mr. McCabe. We have Bruce Ohr and his wife who seem to have been doing side dealings on their own with the people who were pushing the dossier. And of course, the famous Peter Strzok and Lisa Page and others. You know, we haven't heard a peep about what the Justice Departments interest in their behavior might be. And you know, they seem to have left a broader and more obvious trail than anybody else.

Chris: Right. So the way I add all these dots up, and the reason I pulled up this whole idea of a psychological operation or at least psychological things being in play, this feels like, in psychological terms classic projection. The DNC, to point a finger at one of the sets of parties here, really screwed up very badly. And they got caught. And it was ham handed and really inelegant, and they've been sued by people who donated to Bernie Sanders who found that those monies were actually used against him, not for him, and they thought that was a breach of something. And in defense of that, I love how their lawyer argued this for the DNC and Wasserman Schmidt and all those people. He said, hey, this is a first amendment right. This is their free speech. That's just them exercising free speech as a way to sort of dodge this. But instead of saying wow, we need to look in the mirror, we did some things, let's fix this, let's rebuild our party base, they said, oh, Russians.

Jim Kunstler: By the way, I'd like to point out a strange phenomenon that I think is very largely responsible for the hysteria level that we're seeing and the delusional level. You know, many of us turn on the cable news now and again, maybe even every night for a little while. And I wonder how many people notice this major change that is taking place. You know, 20 years ago when you turned on Walter Cronkite or Tom Brokaw on the network news, they would go to their correspondents in the field and you would get a half an hour of people reporting from Beirut and people reporting from Paris and people reporting from Lagos and Rio de Janeiro, and that was how the news was reported from people who are actually reporters. And now, there are no reporters left on CNN or FOX News or MSNBC. What they do is they say, and now we go to our panel. So all we're getting night after night are gangs of competing kibitzers. We're not getting news. And I wonder how many people have noticed that profound change in the way most Americans are getting the so- called news, which is no longer news.

Chris: Yep. Well, it's certainly interesting that what's passing for content these days is really devoid of context, and it's one of the reasons I've actually enjoyed reading through sometimes when Putin gives a press conference it might be four hours long. So when he was asked a couple years ago about the Crimean thing he rewound to the year 1724 and started there. There was all this context, you know, and in that larger sweep what he was saying made perfect sense. And for most, I think, consumers of US news, Crimea just sort of appeared out of the mist, and Russia seized it inappropriately. No context around the voting or they're all Russian speakers or they used to be part of Russia as recently as 1954.

Jim Kunstler: Or, the fact that is the site of their most important warm water naval bases and ports. The whole melodrama over Ukraine was insane, and it was just another angle on the delusional politics that we're sinking in the quicksand of delusional politics that we're in.

Chris: It feels to me a little bit like what's happening here. Did you see the movie Trading Place? Eddie Murphy. A long time ago, right. These two old white trader guys and they make this bet that they can elevate this shoe shine boy up to exalted status and then ruin him just for fun. And they trade a dollar at the end. Ha, ha, Mortimer, I told you I could do that, right. And of course, twist at the end he ends up outsmarting them which was fun. But I really feel like what's happening here are that there are groups that are, particularly in the media, that are very interested in keeping everybody divided, focused on the wrong things, providing no context because context only muddies the narrative they're trying to put forward, and I think it's convenient to have so-called people on the left and the right at the street level fighting each other when if fact the real threats they're facing are not the people they're pointing their fingers at. Not even close. Right.

The real threats in this story are the people who are sucking this country dry. They’ve been running a scheme and a racket for a long time that was okay as long as you could exponentially expand the economic pie forever, but that's not happening anymore. And it can't seem to happen. And there's all this debt, and of course we have the resource issues, all of that. And so something really uncomfortable is lurking under all this. But what most people are focused on and venting their anger towards and pointing their finger at isn't the real threat in their lives. Not even close.

Jim Kunstler: Yeah. And a lot of the people, especially people in the media, belong to the former middle class. Because the newspaper racket and the news media in general is kind of a collapsing industry full of people who can barely make a living anymore. so you'd think that they would be at least sensitive to that angle of that matrix of rackets that our country is turning into. But they're not. If you ask yourself whether people believe this stuff, and it's a broad spectrum of strange beliefs that we're now immersed in, and they range from the war mongering and Russia hating of certain groups on the left to the identity politics issues which, you know, I think a lot of people sincerely believe in what they're saying and doing in identity politics, but I don't think that it's a good thing for the country. And yet, those people sincerely believe that they're doing a good thing.

So I think what really going on there is just a frantic amount of virtue signaling of people desperately trying to demonstrate that I'm a good person. I'm a good person because I believe this. Please give me brownie points. And it's really kind of very basic human status seeking which is such a fundamental human group behavior, or the behavior of a human within a group. And so in the absence of other kinds of meaning in our culture, people are just grabbing for that brownie point gold ring on the merry-go-round of identity politics.

And to some extent, Russia hating has become incorporated into that as just part of the boiler plate of that personality. It's so incoherent and unreal that I think you're going to see the collapse of a lot of kind of individual world views at a certain point. And it's going to be a kind of pathetic spectacle when people like, I don't know, Charles Blow of The New York Times discovers that the things that he's been believing for the last ten years are mostly figment. So I continue to see it as a group psychological problem. And now incorporating certain kind of fashion trends and a certain reward system for making people feel good about themselves in the absence of an economy that can make them feel good about themselves.

Chris: Well, I think you're touching on something really important here which is. to bring out my compassionate side, is to say rather than seeing all of this as people being naively misled that underneath that what we're finding is that the American experience of life is so devoid of meaning and purpose, that to be offered something that offers the energy of purpose and direction, however scant, is still snapped up because that's the energy in the story. We live in such a bereft culture that, according to Sebastian Junger and the study that he did for his book Tribes, of the 22 veterans committing suicide each day in America, 11 of them never saw combat. They just find that the Esprit De Corp and the sense of belonging they had when they were in unit is so perversely missing when they come that they'd rather check out than stay part of that. I can't think of a more damning indictment of culture than that.

Jim Kunstler: When what you're experiencing in wartime is more meaningful and important to you than anything you that you can find when you come home, that's pretty grotesque. And what we're talking about here really is what is the armature of culture and economy that people can hang their lives on. And that armature is crumbling. And there are fewer things that people can hang a life on in a meaningful way or a way that even ensures that they can have a little bit of security looking into even a short-term future.

I had a day yesterday, for example, for me it was like national Murphy's Law Day. I got a screw in a tire. The screw was in a place where, under New York State law, they're not allowed to fix the tire if the screw is near the outside of tread, so I had to buy a new tire. A brand-new tire. The tire was two months old. And then I went back, and I was going to take the trash to the dump or transfer station in my old pickup truck which I keep around for that purpose, and the battery was dead. And I had to go down to the auto parts store and buy a new battery, and bring it up and put it in. So I am among the lucky people in this land who can actually buy a new tire and buy a car battery.

But probably some enormous percentage of the population, like 78, 84, I'm not quite sure what it is, you know, they don’t have enough money to buy a new car battery if their car dies on some god forsaken freeway shoulder 38 miles from home. Imagine how crazy-making that is. I can easily imagine because I was a truly starving bohemia until well into my 40s. You know, struggling just to pay the light bill writing book after book. So I know what it's like to live day after day in that kind of financial anxiety. And I imagine that the financial anxiety out there is just so extreme that you know, there's a whole other group of people that are just being pushed to the limits of their sanity.

Chris: I complete agree. To think about those poor formerly middle-class journalists struggling to both crank out articles explaining that Russia is the greatest threat we face, and then banging out the next article that says 42 percent of people are retiring with less then ten thousand in savings. And then banging out the next article that says oh, look, consumer credit hit a new all-time high, that much mean that people are feeling positive about things, and not being able to connect those dots into a different narrative which says people are borrowing money because they have to put the new battery on the credit card. That's a mark of survival, not confidence, or something like that because the larger narrative that has to be told here is that the systems are crumbling, and that makes us all nervous.

In The New York Times, last week, there's an article that just, you know, gut punches me that no white whale bred last year. None of them bred. Like okay, and wait, 80 percent of insects are missing from Germany. And hold on, 100,000 orangutans have been lost in the last seven years. They just come out daily, right. And you know, so I think the funniest, quippiest way I saw that captured was a picture on Twitter where somebody had noted, they said, we're spending billions trying to find life on other planets and spending trillions killing the life on this one.

Jim Kunstler: Yeah. That's analogous to Elon Musk's Mars project. He wants to ramp up this gigantic Mars exploration program and colonization program when we haven't demonstrated we're capable of colonizing the Earth successfully yet. A lot of what we've been saying over the last ten minutes or so points to what I think is really probably going to be the important story, and that is what happens in the financial sector and how it effects the economy in the next twelve to eighteen months because, as we know, the financial system is the most abstract and fragile of all the systems that we depend on because the other systems can't run without it. You know, the trucks won't run, the trucks won't make the food deliveries to the supermarkets unless the finance system works. The gasoline won't get to the pumps at the stations.

Nothing's going to move if the financial system cracks up. And by crack up, you know, there are many features of that, of course. One of them is that people doing transactions no longer trust each other to transact, to get paid. And so they stop transacting. Another feature of that which I know you’ve talked about with John Rubino and Charles is the short-term destiny of the dollar and whether it's going to have any value.

Chris: Let me just riff on that for a second because as were' talking here, just last night, the Commerce Secretary, Cohn, took avail [PH], and so just the revolving door of the Trump administration had another hit. So the idea there is that Trump's going to get to activate his trade wars. There's only two ways he can actually get what he wants. One is trade actually going into some sort of tailspin because everybody's doing tit for tat, retaliatory, Smoot-Hawley style trade stuff. That's a possibility. The other is he gets a weaker dollar. Either way, I think he's happy with that. And so, of course, today, S&P futures opened, they were down nearly 30 at one point, the S&P's very close to going green on the day right now, just relentless buying from the open buy "somebody", and of course, gold is down.

These are the two ways that the system signals that all is well, don’t worry. You know, and to me I just find it hysterical because to think about gold going down here is to say that somehow that news wasn’t dollar unfriendly. So it feels like, I can hear them straining from their little cubicles. The whole system is just so perverted. I can't help but feel like I know exactly what 1911 felt like. It wasn't the Arch Duke getting shot that caused World War I. It was the giant bon fire with all the dry tinder and the fuel poured on it that needed a spark. And this just feels just horrendously, grotesquely imbalanced worldwide, everywhere from geopolitical standpoint, financial, everything, all courtesy of activist Central Banks who thought a committee of people could set the prices of everything and that would somehow work out.

Jim Kunstler: And at the moment, I think that the markets signals that you're describing are particularly incoherent. Obviously, the gold signal is incoherent. But I think all the signals are a kind of noise at the moment. And the bottom line is that in order for the economy, so called, to evolve or emerge this bottleneck of trouble that we're going through, it has to be so severely reorganized that it is almost impossible for the people who run the current economy to imagine what that would be. It would be everything from the replacement of a chain store system of commerce back to a much more regional and local Main Street form of commerce. And you can describe what that's like fairly simply. But the difficulty of getting from point A to point B is just unbelievable. I mean, you're talking about reorganizing just about every supply chain and manufacturing and trade relationship that there is.

Chris: Well, moving from a position of living well beyond your means to living within your means.

Jim Kunstler: Yes. And we're also talking about a falling standard of living and getting used to what you started at the very beginning of the podcast referring to it as an economy of less. And you know, I mean, it sounds kind of Ebenezer Scrooge-ish to suggest that people may have to do with less rather than more because more has always been the expectation in our lifetime. But that's probably a fact. And as I've said more than once, reality has mandates of its own, and circumstances are going to inform us about how this economy is emerging and where we need to go with it. And we can either pay attention or just sit there with our fingers in our ears going la, la, la, la, la. And that appears to be the choice for now because the journey that we have to go on is just too difficult for people to imagine.

Chris: So let's talk about sane or coherent responses to an incoherent set of signals in a system that seems bent on careening into a brick wall at a very high rate of speed. Your response has been similar to mine which was to move to a more rural-ish sort of location to begin to enjoy a more direct connection with your food, be that through chickens, a garden fruit trees, things like that. My diagnosis and prognosis for a lot of this is that our nature connection is really vitally important to us and being connected to the rhythm of life is really important. And if people want more meaning and purpose, it's not going to be because Elon's company invents a better app, and Google helps you AI your way to happiness through better shopping. It's that we slow down. What I want to advocate for, in the minutes we have remaining, this discussion of how less is more in this story possibly, right.

Jim Kunstler: Yeah. And I find that, you know, I have done a similar thing, as you have. I've basically created a homestead in a small town. I found a piece of property that was literally a five-minute walk to Main Street, and yet I'm on the edge of town, literally the edge of town. And that stuff is all working out pretty well. My garden is working out well, and fruit trees are now about six years old. But I find that the most difficult thing is the construction project of forming people around you of people that you can rely on and people that have some sympathy with the project that you're undertaking and why you're doing it, and the things that they're doing themselves. Because a lot of the people in my community – I have friends that are manual laborers on local, boutique farms around here. And they're not typically blue-collar people, they're people who actually went to college. And they're struggling to the degree that's it's very hard for them to build up their own module of self-sufficiency. They’ve gone, to some extent, straight to serfdom.

And so it's not clear to me how the town that I live in, for example, is going to reorganize itself, although I'm quite sure that it will because human societies do. They are an emergent phenomenon. That's the only way that they really go from point A to point B or make whatever journey they have to make from one way of life to another. But I find the social component is something you really have to work at very hard, maybe even more hard than planting the trees and planting the garden.

Chris: I would agree, and it's part of the reason that I have some hostility towards these PSYOPs because I think they set back that enterprise. I think it's more difficult to engage people in that real conversation about the what's and the why's of responding coherently to this world as it unfolds. I just find that a harder prospect when people are distracted by, and consumed by, things that have no bearing on that discussion, really.

Jim Kunstler: Yeah, well, the other weird thing is that you and I both live in a milieu, having made a choice to move to a small town in rural New England. But you and I also venture out and to fly over America. And when you actually see the way people live in suburban Dallas, Texas and Albuquerque and Minneapolis and Nashville and Atlanta and you just see the worrying, blurring incoherence of this life of constant motion and noise it's even easier to understand why people can't think, and particularly why they can't think about their future. And any change in their daily life because it's just too overwhelmingly – it just produces to much cognitive confusion.

Chris: Well, if there was one piece of advice I would give to somebody, regardless of whether they were in Albuquerque, Nashville, Atlanta or wherever is I would say, get rid of your TV. I cannot believe how exquisitely good the programming is, and I use that word very carefully, the programming, is in order to insert ideas and to establish fact by reputation rather then evidence. And I don’t know how you could possibly – I'm not saying I'm better than these people because I can resist that sort of programming – I'm telling you I can't, it's that good, so I don’t have a TV in my house that operates with that programming on it because it's astonishing how good it is.

Jim Kunstler: Well, yes, but what we're also confronting there very directly are the diminishing returns of technology which are biting us back all over, and we are not paying sufficient attention to it, maybe no attention at all. This is what happens when you have cable TV and social media and the internet and people plug into all that stuff all that time. It has blowback, and apparently the blowback is pretty simple. It makes people delusional and stupid. And it may be no more complex than that. And that perhaps human beings can't really cognitively tolerate that much intervention in their brains everyday to have to think about this stuff. It's probably much more important to think about the thing on your workbench that you have to fix in order to make a water hydroelectric turbine work. Or what kind of crops you're going to plant in this planting bed, or something directly related to reality. But living in a mediated reality as much as we do has got to produce pretty bad psychological kind of entropic blowback.

Chris: I think we're about to tune in, turn off and drop out I guess. I don't know.

Jim Kunstler: Well, there's a lot to be said for that.

Chris: It is overload, and that's part of running a successful racket is to make sure your marks are unable to sort of spot the movement of the hands, you know, to figure out where the pea is under the cups. But just to me, to battle every year, to figure out what happened to my healthcare coverage, and making sure that I'm not accidently dropped because they just send the letters along with the other stream of letters they're sending you with nothing special on the outside to say, oh, by the way, we just changed your coverage or dropped you or whatever. Just to keep up with that alone is a pretty full-time enterprise. Don’t get me started on how extraordinary taxes are, and on and on and on. So I think it's just overload. And so when you have people who can't manage the flood of things that you have to manage. I mean, you just had to manage the idea that you had to confront that somebody somewhere had decided that it was illegal to fix your tire.

Jim Kunstler: Yeah. Right.

Chris: Everywhere you turn you will discover there's something like that, but what's consistent is wow, I have to open my wallet again.

Jim Kunstler: And a great part of what you're describing is actually very cruel. Especially the medical racket because not only does it fail to get people well, but it really torments them and antagonizes them and makes them feel small and threatened just by the prospect of having to go into he emergency room. Nobody wants to get three stitches and be charged ten thousand dollars for it. so that's pretty scary.

Chris: Well, I totally agree. So with that, we're out of time here for today. Obviously, you and I could do this for a long time.

Jim Kunstler: There's a lot to think about out there.

Chris: There is. This is very interesting. It's getting super interesting right now. And I guess my closing remark is I sincerely hope that if I had to pick one thing over the other, I would rather have a financial market correction that we then have to pause and think about than a war with Russia, but that's me.

Jim Kunstler: I absolutely agree with you, and I've been actually saying the same thing on my blog for the last six months that the most likely outcome, and probably the thing that we need most, is for the financial system to whack us upside the head with a two by four and say wake up. Within five minutes that would put and end to all this sort of Russia hallucination and other nonsense. So that, to me, is I think probably the likely place that we're going to. And of course, Mr. Trump is going to be, as I said a year ago, he's going to be the designated bag holder for that. Okay. He's a good bag holder. Let him be the bag holder.

Chris: Agreed. All right, Jim. Tell people how they can follow you and your writing.

Jim Kunstler: I publish my blog Monday and Friday. I put it up before 10:00 in the morning. It's at kunstler.com. K-U-N-S-T-L-E-R.com. And my books are all available at Amazon and other places. I would urge you to go to your local book seller. There are very few of them left out there, but if you have one go to them.

Chris: All right. Well, thank you so much for you time today, and we'll talk again soon.

Jim Kunstler: A pleas, Chris.

About the guest

James Howard Kunstler

James Howard Kunstler says he wrote The Geography of Nowhere, "Because I believe a lot of people share my feelings about the tragic landscape of highway strips, parking lots, housing tracts, mega-malls, junked cities, and ravaged countryside that makes up the everyday environment where most Americans live and work."

Home From Nowhere was a continuation of that discussion with an emphasis on the remedies. A portion of it appeared as the cover story in the September 1996 Atlantic Monthly.

His next book in the series, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, published by Simon & Schuster / Free Press, is a look a wide-ranging look at cities here and abroad, an inquiry into what makes them great (or miserable), and in particular what America is going to do with it's mutilated cities.

This was followed by The Long Emergency, published by the Atlantic Monthly Press in 2005, is about the challenges posed by the coming permanent global oil crisis, climate change, and other "converging catastrophes of the 21st Century."

His 2008 novel, World Made by Hand, was a fictional depiction of the post-oil American future. The sequel to that book, "The Witch of Hebron," was published in 2010.

Mr. Kunstler is also the author of eight other novels including The Halloween Ball, An Embarrassment of Riches and Maggie Darling. He is a regular contributor to the New York Times Sunday Magazine and Op-Ed page, where he has written on environmental and economic issues.

Mr. Kunstler was born in New York City in 1948. He moved to the Long Island suburbs in 1954 and returned to the city in 1957 where he spent most of his childhood. He graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus, worked as a reporter and feature writer for a number of newspapers, and finally as a staff writer for Rolling Stone Magazine. In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis. He has no formal training in architecture or the related design fields.

He has lectured at Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell, MIT, RPI, the University of Virginia and many other colleges, and he has appeared before many professional organizations such as the AIA , the APA., and the National Trust for Historic Preservation.

He lives in Saratoga Springs in upstate New York.

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James willing wears blinders

When Chris brings up the fact that we are one of the most propagandized country in the world, James willing believes that there is little organized conspiracy behind it.  The CIA has paid journalist's on the all  major newspapers and Bush changed the law saying that they can't be paid any longer, at least up front.  The military industrial complex has accelerated it's control over our country since the early 60's and hopefully peaked with the loss of HRC for presidency. Our brainwashes citizens  belief that we are the world's policeman is the world's biggest lie.  Marine General Smedley Bulter opinion that "War is a Racket" hasn't changed a bit and just has got worse.  When will James end his delusion, the plan by the one percent (I'm sure it's smaller than that) to take even more centralized control of us is obvious to those that choose (verify it) to believe it. 

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Yes, but..,

Caution is very warranted in this area. JHC frustrates me in this area too, but the “conspiracy under every stone” crowd frustrates me even more. This is one of the reasons I respect Chris so much; he walks the line very well. But, still, I note an unwillingness to give his opinion on certain topics, vaccinations being a notable example? That’s not judgement, far from it, I wouldn’t have the audacity. The point I’m trying to make is that we all draw our lines, I’m not a fan of JHC’s location, but I respect his perspective a great deal. Navigating this mess is a massive challenge for all. And a painful one! Loosely related and excellent article.....

 

https://www.ecosophia.net/a-rhetorical-education/

 

 

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Mentality of the .001%

Would like to see more discussion about why a handful of mega-billionaires (such as Koch bros., Sheldon Adelson, CEOs of oil and defense companies) are using their money/power in a self serving manner that is causing so much harm to the majority of people and the planet overall.

These people already have far more money than they could ever possibly spend, especially considering most are 60, 70, or 80+ yrs of age.  It's one thing to live a hedonistic, even selfish lifestyle w your riches, but another to use your riches to rig the system to gain more wealth  (and power). 

This handful of incredibly rich sociopaths are in a better position than anyone to take on the biggest problems the country/world faces, yet choose to game the system for their own benefit at the expense of everyone else?

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big tents

I like the big tent philosophy.  If someone comes here with an expertise to share, I like hearing it.  They don't have to agree with all of my beliefs to provide an interesting perspective.

What does Wolf Richter think about 9/11?  UFOs?  Vaccines?  JFK assassination?  Organic foods?  Operation Northwoods?  I don't honestly care.  At some point, filtering out people because they don't check all the right boxes will end up dramatically limiting the variety of people who can come here and contribute.

I know you weren't specifically saying "we should filter people out" - I'm just suggesting we be tolerant of differences, that's all.

Big tent. 

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and speaking of UFOs...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/12/ufo-encounter-new-footage-shows-u-s-navy-pilots-apparent-sighting-alien-craft-near-east-coast/415951002/

Newly declassified video and audio show U.S. Navy pilots apparently encountering a UFO — with no wings and no tail — as they flew their Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet along the East Coast in 2015.

Why do we think the Pentagon is declassifying these videos now?

Discuss!  :)

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On the European stupidity

Remember the division among the European countries in the the run up to the Iraq War on whether to back this military campaign or to oppose it, remember how Donald Rumsfeld played on these divisions with his distinction between Old Europe (headed by Germany and France) and New Europe (the newly liberated East European countries)? Where we thought that the fall of the Berlin Wall marked the end of European divisions, somewhat unexpectedly these divisions resurfaced in a new form in which the East European countries showed their undisputed loyalty to the USA, where some of the traditional Nato allies were voicing their doubts and their calls for reconsideration.

Well, this division is still very much a part of the European political and strategical situation. Of course both Chris and James are perfectly right in pointing out the stupidity of the official European stance on the coup d’etat in Ukraine and the sanctions on Russia and the outright military provocations of Nato all along the European border to Russia. After all, some of us here Europe are able to see that too, and there is no doubt that in some segments of the European societies the frustrations towards USA are building. USA is seen to deliberately stirring up tensions and divisions amongst neighbors. And USA apparently wants to sabotage the supply of natural gas from Russia to Europe (and from the Middle East to Europe).

As an alternative pathway regarding its energy supply, the USA is offering the European countries to buy LNG from the American fracking business, an offer that everyone at Peak Prosperity knows is just outright fraudulent and unrealistic. Very tellingly, this past November Poland struck a five year deal with American LNG-suppliers, which should liberate Poland from any dependency on natural gas from Russia. Ironically, when the hard winter hit the American north east, USA had to import LNG from Russia in an amount that matched what was being shipped off to Poland.

USA is persistently stirring up tensions and divisions in Europe for its own political and strategic objectives, and (some of) the East European countries apparently still revel in the status as special friends and partners to the US. This loyalty of the East European countries to outside forces is what have let Russia and Germany to develop a direct energy supply line in the form of the Nord Stream 2 Project. The track of this pipeline is projected to pass right by the small Danish island of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea, and as a dane myself I picked up on a somewhat peculiar public meeting on Bornholm held by the Danish Ministry of Energy. The peculiar thing about this meeting was, that the attendance of a whole array of Polish officials outnumbered the Danish citizens attending. And the Polish representatives were so eager to pose questions and state all sorts of criticism of the project that they in effect took over the meeting, and half of the attending Danish citizens left before the meeting was over.

Also very tellingly, a contemporary statement from the then Danish Foreign Minister Martin Lidegaard read: ”In my view, whether Denmark in the end shall vote yes or no [to the Nord Stream 2 Project] depends largely on whether we can unite the EU [member states]”. So one way of explaining the obvious stupidity of the European countries is to factor in just how far the leading countries are prepared to go in the effort to keep the Union together.

 

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I feel like I'm being 'leak prepped'
davefairtex wrote:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/12/ufo-encounter-new-footage-shows-u-s-navy-pilots-apparent-sighting-alien-craft-near-east-coast/415951002/

Newly declassified video and audio show U.S. Navy pilots apparently encountering a UFO — with no wings and no tail — as they flew their Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet along the East Coast in 2015.

Why do we think the Pentagon is declassifying these videos now?

Discuss!  :)

This feels off to me.  The second one just came out and I now feel like I'm being 'leak prepped' for some larger announcement about UFOs, ETs, etc.

Anybody else feel that way?

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UFOs: It all depends on a priori assumption

What are our starting assumptions about this topic?

  • extra-terrestrial civilizations are virtually certain to exist
  • some will have very high tech, be curious and explore
  • that Earth is and has been visited for a very long time
  • there has been a very organized, conscious and effective effort to disparage and hide this topic.

For each of us:  What is our starting point?

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Oooooo!     leak prepped.  Good description, Chris.

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UFO Leak prep

That was exactly my reaction too. When these stories actually made it to the front page of the NY Times I thought "Why in the world are they publishing this? Are they trying to gradually get us ready for something?"

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Maybe Aliens are trying to

Maybe Aliens are trying to send us a message thinking we're serious about invading Mars and screwing that place up as well. smiley

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Leak Prepped

Oh that's an easy one!

The "Boogymen", you know really bad guys are more elusive these days and not always as scary or in your face as TPTB would like them to be.

Enter the new, scary, high-tech, "Ellie" (extinction level type event) such as an extra-terrestrial invasion.  All nations would have to pull together, of course under a one-world leadership, in order to survive.

Remember - to change the world, country, society etc.....

  • Demoralize
  • Destabilize
  • Create A Crisis (implement new, procedures, laws, changes, etc) (think 911)
  • Then Re- Normalize (mission accomplished the sheep are in a new pen and chipped to boot)

Guess watching Independence Day II, is still lingering in my mind.  Didn't Bush Senior talk about the benefit of an off-world threat being a catalyst to uniting the world?  

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Perhaps

I haven't had a hankering to build a giant mound of dirt in my yard (yet) that would be a welcoming landing site.  Anyway, didn't they already tell us to leave the moon?

And then there is this:

It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.  ― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

Live long and prosper, and stay thirsty, mis amigos.

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finite to exist...the infinite must exist as a reference...Sartre,Jean-Paul

get your mare settled and learn to live within YOUR limits,,,,the rest will follow or....not...so

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Pipyman wrote:Caution is
Pipyman wrote:

Caution is very warranted in this area. JHC frustrates me in this area too, but the “conspiracy under every stone” crowd frustrates me even more. This is one of the reasons I respect Chris so much; he walks the line very well. But, still, I note an unwillingness to give his opinion on certain topics, vaccinations being a notable example? That’s not judgement, far from it, I wouldn’t have the audacity. The point I’m trying to make is that we all draw our lines, I’m not a fan of JHC’s location, but I respect his perspective a great deal. Navigating this mess is a massive challenge for all. And a painful one! Loosely related and excellent article.....

https://www.ecosophia.net/a-rhetorical-education/

And mass shooting hoaxes / gov't ops?

I've mentioned it a few times here, that Youtube has been on a spree deleting thousands of videos that expose the various mass shootings as hoaxes. Some of these videos are so blatant that it would be impossible for any sane person to deny that a given shooting was a complete hoax. Instead, now when you do a search for "shooting xyz fake hoax," all you get is videos on how the conspiracy theorists are bullying the victims. This has happened over the last several weeks. I saved some of the best ones and could maybe re-upload if anyone is interested, but that would be promptly deleted and may flag my user, as if it already isn't flagged since the NSA knows everything I type...

Here is a perfect example that got deleted a couple weeks ago, on the pathetically executed Orlando "shooting".

If you open it in a new tab it has been replaced with a screen saying that it violated Youtube's policy on bullying and harassment. I assure you that it engaged in nothing remotely close to bullying and harassment.

Note: I'm not going so far as suggesting that no one ever dies in these incidents. From what I have seen of Las Vegas, people did actually die, but I would suggest that the "government:, "Deep State", whatever you want to call it, organized it.

These false flags are clear evidence that there is an active and oppressive regime controlling and fabricating "news" and narratives they want people to believe. And they are doing this for a purpose, not just for fun. It has an endgame plan, folks, and it ain't good.

I'm guessing this site won't go down that rabbit hole for fear of being ostracized and labeled terrorists or something. Sure, I can understand that.

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Could aliens be the "new

Could aliens be the "new Russia" for the deep state to declare as an existential threat that requires trillions of dollars of military expense to protect us?

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JohnH123 wrote:Could aliens
JohnH123 wrote:

Could aliens be the "new Russia" for the deep state to declare as an existential threat that requires trillions of dollars of military expense to protect us?

I'd be very interested to see the evidence they'd come up with to make us believe in extraterrestrial aliens attacking. When radio first came out they had that Martian attacking scare that people thought was real, but was just fiction. Now they have CGI.

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That was Ronald Reagan

Hi AKGranny

Ronald Reagan made a couple of mentions of "an alien threat to bring the world together."  Two clips here combined in this brief youtube video here:

Steven Greer and Linda Molton Howe have been talking about a false flag scenario for quite a few years.

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prepped for what?

I think it might be about energy.

* the spacecraft certainly do not use gasoline as a power source

* a power source sufficient to propel spacecraft across interstellar distances probably easily addresses the earthly fossil fuel problem.

* given how long they've been around, the US government has probably already reverse-engineered the technology used to power these craft

* for some reason - hegemony management, you can make a big bomb out of it too easily, or very cheap space travel for everyone could easily result in an extinction level event (just one mistake - or crazy person with an asteroid - and we suffer the same fate as the dinosaurs) - said power source has not been made available to the rest of the world.

Now let's imagine that the coming fossil fuels shortage is driving a change of heart by the government.  Slow disclosure is the plan.

I guess that's equivalent to being leak-prepped.  Going from heaping ridicule on UFO believers, to an "oh by the way the Air Force has these videos" is an inspired-by-Orwell's-1984 type of pivot.

Implications?

The US Navy, Air Force, and Space Command - a massive, sunk capital investment in a planetary control machine - becomes instantly obsolete.  Suicide/drones made with this tech, in the hands of (say) ISIS, would be utterly lethal.  OPEC would also vanish.  Command of the sea lanes - irrelevant.  Anyone with a grudge and a fair amount of money could cause a great deal of trouble.

You thought assault rifles were a problem?  Now imagine cranky teens operating spacecraft.  Imagine if the tech was actually pretty simple - if anyone with $100,000 could buy one.  What would society look like?  Instead of shooting up the school with Dad's AR-15, instead you take Dad's spacecraft and fly it into the school at 3000 mph.

Maybe bigger change is coming than we realize.

That's the benign view.  The other view is that we're being prepped for the Big Alien False Flag Attack.  Operation Northwoods Set In Space!  If that were the case, though, I would have expected the videos to be released with a bit more of an alarming context around them.  What we've seen so far is almost absurdly neutral, even ho-hum.

As a wildcard, what if our friendly Alien visitors have informed our leaders that if the plague of mankind leaves the earth in large numbers, given how crazy we have proven to be, they'd have no choice but to drop an asteroid on our heads to nip this plague in the bud.  To mix a metaphor.

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Rational Media

I find it truly disheartening that I frequently switch to Sputnik to get meaningful news.  

US News sources seem to be entirely about infighting, finger pointing and name calling, not to mention endlessly dredging up 20+ year old misbehavior and reporting it as if it’s the most important going on in the nation.

Call me insensitive, but I really no longer care who patted who’s behind, in Hollywood 20 years ago.

To my mind, there are much more important things going on today that need airtime.

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It is not only in America ....

Here is the "front page" of the on line edition of last weekends  Sunday Times (part of Rupert Murdoch's empire) in the UK.

Articles linked to Russia in red, North Korea in fuschia.

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I'm waiting for this to be replayed for real on the MSM news

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They're Real, But Not From Space

In the context of this discussion it would be strange for anything to be "really out there", but it can't be helped.  The truth is far more disturbing than an alien invasion.  Most people will not see it - just as predicted.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+24&version=NIV

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The problem with flying aliens

is that the last thing they want

is to be taken to our leaders  :)

 

 

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My aliens are friendly

Don't know about you, but my aliens haven't raised my taxes, didn't care if I smoked pot, aren't sharing my info with foreign  governments(that I'm aware of) and aren't bombing foreign countries. Seems like a distraction or justification for our underfunded military. 

Propaganda done by those with an agenda often have very deep pockets. Their plans are long term and often are measured in decades and not weeks or  months. 

How often do we (those with the peak prosperity mindset) fund think tanks to promote policies in DC or state and local governments?  What organizations do we fund for long term goals for policies that think and care about average citizens and prepare for "the economy of less". I don't like being a "Debbie Downer" but when I examine past economic downtrends, what I see is continued organized abuse by our bureaucracy.

I believe our best and first response to the dilemma is to expose it  and not  hide or ignore it.  When Austria surrendered early in WW1, they were subject unbelievable oppression by the state.  Here is a little snippet of what they faced, an organized government that looked out for themselves first.  

https://archive.org/details/Blockade-TheDiaryOfAnAustrianMiddle-classWom...

Here is another video on how to promote the military, 

The other thought that I have is how do we organize to protect us from the state? What has worked in the past and what is working in situations around the world that are happening right now?  

 

 

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That which cannot be named

I just had a chance to read the transcript of Chris' interview with JHK and very much appreciated both of their insights.  I have always loved JHKs style and his perceptive reading of social trends including the Russian collusion thing. 

But I also now understand what borderpatrol might have been referring too in his post above.

There is a limit to the depth of insight when a topic which cannot be spoken of  is approached.

1.  Who is this group that so wants a war with Russia?

2.  What happened at the NYT where our brilliant liberal analysts and opinion leaders have become suddenly and mysteriously unable to think?

Jim Kunstler: I think what is really going on, what's sort of behind the insanity of this, is the very strange and mysterious collapse of the intellectual class in America. Now, you’ve got a class of people in the media and academia, highly educated people, the permanent bureaucracy in the government who now believe in crazy things and are proposing dangerous things and seem to have just completely lost it. It does demonstrate something about the madness of crowds. Some things, in a way, are beyond the rational reach of analysis. You know, you're just in kind of unchartered territory of group herd emotion whether it's wildebeests or lemmings or people on the upper east side of Manhattan setting their hair on fire.

I think the real question you have to ask is what happens to a society when the thinking class can't think anymore? .... 

What kind of strange condition might make the intellectual class in America become unable to think clearly?  A prion disease?  Mad Cow?  Fluoride?  Lead?

3.  And then:

The New York Times did another amazing thing about ten days ago. They published a lead editorial by David Leonard, and the headline of the editorial was an interrogatory which went as follows: Still Don’t Believe in Russian Meddling? Okay. Now, the curious thing was this was the only editorial on the op-ed page that day that didn't have a comment section. Okay. So they pose the interrogatory, and then they really don’t want to hear any answers about it.

Could that be deliberate?  Is this a Psy-Op?

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Dropping back to the philosophical level for a moment.

Upton Sinclair gave us the gem:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding."

Lawrence Kohlberg gave us the insight that our moral values are arranged in hierarchies.  Sinclair is pointing out that earning a paycheck will sometimes be a higher moral imperative than understanding a topic.  

Similarly, I would be willing to lie, cheat and steal in order to defend my family--i.e. the defense of family is a higher moral imperative than honesty and respecting property rights.  I am not being immoral, just prioritizing protection of "my people" higher than other values.  And I might do this unconsciously.

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I think a good reason to filter is when someone 1) has a seductive message, and, 2) have been shown to be wrong on prior predictions.

JK's "Long Emergency" was peened back in 2005. But long-time readers of JK know his Malthusian approach goes back longer that that. I confess I find his writing fascinating. But if one had read him back in the day and invested accordingly? He hasn't done well at all...because, er, he's been wildly wrong. So it's merely prudence to judge a man by results, and shrink the tent accordingly.

For the record, I enjoy reading JK; one hell of a writer and probing social critic. But as an investor, student of population demographics, or a practical man of the world as it is today? He ain't. I adjust my tent accordingly...

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The military pulls the UFO

The military pulls the UFO threat off the shelf when their budgets are at risk. My own sense, based on personal experience and the experience of those close to me is this...the beings with the most impact in our world do it through persuasion and influence and their methods are stealthy.

 

 They are masters in the mental realm --- with advanced understanding of hypnotic suggestion. And beyond that they may be able to  immerse themselves mentally in our own collective unconscious--and from a distance.  They may have technologies that influence our thinking through manipulating the collective unconscious.  

An actual invasion though?  Doubtful.  That would be messy and not at all subtle.  Why invade when you can accomplish your goals through infection? Is the technocratic globalism that wears down our humanity part of a larger programme? Are some of these life forms silicon based and are they trying to extend their reach?

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Sand Puppy, Most psy-ops use

Sand Puppy,

Most psy-ops use the raw material of an individual or group's natural bent to work their magic. The controllers take sentiments already there and guide them a certain way.  

Identity politics has likely been fashioned the same way and to my mind, has become so ridiculous a backlash is gauranteed.  I agree with what Jordan Peterson and Kunstler have to say about it but think that there is a control system at work here too.

In the case of identity politics I suspect military intelligence that helped usher Trump in to power could be assisting.  

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I've always been concerned on how Aliens are. . .

portrayed in the MSM:

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I think the real question you have to ask is what happens to a society when the thinking class can't think anymore? ...

 

Just perhaps, it was the “thinking” class that got us into this predicament.  Ah, like those economists with advanced degrees.  And all those highly educated folks that are CEO’s of large corporations that are more interested in profit than people, the environment or society, and the brainiacs at the Fed.  The problem isn’t that the thinking class isn’t thinking it’s that morality, honor and integrity have been replaced with the persuit if profit.  Geez there must be a virus that’s turning people into Ferengi’s.

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Yep. Even Ferengi have limits...

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Dark Matter and Dark Energy Make Up 95% of the Universe?
Pipyman wrote:

JHC frustrates me in this area too, but the “conspiracy under every stone” crowd frustrates me even more.

Just like with conspiracy theories, it's quite annoying that dark matter and dark energy have to be postulated to explain the universe.  But, the need for dark matter and dark energy to make up 95% of the universe in order to make our theroies match what we see through telescopes is profoundly annoying... like conspiracies under every stone.

It leaves you wondering how far you have progressed from the belief that the Earth is flat and at the center of the universe.

Perhaps it really is "turtles all the way down."

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Ditch MSM, Try Jimmy Dore

MSM has been co-opted by corporations and the ruling elite.  Jimmy Dore is a great source of info and will truly enlighten you.

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Excellent

Metaphor and largely highlights the slow death of trust in our “system” and the disparity between what we see, feel and “know” to be the case and what is presented to us as reality and normality on a daily basis.

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Conspiracies? You Bet!

Pippyman wrote - JHC frustrates me in this area too, but the “conspiracy under every stone” crowd frustrates me even more.

Not me, conspiracies are so very much more interesting!  And really, since the dawn of man the rich and powerful have conspired to keep, even increase their wealth and power.  That’s not a theory that’s a fact.  Just step on over to literature, history or Hollywood and visit a plethora of material that supports my assertion.  Asking questions and investigating everything is the only way to learn and to know what’s going on. Believe no one and verify everything.  The world we know doesn’t always exist except in our minds.

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Howd the short work out

JHC shorted mkt early last year, so he said in PP intvw at the time.

howd that work? Jes ribbin. #metoo for doom & gloom money losers. I even lost my job! Nobody wanted to even think about long run returns. Skinner pigeons hitting pellets that fell from QE infinity — cfa, mba, frm, phd, Qed, all pimping the money pump.  But i was the loser because i tried to think clearly in the manner of an erudite fellow and historian of crowd psychology. Silly me. Now Im half dead and unemployed. 

JHK is rite on lotta things cultural, but god forbid you put money down on it. Dont even! Just dont. 

Funny ufo thread. Its stranger than you can suppose — unless you really know what leprachauns are.

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conspiracy

I happened across this "new to me" conspiracy on You Tube today. Your thoughts? Mary Maxwell The Tsarnaev Trial.

youtube.com/watch?v=9LXCFp42ERs

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Jim Kunstler Nails it...again.

This piece was so completely in line with my thinking that it was difficult to find a snippet to use:

Drums Along the Potomac

The amateur psychologist in me suspects that the more the USA heaps Russia with censorious opprobrium and punishments, the closer this floundering polity actually is to completely losing its shit. Friday morning’s front-page headline in The New York Times appears to have been written by Pee Wee Herman:

 

I can just hear Vlad Putin blowing a raspberry out of the Kremlin: “Nyah, nyah, nyah… I know you are, but what am I…?” We’re also informed today by that august journal that U.S. Accuses Russia in Cyberattacks on Power Plants. (Oh, wait a second, they changed the headline at 8:02 to Russia Wormed Its Way Into Access at Power Plants, U.S. Says.) Hmmmm… well, the amateur detective in me suspects that A) this is exactly the kind of bullshit that US intel excels at making up; plus B) the public was actually told last year that our intel has the ability to place any kind of cyber-footprint and time-stamp it wants on digital information, so that C) this assertion can be neither proved nor disproved.

The amateur international relations analyst in me sees in these shenanigans a desperate search for a casus belli, an excuse to go to war. But that only brings me back to amateur psychology: the US apparently wants to commit suicide. Wouldn’t war be a great idea a week after Russia announced it had new hypersonic missiles that the US can’t defend itself against?  Hmmmm. Maybe the Russians made that shit up. And maybe they didn’t. Perhaps we’d like to test that, say, by bombing a bunch of Russian military personnel in Syria, just to see what happens.

There is also the matter of the poisoning in Salisbury, UK, of the Russian Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia with a suspected nerve toxin, Novichok, first developed by the old Soviet military. The two remain in critical condition. A nasty bit of business. Skripal was a Russian-to-British double agent who was exchanged some years back in one of the infrequent swaps of captured intel “assets” by the so-called great powers. British Prime Minister Theresa May had a whack attack over the Skripal hit, reeling out new sanctions and booting a boat-load of Russian diplomats off-island.

Forgive me for seeming callous, but it’s a little hard, in the first place, to give a fuck one way or the other about the poor Skripals. Being a double agent carries some serious occupational hazards. This is generally understood among observers older than age six. Mr. Skripal came to an unhappy fate, and his daughter is apparently what we like to call collateral damage — of the sort, say, when one of our drones in a foreign land blows up a wedding party by some targeting error. Whoops! Our bad. One lesson here is that people with ambitions in the intel sector should consider sticking with one side or the other.

Interestingly, and secondarily, the accusation itself is unaccompanied by evidence. The Brits will not release samples of this Novichok for analysis. But are we also to believe that the Brits (or one of their close allies, say) could not concoct a bit of this poison themselves in a lab? After all, when you’re in the world of double-agentry, you’re in a hall of mirrors, and who, really, is to be trusted? Least of all in a matter such as this, would you start banging war drums.

Well, that was practically the whole piece.  I highly recommend staying current with Jim's writing as we march towards war...

Ugh.

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War with Russia come from the Jewish Elite

Violating multiple social rules of what is appropriate to discuss in public, I will speak of the unspeakable and, unfortunately, be regarded as “inappropriate” and possibly distressing by some for several different reasons.  Sigh.  And when I speak of the Jewish Elite, I am not referring to my Jewish friends, family and co-workers who do not share these values or intentions or even know that this is all happening.

Several lines of reading point to the thesis that

Today’s lust for war with Russia has its origins in Jewish history and is being waged primarily by the Western Jewish elite.

 

Sources: 

Slezkine’s “The Jewish Century”

Kevin MacDonalds review of Slezkine’s book

Guyenot’s books “From Yaywah to Zion,” “50 Years of the Deep State”

Alexander Solzhenitsyn, novelist

Stephen F. Cohen, Professor of Russian History, many posts at “The Nation”

 

The Jewish elite and Russia have a long dark history

From Guyenot:

…. On April 16, 1917, to get Russia out of WWI, the Germans sent back home thirty-two exiled Bolsheviks including Lenin, soon joined by two hundred Mensheviks, and financed their propaganda organ, Pravda, in exchange for their promise to withdraw [Russia] from the war if they successfully seized power. A year later, they signed with Leon Trotsky (Bronstein by his real name) the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, which ended the Eastern Front of WWI.

Thus, while the English were bringing America into war by supporting a Jewish movement (Zionism), the Germans managed to get Russia out of the war by supporting another Jewish movement (Bolshevism). Robert Wilton, the Times correspondent in Russia until 1920, writes in The Last Days of the Romanovs: “The Germans knew what they were doing when they sent Lenin’s pack of Jews into Russia. They chose them as agents of destruction. Why? Because the Jews were not Russians and to them the destruction of Russia was all in the way of business, revolutionary or financial. The whole record of Bolshevism in Russia is indelibly impressed with the stamp of alien invasion.” The Bolshevik regime was predominantly Jewish from its inception.

The Central Committee of the USSR, which exercised supreme power, consisted of nine Jews and three Russians (Lenin was counted among the Russians, although his maternal grandfather, born Srul [Israel], was Jewish).

Among the names of 556 high officials of the Bolshevik state (officially published in 1918– 1919), 458 of the 556 were identifiable as Jews, according to Robert Wilton.  Guyénot, (KL 3799).

 

And from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), Russian Nobel-Prize-winning novelist.

"You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."

Guyenot offers some historical backstory.  

Russia and the Jews

Before analyzing the impact of Zionism and communism in Europe during what Yuri Slezkine calls “The Jewish Century,” we need to look back at the history of the Jews of Eastern Europe. From the sixteenth to twentieth centuries, the Jewish community in Poland was the largest in the world. Its origin remains difficult to explain, but immigration from the Rhine countries at the end of the Middle Ages is the most plausible hypothesis. In the seventeenth century, Poland was governed by an oligarchy that concentrated all the wealth in its hands, and relied on the Jews for the exploitation of the peasants. Totally unassimilated, speaking Yiddish and hardly any Polish, … Jews were also important players in the national economy. They were the landowners' (KL 3896) administrators and tax collectors. As legal middlemen in the grain trade, they manipulated prices at will.

Their complicity in the oppression of the peasant masses by the nobility inevitably generated resentments that were expressed in explosions of violence. When the Cossacks led by Bogdan Chmielnicki revolted against the Polish nobles in 1648, the Jews were the first to be massacred. 274 After the annexation of part of Poland by Russia between 1772 and 1795, these Ashkenazi Jews lived mainly in Russia, [restricted to a region called the] “Pale of Settlement.”

At the beginning of the nineteenth century, most Jews still spoke neither Polish nor Russian.

Tsar Alexander II (1855– 1881), who emancipated the serfs in 1861, also abolished most of the restrictions imposed on the Jews and facilitated their access to Russian education. Between 1876 and 1883, the proportion of Jews in the universities increased considerably. Emancipated an educated, many young Jewish intellectuals became revolutionaries.

The revolutionaries included all of the underclass, but the Jews took the lead.

Winston Churchill wrote in a famous article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald published February 8, 1920:

 

“There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others.”

 

On the other side, the official gazette of Hungarian Jewry Egyenlöség (Equality) proclaimed:

“Jewish intellect and knowledge, Jewish courage and love of peace saved Russia and perhaps the whole world. Never has world historical mission of Jewry shone so brightly as in Russia.”

The September 10, 1920 edition of The American Hebrew magazine pompously bragged:

“The Bolshevik Revolution eliminated the most brutal dictatorship in history. This great achievement, destined to figure in history as one of the overshadowing results of the World War, was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct.” 282 Jewish financing” should be added to the list, for the Bolshevik Revolution was largely financed by Wall Street bankers such as Jacob Schiff, who gloated: “The Russian revolution is possibly the most important event in Jewish history since the race was brought out of slavery.” 283  (KL 3923)

Despite the many Russian pseudonyms adopted by the officers of the Bolshevik system, Russians were well aware that they had been conquered by a foreign people. A 1926 Agitprop report to the Central Committee secretariat expresses concern about a wave of anti-Semitism resulting from
 “the sense that the Soviet regime patronizes the Jews, that it is ‘the Jewish government,’ that the Jews cause unemployment, housing shortages, college admissions problems, price rises, and commercial speculation— this sense is instilled in the workers by all the hostile elements.”  (KL 3946) 

Stalin's Secret Police were predominantly Jewish.  When you read about Stalin's genocides rarely mentioned is the aspect that they were actually carried out by his Jewish secret police force.

“the Soviet secret police— the regime’s sacred center, known after 1934 as the NKVD— was one of the most Jewish of all Soviet institutions. […] Out of twenty NKVD directorates, twelve (60 percent, including State Security, Police, Labor Camps, and Resettlement [deportation]) were headed by officers who identified themselves as ethnic Jews. The most exclusive and sensitive of all NKVD agencies, the Main Directorate for State Security, consisted of ten departments: seven of the ten […] were run by immigrants from the former Pale of Settlement.” [i.e.—were Jewish].

Robert Wilton, a Moscow correspondent for the London Times for seventeen years, provided precise indications as to the proportion of Jews among Bolshevik apparatchiks as early as 1920.

The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party, which exercised supreme power, included 9 Jews and 3 Russians. (Lenin was counted among the Russians, although his maternal grandfather, born Srul [Israel], was Jewish).

All the Central Committees of the parties represented included 41 identifiable Jews out of 61 members.

The Council of People’s Commissars comprised 17 Jews out of 22 members.

Among the high officials of the Bolshevik State [whose names were] officially published in 1918– 1919, 458 of the 556 were identifiable as Jews.

One of the first measures taken by the Bolsheviks after seizing power was a law criminalizing anti-Semitism  [sound familiar!!!!].

It is often forgotten that in 1933, when Hitler came to power, the Soviets had just committed genocidal massacres followed by organized famine in Ukraine, at the gates of Germany, killing nearly eight million people, or one-third of the population of the Ukraine.  This crime against humanity, carried out by a predominantly Jewish NKVD, would never be mentioned in the Nuremberg trials, and still today is hardly ever discussed.   In fact, the Jewish connection is actively suppressed.

When in 2009, Ukraine opened a tribunal to prosecute the crime of the Holodomor, [https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor ], Aleksandr Feldman, the chairman of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, forced the cancellation of the proceedings on the pretext that it would constitute an incitement to hatred, since the names of almost all the Soviet officers charged were Jewish.  291 (KL 3987)

The Russian Jews of the NKVD were, in Slezkine`s words, “Stalin’s willing executioners.”

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Privatization of the USSR state properties under Yeltsin the 1990s: Another triumph of the Jewish elite.

Space and time limit the breadth of this topics review.   But another powerful connection between Russia and the western Jewish Elite occurred with the privatization of the Russian state property under Yeltsin in the 1990s.  Yeltsin's Jewish Privatization Minister, Anatoly Chubais, brought in a number of the Jewish elite as consultants from Goldman Sachs to design the scheme: Jeffrey Sachs, Lawrence Summers and Peter Orszag.

As the State assets were sold off, Jewish Russians who could obtain financing from international Jewish financiers, were able to purchase a high percentage of the state assets.  The result was that six of the seven resulting “Russian oligarchs” were Jewish.

 

Six of the seven oligarchs who emerged in control of the Soviet economy and media in the period of de-nationalization of the 1990s were Jews.

 

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What I don't understand is,

What I don't understand is, if both Russia and the West are controlled by Jewish elites, then why all this antagonism towards Putin with the threat of war? Is it pure theatrics? And why would Russia be buying all this gold? If it's all controlled by the same elites then the gold could be sent wherever it is needed and the west wouldn't have a gold shortage.

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Hatred of Russia

The hatred of Russia/ War with Russia issue, in my view, stems from the fact that Russia is selling energy outside of the US dollar, and they frustrated the regime change efforts in Syria, which are all about pipelines that are again clearly linked to US dollar hegemony

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Hatred of Russia

The hatred of Russia/ War with Russia issue, in my view, stems from the fact that Russia is selling energy outside of the US dollar, and they frustrated the regime change efforts in Syria, which are all about pipelines that are again clearly linked to US dollar hegemony

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True Facts Don't Add-up To The Truth

That's what they say about the Han in China.

Too bad Mr K is still so color blind in his historical perspective on Amercian economics and it's discontents. "Political correctness" no less. Biology has may answers, as does math. But Novels are easier.

"...The last word on networks and hierarchies may belong to a figure not usually remembered for his intellectual acumen. Toward the end of his life, it has been reported, Stanley Baldwin (1867-1947)--former Conservative British prome minister, astute political operator, and pig breeder--was asked whether he had been influenced by any thinker or book. After a long pause, he replied,"Sir Henry Maine." In his once-celebrated book Ancient Law (1861), Baldwin continued, the eminent Victorian jurist showed that history was a process of progressive development in which societes governed by status were gradually replaced by ones based on contract. Then Baldwin paused again, seemingly puzzled, and asked: "Or was it the other way around?" --John Gray reviewing "The Square and the Tower"; Niell Ferguson in the NYRB

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