Podcast

Standing Rock Protest is Powerful

Mark Morey on the Social Revolution Taking Place
Sunday, September 25, 2016, 1:40 PM

Largely out of the headlines, the ongoing protest on Standing Rock is shining a bright light on how the big-moneyed interests with political clout steamroll the disadvantaged in order to get what they need.

But in a rare David-vs-Goliath standoff, the Sioux tribespeople of Standing Rock Reservation are learning that they are not powerless. Their refusal to roll over and allow an oil pipleline to be built on their lands is growing into one of the largest resistance movements in recent years, drawing supporters from all over the country, and forcing the discussion of "Where do we draw the line?" in regards to our pursuit of depleting natural resources.

Activist Mark Morey joins the podcast this week to provide context on this unfolding conflict:

I think we are in an era of self-organizing emergent social revolutions. I do not know what to call them. Even the Bernie Sanders campaign had qualities that unexpectedly, hundreds, thousands, and tens of thousands, 50,000 people coming together for a candidate during a Democratic primary was just unheard of. Crashing all records.

This is another one of those in my mind. This particular one was started by teenagers and youth, believe it or not. When you do the research they stood up and they were the first ones to put their campsite down in that very location in Cannonball because they had this very deep and real sense of their future being threatened. I saw one of the teenagers, they went all the way to D.C. to speak with Bernie Sanders. Bill McKibben was there yesterday or the day before.

So there she is. She's 16 years old and she says, I grew up on a reservation in the middle of this great place where my ancestors had been living here forever. There's a kind of authority that comes from that lineage. They say clean water is our heritage and our right, and what we're standing for the way we do things. She starts to cry thinking the oil corporations don't care about her tribe's children. The pipeline was going to run north of Bismarck, North Dakota, up there in the watershed, but they deemed it too dangerous for those residents so they ran it down by the reservation

That's the pattern. Social justice and environmental damage are often correlated because they are at the margins and there's no media there. You can ship uranium to the Navajo or whatever. What's unusual is, standing up against literally the machine, the bulldozer, or standing up against the billion dollar oil energy companies. And these are the poorest people in our country. They are third-world poverty, 70% poverty people with their causes of death being things like alcoholism, and suicide, and diabetes -- the kinds of things we see as the leading cause of death from depression and oppression. To see them stand up I think ultimately it has this mythic quality to it. The ultimate weakest, smallest, poorest person with the greatest spirit and most righteous stance: that you cannot drink oil. Once this thing gets routed, the 16 million people living downstream will all be affected.

It magnetized not just individuals to come help them, but all of the tribes in the U.S. sent representatives there. There are over 250 representative tribes there, which has never happened before in the history of the U.S. They're putting up flags -- there's this long corridor of nations, sovereign nations, native peoples’ flags. There's this incredible sense of an indigenous resurrection and power to the message they have for the modern world. Of course it's in the context of climate change, all the stuff that is coming out around the end of nature as we know it. Perhaps these people have something to offer us. Also, non-native people are going there and offering resources and help around the country. There is something like 7,000 people camping there now. 

Click the play button below to listen to Chris' interview with Mark Morey (41m:55s).

Transcript: 

Chris Martenson: Welcome to this Peak Prosperity podcast. I am your host, Chris Martenson, and it is September 15, 2016 -- my birthday. So, it does have that going for it. That is really irrelevant. Listen, if we scan the world’s predicaments with equal measures of dread and hope, people often ask me, why aren't people doing something? Meaning usually, why aren't people standing up and saying no? Why isn't anybody protesting? The sad truth is that often people are, and you are just not hearing about it.

When the Iraq war protests erupted the largest anti-war protest in world history happened with over a million U.S. people showed up at the largest peacetime protest in its history. The New York Times saw fit to print the news on page A16, a little tiny column, saying only that, quote, “Tens of thousands of anti-war protesters marched in several demonstrations around the country today.” End quote. Really? Tens of thousands, huh. Of course the New York Times had deep conflicts of interest and promoted that war every step of the way including publishing falsified intelligence from unnamed U.S. officials. When the Occupy Wall Street protest came along, they were ignored and then denigrated by the mainstream press. So, if you have the impression that people are not protesting, not standing up, not finally saying no more, it may be because it simply has not been reported on.

Today, there is another protest going on that has become a movement and I want to be sure you know about it. Back in April of 2016 a few Standing Rock tribal members set up a camp in a small valley next to the Cannonball River protesting the so-called Dakota Access Pipeline designed to carry oil 1,200 miles from the Bakken oil fields, which we report on all the time to a distribution center in Illinois. That protest caught fire and that camp by the river is now larger than most small towns in North Dakota. Something big is happening, and it is much bigger than a protest to block something. It is about finally standing for something that needed to be done. It is about standing for something.

To discuss this with us today is a really good friend of mine, Mark Morey. Mark is a creative artist, a visionary educator, cultural engineer, and consultant who designs regenerative, holistic communities with timeless native principles. Really, it is very hard to capture the brilliant and cutting-edge work that is Mark’s mission in the world. Let us let that unfold a little bit for you in this podcast. Welcome, Mark.

Mark Morey: Thanks, Chris. Happy birthday.

Chris Martenson: Thanks. Listen, I really did not know how to introduce you properly, because your work in the world, it is so deep and complex. In your own words, who are you and what do you do?

Mark Morey: Well, I think artist has been something that I have worked with for a while because at some point I went off trail from the normal path of growing up in the 70s, and going to college and getting a job, and that whole career path. Certain things along the way, I think, disrupted that dream and maybe one of them was growing up in the nuclear age and the nuclear escalation between the U.S.S.R. and the United States was something that created a hypervigilance for me that right around the age of 13, 14 years old I realized, wow. We could be totally annihilated here as part of my childhood and other things after that.

Essentially, I basically wanted to work with my life and say, what could I do to make the biggest difference for the most amount of people that would last the longest amount of time? That’s been a driving set of questions that have led me to the term regenerative, for example. How can I leave it better than I found it? It has driven me to look at the core principles of what it means to be a human being, and look at the context of our history and step out of the bubble of thinking this is status quo, and just seeing some of the major trends that have happened. Although I grew up in the suburbs and watched the construction of entire neighborhoods in places I used to play. Then I could only use sidewalks that led to the mall after that.

I realized that human beings for most of humanity were deeply connected to the natural world with direct relationships to their sustenance and their wellbeing. As we have drifted from that there has been a big pattern of losing our relationship with the very thing that sustains us. For me, on a very systemic level, if we are going to create a more habitable world for future generations, that is at the core, is returning our culture, and our children, and our processes returning to a deep relationship with nature. It is a fundamental part of being human.

Chris Martenson: Great description, and it starts to speak to what I alluded to which is about the Standing Rock protest being for something. Let us turn to that now, because we could have a really deep conversation about everything you just mentioned and I hope we do, but for now, help paint the picture of the Standing Rock movement. How did it get started and what is going on there now?

Mark Morey: Like everything, you can just say, let us look at the triggers and the incidents of this very moment. It is also at the same time, we should look at how we got here. Flashpoints for large events are hard to track, sometimes. How did Occupy Wall Street and all the other protests that came out of that happen? Another one would be, Idle No More which came out of Canada. An individual who decided to stand and say, as a native person we exist and we have been marginalized for so long. We are not going to take it anymore. Then also Black Lives Matter. Another one that all of a sudden it is like the trend has been going on for a long time. It is not like there were not bad things happening 50 years ago or 100 years ago, but there are these flashpoints happening.

I think we are in an era of self-organizing emergent social revolutions. I do not know what to call them. Even the Bernie Sanders campaign had qualities that unexpectedly, hundreds, thousands, and tens of thousands, 50,000 people coming together for a candidate during a Democratic primary was just unheard of. Crashing all records.

This is another one of those, in my mind. This particular one was started by teenagers and youth, believe it or not. When you do the research, they stood up and they were the first ones to put their campsite down in that very location in Cannonball, because they had this very deep and real sense of their future being threatened. I saw one of the teenagers; they went all the way to D.C. to speak with Bernie Sanders and whoever else was there. Bill McKibben yesterday or the day before.

There she is. She is 16 years old and she says, “I grew up on a reservation in the middle of this great place where my ancestors had been living here forever.” There is a kind of authority that comes from that lineage. They say clean water is our heritage and our right and what we are standing for forever and the way we do things. She starts to cry, thinking the oil corporations do not care about my children. The pipeline was going to run north of Bismarck, North Dakota, up there in the watershed but they deemed it too dangerous for those residents, so they ran it down by the reservation.

Chris Martenson: Too dangerous for the people of Bismarck, but not too dangerous for the people who lived out a little further south, who happened to be Native Americans.

Mark Morey: Exactly. That is the pattern. Social justice and environmental damage are often correlated because they are at the margins and there is no media there. You can ship uranium to the Navajo or whatever is going on. What’s unusual is, standing up against literally the machine, the bulldozer, or standing up against the billion dollar oil energy companies, and they are the poorest people in our country. They are third-world poverty, 70% poverty people with their causes of death being things like alcoholism, and suicide, and diabetes. Not the kinds of things we see as the leading cause of death, from depression and oppression. To see them stand up I think ultimately it has this mythic quality to it. The ultimate weakest, smallest, poorest person with the greatest spirit and most righteous stance, that you cannot drink oil. Once this thing is routed 16 million people downstream are affected.

It just magnetized not only people to come help them, but all of these tribes in the U.S. sent representatives there. There is over 250 representative tribes there, which has never happened before in the history of the U.S. They are putting up flags of their nations, and there is this long corridor of nations, sovereign nations, native peoples’ flags. When they come in there is this incredible sense of an indigenous resurrection and power to the message they have for the modern world. Of course it is in the context of climate change. All the stuff that is coming out around the end of nature as we know it. Perhaps the Anthropocene and the end of how we understand our world because we so affected it. Perhaps these people have something to offer us. Also, non-native people are going there and offering resources and help around the country. There is something like 7,000 people camping there now.

Chris Martenson: That’s amazing and I am noting here that it is a really complex history. You have touched on part of it which says, we tend to route environmentally hazardous things near the people who can put up the least amount of fuss. It’s not an illegitimate claim to say we are worried about our water. There was the Kalamazoo pipeline spill which just deeply trashed a whole bunch of the Kalamazoo River when a very tarry substance came boiling out of that pipeline. Pipeline’s burst. It happens all the time. This is a realistic concern. The history here I think is important. The land beneath the pipeline that was accorded to the Sioux people by the Treaty of Fort Laramie in 1868. They have the treaty; 11 years later the U.S. government incited the so-called Great Sioux War, but that renegotiated that new treaty with the Sioux under the threat of starvation.

There is a very long and complex history of treaties being written and broken, written and broken, and every time the white man, to use that term, wanted something; oh, there is gold in the Black Hills. Oh, wait. We like to farm on this land. They would just “renegotiate” the treaties; meaning, break them and write them again. There has got to be a sense there among the people that, whatever the U.S. courts—I know there is a whole court battle around this Dakota access pipeline, but whatever the courts decide is really only as binding as until somebody decides to break it on the other side. There is not a really good history of trust here, is there?

Mark Morey: Right. I think they keep track of these things and I saw the number 560 treaties broken. It is an enormous legal history, when you think about if everything were the same. If native people had the same level of power and representation as the modern world. Everyone would be in jail. The reparations, the entire country would go bankrupt.

Chris Martenson: You have been there, right?

Mark Morey: Of course. Oh, no. Standing Rock?

Chris Martenson: Yeah.

Mark Morey: No. I just booked tickets yesterday to go out there. I have been supporting a network of people that I have been working with for the last 20 years, which I would call nature connection mentors in communities. People who want to raise their children from zero to appreciate and honor the natural world with actual naturalist knowledge of place. The origin of a lot of the nature connection movement; Richard Louv is a big spokesperson. He wrote a book called Last Child in the Woods who is concerned about a lot of modern maladies that children have today are directly related to the fact that they do not go outside anymore. They do not understand that their body is a natural thing and they do not move it, so they have obesity, and there is too much screen time, and all this kind of stuff. That is something to look into.

There is a huge movement out there, who have been sourced by indigenous wisdom and very directly so. People I have known like Gilbert Walking Bull came from South Dakota and spent years, and years, and years mentoring and sharing native knowledge with us, often because he was looking for any kind of allies as banks against the future. We are in a direct lineage of this man who has contributed so much of his life. He is a direct descendant of Sitting Bull on one side and Crazy Horse on the other, and even Red Cloud. There is a lot of grace that these nature connected communities have been supported, and I think there is a natural reciprocity that is emerging right now.

They all want to do something so I have been coordinating van loads of food, and firewood, and teepees, and gas cards. Whatever they need to make it through their experience there, to make it through the winter.

Chris Martenson: How have you been raising funds for them?

Mark Morey: I started a crowdfunding campaign. I researched really quickly; what was the best that had the right framing for it. It was not like Kickstarter. I found one called YouCaring which is a compassionate crowdfunding, like if your neighbor has cancer, or someone’s house gets flooded. I thought if the indigenous people are neighbors who are having a hard time, let us rally and support them. We raised $5,000 in about a week through that. Then I sent money in hand with a friend, a mutual friend named Tim who ended up there to go on a media journey to help tell the story, because it is not being publicized. He with some other friends of mine met people on the ground and said, what do you need, and just went and got it for them. There was really direct contributions of whatever people needed there. Often it was firewood, medical supplies, shoes, warm clothing, mauls and axes, a chainsaw, shelters. Things like that.

Chris Martenson: I want to sort of harp on something that I spoke to in the intro, which is, I am looking right now at the front pages of the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times today here on my screen. Not one article about this. Not one. You just described this as the largest gathering in all of history of sovereign nations of Native Americans coming together. That seems like fairly big news, but it is not on the front page. When I did a Google search using the term, Standing Rock, and I constrained it to the last 24 hours I did not see one article in a major outlet listed on the front page. Huffpost, sure. Grist, Yes Magazine, that sort. No mainstream coverage. Do you know, are there any mainstream outlets there and are they covering this?

Mark Morey: I saw one article on the cover of the New York Times.

Chris Martenson: So far. I did not see it recently, so that must have come out a while ago.

Mark Morey: It was. It was last week. That was impressive. I did not think I would see that. It was very impressive and it was not a terribly biased story, but there have been plenty of biased stories coming out. North Dakota is not a wealthy state, as far as I know, and I think a lot of the political policies follow that economic trouble. As the economy declines so does rights and freedoms. The governor is pulling a couple of moves that are questionable, including negative media slandering. They bring violent dogs to bite and attack. They would call themselves protectors. They are not even actually doing anything violent. Then they put in the media, protestors turn violent, but they are the one that sent these security forces in with these awful attack dogs. It is like a human humanitarian crisis.

Chris Martenson: This is a private firm that got hired in. I think G4S was involved, maybe some others. These are private so-called security firms and these firms have been associated with some really awful stuff around the world that has been done under their name and for pay. They brought in really the topline mercenaries to go up against these people. It is not even like they hired in a few extra off-duty state policemen. They brought in what I consider to be the most hardened mercenary firm we actually have available to us right now.

Mark Morey: Yeah. It is definitely dark. It seems that the mindset is that, we are going to get away with this. We just need to crush this. I think that media actually worked against them, which is one of the benefits of the Internet and technology today; some people feel conflicted about using gas generators at this water protector camp against oil pipelines, or using media when you are a native person. When you consider the complex world we are in, it is the very thing that is bringing attention to a marginalized people. Prior to that, it was whoever controlled the media controlled the story.

When those images came out around the dogs and the pepper spray; you have to picture, these people are standing there with no weapons with their arms in the air saying, we are not going to let you bulldoze this land. This is actually a sacred site, not just water protection here. The mercenary type people with their dogs, which are frothing at the mouth and barking and biting, they just took the mace and went down the line of people and sprayed it in their face. It was just that blatant and they filmed the whole thing and that media went viral. That caused thousands of more people to sign on and send money to the legal campaign. I think they raised over a million dollars at the Standing Stone legal fund crowdfunder. They have financial support to just keep taking this court, keep representing all those broken treaties as well as their current ecological concerns, and as well as their cultural concerns about the destruction going on.

There is so many areas that this legal direction can take place, but I think the biggest part is in establishing a new world view that this is not going away, and that even more so, the voice of the indigenous is actually, in my opinion and belief is; it is the very thing that is going to get us out of the systemic issues that we are in. Not pushing oil, dirty oil even harder after there is 300 oil spills a year from pipelines. Why don't we just stop that given the climate crisis, given the Anthropocene. There is every good reason to do so. We are going to have to fight a little bit more than just discuss. They are saying, we are going to put our bodies on the line. We have nothing left to lose and that is inspiring.

Chris Martenson: Let us talk about that larger movement here, then. Really, you talked about all these nucleation points where things are bubbling up. But basically, if I could put them under an umbrella it is, status quo is not only not just advantageous for us but it is actually harming us. Whether we are looking at that through the Anthropocene lens and what is happening with global climate change. We are looking at the great wealth divide as the Federal Reserve prints more and more money, but it magically only happens to enrich a very, very tiny elite. Whether we are looking at the degree to which the United State police forces have been militarized and have adopted those military tactics to bring home, not to protect and to serve, but to treat people as combatants who need to be neutralized.

I have seen the militarization language go on. There was a policeman who was just fired because he refused to shoot a man who had a gun in his hand who was saying, shoot me; shoot me. He preferred to try and talk him down. His force fired him because he did not neutralize a threat, is how they put it, or eliminate a threat. One of those two. A lot of people are coming together and saying, no, this does not work. They are younger people, increasingly, and I love to hear that this started with some young people.

You work directly with young people. I would like to ask about; I am asking a hopeful question. I want to hear that something is starting and that people are saying, enough. If you cannot help me out, try anyway.

Mark Morey: And the question is?

Chris Martenson: Is this really part of something larger, or is this just another protest that is going to just sort of flare and burn?

Mark Morey: Yeah. I have asked myself that 100 times in the last week. I like to not be swept up by just heated emotions. I like to really consider what is happening. I am 50 now, and I have seen a lot of things in the last 30 years and I think this is a decided turning point when it comes to the intersection between climate change, indigenous wisdom, and activism across the board. Even Bill McKibben, who is part of 350.org, he said, he has written tons and tons of books and been advisors to Presidencies and he is part of huge coalitions. He sits at Bernie Sanders and his campaign that, he said we are no longer in a dialog. I thought we were having an argument. Meaning, a scientific discussion and discourse on policy and where to go and all the data is out since the 90s. Actually, it has been out longer than that, but they hid it. He said, we are actually no longer in a discussion, because it actually takes two people to have an argument. We are actually in a fight, because that is just not going to stop.

He actually redirected his entire movement to basically say, go put your bodies on the line and keep the carbon in the ground. That is where we are at. We have five years. We cannot talk for five years. He redirected tens of thousands of people to actually go stop the Australian port from shipping coal and many other places.

There is an emergent thing happening in more areas than just this one. There are youths right now, there is a group of 17 youth who are suing the Federal government based on negligence that they are not providing a habitable future for them. They are in the Oregon courts right now. I believe they will probably go all the way to the Federal courts over this. That is something that has never happened before. Children suing the Federal government. Just the whole community image of children going to their parents saying, you have been negligent for my future. You should be responsible for this conversation, but I have to stand up. There is something completely poetic, and moving, and sad, and inspiring all at the same time. That kind of thing has just never happened before.

When the children bring their youthful spirit and action together, I think maybe shame is too strong a word, but it has this kind of connotation of, oh, I am embarrassed at my unconscious behavior. I have been stuck in status quo. I have not really questioned things, and they are right across the board.

Chris Martenson: Shame might arise, but really that is a personal decision as to whether you go to shame. I think the children are saying, you have been acting out of integrity and that can be a shameful moment when you realize that is true. They are saying, you have been saying this and doing that. It is about the actions. I agree with Bill McKibben. It is a fight.

My framing on this is that, this is not about the information. It has never been about the information. It has always been about the fact that we have belief systems that are entrenched and there is a status quo defense belief system out there that can’t let go of the idea that we are clever monkeys who are entitled to grow infinitely, forever, exponentially and we are never going to have to take a look at that behavior set because we do not want to. Kids who grew up differently are saying, wait a minute. I am not as wedded to that belief system you happen to have. It never worked for me anyway. That whole American Dream thing, keep telling yourself that. We know better. It does not exist.

They are starting to step up and say, wait a minute. This doesn’t make any sense. It is not a conversation. You cannot have a conversation with a belief system. It is wackadoodle. There has to be something more than saying, I am going to continue to engage in dialog with you. Protesting is one way, but there is a resignation that can happen, as well. A checking-out and saying, I am just not participating. I am not going to engage with your system here.

Mark Morey: Right. Like, what’s the alternative?

Chris Martenson: What is the alternative?

Mark Morey: I think the door that is always an option that is sitting there that can go into denial is -- it is just a little easier if I stay in the current system and maximize it a little bit more. I might even be aware of options, but I am just going to stay here a little bit longer, a little bit more, even though I know it is heading towards a brick wall. I read the articles every day, but I still go to work because that is my job and I have got to stay in the system. I think there is a lot of, what would you call that, inertia that keeps people in the same spot. Whereas, if you practice going off trail, taking risks, maybe departing the secure job or downsizing your family to a smaller economic and ecological footprint, it gives you more freedom to actually act in alignment with your human values. You could say the spiritual capital that you get in replacement of the financial capital actually makes life meaningful. So, what kind of adult do you want to be in the world? What kind of surplus of vision and meaningfulness do you want to leave are based on those choices.

For me, and I have spent a lot of my life organizing outside the system and seeing it pay off in moments like this. Almost like it has been dormant or slowly percolating for a long time, where there is tens of thousands of people who are in positions of privilege, positions of economic advantage because they are not native. They can turn to this situation and all act in concert and send millions of dollars, or tens of thousands of dollars, or hundreds of vehicles to that place and stand there with them. It is no longer a bad native people issue. This is across the board human issue. Across colors, across tribes.

So, I think this is the beginning of all sorts of energy project issues that are going to happen more, and more, and more and we will look back on it and say, that was a landmark turning point where the people stood up.

Chris Martenson: I like this idea of the elevation of the human issues because it is impossible to open a newspaper and not discover a disgusting anti-human issues that pops up and it just sort of accepted. When I read that in a state where there is a marijuana legalization effort, that one of the chief contributors to the anti side of that equation; the people who are pouring the most money into preventing marijuana legalization are companies that manufacture opioid substances. The ones, particularly, who are doing the sublingual fentanyl or the company that makes OxyContin, they pour hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars to block medical marijuana or recreational marijuana from coming in because the data shows their business would suffer. The data also shows that these companies are responsible for many thousands of deaths from overdoses and addiction things that destroy lives.

This is just reported in our news like, oh, is not that curious? No, it is not curious. It is anti-human. How far off the reservation, to use that term, how far off of reality do we have to be where we go, oh. This makes sense for companies who are knowingly engaged in a product set that is anti-human life. That they can try and block something that is extremely safe and natural, and we are okay with that on some level. It is just bizarre. To me, there is so much fuel here, which is what I am trying to tease out that is happening here. People are rising up and saying, stop, already. Just stop. What do you do when you are up against an insane adversary? Do you try and match their insanity or do you do something completely different? It is an open question. Is this protest the right way? I do not know, but I am encouraged that people are doing whatever they can in this moment.

Mark Morey: Right. I am with you. There is an effect of what is different. Here is an example of what is different, as odd as this might sound to some of the listeners. This encampment, there is actually a couple of them there in Cannonball. The daily practice that is happening, this is organized by native people and this is their house. When you go to visit there, this the way they do things, that there are ceremonies all day long and all night long that are healing ceremonies, that are prayerful ceremonies using a sweat lodge or their sacred pipe, or other methods of calling in spiritual support and asking for, what is the best way for us to proceed. That is charging their environment every single day to where the chief, the chairman of the Standing Rock tribe makes these announcements through the elders, saying, the spirits have told us that, as long as we are nonviolent we are going to win this. They are completely clear about that.

This is not like an antagonistic, fight fire with fire situation. This is sourced from the earth, from their ancestral traditions, their empowered peoples to do this in a Gandhian way. I think something completely new is happening here, and it is just off the radar and people do not understand it. They think they can get rid of it. It is only going to grow stronger, because it is righteous in the literal sense.

Chris Martenson: I love hearing how that is new. Listen, I think people should find out more about this and be following this in something other than just through the headlines and the articles that are out, because there is something a lot deeper happening here. How would people follow this if you could give them advice?

Mark Morey: Well, I have just done a little bit of research myself, and I have come across a number of people who are reporting directly from the camps who are native and they have little media outfits there. They are going around and interviewing people and it is the cleanest, direct sense of what is happening there at any given time. You can always get the real story when you tune into their live Facebook feeds. I am posting lots of things through a page I created called the Red Cloud Defense Center, and it organizes those live media feeds and it also organizes people who want to send things and do not know what to do or where to go.

Chris Martenson: Is that a Facebook page?

Mark Morey: The Red Cloud Defense Center is what we called it.

Chris Martenson: Yeah. That is a Facebook page?

Mark Morey: Yeah. We also, there is a guy named Myron Dewey who does really great live posts about what is going on there. The Standing Rock reservation, their main camp, I think is called Sacred Stones camp dot org. There is an FAQ there and information that you can check in with. Yeah. Those are some of the ways. You can also find lots of native media outlets that are coming out of there, but those are the ones that I have been using.

Chris Martenson: Fantastic. Here is the thing. The people listening to this who would like to help, I think that you have got a really direct feed for helping and of course there would be other ones they might be able to source, as well. What is your crowdfunding page?

Mark Morey: It is under YouCaring. YouCaring.com and it is called Immediate Resources for Standing Rock Water Protection Camps. They redefine the language as not protesters. They said, we are not protesting anything. We are simply protecting what is. It is immediate resources for Standing Rock Water Protection Camps.

Chris Martenson: Fantastic. We will provide a link to that, as well, below this podcast because I think people should have the easy opportunity to contribute to that. I want to just point out that, to contribute to that is to contribute to something that is more of a movement and it is not a protest. It is a protection. This is direct action. If you are thinking, why isn't anybody doing anything? Well, they are. This is what it is going to have to look like. People, warriors like Bill McKibben who spent I do not know how many years and how much of his life banging his head against a brick wall thinking that somehow that brick wall was listening. It is not. Beliefs do not change with information. They have to be confronted and sometimes it looks like an intervention and it is not pretty.

Really in some ways, I think what Standing Rock is about, it is an intervention that is saying, stop modern people. You have some other things you need to consider and think about here. It is really an opportunity to sit back and take stock of where we are. Boy, that has to happen.

Mark Morey: Yeah. It is inspiring also to engage with the indigenous conversation, because it does shift your worldview, too, which is a very personal action that you can take is to seek to understand and share the story. So, that is one of the things that happens when you go there. You could go in there as a white man who represents everything we are talking about and a native elder will walk up to you; this is a story I heard over and over again. They will shake your hand without even knowing you and say, welcome. Thank you so much for coming here. I do not know what drew you to come, but you are totally welcome. Thank you -- and they give you a gift.

Chris Martenson: Wow. Here is the thing. If you are thinking about giving to this, please do. This is a really incredibly worthy cause. I hope it has great legs to go beyond even this one pipeline issue. This is the kind of thing that I think we have all been waiting for. When is something going to happen? It is happening. It is not really being reported on all that much. If somebody does give, how could they be connected to what happens with that gift? How will they know it got there? Are you harvesting any stories about how people use the money? We had the best campfire ever, because of the wood that came from this money. How are you connecting those dots, if you are?

Mark Morey: On the YouCaring page I am posting fundraiser updates of the people who have gone out there, the things that they are contributing, the names of the people we are meeting, and the personal stories. I am also just putting links to videos on the Red Cloud page that I mentioned. There is lots of intimate ways to feel connected to this. That is one of the benefits of collectively putting our resources together for it is, we feel like, I could send $25 and not know what happens, but if I am part of $10,000, I know we bought a winterized, four-season wall tent with wood stove for the security team who are there to create peace within this camp. Here is the name of that guy, here is his photograph, and here is the teaching he gave us about this. It is very immediate and very fulfilling.

Chris Martenson: I really think this is very much worth supporting. My wife, Becca and I, we just had a podcast where we talked about some of the lessons harvested from Art of Mentoring. People may be familiar with that if they have heard that podcast. Really, one of the pieces was around, how do we support people? Obviously, there is financial support. It is important. That lets people know you are supporting them. There is lots of other ways to support people who are trying the new things that need to be done.

Can we just be honest here? The status quo, not only can it not be preserved, but it really should not be in lots of ways. There are things we need to be doing differently. Always difficult to know what those things are, but we should support whatever we can see coming along and not all of them will work. Hey, you know what? That is part of being an entrepreneur, in essence. We have to try stuff and we are going to put it out there and we will see what works because the old way is not working anymore. In particular, if we think it is going to end in the destruction of massive ecosystems, which it already is on its way to doing. Hey, that is a sign maybe it is not working. Yeah, let us get creative and try some things.

This is more to me than some native people trying to block a single pipeline. It is really what is under that, that needs to be talked abou,t because it is not about this pipeline. It is about this human experiment and asking the questions that the status quo that means your media is representative of, it does not seem to be interested in asking. Young people are, and curious people are, and people who have woken up from the dream have started to ask these questions. I think that is what is really going along here. Of course, you have to dig around to find it, but these things are happening. It is getting hard to suppress them.

Mark Morey: That is right. Very good. One of the things even if you want to think strategically about this. If we want to create health and wellness and be resilient, valuing diversity is a good strategy. The marginalized people at the edge actually have a completely different worldview that can help us solve a lot of problems that we are not thinking of ourselves. That alone is a good thing to lean into and say, how can I explore that difference? How do they see the world? What if we brought them to the table and made them a partner in making decisions for the future generations? What would they say? That would be a good investment.

Chris Martenson: Absolutely. Fantastic. With that, Mark Morey, thank you so much for you time. Your website, please, so people can find out more about you.

Mark Morey: Thank you. www.aconnectedleader.com.

Chris Martenson: A connected leader, all one word dot com?

Mark Morey: Correct.

Chris Martenson: All right. Listen, I hope to have you back on, because I want to talk about some fantastic articles that have been coming out lately that we have been exploring about how kids learn or do not learn. All of that. Of course, you are one of the seminal people who really influenced my children and my thinking on education and how all that works. There is just so much to harvest from you. Thank you for your time today on the Standing Rock issue.

Mark Morey: Thank you very much, Chris, and happy birthday.

Chris Martenson: Thank you. It is just a two hand kind of a thing these days. Once you are over 50. Well, happy birthday, but another one. There it is. Thanks a lot.

Mark Morey: All right. Have a good day.

Chris Martenson: Thanks, Mark. You, too.

Mark Morey: Bye.

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Time to redefine indigenous

One only needs to spend time with your grandkids digging carrots, picking fresh strawberries, watching the geese fly south or any of the other natural activities,that have become so foreign to our current developed world, to understand where this situation is leading. Watching the faces of these little ones light up in the shear joy of discovering the bounty the natural world provides, should make us all pause and consider what this podcast identifies. Humans continue to ignore their connection to the world and wallow in our hubris of development. Mark Morey has captured one of the many reasons I have opted to live rural and remotely connected. There is hope, if we chose to match our actions with these sentiments. Try watching the movie Damnation, for an example of what can be accomplished when carefully considering options. Again, another cogent podcast; well done PP!

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The links to connect and help out at Standing Rock

For those interested in learning more and maybe helping out, here are the links we discussed at the end of the podcast:

Mark Morey's site:
 
 
Crowdfund to support $ Standing Rock Protectors:
 
 
Follow the story:
 
1. Mark Morey's facebook page for all sorts of direct native media from the camps
 
 
2. If you want to drive out with a load of supplies, I'll help you be effective and relevant to current needs: (RedCloud Defense Center)
 
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Best Democracy Money Can Buy

Your duty to vote is "doodie". No point arguing about which candidate is more dangerous then the other.

https://vimeo.com/182803637

Democratic Leadership Council: Financed by whom? the Koch Brothers, and who did they put in the presidency? why Bill Clinton, of course.

LOL!!!!

 

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Dakota Pipeline

This is probably a tempest in a teapot. The only real issue is whether or not the Standing Rock Sioux had an adequate opportunity to air their concerns and have them addressed. The rest of the show has been routine acquisition of pipeline right-of-way on privately owned lands and the usual governmental paperwork that takes care of the legalities of such projects.

The pipeline will eventually provide the safest and most economical means of transporting domestically produced crude oil to market. Like it or not, believe that it only postpones doom or not, the fact is that domestically produced shale and tight sands oil is the reason that gasoline prices have dropped to the $2 range. While the Bakken could not be profitably drilled at present oil prices, it would be stupid not to use the oil that can be produced now.

The following link will provide some balance to what has been reported on the Dakota Access Pipeline.

http://standingrockfactchecker.org/fact-checking-srst-claims-9-7-16/

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No Stan Robertson

While some of the things that you say and some of the points made in the link are technically correct, they do not equal a strong argument in favor of the pipeline.

When getting a large project approved there is supposed to be an Environmental Impact Statement. Big Oil got around that by getting small permits for small sections of pipeline. Some government officials it seems were so eager to help our polluting industries that they helped them get around the EIS.

A few other points:

Just because you say tribal councils were in on the discussions doesn't mean that they acted with the approval of rank-and-file Indians. Many Indians see the elected leaders of their tribes as "apples" (only red on the outside).

Also I don't see anything about EROEI (Energy Returned on Energy Invested). Or any discussion about how many years the Bakken will remain fruitful - every boom leads to a bust and the bust may be coming sooner than you think.

How much "safer" are pipelines than rail? You make an assertion but provide no statistics (except for a reference to $2 gasoline which is lulling Americans into a false sense of security).

Extractive Industries and their PR organizations have lied to us before. I'm with the Indians at Standing Rock North Dakota. 

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Why There Is Trump

Why There Is Trump (The Automatic Earth)

Quote:

Tons of smart and less smart folks are breaking their heads over where Trump and Brexit and Le Pen and all these ‘new’ and scary things and people and parties originate, and they come up with little but shaky theories about how it’s all about older people, and poorer and racist and bigoted people, stupid people, people who never voted, you name it.

But nobody seems to really know or understand. Which is odd, because it’s not that hard. That is, this all happens because growth is over. And if growth is over, so are expansion and centralization in all the myriad of shapes and forms they come in.

Global is gone as a main driving force, pan-European is gone, and whether the United States will stay united is far from a done deal. We are moving towards a mass movement of dozens of separate countries and states and societies looking inward. All of which are in some form of -impending- trouble or another.

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Pipeline safety

Well, I think the claim that transporting the ND oil economically is sufficient to outweigh the potential damage really should be backed up with  more careful thought while the idea that pipelines are safe or even the safer alternative requires some data.

Here's a very extensive list of pipeline accidents in the US and there seem to be ~15-25 of them every year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_S...

Here's a sample from just the year 2012 when there were 38 reported incidents.

  • A 30-inch gas pipeline exploded and burned, in Estill County, Kentucky, on the evening of January 2. The rupture created a crater approximately 86 feet long by 22 feet wide, and expelled a number of pieces of pipe as far as 800 feet from the rupture center. Flames were reported reaching over 1,000 feet high. Residents up to a mile away from the failure were evacuated. There were no injuries. The cause was overstress from land movement.[355][356]
  • A forest fire caused a gas pipeline to explode and burn in Floyd County, Kentucky on January 7. There were no injuries from this incident.[357]
  • On January 9, a man was killed, and another person injured, in a fiery house explosion from a leaking 4-inch cast iron gas main installed in 1950 in Austin, Texas. Gas had been smelled in the area for several weeks prior to this. Gas company crews had looked along the affected property for a leak, but were unable to find it.[288][358]
  • Sunoco pipeline ruptured and spilled about 117,000 gallons of gasoline, in Wellington, Ohio, late on January 12. Some residents were evacuated for a week.[359][360]
  • On January 13, an 8-inch gas pipeline exploded and burned, in a vacant agricultural field, in Rio Vista, California. There were no injuries or evacuations.[361]
  • Tennessee Gas Pipeline gas compressor had a major leak "that sounded like a rocket" in Powell County, Kentucky, forcing evacuations of nearby residents on January 14. There was no fire or injuries reported.[362]
  • A contractor excavating for a communications company caused a massive gas explosion and fire at a condominium complex on January 16 in West Haverstraw, New York, injuring two firefighters and two utility workers. Afterwards, it was found that the excavator's insurance will be insufficient to cover all of the property damage of the incident.[363]
  • On January 18, the original Colonial Pipeline mainline failed in Belton, South Carolina, spilling about 13,500 gallons of petroleum product. The failure was caused by internal corrosion.[364]
  • Workers in Topeka, Kansas were installing a yard sprinkler system on January 30, hit a gas line. Gas from the leak later on exploded in a nearby house, burning a 73-year-old woman, who died several weeks later.[365][366]
  • On January 31, a Shell Oil Company fuel pipeline to the Milwaukee, Wisconsin Mitchell International Airport was found to be leaking. Jet fuel had been smelled for about two weeks in the area, and was found in runoff water in the area. The cause was from external corrosion. About 9,000 gallons of fuel were spilled. In 2014, a Shell employee was scheduled to plead guilty to charges of falsifying records of the pipeline.[367][368]
  • A Florida Gas Transmission Company 30-inch gas transmission pipeline burst near Baton Rouge, Louisiana on February 13. Residents in the area were evacuated for a time, but there was no fire.[369][370]
  • On February 15, 2012, in Arenac County, Michigan, oil was discovered in the soil around a 30-inch Enbridge crude oil pipeline. About 800 gallons of crude oil was spilled.[371]
  • Two cars that were drag racing went off the road they were on, and crash through a fence and into a crude oil pipeline in New Lenox, Illinois on March 3. The pipeline was ruptured, and the crude oil ignited. Two men from the vehicles were killed, and three others seriously burned.[372][373]
  • On March 5, a leak at an Enid, Oklahoma pipeline storage facility spread propane fumes in the area, forcing evacuations. There was no fire or explosion.[374]
  • A crude oil pipeline leaked near Grand Isle, Louisiana on March 17, spilling as much as 8,400 gallons of crude oil. There were no injuries reported.[375]
  • On March 29, an employee accidentally left a valve open during maintenance work on a Williams Companies gas compressor station near Springville Township, Pennsylvania. Later, gas leaked through the valve, causing alarms to evacuate workers in the compressor building. Later, the gas exploded and burned. There were no injuries. It was also found there are no agencies enforcing rules on rural gas facilities in that state.[376][377]
  • On April 2, Transcontinental Gas Pipeline Company, reported a leak on their 72nd Street Interstate Transmission Lateral located in North Bergen, New Jersey. Workers discovered a rock in contact with the bottom of the pipe. Upon removing the rock, the pipeline began to leak. There was no fire or injuries reported as a result of this incident.[378]
  • A 12-inch gas pipeline exploded and burned for five hours near Gary, Texas on April 4. There were no injuries, but the rupture site was only 200 feet from that pipeline's compressor station.[379]
  • On April 6, two gas company workers were mildly burned when attempting to fix a leak on a 4-inch gas pipeline in DeSoto County, Mississippi. The pipeline exploded and burned during the repairs.[380]
  • A gas pipeline exploded and burned in Terrebonne Parish, Louisiana, on April 9. The accident was reported first by a satellite monitoring the area to the NRC. There were no injuries.[381]
  • Two men escaped with only minor burns after a bulldozer they were using hit a 24-inch gas pipeline near Hinton, Iowa on April 25. Authorities later announced the men did not call 811 for an underground utility locate.[382]
  • On April 28, an ExxonMobil 20/22-inch-diameter pipeline ruptured near Torbert in Pointe Coupee Parish, Louisiana, about 20 miles west of Baton Rouge, and crude oil spilled into the surrounding area, and flowed into an unnamed tributary connected to Bayou Cholpe. About 117,000 gallons of crude were spilled, with about 37,000 gallons being lost. The pipeline failed due to a manufacturing defect.[383][384][385]
  • A 26-inch gas transmission pipeline ruptured on June 6 in a compressor station near Laketon in northeastern Gray County, Texas. Gas escaped from the 50-foot-long rupture, igniting, leaving a crater 30 feet in diameter, burning two acres of agricultural area and telephone poles. There were no injuries.[386]
  • On June 8, near Canadian, Texas, a trackhoe operator suffered burns, after a fire from leaking 4-inch gas-gathering pipeline that was undergoing maintenance. Fumes entered the engine of the trackhoe and ignited.[387]
  • A contractor was killed and two others injured after an explosion at a BP gas compressor station in Durango, Colorado on June 25. BPHalliburton, and the other contractors were fined $7,000 each for safety violations in that work.[388][389]
  • A West Shore Pipe Line petroleum products pipeline burst near Jackson, Wisconsin on July 17, releasing about 54,000 gallons of gasoline. At least one family self evacuated due to the leak. At least 44 water wells nearby were contaminated from benzine in the gasoline, including a municipal well. A LF-ERW seam failure was suspected as the cause. Further testing revealed that at least 26 other areas on this pipeline needed repairs, with 22 within the Jackson Marsh Wildlife Area.[390][391][392][393]
  • A 14-inch gas gathering pipeline exploded and burned on July 18 near Intracoastal City, Louisiana. There were no injuries or major property damage reported.[394]
  • On July 23, a compressor station operated by Williams Companies in Windsor, New York was venting gas in a "routine procedure" — during a lightning storm — when the vent was ignited by lightning, causing a fireball "hundreds of feet into the air"[395][396]
  • An Enbridge crude oil pipeline ruptured in Grand Marsh, Wisconsin, releasing an estimated 1,200 barrels of crude oil. The pipeline had been installed in 1998. Flaws in the longitudinal welds had been seen during X-ray checks of girth welds.[163][397]
  • Four contract workers were injured during a flash fire at a Wyoming gas processing plant on August 22.[398]
  • A jet fuel pipeline near Chicago began leaking on August 27. The burst pipeline spilled an estimated 42,000 gallons of jet fuel into a ditch that empties into the Calumet Sag Channel in Palos Heights, Illinois. External corrosion was the cause of the pipeline failure.[399][400][401]
  • On August 28, a Atmos Energy repair crew struck an 8-inch gas main in McKinney, Texas, causing a fire. Four Atmos workers were treated for injuries. 1,000 Atmos gas customers lost gas service for a time.[402][403]
  • On September 6, a 10-inch gas gathering pipeline exploded and burned near Alice, Texas. Flames reached 100 feet high, and caused a 10-acre brush fire. There were no injuries.[404]
  • An explosion and fire hit a Crestwood Midstream Partners gas compressor station in Hood County, Texas on September 6. Heavy damage to a sheet metal building resulted, but, there were no injuries reported to crew there.[405]
  • A Colorado Interstate Gas gas compressor in Rio Blanco County, Colorado caught fire on September 11. There were no reported injuries.[406][407]
  • On September 24, an excavator struck a 4-inch natural gas line on Route 416 in Montgomery, New York. Escaping gas ignited, and it took 90 minutes before the gas was shut off. There were no injuries.[408]
  • The operator of an excavator machine narrowly escaped serious injury in Lewiston, Idaho on November 19, when his machine hit a gas pipeline during road work. The resulting fire destroyed a railroad signal, along with several telephone poles, and road construction equipment. The depth of the pipeline has been misjudged at that location.[409][410]
  • On November 20, about 38,000 gallons of crude oil spilled from an Enbridge pipeline at a tank farm in Mokena, Illinois.[411][412]
  • Two men were injured in an explosion and fire at a natural gas production facility east of Price, Utah on November 20.[413]
  • On November 23, a gas company worker looking for the source of a reported gas leak in a Springfield, Massachusetts strip club pierce a gas line. The gas later exploded, injuring 21, devastating the strip club, and damaging numerous nearby buildings.[414]
  • On November 30, a heavy equipment operator punctured a 12-inch gas transmission pipeline, near the city of Madera, California. The adjacent highway, along with several rural roads, was shut down for hours, while houses and businesses in the area were evacuated.[415]
  • A malfunction in a gas compressor caused a fire on December 4, north of Fort Worth, Texas. There were no injuries.[416]
  • On December 5, a 16-inch gas pipeline at 500 psi of pressure exploded and burned near a natural gas plant in Goldsmith, Texas. A fireball 250 feet high was created after the explosion, destroying 12 to 15 utility poles, and caliche and rocks the size of bowling balls damaged a road. There were no injuries reported.[417]
  • On December 11, at approximately 12:40pm, a 20-inch gas pipeline owned by NiSource Inc., parent of Columbia Gas, exploded along I-77 between Sissonville and Pocatalico, West Virginia. Several people suffered minor injuries, four houses were destroyed, and other buildings were damaged. Early reports announced the NTSB was investigating as to why alarms in the control room for this pipeline did not sound for this failure.[418][419][420][421]
  • On December 26, a 20-inch Florida Gas Transmission Company pipeline ruptured near Melbourne, Florida, ejecting a 20-foot section of the pipeline. There was no fire or injuries.[422]
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5 yers later Kalamazoo still a mess

And when pipelines spill in watersheds, they can make a big, big mess.

KALAMAZOO, MI -- The five-year anniversary of the Kalamazoo River oil spill is July 25, marking the official date that Enbridge Energy's 6B pipeline ruptured in the Talmadge Creek and sent 843,000 gallons of diluted bitumen, also known as crude tar sands oil -- into the tributary of the Kalamazoo River.

The oil would eventually travel about 39 miles down the Kalamazoo River before being contained in Morrow Dam in Kalamazoo County's Comstock Township. Subsequent cleanup efforts would be further complicated by the fact that some of the heavy crude oil sank to the river's bottom, meaning cleanup efforts required extensive dredging of the riverbed.

Enbridge, a Canadian-based oil giant, completed remedial efforts in fall 2014 that had been ordered by the U.S. Environmental Protection agency. In addition to removing the oil, the effort included rehabilitating damage caused to the ecosystem and wildlife affected by the spill.

So far, Enbridge has paid about $1.2 billion to clean up the tar sands oil, not including more than $80 million in state and federal fines to date. While cleanup of the river is complete, Enbridge is still required to monitor the river for additional unnatural sheen or oil particles through 2016 under the supervision of the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality.

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While DilBit (diluted bitumen) is a far worse substance than ND Bakken crude (much lighter, doesn't sink nearly as much I would hazard)) it really cannot be argued that anybody would want a pipeline breaking in their water supply.

And nobody can argue that they won't break.  Pipelines break all the time....it's what long, pressurized hoses eventually do, especially when run by money grubbing, maintenance stingy companies 

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The Sioux treaties

By my memory, there is a treaty between the Sioux and the United States government, to the effect that the Sioux lands will not be taken except for a road to Oregon, or for a military base. 

This qualifies as neither.

There is also an interpretation that "taking" can involve even limiting the best use of the land.  If the best use of the land is for drinking water, and the presence of the pipeline and the possibility of rupture impacts that use, then that is "taking".

Now, on the down side:  the US government AND the Canadian government, as well as many other governments, ignore their treaties when they want to.

Nonetheless, often times if the Sioux can force the other company to take them to court, they can then declare that the court is incompetent to hear the case, if it is not either Geneva or the US Supreme Court, both of which have standing to rule on treaties.  Although governments may wish to ignore their treaties, courts generally defer to the claim of incompetence, if there is reasonable cause to consider the claim.

So it is quite possible that they can win this.

And they should.

 

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pyranablade wrote:

Also I don't see anything about EROEI (Energy Returned on Energy Invested). Or any discussion about how many years the Bakken will remain fruitful - every boom leads to a bust and the bust may be coming sooner than you think.

I was thinking the same thing.  How good an investment is the pipeline, given that fracking does not have the life span or produce the volume of oil that conventional oil fields do.

The investment should not only consider construction cost, but also removing the pipeline once it is no longer in use.  The potential cost of major spill cleanups should be built into the equation as well.

If a real estimate of the pipeline revenue stream can cover construction cost, potential environmental damage cleanup and pipe line removal plus returning the land to original condition while producing a reasonable profit, then perhaps it's a good investment.

I'm betting that the financial analysis fell far short of including all of the costs plus potential costs.  

For that matter, do US companies even bother to remove pipelines once they are no longer in use, or do they just plug them and walk away?

So, if it goes forward, some people make a lot of money, other people get cheaper gas, while a few people have to live with land that is permanently degraded?

It's the American way.

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Re: Pipeline Safety

Chris,

Only about one fourth of the incidents that you cited involved transmission of liquids. Leaks and explosions are much more probable with gas lines. I don't believe that it is appropriate to compare their risks with those of a large capacity, expensive and well constructed oil pipeline. Almost the entire U.S. production of natural gases is transported by about three million of miles of pipelines ranging from gathering and transmission lines to distribution lines. Only 38 serious incidents per year seems like an incredibly good safety record to me. Further, I worked on the construction of several hundred miles of two major petroleum liquids transmission lines that have each been in service for over fifty years without leaks. While nothing is completely risk free, I think that it would be easily possible to operate the Dakota Access Pipeline for a similar period with zero problems. In contrast, there have already been several incidents with loss of life due to rail transport of Bakken oil.

Stan

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Authority

This is excellent news.So the kids have an intuition about the sacredness of their environment and can speak with authority conferred by their lineage. 

One should imagine then that I can speak with the authority conferred by mine? Possibly not, in some eyes.

I am an I haplogroup.  My ancestors were Cro-magnon. 

The I group were the original settlers of Europe, and arrived there (before the I-mutation took place) from the Middle East around 35,000 years ago. These are the descendants of the Cro-Magnons. I later mutated further into the I1 and I2 groups. 

Therefore I can claim to speak for Europe with more authority than the recently arrived R1 group.

 

http://www.popularsocialscience.com/2012/11/08/who-are-we-uncovering-the...

However there is a wrinkle in the story. I'm not as impressive as my ancestors. 

For the purposes of this argument, what is important is that they had never known an agricultural way of life which was sedentary. Grazing was far more similar to the Palaeolithic hunter’s way of life than was Neolithic agriculture. And it is this way of life in particular that has enabled them to preserve the Palaeolithic intelligence and that has allowed them to conquer the world. 

 

https://constantincretan.wordpress.com/2011/11/13/the-cro-magnon-man-was...

W.H. Calvin has an explanation of why this is so. (Google fail. Thanks DuckDuckgo). In easy times we breed young and fast. We are in easy times . This creates a Neotenic population, a population that breeds before maturity.

 

http://www.popularsocialscience.com/2012/11/08/who-are-we-uncovering-the...

Prognosis. In hard times we do grow up. Pair bonding is for life. Offspring require a greater percentage of scarce resources.

Note: That brain/bodyweight ratio thing is based on an egotistical homocentric desire to explain our "obvious" superiority and dashed good looks. It has no substance. The brain does not cool the blood, it thinks and it is as small as it can be and still deliver the goods; babies.

 

http://www.the-stonehenge-enigma.info/2015/06/homo-superior-cro-magnon-m...

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Re: RE: Pipeline Safety

I guess it all depends on where you happen to live:

http://www.newsoptimist.ca/news/local-news/independent-assessment-of-hus...

Resource development takes from all for the benefit of the select. Return on investment means different things to deferent people.

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Be Well

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I often think the brain is my favorite organ

But then I realize who it is that's telling me this.

BTW Herr Robley, the white supremacist propaganda poster is hilarious. 

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A circular argument

If Homo Superior is superior as such, then why is he extinct?

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Scanning the historical record for something different

Not seeing it:

http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/324

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Happy shared birthday, Chris!

Happy shared birthday, Chris!

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Standing Rock gets militarized

Time2Help posted this over in the DD, so I'm moving it here:

Time2help wrote:

Military-Style Raid Ends Native Prayer Against Dakota Pipeline (TeleSur)

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North Dakota police with military-style equipment surrounded Native Americans gathered in prayer against the construction of the Dakota Access pipeline on Wednesday, disrupting their plan to cross sacred and treaty-protected land in protest of a project they fear will destroy their livelihood.

“ND authorities deploy armed personnel with shotguns and assault rifles, military vehicles, and aerial spray on peaceful Water Protectors gathered in prayer,” wrote the Sacred Stone Camp, in a Facebook post.

Officers with military-style armored vehicles and shotguns threatened the protesters, who call themselves “water protectors” for defending the Missouri River from imminent pollution, reported Unicorn Riot. Up to 21 were arrested, the channel reported.

Witnesses filmed the crackdown but said their access their Facebook was blocked. One participant, Thomas H. Joseph II, posted a chilling video narrating the mobilization and his getaway. Helicopters are heard as he says that tear gas is being dropped, and an officer loads his gun as protesters, some on horseback, chant, "We have no guns."

In the video, Joseph said that “one guy’s about ready to blast us” but later added that no fires were shot.

“We gathered in prayer un-armed, prayed, sang songs, and attempted to leave," he later wrote in a Facebook post. "No threats, No vandalism, No violence was taken on our part.”

Police and private security personnel have been more aggressively cracking down on actions against the pipeline since the governor declared a state of emergency. The state is currently investigating an incident in which contracted private security film Frost Kennels unleashed dogs during a nonviolent direct action, ending with six bitten, including a pregnant woman and a child, according to organizers at the action.

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Pattern recognition; How does Standing Rock fit in?

Look at the pictures of the militarized response to peaceful demonstrators.  Think this is an isolated incident?  No way.  Here is the color-by-numbers;

1)  https://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/10/18/11527/citizens-united-decisio...

2)  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/3/28/1373942/-Crushing-the-Occupy-Mov...

3)  This chart of Corp. profits going exponential presented by CHS;  http://www.oftwominds.com/blogsept16/depression9-16.html

  corp-profits9-16.png

Who's the boss?  The people?  Not any more....

4)  This chart, from the same CHS post, of worker's share of GDP... notice the trend is opposite of above;

wages-GDP5-16a.png

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People vs. Oligarchy

Yes Jim H., That has been the pattern. But the harder the oligarchy clamps down on the people, the more awareness there will be of what is going on.  One aspect of this is that the oligarchy will spend more and more money hiring "goons" to do their dirty work eventually the goons will eventually side with the people, knowing they are more like us than the 0.1%.

Things can change pretty quickly.  

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I am not unhopeful pyrana...

Most of my writing is geared toward those who still need a nudge to awaken ...  the movement can still succeed.  We have to though be prepared for the Oligarchy to continue lashing out;

  http://sgtreport.com/2016/09/emergency-hillary-globalists-shutting-down-...

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Not extinct

Not extinct yet.

But they are working on it. 

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Cogent reply Cello

Worthy of twitter.

I shall change my opinion when Bob Mugabe sends humanitarian aid to Germany. 

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Listening: Dr. Ray Peat on Authoritarianism

Radio broadcast interview with Dr Ray Peat discussing authoritarianism and current political mindsets.

https://www.toxinless.com/kmud-160617-authoritarianism.mp3

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Complicated human moral frailty
cello55 wrote:

Scanning the historical record for something different [and] Not seeing it:

http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/324

As a young exploration geologist, 2 1/2 decades ago, I worked at a gold mine that was
"carved out" of the Fort Belknap reservation in Montana.  The nick carved out of the reservation boundary fit the mine permit boundary.  That was the first time I realized "how things work".  Although the property was "purchased" from the Fort Belknap reservation in 1895, one wonders whether it was a "good faith" purchase between willing parties, or the re-write of a treaty boundary with money changing hands.  

Would I go back and re-write my own life and career?  Would I tell my 25-year old self not to work at that property?  Perhaps not.  I worked hard, learned a lot, earned money to pay off student loans, made friendships and professional connections...  

Would I tell my 50-year old self not to work at that property?  Yes, I have.  I'm not taking on any new mining clients.  I'm spending more time tending chickens, selling eggs, and building soil than practicing my (former?) profession.

Was the mine I worked at bad or good?  It's complicated.  From 1979 - 1996 this mine produced 2.5 million ounces of gold and over 20 million ounces of silver.  Some of those PMs could be in PPer's stockpiles.   The operation provided a good standard of living for over 300 employees, in a state that needs 300 acres just to feed one cow.

We cannot go back and change the past.  We can only go forward.  As I move forward today, I am standing with the Sioux people of Standing Rock.   

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Neil Young is sharing the news

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So people think the police

So people think the police are militarized now?  I read in the current issue of " Flight International" that the next version of the Predator drone is being designed for, the phrase was something like, " in state operations" if I remember!

Jim H.  Thanks for that stgreport which is shocking. I see something small but hopeful in Nexus Magazine's plans to create a first alternative News Agency to rival Reuters, AP, etc. The editor says " Facebook, Google, Wikipedia, are now using their powers to ...reduce our access our " controversial information".

 

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Really a sad testament

There's not a lot of positive developments to report from the Dakota Access Pipeline Protests.  

The authorities are behaving exactly as you would expect; remorselessly, and with a heavy hand.

The media is responding with a near total blackout.

Because the hard truths are sometimes best shared with humor, I'll post this:

 

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What you're saying is...

So Chris, you're essentially telling us that The Powers That Be (TPTB) are more concerned with extending Business As Usual (BAU) than they are with passing on an inhabitable world to future generations.

(Forget about the climate change issue, they're saying, let's keep the economy going in the short-term.)

That's what we call a BFD where I come from.

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Even Money

Ever think the heavy handed escalation here is conveniently timed to provide distraction from the ongoing election shenanigans?

Wonder how many of the "local" PD shown would be recognized by the locals.

 

 

 

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