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    Outrage! Why The US Government Lied To Us About Masks

    It didn't want to admit it let national stockpiles deplete before the pandemic hit
    by Adam Taggart

    Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 8:29 AM

The Honey Badger virus refuses to give up the fight.

Global cases have crossed the 8 million mark, and eighteen US states have reported a rise in new infections this week vs last.

China, too, is grappling to suppress a new outbreak, this time in the capital city of Beijing.

We do see, though, plenty of examples where covid-19 has been successfully suppressed or eradicated by good anti-contagion practices including masks, social distancing, handwashing/hygiene, and other measures.

So why was the US government so intent back in February and March on convincing us that “masks don’t work” and urging us not to wear them?

Presidential pandemic task force medical chief Dr. Anthony Fauci is twisting history, claiming that they didn’t want to direct needed PPE away from medical workers. But that’s not the full story.

The truth is, the US government badly under-invested in maintaining the national stockpile of PPE for such a pandemic, which was pretty much depleted by the end of March. And they didn’t want us to know that. So that tried to convince us that masks don’t work.

While they obviously should have funded adequate preparation, the government could have instead been honest with us from the get go and encouraged a national citizen mask-making brigade, akin to the civilian war efforts of WW2. We could have much better protected ourselves AND reduced demand for the higher-standard PPE that the hospitals needed.

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 8:30am

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    Good Read: Climate Crisis, Pandemics and Bad Governance: Humanity's Existential Threats

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2020/05/30/climate-crisispandemics-and-bad-governance-humanitys-existential-threats/Climate Crisis, Pandemics and Bad Governance: Humanity's Existential Threats http://newsjunkiepost.com/2020/05/30/climate-crisispandemics-and-bad-governance-humanitys-existential-threats/

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 8:51am

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    quantumkev said:

    I wonder if this will change the views of all the "anti maskers" out there? There is a crowd of voices coming up with all kinds of reasons against wearing masks. I'm so glad I've been watching your videos since February. I live in Arizona, and cases here are spiking through the roof - 2,392 new ones on Monday, a record since the pandemic started. I have been trying to spread the message to "mask up," but there is a lot of opposition here. I would say less than 30% of the general population is wearing them when out and about. My family and I have been taking precautions, and I will continue to spread the message. Thanks for all your hard work Chris to get this info out!

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 9:37am

    David Turin

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    David Turin said:

    Welcome aboard @quantumkev

    I wonder if this will change the views of all the "anti maskers" out there?

    I wouldn't hold your breath.  As Chris has said more than once, people view evidence through their own filters and logic is often what was filtered out; belief based on opinion instead of facts.

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 10:08am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Banana Republic

    Actually the US is not a Banana Republic. Though the pejorative description is well deserved. A Banana Republic would be characterized by a country which relies economically on one export such as bananas. These countries are then dominated politically by huge corporations such as United Fruit, now Dole. Smedley Butler does a great job explaining the role of the US military in protecting those corporations.

    The US can actually be described as an Oligarchy, a Corporatocracy, Plutocracy, but it anything but a Democracy. All of those are accurate descriptions of the US. My definition incorporates all of those but takes it one step further. I consider the US a Fascist Empire. We have taken our system to every corner of the globe. We have 1,000 military bases around the world supposedly to make us "safe".

    Sheldon Wolin has described our system as Inverted Totalitarianism.

    "The people – While the classical totalitarian regimes aimed at the constant political mobilization of the populace, inverted totalitarianism aims for the mass of the populace to be in a persistent state of political apathy. The only type of political activity expected or desired from the citizenry is voting."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism#:~:text=The%20people%20%E2%80%93%20While%20the%20classical,from%20the%20citizenry%20is%20voting.

    In effect the Amerikaan citizenry are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Amerikaans are incapable of effecting any meaningful, economic, social or political change. The recent protests while poignant are not going to make any systemic changes. They will prove to be as useful as voting. Amerikaans actually as in SS display an affection for their kidnappers. Amerikaan heroes are the extremely wealthy, Gates, Buffett, Bezos, Zuckerburg, etc. They are also political depending on which side of the spectrum you find yourself. Of course there are the military heroes who are our protectors. All of these entities control the levers of power. They do not respond to the wants needs and desires of the majority of the populace. A prime example of this in operation is the recent CARES act (who makes these names up?) Hedge funds get billions and the people get $1200. The people getting $1200 are pitifully grateful. SBA loans have gone to Congress people. and we are not told how much or who. We don't need to know what the owners do with the money, we just need to keep paying taxes to them.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/16/congress-small-business-loan-320625

    The only 2 options I see are 1- total collapse. 2-a charismatic figure on the order of a Gandhi who can mobilize a critical mass of the population around the proposition of "I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRuS3dxKK9U

     

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 10:23am

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    case increase

    Here's what the spike in new cases looks like.  My best guess: New York largely has "herd immunity".  That's why they can protest and loot and see no spike in cases.

    The other areas aren't there yet.

    We are doing the Sweden model.

    Note that, for some reason, we are not seeing a similar spike in deaths.  At least not yet.  Deaths remain flat.

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 11:44am

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    planfortomorrow

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    Yuk, but, then again...

    ...I'm still here! Yippee! I haven't nor will I get sick. Why? I wear a mask. I wear rubber gloves. No exceptions. I clean myself and I stay home unless I have to go out or escape to our property, The Roost, where great things are being done and planned for when we take the keys to our front door. Then, to far for drop ins, not to close to my neighbors but, they know they are welcome. I did get our T-shirts and they are very nice. I probably won't send a picture. We don't do pictures all that often as we seldom think too. We take all the necessary drugs/supplements.

    Additionally, we just assume all politicians are liars and never, ever believe them any longer. For the first time in our lives we care only about ourselves, follow our own gut and find and listen to those who make sense, are honest, of high character and then, we still follow our own gut. Chris, you have won at every stage with truth and so your it, don't screw up now. Please.

    Folks, I hope and wish you all well, I know you are thinking and working hard. How do I know this? Because this is work, all of it so you may as well enjoy every bit of your world because what you do now is more important than anything else out there. We may not do it the same but we are heading in the same direction.

    So, just do what your gut says, Chris has encouraged this and I am 100 % in agreement. Why? I can live with my decisions. I could not live with doing it Chris's way only to find out mine worked better . Saying this another way: I believe in myself, if I'm wrong then I point the finger at myself. I do that allot and will continue but, lots of times no finger gets pointed so I just go about fixing my shit. It's only work and I love working.

    The biggest gift I give myself is I work at checking my Biases at the door. I am brutally honest about this. I want to make good decision without preconceived notions. I want to be fare minded and I like this approach. There is not just one way to do things, my way, I know and want to know the right way and be open to it when I see it.

    The Fed, Fauci (my greatest disappointment in all of this) all that is being done by TPTB are disappointing for sure. I can't do a thing and really don't want to. I can't do shit and I'm damn tired of the debates, the racism, the cop killers and cop killings others. Batons hitting an old man and he then gets knocked out and cut up on the streets. It's just sickening. All of it has been around in worst degrees all of my life. I want some appreciation for trying though. I want all the cash returned by all the Good Folks who stole our Social Security so that they could sit on their asses and do nothing except complain about me as a person when a great deal of my check goes to public housing, food stamps. welfare, medical coverage, better schools, so forth and so on. I am not racists, I am tired though of the super stars who do nothing for their community's to show the better way. To lead by example off and on their professional stage. I am tired that a felon is idolized for a cause. He should have been in jail, locked up for life and this story would never have been a story. No doubts the knee to the neck was murder. No doubt the victim was stoned out of his mind and trying to pass counterfeit $20 bill. No doubt he beat the crap out of a black women either who was pregnant. No more, I hate this shit and I am leaving, going into the woods and live as quietly as I can.

    I'll have conversation with my Lady, Barb, the girl who in 46 years now has stood with me as we busted our asses to have the great privileges' to be and do what we want. Done.

    Be good. Peace

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 12:32pm

    Thors Hammer

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    Thors Hammer said:

    re Banana Republic

    Three simple rules to determine when your Government is lying to you:

    1- All governments lie all the time unless it benefits them to tell the truth.

    2- Does your Government own/control the means of Propaganda  ie---  religion, cultural belief systems, education, technology communication?

    3- Who benefits? (Follow the Money)

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 12:50pm

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    The question not being asked

    Another excellent presentation by Chris.

    But there is a question about masks that no one is asking. 

    China notified both the WHO and the CDC of the breakout on January 3rd of this year.

    Why is it, that more than six months later, I still cannot buy N95 masks? 

    Not only can I not buy them, health workers can’t. In one case I know about, a health care worker couldn’t even get replacement surgical masks. The hospital policy on masks was “keep reusing the one you have.”

    Why aren’t masks, especially N95 masks, in mass production? 

    I know that most medical masks are made overseas but why - after six months - are N95 masks still not being mass produced here. 

    I did a little historical research to see how nations respond to emergencies.

    For instance, after Pearl Harbor, the United States had a serious problem obtaining certain war materiel. Rubber, for instance, was crucial. It was not just used for tires but for gaskets, hosing, insulators and the like. You couldn’t build tanks or warships without rubber. 

    But ninety per cent of the rubber in the world came from lands under the control of the Japanese. 

    While synthetic rubber already existed at this time, it was not a good enough product to rely upon for military purposes.  A better product had to be developed.

    It was a real problem.

    To deal with this problem, the government gave an anti-trust exemption to American rubber manufacturers so that they could work together and jointly patent a synthetic rubber product before rubber inventories in the United States ran out. 

    The rubber companies, working together, developed a formula for an acceptable and cost effective synthetic rubber product. This was accomplished by March of 1942. In late March of that same year, the companies involved entered into a contract to build multiple factories to commence production. Firestone produced the program's first bale of synthetic rubber on April 26, 1942, followed by Goodyear on May 18. Other companies followed.

    That is four to five months after Pearl Harbor.

    In Germany, a similar project produced synthetic oil from coal.

    Importantly, the warring parties in WW II had accomplished these feats with 1940’s technology. 

    We have advanced far beyond 1940's technology. Now, we have supercomputers, computer modeling, internet based information sharing, video conferencing, robotic manufacturing and so on.

    We just have a lot more to work with.

    And, in this case, we did not have to create a new technology. All we had to do was manufacture a known product, i.e. N95 masks.

    But here we are. We are six months after being notified of a potential pandemic, and citizens still cannot order N95 masks. And hospital workers have to reuse masks since there are not enough in production.

    How can anyone justify that?

    It is not that we do not have the talent. 

    We do have the talent. 

    It is simply systemic failure at the highest levels of the public and private sector. 

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 1:41pm

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    We all knew they were lying about why no masks....The Peak Tribe did at least..

    We all knew they were lying about the masks.  Chris and team did an excellent job of getting the word on that out there early on.  However, many other people found themselves burned at the social media stake by saying that the WHO, CDC, and all the different levels of government were either lying, being negligent, or incompetent in saying masks didn't work.  People were branded as being crazy or a conspiracy theorist, when all they were doing was just trying to help others understand what was really going on.  Very few cared about China nationalizing the American owned N95 facilities in their country, or the still standing import/export restrictions .  After awhile, most probably just gave up.  Most became distracted by the Shiny stock market..or squirrels,,....except the resilient ones.  They just seem to keep going....Keep up the great work Guys and Gals!

    Cheers,

    Jim

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 3:09pm

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    moheli said:

    In Belgium 5000 patients got HCQ in hospitals out of a total of 16,000 hospitalisations. Often the patients demanded HCQ and even threatened to change hospital if they didn't receive it. Some patients refused to take part in randomised trials because they didn't want to run the risk of not being given the HCQ treatment. Professor Bottieau sayd the study of all these cases is not ready but he can allready say HCQ didn't cause overmortality and that the results seem favorable. Source : National newspaper Le Soir : https://plus.lesoir.be/307152/article/2020-06-15/au-moins-5000-patients-traites-la-chloroquine-en-belgique?_ga=2.227893204.835040675.1592431261-1567252995.1592254474

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 5:59pm

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    Dexamethosone

    Chris, could you revisit the Dexamethosone trial results? It looks like you may have misrepresented what the results show. For seriously ill patients on ventilators it seems to improve their chances of survival quite significantly. Of course other better treatments should have been used early on but having a 30% better chance of surviving, if you get to that serious state, doesn't seem like something that should so easily be dismissed.

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 6:22pm

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    Masks are still not available for one good reason...

    'They' do not want masks to be available to the plebs. If they wanted us to have them, wanted us to survive, to live long and prosper, we would have them. The most powerful country in the world would have, could have, should have stepped on the gas and done what it had to do in a hurry. It did not do it. It did not want to, or rather was told not to by their Deep State masters. It is that simple, to me anyway. All the pieces of the puzzle coming together give every indication this is a long planned strategy for population reduction as well as global control of all people, countries and resources.

    If ever there were a get out the pitch fork trigger moment, this lie should be it... Not seeing the masses rising up in absolute outrage at such a despicable ruse is beyond disconcerting. It is deflating... knock the wind right out my sail deflating. Further, I am certain the vast majority of people remain blissfully ignorant in their parochial bubbles...

    The lack of caring and outrage tells me it is time to embrace the philosophy of Bob in comment #6 (hi Bob!): going forward, all I do will be about trusting my gut and doing what is right for me. This means also stepping up the mental & emotional resilience efforts, since I have no more lingering doubts that we are totally on our own.

    Loss of trust in institutions is the big line in the sand. Once irrevocably crossed it is game over. If other people feel the same as I do, or in the coming weeks and months start to get that feeling, the descent into chaos is will be swift. It is time to bear down and get ready for a ride that I think will be like nothing most of us have ever seen or experienced. I hope not, but trusting my gut...

    Jan

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 7:25pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    The Red Pill

    I knew you would come around eventually.

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 7:54pm

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    It's kinda like with the Borg

    Resistance is futile...

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 8:08pm

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    Gloves again

    I wear rubber gloves.

    planfortomorrow, out of interest, why do you wear gloves for protection against the virus?

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 8:54pm

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    Mask (or anything else) manufacture

    Hey Mike from Jersey:

    In WWII the Japanese commander thought it was a big mistake for the Emperor to give the command attack Pearl Harbor. Why? Because he had been to America and seen the manufacturing base (Japan's wasn't comparable). He recognized the Americans would mobilize and retool their factories for the war effort. He had no idea jsut what  a devastating tool we would manufacture besides tanks and guns. It was beyond imagination, like US before 9/11.

    In the 1990s the Clinton Administration pushed to give China - run by a vicious regime -- most favored nation trading status. I kept asking myself why. China built up its manufacturing base, undercut prices, used slave labor, and manipulated its currency to undercut US companies and decimate our manufacturing base. Virtually everything we buy is now made in China. (I live in the midwest and even the pumpkin seeds come from China!). The Rust Belt saw its factories shuttered and its despairing population turn to meth and opioids. Recently it occurred to me why we gave them most favored nation status. So they would buy our debt, which the government issues for politicians to buying votes through deficit spending and the corporate lobby wants for cheap overseas labor costs, promting through campaign donations. Oligagarchy, plutocracy, as MMast suggests, is what we have going and how we got here.

    We don't retool because we don't have the sufficient working factories to retool. The only thing we retooled for in this pndemic for the average citizen was is hand sanitizer made by craft breweries at the bare minimum 62% ethanol concentration.

    Meanwhile, China is building fake islands and setting up military bases. We are now Japan circa WWII and China is where were we were then. There is nothing new under the sun.

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 8:59pm

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    Not the Borg

    No WestCoastJan, we are not the Borg, the Borg is group think and we have resisted.

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 9:43pm

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    Can't always agree with your perspectives, but respect your abiding love and cherish for "Your Lady"

    I don't have the answers either, and am more than troubled by the questions. However, I greatly admire and appreciate your apparently undying love and loyalty to your "Lady Love" in your life. Take care, stay well, safe and healthy and God-speed in all you do. 🙂

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 9:52pm

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    Don't want to be tested? Go directly to Jail, do not collect your $200!

    Hi folks

    We had a slight mishap here this week, with 2 visitors from the UK being let out of isolation on compassionate grounds without being tested, who subsequently tested positive.  Everyone is slightly up in arms but good lessons learned and I'm sure the same mistake won't happen again.

    In other news, I came across this wee snippet this afternoon...!

    https://rnz.liveblog.pro/lb-rnz/blogs/5eeaaece5946c99318a6f29f/index.html?liveblog._id=urn:newsml:localhost:2020-06-18T04:29:41.803560:be354a83-0993-4a33-9231-89b110fe7161->editorial

     

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  • Wed, Jun 17, 2020 - 10:01pm

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    I was not referring to us

    If you take the time to read the article linked in my first comment you might start to see things differently.

    I will stick to resistance to what 'is' as being futile until I see the plebs everywhere lined up, united, with pitchforks in hand, ready willing and able to do what it takes to reclaim our lives and freedoms, which also means bringing crimes against humanity against all the bastards who are behind all the blatant evil and brazen theft that has been ongoing for generations. I don't have much confidence left, seeing as we have let them get away with it for well over 100 years now... As was said in the podcast, how is it no one is questioning ever rising stock markets in the face of disastrous news everywhere? That is pure indifference in the ignorant masses. As long as that indifference & ignorance persists, resistance will indeed be futile.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 2:34am

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    planfortomorrow said:

    Hi Jan! If TPTB wanted a mass extinction event this would have been a doozy. Just decide together that we don't do anything to fight it, just claim that it's best for everyone to have herd immunity and let this thing go do what it do. It's a snap for these guys. Why ruin the entire World Economy has me scratching my head.  So, how's the rock garden doing! Feeding the block?! yet?  LOL...Be Good and stay healthy.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 3:02am

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    Thanks Sparky...

    I understand differences of opinion, no problem. I come to learn and accepting alternate views is a good thing. Sparky, I have been with my Lady since high school, 17 and 19 we were married and some how have arrived to this point in our lives better friends and each others greatest support. If I don't share this then who am I? She is my life, everything I do I do for her. No different that Chris and Evie. Every day is a flirt, small romance and a common purpose. When someone has this as the core in their lives they rejoice and are thankful for every minute. I am liked and I am not, I live with this as I do sleeping and eating, just life. I don't have all the answers for everyone but I'm pretty good at the answers that Barb and I appreciate and rely on so my gut serves us well. Be Good, you are a valid and important person here, so keep it up. We ARE heading in the same direction. Peace.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 4:16am

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    @Island Girl

    @Island Girl,

    A few notes.

    I know the story about Admiral Yamamoto's visit to the United States before World War II. After visiting Detroit and Pittsburgh (which were then great manufacturing centers) he returned to Japan. He had been awed by the manufacturing capacity of the United States. At a meeting with the Japanese War Cabinet Yamamoto told them, "if you make war against the United States, the only way you will make peace is on your knees."

     

    We have indeed been gutting our manufacturing sector. But in 2018 we were still second in the world in manufacturing after China. China had about 28% of the world's manufacturing. The United States had almost 17%. The numbers are probably worse by now. But we still had enough manufacturing capacity to have solved this problem if we had the political will.

     

    Finally, I must respectfully disagree that China is a "vicious regime." I have been to China a few times in the past decade. I have even lived with a Chinese family on more than one occasion. I have visited other Chinese families in the countryside. I have seen the continuing and astonishing improvement of their standard of living, especially the poor.  I have seen massive infrastructure improvements, countrywide anti-pollution initiatives, urban beautification initiatives, programs directed at the improvement of the quality of life of minorities and more. Even the militarization of the Spratley Islands should be seen in context. The United States and Australia ran a "war game" to cut off sea routes through the Malacca Straits, through which a huge amount of China's trade (including a large amount of their oil imports ) traverses. The militarization of the Spratly Islands was an attempt by the Chinese to protect that crucial sea lane as well as sea lanes through the South China Sea.

    https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/uschina-battle-it-out-for-control-over-malacca-straits/article7823567.ece

    The hatred of the Chinese regime, which one finds in the Western media, does not seem to be deserved. I don't see them as a vicious regime. What I see is a nation that cares about its people. To give you an example, I know something about China response to the Covid 19 situation. I was in China when the pandemic broke out. The picture that I uploaded (below) is a picture I took on or about January 25th of this year. It was taken in Yunnan Province. The boxes in the picture contain health protective masks. They had been delivered for distribution to the public. This is just one distribution point. It was about two or three  blocks from where I was staying. I left China shortly after this photo was taken but I can’t imagine that this was the only mass delivery of masks and I just happened to stumble upon it. I imagine that it was one of many mass deliveries. And this was in January!

    After I left, I was still in contact with people in China. Within a week after I left, Yunnan Province was shutdown except for essential services. At that point, you could not go into, say, a grocery store without a mask. They simply would not let you in. 

    Period.

    The government started subsidizing the sale of groceries. That reduced their price to only forty percent of usual. That was deliberately designed to compensate for the loss of income attributable to the  shutdown of non-essential businesses. Additionally, people who were quarantined were entitled to free food delivery to their homes so as to encourage them to obey the quarantine.

    Shortly after that they developed quick response teams. 

    In response to each new discovered infection, those teams engaged in contact tracing, quarantine, provision of necessities, treatment of the ill and so on. 

    Within about two months the disease had been virtually eliminated from Yunnan Province. 

    Yunnan Province has an area about the same as the State of California. It has a population of almost 50 million people. 

    Now, compare that to the response of the United States. 

    I know that I went on a bit about this but - due to my experience - I get really offended when people attack China. It is not a simple matter of "China evil" as the Western media portrays. 

     

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 6:43am

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    planfortomorrow said:

    I'm with you on this point and imagine that they have done some incredible things. What I like about the Chinese people is they collectively ban together as a village and protest everything. All the time and often. They do this with such vigor and seldom does the media tell this. They will protest everything, unafraid, and China's powers to be know this and do not want to over stimulate the masses because they DO understand what the people will do if they make mistakes. I think China's people weld a lot more power than we do but, we are a sleeping giant too and if pushed, we do have weapons to complicate things. We have history to show we do have our limits and we have always been encourage by our own constitution to make change if we don't like things and then change. Personally, I do hope China and the US find some common ground because as a culture I love China. What they did at their Olympics was unbelievable. Really beautiful and they couldn't have done better to show how they see themselves. Maybe the best Olympics, top five anyway in the History of the games. Very powerful. I too give this respectfully, they have their flaws but last I looked we grind knees into the necks of black people, guilty as charged people until their life expires. What a great way to show the world how we've digressed. Peace

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 6:57am

    Mohammed Mast

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    China

    We will have to agree to disagree Mike.

    Fuck China

    I work with Tibetan refugees in Mcleod Ganj (Dharamshala) I have been there. I have been through the Tibet museum. I have seen 15,000 photos depicting the absolute devastation of a country, people and culture by the Chinese. Simply put they are barbarians.

    There is hardly a day goes by when I don't see in my mind's eye a photo of a young Tibetan woman lying face down in the snow in a Himalayan pass at 20,000 ft. who had just been shot by Chinese soldiers. Her crime? She had given up everything and was walking to freedom. By the time Tibetans get to Dharamshala they have nothing, absolutely nothing. They get to the Nepalese border and Nepalese soldiers used to take whatever they had to let them pass. Now the Chinese pay them to send them back. I could go on and on about the genocide but I would be here for days.

    So Mike Fuck China.

    https://tibetmuseum.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibition/

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 7:24am

    Mike from Jersey

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    @Mohammed,

    I don't claim to know everything about China. I had planned a trip to Tibet, but it fell through. I hope to still get there as well as Xinjiang Province.

    Peace, my friend.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 8:26am

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    This Peaker masks up while biking

    If you don't think you need to mask up while riding, consider this: When I'm through with a fairly hard ride, my mask is quite moist inside. And that's on a sunny day in high-altitude Colorado, which means it would have been downright wet on a humid ride at sea level. So where do you think all that moisture would have gone without the mask? Right in the face of any rider behind you. That's why I try to avoid riding in anyone's slipstream. Same goes for runners of course.

    At a minimum, you can wear a bandana, but what works best for me is a mask with ties - I tie the top ties behind my neck and leave the bottom ties undone to allow for drinks when needed.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 9:11am

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    Lockdown forever?, CCP evil

    @planfortomorrow
    ...I'm still here! Yippee! I haven't nor will I get sick. Why? I wear a mask. I wear rubber gloves. No exceptions. I clean myself and I stay home unless I have to go out or escape to our property

    I'm going to suggest that that's overkill... unless you're living with someone particularly vulnerable. I mean, how long do you intend to be locked in your home? If the bad guys get their way (which they certainly won't for too long), this will go on for as long as possible, let's say well into next year. And you might not acquire immunity while other people do, by being exposed to tiny amounts of viral load. I'd say fear is one of the biggest factors to take into account: it shuts down your immune system (by overactivating the sympathetic nervous system thus attenuating the parasympathetic) and attracts to your experience scenarios/happenings/concepts of like vibration.

    Additionally, we just assume all politicians are liars and never, ever believe them any longer.

    Well if you learned this, you've already benefited from the pandemic. 😉 But add the formerly-mainstream corporate legacy media; the politicians wouldn't be able to do anything without them.

    I can't do shit and I'm damn tired of the debates, the racism, the cop killers and cop killings others.

    Remember that the racism layer is one generated by the MSM and their neomarxist narrative of white oppressors vs black victims, and that the BLM and Antifa protesters and rioters are funded and deployed by Soros and the globalists as destabilization forces. Americans are now so anti-racist that most are willing to go along with the black privilege narrative, which normalizes violence, theft, and destruction of private property so long as the color of their skin is dark because "muh racism" (notice how incredibly racist that actually is -- see the linked article).

    No more, I hate this shit and I am leaving, going into the woods and live as quietly as I can.

    Though if it's for this reason, then it's understandable. Learn to meditate if you don't know already, under a tree, away from noise if you can -- it can reduce stress, create centeredness, discern purpose/priorities, and even make one more intelligent. You can combine this with some relaxant (tea, gotu kola, cannabis, mild GABAergic...) to make it easier at first to get into a meditative state.

     

    @sofistek
    Chris, could you revisit the Dexamethosone trial results? It looks like you may have misrepresented what the results show. For seriously ill patients on ventilators it seems to improve their chances of survival quite significantly. Of course other better treatments should have been used early on but having a 30% better chance of surviving, if you get to that serious state, doesn't seem like something that should so easily be dismissed.

    It's just another corticosteroid, like methylprednisolone. It's already being used in hospital protocols; it was already known that it should be used early on, before inflammation goes out of control.

     

    @westcoastjan
    Loss of trust in institutions is the big line in the sand. Once irrevocably crossed it is game over. If other people feel the same as I do, or in the coming weeks and months start to get that feeling, the descent into chaos is will be swift. It is time to bear down and get ready for a ride that I think will be like nothing most of us have ever seen or experienced. I hope not, but trusting my gut...

    You're right, but the biggest secret is that it's really all about YOU, and the YOUniverse that you are. All the lies in (geo)politics are downstream from the lies about ourselves, the true nature of reality/self. External factors aren't as relevant as we have been led to believe. Ultimately, you are in control.

     

    @Mike from Jersey
    Finally, I must respectfully disagree that China is a "vicious regime." I have been to China a few times in the past decade. I have even lived with a Chinese family on more than one occasion. I have visited other Chinese families in the countryside. I have seen the continuing and astonishing improvement of their standard of living, especially the poor. I have seen massive infrastructure improvements, countrywide anti-pollution initiatives, urban beautification initiatives, programs directed at the improvement of the quality of life of minorities and more.

    That's only because they went from a genocide of 70,000,000 people, many via artificial famine, to flowing more with the capitalist order of markets after Deng Xiaoping took over after the death of Mao. It's like if I take over your house and kick your family out, then years later I let you back in under conditions of my choosing, for the purpose of me becoming more powerful.

    The hatred of the Chinese regime, which one finds in the Western media, does not seem to be deserved. I don't see them as a vicious regime.

    That's because you're not paying attention. They banned traveling in and out of Wuhan, except international flights out of Wuhan, ensuring worldwide spread. They lied and had their WHO parrot their disinformation about no human-to-human transmission and face masks not being useful and stopping incoming flights being 'racist'. They disappeared and killed whistleblowers trying to alert about the virus (which many are accurately calling the CCP virus). They're waging economic war against Australia and anyone else who dares push for an international investigation into the source of the outbreak. And this is just in relation to the most recent events. You don't know history at all.

    I know that I went on a bit about this but - due to my experience - I get really offended when people attack China. It is not a simple matter of "China evil" as the Western media portrays.

    That's likely because of communist brainwashing. It literally is Stockholm Syndrome. You're not allowed to criticize your masters under threat of severe punishment, so the fear they induce in you causes you to end up accepting their premises as true, regardless of any logic/rationale/evidence (which can't be true by definition, because they are good guys, as thinking otherwise is unacceptable/dangerous). Sorry to be this blunt.

    That's not referring at all to the Chinese people, of course. They are an awakening giant soon to overthrow their Draconian (more literally than most people imagine) overlords. In the long run criminal destructive ideologies like communism won't last.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 9:38am

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    @tbp

    @tbp,

    I am not even going to respond to all that.

    I am not Chinese nor am I a communist.

    And the sheer virulence with which you repeat every negative media story about China betrays your biases.

     

     

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 9:54am

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    You Go Island Girl

    You pretty well nailed it except you left out Walmart.

    There is the story of Rubbermaid. The Ceo (CR) met with the Ceo of Walmart. (CW).

    CW told CR you need to get your prices down. CR said we are as low as we can go. CW said well you will have to cut down on your labor costs. CR said these are Americans and we cannot cut their wages, it would damage them, their families and communities. CW said well "tough shit" we will be getting our supplies from Sterilite. They manufacture in China and we can sell their product cheaper. CR " we have over 300 employees at out Indiana plant. I can't just tell them they have no jobs" CW "tough shit" This exchange was face to face extremely heated and ended up with Rubbermaid off Walmart shelves. Eventually those jobs were lost anyway and Rubbermaid is back in Walmart.

    This is just one manufacturer out of thousands, that Walmart put pressure on. I have a friend who is a manufacturer and his product is the only product made in the US. He uses a local organization that helps disabled people to work. They do all his packaging. A new buyer came in and said they needed to source the product from China. He was told about the local disabled organization and the matter was dropped. It would have been extremely bad publicity for Walmart to throw disabled people out of work.

    Walmart is nothing but a Chinese outlet store. The rise of Walmart corresponds exactly with the rise of China. Amerikaans have had to shop there because good paying jobs are and have been shipped overseas. I absolutely refuse to shop there.

    Shopping at Walmart and other Chinese outlet stores is like crack. It feels good at the time but you will suffer down the road. It should be noted that a large portion of our manufacturing is in the production of raw materials such as lumber and mining which are shipped overseas.

    I am currently building and trying to find products made in the US is damn near impossible. I could not find one NOT ONE ceiling fan made in the US. Porter Cable used to be made in Jackson Tenn. They are now in China and their tolls are shit. The town of Breaux Bridge La. has a crawfish festival every year. This is right on the edge of the Atchafalaya Basin the 2nd largest swamp in the US. It used to produce vast amounts of crawfish. The crawfish served at the festival now comes from China. Frozen apple juice and apple juice from concentrate comes from China. As Amerikaan as Chinese apple pie. China is one of the most polluted places on the planet and we import food from there. There is no USDA or FDA (not that I am a big fan of them) regulating anything in regards to food production.

    http://www.livingtosmile.com/on-the-radar-10-dangerous-foods-from-china/

    China is not the only reason the US is in decline economically, in manufacturing, etc but it is a very large piece and so called Amerikaan companies are contributing big time, along with politicians like the Clintons etc. You cannot have a strong inverted totalitarian surveillance state with a strong middle class. There has been a systematic decimation of the middle class for over 4 decades, from the killing jobs to the killing of unions.

    So Island Girl I am definitely with you.

    I guess we are on our own

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 10:22am

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    Mike

    No Need to go to Tibet if you have been to China. There is no more Tibet. The people are worse off than Native Americans living on the res. The culture is destroyed, the monasteries are almost all gone and have either been turned into ruins or warehouses. Thousands of years of artifacts and manuscripts are gone. The native population has largely been replaced by Chinese.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization_of_Tibet

    The Tibetan people are the kindest, gentlest, most loving people I have ever met. What the Chinese have done to Tibet is a crime against humanity. I will never ever forgive China for what it has done to those people and that land.

    btw my partner has adopted 2 young Tibetan girls. They are the sweetest girls you would ever want to meet.They live in India and like other Tibetan refugees their fate is determined by the goodwill of the Indian government now under the control of that wacko Modi.

    Peace back atya

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 10:46am

    Mike from Jersey

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    @Mohammed

    Mohammed,

    I like to see things with my own eyes, talk to people and make my own decisions on things like that.

    Also, I love mountains. I also want to see the Central Asian plateau. I have been in the Himalayas before but never in Tibet.

    The problem is that I am almost 70 and I better do this soon or I won't have the strength to do it at all.

     

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 11:14am

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    Re the economic head scratch

    Bob, I am doing well, thank  you. No, not feeding the block yet - will need the park across the street for that LOL. But the City & many locals are actively planning for lots more community and helping to develop personal gardening for any and all living situations & spaces. I plan to get involved in that as a volunteer when it is safer to do so from the Covid-19 risk perspective.

    Re the economy, I do believe the answer to why it is being trashed can be found in that saying crisis = opportunity. The globalists will just step in and buy up / take over all businesses, real estate and resources on the cheap after mass failures everywhere, thereby furthering their control. They do not care one whit about what happens to the people. The more of us who perish the better as far as they are concerned, IMHO. Those that survive the pandemic and the economic fallout will live a highly controlled, dystopian communist style existence. I think there will be pockets here and there that are less affected than other areas, but life will still be very different. As discussed in the Kunstler podcast, it is only a matter of time before obtaining the necessities of life for the majority will become challenging, to say the least.

    Your plans are coming together nicely from what you have said Bob. I am happy for you and your wife! Your longtime solid relationship, a real rarity in today's world, is a form of real wealth, serving as a foundation supporting all else that you do. Best wishes to you both going forward, and stay well!

    Jan

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 1:11pm

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    Thors Hammer said:

    The face of the "enemy" often looks quite different when you are on the ground among them.  Another "enemy" that the US has been trying to overthrow for 40 years is Cuba.

    It is interesting to look at how Cuba has responded to the CORVID19 pandemic and compare it to the US.

    Cuba has twice the per-capita # of doctors as in the US.  In fact it has more doctors per capita than any other country.  It remains a poor country hobbled by economic warfare from the global Empire at it's doorstep, or by an inefficient economic system---- take your pick according to your ideological bias.  Fact is that it has a highly developed public health system in part due to being ravaged regularly by hurricanes.

    Cuba also has long term experience developing anti-viral medicines to combat tropical diseases like malaria and dengue fever. As a result it has available a full portfolio of potential anti-corvid19 inhibitors like Interferon-alpha-2.  So when the corvid19 landed on it's beaches in the form of Italian tourists it was better prepared than most other countries.  Not by having thousands of mechanical ventilators (with their 80-90% kill rate) but with hundreds of thousands of health care workers who were able to knock on every door once a week and identify those who showed signs of illness.  And once the potentially infected were identified, they could be treated by antiviral medicines  to minimize the severity of the disease.

    As of June 9 Cuba has joined New Zealand as the only two countries who have officially declared the corvid19 virus under control after 9 days without a single death.

    The facts couldn't be more stark.

    Cuba: Population 11,326,616

    #of confirmed cases: 2295

    # of deaths: 85

     

    New York City:  Population:  18,804,000

    # of confirmed corvid19 cases:  208,097

    # of confirmed deaths: 17,507

    Plus additional probable deaths:  4,692

    Looks like a health care system that was designed to maximize the profits of the owners leaves something to be desired.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 2:43pm

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    Coronavirus was present in Italy as early as December 2019

    Coronavirus was present in Italy as early as December 2019 (study of the Turin Institute of Health).

    Result obtained from the historical samples of the water from the purifiers of the cities of Turin and Milan.

    Here is the link to the newspaper article (italian language):

    https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2020/06/18/coronavirus-lo-studio-delliss-presente-gia-a-dicembre-tra-milano-e-torino-lo-dimostrano-le-acque-di-scarico/5840056/

     

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 2:58pm

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    racism is perhaps more nuanced

    tbp,

    The mainstream racism narrative is one extreme (anti-black racism needs to be addressed).  Yours (the story of anti-black racism has been misused to justify racism in the other direction - even violent crime)   seems to be close to the other extreme.  I would argue that it's more nuanced than this and that there is most likely truth to both.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 3:19pm

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    It has been confirmed in my state - New Jersey in the USA - as of November of 2019.

    The medical authorities went back and tested blood samples from unknown diseases (which they thought had just been a bad version of the flu) and found out it was Covid -19.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 3:50pm

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    Fauci and his cronies

    After admitting that he lied to the American people, thereby putting millions at risk of infection, shouldn't Fauci and his entire staff be fired and face prosecution. Reckless endangerment? Is Pence guilty of lying also? Millions of masks could have been made at home for basic protection if the "good" doctor had been honest and asked for the public to help. Thousands were made by volunteers. I'm so weary of the lies.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 5:17pm

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    Thanks for clarifying

    Sorry, thought you were, I'd hardly characterize this community as the Borg

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 5:24pm

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    Not characteirzing Chinese people as evil

    Not characterizing the Chinese people as evil. I too have experience with China. I know several Chinese dissidents. I know people who were forced to have abortions in the one child policy. And I've seen photos of the concentration camps where the Uighur muslims are held. I coudl go on, but I won't. As far as I am aware, despite our many faults we don't yet have that sort of thing going on in the US. Let's not create false dichotomies. I characterize these sorts of things as vicious - they offend my moral sensibility.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 5:53pm

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    Yep, knew the Walmart story too

    Yes, M Mast, glad you told that story. I remember it. It is truly horrifying how the American worker has been cut off at the knees. Like you, I have been unable to find anything not made in China. The odd thing is made in Malaysia or Bangladesh. I have no problem supporting workers in the developing world, but I take serious issue with paying slave wages and deliberate currency manipulation to artificially lower the price of your product to undercut the US worker and drive our companies out of business. Just Play Fair. The only thing I have recently bought made in the USA was Weathertech. I support small entrepeneurs when I can. I live in a midwern farm state. I recently bought a package of pumpkin seeds from a local distributor here. I kid you not, pumpkin seeds, you know, from the pumpkin farms around here?. Turn the package over: Product of China.  The point of my original post had nothing to do with the Chinese people. My point was that we negotiated away our manufacturing base for political and economic reasons , including financing our deficits. Now we are beholden for all things manufactured and since we are also the borrower we are enslaved to the lender.  So no masks, ok, because 3M makes them not in Minnesota but in China. Don't even get me started on the tech industry, we were lulled into creating monopolies - Microsoft, Amazon, Google etc. Now they are the only game in town you have to join a subscription service and can't even own your own software, movies etc anymore. I'll admit I was duped.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 6:04pm

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    Mike from Jersey

    I am going to flat out tell not a chance in hell.   They would never keep blood samples from november for the flu.  or any other illness. I have worked in the hospital and i have a relative that works in the lab and is phlebotomist,  I assure they do not keep samples this long.  In fact they should keep them about 24-48 hours in case the doctor will need to repeat a test or add a test, but 100% of the time when they call the lab to do so, the blood is gone already and they need new blood draw.. Even though we take about 1o times as much blood to run the tests for this purpose.  Its just not practiced. If you were to start to save blood from your random patient for the flu or other health issues,   we would be buried in blood knee deep.  So, as someone on the inside. I am sure they didnt go back and test flu victims blood and find covid.    I am sure of it.  this only tells me more deception.

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 7:57pm

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    Hologram for the King

    Great information Mohammed! Also covered in the Tom Hanks movie Hologram

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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2020 - 8:20pm

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    Good medical resources

    Anyone who wants more in depth treatments of what Chris is talking about should avail themselves of: medcram.com and drbeen.com

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 1:42am

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    China v West perspective

    Not wanting to pick sides here as I think China does and has done some terrible things and Europe/US has and does some terrible things, but just my 2 cents on a few things that stand out as being irrational IMHO:

    And I've seen photos of the concentration camps where the Uighur muslims are held. I coudl go on, but I won't. As far as I am aware, despite our many faults we don't yet have that sort of thing going on in the US.

    Let's not forget our recent history; that in forming the US, Europeans believing themselves to be racially superior committed mass genocide of indigenous populations and at the same time introduced mass slavery and slaves to the continent. I don't see why China's moral compass should be aligned to ours when it hasn't gone through the same things we have.

    They banned traveling in and out of Wuhan, except international flights out of Wuhan, ensuring worldwide spread.

    This makes it sound like it was China's intention to infect the world. Apart from there being no rational motive, at the time Western governments were busy repatriating their citizens from Wuhan by plane, so obviously our governments wanted international flights to be allowed. I was skeptical about the risk of this at the time and I doubt proper quarantine was observed in all cases, but that's not China's fault, that's on us.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 2:52am

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    moral compass

    phusg-

    Let's not forget our recent history; that in forming the US, Europeans believing themselves to be racially superior committed mass genocide of indigenous populations and at the same time introduced mass slavery and slaves to the continent. I don't see why China's moral compass should be aligned to ours when it hasn't gone through the same things we have.

    I'd say the CCP's current moral compass is more aligned with, say, that of Germany circa 1938, versus that of the modern-day EU.

    An observation: the closer you are to the tip of this particular spear, the less "theoretical" it turns out to be.  One man's distant concern over "moral compass alignment" is another man's very real concern over a possible forced organ transplant experience.

    And history may have some relevance for us today.  Do we remember what happened when Germany decided to expand its "sphere of influence"?  It was a disagreeable experience for the neighboring countries.  And it was also pretty expensive to roll back.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 4:07am

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    NZ, Turchin

    A couple of comments on Chris's latest video.

    Firstly, he again seems to imply that New Zealand did well with Covid-19 partly through the use of masks. I wish he would stop doing that, as it is simply untrue.

    Secondly, in the article by Peter Turchin he read this phrase, "In some cases, societies come through relatively unscathed by adopting a series of judicious reforms initiated by elites who understand that we are all in this together." I can't get to the full Bloomberg article due to a paywall but wonder if he mentioned any examples of this or is it just wishful thinking?

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 4:18am

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    Retrospective study of HCQ plus zinc

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1

    Not the greatest study, but, hey, it's a start....

     

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 5:07am

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    phusg said:

    One man's distant concern over "moral compass alignment" is another man's very real concern over a possible forced organ transplant experience.

    Nasty business for sure, and I'm all for nudging China towards more human rights as we in the West see them, but I think a bit of historical humility is called for considering our forefathers committed just as nasty genocidal acts in the not too distant past. One sidely calling China viscious, comparing them to Nazi Germany and saying that we don't do those sorts of things in the West only helps to polarize and we all know where that leads.

    I don't want to be too relativistic here, because as you say there are real world consequences to these things in the here and now, but in my opinion the moral compasses of the governments of all 3 world 'super power' countries are losing their way. I think fundamentally because they've all abandoned any form of religion other than the worship of their own ego's.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 7:03am

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    I am not interested

    I have zero interest in comparing Germany to China. I cannot change what happened 90 years ago. I cannot change what is happening now. What I can do is bring attention to the complete destruction of a people, culture and environment by the CCP.

    What is happening in real time now is genocide. Yes it is what white Euros did to Native Americans. That is in no way an excuse for the Chinese. Are there dissidents in China? Of course, and they are as powerless as Amerikaans to effect change.

    China is at economic war with the west. This is an indisputable fact. With a population of 1.4 billion people it has to suck up every resource it can and sell it to as many people as it can. If it doesn't the fat cat politicos will have trouble maintaining their heads on their torsos.

    The Chinese have no problem doing economically to everyone else what they are doing to Tibet. I get that Amerikaans are geographically challenged and myopic when it comes to the rest of the world. Most could not have located Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, etc. until we bombed the shit out of them.

    There is a great big world out there, unfortunately it is a giant geopolitical chessboard on which we are the pawns. The only vote we have is with our feet. We can choose to support a totalitarian regime that is committing genocide or not. The evidence is clear if one cares to look. Just take a drive through the "rust belt" . That is not the past that is the future.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 7:12am

    Mike from Jersey

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    @nordicjack

    Nordicjack,

    I respect what you are saying and your experience, but I am not making this up.

    This is one of the stories on it.

    https://news.yahoo.com/belleville-mayor-coronavirus-antibodies-heres-194441834.html

    In this particular case, the man was ill in November. He was not ill since. It was originally thought to be a flu but later, on testing, he showed antibodies for Covid 19, indicating that the disease he had in November was Covid -19. Now, this wasn't specifically the testing of an old blood sample but, in other stories, I read that there were plans to test blood samples as far back as June or July. Now, in the other stories, I do not remember the details of who planned on doing the testing or how the samples were preserved or by whom they had been retained, but that is what the articles said. I read these stories quite a while ago because it was (and still is) unclear how long this disease has been in the population. But I clearly remember the concept of back testing and the intent of the researchers to back test blood samples.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 9:39am

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    phusg said:

    What is happening in real time now is genocide. Yes it is what white Euros did to Native Americans. That is in no way an excuse for the Chinese.

    Just to be clear I'm not saying that this is an excuse.

    Just that if we start thinking of the Chinese as viscous barbarians, then we're just lining up another world war, where genocides could well be around every corner.

     

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 10:05am

    Mohammed Mast

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    You are Right

    I will now start thinking of the Chinese as a convent of Mother Theresa's

    Thanks for the course correction

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 10:34am

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    I thought we were having a grown up discussion? Please come back when you've outgrown flippant sarcasm.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 10:50am

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    Is there profit in N95 mask making?

    If there is profit to be made, why hasn't the market been flooded with masks? How long would it take a company that has never produced an N95 mask to produce an N95 mask?  Feels like something is in the way. Regulations?  New masks need an FDA sticker?  How are imported N95 masks certified?

    What is really going on?

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 10:59am

    Mohammed Mast

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    I guess you missed it

    The genocide is going on in real time not just around "your " corner.

    The Chinese are vicious barbarians. I have seen it. Just because you haven't doesn't mean it isn't true. You want a grown up conversation present some facts. Or better yet go to Mcleod Ganj. You can see for yourself the effects of Chinese benevolence.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/world/asia/china-tibet-lhasa-jianglin-li.html

     

     

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 11:19am

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    Conservatives fear masks

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-06-19-conservatives-freak-out-over-masks-nonsense-irrational-fear.html Very good article from Mike Adams on this.p on how some well have a case of stupid 19.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 12:15pm

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    BC borders Washington, Idaho and Montana but has a completely different experience with COVID-19 than the US

    Hi Chris,

    I hope you read this. I think it would be great to showcase a jurisdiction in North America that has experienced success managing the virus. Our Provincial Health Officer in British Columbia is the same person who showed the world how to squash SARS back in 2003 when she lived in Toronto. Dr. Bonnie Henry has had write ups in the New York Times (see below). BC has a population slightly more than New Zealand. Most of the people live in the crowded lower mainland. There are 5 health authorities. My health authority (approx 800,000 popn) has not found a single case of COVID 19 for 30 days on Vancouver Island. The test positive rate is ridiculously low now. Early in the pandemic they discovered flaws with the testing kits so UBC developed a replacement testing kit. I think it is back in early March our province had tested more people than the entire US.  The BC government is currently run by a coalition of a socialist party and the Green Party. The government put the PHO in charge of the pandemic right from the beginning.  Also, BC's universal health care system enabled the hospitals to align services to handle the pandemic. Since the government owns every bed they aren't reliant upon patients paying for those beds.  BC also bought hotels to house homeless people to isolate those infected or at risk of infection. There is one negative result with all these positive actions, the opioid epidemic has actually killed more people than the virus in BC. Fentanyl no longer comes up from the states since the border was closed back in March.  I also attached an NYT article on how government run health care and private health care played out differently between Canada and the US. Remember, in Canada health care is administered by the provinces and territories. We do not have single health care system we have more than 13.  Dr. Tam is only our federal health officer. The federal health officer only coordinates between provinces.  We did have a coordinated response for PPE. Alberta ordered tons of PPE in January. When Trump blocked our supply of PPE Alberta supplied the country with its surplus.

    If you do want to use my name, just "Andrew" will do. I have also posted a government chart where you can see some stats.

    Thanks.

     

    Andrew

     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/world/canada/america-canada-coronavirus-comparison.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/world/canada/bonnie-henry-british-columbia-coronavirus.html

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/emergency-preparedness-response-recovery/covid-19-provincial-support/bc-restart-plan?utm_campaign=20200526_GCPE_AM_COVID_6__ADW_BCGOV_EN_BC__TEXT

     

    here is the current dashboard for BC  https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989e3cda29297ded

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 12:45pm

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    barbarians

    Just to be clear, "Chinese" aren't vicious barbarians.  It's their government, the CCP.

    I have many, many Chinese friends - from the mainland, and from Hong Kong, and from Taiwan, and those born in America from Chinese parents who fled communism.  These people are NOT barbarians.  They are really good people.  Good people, with fine morals, a rich culture - hard working, well educated, trustworthy - the whole bit.

    The government?  This is the same gang who lied about "no human-to-human transmission."  Who deliberately allowed travelers from Wuhan to infect the rest of the world.  (Yes.  They really did that.)  Who lied about the "wet market".  Who stuffed that poor Chinese doctor who tried to tell everyone, and (I believe) eventually killed him when he became too well-known.  (Best hero: a dead hero).  The same group puppeted the WHO to lie about "masks not working" while they ran around buying up all the PPE.  And of course their seizure of Hong Kong 27 years early.  "Just because."

    And I'm not even going into the concentration camps, and the forced organ harvesting.

    The CCP are not good actors.  We should decouple.  Let them sort things out on their own.  I have learned the hard way in life that you should only do business with people that have a moral compass.  Otherwise, regardless of how good things look initially, you'll end up being sorry.

    Decouple.  Pull the plug.  Don't look back.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 1:18pm

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    Mohammed Mast

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    i must be wrong

    Dave agrees with me.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 2:41pm

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    BC - no surprise here

    Comparing Canada health system to the US health system is like comparing a elephant to a banana.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 2:46pm

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    re if no vaccine

    Heck we give all the vaccines twice now( boosters , second series ) and they still dont work - that is why they want everyone to have them so maybe there will be "herd" immunity.    the problem is they are chronically stimulating children's immune systems, and ultimately damaging them.  What they will have is a vaccine at best we will have to take annually like the flu shot. heck they probably would throw it in with the flu vaccine to make sure we all go into immuno shock ..

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 2:57pm

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    NJ Mike

    I understand that they think they have found a case that likely represents this has been circulating much longer.    But, as we know with antibody tests,  you could have gotten covid  later with mild symptoms and not known it.  Also, we know the antibody tests has limitations,  and could even detect a cold as a false positive.   So, I am not saying its not possible to be circulating since then.. But , this is not what i would call a fact or absolute proof.   Its a theory.

    -I am Jersey Boy too btw.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 3:23pm

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    Decouple. Pull the plug. Don't look back.

    Dave, that's one of your best posts ever. Bravo! Well said.

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 9:46pm

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    Island girl said:

    If anyone is going to quote me, or characterize my words in any way, kindly do so in context, because context is essential to meaning.

    My original post was NOT about "China vs the West". That is a disingenuous straw man representation.

    My original post was questioning the rationale for the US assigning most favored trading status to the Chinese REGIME and the consequences thereof for US manufacturing. My comment was about the decimation of a once vibrant part of our economy, the impact on the American workers, and why today we can't easily ramp up to get masks, medicines, etc etc etc to the degree that we might have as we did in earlier times when our manufacturing base was strong.

    I don't appreciate attempts to make my remarks about something else entirely.

    In my post, I specifically cited the Clinton administration policy which was the 1990s. That provides the historical context that this was subsequent to Tienanmen Square, 1989. Given that history at the time, granting the REGIME MOST favored nation trading status was baffling. If you don't think what happened was in 1989 was vicious that's your prerogative, but I don't need to be lectured on  my characterization of a regime that mobilized tanks against unarmed protestors.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48445934

    The rest of my post was a hypothesis about why that policy may have been implemented. I tied it to the fact that we need other countries to buy our debt to finance deficit spending. The facts that China is the biggest creditor nation to the US today supports my hypothesis.

    https://www.dw.com/en/china-is-united-states-biggest-creditor-once-again/a-40130043

    I do not need to be lectured at length about the Chinese people (never mentioned the Chinese people only the regime and the trade policy - context, context, context!).

    Nor do I think my objection that all is not rosy in China - still today- by alluding to concentration camps for Muslims can reasonably be called irrational  (ad hominem attack). I do not have any evidence the US is building such camps, perhaps you do, but China's REGIME certainly is and its been reported that the Muslim prisoners are used as forced labor for the supply chains of US and global brands, the irony.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2020/04/04/the-fate-of-uighur-muslims-in-china-from-re-education-camps-to-forced-labor/#1b8cc9cb2f73

    To me the whole policy was, and continues to be, an outrage that causes widespread suffering in so many ways and does not justify the desire for cheap goods in exchange for deficit spending. Your opinion on this may differ. However, I make no apologies for my view, I believe it to be reasonable and thus and worthy of being treated with intellectual honesty.

     

     

     

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2020 - 11:21pm

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    It is like I'm living in a different world here

    Masks all the time everywhere???

    Inside, in a crowded space, where distancing is impossible, yes.  Airplanes, of course.

    Outside, ridiculous.  Unless you are actively trying to infect someone it is virtually impossible to transmit the virus outdoors.   A study in China found that “among our 7,324 identified cases in China with sufficient descriptions, only one outdoor outbreak involving two cases occurred.”

    https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/China-study-suggests-outdoor-transmission-of-15229649.php

    My state is running a giant social experiment for the rest of the country.  We just started playing baseball and softball again.  High school and little league.  I've been to two game and have not seen a single person in a mask out of around 100 people.  A couple of people told me about games they went to and maybe 5 out of 150 people at those games were wearing masks. Most everyone generally practices social distancing.

    I bet by July our hospitals are still empty like they have been for the month and  a half since the state opened up.  Of course the national media will ignore this.  I guess places that are doing things right, getting along with life, and not killing their citizens isn't news.

    The hysteria from the coasts hasn't yet reached the middle of the country.  I feel sorry for those of you having to live in constant fear every day.  What went so wrong in NY, NJ, MA, etc. that it has traumatized entire states?

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  • Sat, Jun 20, 2020 - 7:03am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Thank You Island Girl

    Thanks once again. You are spot on.

    One piece to consider is the connection to the Clinton Admin and the loosening of trade with China. The world HQ for Walmart is in Bentonville Ar. Walmart is the largest private employer in the country. As I mentioned above it is no coincidence that the rise of Walmart parallels exactly the rise of China economically. Without the support of Walmart and other Arkansas corporations such as Tyson's (anyone remember Mike Espy?), Bill Clinton remains nothing more than a philandering lawyer in Fayetteville Ar.

    His mentor at Georgetown was Carroll Quigley, who wrote the epic "Tragedy and Hope". I suggest a read of that to understand the Clintons and the policies they promoted.

    Corporate Amerika in general sold out the people of the US.  GM gave its rare earth technology to China in exchange for he ability to sell vehicles there. IBM gave its computer technology to Lenovo. The list is endless.

    What many fail to realize is , is that national borders are becoming less relevant by the day. Modern day pirates in the form of corporate CEO's roam the globe in search of plunder. Their only loyalty is to the almighty stock price and its reward, options. This simple fact makes it crystal clear why 3M is unable or unwilling to produce enough masks for the US.

    There is all this talk about National Security. We are one of the most surveilled populations on the planet. Snowden documented how every electronic transmission is captured by the state and preserved in perpetuity. We have militarized police forces. We have NDAA 2012 sec 1021. The list goes on. We have supported dictators the world over to protect corporate interests (see Smedley Butler). We have overthrown democratic regimes because they did not toe the corporate line. (See Confessions of an Economic Hitman and The Shock Doctrine)

    This is a Zero Sum Game. Someone has to lose for someone to win. There is an adage in gambling. If you sit down to gamble and you look around the table and you can't figure out who the sucker is, it's you. The suckers are the Amerikaan people. They are fed a steady diet of how good they have it by a corporate controlled media (6 corporations control 95% of the news, thanks to ? tada Bill Clinton and the Telecommunication Act of 1996)

    But to get back to the issue of National Security. We have been subjected to Israeli style security everywhere in our lives yet we now in the face of the SC2 virus we find ourselves extremely vulnerable. The people supposedly in charge of security have no interest in our security. If they did we would have plenty of masks, PPE, vents, Pharmaceuticals made here, etc. Instead we find ourselves at the mercy of a totalitarian regime. Was this a miscalculation or is this a planned demolition? Does it matter? Do you think your vote matters? Chris has a Kubota tractor. How many tractors are now totally US made?

    The Amerikaan people are totally responsible for the rise of China. They have aided and abetted the corporations who sold them out in exchange for cheap products. We are now waking up to the fact that that comes with a cost. The people who benefitted  the most are the ones who are not going to pay the piper.

    I refuse to shop at Walmart. If I need a tool or something I try to source it used at a pawn shop. National security is buying local. National security is making sure your neighbors have jobs and successful businesses. Globalization is in now way adding to your National security. Sorry Tom Friedman

     

    If you don't know who the sucker is......

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  • Sat, Jun 20, 2020 - 10:46am

    Mohammed Mast

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    WW 3

    I don't think of the Chinese as "viscous" barbarians. I do think in some instances they don't flow to well. I do see them as "vicious barbarians" .

    I do think, as DFT does, that the CCP ie. the Communist regime is a gang of barbarians. I believe it is incumbent on good people everywhere to stand up and oppose gangs of barbarians. It is important to identify the perps and call them on their predations. The entire world has stood by for 70 years and watched China destroy Tibet.

    I have no great love for any state but I do recognize there are shades of gray. China is black. It is bent on world domination, first economically then completely.

    https://www.thetrumpet.com/13973-china-buys-panamas-largest-port.

    The Chinese are in Africa, Central America and South America. They are using USD to buy influence and whole countries.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/nepal-on-its-side-china-now-woos-bangladesh/articleshow/76475086.cms

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/economy/china-xi-jinping-africa-intl-hnk/index.html

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2019/10/03/what-china-is-really-up-to-in-africa/#2eca3c9b5930

    I have seen what Chinese domination can do. Tibet is a prime example. The people of Hong Kong are none too happy with CCP domination.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/20/china-unveils-details-of-national-security-law-for-hong-kong.html.

    The Chinese have now killed 20 Indian soldiers. There have been skirmishes in Sikkim.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-china-border-latest-news-live-updates-ladakh-galwan-vallen-faceoff-news-6467462/

    China knows no borders. It knows only expansion. Then there is Australia.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/28/world/australia/china-spying-wang-liqiang-nick-zhao.html

    It is time to wake up to what is happening right before our eyes. It is time to stop supporting our own destruction by buying Chinese crap from corporate pirates like Walmart. It is time to vote with your pocketbook and let the corporations know you know what they are doing to your community.

    So I am not fomenting WW3 . WW3 is upon us and it is going largely unnoticed. The alternative is that garden, that farm, everything you think is going to protect you and your grandchildren will be owned by a Chinese company. Tibet was the canary in the coal mine.

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  • Sat, Jun 20, 2020 - 11:22am

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    China and ww3.

    I agree that China is definitely in it to win it. They have a 50 year and 100 year plans while our foreign policy is a 5 year plan. They will crush everyone or everything that stands in their way. Your small hobby farms will not go unnoticed forever. I am in agreement with boycotting chinese goods. I had to pay a bit more for my solar panels but it is money well spent to not support China and their virus factories.

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  • Sat, Jun 20, 2020 - 1:18pm

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    Why would the CCP ever want to expand China's power?

    China is creating billionaires faster than any other country on earth.  The standard of living is rising rapidly.  The growth in the GNP is outstanding.  They are prospering and have hope for the future.  So why gamble it away with foreign adventures?

    The Central Committee is likely dominated with old party liners and aggressive newcomers.  Maybe they despise wealth and luxury.  Maybe they sniff out weakness and attack it automatically.  Maybe they see the West as weak and destined to fail.

    What totalitarian regimes have in common is they can not gain the respect or support of their people.  They have to snuff out the domestic opposition and conquer hostile nations or they perish.

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  • Sun, Jun 21, 2020 - 9:21pm

    Island girl

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    @Mohammed Mast

    I shall read the book you suggest by Carroll Quigley. I frankly had forgotten about the Walmart-Arkanbsas-Clinton connection. I do remember the GM sell-out. I shall read the vaious links you posted about China in due time.

    With regard to China's influence in the various hemispheres, have you considered the impact of their belt and road initiative? Loans and development projects that leave recipients beholden.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/explainer/what-chinas-belt-and-road-initiative

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2020/01/29/how-chinas-belt-and-road-became-a-global-trail-of-trouble/#1c773c3f443d

    Interestingly,  first two hot spots for COVID-19 outside of China (if I'm not mistaken) were the Lombardy region of Italy and the Qom region of Iran, both centers of Belt and Road initiatives, apparently with direct flights to Wuhan. I think the areas of economic cooperation were the leather goods industry in Lombardy region and nuclear industry in Qom. Here in the US, Smithfield foods (pork) is now a wholly owned subsidiary of a Chinese company. In the Midwest, we have witnessed a phenomenon of groups of Chinese people talking into cell phones at farmland auctions and apparently getting instructions on how to bid. It is hard to know because of the language difference but it is quite strikingly out-of-place behavior and they are very determined to have the final bid.

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  • Mon, Jun 22, 2020 - 6:22am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Thank You

    Thank You for your Service. ie. not buying Chinese

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  • Tue, Jun 23, 2020 - 2:38pm

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    Pushback on seatbelts in 1980s, masks in 2020... the American way

    I was late teens/early 20's when seat belt laws went into effect. I remembered a little pushback, but not to the degree of masks. Apparently the pushback was more than I remembered.

     

    https://www.businessinsider.com/when-americans-went-to-war-against-seat-belts-2020-5?fbclid=IwAR20FUUR65B0fKBcKd-bE4iZT3tMXouWuM1kuV4Y7nY8A4rMM2LIepJgkxI

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