The data continues to come in; omicron is exceedingly mild.  It’s a super-fast spreader, that’s for sure, but there’s nothing yet in the data to suggest anything other than it is not only mild, but the best of all outcomes; a fast-spreading, super mild version of Covid.

We’ll have to keep a close eye on it yet as it spreads across the world, but more than 30 days into South Africa’s experience with it confirms that for SA, it’s just not a big deal.

This hasn’t stopped many western governments from using it as an excuse to lock down their populations even further, or for the press and many fear-addicted individuals to hyperventilate over the possibilities.

 

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  • Tue, Dec 14, 2021 - 8:57pm

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    yagasjai

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    LOL

    Data hesitancy.... OMG... thank you, I needed a good laugh!

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  • Tue, Dec 14, 2021 - 11:19pm

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    More than just useful Chris!

    it’s  empowering. I’d say most of us are committed, and ’Called’ into this realm of being brave and speaking out. A lot!  We will win this. Paper covers rock, and Love cuts thru darkness…

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  • Tue, Dec 14, 2021 - 11:51pm

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    a case of the sniffles

    It sure looks like OMICRON! boils down to a highly transmissible case of the sniffles.  Mostly.  The ("natural?") modifications to the virus appear to have resulted in a much less toxic spike protein.  That's my read from there being no "day 8" issues seen in patients in South Africa.  I thought Delta was going to be the natural mass vaccination wave, but it looks like that's going to be OMICRON instead.

    This is really why the media and the governments are terrified.  COVID might just be over.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 12:00am

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 12:09am

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    Boosters

    There is a story of a man travelling on a bus and watching as another passenger every few miles would tear off a piece of paper and throw it out the window. He watched for over an hour and then unable to restrain his curiosity went and sat beside him and asked why he was continuing to do this. Ah, said the man, this is to get rid of all the Tigers ! When the observer stated that there were NOT any Tigers at all in the area he was met with a very confident reply. Well you can see that it works doesn't it .

    Fortunately we live in a totally Scientific world and we are all well aware of the fact that throwing a single scrap of paper out the window would not achieve anything. Scientifically speaking we all know that you would need to be throwing out at least THREE each time.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 12:27am

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    Nanski said:

    Thanks.   I think I've seen these steps somewhere before but found a readable link to this.

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2021/10/yeardom----timetable-to-tyranny.html

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 1:45am

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    Dan Edwards said:

    Yeah. That’s our new catch phrase. It’s perfect. Think of all the questions that can now get added onto the “fact” that there’s data hesitancy in that 30%. Trust me, they’re not gonna like their new label of data hesitant. Bam, thanks Chris!

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 1:49am

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    Dan Edwards said:

    Definitely. That infamous punch through message is forming. Thank God. Think about it, if all the captains of knowledge industry get behind the same message. That’s a good thing. I put it in the world. It’s already in the world. They do it all the time they name it and we call it real. Chartrand‘s got a name. Data hesitancy. I can’t wait till that stars spilling from my lips…

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 2:03am

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    Dan Edwards said:

    Nanski, that’s some heavy stuff right there. The link to the six stages. What does roughly correlate with what Kathryn Austin Fitz is pointing out. Again it can all be brought to a halt, as soon as more voices become one. That seems to be the race right now. Let’s break that spell  with some data hesitancy talk. T let’s  just keeps saying the words data hesitancy over n over, till it’s natural as pie lol! Can ya say Data  hesitancy  30 times real fast. Ha!

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 2:44am

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    master and his emissary

    I am reading an interesting book the title of which I have put as the subject. The author gives a quick overview of his book in this interesting ted talk





    starting at about 8:30.

     

    His idea is that the two hemispheres of our brain have very different roles, but not the ones we have been taught. The left brain is used to manipulate the world, very narrow focus, simplifies things (good for picking up objects, using tools). The right brain sees the world in a more holistic manner, tries to understand relationships, sees the world not as black and white but in levels of gray. He makes the point that the left sees the world as a collection of resources to be exploited, and the right tries to understand how things work together to create the whole.

     

    He later makes the point about experts in London who have never seen a patient giving him helpful algorithms on how to treat his patients for depression.  Considering the video is from 2014, it seems quite prophetic (guidelines limiting doctors from practicing medicine).

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 4:31am

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    For the hospitalized in South Africa, what is the treatment?

    We know that in the USA death has occurred from the treatment.  That is, no early on treatment followed by Remdesivir (which hammers the kidneys sending fluid to the lungs) and ultimately sending the patient to the vent until death.

    For the hospitalized in South Africa, what is the treatment?  Are they doing something differently that sends patients home from the hospital?  Prepare the terrain?  IVM? HCQ? Monoclonal Antibodies? Do they use Remdesivir? Even though omicron appears mild, with the Fauci protocol the USA can still turn this into a killing field for so many patients.

    Again, for the hospitalized in South Africa, what is the treatment?

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 9:10am

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    Boudica said:

    The Vax rate in Africa is very low.  It will be very telling if thr death rate in highly vaxxed countrie is much higher.  That could indicate either diminished immunity due to the jab or that the virus is being used as cover for Vax related injury.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 9:37am

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    cjannink said:

    Chris all I got to say is Thank YOU!!!!  Data, logic and reason are rare these days. We count on you and the Peak Prosperity team for all these things.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 10:22am

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    Youtube Dislikes

    Hi Chris. Hey not trying to be a Debbie Downer here, but is this what we are up against? Gootube dislikes on your video are just off the hook. Is this the viewers of the video clicking the dislike button or is this Gootube?

    Gootube Dislikes

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 10:54am

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    Omicron Season

    I've modified Chris' plea somewhat, to make it more timely.

    As Omicron Season approaches, please take the time to help those around you who are experiencing Data Hesitancy. It can lead to living with unnecessary anxiety, poor decisions and Authoritarianism.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 11:07am

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    Trolls and false subscribers on Youtube and Twitter?

    Nooooo, really?  Ha HA

    Though I wonder just how many "paid actors" there are clicking that dislike button AND writing those obvious posts to match and egg on the false narrative!

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 11:14am

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    Gootube Dislikes ***CORRECTION***

    Chris apparently I installed a questionable plugin for my browser that incorrectly showed dislikes. I've installed another plugin and now it shows the correct number which is much lower and much less alarming.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 12:06pm

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    Ready for today's protest!

    Thanks for the idea, Chris!! 👍🏻👊🏻

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 1:09pm

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    Forgiveness for the Data Hesitant

    Ok, I hear you-- the data hesitant are just brainwashed and it's not their fault.  I should be gentle with them until they see the light.

    Forgive me, I'm about to rant.  It's been a long time coming.

    As you rightly pointed out, I believe that the hypnotised are being encouraged to blame the 10% of Canadians who still have a facility for critical thinking.  For instance, in the last six months, I have several friends of many years who have told me: 1) I will  "just die-- like the rest of the unvaxxed" and, 2) that I have "no right to go to the hospital if... sick,"  and 3) that I am "just selfish" and "contributing to the death of who-knows-how-many" others, and 4) that I am just buying into "stupid conspiracy theories" presented on non-mainstream media sources (that's people like YOU, Chris and the FLCC, the VAERS database, etc.) who are willfully giving me misinformation-- which I am-- apparently-- too stupid to realize.

    Also, I am subject to three levels of  government who are committed to strong-arming experimental vaccines and segregating me and my husband from the rest of the world.  At this time-- and for the better part of a year now--  we can't go out except for work, shopping and medical (so much for Christmas with my grandkids who are a plane ride away.)

    If you want to see an example of what our Federal Government is pushing, copy this link:





    or search YouTube.com for
    FAMILY GATHERINGS.

    (Do it soon, though; this video is likely dangerous information that may soon be censored.)

    So, excuse me if I am not feeling so inclined to forgiveness.  Data hesitancy seems a bigger threat to the unvaccinated than the Pandemic. Was it Jesus who said, "Forgive them. They know not what they do?"  Seems to me, he was still the guy on the cross.

    I guess I'm a little cross about it all...

     

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 1:12pm

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    Omicrook

    Must We Segregate the Unvaccinated from the Vaccinated?

     

    As it relates to Omicron, two recent small but interesting preliminary studies show that 80% of the omicron cases were double vaccinated.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 1:56pm

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    Fear Propaganda goes wild in UK!

    • The propaganda for 'vaccine booster' is enormous in the UK.  More and more people are seeing through it now because the narrative is fraying around the edges.

    Trust in the UK PM Johnson is falling steeply since many exposés were leaked about his MPs' and aids' Christmas parties last year. 'Partying' was breaking his own Covid regulation. Now many of his own MPs (around 100) are rebelling against him and his further restrictions to deal with the Omicron varient.

    Just maybe, the UK is on the edge of seeing the propaganda for what it is: Fear Mongering

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 2:07pm

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    higher education: stopping the spread by spreading the exposed

    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/higher-education-stopping-the-spread

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 2:36pm

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    Reasonable theory that fits the observable facts

    I read a very reasoned analysis about the Omicron variant. I can't recall if it was in a post here or somewhere else.  Key points:

    It was lab created, as evidenced by the large number of mutations which diverged from the original variant, not any of the current variants.

    It was introduced to South Africa by Chinese diplomats, apparently accidentally.

    Omicron is mild in effect but highly virulent.

    The conclusion was that it was developed in China as a prophylactic measure to get things under control there. They did not want it to spread outside China since if China is unaffected and the rest of the world is affected the Chinese continue to have a competitive advantage.

    Not provable, but a reasonable theory that fits the observable facts.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 2:39pm

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    Re: Youtube Dislikes

    Interesting data...I can't see the dislikes anymore as YT has disabled them, but they are still in my YouTube studio back-end.

    As of a few minutes ago, it was a pretty typical like/dislike ratio.

    Over time that 99% should settle down at about 98.5% favorable if it falls in line with prior episodes.

    So I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I'd be interested to know if there's some sort of a disinfo campaign running...?

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 2:48pm

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    Thetallestmanonearth said:

    "This is really why the media and the governments are terrified. COVID might just be over."

    This is terrifying because it is clear the people behind covid aren't done.  If this peashooter is out of ammo, what weapon will they reach for next?  Personally, I'd rather keep "fighting covid" than find out what's around the next corner in the fun house.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 2:49pm

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    There is another theory about Omicron that we have not talked about much here.....

    This is based on work by a person who goes by, "Ethical Skeptic".  His or her point is that if you look at the mutation evidence we have, including the existence of Omicron, that an alternative hypothesis that the lab leak dates back to early 2018 better fits the data.  Here are some recent tweets, along with a link to ES's original long form piece from Nov. 15.  The money chart is way down the piece as exhibit 7.4, showing how it's unnatural to expect all of the mutations to happen so fast... but that a longer timeline has more explanatory power in this respect.

    https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/11/15/chinas-ccp-concealed-sars-cov-2-presence-in-china-as-far-back-as-march-2018/

    Some tweets

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 3:37pm

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    Unless it's lab created

    As I understand it his premise is that by following the normal evolution rate of a virus it must have diverged back in 2018.  If Omicron is lab created it could have been made after the initial COVID scam started.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 3:53pm

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    CrLaan said:

    aether22 I can’t read it ……

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 4:20pm

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    Shocking Ethics?

    Kwame Anthony Appiah. Kwame a British-Ghanaian philosopher, cultural theorist, and novelist whose interests include political and moral theory, the philosophy of language and mind, and African intellectual history AKA, The Ethicist in the venerable Grey Lady recommends reporting physicians. WTF!
    In the link, go down to the last response, after the Dog drama. Sure it's buried but it's there.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 6:55pm

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    @CBellu Iain McGilchrist's analysis of left-hemisphere function is very insightful

    I have been following McGilchrist's work for years and it has helped me to understand the limitations of reductionist thinking and why it is so difficult to reason with those who don't think contextually or holistically. They see only what is concrete and fail to make connections, develop insights, and have foresight. Holistic thinkers have those all-at-once "ah-ha" moments of real insight and then gather the data to support. They integrate both left and right hemisphere functions more effectively.  Reductionist thinkers dismiss holistic thinking because it is less accessible to them. Not recognizing how much they lack insight, they make serious errors in judgement and are often surprised by turns of events.





    This distinction is not new. The ancient Greek philosopher, Plato, discussed different ways of knowing in his Divided Line Analogy.  The ways of knowing, in ascending order, are illusion or conjecture (eikasia), beliefs (pistis), analysis (dianoia), and holistic insight (noesis). McGilchrist is able to explain the brain neurophysiology behind this, and its implications for our culture.





     

     

     

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 8:15pm

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    march at the Washington Monument on 1/23

    https://defeatthemandatesdc.com/

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 8:44pm

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    helmadi said:





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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 10:08pm

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    CDC vaccine advisers to revisit Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine recommendation - CNN

    Here we go, reverse psychology at work, mRna ones are forwarding CDC warnings of J&J jabs causing Guillain-Barre-syndrome, clotting and God awful other bad things and therefore they made the best choice in chosing mRna and everyone else should go take those boosters immediately to protect themselves from Omicrook and Delta and all rest of the variants, go figure 😆.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/15/health/johnson-vaccine-cdc-advisers/index.html

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 10:10pm

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    CBellu

    Ian McGilchrist's book, "The Master and His Emissary" has an honoured place on my bookshelf.

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  • Wed, Dec 15, 2021 - 10:33pm

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    An Exercise in Intuition.

    My model is that in biological warfare, you must first develop the Off- switch in case things spin out of control.

    The Omigod strain might be that off-switch, considering it's rate of infectivity and non-lethality.

    Two Chinese diplomats visited Botswana, the site of the release of the Ohmigod.

    Am I saying that the Chinese did it? Not at all. This event would take the services of a Master Geneticist. None of that calibre are found amongst humans. Messing around with genes, sorry, Morphic Fields is what Mantids Do.

    Are they done with us yet? Not at all. They have got something else up their gowns. They didn't spend all those resources to just turn around and go home.

    But they are up against our Intuition. We have got to fineness our talents. Some third party has guided us to remote viewing for a reason. The competition for Earth-like planets is fierce out there, but anyone who overtly tries to take Earth will invite military opposition, Not from Us, mind you, we are hopelessly primitive. But from Others.

    When Is-Be was asked about the Domaine's weapons, She said "Very Destructive".  My intuition tells me that 911 was a very restrained response to our attempt to nuke them on the Moon. References, various, Dr Judy Woods, Forensic Architect. We thank "Dr. Judy Woods" for her insights.

    Problems started for us when our Red Dwarf star, Saturn wondered too close to the sun which robbed Saturn of its Birkland Current. (Red Dwarves are very big, BTW.) The Red Ionosphere that shielded Earth and Mars from the prying eyes of Others was ripped away. Unfortunately, Mars did not survive the ensuing chaos as the repulsive electromagnetic forces stabilized our orbits. Venus was ejected from the sun and is still cooling down. Do you know how much matter is ejected from the sun when it burps? You're are about to find out.

    Bonus question, "Why are plants Green"? Green is the colour best suited to absorb red light.

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 12:00am

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    @ Island girl

     

    You are so lucky to have discovered Iain's work years ago! However, I now have the opportunity of discovering it (in the process of reading the book).

    I find it fascinating.

    And his point that reductionist (or narrow attention) has its place is also important. Think cutting vegetables for a recipe, careful focus on the sharp knife! But the proper tool must always be used for each job. As you say, often the reductionist view is used when it is not appropriate.

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 10:38am

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    When I was in Med School in the 90s, we were taught "the art of medicine," i.e. there are many different ways to treat a patient, and we should respect his/her wishes, in creating a therapeutic alliance. It was the bio-psycho-social model, which celebrated our uniqueness, and considered each individual in the context of their family, home, and work environment.

    And then Obamacare came along. It forced us to adopt electronic records, and began a long process of training us to check boxes, and follow orders. Many doctors spend more time staring at computers screens than they do looking at their patients. The doctor-patient relationship was severely damaged. Most independent practices were bought up by large hospital chains. Practicing medicine became all about following guidelines. 'The experts say you must do x,y,z. If you comply, you get a bonus. If you don't, you get a black mark on your record.'

    What the admins call "quality improvement" is really just social engineering on the whole medical field, including nurses. The goals are to increase prescribing of medications, make medicine into a series of algorithms that can be done by robots, train doctors to follow orders, and reduce the art of medicine into an industrial process, or assembly line.

    It has been a huge disappointment to me, both as a provider, and as a patient. I quit when I saw early treatment was being strongly discouraged, to corral the masses into this DARPA gene-drive experiment, which CLEARLY violates the Nuremberg Code, and the Hippocratic Oath, and common decency. I'm not sure if I will go back to practicing. It would have to be for a group that does what's best for their patients, and not a cog in the authoritarian system.

    One last point, I don't believe Obama had bad intentions, with his ACA. I do believe, as his star rose, a team was put together, then sent out, to "befriend him" -- Biden, and the Emmanuel brothers.

     

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 10:52am

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    Teaching too

    Same thing happened to teaching when they passed NCLB.  What used to be a mix of creativity, performance art and compassion turned into testing, rubrics and rigidity.  It has taken a couple decades but the new teachers churned out of our universities have adapted to the “new normal.”

    Kathy

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 10:57am

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    Arthur, I agree the Omicron mutations must have been inserted for a purpose, but it's more likely that purpose is part of a binary weapon. So, an accelerant, not an off-ramp. I haven't looked closely at this variant, I'm just speculating. But, we know TPTB are increasingly desperate to force compliance, and surely have some deadly surprises in store for us. The bankers are not happy with the slow pace of vaccinations thus far. The economy is failing and they need an excuse (virus) to blame it on, and a reason to shut down mass protests.

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 11:30am

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    RandomMike said:

    But plants reflect green light to your eyes and keep the rest, no?

     

    EDIT: De Nada.

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 1:34pm

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    Do Not Comply: Nullify

    Today is the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party.  I believe we still have it in us!

    https://unityprojectonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/nullify-flyer.pdf

     

    https://unityprojectonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/nullify-postcard-8.25-x-5.25-in.pdf

    https://unityprojectonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Did-you-Know-Fact-Sheet-12.15.pdf

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 2:38pm

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    Omicron deaths

    This tweet: https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1471490003804954644

    Contains this graphic:

    Which shows increasing deaths.  The scale is logarithmic and the cases seem to be peaking, so deaths might still be low, but it's likely not a common cold.

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 4:22pm

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    "A Duck!"

    The crowd murmurs in shock and awe...

    "Who are you, so wise in the ways of science?"---Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 4:24pm

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    Re: Omicron Deaths

    What a bizarre graphic.  Expressed as a "percent of Delta" and then on a log chart.

    So I really had to squint at it to detangle the likely signal.  At first glance it looks very bad, which I believe was the intent.

    However, it's actually very good news.

    1 - Cases are already at 90+% of Delta.

    2 - Test positivity is already past 100% of Delta.

    3 - Hospital admissions are just 50% of Delta

    4 - Deaths are just 10% of Delta

    5 - and most importantly because they are least subject to shenanigans - excess deaths appear to be just 8% of Delta.  In other words -92% as lethal!

    So far.

    That's what I was finally able to derive from that horribly displayed graphic.

    Edit:  Turns out people complained and so the FT crew redid it in linear form, which is far easier to interpret - at least for me.

    Not quite so scary anymore, is it?

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 4:46pm

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    Jeffrey Lapinski said:

    I have always found this odd, J & J has always been the odd man out in this vax - a - palooza.  I don't trust any of them but I have to say that the mRNA frightens me a lot more.  In terms of adverse events I think the mRNA vaccine has had far more.

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 6:53pm

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    JennyEyles said:

    • I went to henrymakow.com, but couldn't find this article. Do you have a link to it?

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 8:01pm

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    Can an Un-vaccinated Person Develop SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies if They Never Get Sick?

    For the beginning [March 2020] I sized this up and decided I would take extra of the clinical grade supplements I already take; add extra zinc and vitamin C [to what is already in my multivitamin/mineral supplement], and go everywhere I could go to intentionally expose myself to low viral loads. I've never gotten sick. I've been very fortunate not to get sick from anything, including a cold, for years.

    Can someone develop antibodies simply by exposure without getting sick? I've never heard or read anything about that. But when "everyone" around you has the common cold, or the flu, and I don't get it, am I developing antibodies without being sick?

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 9:37pm

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    Bonesaw93 said:

    In that situation you probably wouldn't develop antibodies however you can develop T-cell immunity which is arguably (and I would argue it is) more important.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7979809/

     

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 10:06pm

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    Quercus bicolor said:

    Thanks Chris.  You did a better job of explaining it than I did.  I was trying to point out that although there were some deaths, early trends suggested there would be far fewer than in other waves.  However, I would argue that the deaths point to a severity somewhere in the ordinary flu range rather than common cold.

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  • Thu, Dec 16, 2021 - 10:24pm

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    What we are up against...

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/16/omicron-symptoms-cold-runny-nose-headache-london-cases-shows.html

    LONDON — Symptoms associated with the Covid-19 omicron variant could be similar to those that normally accompany a cold, but experts are warning people that they should not underestimate the risks posed by the more transmissible strain.

    One British study has now suggested that omicron infections could be associated with symptoms that make it easy to mistake it for an everyday illness like a cold

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  • Fri, Dec 17, 2021 - 4:11am

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    CrLaan said:

    One last point, I don't believe Obama had bad intentions, with his ACA.

    Dutch Philips Health drank champagne

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  • Fri, Dec 17, 2021 - 1:17pm

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    JennyEyles said:

    Many thanks.

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  • Fri, Dec 17, 2021 - 1:17pm

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    CDC's strategy for monitoring and manipulating you

    Here's an example of CDC's communication strategy for monitoring and manipulating you.  https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/downloads/SoVC-boosters-8-26-21.pdf.  It describes its strategy of monitoring for trends in "misinformation" and then combatting it through overwhelming communication campaigns, and directly assisting social media platforms on what to censor.  It also reveals a campaign I hadn't heard of, but apparently there are now over 15,000 members of the growing COVID-19 Community Corps, a group of your fellow citizens being empowered by the CDC to persuade you to listen only to them for authoritative information.  And get vaccinated, of course, without listening to disinformation about ivermectin, HCQ, etc.

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  • Fri, Dec 17, 2021 - 2:23pm

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    Thank you for that link!

    That article is a good find. T-cell immunity would explain why I continued to remain well despite my unvaccinated exposure to the people with the SARS-CoV-2, and a blood test that didn't pick up any antibodies [because I hadn't been sick to produce them].

    As a licensed healthcare provider, neither my state nor the federal government could restrict my driving wherever I wanted to go during the "lockdown", and I carried the papers from my state's governor and the U.S. government [classifying me as an essential worker] that backed that. I drove to several locations in the state; enjoying life as much as I could during the down time.

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  • Fri, Dec 17, 2021 - 3:19pm

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    What Are People Willing to Put Up With?

    "For instance, in the last six months, I have several friends of many years who have told me: 1) I will "just die-- like the rest of the unvaxxed" and, 2) that I have "no right to go to the hospital if... sick," and 3) that I am "just selfish" and "contributing to the death of who-knows-how-many" others, and 4) that I am just buying into "stupid conspiracy theories" presented on non-mainstream media source"

    You need to lose some people who have been in your life, and find some better friends. If I had a "friend" that to my face or in text or email communicated any of what you say above, I would tell them to perform some expletive to themself, and never communicate with me again.

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  • Fri, Dec 17, 2021 - 3:28pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    Chris, I was scratching my head about the first one but the one the second one you posted is way clearer. Thank you.

     

     

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  • Fri, Dec 17, 2021 - 4:00pm

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    back to back emails

    This morning I received an email from Alex Berenson saying "Covid is over"

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/covid-is-over/comments

    The next one in the in-box was from the Oregon Health & Science University saying

    We expect an omicron surge
    Omicron appears to be spreading much faster than other variants of COVID-19. While early reports showed less severe cases in South Africa, we are seeing severe illness and hospitalizations in the United Kingdom and Denmark. OHSU’s lead data scientist predicts that Oregon will have another surge of COVID hospitalizations beginning in mid-January and peaking in February.
    https://www.ohsu.edu/health/coronavirus-resources?content=See+the+COVID+forecast+button#section-1349461
    Their model predicts a peak of 3000 hospitalized patients in early February.

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  • Fri, Dec 17, 2021 - 4:13pm

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    I wish I could agree

    Though I was gullible enough to vote for him the first time, I had to conclude he was a sham the whole time.  If you research his career you'll find that each of the people he ran against on his way up had personal information made public to torpedo their campaigns.   He clearly had deep state help.  I should have suspected something when my broker at the time (with Merrill Lynch) told me instructions had come down from the top that everyone needed to support Obama.  If you examine his college career you'll find that he was AWOL from Columbia for more than a year.  Nobody who graduated with him had any memory of him being there during that time.  Where was he?  I suspect the CIA.  His mother was CIA in Indonesia.

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  • Fri, Dec 17, 2021 - 4:34pm

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    Strap On Your Masks

    FART-21 the latest virus mutation evolves to evade host immune response. 

    To end this pandemic, beans, cabbage, broccoli, and cauliflower will be taken off the grocery shelves. Social distancing is recommended.

    New longer test probes are used to identify positive cases.

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  • Fri, Dec 17, 2021 - 7:16pm

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    Prairie Rose said:

    "we are seeing severe illness and hospitalizations in the United Kingdom and Denmark. OHSU’s lead data scientist predicts that Oregon will have another surge of COVID hospitalizations beginning in mid-January and peaking in February."

    It's spring/summertime in S. Africa right now, so everyone's vitamin D is increasing down there.

    We are also still generally less metabolically healthy up here in the States and Europe, so we are likely going to have a tougher time with it than anyone in Africa.

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  • Sat, Dec 18, 2021 - 10:54am

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    Unfounded fears

    Hi Chris,

    I've been following you now for MANY years (over 10) and have never commented before. I really do appreciate your analysis, and that is why I keep listening. However, I do think it a bit ironic to see you on the other side of the "fear fence." For years you have warned (a fear tactic) your listeners about an impending financial collapse. And while there has certainly been a lot of good indicators for concern, if the money I put into precious metals a decade ago had been left in Index Funds, I would be MUCH better off today financially. Now others are warning the public about our hospitals possibly being overwhelmed with a new rapidly-spreading variant of COVID (a fear tactic), and you are now deriding that fear. Yes, you are using data for your message (though we are still waiting on full Omicron effects), but then again you used data for all those years in the finance sector to encourage folks to get out of the market and into something more solid or sustainable. Anyway, I just throw that out for your reflection. I know you are super busy and get lots of comments and can't respond to all of them, but perhaps sometime in a Podcast it might be interesting for your long-time listeners if you touched on this. Once again, thanks for all you do in parsing data for us and for telling a story we don't hear in the main-stream media.

    Steve

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  • Sat, Dec 18, 2021 - 11:28am

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    "Good intentions"?

    The road to Hell is paved all with such so-called "good intentions",

    as in that misnomer of being "Affordable" in that bait-and-switch Act.

    It all just ended up doing the exact opposite, and in so many ways!

    What another boondoggle that turned out to be.

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  • Sat, Dec 18, 2021 - 6:13pm

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    Evidence for a mouse origin of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant

    • The rapid accumulation of mutations in the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant that enabled its outbreak raises questions as to whether its proximal origin occurred in humans or another mammalian host. Here, we identified 45 point mutations that Omicron acquired
    • since divergence from the B.1.1 lineage. We found that the Omicron spike protein sequence was subjected to stronger positive selection than that of any reported SARS-
    • CoV-2 variants known to evolve persistently in human hosts, suggesting the possibility of host-jumping.

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  • Sat, Dec 18, 2021 - 7:21pm

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    The Media Are Doing their Job Perfectly

    I think you've got it exactly backwards, Chris. The media are not doing a bad job informing us. They're not there to inform the public, despite you wanting it to be that way. Those days are long gone. They're doing a fabulous job of propagandizing and manipulating us. They are coordinated by the Trusted News Initiative in the service of the globalist agenda.

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  • Sat, Dec 18, 2021 - 7:36pm

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    Aquila Virtue said:

    Right, media works for their shareholders, follow the money and ownership.

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  • Sat, Dec 18, 2021 - 8:35pm

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    Mouse origin of omicron

    From a test mouse inside the wuhan corona virus lab maybe...

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 2:14am

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    Heavily biased and misinformed as usual.

    Yet another misinformed and irresponsibly biased article.  SA figures are not demographically representative of populations in Europe and USA, so using them as a guide is dangerous.  Projections in the UK indicate that 3,000 to 10,000 people could end up in hospital in a couple of months.  In Europe the same percentages are in play.  These are low percentages but we are dealing with massive (over) population numbers.   Just 0.005% of 20,000,000 vaccinated people means NOT ENOUGH HOSPITAL BEDS NOR the staff to manage them.   "Code-black", the point at which hospitals have to triage and turn patients away is close to being in effect in some hospitals within the Netherlands.  Already, people needing surgery for cancer and heart-disease have to find alternative hospitals or can't get surgery at all !!!  Imagine living with the hell of preliminary (neoadjuvant) chemotherapy for six months only to be told that the surgery to remove that lump has to be delayed...

    The argument that such large numbers of people could be treated with preventative medication more efficiently than vaccination is laughable given the narrowness of the treatment window.  Giving the average drone the freedom or responsibility to take action alone is a recipe for total failure.

    Ultimately, when the 'sheeple', influenced by BS rhetoric or religious idealisms, decide en masse NOT to take the vaccine and 2% of them end up in hospital they jump the health-care queue and displace people who DIDN'T choose their illnesses.  That is beyond selfish and arrogant, it's criminal.   Arguably, the injustice lies in the fact that governments do NOT act to punish or incentivize these people to do the right thing.

    People should stop spouting nonsense rhetoric for quick advertising dollars or social media clicks like typical corporate sociopaths and work on finding some nobility.  If the hospitals and medical systems could cope with the small percentages of infection we would genuinely be able to say that Corona is "no big deal", but anyone with an open mind and with sufficient acuity to use a calculator can see that the percentages need to be a lot smaller.

     

     

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 4:38am

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    People who force shots into others need to be punished

    People who play God and modify viruses need to be punished.

    people who force or coerce others to get unneeded, barely tested medical procedures need to be punished.

    people who suppress cheap treatments or preventions need to be punished.

    people who deny natural immunity need to be punished.

    people who fire medical staff in the middle of a pandemic because they made a personal medical choice, causing reduced hospital capacity need to be punished.

    there are a host of reasons people need To be punished and choosing not to get this shot is NOT one of them. Decided to get a vaccine is very personal. You gave the gall to call us sheeple for asking serious questions about vaccine safety? You want a shot, get one. Hell, get 7 or 8 per year for the rest of your life. Just don’t try and force your twisted crap on the rest of us. We aren’t buying.

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 5:31am

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    davidrussell22 said:

    Why would people with the sniffles and/or a headache have to go to the hospital?

     

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 6:09am

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    Vaxed more likely to be infected by Omicron?

    Here are links to two charts I picked up on Twitter tonight:

     

     

     

     

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 6:10am

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    AndrewOregon said:

    https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1472495177046663173/photo/1

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 6:11am

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    AndrewOregon said:

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 10:10am

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    Will vaccines save us?

    Ultimately, when the 'sheeple', influenced by BS rhetoric or religious idealisms, decide en masse NOT to take the vaccine and 2% of them end up in hospital they jump the health-care queue and displace people who DIDN'T choose their illnesses.  That is beyond selfish and arrogant, it's criminal.   Arguably, the injustice lies in the fact that governments do NOT act to punish or incentivize these people to do the right thing.

    If said governments did at least one of the following (preferably all of them), I'd say maybe you're right:

    1. Admit that the early treatments (single drugs, but especially multidrug, sequenced therapy) worked.
    2. Promote said treatments and serve as logistics/legal coordinator to smooth their adoption and delivery.
    3. Promoted the importance of early treatment to the public and frontline health care workers.
    4. Admit that immune system support and other prophylactics work (vitamin D, quercetin, zinc, vitamin D, exercise, stress reduction, healthy diet).
    5. Promote everything mentioned in 4 heavily.
    6. Developed and publicized an open, honest and data driven argument as to why vaccines might be helpful and for whom their risks outweigh the benefits based on age and current health status.
    7. Encouraged, but did not coerce them to get a vaccine.
    8. Developed and publicized an open, honest and data driven argument as to why vaccines might be harmful to those who are some combination of younger and healthier.
    9. Discouraged these younger, healthier people from getting a vaccine.
    10. Were open an honest about the prevalence of vaccine injuries, supported the vaccine injured using their full resources and limited/ended various parts of the vaccine program or perhaps the entire program if the true injury risks turned out to outweigh the benefits.

    But wait, they're doing the exact opposite of almost every one of those with the possible exception of 6 and 7.  How am I supposed to trust them when they seem to be spouting coercive, non-data driven, emotionally manipulative BS on these issues.

    And two final questions:

    1. Just how much of those people clogging hospitals are vaccine injured?
    2. Just how many fewer covid patients would be hospitalized if 1 through 5 were done well?

     

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 10:38am

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    Why haven’t we increased hospital capacity?

    Remember China building a hospital in a week or setting up Covid wards in the conference centers?  Heck Trump even sent the hospital ship, which still exists by the way.  We’ve had almost two years and we’ve done nothing.  If the fear, fear, fear, hospital bed shortages are real why is the only bureaucratic solution vaccines?

    From a science/health standpoint everything the bureaucrats are doing makes no sense.  They aren’t looking for solutions they are only interested in control.

    Kathy

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 11:02am

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    Doesn’t matter how many hospital beds of rooms

    They’ve fired staff members first due to cost cutting layoffs caused by the shut down of elective procedures and then from people refusing to get their clot shot. They brought this “hospital emergency” upon themselves and the rest of us due to their ineptitude. Are they incompetent or evil or maybe a bit of both?

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 11:03am

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    Number 6 and 7 "possible exceptions"?

    Number 6 and 7  are "possible exceptions"?

    How so?

    I see quite otherwise.

     

     

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 12:55pm

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    $$$

    Not necessarily incompetent or evil, they're just capitalists. So long as healthcare is based on the profit motive, health of the people will never be the priority.

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 1:06pm

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    No, that is just what the "Cabal" uses to enforce their will.

    When you can print currency out of thin air there is almost no limit to such bribes.

    And for those all "unwilling to be bought", they will use coersion and even murder.

    JFK and many others are clear examples of the lengths the "Cabal" will go to secure their interests and agenda.

    Carrot and stick, the dark method of corruption of body, mind, and spirit for literally thousands of years!

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 9:32pm

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    Quercus bicolor said:

    • Developed and publicized an open, honest and data driven argument as to why vaccines might be helpful and for whom their risks outweigh the benefits based on age and current health status.
    • Encouraged, but did not coerce them to get a vaccine.

    The only exception is that they aren't doing the exact opposite of these two.  After all a one-size-fits-all "get vaxxed" policy is partly in line with a "get vaxxed or not depending on your risk stratification" strategy.  I know it's a stretch, but I wanted to give them credit where credit is due!

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 9:44pm

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    Reality illustrated!

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 9:59pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    This Disgusts Me

    This absolutely has me disgusted almost beyond reason:

    If Trump had put out anything nearly as tone-deaf or divisive, the howling from the CNN-set would have been 140 decibels and non-stop.

    And rightly so.  There are so many ways that second sentence is a total and complete fail.  Alexandros did a good job summarizing:

    I don't see how we recover from this.  "They" - as predicted - are doubling down.

    Data says omicron is exceptionally mild compared to delta.  And the vaxxed catch it in even greater proportions than the unvaxxed.  This means the entire premise of the "YOU HAVE TO GET VAXXED!"  is completely shredded.

    In a normal world, adults would reevaluate their stance, adjust and move on.  In clown world, these buffoons simply double down on their idiocy.  I can't imagine them coming round.  So I think this all gets worse (perhaps a lot worse) before it gets better.

    Did I mention I am disgusted by this?

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 11:32pm

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    Muppet Biden

    Don’t give Grandpa muppet too much credit Chris... He does look the baffoon but his handlers are a clever bunch. Gosh I wish I knew their timeline. It would help me know where to concentrate my efforts, break ground on another house for my mother-in law, build a barn and drastically expand the gardens... so many things and seemingly so little time.

     

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  • Sun, Dec 19, 2021 - 11:57pm

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    This disgusts me

    This Omicron subplot has been a good encapsulation of why this site is so valuable.

    Within hours of its breathless unveiling Chris was there explaining that this was either The Big One that guys like Geert had been warning about or a nothingburger and noted the lack of evidence of a problem straight away.

    The background in Mass Psychosis helped me to prepare mentally for that Whitehouse statement and this:

     




    "Denmark says the pandemic's toughest month is just beginning."

    The governments of the world are going to make Omicron into not just another variant, but the absolute worst of them all.  Far deadlier than anything we've seen before.

    So you've had a good few weeks of lead time to prepare for that outcome in whatever ways you've needed to.    My family have been making a point of enjoying...  those parts of the outside world that we know we will soon lose access to for a while again.

    Having this minor degree of control is actually pretty comforting.

    But more than this, Chris' comment made me want to relate a feeling Ive had about navigating the growing craziness.

    I see the next several years being filled with social interactions not unlike having a disheveled homeless man run up to you on the street waving a banana at you and screaming, "Its a call for you.  Take it.   TAKE IT!!!!"

    How you will respond in that moment is all about context, your personal comfort levels and tendencies and even your mood.   But you must realize that a situation that has a non-zero chance of ending up in a stabbing.

    You can't just righteously yell: "Thats a frozen banana you moron, I've got useful things to attend to, so bugger off."   Telling the truth can now have very negative and even deadly consequences.

    I keep thinking about how to build my "de-escalation" and deflection skills.   How do I conduct myself in ways that help calm the nutjobs, (or at least not inflame them further) while telegraphing to all the other people with their eyes firmly on the floor that I see whats going on here too?

    Wish I had a bunch of answers to offer, but maybe the braintrust here can recommend resources on dealing with people who are in that "on the ledge" state of mind so as to minimize the chances of harm (directed in any way).

    I think this may be a survival skill that we are overlooking somewhat.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 12:31am

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    nordicjack

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    Disgust is not strong enough word

    Revolting, repulsive, repugnant, detesting and out-right offensive.   I cant wait until tuesday.   As a governor, or government to make such claims that are clearly unwarranted it beyond reprehensible.

    But this disgusting excuse for a white house administration is just a crime against the majority that never voted for them and even those few that did.  Its a real disaster.  And there is nothing that this administration does that doesn't prove that they hate the citizens of America, mainly the true American patriots that love and gave their health and lives for our way of life.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 1:42am

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    davefairtex

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    a case of the sniffles

    Yeah.  Omicron is going to overwhelm hospitals with cases of the sniffles.

    Malone's "Omicron Today":

    https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/omicron-today

    This College of London study shows that the top five symptoms reported for omicron infection are runny nose, headache, fatigue (either mild or severe), sneezing, and sore throat. This study is in line with what the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the World Health Organization, and European countries such as Spain and France had all updated their advice. The authors recommend that the National Health Service should also amend their advice on Omicron.

    This study is important because it is more evidence that 1) symptoms are more mild and 2) more evidence that Omicron has evolved to infect the upper respiratory system more readily than the lower respiratory tissue (see my earlier substack article on this topic).

    The part in bold is key.  The new location is what makes it less lethal.  I'm 50% convinced this is an engineered airborne vaccine put into circulation by the CCP to give "free vaccines" to the Mainlanders, and it managed to sneak out of China (as these things often do) and now it is airborne-vaccinating the world.  If true, then the CCP is probably really annoyed this got loose.

    So what happens when all the breathlessness blows up?  It won't affect the hypnotized 30%, but the 40% in the middle might really start to question.

    Note that only 32% of the "fully vaxxed" (themselves just 72% of total pop 18+) have been "boosted."  Call "the hypnotized" about 22% - of the 18+ group.

    Notice how they made the "booster dose" column "percentage of fully vaxxed" rather than percent of population.  This tricked me before into thinking booster uptake was higher than it actually was.

    Booster uptake sucks.

    from here:

    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-people-onedose-pop-5yr

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 2:23am

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    Death of hospitals? Just another Brandonism

    Is that statement even real?  I poked around the wh.gov briefing room trying to find that quote.  I couldn't find it....Coming from the White House, it doesn't have to make sense, but "....severe illness and death....for the hospitals you may soon overwhelm." just sounds stupid.  If true, I'm beyond disgusted, I'm feeling backed into a corner, which rarely has a good ending..... "Let's go Brandon!".  Aloha, Steve.

    Edit: I just read the entire transcript of Brandon's commencement speech to SCSU looking for that quote.  Didn't find it there, but Jeez,  our President is a moron at the podium.  Xi and Putin must be licking their chops, while the rest of the world is wondering- like us- WTF?

    Edit 2- found the quote in his remarks on Dec. 16 after meeting with CV-19 (lack of) Response Team.   Transcribed slightly differently there: "For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm."   Quite possibly worse blathering than the commencement speech.....

    Admin:  Here's the direct link: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/12/17/press-briefing-by-white-house-covid-19-response-team-and-public-health-officials-74/

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 3:41am

    Mpup

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    If they can change the definition of "vaccinated"

    They can change the definition of "covid," and the craze continues ad nauseum.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 4:26am

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    Mysterymet

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    Exit policies from blue states

    Hey guys if you live in a blue state do you have an exit policy to get to a red state before its too late? Just remember, when you move here, don’t vote for the same shit that screwed up your last state.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 5:12am

    Canuckian

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    Canuckian said:

    The statement is real. Checked it out myself. Could scarcely believe my eyes.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/12/17/press-briefing-by-white-house-covid-19-response-team-and-public-health-officials-74/

     

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 6:47am

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    This lady is not hypnotized…. 97 seconds of brilliance

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/3CRTd08ontim/

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 10:15am

    GBruno1600

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    "MUCH better off financially"?

    Sure, on paper or on a computer screen, perhaps.

    But, all such gains are realized only when and if it is in your own hands.

    The rest is illusion and delusion.

    Some have still not learned the lessons of speculation from 2008 and 1929.

    When the "Cabal" is no longer either able or willing to prop it all up,

    the mother of all multiple bubbles will burst all at once and quickly.

    It is not a mathematical matter of if, but, only of when this will happen.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 10:42am

    GBruno1600

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    #67.

    Where's the disclaimer?

    "This post has been sponsored by Pfizer"!

     

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 1:09pm

    jnicole

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    Narcissist Personality Disorder

    I have a parent that has NPD, as this story has unfolded in the last two years, I can't help but notice the paradigm.  One of the best ways to deal with a person that has this disorder is to minimize or go no contact.  Certainly, that can prove to be difficult with the mass.  Unfortunately, it might be the healthiest thing mentally to do.  You have to remove yourself from the programming and get on with your best life.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 2:30pm

    davefairtex

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    NPD

    jnicole-

    I had this great talk with my older sister - it was on a beach - about 15 years ago.  "Hey, so we kinda figured out - Dad probably has NPD."  Everything fell into place.  It explained literally everything.

    I agree - breaking contact and living your best life really is the answer.  There really is no "fixing" NPD.  Ultimately, that's because the people suffering from it don't believe they have a problem.

    At the same time, a spiritual teacher tells me that we choose our parents before we are born.  We have a plan coming in.  Our parents set us on our life track.  She asked me, "why do you think you chose these particular parents?"

    That was an interesting question.  Empowering, actually.

    The gang in charge most definitely remind me of "stuff I have seen before growing up."  Interesting.  Maybe that's why I'm "mostly immune" to the bullshit propaganda paradigm.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 2:33pm

    Primary Care_MD

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    Machiavellian, manipulative, govt by Mafia

    “The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”

    --Henry Kissinger

     

    “The vaccinated we do away with immediately. The unvaccinated take a little longer.”

    --Biden's handlers

    .....

    'Listen up, my weather forecaster, Sal, tells me your red state is gonna a get hit with a real bad tornado, tomorrow, 10 pm. When yous die, we list yous as a unvaccinated covid death. Capice?'

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 2:43pm

    Ra.

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    Ra. said:

    Yup. The data in U.K. shows more than 2/3 of those in our hospitals with Covid have not been vaccinated. 90% of those in high dependency wards or in ICUs are unvaccinated.

    I think that everybody has the right to choose not to be vaccinated. But perhaps they are also choosing to prevent others (who have not chosen to get, say cancer) getting the full attention they deserve. Our medical staff are on their knees and still have to show compassion to these ‘victims’.

    S.A. has the opposite conditions to U.K.  Summer there, younger population. They have a population of 60 million  in a land area 5 times the size of the U.K.

     

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 3:19pm

    Guinify

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    Guinify said:

    I don't know about the proportion of vaxd vs unvaxed in hospitals, but I do know Pfizer's own trial data shows higher call cause mortality in the trial group than the control group. If the person needing a hospital bed is there for vax-induced cardiac reasons or cancer because their t-cells were crushed, was it really better for them to have taken the shot? Unfortunately, people are unaware that they have chosen to take on the extra risks when taking the shot because there isn't adequate informed consent.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 3:24pm

    snowdrifter

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    Alex Berenson suggests a good tactic I believe

    If the vaccines work, what’s going on?

    And if they don’t, why on earth would anyone not at very high risk from Covid agree to participate in further rounds of this failed experiment? Much less allow their kids to be vaccinated?

    One question. One that leads to a hundred more.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-god-that-failed

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 3:24pm

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    sand_kitty

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    Confirm Hospitalized From Severe COVID in the USA are unvaxxed

    My circle of medical friend's experiences confirm this trend Ra just mentioned.

    Those being admitted to the hospital sick from COVID are 80%-90% unvaccinated.

    Almost none got any early treatment.

    So it is the impression of most of my traditional medical friends that the vaccines greatly reduce deaths from COVID.

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    And the many diseases that we admit to the hospital with thrombotic origins are not linked to the vaccine.  This may be right or wrong.  We don't know and nobody seems to be trying to know, either.  (MI, Strokes, PE, DVT, Peripheral Vascular Disease, Sudden Cardiac Death, etc.)

    Too bad we don't have solid numbers on the morbidity and mortality from the vax.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 3:48pm

    skywolf

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    50% of Covid patients in UK admitted with something else, covid incidental

    See the latest John Campbell video, at about 2 minutes.  He also had data at one point in SA that that was about 70%.





     

     

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 3:56pm

    snowdrifter

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    Similar here

    Pretty much all the opinions I hear from BC, AB, MB are similar.

    I had to intubate a couple of guys in respiratory failure this summer – the Intensivist said it was covid – I don't argue just do my bit. I got my covid about a week after that exposure so now I'm good. But that does not mean that anyone who matters believes I'm good though.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 5:53pm

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    No. It seems you're repeating the false mainstream talking points

    Omicron is much less deadly in South Africa than prior strains were in South Africa. All from worldometer:

    Approximate average values during the quiet period between delta and omicron:

    • daily deaths: 20.
    • daily cases: about 360.

    Values during omicron:

    • 7 day average cases 18 days ago (Dec 1) (about 18 days from diagnosis to death on average): 3797
    • 7 day average deaths dec 19: 30

    So cases on an 18 day delayed basis have increased by a factor of 10.5 since the minimum and deaths as of today have increased by a factor of 1.5

    This suggests that omicron is 1.5/10.5 or about 14% as deadly as delta in South Africa.

    Note also that omicron cases may have already peaked, meaning we aren't going to get such a huge peak in cases that there are a large number of deaths even with a low death rate.  I bet that there have already been a huge number of undetected asymptomatic and low symptom cases already.

    I have a question.  Are you going to keep looking for mainstream talking points that support your story so that you can repeat them in places like PP (and not have to change your own narrative).  Or are you going to look at the data and adjust your own narrative if the data warrants it?

    I know this sounds snarky, but I don't mean it this way.  I've been there before and I'm sure there's are at least some places in my life where I'm clinging to a false narrative because changing it comes at a very high cost.

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  • Mon, Dec 20, 2021 - 6:00pm

    Ra.

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    Ra. said:

    There are very few people in hospital with Omicron at the moment, the bulk of Covid patients are infected with Delta. It is too soon in the run of disease progression for many people to appear because of Omicron. To be fair a percentage of patients with Delta in our hospitals are there for other reasons and happen to have Covid.

    I personally hope as the Delta is displaced by Omicron, hospital admissions will drop regardless of vaccine status.

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