As time rolls on and the months go by, more data is becoming available around the actual efficacy, safety and other attributes of the new experimental mRNA technologies which have been injected into now billions of people. And that data becomes less and less convincing and reassuring by the minute.
At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days. In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.
Our public health “leaders” and their sole reliance on vaccines alone to mitigate the public health disaster of COVID-19 has proven a short sighted and flat footed strategy for a complex problem requiring a multi-pronged and nuanced set of solutions. 

Better luck next time? Not likely.

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  • Tue, Oct 19, 2021 - 7:46pm

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    If the data doesn't fit the agenda – then just change the science....

    As posted earlier, the whole premiss of jab-passports & waxing the young was to ‘protect others’.
    But if you complain about the high numbers of cases in the vaccinated, you’re told: “that’s not how vaccines work, dummy – they only prevent serious illness"...
    The trouble is, they’re not very good at that either – especially when you allow for jab injury & ADE….

    If the facts don’t fit the program – then they just change the science. But if you have the audacity to question this pseudoscience – then you’re accused of spreading ‘dangerous misinformation'.

    Gigaohmbiological has been posting some great videos this week - a former DRASTIC member who's been calling out the pseudoscience that the vaccine manufacturers & MSM have been pushing on the public:




     

     

     

     

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  • Tue, Oct 19, 2021 - 9:04pm

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    Island girl

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    Brought to you by....Pfizer

    https://twitter.com/ke11ybender/status/1450519193216970756?s=21

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  • Tue, Oct 19, 2021 - 9:11pm

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    Canada's data-deaf Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Theresa Tam is still going for herd immunity

    It's so hard to keep up to date with scientific developments in backwoods places like Toronto and Ottawa when the dogsleds bringing in the newspapers can't run due to lack of snow.

    Here's a Canadian news report from only a few days ago:

    “Delta variant, of course, being more transmissible has led to an increase in vaccine coverage level requirement to help move towards community immunity, or herd immunity,” Tam said. Herd immunity — when enough people have been vaccinated that COVID-19 can no longer thrive — has been described as the finish line for the pandemic: if only enough people get vaccinated, Canada could cross that line and life could return more or less to normal. (says the article) It also quotes Public Health Ontario, which says to achieve "herd immunity" would require "over 100 per cent of the vaccine-eligible population" (I am not sure how that is possible but hey I am no mathematician).

    https://globalnews.ca/news/8236776/canada-covid-19-herd-immunity-theresa-tam/

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  • Tue, Oct 19, 2021 - 9:20pm

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    LinLamb said:

    Wow.  We don't see regular tv so this is an eye opener!

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  • Tue, Oct 19, 2021 - 9:24pm

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    What about those of us who have natural immunity?

    For those of us who have not taken the jab, but have natural immunities from a severe case of Covid … should we be concerned with catching the virus again from the vaccinated?  Should we be cautious?  Are we essentially immune from catching a second case. How common is a second Covid case?

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  • Tue, Oct 19, 2021 - 11:18pm

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    goodrich4bk said:

    I first saw this paper discussed on the Jimmy Dore Show, a left leaning comedian's youtube channel.  He is generally trustworthy, but I trust Chris' analysis about medical studies more than a comedian's (please take no offense, Jimmy), so I waited to see Chris' take.  His is the same as Jimmy's.

    These sorts of countrywide data analyses can be a bit misleading, so I wouldn't draw any firm conclusions yet from this study.  Assuming it is internally accurate (no mistakes or made up data) Chris's observations are very reasonable.  One explanation for the surprise (i.e., that there appears to be no correlation between percentage of a population vaccinated and the current case infection rate) may be that countries with a raging Covid infection rate see higher percentages of their population get vaccinated.  In other words, there is a correlation here, just not in the direction we expected.  A country that has seen a recent dramatic climb in Covid cases is likely to be a country where a lot of people are going to get vaccinated.  So a higher infection rate may well be correlated to a high vaccination rate without it being evidence that vaccination do not reduce transmission.

    That said, the study required "full" vaccination, meaning that for everything but the J&J, which is a small percentage of all delivered vaccines, the percentage of fully vaccinated would have required the vaccinated to start the process of vaccination much earlier than the week when the case infection rate was determined.  In other words, it is probably not likely that the unexpected data is driven by populations that are suddenly getting vaccinated as a response to a sudden increase in case infections, as the study assume too much of a delay between those two events.

     

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  • Tue, Oct 19, 2021 - 11:25pm

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    Thetallestmanonearth said:

    Nothing to add, just thank you for everything you do.  I've been here since 2012 and have been able to make some great strides in life by front-running trends based on information you have shared on everything from personal health, energy, economics and the environment.  So grateful for all that you do and for the tribe of people who gravitate to you!

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  • Tue, Oct 19, 2021 - 11:35pm

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    In a normal world

    You would have the public and politicians screaming for their money back for a vaccine that doesn't work. Heads would be rolling at the top. This would be headlines in all major news outlets.

    In our dystopian world, vax mandates, cover ups, media spins, doubling down on what doesn't work.....

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  • Tue, Oct 19, 2021 - 11:36pm

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    Lessen vaccine side effects

    I’m cornered right now into getting the vaccine. Dr. Chris, Any tips to lessen side effects from mrna vaccine? Would you recommend taking zinc, hydroxychloroquine or what on the counter drug to lessen risks for long term side effects of the vaccine?

    is there a way to control spike protein production so it won’t hurt blood streams or managing mrna so it produce less spike proteins?

    not afraid of covid but afraid of possible long term vaccine side effects. Thank you so much.

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  • Tue, Oct 19, 2021 - 11:58pm

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    No surprises - but agenda will still roll that the vaccines are perfect

    Same old data that tells us what we knew early on , what we expected. Though the data is not perfect , it is the best we have ,  and yet it tells us that we need to have further investigation, and need to rethink our policies.   All in black and white.   But Dr Biden, our resident in charge, continues to practice medicine without a license.   And obviously knows more than we do and all the scientists doing the research. .not just in the US but around the world.

    And to that end, we continue to push a vaccine as the only thing to fight this disease which seems to have much much less impact that what is pushed through the media.   All the while, we force an untested , unreliable , significantly dangerous vaccine on the public that appears to offer little to no protection and actually may make you more vulnerable, and seems to do nothing for this pandemic ( except make $$$$ for for big-tech , big pharm and the tons of people getting bribes and kickbacks to push it and drugs to treat the side-effects.  US government largest funder and biggest participant.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 12:59am

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    helmadi said:

    www.c19early.com

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 2:46am

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    Vaccine Side Effects

    Just got my first Pfizer jab. I was facing termination and I am not ready for that just yet. Next summer when round 2 comes should have a different outcome. Anyway, I have the same concerns about the POS jab. I have been taking baby aspirin for potential clotting issues and antihistamines to help with controlling inflammation hopefully. I did some zinc/quercetin, NAC, and I am still taking turmeric/ginger, green tea and nigella sativa. I take a multivitamin, as well as C and D. My strategy is to try and reduce clotting and inflammation. I am going to roll with this until well after the second shot. Is it helping? I do not know for sure, but I certainly do not think it is hurting. I am hoping for the best. I am keeping my powder dry until they take a run at my daughter next summer. I plan to go the distance on that one job or no job. Good luck to you.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 2:46am

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    No

    Not in my experience!

    Was never tested; high likelihood it was COVID though.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 4:54am

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    I want to go full cave

    Until we are through the next 6-8 months I'd like to disappear into the deep countryside and avoid any or at least most of the social unrest and anger.

    Obvious question for those harmed to ask is, "when did you know?"

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 5:48am

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    Destroy the spike protein (easy)

    Dear Chris, the University of Kassel (=Germany) found out that you can destroy the spike protein with a small electrical current. You can find the article on https://news.google.de

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 5:50am

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    Now they're saying they rolled out too early.....

    There has been a lot of self-congratulatory institutional hype in the UK regarding their rapid-jab program - but now they're saying it might have been rolled out too early....

    I remember asking my family 'why take a risky jab at the END of a covid wave' and advised they to wait until autumn - but they didn't listen... Crowded jab clinics in the UK were no doubt super-spreader events too - killing off lots of vulnerable people...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E89taTH86_s

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 6:30am

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    Follow the Leader

    Like a file of hippos who’ve charged down a narrow dead-end alley only to discover they are too stubborn and ponderous to extricate themselves, the corporate-medical community seems stuck on a sub-optimal path once again.  No point hoping for a solution from the leadership far ahead:  the combination of vanity and fear of losing position forces them to charge hopelessly toward the approaching brick wall, bellowing encouragement to their trusting followers whose only view of the path ahead is less than informative.  

    Isn’t it possible that their course is true?  Maybe, instead of a wall there's a wonderful field of lettuce ahead.  Once wisdom consisted of pouring boiling oil into bullet wounds, before Pare introduced sealing blood vessels with needle and thread, or septic high-speed knife and saw hacking before modern operating room techniques  - though causing horrible long-lasting damage and agony, didn’t approved methods reduce mortality…temporarily?  One could picture the reactions of a class of today’s doctors listening to the proud healthcare descriptions of a veteran barber-surgeon of the Dark Ages and then imagine the reactions of a future class of doctors to the proud healthcare descriptions of a medical leader of today’s Dark Winter flawed vax.   Neither could be convinced that their methods were deplorable- any more than getting the lead hippos to admit that the dead-end alley wasn’t the right path to the hoped-for lettuce farm.  Sometimes progress depends on the ones who could look ahead and walk in a different direction.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 6:40am

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    Next up, head of the national library of medicine fired for spreading misinformation. lol

    Regarding the argument that Vaxxed are less likely to get seriously ill...'they catch it, have mild symptoms and get over it'. If that were the case, we would still see lower REPORTED cases because people with mild symptoms would be less likely to go to a doctor or hospital. They cant count a case unless there's been movement by the infected person to seek medical attention.

    If the vaxxed were really getting milder cases...why are they going to hospitals?

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 8:57am

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    crowdsourcing treatments & experience

    lyonssf's experience taking the Holy Shot (May Pharma's Blessings Be Upon It) along with his attempted vax-injury countermeasures gives me an idea.

    If we could record what everyone did, as well as their outcomes (i.e. "any new health events post-vax"), we might be able to get a sense of what worked and what didn't.

    We might need some big numbers of participants though.

    And the super enthusiastic people might decide to get pre-and-post vax d-dimer and triponen tests, which might help to establish a casual relationship between taking the Holy Shot into the body, and any unfortunate "very rare" less-than-wonderful new health events that happen afterwards.

    Just as an FYI, I have seen n=4 on "ivermectin day before, day of, and day after vaccination" appear to be (at least so far) effective in avoiding "new health events" in the below-30 crowd.   But given how "very rare" these events are, n=4 is a small number.  That said, I have also seen (n=1) an astra zeneca vaccine (1-2 months post vax) apparently cause sleep disturbance, virus reactivation, and an overall health decline, which was not avoided by the ivermectin post-vax protocol.

    That's why I'd like some larger numbers.

    FWIW I like the baby aspirin that attempts to avoid the "clotting" part of the "very rare" clotting issues post-vax.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 8:59am

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    How we arrived at less convincing and reassuring data

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 9:34am

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    Ision said:

    One might have been infected with one version of the viral pathogen, such as the original Wuhan strain of SARS COV 2, and developed a natural immunity response for this strain.  But, if a new version of the pathogen is different enough, meaning its genetic signature has changed, or mutated, enough, for your T & B cells NOT to recognize it, and react to it, you may be infected by the new mutated virus.  Your immune system would then react to this new viral infection as it is able.

    Of course, should you survive the new infection, you should have immunity for it too.

    Natural immunity is at least 30x more potent, than a synthetic spike induced immunity...if one can actually say a synthetic spike immunity is thing...which one cannot.

    Different viral genetic signature...different immune response.  But, the genetic differences must usually be fairly substantial..and not just a few genes.   Long chain nucleotide alterations in one location of an otherwise similar matching virus is a positive indication of a bio-weapon.

    The SARS COV 2 virus is a bio-weapon platform, which may be effectively modified, version to version, for specific penetrations of the targeted subjects.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 9:58am

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    Ision said:

    When a company, like Pfizer, makes 33 Billion, in a very short time, marketing their serums, they are quite able to afford the grandest bribes imaginable.   Plus, obtain the strongest "enforcers" to protect themselves, and to direct against those they feel need such attentions.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 9:59am

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    question for Ision

    Ision said,

    The SARS COV 2 virus is a bio-weapon platform, which may be effectively modified, version to version, for specific penetrations of the targeted subjects.

    So, do you think everything that is circulating now is the result of natural, albeit vaccinal S-protein directed escape mutation?  Do you think we have seen, or will be seeing the release of new and different versions of the engineered virus as the plandemic wears on?  Thank you, Jim

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 10:24am

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    Group Therapy said:

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 11:05am

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    Ision said:

    Jim H:

    As you know, the SARS COV 2 development is now well established and the organizations, which funded and benefited from its development, are well known.  We are aware of very specific design features of this chimera viral platform, such as its spike-protein Prion domains, which were designed specifically to allow it to firmly bind to the human ACE2 receptors, for example.    Much of the development of this viral bio-weapons platform was paid for via DOD channels...as it was considered to be a weapon base, which could be modified for various uses, like an F-22 Raptor can be outfitted to carry assorted, different, weapons, to attack specific targets.

    As such, this bio-weapon platform lends itself to being modified, in already mapped ways, to specifically alter its genetic signature enough to fool the human immune response memory cells, which are looking for a prior signature.   This is old technology in bio-weapons...as learning how to defeat the human immune system is BASIC to the field.

    In fact, we have bio-weapons which are capable of a clocked rate of genetic signature changes, to a specific long-chain gene sequence, which "scrambles" its nucleotides randomly, producing enough alterations to make any immune identification of its prior signature obsolete..and useless.   The timing of this viral signature change coincides with the human immune system's ability to produce targeted lymphocytes against it.  So, just as the body starts to produce antibodies for Signature "A"  most of the viral load has "shifted" to Signature "B"...which is detected as a "NEW" invading virus.

    Such a bio-weapon need do to nothing else to harm and kill.  All it has to do is change its genetic signature..and goose the human immune system into collapse.  Sound familiar?

    But, a bio-weapon platform, such as SARS COV 2, is not the primary bio-weapon, but only the means by which the primary weapons may be deployed effectively.

    If we were just relying on a viral pathogen to perform the mission, it would take much more time, and be much more random in its target penetration.   Changing the pathogen's signature(one time, non-clocked)..or using a totally different pathogen...to adapt to changes in the target population is cumbersome.

    You must already know, the pathogen is only used, along with a massive disinformation and propaganda, fear campaign, to create the impetus for the dumb-driven cattle of humanity toward accepting the primary bio-weapon...the mRNA serums...along with their "alternative" options, which basically perform the same mission.

    So, when needed, new pathogens will be used, as will the results of the current injections, and the disinformation and propaganda shall invent whatever is required for the mission to progress.    They do not need to convince the small percentage of people, who might actually understand the nature of this issue in the proper context, who have the ability to fathom the science and technology.  All they need do..for the mission..is concentrate on the majority...who cannot...or will not.

    The aware and smart shall be suppressed as much as possible, using the usual means, but ONLY to keep their disruptive information out of the consciousness of the dumb-driven herd...being targeted.    They do not wish to kill...the smart and aware...just to keep them fragmented and less effective in disrupting the mission.

    They are shooting for the sky and are prepared to go to any extreme...and, thus, if they fall short....they shall still have achieved exactly the percentages they wished to obtain...from the start...(sloppy as it may get.)

    Remember, even if the vaxxed get sick again...or get sick...with Covid-19, they have already received the primary bio-weapon.   So, the "alphabet" variants can be ignored and confused for/with this weapon's effects.  Besides, the primary weapon is being used to augment the bio-weapon platform, not destroy it.  Both are equipped with Prion Domains, and both create the same damage and harm...with the synthetic spikes being better at it...than the larger, pathogen.

     

    Yes.  Expect more.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 11:32am

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    Vaccines as bioweapons

    I agree with you @Ision.  I find it very interesting that they are now stating its "safe" to use any covid vaccine as a booster regardless of which anyone was originally vaxed with.

    I seriously saw this coming and it fits this agenda. Yay it's mix and match for our convenience.

    I also wonder why the non mrna novavax isn't approved yet (as far as I know).

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 11:38am

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    Dissapointed

    As someone who has been following Chris since Jan, 2020, I was a bit disappointed in this video. Looking at the data presented and making any conclusions from it seems quite a stretch. I understand that we use "cases per million population" because that's the "best" data we have but using it to either confer or discredit vaccine use seems to be ridiculous. Twenty months into this pandemic, we know that healthy population cases under 50 have either no symptoms or mild cases. The vaccine is not for them and mandates for them is not needed. The vaccine is for the senior population and immune compromised. I hope that Chris looks at studies for this population and drawing conclusions from that data. My guess looking at last year versus now is that the vaccines are highly effective in reducing hospitalizations and deaths. I believe the last paragraph of the study stated that.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 11:43am

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    The only thing "novel" about SarsCov2 is the lab inserted part.

    First off if you are reasonably healthy, reasonably nourished without vitamin deficiencies, and without serious underlying health conditions you will not get sick or if you do you will most likely not have serious symptoms even though the virus has lab manipulation to make it more infective.

    If you are reasonably healthy as stated above and have had SarsCov1 which is around 87% similar to Cov2, you have significant immunity and will most likely not get sick or have serious symptoms.

    If you are reasonably healthy as stated above and have had SarsCov2 you will have significant immunity for all variants and will most likely not get sick or have serious symptoms.

    A virus evolving during an outbreak does not mutate enough to escape natural immunity unless your immune system is compromised.

    If you are sick, have severe underlying health conditions, weakened immune system, vitamin deficient, very old, very fat, you can get sick and die from SarsCov2 or any of the variants whether or not you have been vaccinated, gene jabbed, had the virus already or whatever.

    But keep in mind that even these very unhealthy folks have a better than 95% chance of surviving the virus. So get nourished, move around as much as you can, and stop the fear. Fear kills.

    Everything TPTB is telling us to do is making everyone less healthy. Masks make everyone less healthy alot. Not going outside and moving around a bit makes everyone less healthy alot. Fear and anxiety make everyone less healthy alot.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 11:44am

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 11:49am

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    Suramin Stops Spikes?

    I just stumbled on some sites that are reporting what Dr Judy Mikovits has said about pine needle tea as being effective at stopping the gene jab from causing our bodies to produce the spike protein. I don’t know whether to believe it, but I do know that pine needle tea is effective medicine against scurvy—as was experienced by stricken French explorers who were treated by a native medicine man. What I read is that they were all clear after 6 days.

    I read several of the posts and am convinced that, first off, it won’t do any harm, and the health benefits are likely to be significant.

    Evidently there are some studies, but it’s not my forte to pick through them and figure out what’s what. Maybe someone more capable than I—maybe Chris himself—will want to look into this.

    Whatever the case, I can report that it’s quite pleasant as a beverage. I made a yaupon tea (good caffeine source growing all through the woods here) and threw in a fist full of long leaf pine needles. Steeped it a good long while. Totally drinkable.

    As to yaupon, when the supply chain crumbles to the point that coffee and tea are not to be found, find a yaupon. Natives used to trade in it—and for obvious reasons. Pleasant stuff. Plenty of cranking amps too.

    It is native to the Southeast, but in last year’s deep freeze here in Texas it wasn’t even noticeably damaged. You might save yourself from the agony of caffeine withdrawals if you plant some in your yard.

    Adding pine needles actually improved the taste, and if so doing kills the manufacture of toxic spikes, wow. What a thing!

    Any observations from someone who is geared to research—and who is not a troll for Pharma—could be of real benefit to everyone.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 12:18pm

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    Ision said:

    Novavax is being held until it is seen whether the current efforts shall be successful, or not, in obtaining mission goals.

    Novavax is being rumored as a safe and effective alternative to the mRNA serums, because it does not hijack one's cells to force it to produce the synthetic spike-protein.  Instead, Novavax directly supplies trillions of the spikes...cutting out the slower, cell-forced, generation....along with any associated issues...people have with this.

    However, Novavax is simply directly injecting you with the harming and killing...spikes, each with its Prion Doman...and other attributes.  All perfectly capable of traveling to every place and every organ of the body, including the brain.

    If they release this "solution" too soon...it will not have as much positive effect in "capturing" those attempting to flee the mRNA serums...as the inescapable side-effects of the Novavax would be exposed...and the diversion would fail..or not be as effective..at getting people injected with the Primary bio-weapon.

    Novavax is supposed to act as the escape hatch to run too...in order to keep one's job, get a job, travel....eat food.   The proper hysteria must be staged...so as many can be stampeded through this hatch...before it is slammed shut.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 1:17pm

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    hypeng said:

    Novavax is supposed to act as the escape hatch to run too.

    https://www.naijamula.com.ng/unilorin-post-utme-form-2021-2022-is-out/

     

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 1:44pm

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    Yes we have been had, some data from the Netherlands

    I'm currently working on my own start-up, but my wife send me a link and she ordered  me to share it. It is a summary of an investigation from the RIVM , the Dutch CDC (link). For those who can't read Dutch, or do not want to use Google Translate, here is the conclusion:

    The Effect of Vaccination Status on The Spread of The Coronavirus

    Conclusions: If a person becomes infected after a full vaccination, the chances of him or her spreading the virus to another person are reduced. This is a modest effect. To become infected as a (non-infected) present in an establishment, it does not matter whether he/she is unvaccinated, partially or fully vaccinated, the chance of becoming infected is almost the same. According to this study, the introduction of a corona pass that may or may not give the right of access to a certain opportunity based on the vaccination status has no effect on spread.

    And still, our politicians go beserk, led by a Minister of Health with a brother working in the pharmaceutical industry. A  majority of people have become monkey-lizards, i.e., incapable of coherent rational thought induced by fear.

     

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 1:48pm

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    reply to one jab

    I have seen a similar cartoon for most of the problems humanity is facing. I am always resistant to the implication that "its their own fault, that is just how people are", thats not accurate. Most people are responding to what they are being told by the experts, the healthcare professionals, their own government. I cringe when I hear all these tv and radio reports that vitamins are worthless, being healthy is not necessarily better, only pharmaceutical products can make you healthy. The lies are thick and constant. People are simply doing what they believe is right.

    I try and tell people that they are being lied to and they always respond with "why would they lie?" and yet they don't want the answer to that question at all.

    On the other hand why do we expect the people in charge, the people who are profiting wildly off of all the lies to tell the truth?

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 1:55pm

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    Yes I am

    Dear Chris, I think that you are far too nice. This vaccination was never meant to help us stay healthy. Your post September 23 2021 with David Icke nailed it. The They have an agenda, for the time being the They are in control. The Pided Piper of Hamelin (Fauci) has played on the the agnostic society of consumption's fear of dieing, or just as bad, being restricted from consuming. Many people have warned us about the deaths coming this winter. So far the weather here in France has been absolutely beautiful - except for today. Perhaps today's full moon will bring a change in the weather. I don't wish for people to die, but when friends announce that VOLUNTARILY they are going to take their third shots - I try to talk them out of it. Anti-vaxx - if that is what I am - Yes I am.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 2:20pm

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    Is this conclusive without considering natural immunity (i.e. recovered from COVID population)?

    I'd be interested in understanding what the correlation looks like for vaccinated + COVID recovered, vaccinated only, and COVID recovered only.  I also believe consideration should be given to level of lockdown in evaluating this data.

    Overall, I understand the goal is to poke at the narrative that vaccinations alone make COVID go away.  But if we really wanted to be analytical about this, I feel like natural immunity at least should have been considered in this analysis as that factor could introduce a ton of noise.   For example, where is India on this scatterplot?

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 3:31pm

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    lockmanaz said:

    Chris, thanks for the content over the years. I have followed many of your discussions both on covid and related to the crash course topics. I appreciated your ability to aggregate and interpret data. As someone with one functional lung due to a paralyzed hemi diaphram I've worked hard to keep up to date on issues that are related to keeping myself alive based on the pandemic. I was interested in the results discussed here. As an engineer I think there is one or more glaring items related to this particular data that I feel are needed to make more informed conclusions and I'm surprised the authors did not consider them. I feel they really needed to capture testing per capita and the positivity rates for the countries and counties considered. It may not be the case, but if there was little to no testing sought by people in areas with low vaccination coverage I would expect these sorts of results and it may not line up with their conclusions. I would expect the counties with the lowest vaccine coverage to have very little to no volunteer testing. In those cases there may be many cases that go unreported making the data not necessarily accurate. Likewise as an example, I expect a much larger per capita testing in Israel when compared to some other countries. I would need to know the testing per capita and the positivity rate in this case to make more informed conclusions.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 4:09pm

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    Lengthy Studies

    Today's humour, IMO.  LOL

    Federal regulators will meet over the next two weeks to weigh the benefits of giving shots to kids, after lengthy studies meant to ensure the safety of the vaccines.

    Within hours of formal approval, expected after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advisory meeting scheduled for Nov. 2-3, doses will begin shipping to providers across the country, along with smaller needles necessary for injecting young kids, and within days will be ready to go into the arms of kids on a wide scale. -AP

    source

    California should probably have priority given its order for student vaccinations.  Too bad it's too late to make trick-or-treating "safe" for this year.  Bummer, man.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 5:18pm

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    Relaxing. Embracing SARS-CoV-2

    Everybody understands that the world has gone mad.   I seek to not contribute additional madness.

    We also know the ideal of  "being the change that we want to see," and that "being-ness" communicates, that behaviors are observed and spread (the hundredth monkey phenomenon.)

    How about we just move towards the monster that stalks us.

    We stalk the stalker, as Carlos Castaneda said.

    I've been doing this now for about 12-14 weeks.

    I work as a doctor, so people with SC2 come to me repeatedly during the day.  Once I find out that they have SC2, I remove my mask and sit close to them.  I'm seeking exposure to the thing that I avoided in fear (actually more like terror) for the first year.  Breath with me.  Let me share your microscopic visitors.

    This began gradually with several accidental exposures.  A patient with coronary artery disease and aortic stenosis and a fever, dizziness and chest pain.  We sat at his bedside as an echocardiogram was done to observe wall motion, look for vegetations of the valves, measure the aortic valve cross-sectional area.  After 10 minutes at the bedside--everyone unmasked, his COVID test came back positive.  I thought "Oh SHIT!" This is it!

    These accidental exposures continued to happen gradually over the next year.  An older male patient with poor hearing and dementia and his wife with equally poor hearing but mentally intact.  We all removed our masks to communicate (my hearing is bad and I must lip read).  It turns out she had COVID.  We stood close, unmasked and talked loudly to each other.

    The exposures started to add up.

    Finally I concluded that I had already been exposed multiple times already.  The horse was out of the barn.  My puny little surgical face mask did not stop aerosols anyway, (most of the air flow goes around the edges of the surgical mask).

    Eating Dirt For Health

    I have always embraced exposure to the natural world (including eating dirt!) was the way to make the immune system robust.  Probiotics of multiple strains.

    Our stool is half bacteria by dry weight.  We each have some 3 pounds of bacteria living in our gut.  And without them we get sick!  We need them and they need us.  We are symbionts.

    Make friends with our co-travelers, our little buddies that co-evolved with humans to live within our guts.

    I avoided the flu shot and saw patients with the flu unmasked.  Occasionally I would get a little sick, but that was rare.

    Asimov (or was it Heinlein or Clarke??)  had a story of a multi-decade duration spaceship trip to a far star system.  The job of the ship doctor was to release a virus into the ventilation system every Friday afternoon to keep the travelers immune systems' robust.  Meet and befriend the microscopic traveling companions that we need to be in good health.

    .

    Vaccines unbalance the TH1 to TH2 ratio

    The immune system has two major arms.  The allergy arm and the infection arm.  As we are overly clean and overly vaccinated, the immune system shifts to the allergy arm being predominant.  This leads to less infectious diseases, but more auto-immune diseases of unknown origin.  This is the plight of the modern child--scrubbed with antibacterial soap and not allowed to get muddy while being given 60+ injections between birth and kindergarten.

    ---

    Pandemic to Endemic

    I have a belief that everyone will get SARS-CoV-2.  And each year it will circulate and we will meet the next year's variants. I do not see anyway out of this.  Certainly we will not vaccinate our way to herd immunity.

    The goal is not to avoid infection, but to avoid a severe course.

    We do this by preparing our terrain, and by effective early treatment that allows us to get sick, but not severely.

    We have to go into the lions den and wrestle with the lion--but, maybe cheat a little with horse paste, so as to not get eaten.

    Fear Not

    I believe that it is possible to fear not.  I have certain moved from terror to boldness with this little micro-beastie.   This has been my way out of the insanity.

    .

    Weddings

    My nephew gets married next month.  However, multiple family members have banded together to insist on a rule that only the vaccinated may attend.  They will not book plane tickets until they are promised that no unvaccinated will be present.   It turns out that I am the only unvaccinated person in the extended family.  So I volunteered to not attend.  The wedding planning is going much better now.

    I walked to the dermatologist's office today and saw people wearing masks and avoiding door latches.  Read countless signs insisting that the unmasked may not enter.  That people who are sick may not enter.  Affirmed that I had no fever or cough.  I was instructed that when I remove my mask for a skin cancer check on my lower face that I should hold my breath for the 10 second skin check.

    This all shows a burden of great fearfulness.

    This isn't necessary, IMHO.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 5:21pm

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    It’s about CONTROL

    I agree with French Connection.  This was never about public health, so it’s not surprising at all that the jabs are not effective. If it were truly about public health, we’d have heard about losing weight, exercise and other terrain preparations. TPTB will not admit that the jabs are ineffective, or that the jab mandates are illogical even if the jabs were effective. Most of the public is too stupid to challenge their logic and those of us who do are merely an annoyance. They simply want you to COMPLY.  This compliance is setting the stage for even greater demands from the oligarchy and greater submission from the populace. Think about that as you ponder whether or not to comply with current and future mandates.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 5:42pm

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    Dr Sandpuppy... you tear-jerker!

    I have to say Doc... everytime I read your stuff, I tear up... you are a beautiful human and glad I have had the chance to be in your energy.  Such great insight.  You've saved me and my family a few times and I thank you!

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 5:57pm

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    Thanks SP

    You da doc!

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 6:17pm

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    felbel said:

    Hey

    I know it’s ‘not approved’ but when u r desperate well… I live in melbourne and work in the health profession so was pretty much threatened with loss of everything if I didn’t comply. Actually wish I didn’t anyway as u said, vit D, vit C, zinc, magnesium, quercetin (u can get this online) and if u have available, ivermectin. Like in my totalitarian state of Vic, it’s been taken off the market. U can however take ‘horse dewormer’ when it’s a pure ivermectin prep. There is one brand thats called eraquell. You can buy it online. It comes in 35g sachets that’s equivalent to 140mg of ivermectin. It’s in pellet form. You will need to divide the sachet up into doses based on your weight and what you are using it for. Go onto the FLCCC site as they have a fantastic protocol for management of covid including treating vaccine side effects. You can infer from this what u would do to reduce the effects of the vaccine and spike protein.
    hope that helps

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 6:21pm

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    Replying to Ision said: (#31)

    So how do the people who unleashed this plan to survive it?

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 6:34pm

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    THERE ARE 4 LIGHTS!!

    Throughout this ordeal I keep thinking about a dumb episode of Star Trek "Next generation"...[the one with Picard].

    All of the lies, the blatant-ness of it. The IN YOUR FACE repeating of things that everybody knows isnt true. The shifting narratives and then pretending that the story never changed... It reminds me of this episode;

    Picard is captured running a mission behind Romulan lines. The Romulans put him in the hands of their chief "interrogator". Picard is stripped naked and tied up. Electrodes are attached to his body and the interrogator has a remote control that once pressed, sends Picard into fits of pain.

    The interrogator shows Picard 4 lights in a row on the wall. He asks him "how many lights do you see?" Picard responds "I see 4 lights". The interrogator tells Picard "there are 5 lights." "How many lights do you see?" Picard responds "I see 4 lights" WHAM! He gets the zapper.

    Again he asks "How many lights do you see?" ...."4 lights"....WHAM!

    This goes on for weeks. Picard is in shambles. The interrogator tells him "the war is over, the federation has surrendered. You are holding out for no reason. I'm going to make you comfortable. Good food. A bed to sleep on, the company of others, no more isolation, no more torture...but you have to do one thing for me"

    Picard looks up with desperate longing. Anything to live like a human being again and stop the torture, "what must I do?"

    "Tell me, how many lights do you see?" Picard wavers, he pauses for a long time, then gathers his courage and screams..."THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!"

    Immediately guards enter the room and say they have reached a negotiation for Picard's release. The war didnt end, the federation was never defeated. It was just another lie.

    Maybe its a stupid analogy but it sure feels alot like it to me. I sometimes feel like Picard, hooked up to those electrodes, cut off from other people, and being fed a stream of lies...and it can all end if only I take the jab and agree that there are 5 lights.

    At the end of the show, Picard is in a counseling session with Lieutenant Troy and he confides that when he looked up the last time....he SAW 5 lights.

     





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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 6:50pm

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    Unable to post URL

    Unable to post URL

    Used TinyURL and it worked.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 6:56pm

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    Similar study for Ivermectin?

    I would like to see a similar study to this one but for Ivermectin. I can guess the outcome as most of the people here could however it would be good to see it all there in black and white (or color).

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 7:11pm

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    Try, Try Again

    I have an interest in aviation and I follow general aviation accidents using various websites. There have been a few accidents in the last few months that when I started to research, I thought about pilot incapacitation while in flight . When I first came across this accident, my first thought was adverse vx reaction because doctors are usually vx’ed. Then I found this.

    Start at 13:48

    https://tinyurl.com/9sdxtcrt

    And this:

    https://tinyurl.com/3fv2xy55

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 7:49pm

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    issues with study raised

    For not the first time I feel that Chris has accepted a study supporting the narrative he's pushing at face value without subjecting it to the same level of scrutiny that he would have applied had it come to more mainstream conclusions.  Several people have already noted methodological issues, e.g.:

    Perhaps something meaningful can be pulled out of this dataset, but it's not clear that this study's conclusions are to be trusted.

    That written, I agree with Chris that "immunity passports" would be ideal.  When I've raised ideas like this with others, it's been pointed out that the logistics of them would be quite challenging.  Vaccinations have been tracked, and each one provides a well-defined dose.  Infections, on the other hand, have wide ranges of effects and -- likely -- wide ranges of induced immunity.  If it could be easily established how much immunity each person has then we could probably accept it, but that testing costs money, more money than simply paying for a vaccine.  We could perhaps allow individuals to pay for their own immunity testing, but that would create a system in which some could (seemingly) buy their way out of the mandate while others could not, not the best optics.  Thus, I see vaccine mandates as pragmatic solutions to the situation, cheaper than testing everyone's immunity.  To those who see the vaccines as safe and effective -- which I know is not a popular opinion around here -- this is perfectly logical.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 8:06pm

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    K.Kingston former pharma insider reveals patents for the Vaxx- good documentation

    Excellent analysis of the ingredients etc. in vaccines per the patents. Shows the documents, gives their number, shows what the thing does.
    In the beginning she discusses how the VAERS system for reporting vaccine injuries requires the Federal Govt. to set up a study if they get adverse reactions. Not being done.
    56:00   Kingston states there are 12 different Pfizer vaccine formulations filed w FDA.; that’s why not everybody immediately has a bad reaction. Some have no mRNA in them, others high concentrations.The EUA doesn't require standardization.
    Dec. 2016 Congress signed off the Cures Act.  Under an EUA, you don’t have to give informed consent to implant a medical device.
    4:30   48,000 people enrolled in the Medicare system have reported adverse reactions requiring treatment.  40K deaths within two weeks of receiving the 1st or 2nd dose.
    5:00    Results on the VAERS system- >2000 miscarriages, >30K immediate allergic reactions
    12:51    talks about nano-tubes and devices within them.
    15:00   Some of the ingredients were tested on mice. 80% died w/n 24 hours.
    17:27   Ability to imbed biomarkers. Target organs are prostate, ovaries, heart. Deliver microscopic devices.
    51:00  Probably contains parasites In “live or weakened state” per patent

    https://beforeitsnews.com/agenda-21/2021/10/proof-the-vax-tracks-the-vaccinated-karen-kingston-former-pfizer-employee-and-biotech-analyst-exposes-the-vaccine-bio-weapon-whats-in-it-that-harms-us-how-it-tracks-humans-3314.html

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 8:11pm

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    Just sharing a good video





    Monopoly- Follow the Money.  An excellent documentary.  Touches many of the things Chris talks about.  Helped me understand why this is all happening.

     

     

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 8:15pm

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    GreatSchmitt

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    What about the Babies? Please pray with me that they will be ok.

    Hi Chris,

    Do you know of anyone who is looking at Birth Rates and Infant Health of babies born to mothers who had the vaccines either pre conception or during pregnancy?  The first babies born to vaccinated mothers and fathers are just beginning to be delivered with larger initial populations expected in December thru 1st qtr of 2022.

    Do you have any data or eyes and ears in Obstetrics, PICU, or pediatric neurology, and epilepsy?  Early neurological issues will be most prevalent during the 1st 2 years of life as the myelin layers of the brain lay down and begin to make connections.  We have Zero Data on how these covid shots may have impacted / are impacting sperm health, egg health, fetal, and infant development.  While I have a sister-in-law who is a high risk OB who is devastated seeing unvaccinated pregnant women get sick and die from covid, even she is admitting that she only recommends the vaccine to her obese moms & moms with pre-existing conditions.

    We just don’t know yet!!!

    Why are there no widely released animal studies!?!

    How can we possibly be recommending these shots to tweens and teens without this data?  What is the government going to say if something major comes up?  Oops - sorry about that…well, it’s better for the environment if you never have kids anyway.

    I hope and pray that I am wrong and there is no reason for concern.  I’m done having kids, but my little sister is trying to get pregnant, and I have 3 nieces ages 14, 13, and 12 (all healthy athletes) that I couldn’t convince their parents to just wait until Feb or March to have more confidence that things will be ok.

    Based on my own daughter’s tragic and heroically miraculous journey with neurological issues as an infant, I started a small effort to raise awareness called www.seizehopefund.com.  and we’ve met and helped hundreds of parents around the world through similar journeys.  These journeys are tragic and devastating.  Very few end up with the miraculous outcome my daughter had.

     

    Thank you for bringing compassion, science, logic, and unobtanium (common sense) to this dialog.  I’m a data scientist and a mom of 4, 3 healthy boys, and a 10 year old girl who had nearly 1/2 of her brain removed to stop catastrophic seizures at the age of 18 months.  Miraculously, at the age of 10, she does ninja warrior courses, and makes honor roll in the 4 th grade.   As you may imagine, the journey from 100s of seizures a day starting at 8 weeks of age to today has been filled with challenges that I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy, but also with great joy.

    Like yourself, I have poured over as much data as I can get my hands on throughout this pandemic.  I keep reading the studies that supposedly support the vaccine and masking, hoping to be logically persuaded that our public policy is being guided by something that is not simply evil.  I want so badly to be convinced that those in power are at least trying to make the best decisions they can based on some level of true and accurate data, but the more data I get, the more frustrated I become, and the more I pray.

    My family of 6 had covid (delta) this summer.  2 of my boys, ages 9 & 12 had zero symptoms.  My 13 year old had symptoms I would equate to a bad cold, and my daughter had mild fever and headache off and on for about 4 days.  I had one day of fatigue and muscle aches & my husband had fatigue and fever over 2 weekends with a bit of a cough.  Overall, a mild nuisance, as anyone could have predicted based on our personal  health situation.  I did lose my smell, but with 3 teen / near teen boys in the house, that has been kind of a blessing.  While I hope it eventually comes back, I’m not in any hurry.

    I had no fear of covid because we are all slim, healthy, and active.  I knew to take zinc & vitamin D, run some hydrogen peroxide in a humidifier, and reach out to a doctor for readily available drugs if we felt it was necessary.

    The question that is heavy on my heart right now, knowing how life-altering it is to have a child with major neurological challenges is, What about the Babies?!?!!!

    We have rushed headlong into mass vaccination before and during pregnancy.  The best data indicates that what went wrong with my daughter’s brain happened around week 10 of her fetal development.

    I hope this message falls into the internet abyss on non-importance, but for better or worse, like you, I have quite a remarkable track record of predicting things long before the “mainstream” even considers the possibility.

    If you have thoughts or questions or want an extra pair of eyes to crunch numbers and do research, please reach out.  It would be an honor - no charge of course for anything I could offer.

    Sincerely, Rebecca

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 8:44pm

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    I love this gal. Thanks thc0655





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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 8:55pm

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    Artbar said:

    It is my understanding there were.no successful animal trials on the "vaccine" because the animals all died. I may be wrong as I have no first-hand knowledge. My 32yesr-old grandson was I hired by the MMR vaccine and he is autistic, has a severe seizure disorder and is no longer verbal. I will never, ever trust vaccines again. Many of my extended.famiky, as well as friends, have had it. I worry about my granddaughters and the effect it may have.on them either through infertility or in utero damage as there have been no studies completed on pregnant women or young chikdren. I pray we are both wrong about our fears. I am so goad your daughter is doing so remarkably well. God bless you.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 9:05pm

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    There are FOUR lights

    Brushhog, that analogy is not stupid in the least.  IMO, it is absolutely spot on. I had forgotten about that episode of Star Trek NG but I remember watching it and finding it quite powerful. I have a military background and can attest that the scenario presented with Picard is similar to much of the POW training we receive. Basically, if they can get you to accept or even endorse what you know is wrong, they’ve broken you.  Then they own you.  I believe that is exactly what is happening in our world today.

    BTW, you have a good knack for these comparisons.  I remember your reference to The Chocolate War and thought that was apt too.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 9:27pm

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    Another thing from John’s Apocalypse

    “…and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.”

    That’s Revelation 9:21. After a third of mankind was killed by the army that crosses the Euphrates.

    Of note here is the word “sorceries”. The Greek is transliterated “pharmakon”, very obviously where we get “pharmaceutical” and related words.

    Murder, pharmacological malignity, immoralities, and thefts… So, um… is it coming into focus? They kill with a toxic jab and get fantastically rich in the process. No vaccine before COVID stayed in play after it killed a few people. These clot shots keep racking up victims—and we may see many more.
    It just seems relevant in these unprecedented times. Worth considering.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 9:40pm

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    Survival is not a problem...

    The people, who unleash the bio-weapons, do not take the Primary weapon via the injections...and are already immune to the pathogen, before it is released.

    As a government trained bio-weapon type, we always have "cures" before we release the weapon.  Some of these are nucleotide serums, which shut down the biological function of the pathogen, by altering its genetic instructions.   It is like having the combination to a safe...which others are forced to guess....but they do not even have the technology to even begin to try to do so.

    Remember, the primary weapons are the mRNA vaccines....not the virus they are supposed to fight.

    Why do I need to take a gene-therapy, mRNA serum, which creates synthetic S1 spike-proteins, each incorporating Prion Domains, at high risk, when I can choose to take a specific, vaccine, using deactivated virus, which includes a wide spectrum of its genetic signature...and is sterilizing?

    Remember, the ONLY reason you were given the "magic" mRNA "vaccine" is that there was NO TIME, and NO ABILITY, to grow the virus in cultures, so they could then be made inert and used...on the scale demanded to vaccinate the planet.   It was always possible to develop and use a standard vaccine...in the old fashioned manner...especially, as those managing this pathogen were completely familiar with it..and its nature...years before it was released.

    Plus, should accidents happen...there are always the various therapeutics, which they deny you...which they can apply to themselves.

    Not very much risk for them..at all.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 9:45pm

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    Response to Sand puppy on Germs

    Your comment reminded me of the great skid about germs by George Carlin.





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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 9:46pm

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    acesovereggs said:

    If vaxes were causing an abnormal amount of airplane crashes then there should be data out there that supports this thesis.  Is there?

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 9:53pm

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    Great post Sand_puppy

    Sadly, people are being taught to fear the unvaxxed. In reality, all will likely catch this thing eventually, regardless of vax status.

    My fully vaxxed relative just got over COVID. Having had a bad vax reation, now very happy to avoid the booster. Silver lining.

    If people exclude the unvaccinated to alleviate their fears, they at least spare that person from being blamed from the inevitable but unpredictable breakthrough infections.

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 10:21pm

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    SARS COV 2 And Its S1/S2 Prion Domains--A Danger To Livestock?

    We now know that the SARS COV 2 virus has infected wildlife, such as Deer, and has found a permanent home, where it cannot ever be eliminated.

    We also know that the SARS COV 2 coronavirus is the ONLY virus in the entire coronavirus family to possess a genetically altered spike-protein, which incorporates a Prion Domain on each of those spikes.

    If we discover these viral prions have the ability to cause prion disease, long-term, in the infected, is it not likely that the animal hosts to this virus may develop brain wasting diseases, such as "Mad Cow?"

    We already know ALL the monkeys we infected with SARS COV 2 in an early study, were ALL found to be suffering from prion disease, after they were all killed and autopsied...after six weeks.

    Spongiform Encephalopathies (TSEs) are a group of progressive and fatal conditions that are associated with prions and affect the brain and nervous system of many animals, including humans, cattle, and sheep.

    Now what happens to Mankind, if our bio-warfare weapon, SARS COV 2, infects all of our meat producing livestock, and some of them develop prion disease?   Did you know this disease is transmissible?

    Wouldn't it be interesting if many of the recent livestock kills you have heard about, really have nothing to do with economics...or manpower shortages?

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 10:26pm

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    Did you upvote your own post Joshua???

    To those who see the vaccines as safe and effective -- which I know is not a popular opinion around here -- this is perfectly logical.

    I dare you to read this entire thread of posts on telegram from the doctor, AMM, who has read almost all of the VAERS reports herself, and then tell us the vaccines are safe.  This is not an "opinion"... the VAERS database is signaling like crazy, in sympathy with other country's data gathering systems.  This is a fact.  Read the reports - why don't you start here, with this poor, fucked up baby;

    https://t.me/AMM_MD/371

     

     

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 11:15pm

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    lockmanaz said:

    I dug a little more into the data since I want to confirm some of the conclusions as I decide for myself on steps as they relate to the vaccine and boosters. My dates do not line up exactly with the 7 days associated with the paper but they are within 6 weeks it appears (paper 7 days proceeding Sept 3, my data rolled up for a posting date of 10/19/21 - https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing). I wanted to look at testing rates and positivity rates for some of the key countries mentioned. They did not list Iceland for some of the data I was interested but for some of the other countries mentioned in the paper they had the data I was interested in. I attempted to look at testing rates and positivity rates with the hypothesis that if you test more you will find more cases but the positivity rate may be a better indicator instead of total case count. Here are the findings:

    - Israel: Positivity Rate: 1.5%, Test Rate per million: 10772, Vaccine Coverage: 60%

    - Portugal: Positivity Rate: 1.2%, Test Rate per million: 4939, Vaccine Coverage: 75%

    -Vietnam: Positivity Rate: 2.8%, Test Rate per million: 1280, Vaccine Coverage: 10%

    - South Africa: Positivity Rate: 2.3%, Test Rate per million: 457, Vaccine Coverage: 10%

    It seems like the conclusions drawn in the paper may be ignoring some aspect of the data related to actually understanding the rate of cases based on testing. For countries that are more fully vaccinated it appears the test rate is 5 to 10x more than the lower vaccinated countries mentioned and the positivity rate is roughly 2x for less vaccinated countries (for those mentioned).

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 12:49am

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    I trust DARPA ... for all my gene-therapy needs... ; )

    I'm way past the question of whether these injections might have any positive benefits vs Covid. If data shows that they do, then clearly some DARPA scientist will be punished for their mistake.

    It looks like our "elected" leaders and their puppetmasters are collapsing the system, to coincide with the next outbreak (what Bill Gates proudly named 'Pandemic 2').

    TPTB may have had to adjust their plans a bit, to find a more deadly organism that Vitamin D doesnt protect against, and ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, tamiflu, and Xofluza don't treat.

    If I may ask, do you recommend keeping any other anti-infective medications on hand? e.g. Niclocide (niclosamide) or Daraprim (pyrimethamine), both of which are hard to find in the US? Follow up q: get the pet version, buy from overseas, or get from a lab research supply company?  Thank you.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 1:28am

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    Is this study legit?

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2113864

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 2:46am

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    Canuckian said:

    I'm no expert, but it certainly looks legit. One issue that stands out is we have no idea how many adverse events the vaccinated suffered, so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

     

    Also of note is that one dose of the mRNA vaccines seems more effective than two. This has been apparent in other data.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 3:56am

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    DaveDD said:

    That’s great, there is a small problem though imo: how to get a currrent pass through every body part that might harbor this synthetic death sentence?

    The electric chair comes to mind, but that will lead to other side effects…

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 4:04am

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    Hans said:

    A more specific URL would be helpfull 🙂

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 4:23am

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    Monkey-Lizard Media

    Good question,

    I have a related questions for you: how many adverse effects did actually occur? And, if you can’t tell because the reporting is murky and incomplete, you might have just answered your own question.

    Although I tend to resort to “conspiracy theories” only when all other, simple rational explanations fail,  I think that you have to agree with me that MSM stands for Murky Shitty Messaging; ok, I actually anticipated your answer to my first question.

    Apart from MSM showing signs of brain a brain altered state, one could of course try to answer your question by “following the science”. But wait! The last two years, scientific journals have ben inundated with really, really bad articles, some of them based on fabricated data! It seems that also “scientists” are just thought criminals, either by conviction, driven by pecuniary motives, or driven by fear.

    The latter ones I characterize as monkey-lizards, imo the best name that captures all available psychological, neurological, and evolutionary state-of-the-art knowledge; a very scientific name indeed. But, as I’m not too strict in my language, I think that the current state of science is best described by “Monkey-Lizardism”, and now we are at it, I propose another TLA for MSM: MLM, Monkey-Lizard Media.

    Here, you have my answer to your question: if there are a significant amount of airplane crashes, or near-crashes, it could be entirely possible that we wouldn’t know about it due to the Monkey-Lizard Media and its monkey-lizard text copiers.

    What you get is not what you see…

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 4:31am

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    George

    "And if I drop food on the floor I eat it."  That was great Rodster!

    I eat oysters each week, rich in ZINC. Part of the muscle fell on the ground while I was shucking - bent over and popped it into my mouth. Now that I have seen Sand Puppy's comments, I know that I've done the right thing.

    At the risk of starting a whole different debate post 53 versus post 58. I like both posts - but I love the caustic George Carlin versus the emotional sensitivity of post 53. Granted she is right, we are going to go through hell - why cry about it. People are unsuspecting yet totally fearful of the wrong "dangers". I have started to play golf again. I have to pay for the test "antigénique" which allows me 72 hours of golf etc. I phoned a golf buddy, he asked me What are you going to do? Meaning you're not vaxxed. I get tested each time.

    I mean, you have to treat these adults like children reassuring them that YOU do not present a danger! My Mother-in-law went on a surprise trip this month. The destination was Albania. In her group, all living in her locality, they all got Covid including my Mother-in-law - all 15 of them are double vaccinated.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 4:52am

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    Reply to Netlej

    " I am always resistant to the implication that "its their own fault, that is just how people are", thats not accurate."...."Most people are responding to what they are being told by the experts, the healthcare professionals, their own government."

    But changing one's lifestyle requires commitment & sacrifice - values in opposition to the western creed of instant gratification & quick-fix off-the-shelf solutions...

    For instance, when I tell people about my PPE routine & supplementation regime (along with daily nasal sprays & mouthwashes), they say they'd sooner roll up their sleeves... Too much effort for many.

    While people traded freedoms for comforts, a criminal syndicate took over the world - so when that criminal syndicate decided that decimating us is the way forward - there was almost zero legal, political, academic or medical opposition...

     

    SHIP OF FOOLS (SARS-CoV-2 edition)

    "Nothing the god of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for..."

     

    When they said it only affected the old,
    lots of millennials chuckled.
    So when borders stayed open,
    there was no rebuttal...

    When they said it affected more men,
    the man-haters skipped with glee.
    But when they ran out of toilet roll,
    they got onto their MP...

    When they said it affected minorities,
    the xenophobes sniggered.
    But the mere mention of facemasks,
    got them all triggered...

    The decimation in care homes,
    came as no surprise.
    But intellectuals said nothing,
    enjoying furlough on backsides...

    The banning of mass gatherings,
    led to more hysteria.
    But when they threatened to cancel Netflix,
    there was barely a whisper...

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 5:53am

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    John Drake said:

    Joshua, you said:

    Vaccinations have been tracked, and each one provides a well-defined dose.  Infections, on the other hand, have wide ranges of effects and -- likely -- wide ranges of induced immunity.  If it could be easily established how much immunity each person has then we could probably accept it, but that testing costs money, more money than simply paying for a vaccine.

    I think we can be certain that vaccinations will also have had wide range of induced immunity, so suggesting this is a negative aspect of natural infection makes it sound like you approve of the 'rewards for compliance' system currently in place, rather than actually being concerned about health and reducing infection levels.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 6:44am

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    Please respond to what I actually wrote.

    No, I didn't upvote my own comment (is that even possible?), and I find it telling that you chose to lash out at me rather than challenge anything that I actually wrote in it.  I wasn't claiming anything about the vaccines here, only that this study is basically worthless and that vaccine mandates make sense under the assumption that the vaccines are safe and effective.  Chris has done his best to challenge that assumption elsewhere, but this particular study doesn't really add to that conversation.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 6:55am

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    I don't really disagree.

    I think we can be certain that vaccinations will also have had wide range of induced immunity, so suggesting this is a negative aspect of natural infection makes it sound like you approve of the 'rewards for compliance' system currently in place, rather than actually being concerned about health and reducing infection levels.

    Relying on vaccines isn't ideal either, for the reason you stated, and this is an issue I've raised in conversations on this topic.  The response has been that we expect vaccine-induced immunity to have smaller variance than infection-induced immunity -- the standardized dose should help here -- so if the former is sufficient then it's pragmatic to rely on vaccines.  Testing vaccinated as well as previously-infected individuals for immunity would be great if we could do it at scale, but that just doesn't seem possible.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 7:10am

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    No Surprises Here

    What does surprise me, however, is the amount of people who thought that the "vaccines" would work - i.e. that they would be both safe and effective. I also struggle with this in my own industry (rail). For example, medical products generally require around 5 to 7 years of clinical trials to prove that they are both safe and effective. Engineers might not be familiar with previous drugs such as vioxx and thalidomide, however, one thing we are very familiar with is asbestos.

    In the 1950s we thought asbestos was brilliant. We used it in everything we could for everything we could, e.g. strengthening agent, insulation, fire retardant. Why did we stop using it? Because decades later we found out it had the potential to kill people.

    When it comes to product safety you cannot cut corners. There are no exceptions to this rule. Why do we humans have to re-learn this basic lesson again and again?

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 7:12am

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    pharma authoritarians

    I wasn't claiming anything about the vaccines here, only that this study is basically worthless and that vaccine mandates make sense under the assumption that the vaccines are safe and effective.

    Oh sure.  If wishes were horses, etc - and if the disease had a 5% IFR.  But neither are true.

    The shots are neither safe, nor are they effective.  And the manufacturer has zero liability, so there is zero motivation to make sure they are safe.  And the disease, for most people, is really no big deal - most especially with early treatment.

    But the shots sure are profitable.  And that's at least one reason we have mandates.

    https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/pfizer-moderna-will-rake-a-combined-93-billion-next-year-covid-19-sales-says-analytics-group

    Josh, I can't help but notice how closely your views align with the commercial interests of the Stakeholders.  If your interests and theirs align due to a shared economic interest (say you were long PFE/MRNA, and/or you were getting a paycheck from one of these organizations), then it would go a long way to explaining your enthusiasm for the shot.

    Notice I said "if".

    Once upon a time, back when I was a liberal, people like me were deeply suspicious of Pharma.  And that was back when they had actual product liability for the crap they put out and then routinely lied about those products, which ended up killing Americans by the truckload.

    Sadly, the liberals I once respected - and shared a belief system with - have somewhat shockingly transformed into Pharma Authoritarians.

    That's why I'm not a "liberal" any longer.

    I still believe in choice.  Not in coercion.

    But I get you feel differently.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 7:48am

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    Choose Freedom

    That written, I agree with Chris that "immunity passports" would be ideal.  When I've raised ideas like this with others, it's been pointed out that the logistics of them would be quite challenging.

    Far easier than vaccine passports.  Once you have natural immunity you are good to go.  No boosters needed.  We’ve done this other illnesses when vaccines came online.  People born before 1957 didn’t get the MMR because it was assumed they had the illnesses in childhood.  I have two kids, one had the chickenpox so he never got the vaccine.

    Vaccinations have been tracked, and each one provides a well-defined dose.  Infections, on the other hand, have wide ranges of effects and -- likely -- wide ranges of induced immunity.  If it could be easily established how much immunity each person has then we could probably accept it, but that testing costs money, more money than simply paying for a vaccine.

    The vaccines don’t stop people from getting or spreading SARSCOV2 so everyone who does not have natural immunity needs to be tested to “stop the spread.”  A T-cell detect test https://www.t-detect.com/purchase/ costs $159.  A basic instant Covid test is $20.  So finding those with natural immunity will pay off in 8 weeks.   And millions have had a positive PCR, so they don’t even need a t-cell detector test.

    We could perhaps allow individuals to pay for their own immunity testing, but that would create a system in which some could (seemingly) buy their way out of the mandate while others could not, not the best optics.

    A business would be best served by finding those with natural immunity.  All others need to be tested for SARSCOV2.  We could save a lot of money be recognizing those with natural immunity.  They don’t need testing, quarantining, masks or social distancing.

    Thus, I see vaccine mandates as pragmatic solutions to the situation, cheaper than testing everyone's immunity.  To those who see the vaccines as safe and effective -- which I know is not a popular opinion around here -- this is perfectly logical.

    Vaccines passports are a logistical nightmare and expensive too.  Vaccines don’t stop you from getting or spreading SARSCOV2.  The only way I know you are “safe” is if you have natural immunity.  And sadly at this point we don’t know of post vaccine illness gives you  natural immunity.  If we wanted to look at this with pure science the only individuals that should be free to roam would be the unvaxxed with natural immunity.

    Since I value freedom, I believe it is time to learn to live with this disease.  Just like humanity has done with all the others diseases since the beginning of time.

    Life is dangerous, no one gets out alive!

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 7:56am

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    yeah what she said

    Natural immunity sure does seem to be durable.  I'd trust my elderly grandmother to a HCW with natural immunity in preference to one who was coerced into taking the shot - plus booster(s), ad infinitum.

    Man.  Sure sucks to be a HCW these days.  My heart goes out to them.  First they have to deal with the pandemic for two long years.  Now they have to take a shot that they don't need, and in many cases, is actually dangerous for them as well.

    And for $ome reason, Old Doc Fauci doe$n't seem to really want to look into natural immunity.

    https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/pfizer-moderna-will-rake-a-combined-93-billion-next-year-covid-19-sales-says-analytics-group

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:19am

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    Join the Disappointed Club

    I started with Chris before Peak Prosperity, with the first Crash Course, when he was all about the 3 Es, energy, environment and economy.

    I don’t come here as often as I use to because the content has changed.  Having said that, in my occasional visits, I haven’t seen any 3 E content.

    This year saw a massive jump in inflation that is frankly scary.  The drought and heat wave in the Western United States is a major problem and perhaps unprecedented.

    Yet, Peak Prosperity seems to be mired in the Covid vaccine divide.

    I can get vaccine controversy info, to my hearts content, all over the web.  Having Peak Prosperity stuck on it doesn’t add any value for me.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:28am

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    I’m watching the school train wreck

    Luckily my kids are done but have thought about what would I want for my kid’s teacher’s vaxx status? (I really need to get off my butt and go speak science at a school board meeting).  I would pick natural immunity and then unvaxxed if given the choice.

    IMO the vaxxed individuals are the most dangerous to others.  Which goes back to the asymptotic spread issue that we were all told was the big wildcard that made CoViD19 so dangerous.

    I wish one of our medical alphabet agencies would do the research on post vax illness.  Does post vaxx illness offer the same level of natural immunity?  Or will the vaxxed folks need to be masked and vaxxed forevermore?  To “stop the spread.”

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:33am

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    Agreed!

    I will encourage you to start some 3E discussions.  Other than wow, there are a lot of ships sitting off the coast I don’t feel I have a lot to add.

    With that said, there are probably a lot of 3E discussions that happened four years ago that I am totally clueless about.   What were the big topics?  How important is American energy independence?  Keystone pipeline?  Other than a question or a headline I’m not sure what to open a discussion on but I will think about it.

    Kathy

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:43am

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    Pilots Do Not Just Fly Airplanes Into the Ground!

    I did not say the incidents of General Aviation accidents caused by pilot incapacitation are abnormal.

    I said a few. General Aviation accidents are more and more treated as automobile accidents, you never hear about them unless it happens to be a high profile personality.

    In the first instance, the video, he comments the pilot made no attempt to recover from an unusual attitude and right the aircraft, taught and instilled from early pilot training to be an instinctive reaction.

    In the second instance, the pilot was flying at flight level 200, 20,000 feet altitude. He did not declare an emergency, such as in the event of loss of cabin pressure, but he asked the controller for a descent to 10,000 feet. The controller clear him to descend to 10,000 and that was the last transmission from the pilot. He should have reported level at 10,000, but the aircraft continued its descent all the way to the ground.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:47am

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    Test positives are a poor proxy for actual infection rates

    I'm sorry, but this study is almost worthless because comparing per-capita positive tests is almost worthless. A county with a 99% vaccination rate is totally paranoid about covid and probably has a very high voluntary test rate. A county with a 20% vaccination rate has a completely different attitude and probably does little testing without an obvious possible case. If those two counties had the same actual infection rate, the county with the high vaccination rate is going to discover a LOT more of those infections than the county with the low vaccination rate.

    The only thing useful I found in this study was the fact that 90+% vaccinated counties can still be high transmission zones. This indicates that herd immunity via the current vaccines is a pipe dream.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 9:04am

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    changing content

    This year saw a massive jump in inflation that is frankly scary. The drought and heat wave in the Western United States is a major problem and perhaps unprecedented.

    Yet, Peak Prosperity seems to be mired in the Covid vaccine divide.

    My view is that this whole lab-leak-NIH-funded-pandemic+mandated shot program for a virus with an 0.2-0.4% IFR is a shocking move into Biological Authoritarianism by people I used to align with on the "left", and that by comparison, "inflation" is dramatically less personally threatening.

    To me.  I understand if that's not important to you, since you already got the shot.

    But here's a question.  If the Biden Administration forced everyone to eat a plant-based diet, or lose their jobs - and/or be denied healthcare - would you be in favor of this policy?

    How about if they denied people healthcare because they were too fat?

    Or they drank "too much" alcohol?

    Or if they used drugs?

    To me, this is a really big deal.   A slippery slope that leads nowhere good.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 9:08am

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    Shoutout Davefairtx

    I just wanted to let you know that not only do I find your content informative and FUN to read, but I really look forward to a lot of what you have to say.  Love all the data dump.  Just thanks and make it a great day!

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 9:20am

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    Context can matter with data

    Good point about the study Bader likely being skewed by local factors.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 9:39am

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    Changing content is a feature, not a bug.

    I don't see that the 3E's ever go away in terms of content.. but for sure the emphasis is mutable around here.. and for me that's a feature.  If one had tuned in to PP.com a few years ago, during the Fukashima disaster, one could have, I suppose, gotten sick of nuclear power plant disaster commentary... but hey, shit happens.

    The Covid-19 Pandemic happened, and it's still happening, and something is very, very wrong.  If you are a frog that has now drawn the line in terms of your personal boiling progress, as I am.. then there is nothing more important.

    In conclusion I will go back to a portion of what Mots posted yesterday that ties all of the thoughts and content here together into a compact manifesto of sorts, that harkens the 3E's, the need for re-localization, and the dangers of a corporatized world;

    In the present day corporate world such as corporation controlled (ie fascist) America, we can see that corporate solar can be defeated by reality/nature based personal small community effort (my book on amazon.com explains this); corporate medical can be defeated by reality/nature based personal effort (as seen by the power of repurposed drugs such as ivermec+in). The same observations can be made in the agriculture (no till sustainable ag defeats big ag), education (personal effort vs. credential mills), communication, transportation fields. Just as surely as the repeated hubris-filled authoriton led invasions of Afghanistan failed time and time over history, the present authoriton takeover and elevation in a fascist America/Canada/Australia will lead to its demise. I dont think that we need to do anything except walk away and build our resilient communities, and let evolution takes its course.

    Wow.

     

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 9:44am

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    Please use CAUTION! Dr Judy clarifies - Suramin IS NOT Pine Needle Tea

    Hi,

    Please search up Dr Judy’s response to the media blasting out her pine needle tea statement.  Pine needles can be poisonous - it’s where Turpentine comes from.  Suramin is not pine needle tea, but she used the statement to intentionally provoke Fauci.  I don’t have personal experience in the natural tea arena, I just remember seeing her video on this.

     

    Suramin was a drug that was taken off the market by pharma when it showed promise for treating autism.   They stopped the studies - not sure why.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 10:10am

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    Disappointed in this study

    I’m generally quite impressed with Chris’s videos.  This one surprised me as a little light on the intellectual side.  Looking as just 1 week of data in this environment is one way that data could be used to manipulate support for a certain viewpoint.  I think there are stronger data sets out there to support the same conclusions that this study reached, so I don’t disagree with the conclusions, just surprised Chris picked this study.  Lots of people would like to discredit him.  Why give them the ammo?

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 10:14am

    westcoastjan

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    I find your comment funny Les,

    With all due respect Les, in all my time here at PP the only contributions I observe you making on any topic related to the 3Es is to promote a plant based diet. It does not matter what the content/article or forum topics are, it is my perspective that you always find a way to bring your views on that specific topic into the conversation. That is not to say you do not make valid points about it because you do. But somehow, over time, I grew to think of you as being a one-dimensional contributor.

    While you may disagree with the heavy coverage re all things covid, this crisis is an immediate, urgent/important concern. Countless people across the globe are in dire circumstances, physically, mentally, emotionally, as well as financially. Try to imagine being in the jab or job situation with a mortgage and dependents to feed and support. This is an existential crisis! Not just for individuals, but humanity.

    I too would like nothing more than to go back to grand long running discussions about all things 3Es. But when one's life and livelihood is on the line, as it is for so many, when the lives of future generations is on the line, and when there is clear evidence of intentional fraud and nefarious activities, it is hard to think about other things/threats that are not of immediate, near term concern. I tend to agree with on the need to reduce meat consumption. But that is not an immediate threat to my life. The covid crisis is!

    And as Kathy said, please do start new forum discussions about things of interest to you. Those who are so inclined and who are sick of covid coverage will no doubt be happy to engage and have discussions with you. There is nothing to stop you from leading a discussion forum...

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 10:44am

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    Plant-Based Diets

    Ha! Jan beat me to it. Les is a vegetarian, so a President Grampa veg-mandate likely would be the bees knees for him.

    I was a vegetarian for five years. It’s a garbage diet. Its better than processed foods, but that’s not saying much.

    The whole “meat is bad for the planet” myth is predicated on monocrop agriculture as feed for animals. Yet, there’s evidence to suggest that grazing animals (as opposed to factory farms) could be beneficial for the planet.

    I adopted a augmented carnivore diet this year, and lost 60 lbs….easily, and without exercise. Inflammation disappeared. Oh yeah, and the best part? Flatulence became history. I stopped farting completely. Folks raised on the SAD diet have issues ranging from inflammation to insulin resistance.

    I’ve seen the plate from both sides, now. Carbohydrates are akin to opiate addiction. Your body wants that cheap crap.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 10:53am

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    Responding to what you wrote

    Hi Joshua,

    I agree that this study isn't nearly as solid as Chris makes it out to be.  There are other comments above that explain why, like #83 and #89.

    I disagree with your conclusion that vaccine passports are a reasonable approach because immunity passports are too expensive or impractical.  Your assumptions are wrong:  vaccines don't provide a uniform dose since they aren't traditional vaccines containing the virus being vaccinated against.  They contain completely different viruses which will invade your cells and create factories of a part of the thing you are supposedly being vaccinated against.  These are supposedly injected into muscle but might actually be injected into arteries, veins, capillaries, so there's no knowing how much will stay localized and how much may spread to various organs.  With multiple levels of indirection like that, and no adjustment for body weight, there's no hope of consistent anything.

    All of which ignores the fundamental issue that passports are an evil idea in the first place.  Americans have never before had to carry any identification documents to function in society.  We had to prove age to get alcohol (if you don't obviously look old enough) and drivers licenses to operate a vehicle on public roads.   In recent years you've had to provide ID to fly, but I'm old enough to remember when you didn't.  Until now if anyone asked for ID, including police, you did not have to provide it.  You were required to tell police who you are but weren't required to have ID to prove it.

    Whether the passports are based on vaccine status or immunity doesn't change the fact that they are the modern version of "show me your papers".  They worked great for the Nazis, not so well for the people in the countries they occupied.  If you think the people in government that are pushing them have any less nefarious intentions you are hopelessly naive.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 10:55am

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    there is no logic in vaccine mandates/passports

    Here is an explanation on the logic of the mandates that is very clear.





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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 12:16pm

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    coercion or free will?

    Right.  The "plant-based diet" line was a test.  🙂

    It is really asking Les: "are you a closet authoritarian?"

    Are you in support of using coercion/force/full power of the state to force people to do what you think they should be doing?

    Or do people deserve free will?

    That's pretty much the question of our times right now.

     

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 12:34pm

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    Reply to one jab

    I get it...you have a very low opinion of people. My point is that they have been indoctrinated since birth and therefore they fully believe that they are doing what is best.

    I would also point out that this is a very US/western civ centric phenom. Very few have the luxury to be able to pursue what amounts to an advanced degree in learning some of what is really going on.

    Those very same people you disparage, if they had the proper information and a community that supports the truth, would act very differently than they do now.

    Thats why we all need to do all we can to edumacate da masses.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 12:45pm

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    xrp/sec judge netburn

    This is the case that make judge Netburn the next supreme court justice.  Check out S.E.C. vs Ripple case.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 12:54pm

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    Lynn Jackson said:

    Practice sinus flushing

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 1:46pm

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    Reply to Netja

    "I get it...you have a very low opinion of people. My point is that they have been indoctrinated since birth and therefore they fully believe that they are doing what is best."

    No one really knows what another person thinks - so try not to be too presumptuous.... The pandemic has hardly brought out the best in humanity - compared to past crises & wars.

    We are all products of our environment to some extent, but when you totally blame a third party for another person's actions - you take away their personal agency & absolve them of ethical responsibility.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 2:43pm

    Steven Kelso

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    The Nature of Authoritarianism

    For the longest time, I viewed narcissism as radical vanity. I didn’t quite grok the “fetishization of oneself as a victim”, and the way that truly defines narcissism.

    Likewise, I believed Authoritarianism to be the textbook state repression and international militancy, coupled with mustachioed white male caricatures of bellicose chauvanism.

    Demand-Side economic entitlement is the true nature of the western authoritarian.

    • The light switch always turns on the light.
    • The gas station always has gas.
    • The grocery store always has bread….and toilet paper.

    The entire world is a store and everything’s for sale. Veruca Salt all grown up. In this context, authoritarianism is the fetishization of luxuries  as necessities. It’s also coupled with a “Let them eat cake” level of ignorance situated up on their high horse. Americans are the spoiled brats of empire, with little care where their coltan comes from.

    “I want to pretend I’m a fairy princess.”

    You have the freedom to pursue happiness.

    “I want to force people to recognize me as a fairy princess.”

    You have the freedom to fail in your pursuits.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 3:01pm

    brushhog

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    brushhog said:

    I think there is a big percentage of people who just follow what they perceive as the strongest, loudest voice in the room. Its hard for people like myself and many others here not to despise that trait.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 3:34pm

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    Rely to LesPhelps

    "I don’t come here as often as I use to because the content has changed.  Having said that, in my occasional visits, I haven’t seen any 3 E content."

    If we all start dropping out like flies as the empire nears its final days, you won't need to worry much about your 3Es....

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 3:35pm

    Netlej

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    Last one for one jab

    "...totally blame a third party for another person's actions - you take away their agency & absolve them of unethical/bad life-choices."

    Oh the old blame the victim argument...Sad!

    There are two parties, the liers and the lied to.

    You take away someones agency, their free will, and their freedoms by lying to them then MANDATING that lie and back it up with real punishment.

    Are the several billion people who got the jab acting of their own free will? Acting with agency. Acting unethically?

    The cartoon you posted and your comments say that you think they are. WRONG!

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 4:07pm

    Redneck Engineer

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    Authoritarianism

    It is the belief in the moral and legal right for government to violate the individual rights of its citizens.

    An authoritarian wants, or at least does not object to, government mandates of any kind. He wants to FORCE people to wear masks, get a jab, eat their veggies, go to this church instead of that one, whatever.

    The libertarian is the antithesis. He believes in the sanctity of individual rights - that the government nor other individuals may use FORCE to compel others against their wishes.

    The last few years have seen a shocking rise in American public tolerance of authoritarianism. The corporate switch from colorblind policies to explicit racial quotas via DEI policies, for instance, or the Big Tech silencing of dissent. The public’s unwillingness to tolerate dissent in the public square shows we’ve moved far from a freedom-loving culture and are now in position to adopt an outright authoritarian government.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 5:23pm

    richcabot

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    Reply to everyone

    Not really, but I'm tempted to reply to around a dozen of the recent comments.

    There's a lot to agree with in all of them.  I hope the people being replied to aren't taking the replies too personally.  Vaccines, vaccine passports, access limitations, etc. are deeply emotional subjects, undoubtedly because of how much they impact us and our freedoms.

    Most of the people I know, including family members, still put an enormous amount of faith in the mass media.  They can't comprehend how much everything in our system has been corrupted.  The lies are so massive and deep that it defies the imagination of almost everyone.  It's in part because of decades of indoctrination, in part because as non-psychopathic people they can't understand how anyone could do these things.

    As to people waking up and understanding that COVID was a plandemic and continues to be used as a vehicle to destroy our freedom and control society I'm not an optimist.  I have the unfortunate experience of having been involved in the 9/11 truth movement for its first 10 years.  The dedicated researchers in that effort uncovered the details of most aspects of that crime.  Almost everything about how it was accomplished and covered up were well known when I stopped following it 10 years ago.  The remaining details may have been filled in by now, I don't know.

    The important thing here is to treat each other with respect and try to educate one another about not only what's going on but practical steps we can take to protect each other from the worst of what is yet to come.

    Don't denigrate people on the site just because they haven't grokked everything that you have.  Don't look down on them just because they cling to hope in the system or in the people they know.

    I probably went too far myself in calling Joshua "hopelessly naive",  I'm sorry Joshua.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 5:40pm

    stevedaly

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    Airplanes falling from the sky

    US ARMY FLIGHT SURGEON IS GROUNDING “VACCINATED” PILOTS, CITING DEATHS, CALLS FOR HALT TO SHOTS FOR MILITARY
    OCTOBER 2, 2021 PUBLIUS 3 COMMENTS....

    US Army Flight Surgeon, Lieutenant Colonel Theresa Long, swore out an affidavit which recommends the grounding of all “vaccinated” pilots.
    Lt. Col. Long wrote:
    “Today I received word of one fatality and two ICU cases on Fort Hood; the deceased was an Army pilot who could have been flying at the time. All three pulmonary embolism events happened within 48 hours of their vaccination. I cannot attribute this result to anything other than the Covid 19 vaccines as the source of these events. Each person was in top physical condition before the inoculation and each suffered the event within 2 days post vaccination”

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-a-southwest-airlines-pilot/comments

    According to the link you just provided, DR. Das, the pilot recently had his 3rd jab.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 6:09pm

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    more to everyone

    I guess we all  try or maybe try to see different levels of awakeness or enlightenment.

    I, like most people , always knew that there was corruption wide and deep.  With the government and the media.  and even big-tech.  Anywhere there is money, there is going to be corruption.   I always thought at a  local level , the US had more governing integrity.  It wasn't like you could hand a cop a 50 and get a pass on a ticket or some other small offense.  Or like you were going to bribe a judge and your crime would disappear.   This can be done in other countries.  And I could never understand those things. Also paying for kids to get into good schools and not on their merits etc.  We just didn't have this in the US.  But there has always existed corruption in the federal government in the US.  Congress has no problem taking lots of money from special interests but a kid playing football at college cant get some free shoes from girl who thinks he's cute.  This, i could never understand.  Then there are laws and polices that are made to favor the special interests and those congressmen and their friends.   Congressmen and other officials think that laws do not apply to them.  People who get in their way are arrested with federal laws so ambiguous and far reaching that each and everyone us are basically criminals in the eyes of federal law.  And they can and have arrested the whistle blower long before the offender.   Then there is the federal coercion.  You want your money for schools, you have to do this, you want your money for roads you have to do this.. etc etc .. then states stopped governing and the federal government became dictator of all.   This state off affairs has existed a long long long time in the US.   We also know that drug companies will do anything to bury cheap treatments and they do it all with the help of the FDA.    We know that licensing boards have and will only back "approved treatments"  so doctors have been violating their oaths in a medicine for profit system for very very long time as well. AND we should all have noted that there is no money in keeping people healthy.

    You would have to be both blind and and idiot if you did not see this happening.   We should all have always been this awake.   So, if you were not this awake, you have some serious mental limitations.  I am not going to mince words here.   Because, I am sure that 99% of the people on this site were well aware of those affairs for a long time.    However, though this stuff has always existed, and I was aware of it, I never could have dreamed that the people "SHEEP"  were so long gone.  This is the awakening for me. AND those so complicit and willing to aid in that corruption and not care , EVEN if it killed people ( tons of people )    This is what i still have a tough time wrapping my head around.   Its not even learning about all the false flags,  the stolen election,  the utter censorship,  the labeling of people to demonize them.   Its not even area 51 and and the aliens.  It is trying to figure where and what the hell the sheep are thinking - that can be so ignorant.  There has to be some simple gut feeling, that has to say something is not as we are sold.  And then it is those , that will harm and steal from others to make a buck or be favored by the system..  I sit here each day and think this is not only much worse than I could have ever imagined, but it is actually not even in something I could have dreamed.  AND it is all because of ignorance at a  level that makes no logic for anyone that has half an education or given a 2 ton machine to move along towards other people at 75MPH.   I am not sure how these people survived childhood.. perhaps why children today would not have survived when I grew up.  Perhaps this is the way to thin the heard.   Though , there are people , I would have characterized as smart, asking why would the media lie?  And there is no way the election could have been stolen etc. They also want to say follow the science.. When they have little to no knowledge of science themselves and are completely unable and worse, unwilling to discuss such science.

    I want to blame my sisters and brothers, parents, uncles, neighbors, mailman, ups driver, my dry cleaner,and others for letting all this happen.  It is only due to their ignorance and reluctance to even discuss or debate and remain fully unaware that we are in approaching utter destruction.

     

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 6:45pm

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    "Good and faithful servant"?

    Rephrased

    Little lamb of the priests.

    God doesn't want you grovelling obsequiously. He wants you Free to experience the results of wise and foolish decisions so that we become wise and help each other.

    Get off your knees, Abrahamist.

    This lady has work to do to meet up with like-minded womenfolk in order to elect an Overmother, and then get Her recognized as a force of social control, assisted by Maidens and protected by young, armed men.

    But first she must break free of the Abrahamic thrall.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 7:01pm

    brushhog

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    brushhog said:

    Oh the old blame the victim argument...Sad!

    Whats sad is that you see people who have been given access to all the same information as the rest of us as "victims" for making a bad decision.

    I can see somebody who was coerced because they were afraid to lose their job, but for all the rest?No. They had access to all the same information that we did.

     

    There are two parties, the liers and the lied to.

    You take away someones agency, their free will, and their freedoms by lying to them then MANDATING that lie and back it up with real punishment.

    Are the several billion people who got the jab acting of their own free will? Acting with agency. Acting unethically?

    The cartoon you posted and your comments say that you think they are. WRONG

    Just because somebody lies to you doesnt mean you are compelled to believe them. Particularly if the liar has been caught lying over and over again. Weapons of mass destruction, incubators babies, we're not spying on Americans....oh, yeah we are, Russia hoax, fake impeachment, covington kids, mostly peaceful protests, two weeks to flatten the curve, human to human transmission is impossible, masks dont work, masks do work [ and you should wear two ], all the way up to 'safe and effective' vaccines.

    Most of the people who were vaxxed [ the overwhelming majority ] got vaxxed BEFORE the mandates were in effect. so, yeah they made a choice. They chose to believe people who have lied, manipulated, cheated and stole from them over and over again for decades.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 7:03pm

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    DaveDD said:

    Hi disappointed,

    I would suggest that you read up on some more studies, for example, studies from Israel. The effectivity decreases over time, hence the need for boosters.

    You are right with your statement about the relation with age. Unfortunately, the “pro-vaxxers” deny this relationship and claim that all human beings, including babies that is, have to be poked. And, as they are on already distributing the fourth booster in Israel, most probably for the rest of their life.

    If this would have been a “live and let live” show, we and most others here would have occupied ourselves otherwise. Unfortunately, people that are critical about the vax, the months used to develop and test i.o. years etc etc, are forced to take the jab under the thread of loosing their job, and increasing animosity of vaxx believers.

    So, I’m wondering why you are actually disappointed? If you have taken the jab, I wouldn’t worry, after all, we are all adults and fully capable to deal with the consequences of our informed decisions. If you want to take the jab because you believe in the science as proclaimed by politicians and journalists, please do take it, I would advice you however to read the documents readily available on internet. I’m the only one I currently know who read all of it, although every Dutch person got the link to these documents in their invitation for the jab. There are hundreds of pages distributed over several links. I would urge you to focus on the potential “long term risks” of this document

    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/rmp-summary/comirnaty-epar-risk-management-plan_en.pdf#page69

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 7:53pm

    Netlej

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    To brushhog

    "Most of the people who were vaxxed [ the overwhelming majority ] got vaxxed BEFORE the mandates were in effect. so, yeah they made a choice. They chose to believe people who have lied, manipulated, cheated and stole from them over and over again for decades."

    That is a lie! the vast majority of people got the vax because if they didn't they would be singled out in one way or another.

    I am really getting sick and tired of the direction of this discussion where we blame the victims here. My point here is that as bad as the lies are by TPTB the average joe/jane going up against each other, whether blaming them for not conforming or for conforming, IS THE BIGGER PROBLEM!

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:12pm

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    Blame the Victims?

    I must not be as smart as everybody else here, but how can vaccinated people be considered "victims"?? According to hospitalization/death rates above the age of 50 (lower if you have comorbidities) I am unable to understand how this vaccine doesn't IMPROVE one's health outlook given the pandemic. Sure, I get the cynical outlook of the government which raises queations about unknown long-term effects of the vaccine, but how can one confidently state that these are likely to be worse than the virus itself?

    Yes, this picture is murkier for the under 30 crowd with 0 comorbidities (still shocked that "cost-benefit" analyses are taboo) and yes the lack of investigation into certain side effects such as menstrual cycle disruptions is infuriating.....but calling anyone who judged this particular vaccine a "victim" or any synonym "dumb" is nonsensical based on the data that I have seen presented, even that discussed by CM.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:18pm

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    JoshuaGreen said:

    I don't know how my investment holdings are currently allocated, and other than those I know of no financial interest that I have in the pharmaceutical industry.

    It's fine to argue about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines.  I just disagree with Chris's confidence that the study he presented here establishes a lack of efficacy.  I'm also not sure it's true that the manufacturers have zero liability.  Vaccines would normally be covered by the NCVIA, but the COVID crop are covered by the PREPA (yes, even Comirnaty).  That Wikipedia page suggests that manufacturers can still be sued for "willful misconduct that resulted in death or serious physical injury" -- and that would seem like a necessary carve-out -- but other phrasing there is less clear.  I'll have to look into this more.

    I have no doubt that the vaccines are profitable, but I imagine that any medical solutions to COVID deployed at the necessary scale would be similarly profitable.

    I understand being suspicious of Pharma, but accepting claims like those I see around here takes so much more than that.  It's not enough to be skeptical of a company (say Pfizer); one has to similarly be skeptical of the other vaccine manufacturers, as well as our CDC and FDA, as well as the similar institutions around the world, as well as anyone who is reporting positively on the vaccines.  Maybe you've reached a point where that set of beliefs makes sense to you, but I'm just not there.

    I too believe in choice in general, but this is an unusual situation.  We've accepted other vaccine mandates, so it takes something beyond a desire for personal choice to argue against the ones right now.  Personally, I'd prefer to see a mandate that gave individuals a choice to

    1. get vaccinated, or
    2. submit to regular testing, or
    3. (somehow) demonstrate immunity from a prior infection.

    However, I wouldn't be in charge of implementing (2) and (3), and if those that would be see them as impractical then I'm not sure I'm in a position to argue.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:37pm

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    JoshuaGreen said:

    Once you have natural immunity you are good to go.

    I'd be fine with this, honestly.  The challenge would be demonstrating that immunity.  I'm not sure what the proper test(s) would be, so let's go with your T-cell test at $159 as a lower bound.  Should we test every person who claims they had a prior infection and doesn't want to be vaccinated?  Who will pay for those tests?  That's where I think the rub is.  Allowing individuals to pay for it creates a two-tier system, but society paying for it is more expensive than paying for vaccines.

    That some vaccinated individuals can catch the disease, suffer from it, and even spread it doesn't prove that the vaccines are useless.  They still seem to be helpful at reducing symptoms, and there's evidence that they continue to reduce spread.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:45pm

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    See what Joshua did there?

    "I too believe in choice in general, but this is an unusual situation.  We've accepted other vaccine mandates, so it takes something beyond a desire for personal choice to argue against the ones right now.  Personally, I'd prefer to see a mandate that gave individuals a choice to

    1. get vaccinated, or
    2. submit to regular testing, or
    3. (somehow) demonstrate immunity from a prior infection."

    How about choice #4 -- no vaccine or testing mandate or need to demonstrate natural immunity?  How about for most people, this virus just isn't that dangerous?  And since these are leaky/non-sterilizing "vaccines" (actually, mRNA serum treatments that reduce the severity of COVID illness [at the cost of wrecking your immune's ability to mount a natural response]), whether or not I am "vaccinated" does not make a material difference in whether or not the pandemic continues.  Matter of fact, as a non-"vaxxed" person, should I get sick (unlikely since I'm healthy and have prepared the ever-lovin' heck out of my terrain) I would *feel* sick and stay home and not pass it to other people.  Whereas, the "vaxxed" would have mild symptoms if any and therefore be out and about, posing an actual contagion risk.

    I'm not anti C-19 "vax".  But I am adamantly anti-mandate.  The stupidity/evil of TPTB shoving this mandate down civilization's throat (and our civilization is already starting to choke) is breathtaking.  So is the sadly high level of credulity among seemingly educated and intelligent people out there.  MADNESS.

    Either you're a (pretty slick) troll, Joshua, or you're so captured by the narrative you can't see outside the MSM cul-de-sac in which you're trapped.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:48pm

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    Sand puppy

    I am intrigued by your approach. That has always been my approach with illnesses in the past as a mother, it just felt natural. Have you been tested for antibodies? Or T cells? I’m only asking because I read recently that people who have taken Ivermectin often tested positive for immunity and probably were able to keep the infection asymptomatic. I think it was something from India.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:57pm

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    JoshuaGreen said:

    @richcabot, thank you for your comments.

    I agree that the responses to the vaccines are unlikely to be uniform.  Still, the vaccines do supply a consistent dose of whatever they include, so I suspect they provide more uniformity than arbitrary infection levels (especially given varied testing methodology throughout this pandemic).  Nonetheless, I'd love to see tests of vaccinated individuals' immunity, as it would be nice to pin down any differences due to physiology.  That didn't seem necessary earlier this year when the results of increased vaccination were looking really good, but I agree that we should get this data now.

    All of which ignores the fundamental issue that passports are an evil idea in the first place.

    Perhaps "vaccine passports" is the wrong framing.  Parents regularly have to show proof of vaccination for their children to get them into school.  I consider the current vaccine requirements analogous.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 8:59pm

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    brushhog said:

    That is a lie! the vast majority of people got the vax because if they didn't they would be singled out in one way or another

    I really dont like your choice of words or the way you speak to me and other people here. If you disagree with my point, say so. Calling me a liar is cowardly on an anonymous platform and it makes me see you as a little brat whose using his mothers computer in the basement.

    Grow the fuck up and learn to behave like a respectful adult. Until then, you have nothing to say that anybody needs to pay attention too. I dont have discussions with morons, so I guess this one is over.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 9:01pm

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    I also support option 4.

    People who want to force on others the “choice” of 1, 2 or 3 as stated above can go and eat a bag of dicks. I’ve had covid BTW but I opposed to mandates in all forms because if the government can force choice 1,2 or 3 on us what else can they force on us? Where does it end? Hey I think you guys all eat too much meat. Let’s make a new law that you can only eat 16oz of meat per month. No beer for you today at the store. You’ve already consumed your monthly allotment. No, it doesn’t matter that you had friends over and they consumed all your beer. All that matters is what your social credit app says.

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 10:15pm

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    Traceable Markers in the Shots?

    "Did the World Economic Forum Admit that the Covid Vax Injects Traceable Markers?"

    Did Klaus Schwab and World Economic Forum Admit The COVID Vaccine Injects Traceable Markers? Their Promoted “COVIDPass” Blood Test Requires Them

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 11:01pm

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    Healthy behaviors. Enforced by law

    I tell you what you must do, for your own good.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 2:16am

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    Electrical current and dandelion to destroy Spike Proteins

    Looked this up per N.L.'s comment. Kindly sent me German link.

    Mild electrical current, .0001 amps can stop spike proteins.

    I have heard in an interview that the substance in the vaccine responds to a positive charge to "activate."  I don't know particulars other than what this reference states about the German Hassel University findings.

    Electric fields inactivate the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein

    According to the current scientific consensus, the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus primarily spreads through the air. Making the virus harmless there is a promising way of reducing the risk of infection indoors. A German research team has now shown that the spike protein on the coronavirus, which the virus uses to penetrate cells, can be deactivated using electrical fields. This technology could be used in air filter systems, for example.

    https://www.archyde.com/killing-coronavirus-sars-cov-2-with-electrical-voltage-healing-practice/

    Nature.com

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-25478-7

    Dandelion lef extract also blocks them.

    https://dreddymd.com/2021/06/29/research-dandelion-leaf-extract-blocks-spike-proteins-from-binding-to-the-ace2-cell-surface-receptor/

     

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 2:20am

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    alles van waarde is weerloos

    Sow and thou shalt reap

    https://dailyartofwar.substack.com/p/be-disciplined-to-feign-confusion

    Edit: I noticed too many similarities in responses of certain posters, some are here to sow confusion. Not saying JG is one of them, but it is my opinion he is one of them… Just like a few others. There are some signs: some of these posters give an answer to any counter argument with “@so and so” to feign that they are good listeners, while hijacking whole threads, and stirring up emotions. Others seem to reply, but actually they are in a continuous loop, just like Brandon and his fake news spreaders.

    Sure, we are in the midst of something we were never in before in our lives. Discussion is needed as the whole thing develops. And yes, I personally believe that a discourse is very important to not turn into an echo chamber. But, as soon as someone starts to either misrepresent facts, or proclaim that authority and compliance trumps freedom, I’m done with this poster. 

    The majority of posters here are too polite imo. This is btw a good sign, it means that the majority respect other peoples opinions. And they allow themselves and others to doubt.

    There is a phrase of a Dutch poet: “alles van waarde is weerloos”. Without paying attention to the alliteration, this roughly translates to:

    everything of value is defenseless

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 3:15am

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    Got it, get it, good

    Joshua posted:

    I just disagree with Chris's confidence that the study he presented here establishes a lack of efficacy

     

    My Mother-in-Law went on an airplane trip sponsored by a travel agent with her walking friends. They were two groups of 17 and part of a much larger group. The surprise destination was Albania. She came back home a few weeks ago, and out of the 34 people that formed the two groups - 25 have come down with COVID-19 (74%).

    Now you can say that inspite of being double-vaccinated the vaccine was not very effective.

    Or you can say, the Albanians did not respect distancing measures and face-masks; only around 30% of their population is vaccinated. Thankfully through, by being fully-vaccinated, I only came down with a mild case.

    I have been vaccinated against all sorts of things during my life. In France politicians and police do not have to be vaccinated. You get the idea?

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 4:25am

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    unsafe at any speed

    I'm also not sure it's true that the manufacturers have zero liability.

    Manufacturers have zero liability.  Your being not sure doesn't alter this.  Wiki is a source that's captured by Pharma.  Hundreds of billions in revenues - per year - are at stake.  So Wiki shall be captured.

    I have no doubt that the vaccines are profitable, but I imagine that any medical solutions to COVID deployed at the necessary scale would be similarly profitable.

    Yep.  That's why the Trusted News Initiative is in place. Nothing must disturb this money train that comes only once in a generation.  A virus funded by NIH, implemented at the WIV, escaped from the lab, with the "solution" patented by Pharma well before the "leak", with Pharma's patented product mandated by governments worldwide.  Man, its GOOD to be a Pharma shareholder.

    I understand being suspicious of Pharma.

    Well, only because they are serial felons, responsible for killing hundreds of thousands if not millions, and have repeatedly shown they do not care whether we live or die.  Just like the tobacco industry.  Liberals used to believe this.   "Unsafe at any speed."  Now that's a Liberal.  Where is the modern Ralph Nader, who understands that corporations are endemically corrupt? Because - "maximize shareholder value."

    Josh you aren't a liberal.  You're a corporate tool.  Either a paid tool, or a volunteer tool.   From this distance, I can't tell which one.

    I too believe in choice in general, but this is an unusual situation.

    Clearly you don't *really* believe in choice, or else you'd grant us all bodily sovereignty.  My body my choice. Pharma doesn't believe in choice either.  All must be coerced into taking their product.  Gosh.  What a profitable viewpoint.  Which you share.  Because - "unusual situations."

    Unusually profitable, for sure.  So a bunch of Plebes must die?  Who cares!  Not Pharma.  There are an almost infinite number of Plebes.  Just another day at the office.

    HIV patients get to decide - all on their own - whether or not to take ARV medicine.  ARV is not mandated.  And arguably, HIV is a much more deadly disease than COVID19.  And yet...no mandate "for the greater good"?  Why might that be?  HIV patients are allowed free will.  (How long will this last, I wonder?)

    For COVID, under age 30, there is virtually zero mortality.  COVID is typically a 3-day affair.  Especially with early treatment.  And the vaccines neither prevent infection or transmission.  So we mandate the mostly-invulnerable youth take them? That only benefits Pharma.    Certainly not the youth.  If it weren't such a profitable policy, I'd call it idiotic.  So given the structural incentives in place, I must conclude that the policy is actually corporate-sociopathic-maximize-shareholder-value.  No liability, after all.

    You remind me of all those smart people running marketing for GM back in the 60s who told us all that the Corvair was a fine automobile.  Except, in reality, it was Unsafe at Any Speed.  And people died as a direct result.

    I guess we get to re-learn the lesson of structural corporate sociopathy every generation.  "Maximize shareholder value" without liability is a license to kill people for profit.

    Man.  Its almost as if that EUA law was put into place for this very situation.

    Unsafe at Any Speed.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 4:37am

    You've been Nudged...!

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    Replay to Netlej

    You see everyone as innocent victims - incapable of personal agency, & absolved of unethical decisions or bad life choices, but just found an old 2007 post from Chris Martenson:

    "It truly seems that unless one is willing to take control of and responsibility for one's own outcomes, then bad outcomes are the result.

    It is a direct mechanism for health where people's poor dietary and lifestyle choices lead to 'diabesity' and all the metabolic disease issues that result.

    But it goes well beyond that where we've ceded responsibility and control for a huge number of vitally important things including food, entertainment, security, and everything else vitally important but which can be co-opted and sold back to us.

    It feels good to be among those who are actively resuming responsibility for ourselves, our loved ones and the future."

    The image which started this debate:

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 5:22am

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    I'm not a victim, so far

    Brushhog wrote:

    Most of the people who were vaxxed [ the overwhelming majority ] got vaxxed BEFORE the mandates were in effect. so, yeah they made a choice. They chose to believe people who have lied, manipulated, cheated and stole from them over and over again for decades.

    Yes, those of us who got the vax earlier in the year chose to do so and did so without the strong coercion we've seen since early September.

    I got it because:

    • Pandemics are real and have happened in the past. Eg. the Hong Kong flu of '68
    • The excess mortality rates around the world are real
    • Even countries, like Russia and Iran were taking Covid-19 seriously and reporting lots of deaths. They aren't part of the Washington / Davos consensus, so why would they be playing along with a massive hoax led by the West?

    So as a vaccinated person I'm not a victim and I'm not an oppressor; I'm just someone who made a different call than you did when faced with this Covid-19 thing.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 5:58am

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    agree

    FWIW Sean I agree with you.  I've got smart friends who made the same choice you did.  The whole "vaccine" branding was marketing genius.  I have a friend who was in the military and was vaccinated for some large number of situations.  Nothing bad happened to him, so he assumed the same thing would be true for this "vaccine" too.

    But at this point - with the shots clearly failing, and with the coercion ramping up even higher - things are looking pretty creepy.

    Me, I'm just naturally suspicious of Pharma.  And the "No Treatments For You" campaign made me incredibly suspicious.  When Fauci kneecapped HCQ back in April 2020 - it took me maybe a month or two to really internalize what had just happened, but once I did, I started assuming the worst.  (Jim's forum post: "Hydroxychloroquine And The Globalist Deep State" sure was prophetic.)  And when all Fauci did was pump vaccines - I just assumed they were bad news.

    Plus I knew my risk was low.  And I had family who had been through the illness and came out fine.

    And did I mention early treatment?

    But if I didn't know all that stuff - what would I have done?  I don't know.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 6:04am

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    The Nature of Human Supremacism

    Option #4 should be called Body Autonomy.

    Authoritarians like to gloss over their premises. What’s the premise being side-stepped here?

    That viruses have no place in the symphony of life and that it is humanity’s destiny to circumvent the role they play in our biosphere.

    We can jokingly call this “Viral Rights”.
    Seriously, though: instead of humility at how a microscopic entity can bring us to our knees, we just stack on more hubris, inspiring such nonsensical ideas like contact with germs and microbes is somehow inhumane or gasp! alien to the Earthling experience.

    What is entirely unorthodox is the charade being played out by the highest levels of power on Earth.

     

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 7:50am

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    brushhog said:

    • Pandemics are real and have happened in the past. Eg. the Hong Kong flu of '68

    • The excess mortality rates around the world are real

    • Even countries, like Russia and Iran were taking Covid-19 seriously and reporting lots of deaths. They aren't part of the Washington / Davos consensus, so why would they be playing along with a massive hoax led by the West?

    I agree, you're not a victim. You made a decision that may turn out to be the right one. But let me ask you this...it never occurred to you after all the lies and/or errors in judgement [ not transmissible human to human...2 weeks to flatten the curve...masks, suppressing treatments etc, etc ]...that the same people who made all those mistakes and told all those lies, might be lying and/or mistaken again??

    Especially now that we know without much doubt that the "pandemic" came from a lab? And that they lied about it, calling it a "debunked conspiracy theory" repeatedly? Or that the people pushing the vaccines were directly involved in the creation of the disease itself?

    Im not judging your choice, Im just trying to understand it. To me, it was so glaring and ridiculous that I dont fully understand the process by which somebody makes the decision to trust what they are told by these people.

    [As far as other countries like Russia, etc going along with it, it came out that pretty much the world was taking it's information from the WHO, which it later turned out was carrying water for the CCP. Literally mimicking whatever talking points the CCP put out without any investigation, etc. The USA cut funding to the agency because it was felt that their organization was compromised and lacked credibility for that reason. All of that came out before the vaccines were available, so you knew all that going in.]

    Again, Im not criticizing, Im trying to understand. It might be that I overlooked something or are viewing your decision from the wrong perspective. It honestly baffles me.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 8:11am

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    Another Perspective for Joshua

    JoshuaGreen wrote:

    I too believe in choice in general, but this is an unusual situation.  We've accepted other vaccine mandates, so it takes something beyond a desire for personal choice to argue against the ones right now.  Personally, I'd prefer to see a mandate that gave individuals a choice to

    1. get vaccinated, or
    2. submit to regular testing, or
    3. (somehow) demonstrate immunity from a prior infection.

    However, I wouldn't be in charge of implementing (2) and (3), and if those that would be see them as impractical then I'm not sure I'm in a position to argue.

    Joshua,

    I get the sense that you are willing to sacrifice our liberty for a personal feeling of security. You want proof that prior infection immunity is worthwhile, yet you don't question the immunity that supposedly comes from getting the jab.

    If you value science as much as you allude, you'd realize that viruses make mistakes during the replication process - not with every copy - but enough that new combinations occur frequently. Many of these mutations are dead-on-arrival. Those that are able to slink around whatever immunity the host has - can infect other cells and generate copies of itself. If enough are made, the viruses escape the host to infect other hosts. It's just what viruses do.

    Coronaviruses are particularly adept at this process. The common cold is caused by a coronavirus. Have you ever heard of a successful vaccine against this? There are none that work long term because of the mutations. The same thing is going on with Sars-Cov2. It should be obvious that the various variants have mutations that allow the virus to bypass whatever immunity (natural or injected) stands in its way.

    For instance, the original Sars-Cov2 contained a Furin cleavage site in the spike proteins which is denoted by the amino acid sequence as PRRA. The Delta variant has mutated this sequence as RRRA. That was enough to make the original vaxxine essentially useless. That's why having booster shots is so critical. Of course, those will become equally useless over time (because viruses will mutate around the jabs.) How many jabs are you willing to accept? You better plan on accepting them for the rest of your life. Have you considered that?

    Wouldn't it be better to focus on giving your body the tools it needs to keep pathogens from causing disease? We used to get sufficient nutrition from our food. With the advent of modern farming and supermarket marketing, nutrition isn't as important as having produce that looks ideal. Nutrition takes a back seat at best. More below your quote, but this is an appropriate time to introduce more of your written thoughts.

    Earlier in your post, you wrote:

    I understand being suspicious of Pharma, but accepting claims like those I see around here takes so much more than that.  It's not enough to be skeptical of a company (say Pfizer); one has to similarly be skeptical of the other vaccine manufacturers, as well as our CDC and FDA, as well as the similar institutions around the world, as well as anyone who is reporting positively on the vaccines.  Maybe you've reached a point where that set of beliefs makes sense to you, but I'm just not there.

    Have you heard Fauci (or any of the vax-mad scientists) suggest taking vitamins/minerals to augment what used to be naturally sufficient levels in our food? I haven't. I have heard from others that Fauci takes vitamin D, but he won't suggest that to the populace who pay his wages. Does that instill trust in your mind? What else is he hiding? Why would he hide this basic information?

    It isn't just Fauci. Why can't doctors practice medicine as they see fit? Why can't a doctor prescribe hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin? Frankly, it's because big Pharma can't make money if these treatments get used. Just like a virus, big Pharma has mutated to become more successful. They found that being a shield for doctors against law suits makes doctors more likely to prescribe "approved" medications. After all, if a doctor prescribes an approved medication for symptoms that said medication is approved, their liability diminishes markedly. Surely, you can see that isn't just a coincidence.

    It goes deeper. Who is the biggest advertiser on Prime Time TV? Watch the nightly news on any commercial station and focus on the commercials. The majority are pharmaceutical related. Rhetorically, have you ever boycotted a business because you didn't agree with one of their business practices? Imagine if you were big enough and spent enough to influence management's decisions. Would you approve of any news story that contradicts the messages you promote? Would the management get the hint if you threatened to take your business elsewhere?

    And what about politicians? The first rule in politics is that you can't "do good" if you aren't elected. The corollary is that you can't continue to "do good" if you don't remain elected. As soon as the election is over, politicians start looking for funding for the next election. Campaign contributions flow in when politicians grant little favors. The little favors are loopholes in the laws they pass. Just like the mainstream media, would politicians bite the hand that feeds them?

    The FDA is about half funded by fees generated from reviewing and approving drugs. The other half is supplied by politicians who are keenly interested in keeping their watchdogs on a tight leash. Have you noticed that bigwigs in FDA get cushy jobs in big Pharma after retiring? Does that raise any red flags for you? I could go on and on. Hopefully, your eyes are a bit more open.

    There is corruption throughout the system. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to develop some grand scheme. It happens in little ways that all support the same direction (more money and more power.) Unfortunately, bright-eyed individuals buy the rhetoric and naïvely push it on the rest of us.

    The bottom line is that I truly believe the jabs are detrimental because of their prion "zippers". It should be obvious that the shots have a shelf life of just a few months of "protection" before viral mutations bypass that protection. I'm saddened that you (and others) so willingly accept and promote the vaxxines without concern that there are no long-term studies to prove these jabs are safe and effective. Worse still, you would likely vote to force me to receive the jab. I find that reprehensible.

    Grover

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 9:24am

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    DaveDD said:

    Correction, JG is willing to sacrifice our freedom, not only his...

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 9:28am

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    Reply to Grover

    Speaking as a UK citizen, I don't think it's ever had a vaccine mandate except in, er, 1853.

    The 1853 law mandated vaccination of children against smallpox, which had a fatality rate of, er, 70%. Aaargh ... 70% is very different from 0.05%, 0.15% or whatever the IFR really is in the mass of the population who are susceptible to it. Not all are; see Diamond Princess (Feb. 2020) et al.

    England ... land of liberty (relatively, anyway).

    The government has tried to mandate the jab for care home workers but it's almost certainly acting unlawfully. Unfortunately, you need knowledge and £££ to fight it or if you wait to get fired you still need those resources to take the ex-employer to a tribunal.

    I don't know if this new authoritarianism will sweep our liberties aside. Norway, Sweden and Denmark all take freedom seriously - Sweden's lack of lockdown in 2020 was because the Swedish constitution prohibited it - and all I think have abandoned vaccine passports. You can also I read take an internal flight within those three countries without your private medical data being relevant.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 9:37am

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    Your "they" covers too many people and institutions

    In this comment and several earlier ones you use "they" to indicate the people in charge across a wide selection of institutions.  There is no "they' in that sense.  Instead we have overlapping clusters of opportunists who are largely free from accountability.  We're grossly misgoverned by people who are convinced they're part of some sort of technocratic meritocracy.

    So what's a person supposed to do when presented with yet another pandemic out of the Far East?  A person should take it seriously.  The fact that it escaped from a lab doesn't change that.  A potential threat had been introduced in Wuhan and so labs around the world produced different vaccines in response.  In my corner of the world, only two of them were available when I became eligible at the end of May, so I took one. Why? In order to reduce my risk of getting sick from Covid-19.

    The malpractice of journalists, politicians and bureaucrats was mostly a distraction when trying to decide what to do for your own health once Covid-19 was out there.  A person can still get sick or die from something created in a lab and allowed to spread worldwide.

    We're governed by stupid, selfish and malicious people and we have to navigate around the messes they make.  There is no "they" carrying out one grand and elaborate plan though.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 9:52am

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    DaveDD said:

    I was at a party some time ago, everyone knows that me and my wife were the only unvaxxed persons there. They are still good friends and acquaintances. There were also some eldery people, and persons with co-morbidities. I fully understand their decision. So, for now I'm in a cosy respectful bubble, but I notice that also here cracks are appearing...

    What strikes me is that on PP, as compared to many other sites and social media, you will hardly find any anomosity towards vaxxed, or unvaxxed. If some harsh words, or derogatory descripions are used, it is mainly because people are disappointed, and they usual will also mention that.

    In the end, this stupid virus and vaxx-thing are just some hurdles on our road, in the end, we have to find a way to cope with the three E's, all of us, not some of us.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 9:53am

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    PhilH said:

    Grover, well written!

    A lie told often enough, gets believed to be truth.  Psychologist have deeply studied the Nazi propaganda machine and identified, a person has to hear a lie 9 times to believed to be true.  TNG Picard episode is enlightening.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 10:10am

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    S and N Antibodies Findings

    To piggy-back on Grover's response to Joshua, there's also this from England's Vaccine Surveillance Report, week 42.

    The report looks at blood samples from blood donors. On page 23, the authors note that the testing showed high rates of S antibodies. They think the observed rate in the sample population is likely higher than in the general population: “Seropositivity estimates for S antibody in blood donors are likely to be higher than would be expected in the general population and this probably reflects the fact that [blood] donors are more likely to be vaccinated.”

    On the other hand, the blood samples also indicate “Seropositivity estimates for N antibody will underestimate the proportion of the population [that has been] previously infected.” That is due to several things:

    (i) “blood donors are potentially less likely to be exposed to natural infection than age matched individuals in the general population.”

    (ii) “waning of the N antibody response over time,”

    (iii) “N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination” (according to “recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data”).

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf, pg. 23.

    It's the third finding that holds a nugget of worrying information. It says that natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 appears to be lower in individuals who have had 2 doses of the approved vaccines than in those who have had no vaccines. Put that another way: it's saying that natural immunity appears partially or fully prevented by a double dose of the vaccine.

    If that proves true, vaccinated people will become increasingly dependent upon boosters to fight the virus. Or: once hooked, a person can become hooked for life.

    Expect every booster shot to further degrade T-cell functionality, hence innate immune response. This, to me, is like assaulting the body with too much sugar, only to become dependent upon the very substance that is slowly killing you by gradually then suddenly compromising the function of most every organ and system.

    Worse, if T-cell function is suppressed, the body becomes less able to manage or fight off other viruses, which might explain the increasing finding that people are surfacing other diseases and maladies post-Covid vaccination.

    This path does not serve the welfare of the human species over the long term. I think the vaccinated will largely regret it over time. And were I vaccinated, I would be aggressively following the FLCCC protocol for exposure toot sweet, and then the long haul treatment regime for, I don't know, a very long, long time. But under everything, I would be certain my Vit D level was consistently above 50 ng/ml blood.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 10:44am

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    Really, higher testing rate in highly vaxxed counties?

    Even with all of the required testing for the unvaccinated to work, go to events, travel, etc?  I think this is true even in many red states and certainly true in red counties within blue states.  In my area, I see most of the vaccinated still behaving as if their invincible.  I wouldn't expect them to choose to get tested.  It would be great to assemble real data on this to settle the question.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 11:14am

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    "They"

    Sean wrote,

    We're governed by stupid, selfish and malicious people and we have to navigate around the messes they make. There is no "they" carrying out one grand and elaborate plan though.

    I can't tell you exactly who the "they" is, nor the pecking order among the "theys", but they is out there.  Many of us were schooled on "they" when we realized 9/11 was not an organic action conceived by a bunch of middle Eastern terrorists, rather these guys, to the extent that they even existed on the planes that day, were patsies set up by some of "they".  They exist.  Knowing "they" exist is actually the only way that all that we know about the virus, the response, and the incredible lockstep tyranny makes sense, if you think about it.

    I understand you are fighting cognitive dissonance... you need to get through it and see clearly.  You have been programmed Sean...  many of us here are willing and able to help you on your path to the red pill.  In the context of Covid-19 and these mRNA shots... you have another choice coming up;  Booster or no booster.

    Let's keep talking...

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 11:15am

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    The FLCCC Guidelines for the Vaccinated

    I'm doing what you described in your last paragraph and am recommending it to other vaccinated people as well.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 11:39am

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    brushhog said:

    In this comment and several earlier ones you use "they" to indicate the people in charge across a wide selection of institutions.  There is no "they' in that sense.  Instead we have overlapping clusters of opportunists who are largely free from accountability.  We're grossly misgoverned by people who are convinced they're part of some sort of technocratic meritocracy.

    But you've seen the media, the government, and the medical establishment move in lock step towards the same agenda. They've repeated the same lies...not just once but this has happened over and over again.

    Clearly if groups of people are constantly acting in concert towards the same goal "they" can be considered a "they"? If they are all independent, why isnt there more than one narrative and why is that narrative consistently proven wrong over and over? They are all independently making the same mistakes simultaneously??

    Didnt we see the cooperation between government intel, the media, officials, and members of the deep state cooperating in lock step against president Trump every single day for four years? They told us they had proof that he was working with the Russians...high ranking officials came on TV and said they had proof, the media repeated this lie 24/7...they cooperated in a lie. 2 years of investigation found nothing. They lied.

    Same with the early coverage of covid...is it possible that the media [ whose job is supposed be to find the truth and report it objectively ], never asked where the disease came from and never questioned that there was a bio-lab down the block from the "wet-market"? They just repeated what the Chinese government said and called people conspiracy theorists for suggesting the obvious?

    That doesnt strike you as odd that they would collude in that way? Or that none of our supposed "intelligence" agencies would have raised the point?

    I mean you can't really believe that "they" arent cooperating, and havent cooperated to push the same agenda many many times?

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 11:52am

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    There is no one "they", there are overlapping and interlinked "theys"

    Thank you, I get what you are saying but I'll insist there is no one "they", no one hierarchy that orchestrated both 9/11 and the Covid-19 pandemic.  From everything I can tell we have a system of governance in which a handful of people can rig the game in their domain while another set of people can do the same in theirs.  In other words, people in the US national security domain can arrange to have their "new Pearl Harbor" while, years later, Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak can offshore their gain of function research and then take over the investigation when it goes spectacularly wrong.  Pfizer and Moderna can then rig the vaccine roll-out while other cliques are rigging the US election.  So there are overlapping cliques and alliances chattering, re-calibrating and harmonising as best they can, rather than there being one "they".

     

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 12:04pm

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    brushhog said:

    I think thats probably true but all the people you mentioned..Fauci, Big Pharma, the medical establishment, the mainstream media etc are all pushing the vaxx very hard. They are co-joined and all collaborating on the vaccine agenda. Does that give you pause or raise any red flags?

     

    In other words, if you have all the known liars together in one room all telling the same lie, does that give the lie more credibility or less?

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 12:09pm

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    I'm seeing what you see as well

    Yes I'm seeing everything you describe but it looks as though they're far more disorganised and wrong-footed by events than they would be if it were all centrally orchestrated.  As I laid out in my comment above, I think we live under an overlapping network of rigged games.  They're competent and coordinated enough to hold their positions and profit from them but not competent or coordinated enough to pull off what you describe.

    How does all this relate to the Covid-19 vaccines?  I think the SARS-CoV-2 was created and escaped thanks to "regulatory capture" in both Washington and China, that it really does kill and sicken people and that another heavily rigged game made Moderna and Pfizer rich with these mRNA vaccines.  I took the Moderna because, in this imperfect world, it looked like the best way to keep me personally from getting ill.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 12:12pm

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    You may be right Sean....

    Those students of "they" like James Corbett may disagree with you, but I am not well enough versed in this area to know.  It's very complex for sure, with interlinks between WEF, Davos, CFR, etc.  It's a web, maybe a messy one.  Somewhere near or at the top are the bankers because at the end of the day, it's all about the system of money, and control thereof.  This is the crown jewel.

    My natural place in the information wars is fighting the coerced scientism with real science.  I invoked "they" because without at least awareness and acceptance of some version of that framework, one can get very distracted and stuck.  There is still a chance for many to progress in their awakenings and find the reason and courage to avoid the boosters.....   Best regards, Jim

     

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 12:15pm

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    I haven't been listening to them

    "Fauci, Big Pharma, the medical establishment, the mainstream media etc are all pushing the vaxx very hard".  I've been listening to them as little as possible.  I've been making my judgements based on information I've gathered here and elsewhere.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 12:16pm

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    brushhog said:

     I think the SARS-CoV-2 was created and escaped thanks to "regulatory capture" in both Washington and China,

    When you found out that China prevented travel from Wuhan to the rest of China during the outbreak, but allowed travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world did you assume that was an oversight or just irresponsible? Do you think there might have been intent behind that decision?

    Do you think that this outbreak coming on the heals of a trade war with China was coincidental as well?

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 12:21pm

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    Reply to VTGothic

    "If that proves true, vaccinated people will become increasingly dependent upon boosters to fight the virus. Or: once hooked, a person can become hooked for life."

    I had the foresight to contact my dumb MP last year – who just happens to be UK shadow health secretary:

    “I don’t fancy having to go to a biotech company every quarter for the latest ‘patch’ – we’d be the perfect captive market & they’d have the ultimate growth industry… It would be such an easy stunt to pull off as well – holding entire nations to ransom…

    Another speculative post I made recently: it ties into the One Health doctrine with personalised medicine & gene therapy applied through the mighty needle, & people being packed into UN-style ‘smart cities’, while large swathes of countryside/farmland are reforested.
    I reckon the mRNA jabs are loaded with all different kinds of experiments in each batch… Before the pandemic, there was no way that this new kind of volatile biotech would be rolled out en masse, but in a man-made crisis… The fact that there is no strict quality control or needle-aspiration requirements, is also very telling…

    Your quarterly ‘patch update’ will be linked to your social credit score… People favoured by the state may even get their lives extended – whereas ‘the new deplorables’ will have their IQ & life-expectancy lowered etc., a bit like Brave New World. You could still go rural or off grid, etc. & live life as nature intended – away from all the AIs & trans-humans.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 12:26pm

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    A Flyer I Saw

    I read this this morning and wanted the tribe to read it also. This is only my 2nd ever post because I usually prefer to listen than speak (or write as the case may be) I just felt it really fits the bill!

    A Call for Freedom

    TO:

    The President, his advisors/handlers, Representatives, Senators, State Governors, Representatives, Senators as well as City Mayors and Local elected officials.

    There is currently an apparent misunderstanding (by most of you listed above) regarding how this country is supposed to function and the principles for which it has proudly stood for more than 245 years.

    A war weary former President said it best, “that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation, under God shall have a new birth of FREEDOM and that government OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, and FOR THE PEOPLE SHALL NOT perish from this earth!”

    Historically, very few of you (listed above) have sacrificed or gave your lives, lives of your family members or livelihoods in defense of this country. Being elected to a political office has NOT for at least a century, been real service, but a means of self-enrichment! By the greatest of margins in every conflict of this great nation, it’s been THE PEOPLE who have paid the price for FREEDOM with their lives, bodies and minds.

    With this in mind, it is abundantly clear that you have your elected positions in OUR government and that means YOU WORK FOR US! The above war weary President mentioned above understood this. Currently, it is becoming abundantly obvious that YOU DO NOT.  We THE PEOPLE are the ones that tell you what to do! The constitution allows you only very limited authority to mandate anything to THE PEOPLE without due process of law. Nothing in that authority includes what we do with our bodies, how we choose to live our lives or how we raise our children!

    Unless your goals and or desires are to become Dictators, Chairmen members of the Chinese Communist Party or Officials of the Politburo, CEASE AND DESIST with your current course of actions.  We THE PEOPLE can readily prepare our own actions if you don’t!

    Signed,

    THE PEOPLE of THE U.S.A.

    PS: PEOPLE, Elected and unelected officials in your government are lying to you, deceiving you with manipulation of the media, censoring any dissenting opinions, killing you with medical mandates and allowing no legal process. They are ultimately attempting to take direct control of every aspect of your personal life for their own profit and agenda. “WAKE UP—THE PEOPLE!” (The totalitarians are coming HERE!)

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 1:17pm

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    Careful what you slip in there.

    I add in brackets what I claim you are slipping in without saying it directly:

    Perhaps "vaccine passports" is the wrong framing. Parents regularly have to show proof of vaccination for their children to get them into school [And of course we all agree that this is a good idea]. I consider the current vaccine requirements analogous.

    I think you will find some pushback here on the hidden assumption in bracketsl

     

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 1:28pm

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    What is the blood test looking for

    Active infection?  That would be silly because infection status could change quickly.  How often would people get tested?

    Antibodies?  More likely.  But as we know from the NHS vaccine effectiveness reports, antibody tests can test for spike protein (S) antibodies (from vaccination or infection) and nucleocapsid (N) antibodies, from natural infection only.  So what would it be?  And would both infection and vaccination count?

    And of course, the privacy implications and the reputation of the WEF make this a no-go for me right from the start.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 1:44pm

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    What I was doing from late March-May

    I was accompanying a family member to the ER and visiting them in a shared room - numerous times.  During this time, I was close enough to perhaps 10-15 other patients to have an idea what their issue was.  In this time I saw sever tremors in a recently vaccinated 70ish woman, a seizure in a youngish woman in a wheelchair in the ER, a highly likely severe case of myocarditis in a 20ish woman, a 40ish woman with little bruises all over her body and a 50ish woman who could not lift either arm above her shoulder post 2nd dose.  During this time, I heard from friends and family about 2 seizures in a person with no history, a stroke and a new Parkinson's diagnosis post 2nd dose.  Since then, I've heard about 2 more: vestibular disequilibrium post second dose with at least one relapse that started with a seizure or loss of consciousness, and a new diagnosis of rheumatoid arthritis.

    All from a relatively small group of people I would know about.

    I was also aware of the utility of HCQ, IVM, vitamin D, quercetin, vitamin C, zinc, etc.

    No way I was going the vaccine route.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 1:48pm

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    China and Covid-19 as a bioweapon against the US

    When you found out that China prevented travel from Wuhan to the rest of China during the outbreak, but allowed travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world did you assume that was an oversight or just irresponsible? Do you think there might have been intent behind that decision?

    China did that because they look out for themselves.  Closing off Wuhan from the rest of China was good for China.  Whether other countries banned flights from Wuhan was their problem, as far as the Chinese were concerned.

    Do you think that this outbreak coming on the heals of a trade war with China was coincidental as well?

    Two things:

    - Is there a trade war between China and the US?

    - Wouldn't releasing a bioweapon in Wuhan be the clumsiest possible way to get it to the US?

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 1:52pm

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    Add this to your list, Quercus

    My gf's mother (early 80s, overall pretty healthy) now has afib from time to time post-vax.  Last week she woke up with afib, and took a dose of her meds to control it.  No effect.  Took a second dose.  No effect.  Then got all cold and clammy and dizzy and fainted dead away.  Was rushed down to ER but doctors couldn't find anything.  Sent her home.  She's been okay for the week since.

     

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 1:53pm

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    Replying to Electrical current and dandelion to destroy Spike Proteins (#122)

    Are the electric fields weak enough that the spike proteins could be destroyed in vivo?

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 1:56pm

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    Joshua's links brought up some good points

    I wish the comment section nested replies into threads, so I'm sorry if this has been covered already, but Josh's links did get me thinking.  Although increases in COVID cases are unrelated to vaccination status there does seem to be noticeable trends between total case counts and levels of vaccination in  the county level data.  Take a look at figure 2 of the study.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7/figures/2

    From 0-30% there seems to be no effect, then the case rates steadily drop between 30-55% vaccinated.  Above 55% there is no apparent benefit from additional vaccinations.

    My takeaway from this study is that once around 55% of the population is vaxed (presumably the old and vulnerable) the marginal benefit on case counts from pushing the vax on the rest of society is indistinguishable from zero.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 2:03pm

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    I didn't read all the comments, but does anyone else see that this analysis completely ignores the NPIs being relaxed in tandem with vaccination rates?  Seems to me like its a massive factor that ruins this narrative.  Where I am life is basically normal (despite Delta) except for the creepy passports and annoying masks.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 2:16pm

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    China and Covid-19 as a bioweapon against the US

    We are currently being decimated by our own corrupt & lying western governments - so encouraging people to point fingers at China would be a potent act of misdirection for the power elites....

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 3:16pm

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    Base12 said:

    Jwherr, compare your experience to mine.  You say your life is basically normal, but there are creepy passports and annoying masks.    The level of NPI's you are experiencing now are more than what we had at the height of the pandemic last winter.

    Where I live (44% vaxed) there are no creepy passports anywhere.  Also no mask requirements except in hospitals.  My child's pediatrician doesn't even require masks in his practice.  Their school doesn't either.  Maybe 1 out of 10 people at any store are wearing them.

    So no, they didn't take NPIs into account, but the higher vaxed areas have more NPI's still in place than lower vaxed areas.  If you believe NPIs make a difference ( I don't) that would actually weaken the relationship between higher vax = lower cases.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 4:13pm

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    Reply to Grover

    Grover- If the virus has mutated away from the gene therapy, then taking a booster that makes the same exact spike protein will not re-boost your immunity. Each booster would have to have the spike protein, or whatever protein they select, to target the new variant, which they are not doing. This reminds me of the definition of insanity.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 4:15pm

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    taz1999 said:

    vis a vis electric chair; But, you didn't die of covid 🙂

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 4:21pm

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    Voltage in vivo

    Hey Canuck21

    The dosage listed in English translation was .0001amps or 1 milliamp. Stated could be done with a common battery. A TENS can generate milliamps.

    Differences among TENS devices

    Portable TENS devices are powered by small batteries that only provide a few volts; for example, 2 AA batteries create 3 volts.  Therefore, the devices must boost the low battery voltage to a high nerve stimulation voltage, requiring a specialized electronic circuit.  Basic TENS devices have simple circuits that typically generate no more than 40-60 volts.  Prescription devices may provide 100 volts.  Quell has an advanced stimulation circuit based on a proprietary neurostimulation microchip that reliably generates up to 120 volts, which is 2-3 times higher than most OTC TENS devices.

    https://www.quellrelief.com/blog/tens-under-the-hood-maximum-voltage/

     

    Didn't get the details as the original study in German. Will ask my G friends the questions and see if I can fill in.

    HH

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 4:24pm

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    Corruption may not be what you think

    I spent over 30 years in mid-levels of toxic corporations.  The two most common things you saw from upper management were absolute disregard for the well being of the rank and file and contempt for health and safety regulations.  I've personally heard the discussion that goes:  engineer-- we have a health/safety problem, management - what will it cost to fix, engineer $x,xxx, lawyer - the fine for getting caught is only $xxx, manager OK, what about the lawsuits?, lawyer - get rid of this study (copies literally disappeared from the files) and don't do any more like this and they can't prove negligance.  We ignored the problem.
    All hands meeting after a plant fatality - from managers "damn, there go our bonuses"
    At a local level,  you can see zoning battles decided by who has the biggest pocketbook (usually the developer, but notice the difference in outcomes between rich neighborhoods blocking relatively inoculous development and poor neighborhoods where homes are stolen by developers using eminent domain for redevelopment.

    Now this isn't like my friend who went back to india after spending all her adult life in the US.  She was horrified to find she had to bribe people to get power and phone turned on.  Yes, it's in your face there - a fact of life.

    Here, it used to be subtle.  Now, with big money buying politicians, it's everywhere in the US.  I think elsewhere, it's as likely to be the working and middle class who are getting the bribes.  Here, the higher up you go, it appears the bigger your bribes.  Rick Perry, ex governer of TX once said something like "you can't possibly believe I'd take a bribe as small as $5000."  And of couse, often it's not money - it's perks and power - much harder to prove than cash you can follow.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 4:25pm

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    Afib as vaccine effect

    Have circle of friends that are international ethnicities. Of 5 couples vaxxed, 2 women- 1 Brit, 1 American, both developed unexplained Afib with periodic hypertension. One within 6 months, the other within 2 weeks of second jab. All heart tests negative and no previous history of Afib. Seems too coincidental.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 4:31pm

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    So if MNRA vaccines are a problem, if you are forced should you select J&J?

    A thought - J&J has problems, but perhaps not the long-term ones from MNRA.  So if you're forced to be vaccinated or to end up starving under a bridge would it make sense to take the J&J at this point?
    Chris, medical guys - Any thoughts?

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 4:42pm

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    Replying to Afib as vaccine effect (#164)

    I am seeing more and vaxxed friends and relatives with problems that look vaccine related. Often it is weakness in an arm or a leg or both limbs or generalized fatigue. Some connect these problems to the vaccine but they doubt their own judgment since TV news tells them that adverse events are "rare." Some don't connect it to the vaccine until I ask them how long it was after the vaccine that the symptoms appeared. At that point, they begin to suspect that the vaccine might have caused it but they "don't know for sure." And some seem to be okay.

    Overall, I suspect that there are a large number of injuries. But it is not becoming common knowledge since groups of people are not connecting the dots due to the combination of media propaganda and self-doubt. It just isn't becoming part of group discourse.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 4:59pm

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    Pre mandate vaccination

    Most people with a steady job that they have to go to each morning were essentially mandated to get the jab. Everyone I know got the jab within a week or two of availability. All the school teachers I know, from K-12 to Uni got jab because it was made clear that you had to. Most places where people worked had the jab right there and "asked" employees if the wanted it. If you didn't you were scheduled to work less hours, put out to work away from others, canceled, shunned, called an anti-vaxer, so most end up doing it. Being called an anti-vaxxer was something no one wanted because it also implied ignorant or conspiracy theorists.

    I realize that some of you are in a position to be able to refuse the jab but most are not.

    I for one do not blame those who got the jab. Sure I would love it if everyone was as well educated on all the issues as I am fortunate to be but that simply is not going to happen if TPTB have anything to say about it and they have alot to say about it.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 5:56pm

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    Figure 2 seems to show some relationship

    Low vaccination counties have about 500 cases per 100K per week.

    High vaccination counties have about 200 cases per 100K per week.

    Maybe there are confounding factors, but I would say there is an inverse relationship between vaccination rates and case rates.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 5:57pm

    helmadi

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    Panhandle Doctors For Truth Healthcare Freedom Rally October 2021

    http://rumble.com/vo1gpp-panhandle-doctors-for-truth-healthcare-freedom-rally.html

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 6:36pm

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    Once You Get Jabbed, You Can't Get Unjabbed

    Barbara wrote:

    A thought - J&J has problems, but perhaps not the long-term ones from MNRA.  So if you're forced to be vaccinated or to end up starving under a bridge would it make sense to take the J&J at this point?
    Chris, medical guys - Any thoughts?

    Barbara,

    Each vax has its own issues. Since there are no long-term studies, there's no way to know which one is the safest. At this point, it's best to assume all the jabs are poisonous to some extent. (After the long-term studies have been completed, and I have actual data to change my mind, I'll change my mind. Not until then.)

    Any excuse to avoid the jab is a good one. Are you mildly allergic to anything (e.g aspirin ... or coffee ... or whatever)? If so, claim to have allergies to one of the ingredients of the vax. Then, if your company wants to push the issue, take something to trigger your allergy just before getting tested for the ingredient you claim causes allergic reactions. That's one approach.

    Do you have any religious or ethical objections to having a jab that was in part manufactured using aborted fetal cells? If not, can you become a convert for the time being?

    Here's a website that has forms for your employer or school to fill out. The point is to insist that your HR department complete, sign, notarize, and place a copy in your personnel file while you retain the original copy that has a wet signature. Let the company know that since they require the vax as part of employment, they are legally responsible for any medical issues caused by the vax. (Imagine what that will do to their bonuses.) This appeals to their selfish greed - especially if you have others in your office you can share this with.

    https://home.solari.com/forms/

    Are there other approaches that might work? I'm sure there are. It takes some ingenuity and creativity. The rest of your life may be on the line. Give it your best,

    Grover

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 6:46pm

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    Can’t find that disclaimer

    I’ve looked around a bit but can’t find anything about Dr Mikovits clarifying statements about pine needle tea counteracting spike protein manufacture in our bodies. I’ll thank you for posting that info.
    As to toxicity of pine needles, yes, a few pines seem to be toxic for cattle—which might consume needles in large quantities—and some trees that aren’t pines—podocarpus macrophilla, or Japanese Yew notably—are mentioned.
    So I’m not terribly worried about Long Leaf and Slash pines, common where I am, being toxic in the quantities sufficient for making an infusion. I submit that no one should be, and that it won’t be difficult to identify a species and determine if it’s toxic.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 7:03pm

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    Another way to look at forced jabs

    If, in 2 - 5 years from now, 10% of the vaccinated population (or 33% or 50%) is dead or disabled from the vaxx, will we look back on these dilemmas and conversations differently? Will it seem ridiculous to have debated which vaxx is least bad, or what meds/supplements to take to try to mitigate the effects of the vaxx? Will it seem short-sighted to conclude economic necessity “forced” us to get vaxxed?

    Imagine the same discussions among Jews in 1942 Germany. I’ve been ordered to get on a train tomorrow for a “work camp.” Should I apply for a religious or medical exemption? What should I pack in my suitcase to make the trip more tolerable? Should I write a sternly worded letter to my elected representative? Who should I get to watch my house and shop until I get back? In perfect hindsight, these would’ve been ridiculous issues to even discuss. Radical, life-saving action was required immediately.

    I guess it all depends on where this all leads eventually. Personally, I haven’t been wrong once predicting the worst possible scenarios. Yes, I’ve been early, but never wrong. Events prove me “righter” than ever every week. In a Fourth Turning, it seems planning for the worst case scenario will turn out to be more accurate than any other approach.

    So, would you choose to comply with a vaxx mandate if your chance of death or disability was 10%? 33%? 66%? 90%. Would you rather be poverty-stricken for refusing to comply or dead from the vaxx?  Are you willing to roll the dice that the future will not be nearly as bad as it obviously looks today like it’s going to be?

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 7:13pm

    helmadi

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    Gain-Of-Funstion research

    https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/nih-admits-us-funded-gain-of-function-in-wuhan-despite-faucis-repeated-denials/

     

    https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/faucis-agency-admits-it-funded-gain-of-function-work-in-wuhan-what-else-are-they-keeping-from-us/

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 7:47pm

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    Who Caused Our Covid Problems?

    https://alt-market.us/covid-authoritarians-are-the-cause-of-americas-problems-not-the-unvaccinated/

    There is further evidence of the disconnect I describe in the actions of leftists and the establishment when it comes to vax mandates in the workplace. I can’t tell you how many times I have heard the argument from covid cultists that conservatives “Might say we will refuse to comply, but when our livelihoods are threatened we will submit.” They believe this because that’s how THEY would respond. They are cowardly weaklings with no heart, no principles and no morals. They think that since they would cave in to the pressure, the rest of us would cave in as well.

    The past month has proven them oh so wrong as millions of people stage protests and walk outs across the country. There is even refusal among around 25% of the armed forced averaged across all branches, as well as up to 50% of city police forces. Most employers and government offices can barely function as is; there is zero chance they will be able to cope with a 10% loss of workforce, let alone a 25% to 50% loss. They would crumble.

    This was obviously not the plan; the globalists were not prepared for this level of resistance in the US and this is evident in their pathetic propaganda scramble. That does not mean they don’t have contingencies in place. I am already seeing a fledgling narrative in the media which is implanting the idea that any breakdown of the system in the US will actually be the fault of the unvaccinated.

    Bolding by Grover to accentuate what I consider the important parts of this snippet. First off, because of the shortage of workers (due to extravagant unemployment benefits,) companies and governments aren't in a position to mandate any changes without shooting themselves in the feet. Who will blink first? Would a competitor drool at the insider knowledge you have? Unless your company is willing to pay a severance package to keep you silent, what would keep you silent?

    Secondly, just like a pair of rats in a cage will attack each other when electric shocks are randomly introduced, who will the vaxxed VS unvaxxed blame when things fall apart. TPTB are already formulating plans to get us to blame each other. If you're vaxxinated (my condolences,) think while you are still able about how you would respond. Are you going to blame the unvaxxed group and take your anger out on them? That's what the true perpetrators of this hoax want you to do. Don't fall for it!

    Finally, I will change my approach when talking to my vaxxinated friends. It used to be that once I learned of their vax status, and since they couldn't be unjabbed, I kept my opinions to myself. Now that boosters are being promoted, we're back to the point of deciding whether or not to get jabbed (again.) I will now tell them that they were ill-advised to take the original shot. There's nothing they can do about that now. Since we know that it doesn't protect them from the virus any better than those who don't get the shot, and since we know that there are adverse effects associated with the shots, and since we know that the shot confers substandard temporary immunity, and since we see that those who get the flu shot are more susceptible to the flu in subsequent seasons if they don't continue to take the flu shot ... they'd be better off getting off the booster train before it starts.

    Grover

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 8:37pm

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    Rebecca

    Hi 👋

    I am curious when you mentioned of waiting until February or March to make a decision on vaccinating adolescents, is there some reason you picked that timeline? I feel like mine is years but wonder if that is even long enough. My sister-in-law is pregnant right now and has been fully vaccinated. At this time her baby is super healthy, which is great news. I am worried about this too but I’m more worried for pregnant mothers that are getting it!

     

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 9:26pm

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    Newspaper headline writer wriggles like a pretzel

    Headline in The Times of London:

    "Covid in Scotland: One in three hospital patients aren’t fully vaccinated"

    Now turn that around the way it should have been written based on the facts:

    "Covid in Scotland: Seven in ten hospital patients are fully vaccinated"

    Kind of paints a different picture...

    "Almost a third of the coronavirus patients admitted to Scottish hospitals in the past month had not been fully vaccinated. Of nearly 2,500 people being treated for coronavirus symptoms, about 700 were unvaccinated and 80 had had only one dose. These two groups accounted between them for three in ten of the hospital patients."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-in-scotland-one-in-three-hospital-patients-arent-fully-vaccinated-h38qzbzz7

     

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 10:06pm

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    Evidently pushing for 100%?

    Wow. The logical extension of that piece of contorted journalism is that the Times won’t be happy until all COVID patients are double-vaxxed and boosted on schedule.
    What an evil thrall they work to cast.

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  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 11:57pm

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    Who Owns The World Movie. Again recommended

    MM posted this earlier today and it disappeared and was hard to find.

    Really recommended.  Documents the consolidation of power in key industries into the hands of a few major corporations.  Then it looks at who owns those major corporations.  It always comes back to the same financial firms.  Firms that serve their own interests above all else.

    And those same financial firms own the media.  Makes the creation of unified global propaganda make so much sense.

    Makes clear the big picture.

    https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/monopoly/

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 12:10am

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    Replying to Who Owns The World Movie. Again recommended (#177)

    MM posted this earlier today and it disappeared and was hard to find.

    I also find it very difficult to find brilliant articles...it's an area for improvement---such as "search for content by PP member" would be a super function.

    Thanks so much Sand_Puppy and Meme Monkey - this is a brilliant find.

    Kind regards, Andy

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 3:27am

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    thatchmo said:

    Sweetheart and I just watched "Monopoly".  The very first thing that we both noticed was: the talking head- is that Tim Gielen?  It totally looked like a computer-generated thing.  I didn't see "him" blink once during his dialog.  Seemed spooky.....Wonder who financed this doc?   Aloha, Steve.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 3:59am

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    What well defined dose?

    "Vaccinations have been tracked, and each one provides a well-defined dose."

    Josh, does well defined dose mean a certain quantity of spike proteins produced?  How can we say each person's body produces the equivalent number of spike proteins as someone else?  Have you seen a presentation in detail by Moderna or Pfizer about how their jabs work?  Its like its all top secret.  How many pro-vaccine people understand the "science" they claim to believe in?  It was a surprise to me the ones I have talked to were not even aware that  the "vaccine" spike proteins are actually created by a person's own body.   Has anyone ever published a paper on what percent of these spike proteins escape the immune system and circulate through all the organs of the body?  It may be like an explosion of small simple organic compound spike proteins that penetrate all the body's filters and barriers.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 4:18am

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    EU parliament members anti mandate conference

    This video is powerful it’s 17 minutes long but shows the mandates to have a leaky vaccine and ignoring the scientific evidence of natural immunity are starting to impact the very democracy that parliament stands for.

    Members of the EU Parliament held a press conference today 22 Oct 2021, to express their opposition to the vaccine mandates and their concern over the loss of civil rights and freedom.

    MSM WILL KEEP THIS QUIET‼️

    https://odysee.com/@devrijeomroep:6/eu-parlement-members-oppose-vaccin-mandates:c

    @NicholasVeniamin

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 5:16am

    Canuck21

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    Replying to EU parliament members anti mandate conference (#181)

    The main speaker makes a good point that the EU's precious digital certificates are now actually hampering freedom of movement, one of the sacred pillars of the EU.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 9:21am

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    Thanks SeanR

    OK Sean thanks for answering my questions. I can say that I now know your reasons for taking the jab, but I cant say I understand the mental process that lead to those conclusions.

    It might just be that we are wired different. As I said before I dont know whether your decision will be proven to be the right one or not. I have my perspective and it seems obvious to me but I try to always consider the possibility that I might be wrong.

    In answer to your questions;

    Two things:

    1 Wouldn't releasing a bioweapon in Wuhan be the clumsiest possible way to get it to the US?

    2 Is there a trade war between China and the US?

    1. Maybe but it seems to have been very effective. I havent seen any blowback on them. If you consider that the purpose of a bio-weapon is to infect people...it appears to have been introduced very effectively, and with little or no retaliation. When you also consider that they created the bio weapon for the purpose of infecting people, then lied about its origins [ and nature ], then took steps to protect themselves while infecting the rest of the world...its hard for me to believe that all of that was accidental. Ask this, if they wanted to release a bio-weapon and avoid retaliation, could that have been achieved more effectively than it has been? The answer is no. Then you have the involvement of the NIH, Peter Daszak, his emerging relationship with Fauci... the lies by Fauci to congress about all of those facts...? Thats alot of dirt, lies, collusion, and very suspicious activity surrounding this whole thing.

    2. Not anymore...hm

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 9:32am

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    merryb2 said:

    I think I remember from my boy scout days that pine needle tea is  high in vitamin C.  that might explain its benefits.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 10:33am

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    NIH, Daszak, Fauci, the lab in Wuhan and the lab in Winnipeg

    The direct and personal links between Daszak, Fauci and the lab in Wuhan is one of the most interesting things revealed during all this.  It shows that globalism is much further along than almost all of us thought.  The direct Chinese links to the lab in Winnipeg is another big piece of the puzzle:

    From The Scientist:

    Canadian Official Reprimanded for Withholding Winnipeg Lab Info

    The House of Commons rebuked the president of the Canadian Public Health Agency for not turning over sensitive information pertaining to the dismissal of government scientists from the National Microbiology Laboratory.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 10:47am

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    Thesis Post-it on the hospital door

    So the vaxxes don't prevent the problem, don't prevent you from causing the problem in those you interact with, might lessen the effect somewhat and make a great deal of money for the powerful organization which promotes them and insists you accept their claims on faith.  How is this different from selling indulgences?

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 11:09am

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    Let everyone self-medicate to get rid of the stupid.

    If the vaccine prevents the hospitals overflowing then that's job-well-done.   If the world were populated with fewer assholes and less brainless drones Covid-19 might have been stopped in a couple of months, without a vaccine.

    It is the stupidity of people and their brainless devotion to denial or religion (not  governments alone) that is to blame for the ongoing spread, vaccine inefficacy and mutation of the disease.  Worse than the imbeciles are the people who corral and confuse the uneducated into believing all kinds of wild fiction, for the sake of fame or profit.

    If covid-19 has proven anything it is that homo-sapiens are doomed to continue cycles of disease and economic collapse... If evolution had a voice it would say "humans reap what they sew, so deserve what they get".

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 12:29pm

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    DaveDD said:

    Indeed indeed, a Dutch member of the European Parliament told us yesterday that vaccine adverse effects are next to non-existent. No wonder people do not connect their cancer or heart issues to the vaxx…

     

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 12:35pm

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    European country to authorize IVM use over vaccines?

    Anyone have any info on this? A friend just told me he has heard on the radio that a European country is going to authorize the use of IVM to treat covid instead of pushing the vaccines. He couldn't remember which one. I'm guessing an eastern one but it would be good to know more.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 1:47pm

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    Viewing / Searching by User

    It's not perfect, but one can achieve this on the current site, to some degree. For example:

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/user/mohammed-mast-2/topics/

    Click on "Replies created" to see replies instead of original posts. Or, search in the upper-right corner to conduct a search of that user's posts (or replies, if that's what you're viewing).

    Of course one must first find or know the URL 'slug' for a given user.

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  • Sat, Oct 23, 2021 - 5:50pm

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    More on well defined dose

    Not to mention that it seems like perhaps 1-2% of injections are inadvertently made directly into the vascular system resulting in spike protein production in the vascular enodthelial cells (blood vessel lining cells) and/or internal organs.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 5:26am

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    Personal reflections on getting and recovering from COVID-19

    The past several months, like many unvaccinated people, I have experienced a great deal of discrimination and confusion about what is going on in the world. My choice to not get vaccinated had little to do with fear of the vaccines themselves, even though I am quite certain that serious adverse events from vaccines are underreported. My hesitancy regarding getting vaccinated was primarily related to unanswered questions I had about their efficacy and/or necessity in combination with serious ethical concerns about their availability and distribution in the world.

    My experience:

    Earlier this month, I participated in a week-long music project in the Netherlands. Our project schedule included 4 full rehearsal days and 3 concerts. We were 30 musicians and throughout the project, in addition to musical rehearsals (up to 6 hours a day), the majority of us also lived, ate, and socialized together in a communal space. Just before the project began, many Dutch rules were relaxed and thus our working conditions were essentially like pre-pandemic circumstances. Audience members were required to show proof of vaccination, recovery, or a negative test in order to attend the concert, but for everyone there was no requirement to wear a mask or socially distance.

    Before the final concert I did a rapid antigen test because, as an unvaccinated person, I needed a negative test result in order to fly home after the last concert. This test result came back positive and was the first indication of a possible COVID outbreak in our project. Many in the group immediately did self tests and two of these showed positive results. The final concert was cancelled and most of the group who were still in our shared accommodation left and travelled home early. In the 24 hours following my positive antigen test result, 7 in the group (including myself) had PCR tests. By the next day all of these had come back with positive results. Over the following week reports of additional positive results continued and, ultimately, 20 of the 30 in the group tested positive with SARS-CoV-2. Not everyone in the group shared whether or not they had PCR tests and/or their test results, but most of the remaining 10 either reported no symptoms and/or negative test results.

    This situation confirmed for me that my hesitancy to be vaccinated was well justified. 18 of the reported positive cases were in vaccinated individuals (all 4 types of vaccines represented). I have read that efficacy of the vaccines wanes only after 5-6 months, and mostly in elderly populations. Also, advocates for booster shots claim they ‘restore’ vaccine efficacy to their initial levels (originally reported as 95% effective for Pfizer). However, our group were almost all under 50 years of age, and most of those people had been vaccinated in the preceding 3-4 months. ‘Breakthrough Case’ hardly seems an appropriate term when 60% of the positive cases were vaccinated individuals.

    Luckily, all of the cases in our group were ‘mild’ COVID-19, that is no one reported any serious problems with breathing, and all could recover at home. We were only 2 positive unvaccinated cases, and there was no noticeable difference between the symptoms experienced by us and the vaccinated. However, the case for natural immunity is, possibly, very strong. Two in the group shared that they had recovered from COVID in the past year and they developed no symptoms at all and tested negative. One of these — still unvaccinated — recovered in March. Another — subsequently vaccinated — recovered in July.

    The most striking confirmation for me was that it is VERY easy for vaccinated people to carry and transmit the virus. It is almost certain that a vaccinated person introduced the virus to the group as a vaccinated person who tested positive was the first to develop symptoms. Also, of the three known (and likely only) unvaccinated people in the group, 2 got the virus during the project and 1 had previously recovered and experienced no symptoms or positive results. More alarmingly, many of the positive results only appeared after people had returned to their home countries by train or plane — these countries included Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, and the USA. Most of these people likely were travelling during their most contagious period (the 2-3 days before symptom onset), and for those vaccinated and travelling in Europe, no official negative test result was required to travel.

    I believe it is also VERY likely that positive cases in the vaccinated are grossly underreported. Had I not been required to test to travel, it is quite likely that this outbreak would only have been realized a week or more later (or never). Most symptoms in most people only developed after the project ended and for most they were akin to a common cold. Several people did report loss of smell in the following week, and I suspect this may have led some people to eventually be tested. However, it also became very clear in our situation that self tests (and even some PCR tests) frequently show false negatives. For example, one person was feeling ill and was convinced of being positive, but this person had 6 negative test results (including 2 PCR tests) before producing a positive result 6 days after returning home.

    Trust yourself and your intuition!

    Even though I believed my own body would be capable of dealing with SARS-CoV-2, I kept with me since before the summer certain treatments on the advice of a doctor who has been researching treatments and vaccines since the beginning of the pandemic. I have no idea if what I did warded off serious illness, hastened my recovery, or prevented me from developing long-COVID (whatever that actually is). However, I share with you that after my positive test result I first took a megadose of Vitamin C (30g in 24 hours, 3g diluted in water every hour), followed by two (30mg) ivermectin tablets taken 2 days apart. At present (2 weeks after my positive result, 17 days after initial symptoms), my sense of smell is returning and I have no further symptoms.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 7:26am

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    Non specific vs specific response

    My understanding of the T and B cells and non specific antibodies recognize families of virus, not just a specific part of a virus.  Natural immunity rocks, almost every time.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 9:32am

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    Canuckian said:

    Very informative post. Thank you.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 11:02am

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    Canadian Level 4 Lab, The Chinese, & SARS COV 2....

    People may remember my various posts here, which were made very early in this plandemic, about the part Canada's Level 4 bio lab played in the development of the pathogen, and how this Canadian lab's lack of security allowed the Chinese Communist bio-warfare scientists to not only RUN and MANAGE this lab...but allowed them to smuggle every serious virus pathogen it contained directly to the Wuhan bio-lab....before Canada woke up...and kicked all the Chinese out.

    The SARS COV 2 virus was first developed in the United States at the University of North Carolina, then it was shipped, along with other viral weapons, to the Canadian lab, where the Chinese running that lab stole it...and everything else...and took it to Wuhan....where these same scientists continue to work.

    Shortly thereafter, Dr. Fauci contracted the Wuhan bio-weapons lab..and formally provided the latest SARS COV 2 development...for them to perform specific viral enhancements of the weapon...in order to allow it to be able to infect people better.

    The Chinese worked on making the SARS COV 2 virus better able to infect people by figuring out a way to synthetically alter its spike-proteins to include a Prion Domain, which allowed this virus to firmly attach itself to the human ACE2 receptor, making the SARS COV 2 coronavirus the ONLY coronavirus in this virus family to possess such a Prion Domain.

    I am fascinated how, at this late date, people are still being surprised by the revelation of such OLD NEWS...they have been told many times before.

    "It's confirmed!  It's confirmed!"

    Everything has been confirmed, from before the first person got the first sniffles from being infected with the first case of Covid-19.  We know the entire story, all the players, all the funding organizations, all the government officials, everything.

    Yet, people are still having a very hard time accepting all this history...and are fighting as hard as they can to prevent themselves coming to the realization that a deliberate human culling is underway...and that its primary means of reducing the population is via the "vaccines"...and not the virus.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 11:15am

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    I'm not surprised and this is not new news for me

    You wrote:

    I am fascinated how, at this late date, people are still being surprised by the revelation of such OLD NEWS...they have been told many times before.

    "It's confirmed!  It's confirmed!"

    I'm not sure why people feel the need to pretend everyone else is a benighted idiot but here we are.  In my experience, it's usually people who aren't terribly bright themselves who go through life being astonished at just how stupid everyone else is.

    Yet, people are still having a very hard time accepting all this history...and are fighting as hard as they can to prevent themselves coming to the realization that a deliberate human culling is underway...and that its primary means of reducing the population is via the "vaccines"...and not the virus.

    As I've asked elsewhere, how do you know it's not the unvaccinated who will be culled in this globalist conspiracy?

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 11:23am

    Ision

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    Ision said:

    No one needs to pretend most people are idiots.  They are.  And, the higher your IQ and education, and the more effective your means of cognition...the larger the mob of idiots becomes.

    If you have an IQ above 135...imagine how the rest of humanity appears?

     

     

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 11:28am

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    Ision said:

    It is obvious, really.   It comes from knowing exactly what the bio-weapons ARE..how they were designed...the tricks used...and the results seen.

    It comes from having worked for the very people, who are carrying out the cull.

    It comes from being trained in bio-weapons.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 12:42pm

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    Don't worry, we'll soon be out of your hair

    No one needs to pretend most people are idiots.  They are.  And, the higher your IQ and education, and the more effective your means of cognition...the larger the mob of idiots becomes.

    If you have an IQ above 135...imagine how the rest of humanity appears?

    It must be Hell for you.  No wonder you look forward to the day when we've all died off and it's just you and Bill Gates battling for control of what was once the USA.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 1:31pm

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    -Casey said:

    They don't.  The type of people who will be left standing after this will not be to their taste at all, not one little bit.  The sights they will be shown.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 2:42pm

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    SeanR

    You asked:

    As I've asked elsewhere, how do you know it's not the unvaccinated who will be culled in this globalist conspiracy?

    If that were the case there would not be this wild-eyed desperation to push vaccines on us, or indeed any vaccines at all.  The biggest vaccine pushers in the world such as Bill Gates are also depopulation fanatics, which are like two whole dots to connect.

    I have always wondered where I would make my last stand, and now I know.  Anyone who tries to force this jab on me will be blown straight to hell where he belongs.  BFYTW

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 2:54pm

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    I'm sad I'm going to miss the fireworks

    So, apart from the unvaccinated hardliners like yourself, it will be the globalists, the Chinese, the Iranians, the Russians and the Africans left when this is all over?  I'd bet on the Russians and Chinese at that stage.

    The biggest vaccine pushers in the world such as Bill Gates are also depopulation fanatics, which are like two whole dots to connect.

    Maybe Bill Gates wants to give everyone a sporting chance before he releases the second virus, the one that does the culling?

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 3:06pm

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    Hladini said:

    Sand_puppy, thank you for sharing so eloquently your sanity.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 3:36pm

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    so about that

    Maybe Bill Gates wants to give everyone a sporting chance before he releases the second virus, the one that does the culling?

    So from what I understand, vitamin D appears to have antiviral effects against a whole range of viruses.  If I were jabbed, I'd make sure my vit-D level was good.  If I were un-jabbed, I'd make sure my vit-D level was good.

    And by good, I mean > 50 ng/ml.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 3:49pm

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    Vaiccine mandate will affect the three E's

    Les, it's all connected, and Chris has recently posted a couple of good Three E topic videos.  The Three E's are old news for us old timers, and presumably we've been preparing accordingly.  It's just that the covid, pandemic, piss poor public policies, including the vaccine mandate that's got a whole lot of folks riled up, including me are all major pressures on the Three E's.

    Keep stacking, keep planting, keep networking.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 4:01pm

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    Unvaccinated hardliners....

    That's quite the loaded phrasing to use for someone who just wants to preserve the native function of their immune system Sean.  Just using the term, "unvaccinated" makes it seem like this group is missing something that they need.  This term by itself is loaded.  Are they missing something?  I don't happen to think so.  There is a very long list of known negatives for the injections, with more entering the known category every week (reference the UK week 42 bombshell regarding poor formation of N-antibodies in the case of the vaccinated + infected).  The one positive appears to be protection from the worst outcomes of a Covid-19 infection, for some period of time, in some people.

    And then we are "hardliners".  This is pretty loaded with negative connotation;

    hardliner - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
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    hardliner: 1 n a conservative who is uncompromising Type of: conservative , conservativist a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas

    As a person who does interdisciplinary science research for a living, my take on these new gene therapy "vaccines" has been very cautionary from the start, even though the King of Conservatism, Donald Trump, touted them and still does.  We all have to make our own decisions.  I will not take the mRNA vaccine.  I'm with Casey on this one.  I won't though throw shade on you Sean, either directly or through passive:aggressive language phrasing, regarding your decision.  We are at the end of the day in this boat together... do take your Vitamin D3.

     

     

     

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 4:48pm

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    a possible reinfection case report

    So Jim, I have a case report from a double-vaxxed friend of mine.  He got COVID about 6 weeks (or so) ago.  Used ivermectin, monoclonals, and a collection of other things.  Got over it in roughly a week.  Seemed a bit tougher for him than for my sister.

    Anyhow, just yesterday he was going to fly international, got a PCR test, and it came back positive.  He reported malaise and fatigue, but no other symptoms.  Is this just "leftovers" from the infection 6 weeks ago?  Or a reinfection?  I told him about the nucleocapsid issue, and encouraged him to take more vitamin D.  And nasal irrigation.  (He was all over the nasal irrigation - if it was just fragments, hopefully the nasal irrigation will wash it out.  Theoretically.).  And he's already doing ivermectin & more monoclonals too.  Fit, in shape, athletic, 50-something.

    So a re-infection?  Or just fragments?  Unfortunately, the PCR test didn't come with a cycle threshold number on it so we can't be sure.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 4:57pm

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    Good questions Dave....

    Lots of possible answers to what is going on.  Maybe he has the flu and tested positive for Covid-19 based on, as you say, fragments and a high cycle PCR test.  Maybe it is a re-infection, which would be a bad, but not unsurprising find given the UK week 42 bombshell.  For now .. it's... you know the word;  anecdotal.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 5:29pm

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    brushhog said:

    I dont like being referred to as a "hardliner" either. I think it implies some things that arent true. Since when did wanting to be left alone to live in peace make you a "hardliner"?

    In my world those who are pushing people to do something they dont want to do are the "hardliners". People who are making the decision to exclude people from society or shun long time friends over a personal medical decision would strike me as the extremists in this equation.

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  • Sun, Oct 24, 2021 - 7:54pm

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    You're not following the conversation

    The "hardliners" would be the people left over when the globalists' manufactured plague had killed off everyone who took the Covid-19 vaccines.  Feel free to be offended by my choice of words when laying out a hypothetical scenario in a mocking tone.

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  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 4:21am

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    Clinical trial evidence for Ivermectin in CV19

    The FLCCC net alliance have a one page summary of the clinical trials evidence for Ivermectin in covid-19.

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  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 6:36pm

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    Thank you for this audio/video Chris; just listened/watched.

    I'm sure it will upset many people, who are emotionally and otherwise invested in the narrative that the vaccine greatly reduces the viral transmissions.

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  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 6:36pm

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    johncoster said:

    Best of Luck. It's easier for one who is self-employed as I am, well only to a degree. I'm still locked out of most gigs as a performing songwriter, but I have some book projects I can do sitting at my desk surrounded by trees. However, I do fear that without pretty general non-compliance, civilization itself disappears. The people orchestrating the current biofascist coup are not civilized. They are repeating the mistakes of their Nazi forbearers who combined technical virtuosity with a kind of infantilized view of the world. They will probably not back off their agenda till they are met with overwhelming force of some kind. With enough non-compliance, we might see what has preceded the fall of tyrants traditionally. The military and law enforcement side with the people. Right now I think a lot of law enforcement and military people are getting pretty fed up with being asked to attack the Consitution they swore to defend. Hope springs eternal. Of course, if we delay till they start deploying AI robots with lazer guided munitions, it will decrease our chances of success. Every day that passes by the job gets harder.

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  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 6:43pm

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    Replying to your post

    I'm pleased to see/hear states that are not authoritarian about vaccine mandates like Florida, actively offering employment to health care providers, police, first responders, truckers, etc. who lost their jobs in other states due to refusing to comply with vaccine mandates.

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