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    New Website Coming

    Time to trade in the old clunker
    by AaronMcKeon

    Sunday, September 19, 2021, 5:27 PM

Would you agree our website kind of s#&%s?  We know – we agree!  In fact, we’ve been hard at work behind the scenes rebuilding the entire thing from scratch so that you can have the user experience you deserve.

Here is just a short list of complaints many of you have with the site.  Being a user of the site for seven years myself before joining the management team, let me just say these are all my complaints as well.

  • Can’t find content – searching is pretty much impossible once content disappears from the front page
  • Signup process is clunky and confusing
  • Comments occasionally disappear for no rhyme or reason
  • The FAQ page provides lots of questions, but no answers
  • Comments aren’t threaded!
  • Premium access sometimes stops for no reason
  • Video player lacks basic features
  • SPAM filters need refining

Yeah – we’re fixing all that, and then some.

Over the past several months, we’ve been planning and building a shiny new website completely from scratch that will replace the existing one.  As you can imagine, there are lots of moving pieces that need to be coordinated in order to migrate so much content:

  • Over 150,000 user accounts (some active, some not)
  • Over 10,000 posts put out by Chris and others
  • Over 137,000 comments made on posts
  • Over 146,000 messages posted in our forums
  • Over 500,000 files uploaded by Chris and the community
  • Over 12,000 private messages exchanged between users (in just the past 3 years)

It all needs to be sifted, sorted, dusted off, reorganized, repackaged, and put in its new home.  Oh, and its new home needs to be built.  About that new home, here is what you can expect:

  • Better organization of content so as to provide intelligent searching and filtering
  • Comments that are organized like proper conversations
  • More individual control over which content you follow
  • Better linkages between past framing content and the more news-y content
  • Ability to more easily find and connect with other members of the community
  • And more!

So when can you expect to see this land in your digital lap?  If all goes well, we’re hoping to get the new site launched sometime in October.  We might not get every bell and whistle turned on right away, but when the new site gets launched you can expect to see the meat and potatoes of the improvements all in place.

So hang tight for just a little bit longer.  This bucket of bolts still has a little life left in her, but her days are numbered and a hot rod is coming.

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 5:37pm

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    Acorn Endeavors

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    HUGE Endeavor!

    This is a HUGE endeavor for a site this size.  I built a small blog site last summer (and of course learning as I went)--it took me forever.  I've also posted content at other sites and that takes a great deal of time too, and that's just a little addition to the whole site.  Good on you and thank you!

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 5:59pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth

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    Friedrichs_teeth said:

    I cannot wait! Yay team!!

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 6:01pm

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    CC.Cecil

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    CC.Cecil said:

    While having no issues with the page itself, im looking forward to a new comenting section!

    Also maybe something like a vlear home button for members.

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 6:15pm

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    RJD1892

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    RJD1892 said:

    Sounds good

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 6:33pm

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    Bill in La Mesa

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    Thumbs UP!

    Yes, I have noticed if I don't tune in several times a day, I sometimes miss a lot of content.  It's also difficult to relocate valuable posts I recall reading and wish to find again.

    Sounds like a lot of work for you Chris.  Hope you've got some good help, and the transition goes smoothly.

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 6:46pm

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    westcoastjan

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    Yay!

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 7:09pm

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    h.badger

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    Independence

    Hey PP team. Please make very sure that you do not depend on the technologies of a cloud provider. Amazon's AWS is great, until they cancel you without warning and without recourse (ala Parler and others). Use your own tech stack and please have an encrypted data backup on another provider in another jurisdiction.

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 7:15pm

    AaronMcKeon

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    Re: Independence

    ...make very sure that you do not depend on the technologies of a cloud provider. Amazon's AWS is great, until they cancel you without warning and without recourse...

    We're definitely keeping this in mind and will be transitioning towards more "resilient" options!

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 7:16pm

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    ezlxq1949

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    Searchable archives?

    Great news! especially making content (more) searchable! Will old content be searchable? This site is a gold mine and I crave a better shovel.

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 7:18pm

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    HurricaneRider

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    Thanks!

    Thanks for digging into this exhausting task.  Can't wait to see how the new forums turn out.

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 7:19pm

    h.badger

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    h.badger said:

    That's great to hear confirmed. Thanks, I'll look forward to seeing the new site!

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 7:28pm

    AaronMcKeon

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    Re: Searchable archives

    Will old content be searchable? This site is a gold mine and I crave a better shovel.

    Yes it will, including any podcasts that had transcripts.  Shovel ready!

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 7:44pm

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    Wendy S. Delmater

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    I'd love my old posts

    It's hard to find them but I used to run the Agriculture/Permaculture thread here and would like the data, preferably with photos. I was going to turn them into a book...and they seem to be gone.

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 7:55pm

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    Arthur Robey

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    "Those who aren't busy being born"

    "Are busy dying"

    Eric Zimmerman.

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 8:34pm

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    Tycer

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    I’d hang on for another decade.

    It’s the first link in my favorites. I push the radio button. I set the phone down. Then I come back at a few seconds later, oh wait I need to come back later. Ah the page loaded. . .
    Whatever, even with a website that sucks ass this tribe is worth the first world trials and tribulations.
    I am looking forward to the new website. Nested replies? A search engine that is organized in xxx fashion? Be still my beating heart.
    oh, and the all important ignore button

    oh and the flag post button

    oh and the . . .

    Aaron. You’re going to have to post your ETH address for us all to tip your genius.

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  • Sun, Sep 19, 2021 - 9:10pm

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    DanBC

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    DanBC said:

    Maybe poor old Joshua will find his trail of bread crumbs

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  • Mon, Sep 20, 2021 - 1:37am

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    Pipyman

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    It’s because it’s not vaccinated!!!!!!

    😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

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  • Mon, Sep 20, 2021 - 1:45am

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    RPSTemple

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    Good News indeed!

    Looking forward to seeing it.   Building a new site and keeping the old one going in the meantime has to have been a lot of hard work.

    🤞all goes well on launch date. 😊

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  • Mon, Sep 20, 2021 - 2:17am

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    sojournerpaul

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    sojournerpaul said:

    I agree. This website is clunky.

    I love the organization and the community. But an upgrade is welcome ; )

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  • Mon, Sep 20, 2021 - 4:37am

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    VegasJim

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    Thanks!

    Thank you for the new site.

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  • Mon, Sep 20, 2021 - 7:21am

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    Terminator

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    Good news for a change!

    Can’t wait to experience the new website, from what you have shared to be included, it sounds as the upgrade many have waited for 👍🏻

    Good luck stitching off the edges!

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  • Mon, Sep 20, 2021 - 9:44am

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    Quercus bicolor

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    Searching until the new site is available

    I've had success searching on duckduckgo with a search term like "My search term, peak prosperity", or "my search term, peakprosperity.com".

    It won't find anything that is only behind the paywall, but behind paywall content at least has a title and some teaser content from the body that is visible to search engines.

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  • Mon, Sep 20, 2021 - 11:21am

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    Spork

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    Congrats and kudos on a massive undertaking!

    You must have a great team back there!

    Somebody already mentioned site hardening and being aware of dependencies to unreliable entities like AWS, and it was said you are aware, and that's great.

    Because of the social interconnections developing here, perhaps there can be an option in the internal messaging system for encrypted and ephemeral messages?

    And of course, there's the whole can of worms pertaining to Logging, no doubt you'll let us know what is decided upon.

    vía con dios! WebDevs!

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  • Mon, Sep 20, 2021 - 3:33pm

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    Grover

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    Request

    The feature I miss most is from a couple of website iterations ago. Any of the comments that hadn't been viewed by me showed up as "New" along with the number of new comments. That was clickable and took me to the first comment I hadn't read on that thread .

    There was also a page that had all the threads that I had contributed to. Again, that also had "new" comments and was sorted with the newest comments first. I checked that page first whenever coming to PP. When I finished reading all the new comments on threads I posted to, then I came to the PP main page to see what new topics were available.

    That kept old threads from dying and being forgotten as they are now. It was easy to see if someone (finally) responded to a question or an issue.

    Grover

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  • Mon, Sep 20, 2021 - 4:36pm

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    Matt Holbert

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    That's good news...

    because I spent some time yesterday on a comment and it disappeared into the ether. BTW, please note that IMHO many site upgrades make the site less intuitive rather than more.

    My comment yesterday was in response to a commenter who was a believer in the narrative and who indicated that the adverse vaccine effects were being carefully studied. I referred him/her to phone conversation that the Del Bigtree whistleblower had with her "superiors." See https://thehighwire.com/videos/episode-233-the-vaers-scandal/ starting at 1:56:00 or so. Compound the attitude (lack of ethics) of the Chief  Medical Officer by many thousand such "superiors" and you can start to get a sense of why we are in this mess.

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  • Wed, Sep 22, 2021 - 4:49am

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    David Henry

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    site is functional as is but...

    ...could be better. would most appreciate threaded comments and a way to see earlier material (mostly comments) more easily.

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  • Wed, Sep 22, 2021 - 6:00am

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    Oliveoilguy

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    Training for the New Platform?

    I imagine there will be an interactive training session on how to best use the new platform. Will this be done on the old platform? Or after the change has been launched?

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  • Wed, Sep 22, 2021 - 6:08am

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    Stph

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    some suggestions

    A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, I wrote and maintained a BBS (how quaint:) named "Tree".  It was, as you might expect, a reverse directory system supporting nested subdirectories (topics), and posts (leaves).  It needed a fair amount of "pruning" as a person's new topic often fit better under an existent topic and some things grew out of control and needed to be tidied from time to time.

    I never got it working perfectly, but it was quite flexible.  It, in turn, was modelled a bit after "Usenet" (if you remember that). Anyway, Usenet had moderated threads.

    If someone wants to try encouraging discussion focussed on something distinct, that person ought to have some discretion on the organization of that branch or set of "branches".

    To collect best practices the site needs to strongly support long term persistence and - I think - moderated threads.   For example, I recently created a new topic  "GeneralDiscussion-> MaterialCapital->BootstrappingATinyHome".  I should, actually, have been a branch of, perhaps, "GeneralDiscussion-> MaterialCapital->Building->" but that branch didn't exist.   (I hope we can agree it should, as there is an ongoing need if we are going to be resilient in hard times on how to build structures, and these best practices are substantially non-fungible: if you could build a house 200 years ago you can probably build one now).

    I see Reddit as the best current model on how to support persist branches, subbranches, and leaves (messages)

    I need to acknowledge that in that "galaxy far, far away", I started off thinking the whole business of maintaining a forum with many, many distinct areas of discussion would be cool and somehow take care of itself.   I learned, through time, that it was more complicated than I thought.  In time, the trivial creation of new branches was discouraged; it could still be done, but there needed to be more structure and - yes - oversight.

    Anyway, I suggest some sort of branch moderation with, perhaps, 2-3 designated moderators REQUIRED to make a branch longer-term persistent (as opposed to a twig which buds a bit but then ultimately gets crowded out).

    Again, because of the archival quality of a lot of the material a "resilient" hands-on community is likely to need in a decade of hardships and learnings, I think the new site needs support for a tree structure, strong ranking/searching of messages, and a good system for reasonable moderation.  A non-trivial task to write the new software and administrative power to support this, but I think the quality and importance of a lot of the material deserves our best effort.   Right now I'd love to know how to relatively easily find the best material that has ever been posted on basic building of structures, setting up off-grid power, etc.  I know a lot of this stuff exists or, at least, existed, and it is a shame it can't be found.

    In addition to more powerful searching (including searching for high ranked comments and comments by a particular author) this site -- far more than most -- needs long term persistence.  This is because a fairly high percent of the posted content has relevance effectively forever.    That is, while much of the content is, at this point, is news an opinion (e.g. politics, market conditions, and latest Covid data), the longer term goal of the site (as I understand it) is to collect best practices in the face of peak oil and a Ponzi finance system.

    It might be (I don't know) that an excellent bookmarking system (tags) which can be set on an individual level (So I might file something under "building", while someone else might prefer "homesteading") can take care of a lot of this.  One way to help people find the things they are looking for is to have the ability to search and then sub-search.  E.g., pull up a list of posts with, perhaps, a key word and then multiply refine the search with a date range or an author or a ranking, and ability to back up to a previous search and modify it differently.  Although there are a lot of posts, as was mentioned, the total amount of textual material shouldn't be that off the charts, given modern storage systems. And I think the almost timeless value of some material justifies that extra searching power.

    I'm excited, and appreciative, for whatever is coming. The effort - by itself - means a lot to me.  I know, perhaps better than most, not only what is possible but, also, that this is a non-trivial undertaking which will likely take some time to grow "organically" to meet the community and importance of what is being conveyed. :->

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  • Wed, Sep 22, 2021 - 2:18pm

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    sketchypoodle

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    sketchypoodle said:

    "and a hot rod is coming"

    I love your sense of humor 🙂

    Who doesn't want a new hot rod?

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  • Wed, Sep 22, 2021 - 4:35pm

    AaronMcKeon

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    Re: Training for the New Platform

    I imagine there will be an interactive training session on how to best use the new platform. Will this be done on the old platform? Or after the change has been launched?

    The new platform will not be so drastically different where you shouldn't be able to find your way around, and it should be inherently more intuitive than what we have now.  That being said, I am looking into the possibility of a quick site orientation that pops up the first time you use the new version.

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  • Wed, Sep 22, 2021 - 4:59pm

    Kathy

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    Kathy said:

    Might I propose one of those zoom meeting things where the intention is we all have two devices.  One where we are watching the zoom meeting and the other where we are all together posting and trying out the new features in a sandbox area of the new forums.

    Let Evie or Chris come into it cold so they are learning with us.  I am functioning in this forum environment but I am sure there are lots of things I don’t know and if I did I could get a lot more utility out of the forums.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 1:15am

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    Sachin

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    waiting for new one

    hey ,

    This side sachin , excited about new website and thanks to you for sharing your experience with us as experience always teach us some thing.

    Thanks for sharing.

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 5:39am

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    doveki said:

    very

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:06am

    ds24

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    Tags could be the way to link all content permanently

    I think Stph raised an important point about moderation. If moderators were responsible for tweaking the tags for each Forum post into appropriate branching, that would provide a reliable way to access content across the entire site (at least the material added since the start of the new site).

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  • Sat, Oct 02, 2021 - 8:58pm

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    TrumanV

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    suggestions: "save draft" function for comments; larger jpg sizes permitted; new comment at top of thread, etc

    Great to hear. Pardon if others have posted these same suggestions; these are my dos centavos for a few suggested improvements:

    1. a draft function for comments. Not always is our brilliance able to be finished all in one shot. As with emails, it's good to be able to start a comment, work on it, revise it, refine it, and then post. Not aware of this feature being possible at present.

    2. Larger file size permitted for media/jpgs. Several times I've had very standard jpgs rejected for being "too large."

    3. Ability to add new comment at the top of a thread instead of having to go way to the bottom.

    4. Ensure that comments don't go a-missing mysteriously. A few times I've written a fairly long comment, posted it, but never saw it again. As with the VAERS system, it's fair to say that that can be frustrating and dissuade a second attempt.

    Looking forward to new, more nimble incarnation. Good work.

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