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A large well-run study from Israel confirms that people with a prior SARS2 infection have vastly stronger immunity to both subsequent infection as well as hospitalization as compared to people who had received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine (but had not had prior exposure).

A third group which had both prior infection and a single jab did somewhat better than either of the other two groups.  

This argues conclusively that prior infection can be and should be a basis for vaccine exemption.  As always, if the data changes, so will we.

But for sure, we can say that it’s not as simple as being either vaxxed or unvaxxed.  There’s a third group in the mix and that’s people who have already had a SARS2 infection and recovered.  They are a far safer group than the vaxxed in that they don’t get reinfected as much as the vaxxed, and they don’t go to the hospital nearly as often.

So the hyperbolic vaxxed crowd calling for the unvaxxed to suffer, or pay more, or even – in some grotesque examples – suffer and die is entirely misplaced, inappropriate, and vile.

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 8:00pm

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    sand_puppy

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    Thank you!

    Nice summary of a very significant study and its implications.  Well done!!

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 8:28pm

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    No YouTube, No Problem

    I unsubscribed and unplugged from ALL social media platforms years ago. As it turns out, that decision was one of the best decisions I made for my mental and spiritual well-being in years. Personally, I would prefer NOT to give traffic to ANY social media conglomerate. I’m happy watching getting your information from your web site.

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 9:00pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    Canada Loses It

    When I wrote this, above: "So the hyperbolic vaxxed crowd calling for the unvaxxed to suffer, or pay more, or even – in some grotesque examples – suffer and die is entirely misplaced, inappropriate, and vile."

    I was thinking of this:

    Wow, such hate.  I have no idea what might have motivated the editorial staff at the Toronto Star to consider this a good idea to place above the fold on the front page, but it's hate speech and that really is never in style.

    To see what I mean, simply mentally replace the word "unvaccinated" above with "black people" or "Jews' or "Muslims" or "Christians" or "homeless people" and see how it feels then.  Not terribly subtle is it?

    What, pray tell, did the unvaccinated actually do to any of the people making such vile statements?  I mean not in theory, but in actual practice?

    The answer, in nearly every case is "absolutely nothing."  At least not directly.  I suppose we could make the case that the unvaccinated resisted the government's heavy-handed attempts to get them vaccinated which then caused the government to petulantly order more lockdowns as a form of collective punishment that then meant the vaccinated couldn't go out to Tim Horton's on their old cadence.

    In any case,  there's no place for hate speech, and the fact that the Editorial staff at the Tronto Star thought there was is a quite damning indictment of them and their lack of perspective or morals.

    I would strongly suggest that the entire staff involved in this horrid issue deserves to be fired.

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 9:25pm

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    Immortality guaranteed.

    Considering that my immortality is assured and that the chances of being harmed by the disease is less than 20% and the spike protein Is the disease, I think I'll just enjoy my sunset years watching the show.

    Are you not amused? No, Not really. High blood pressure is more likely to take me out than this disease so I avoid the obvious lies.

    EDIT: Congratulations on being censored.

    "If you are not on somebodies watchlist you should be ashamed of yourself."

    Seanna Fenner, Asiertru Freya.

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 9:31pm

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    Netlej

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    This isn't news.

    We have accepted this basic concept for generations. Medical science has proven this for decades. Why is this even being presented as something just discovered?

    There is no pandemic. 99.9% of the population will not be adversely affected. Of those who, according to PCR testing, get "infected", 99% will not die. Those who are dying are predominantly those who are elderly, sick, and at heightened risk of dying anyway.

    In order for it to be a pandemic the threat needs to be that anyone, at anytime can be infected and die. This is simply not the case. Can we all agree on this universal truth?

    Because of this massive lie hundreds of millions of people have lost income. Those who can least afford to lose even a slight reduction in income have been affected the most. Millions are suffering and dying because of this lie. Please can we all agree that it is a lie?

    At this point people are dying due to the lie and we are still calculating it in terms of pandemic only because TPTB are framing everything as "the pandemic".

    ICU's are overflowing because  private equity entities have bought them all up and done what they do to all industries, consolidate, restrict, defund, reduce labor, burry under debt, hire management to "streamline", etc.

    People are getting sick and dying in large part from negligence and they don't all need to. Thats the issue and we should all grab pitchforks, take to the streets, and end this BS!

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 9:47pm

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    shox said:

    Chris I just got your heartfelt message on my email regarding Youtube censorship. I am an EXPERT in backing up entire Youtube channels. I've been writing up software and scripts to automatically download channels over the past 2-3 years. I have downloaded your ENTIRE youtube channel, including thumbnails, descriptions and other metadata.

    Over the years, you have however posted many unlisted videos. Do you have a plan to restore these videos in case your Youtube channel gets deleted? I can help download and back them up if only I knew all their video URL's or video ID's. I'm going through the Peak Prosperity archive on this website and downloading whatever I can.

    Let me know if your team is on this, if they're backing up all your past work (including private/unlisted/deleted videos) in the event that the channel gets deleted. The same applies to Vimeo, which as you know is part of Big-Tech and hence the censorship game.

    From now on, please post to Rumble and Odysee. Give Youtube a break. And send notifications to people via email that a new video is up.

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 10:19pm

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    There is no pravda in Izvestia, and no izvestia in Pravda

    You know, the Russians used to say of Izvestia (news) and Pravda (truth), that there was no truth in Izvestia and no news in Pravda.

    "There is no pravda in Izvestia, and no izvestia in Pravda."

    And they also used to say, you never knew anything was true until it had been officially denied.

    In the West everything is backwards.

    Now you don’t know anything is false, to it has been officially hyped by MiniTruth, CNN, Goolag and youtube.

    Youtube is irrelevant.

    I trust what you say Chris. That’s all there is to it.

    sad_old_red

     

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 10:55pm

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    Mortality rate

    Anyone remember what the WHOs mortality rate was for an actual pandemic? As we all acknowledge, all logic and level headedness has been thrown out the window with the plandemic.

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 11:02pm

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    daniellemarie

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    Why one jab

    Chris, you asked why they studied one jab. My understanding is that even during the midst of the vaccine hysteria, many countries said if you've had Covid to only get one jab.

    It would also be interesting to compare data from those with natural infection plus two jabs - especially when it comes to side effects of the second jab. I'm also curious if in this situation how immunity over time is affected.

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 11:05pm

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    Even the expected can be faschinating!

    So my big question is this:

     

    If Real Covid is better than vaccine immunity and if the vaccinated can easily get Covid, will the Delta variant produce the vaunted herd immunity that gets us out of this?

     

    Any reason to suspect the vaccine would weaken or attenuate the immunity one would have otherwise gotten through natural exposure to Covid?   The data in this study seems to make it clear there are cumulative benefits but what about longer term?  Wouldn't it be cool to look for T-cell immunity in the jabbed-and-infected vs the infected?

     

    Tony "The Science" will scoff at all of this and say, "Yeah but what about the Lamda variant?  Where's your proof things will work out the same way there?  What about Gamma and Epsilon and Omega?  You ever hear of those Mr Armchair expert?"

     Anyway, Ive learned SO MUCH while the world has been going to hell.   Thanks for keeping us all company Chris!

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 11:08pm

    wotthecurtains

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    Why one jab

    "Why one jab"

     

    Thats a $20,000 question for sure.  I like your explanation.  Another is that the previously infected got one jab and had such a horrible trip that they refused a second and there just weren't enough people in the two jab group to make a real study.

     

    Dave Fairtex has shared charts of Isreali vaccine uptake showing a consitent differential between the 1 jab and 2 jab groups and hypothesized that a bad reaction to the first kind of killed the mood for people.

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 11:18pm

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    Missing group...

    I'm curious to see some data on people who were SARS2-naive and got vaccinated, but then got a breakthrough infection. Do they have the same level of protection as people who simply got the infection? How do they compare to people who got infected first, then got the jab? 

    In other words, for people who have BOTH a jab and infection, what difference does the chronological order make, if any? 

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 11:31pm

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    Summary

    If I understand correcctly, natural infection(recovered), plus vacinnation provide the best protection against COVID.  Can a person still spread the delta varient if they are in that catagory?  Is the early treatment protocol effective and recommended for a person who has had the virus (and a jab) and later is reinfected?

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  • Fri, Aug 27, 2021 - 11:45pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Replying to Summary (#13)

    I would think it less likely to spread.

    "Vaccination antibodies" are IgG, blood based antibodies.

    "Recovered from infection" antibodies are probably IgG (blood based antibodies) as well as IgA (mucosal antibodies).

    Since the disease is normally spread through the lungs via breath (mucosal tissues), the IgA antibodies protecting the mucosal lining of the nose and lungs (which exist after recovery from infection) would probably protect against lung infection. Thus, (after infection) you would be less likely to both get the disease and pass it on.

    If you only got the vaccine you would have only IgG antibodies (and not IgA antibodies) and thus you could catch the disease through the unprotected mucosal linings of the nose and lungs and potentially spread it. The vaccine might protect against the more serious vascular infection (which is exactly what it is designed to do) but since it provides no IgA antibodies, it would not protect against catching or spreading the disease.

    Accordingly, it seems that:

    1) vaccination alone - you can definitely get the disease and can spread it, but it is less likely to become severe since it is less likely to become a vascular problem.

    2) prior infection alone - you are unlikely to get the disease or spread the disease.

    3) vaccination and prior infection - you are unlikely to get the disease or spread it but if you get the disease you are even less likely to have a serious infection.

    This is exactly what real life experience is showing.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 12:01am

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    2retired said:

    With the flu vaccine, annual jabs make people more susceptible to new flu strains, if not matched accurately with the following years flu variant (Veterans study a recent confirmation) and no clear mortality benefits (NHS study).

    With this coronavirus, successful matching to new variants becomes almost a requirement for boosters etc, all within the waning (vaccine) antibody timeframe of 5-6 months. Not even mentioning increased reactivity to repeated shots, vaccine complications or ADE concerns. It seems like an attenuated exposure with ivermectin coverage, might be the best option. It seems to me that the vaccine is neither safe nor effective, but I am just a retired doc who has been suckered before.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 12:31am

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    Question

    Has anyone seen the study that is claiming hospitalization is 2x with the delta? I’m wondering if there is anything to this since it seems to suggest the opposite of previous uk data.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 1:25am

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    J.B. said:

    I just sent an email to [email protected] to the same effect as this comment.  Currently downloading max-quality for each of the 967 publicly listed videos.  Happy to provide additional assistance if desired.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 1:25am

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    Still not interested.

    Just a weeny advantage with getting the clot-shot and many, many known and acknowledged risks.

    Pass.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 2:23am

    daniellemarie

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    Yes, the t-cells!

    I have been thinking about the T-cells for quite some time. My understanding is that the antibodies fade, but the t-cells could last quite a long time (sars-1 for 10 + years and so on). So finally the t-cell test got approval in the US in March, but the company was sketchy. It is quite expensive (~$150 to $200). You either have to go to LapCorp (eew) or hire a mobile phlebotomist to come to you. I decided on the latter. However, the woman was so sketchy that I did not trust her to put a needle in my arm. (She kept not showing, saying her car broke down, etc.) I even got my doctor to call them directly to ask to draw the blood and they said no. The company name is "T-detect".

    If we could test people's T-cells, we could do so much with that information. One example would be to truly study people who are both non-infected and not vaccinated with other groups. Also, I suspect most people at this point have been exposed and have t-cells.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 5:56am

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 7:55am

    brushhog

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    Hate against the unvaxxed

    You know the funny thing is, Ive never heard an actual human being express these sentiments. I mean, Im sure they exist but is it really a sentiment that reflects the views of a significant number of people?

    I dont believe it is, I think those quotes come directly from the staff at the Toronto Star. And the staff at the Toronto star were carefully selected by the editor, who was carefully selected by the multi-national global conglomerate that owns the paper. I dont believe that most Americans or Canadians give a damn. I think they believe that if they get the shot they will be protected personally and thats all they care about.

    I believe articles like that are made to sow division, not to reflect reality. Its another aspect of illusion that I posted about yesterday. If you unplug from these illusion factories and just experience actual reality, you will find real life is radically different from the online/media mirage that we subject ourselves to.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 8:24am

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    Comorbidity v. Terrain?

    Chris, you said you were going to come back to the issue of the lack of significance relating to comorbidities as to whether you get infected.  How does this relate to improving your terrain?  I thought that was supposed to lead to fewer infections, not just lower morbidity.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 8:36am

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    Hate against the unvaxxed

    brushhog, I remember when hate speech used to be a crime.   Doesnt apply to us star wearers.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 8:38am

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    Attenuated exposure?

    Hi doc!

     

    What do you mean exactly by attenuated exposure?

     

     

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 8:42am

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    Great point about real life

    You make a great point, brushhog, about these types of comments. They are very probably being at the very least exaggerated by the media

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 8:51am

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    Medical Exemption if Natural Immunity?

    Once this study is published, it seems reasonable that it would form the basis for exemption from vaccination if one can prove they've recovered from SARS-CoV-2.   Any attorneys in the crowd?  Would it hold up?

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 9:12am

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    trackingtruth said:

    I am seeing examples of this hatred toward the unvaccinated on an almost daily basis. I work in retail at a store in a wealthy Seattle area community. Now that Washington State is mandating masks, again, conversations often involve Covid. Nearly all of the customers express dismay at the stupidity of the unvaxed, who they feel are 100% responsible for the inability to achieve herd immunity. This is even after studies prove that the vaxed can transmit the virus. I think that this lack of understanding is directly caused by the reporting in our local media. From my personal experience, unfortunately, I think that the article in the Toronto Star would find a welcome audience here.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 9:43am

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    Stph said:

    "What, pray tell, did the unvaccinated actually do to any of the people making such vile statements? I mean not in theory, but in actual practice?" -Chris Martenson

    The unvaccinated challenged their belief systems ... which, in many cases, led the vaccinated to feel ashamed or afraid.  Static belief systems and ego form a house of cards.  The only way I can see to escape this trap is for people to rise above it on an identity level and make it part of their identity to be radically honest -- especially with themselves.  I get some interesting reactions when I tell people I want to catch Covid, and defeat it -- that I am not willing to live on my knees any longer. I even got an interesting reaction from myself, when I said it the first time.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 9:51am

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    T-Detect

    I had covid in January 28, 2020 and had antibodies through November 2020. In January 2021, no antibodies detected. I did the T-Detect in April and it came back negative.  The company is owned by Microsoft ie Bill Gates so I don’t really trust the data or the methods. All I know is I had been directly exposed by my husband who had one vaccine and four weeks later got covid and gave it to 8 people.  I didn’t get it and we never masked around each other because we found out too late. So, I don’t know what to think of t-detect. I will keep up Chris’s protocol and ask the community their thoughts.  Do T cells always show up when tested?? Has anyone else done this test and had positive results and when was your case?

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 9:54am

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    Age

    Oh, do I wish this study included a group of SARS2-naive individuals who were unvaxed, but on IVM.  But that will never happen, I guess.

    I was interested in the several mentions of advanced age in this study.  Why?   I'm 63, unvaxed, on IVM, and wrestling almost daily with pressure to get the jab.   (Really, I'm waiting for a traditional vax, but that may not be in the offing).   Nonethelesss, concerning Delta (and presumably later variants), it seems clear now that getting the jab won't confer immunity, but may (to a lessening extent with time) confer a decreased chance of hospitalization/death - but with all possible side effects.

    What does this study suggest about getting the vax for SAR2-naive folks above 60 years of age?  Anything?   If it matters, my mother is 90 and jabbed, as are two brothers, both in their 60s.  No serious AE for any of the three.

    Bill

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 10:23am

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    People are angry and both vaccine camp extremes bear some responsibility

    To see what I mean, simply mentally replace the word "unvaccinated" above with "black people" or "Jews' or "Muslims" or "Christians" or "homeless people" and see how it feels then.

    You are lumping together groups of people that don't share all the same characteristics and therefore may not elicit the same emotions from everyone.  Blacks, Jews and, in some cases, homeless people, don't have a choice.  Religious people and people who decline vaccines during global pandemics are making a choice.  Heck within the religious realm, lumping together Christians and Muslims implies that all religions are equally benign or beneficial, a claim some would argue.

    What, pray tell, did the unvaccinated actually do to any of the people making such vile statements?  I mean not in theory, but in actual practice?

    The answer, in nearly every case is "absolutely nothing."

    My hair stylist and her husband both caught covid before vaccines were available.  She had a mild case but lost her sense of taste and smell and it hasn't come back.  Her husband had a far more serious fight with the virus, but wasn't hospitalized.  She related a recent encounter her husband had with someone ranting about covid and the vaccine.  When the rant paused, her husband shared his experience with the virus and how it deviated from the rant.  This is not unusual behavior with the unvaccinated crowd, where I live.

    My wife was at an appointment with her unvaccinated, chiropractor, who is willing to wear a mask if his patients are wearing one.  He started an anti-vax rant during her visit, but wisely stopped in mid rant.  My brother-in-law is also an unvaccinated chiropractor who links a lot of material from sources like Alex Jones to his facebook account, where it is immediately censored.

    My experience of the anti vax crowd is that they are less tolerant than people who are getting vaccines and that includes this website.

    The red cross recently sent out an urgent request for blood donors.  Since I was 10 weeks from my previous donation, I responded.  When I arrived, I found that the red cross had stopped requiring masks in the donation room, despite the Delta variant surge.  I asked about it.  They said they encouraged donors to wear masks, even offered to give them one, but didn't feel they could require them any longer.  I left.

    My favorite blues musician recently retired from a long career.  He said he was unwilling to risk his health, or his life, given the mask/vaccine situation in the US.

    Even if you rule out putting everyone at greater risk and the increased medical cost our society is bearing, it is simply untrue that the anti vax crowd is doing absolutely nothing to vaccinated people.

     

     

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 10:34am

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    brushhog said:

    I am seeing examples of this hatred toward the unvaccinated on an almost daily basis. I work in retail at a store in a wealthy Seattle area community. Now that Washington State is mandating masks, again, conversations often involve Covid. Nearly all of the customers express dismay at the stupidity of the unvaxed, who they feel are 100% responsible for the inability to achieve herd immunity. This is even after studies prove that the vaxed can transmit the virus.

    I believe it. But does a wealthy community in Seattle really represent the views of a significant portion of the US public? Lets not forget Seattle's welcoming of dangerous left wing terrorist groups that literally took over a portion of the city [ remember CHAZ ? ]. Even after many reports of people being terrorized and killed came out, Seattle did nothing...in fact they called it the "summer of love".

    I think the ideas and opinions that dominate certain Seattle communities are diametrically opposed to those of 90% of America. Its probably one of the most, if not THE most extreme places in the country. Its tough to be in such a place and be confronted by those views on a daily basis, it would be very easy to believe that it represents the dominant thinking. I'm sure people growing up in certain parts of Utah 50 years ago probably thought that having 3 wives was normal and acceptable.

    No offense, but Seattle is a backwards place.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 11:02am

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    R: anti vax crowd is that they are less tolerant

    That is not my experience.

    Most anti-vaxxers I know are happy to give anyone a choice. Extreme anti-vaxxers might have fringe beliefs, but generally, they don't try to prescribe what others have to do.

    Contrast that to now myriads of posts of vaxx-proponents that wish harm and death on anti-vaxxers, I see it as quite the opposite. Perhaps these are the fringe as well, but they are getting more and more vocal and now influence mainstream conversation.

     

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 11:10am

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    word of the day: nuance

    My experience of the anti vax crowd is that they are less tolerant than people who are getting vaccines and that includes this website.

    I can see you like labels and boxes.  They are great at simplifying situations that can be disagreeably full of nuance.  These days, nobody likes nuance.  "I'm going to label you an anti-vaxxer and drop you into the "crowd" box.  Boy are you guys intolerant."

    I've had vaccines.  And I don't want this vaccine.  That's "gray" to me.  But, I get the sense that you would call me an anti-vaxxer because that's much easier than dealing with my shades of gray.  "Rude anti-vaxxer!"  (But...what about those shots I got before?  They don't count?  Apparently not.  Too much nuance for today's world, apparently.)

    Lots of friends of mine got the shot.  That's their choice.  Especially if they are old, with lots of co-morbidities, and at a high risk from hospitalization and death - I totally respect their choice.  I might even make the same choice if I were in their position.

    I'm not.  And I'm also better informed.  And I tend to "doctor myself", for better or for worse.  That happened due to COVID, and No Treatments For You.  NIH doesn't care if I live or die, and so if they push a shot - I'm automatically skeptical.

    If this weren't a leaky vaccine - if it actually protected other people from getting infected, the way normal vaccines do, and it conferred a decade of protection - the way normal vaccines do - if the COVID CFR was higher, and if there weren't treatments like ivermectin (and the other dozen things that also work), I might think differently.

    Unfortunately, there are some great treatments.  And the shot is leaky.  And efficacy lasts about 5 months.  And the government is using every trick in the book to force everyone to take it.  Along with the boosters "coming soon now."   And PFE, MRNA, and JNJ have a massive financial interest, and no liability for anything that goes wrong.

    Its as if GM gets to sell "The Corvair", we are all required to buy it or we can't go to work, there are a record number of accidents (it is "unsafe at any speed"), and us normal people simply have to suck up the deaths while being gaslit "oh, your accident was just a coincidence - accidents happen all the time" - and if we complain, we're labeled as "anti-car."  While GM gets filthy rich in the process.

    But somehow, people like me - who don't want this particular vax, under these conditions (no mfr liability, using force-of-the-state to mandate it, with the most adverse events ever in US history), are somehow the bad people in the story.

    We are labeled.  No nuance allowed.  "Anti-vaxxers!"  Rude anti-vaxxers too.

    For the record, I'm also anti-fentinyl.  And anti-vioxx.  And anti-statins.  And anti-remdesivir.  And anti-anti-depressants.  And I'm paracetamol-hesitant as well.  Depletes glutathione.  And after watching my mom die from cancer (but really, from the cancer drugs), I have to say, I'm also anti-chemotherapy too.  I'm anti-DDT.  And anti-glyphosate also.

    I'm anti-dangerous-compounds.  Which, for me, this shot is.

    Word of the day: nuance.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 11:20am

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    I agree on all counts!

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 11:29am

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    Replying to word of the day: nuance (#34)

    Dave,

    You wrote:

    For the record, I'm also anti-fentinyl.  And anti-vioxx.  And anti-statins.  And anti-remdesivir.

    Ditto.

    I am sick of the "anti-vaxxer" tag.

    I have long been considering a trip to Namibia. If I go, I might get vaccinated for yellow fever.

    I won't even consider the current Covid vaccines until honesty and open discourse return to the public sphere. I see no chance of that happening.

    For this, I am labeled an "anti-vaxxer."

    The "anti-vaxxer" tag is just more propagandistic nonsense.

    If people want to converse rationally with me, fine. I am all ears. If they want to dump propagandistic nonsense on me, get lost. I have better things to do with my time.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 11:54am

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    skywolf said:

    I did the T-detect, it was negative. To my knowledge I have not had Covid, I was kind of hoping it would be positive and that I'd been asymptomatic. I did not know it was owned by Gates. That is unfortunate. I'm not sure I will trust them again. BTW, I do know they say the test is only accurate for a few months after infection, and the test is only EUA, not fully approved.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 12:11pm

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    Information is Freedom said:

    was discussing with my wife.
    My current survival odds are 99.984%

    With the vaccine its 99.995%, 1/3rd.

    But to get that 0.011% improvement, I have to subject myself to a 0.6% serious adverse event risk (5x the improvement rate).

    I was waiting on the Novavax vaccine as it seems the only one that doesn't replicate, but the amount of pressure to get vaccinated is making me rethink ever getting vaccinated. Not to mention a 5 month 3rd booster timeframe is madness, so you'd have to get TWO shots a year (0.6% risk = 1.2% risk a year of adverse events). This is madness.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 12:16pm

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    I call BS

    Les, if the unvaxxed crowd were less tolerant than the vaxxers, your post would be censored here, just like mine are on sites that echo your views.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 12:27pm

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    Novavax and anti-vax/vax crowds

    Just responding to a couple of points I saw in this discussion.

    1) I think anyone holding out for Novavax, at least in the US, should probably give up on that idea. I expect it will be a long time (years) before it is available here, if ever. TPTB have decided that mRNA/DNA vaccines are the way to go. Funny how Novavax keeps getting delayed for various reasons, even though their trial data sounds damn good. Yet Pfizer, Moderna, J&J have no problems acquiring materials needed to produce their vaccines. Expect that to continue. This is unfortunate because Novavax is the vaccine I would be interested in getting if we had it as an option.

    2) Both "vaxxers" and "anti-vaxxers" are intolerant in my experience. Over the past couple of weeks I've been attacked by both sides for comments I've made on twitter. If you're not 100% on board with getting vaccinated (or mention adverse effects, ivermectin etc) the "vaxxers" will descend on you, but if you dare question the efficacy of ivermectin or say you're considering getting a vaccine the other side will attack with equal vigor. I haven't gotten a vaccine yet, have a stash of "horse dewormer" (LOL), but am considering getting the Pfizer shot, so I pretty much antagonize everyone.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 12:32pm

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    No ladders or chainsaws

    One of the issues I’m dealing with and contemplating getting the J&J (with the the precautions in an attempt to block it) is the treatment I know I would receive if I ended up in the hospital for something else.
    I’m sure come fall there will be a lot of unvaxxed flu cases that turn into Covid, not because they are but because the unvaxxed will get put on the Covid floor and the vaxxed will be put on a regular floor.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 12:45pm

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    It is the fear mongering media, not the unvaxxed

    Even if you rule out putting everyone at greater risk and the increased medical cost our society is bearing, it is simply untrue that the anti vax crowd is doing absolutely nothing to vaccinated people.

    Since the vaxxed can still get it and spread it, it is the vaxxed that are the asymptotic  super spreaders.  Not sure how an unvaxxed individual is having any different physical effect on you than a vaxxed individual.  Now mentally, since the talking heads/PTB have told you to be afraid, be very very afraid, I can see how you might be affected.

    Really you didn’t give blood because others weren’t wearing masks?  Even fully vaxxed you are that fearful of spending 30 minutes around other people?  That is the root of this whole issue!  Why have “they” made us so afraid?

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 12:56pm

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    Attention Mike from NJ... Attention Mike from NJ.. we have a new (Legal) low

    This needs attention.. first of it's kind case I think;

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 12:59pm

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    Replying to Attention Mike from NJ... Attention Mike from NJ.. we have a new (Legal) low (#43)

    Oh, my god.

    I'll have to post a reply to this later.

    Right now, I am shocked speechless.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 1:08pm

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    Reply to Hate against the unvaxxed (#21)

    You know the funny thing is, Ive never heard an actual human being express these sentiments. I mean, Im sure they exist but is it really a sentiment that reflects the views of a significant number of people?

    I've never heard this directly either. However, I see similar comments all the time on twitter, in the comments section of on-line articles, and on facebook. This leads me to wonder - is this the kind of viewpoint that many people hold but aren't willing to express in person?  Are these comments from troll accounts just stirring up trouble? Or more sinisterly, accounts paid for by pharma (or Gates or whoever) to shame people into getting vaxxed and/or further the divisions in society?

    I'm not sure anymore, but what I can say is that I have some friends - people I know in real life - who've written stuff on social media that is not quite this extreme but is not far from it. It is not difficult for me to believe that their true feelings are closer to those expressed in the Toronto Star. And that is very disturbing.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 1:21pm

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    The gypsies chose their fate too... and endured

    I absolutely believe that segregation is back, its never truly fallen out of favor though. But to Les Phelps' point, those of us who don't get vaccinated ARE choosing that fate. Its not biological, except for the stubbornness maybe. And everyday there are fewer of us, than there are of them because once you choose to get the jab, you can't UN-choose it. Come what may.

    I am prepared to weather this storm to wait for the population wide longitudinal study to conclude. I have prepared my mind, my finances, and my heart for the worst case scenario just to get to that five year mark where we can confidently say all this was overblown nonsense and get back to life. That is to say, I am prepared to lose everything I have and become a filthy beggar (a fate many are not in a position to choose themselves). But the country was certainly divided before, particularly politically. Media collaborated with one thought group to push a narrative that the other side was full of ignorant rubes. No matter what evidence you present, their side of which Seattle is more representative than fringe, believes you are a tin foil hat wearing ignorant kook. So there are many people in this country who have already seen it, have experienced it, and saw all the signs of the same thing happening again for this crisis.

    This is the winnowing of the population. The true 1% who are resilient versus those who cave to the pressure and are bought off by the donuts. I'm not sure there's any mortal keeping score though, so the reward probably won't be had in this life, which makes it an even tougher path to CHOOSE. I suspect even Chris will get the jab at some point and those of us who don't will again be left to wander blind grasping to faith alone that we will be vindicated. Hopefully it never comes to that, but that's where I see all this going.

    Most people here will fall waiting for the evidence to get here before the economic or social pressure builds to a crescendo and leaves them behind to salvage what they can of their lives. Trusted voices fall ever day for various reasons, and they will here too.

    I'll be interested in who the remnants turn out to be after the dust settles. Whose rhetoric meets their mettle, I bet there's fewer than anyone think.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 1:31pm

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    Replying to Attention Mike from NJ... Attention Mike from NJ.. we have a new (Legal) low (#43)

    Jim H.,

    Most people know of the case of Korematsu v. U.S. They don't know it by name. They only know of the circumstances surrounding it.

    At the beginning of World War II, people of Japanese ancestry on the West Coast were rounded up and put in detention camps. In the case of Korematsu v. U.S., this mass incarceration was challenged all the way to the United States Supreme Court due to obvious Constitutional concerns. The Supreme Court upheld the detentions.

    Presently legal scholars generally regard the Korematsu case as having been decided incorrectly.

    Little good did that, the post hoc condemnations of the decision, do for Fred Korematsu and his fellow detainees.

    And that is the problem. In times of irrational fear, the courts should stand stalwart in the protection of citizenry. Unfortunately, they rarely do.

    Great Constitutional advances (for instance, Brown vs. Board of education; ending racially segregated schools in the United States) often occur when their is growing popular support for the advance. That is fine. But what happens when the courts must face down widespread public irrationality.

    Unfortunately, when that happens you too often get cowardly decisions such the Korematsu decision.

    There is a reason for this beyond simple mass hysteria.

    Often judicial appointments are politically based. They are not necessarily based upon legal acumen and strength of character.

    I encountered some very fine and courageous judges in my career. I also encountered some complete and total buffoons.

    That, unfortunately, is the nature of any human system.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 1:37pm

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    Time for interview with a psychologist?

    Hi Chris, the ongoing decent into psychosis by so many around the world is not too surprising when put into context with some of the subject matters you have already covered. I suspect some people are manifesting the behavior of projection. They are unable to confront what is actually disturbing them and project their irritation onto a target, sometimes violently. I submit that so many people in the world today live in conditions both inwardly and outwardly that are so contrary to our physical evolution in 'Dunbar limited' tribes, (and all those hardwired buttons that go with it), that we are profoundly damaged mentally and emotionally. The many current 'troubles' are pushing people over the edge into madness, and they have no tools or help to see it. Also as you have reported, their may be some who see this as to their own advantage. History shows that this always goes over badly, as outlined by Peter Turchin's 'Secular Cycles', but few of us common folk can see this large a view.

    If you have not done so already it might be nice if you could interview Robert B. Cialdini, author of 'Influence, The Psychology of Persuasion', to find out just what buttons he sees as being pushed given the current chaos.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 1:46pm

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    Well then there will be two…..

    I made my decision as well and I don’t expect to ever find a reason to change it now. The problem is, I now have NO trust in the people who are supplying the data on which the decision was made. I no longer believe this thing was EVER about a health crisis so no matter what data are supplied by the 3-letter agencies and their tools in academia/technology/government I simply no no longer trust it. I’m not playing, even if it means a shortened, rough life. But I’d rather die free than be controlled in either mind or body. If someone had told me 3 years ago that I would even doubt the narrative of 9/11 I would have just laughed at them, probably with a good dose of pity as well. But now I’ve come to distrust all of the narratives we are fed and so I am simply walking away, not playing anymore. Maybe one day we’ll meet up, you never know……

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 2:12pm

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    Susan7

    I could have written this. Every. Single. Word.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 2:27pm

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    See you there!

    Those who survive and remain strong in their convictions will be a group more bonded than any blood bond could hope for. The survivors of gulag and persecution are more revered than any others and history proves that those who endure great hardship are the writers of history and thought leaders of the future.

    Those willing to face that storm should read "Man's search for meaning" by Victor Frankl. He lived it, and discusses the mentality of the survivor versus those who gave up.

    I plan to survive, but everyone is the hero of their own adventure and I know I have a breaking point. So I guess I HOPE I see you on the other side of this chokepoint of history.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 2:36pm

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    Dr Been grace under pressure





    Among other things he has been in agreement that natural immunity is very good indeed. His courage under fire is near saintly...he has been threatened in every possible way.  Starting at around 4:20 min he discusses the attacks on him and why he is glad he stood by the truth to help others. Heartbreaking to me, he is a gentle genius....

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 2:54pm

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    nope

    i have been and continually am verbally assaulted by vaxx true believers. the assault always comes with a comment about being a trump ass licker.

    i always remind them that the shot they so dearly love is a result of operation warp speed and trump

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 2:55pm

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    Yes, see you on the other side!

    We will get through this.  Remains to be seen how much of what is will get sacrificed on the altar of the current psychosis -- or whether this touches off a cascade of failures in the economy/culture/etc. and leads to a massive dislocation (USA breaks into regionally balkanized states, etc.)...

    But all through it folks like us will have the chance to survive, and then lead the remnant forth from the wreckage into the next world.  It'll be the younger ones that build, but it'll be elders like us who lead (or advise -- I always wanted to be the consigliere, never the don)...

    May Fortune favor us all...

    VIVA -- Sager

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 3:05pm

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    Rae S said:

    I appreciate your comments about Seattle, I live here and the intolerance is off the charts. Even towards teens, with no understanding of anything useful. With a 70% vaccination rate, we should be Denmark right now! But we are back in the trenches talking about if kids should even be in school and how a child should be fitted for a n95.
    We have considered moving but to where? I’ve lived here so long I don’t know where people are sane and live in a nice middle space.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 3:15pm

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    There are really good people out there, even among the vaxxed....

    We need an uplifting story, so I will tell you all one.  There are about 1000 people in the factory where I reside, highly technical work.  In WA, the Governor made a mandate whereby the vaxed did not have to wear masks indoors, but the unvaxed did.  This was in place up until this week, when, thanks to Delta, ALL now are back to indoor masking at work.  During the few months of Jab Crow, you would readily (at least I thought) tell who was with you in unjabbedness by simply observing who was wearing a mask when they passed you in the hall, and who was not.

    About a week ago, just at the end of Jab Crow, I ended up with one of the younger managers - a person I have really grown to like and respect over the last three years - alone in a conference room after a meeting.  In the meeting beforehand I had noted that five of the eight attendees were masked.. meaning the unvaxed seeminly outnumbered the vaxed.  Heartening, at least in terms of the potential for my own company imposing a vax mandate in a time when they can't even hire enough employees to begin with.

    I asked the manager, "do you mind my asking, are you masked by choice or because you are not vaccinated".  He engaged immediately with some emotion in his voice... "I don't tell anyone, but I am vaccinated.  I wear a mask in support of my employees who are not vaccinated... I hate this policy and how it separates people".  I was stunned.  My level of respect for this guy, already high, went through the roof.  This made my day, my week.. my month.  We discussed my views, which are that people should have freedom to choose, and that there are lots of reasons to choose not to, which include knowledge of early treatments and prophylaxis, which can and will benefit both vaxed and unvaxed.  I told the manager that I was working on an exposition of the science against the mandate, and he told me that he would sign it!!!!  Holy cow.  Now I don't know if I want to involve others or make it seem like I am a labor organizer... still thinking this through.. but the fact that I have a vax'ed ally is an important realization.

    We can build a coalition that includes vax'ed.  The booster issue is becoming divisive among the vax'ed... it will bring more over to the Freedom and Choice side.  We have to hold the line NOW.  We have to fight NOW.  We have to make the case against mandates and for sanity NOW.  We have to tell our neighbors about young people succumbing to myocarditis as a result of vax NOW.  We need to make a sign and join a protest NOW.

    As my story illustrates... we need to maintain empathy for the vaxed... some of them are not so deep into the psy-op narrative that they can't be reached.  Boosters should be the hill that the globalist elites die on.

     

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 3:16pm

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    At least now we know...

    Now we know who would be the ones to turn in Anne Frank and sign up to be the guards at the camps.  Ever wonder what side of history you would have come down on back in the day? I think we have our answers now. There is only one side wishing illness and death on the other side in this debate.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 3:32pm

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    If You Don't Take 3rd Shot, You Will Be Considered Unvaxed

    On some apps for the vaccine passport, there are 8 empty spaces for future booster shots.  If a person doesn't keep up with the forthcoming boosters, then one is considered "unvaxed."  As I read through and watch many videos regarding the boosters, many people are appropriately cynical and angry, declaring they will NOT be getting any more vaccine shots.

    Think there will be ever increasing allies in the fight against chronic shots and chronic attempts to install tyranny as the new "norm."

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 3:37pm

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    skywolf said:

    coh, I agree with #2, and was waiting for Novavax, but am coming to the same conclusion. My understanding is it that is going through trials, just not in the US (it's easier to do on brown people in other countries, I wonder why). It would be ironic to have to go to another country - if they let you in - to get it.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 3:40pm

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    Chris’ theory on this being “over” in a couple months

    Chris isn’t your theory about the delta wave blowing through and giving essentially everyone immunity in a couple of months only going to be accurate if the people who are getting covid after getting vaccinated then have long lasting immunity.   In other words, we know natural immunity is durable and long lasting. Do we know the same for those who recovered from a case after the jab? Haven’t seen data on this. Anyone? Thanks.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 4:19pm

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    Blaggers said:

    I totally agree Mirroredname.

    That's the question I've been posing to my fully vaxed friends.....at least those who are open to discussion.

    "In 3 months time what are you going to do when your C19 App pings stating that your next booster must be delivered in 48 hours otherwise you lose all privilege's"?

    It's interesting watching the penny drop.

    For extra impact add pings for next years flu shot, polio booster, some weird virus found in Africa that might make it to your country.

    We've made our difficult decision to not get vaxed. They're 'on deck next'.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 4:27pm

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    Getting confirmation in this video while having Covid makes this a blissful day!

    Thank you Chris for covering the latest Israelian study on natural immunity. It was the cherry on the cake today. I tested positive for Covid last Tuesday after having a few days of symptoms. I have a prepared terrain so I did not sweat it really and having Ivermectin at hand made me even more confident I will see this trough. I must say it has affected me a bit more than I anticipated, after the coughing and runny nose eased after a few days, I felt quite weak, had an urge to sleep a lot for a few days and developed some mild headache. Today is rather good, headache ceased, feeling better but noticed my smell is gone after trying to get some fish from the fridge.

    Anyway, I have good hopes the infection was severe enough to establish some good immunity and I will have all arguments to counter any silly discussions from pro-vaxxers on me not taking a jab. At least for the coming 6 months I will not be needing it at all, I have the best protection mother Nature could provide and I am grateful enough not to jeopardize it for the bonus of some Pfizer crook.

    I basically got what I silently wished for and can only hope more will have the same opportunity if they are up for it.

    Stay safe & sane everbody.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 4:33pm

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    Terminator said:

    Hi Blaggers,

    See this all the time now. Vaxxed friends simply denying the third booster especially if they got Covid after they got jabbed. Also there is a starting realisation that vaxxed people are adding more to the spreading than unvaxxed, this is a very interesting development. We need a lot of empathy to welcome these vaxx regretters, for most it was simply a dumb, uninformed decision for a deceptive incentive. That is kicking in slowly but steadily now.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 4:44pm

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    Replying to Terminator said: (#63)

    Terminator,

    You wrote:

    See this all the time now. Vaxxed friends simply denying the third booster especially if they got Covid after they got jabbed.

    Our overlords may end up with a tough choice.

    1) Give up the endless boosters and settle for forcing the remainder of the population to get the vaccine, or,

    2) Try to force the endless booster shots.

    My gut feeling is that they choose 2) for two reasons.

    One, they simply don't have the common sense to back off

    Two, the real purpose is to subjugate the population even if that means putting down a rebellion with force.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 4:45pm

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    mirroredname said:

    Dear Blaggers ~  it takes real courage to say no to the vaccine.  The more I come to know about the very serious side effects with zero responsibility of companies making it, the more I know that is the right decision.  Add in the underlying tyranny and it is even more apparent in my opinion that this is not about "health of the community,"  it is a using a disaster to take advantage of implementing policies to further severely reduce our civil rights, as they did during 911.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 4:55pm

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    Terminator said:

    Hi Mike,

    We should strive for exposing more data making the mentioned option 2 impossible, for now it is certainly what the narrative is all about.

    I’m with Chris that I hope Delta is as nasty a spreader as it seems, sweeping through the population quicker than we can imagine and establishing effectively herd immunity. Administering leaky jabs becomes than insane, it still could be pushed but then we should be able to gather a greater crowd to stand up.

    I can see why there is a hurry to push things through (like the bogus rushed FDA approval).

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 5:03pm

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    Opposing viewpoints.

    Well done all who offer our thread contrarian viewpoints. You save me from bigotry.

    I wholeheartedly disagree with you, but I value your viewpoints.

    Last night I fell asleep listening once again to Dr. David Jacob's book, "Walking Among Us".

    I have yet to find a chink in his narrative. (OK, one very small quibble. Genes do not code for morphology, but that error is understandable, given the common hype about the wonders of genetics) credit: Dr. Bruce Lipton, Dr. Rupert Sheldrake.

    Universities should be refuges for disagreeable geniuses, they have become havens for agreeable mid-wits.

    Dr. Edward Dutton.

    I am content if I can follow the bouncing ball. The Tropical sun has been unkind to my brain.

     

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 5:24pm

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    One "jab" vs two in the study

    Chris, maybe someone already answered this or you otherwise found out. The reason the Israeli study included only persons with one jab and not two is because in Israel if you had already had the infection, the protocol was to receive only one shot.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 5:30pm

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    My Reality

    I have a family of shags sitting on my yacht tender, flapping their wings to keep warm in the cold of an early spring morning. They voice their opinions with clown honks.

    It's good to be alive.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 5:47pm

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    traditional tech

    I'm not sure if it was GVDB or RMalone who suggested an old-tech vaccine (basically an attenuated virus) which is (more or less) what the "low inoculum" measles party technique is focused on getting - broad exposure to all the bits and pieces of the virus, so your immune system constructs long term immunity.  Preferably delivered orally, so it makes the antibodies in the same place where the virus will attack.

    If that got tested for a reasonably long period, I'd be up for that sort of vaccine.  I'd prefer it to the "measles party" actually.  Better control over the dosing.

    Especially if it weren't mandated.  And the manufacturer had liability.  And it had an all-cause-mortality benefit visible in the trial data.  And immunity lasted for at least 2 years.  And if NIH starts recommending vitamin D.

    Why Vitamin D?   If they can't even get the simple vitamin D thing right (note that Fauci himself takes it - but can't quite bring his organization to recommend it to the Plebes), why on earth should I trust them with anything more complicated?

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 5:57pm

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    Dontknownothin said:

    JimH,

    I love this story. I know plenty of vacconated people who did it simply out of convenience and now are getting dragged into a persecution. Others are more enthusiastic but few are militant directly to me anyway. I have a reputation I think so I'm not such an easy target. But at my company too there's reluctance to enforce any mandates and no talk of layoffs either. Being a smaller company, all talent ends up being poached bylarger operations so loyalty is the only thing that keeps many of us in the trenches, but that knife cuts two ways and so far my company has shown loyalty to its people too. And that is definitely a bright spot in this dim world. Tomorrow is promised to no one, but today I know my company is still with me.

    I'm glad to hear there's more out there too.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 6:08pm

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    Where people are sane... Replying to Rae S

    Rae S. said:

    We have considered moving but to where? I’ve lived here so long I don’t know where people are sane and live in a nice middle space.

    Rae, I moved to the Midwest seven years ago, after spending most of my adult life in Seattle and Portland. I've never met a nicer group of people, and now that I've grown to know the place I would never move back to the coast. I live near the border between Lincoln County MN and Brookings County SD. It's surprisingly multi-racial, but that was only surprising to me because of all the things people told me about the area before I moved here. I'm sure there are heated conversations about politics, vaccines, and anything else you can think of behind closed doors, but voting records say that half of the people lean left, half right, and most of the people I've talked to sit very close to the middle. And the best part is that housing is insanely cheap, compared to Seattle. I bought a small three-bedroom house for about 50k, in a beautiful small town. Brookings is more expensive, but they're crying for workers, because there's a lot of manufacturing there. Take a look at the area on Zillow.com - if you move here, everyone you meet will welcome you, whether you're vaccinated or not.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 6:18pm

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    The Indian Army Experience?

    So do we accept the evidence this short video of the Indian Army dropping like flies after being needle-crafted?




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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 6:19pm

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    Good data that confirms my 'common sense' decision tree

    This is my personal journey through this virus.

    I am a 70 year old in a health care setting.  I have been for years keeping my terrain up as well as possible with Vit D, Zinc, moderate exercise and other good health habits.  February 2020 I was exposed to the virus and had a significant but non hospitalized case of Covid 19.  This was confirmed by both PCE and anitbody tests.  After a 5 week recovery I returned to work and decided to also get the vaccine (two doses)...with a reaction of 24 hours of fever and fatigue both times.

    Based on my understanding of natural immunity I returned to work with the confidence that I was in a much safer condition that those without this immunity.  This was before any vaccine was even available to me.  My decision to also get the vaccine was a crap shoot based on my age.  I told my kids that I was voluntarily participating in a field study  of this new drug and if I didn't survive well that at least I had lived a good life.

    Now after 18 months your report on this Israeli study confirms my gut level decisions.

    Thanks for all you do.

    By the way, after returning to work without the sword of Damocles hanging over my head I saw vividly how much fear porn there was in the news cycle and how susceptible most of patients were to it. The mass hysteria work you did recently is superb.  Another thanks.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 6:29pm

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    Smyav said:

    I hope the day comes when these people can be brought before the court and tried for hate crimes! I've heard this sort of thing first hand and still can't see how people get to that place of justified hate.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 6:39pm

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    Re: where are people sane - Midwest ?

    The Midwest is not as homogenous as people might think. I’m in IL, but only two more weeks (thank God), moving to TN.

    IL is for the most part unbearable due to the krass influence of liberal politics. Yes, out in IL boonies, you will find more reasonable attitudes, but that doesn’t prevent the whole state being screwed royally by Chicago / Springfield politicians.

    For me, it’s good-bye Midwest.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 7:08pm

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    Driver's licence.

    Should the vaccinated surrender their driver's licences? After all, road accidents are at a 40 year high.

    Credit: Clif High.

    Oh. And industrial accidents are at a 60 year high.

    What say the actuaries?

    EDIT: Be careful out there on the roads. This could be happening.




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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 7:45pm

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    driving for vaxxed

    It is beginning to appear to be a major issue driving requirements for vaxxed.   I saw a video of guy who passed out after being vaxxed and just about ran over 2 guys standing behind a boat on a trailer in the middle of the road in front of boat business.

    In most states, you have to be free of fainting and seizures for "6" mos before driving again.    Meaning in many states, these people are not eligible to drive for at least 6 mos after their most recent episode. ( it is criminal to violate )

    So yeah,  No Driver license for you.. VAXXED.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 8:34pm

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    Be careful with this one - Pretty clear misrepresentation here

    Indian media has (in my view - correctly) this as a fake video based on a real event where a group of soldiers undertook a 10km run in field kit during high heat/humidity.  Looking at video they have removed soldiers pants/shirts to reduce heat stress.  Don't see this as a likely response to vax attack.

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 9:05pm

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    Earthiest said:

    Unfortunately, my Facebook has lit up the past two days with comments made by people I personally know saying, more or less, the exact same thing the Toronto Star did.

    After seeing the fifth or sixth one, here was my snarky response ...

    Yesterday was a bad day ... I saw several posts from Durango folks that really opened my eyes.
    I finally realized just how much of a burden a certain portion of our population is on our medical system and society at large. As such, I agree that the following people should be denied medical care:
    - Those with Type 2 Diabetes or Heart Disease who partook in diet and lifestyle activities that we know lead to said diseases.
    - Those with Lung Cancer who are, or were, smokers.
    - Those who partook in unnecessary risky behaviors including, but not limited to: mountain biking, kayaking, rafting, and skiing.
    - Those in car accidents who weren't wearing seat belts.
    - Anyone who partook in immune suppressing behaviors during the cold/flu season and/or during a pandemic. Such behaviors include: eating sugar, drinking alcohol, and getting less than 7 hours of sleep.
    It's time that as a society, we recognize these folks are a huge burden on our medical system and take up critical space in our ERs and ICUs that should be reserved for folks who didn't do these selfish things.
    Oh wait, what is that you say, those are horrible and evil things to say. Guess what, YOU ARE CORRECT, they are horrible and evil and inhumane statements.
    Now, go ahead, tell me why saying unvaccinated individuals should be denied medical care is any different.

    I'm happy to report, it's actually getting a lot of positive traffic on Facebook today with only one negative response. That person did agree to check out FLCCCs newest fact sheet on totality of evidence for Ivermectin and, so far, hasn't responded to say its crazy. So, maybe she had a bit of a wake up call.

    -H

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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 10:01pm

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    Toughen up Princesses. It's going to be a rough winter.

    I try to prise open the Overton window.

    Clif_high blows the entire Edifice apart. I cede the ground to him.

    (Ha! I have the jump on him. He leaves Einstein's "bent nothingness" conjecture intact. With that pillar, the Great Edifice of illusions remains.)




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  • Sat, Aug 28, 2021 - 10:05pm

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    IL is a hot mess

    We have a ton of them moving across the river lately to get away from the mess in their state. All I can say is they better not mess up this state voting for the same crap that IL into the mess it is in.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 1:26am

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    T-Detect and Other Things

    Question for Chris- Is there any evidence for the vax erroding or interfering with natural immunity from a previous infection? I seem to remember maybe Geert saying something about that... Which is why I keep being surprised to see that you put natural immunity plus vax at the top of the list. I was under the impression that the vax could mess up natural immunity.

    On T-Detect- I may have had Covid in January and/or March 2020, but that was before PCR testing was available. An anti-body test came back negative in Feb 2021. And I did the T-Detect in May 2021, which also came back negative.  T-Detect was way beyond the window of accuracy. I also found the T-Detect to be sketchy, I was not confident that the lab knew what they needed to do to handle the sample correctly. And I had to drive 45 min away in order to get the blood draw, because I didn't want to pay another $100 or so to get someone to come to me. I would really LOVE to know more about T-Cell immunity and whether there is any other way to determine if you ever had Covid. The only thing I am aware of is Dr. Patterson's technique for long-haul Covid finding a "signature" in your macrophages (or something along those lines).

    Jim H- I totally agree with you about finding vaxxed allies. Reaching those we can reach. I have been testing out how best to frame things so the pro-vaxxed can hear us. The best I've come up with is as follows:

    • Vax only has 1 mechanism of action against the virus (creating anti-bodies to the spike protein). But IVM has 5 anti-viral and 4 anti-inflammatory mechanisms of action, which makes it better at handling variants. Vaxxed folks may still need IVM as vax efficacy diminishes or as the virus mutates.
    • Same viral load for vaxxed and unvaxxed- makes me more cautious of vaxxed because they don't know they're sick. False sense of security means they put THEMSELVES and others at risk without realizing it. Circles back to point 1.
    • Vax does not protect against long haul. IVM does.

    That's 3 reasons it's in their own interest to know something about IVM, which sidestep talking about things they may not be ready to hear if they are vaxxed like vax injury/death, ADE, or immune escape. Sticking to how it's in their own interest to know something about how to counteract the limitations of their chosen strategy seems to have had some success as I've been trying it.

    Davefairtex- totally with you on your post on nuance. Loved the line "I'm anti-anti-depressants." I had a good belly laugh with that one, thank you!

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 6:51am

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    There's stupidity coming from everywhere.

    There is stupidity from all sides over Covid 19.  Here's some thoughts.

    • Did anyone ever think the governments of the world were going to get the solution right first time.  Have you seen how modern politics works or did you just wake up to its fecklessness mediocrity.  Should we lambast everyone in charge or see the whole experience as a demonstration of the limits of modern government (democratic or social) and management in general.   Of all the managers we have suffered under were any of them ever perfect.  How many were really anything more than interactive seat warmers.
    • Clearly most people think its better to be free than dead  or better to be free and to hell with everyone else.  Why should anyone be expected to do the right thing, like getting vaccinated, for their community.
    • Freedom... was does that mean anyway?  Freedom to be an asshole or a danger to everyone else is not freedom at all.  If freedom of speech means not saying anything to piss someone off then clearly freedom to be an asshole fits right into the same misunderstanding.
    • The vaccine isn't 100% risk-free and effective.  No kidding.  Where in the hell has everyone been living?  Get you heads out of the sand.   When was a vaccine for anything perfect?  If you want guarantees, get yourself a padded cell, never go out into the street and for the love of God, don't ever drive a car.

    There's not an open mind in sight.  The sheeple just follow the narrow opinion they like the most regardless of science.   Maybe instead of pin-pointing consequences (aka stating the obvious) we should look at the system as a whole and ask ourselve "how we can fix it".  Democracy is not some derivative of biblical utopia, it evolved from tribalism, dictatorship salted with religious doctrine and influence by sheer weight of numbers.  Nevertheless, what do the sheeple and pundits do about it... complain, point fingers and then oscillate between political parties who ultimately tote the same establishment and institutionalized hard-line.   How 'bout we change the constitution instead of just framing some outdated piece of paper and fawning over it blindly like religious nuts.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 7:42am

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    To pgp

    There is not a snowball’s chance in hell that I am going to take that shot “for the good of the community”. Most people who die of covid already have one foot in the grave. We have a government that refuses to make treatments available that other countries have used to TREAT covid patients with great success. Immunocompromised people can die of anything that would not hurt a normal person, not just covid but you think the rest of society should run off and bend over backwards for these people? You can keep your shot. Come back and talk to me when the fatality rate is up over 10% for healthy middle aged adults. I have served my “community” for years both as a military member and a volunteer firefighter. I know what risk is as well as service to community. I have done enough. I will NOT do this.
    BTW our constitution is NOT just some “outdated piece of paper”. It is a set of beliefs that people sign up to die to protect. That is true dedication.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 8:01am

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    Yo pgp! I think you have an ally in the US Army.

    Caution: language warning.

    https://twitter.com/TWines4congress/status/1431078931705303041

    http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2021/08/bad-doggie-nazi-cunts-gonna-nazi-cunt.html

    Pgp wrote:

    • …Clearly most people think its better to be free than dead  or better to be free and to hell with everyone else.  Why should anyone be expected to do the right thing, like getting vaccinated, for their community.
    • Freedom... was does that mean anyway?  Freedom to be an asshole or a danger to everyone else is not freedom at all.  If freedom of speech means not saying anything to piss someone off then clearly freedom to be an asshole fits right into the same misunderstanding…

    …How 'bout we change the constitution instead of just framing some outdated piece of paper and fawning over it blindly like religious nuts.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 8:19am

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    brushhog said:

    In one post you mock freedom, disregard the constitution, and place conformity and collectivism on a pedestal. The only things you forgot to attack were God and apple pie.

    Looks to me like you are using your 'freedom to be an asshole' pretty liberally. Nothing more to be said, we are so completely opposed in our core wiring that no civil discussion is possible.

    All I will say to you is that we're not taking your poison shot and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. You're just going to have to live with the reality that not everyone thinks the way you do [ thank GOD for that ].

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 8:30am

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    Kathy said:

    Great post!

    I’d add unplanned out of wedlock pregnancy to your list.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 9:34am

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    good for the community

    pgp-

    Reading over your post - it seems like you believe:

    • getting vaccinated is good for the community
    • "Freedom to be an asshole or a danger to everyone else is not freedom at all."  I interpret this to mean, you believe that if someone is unvaxxed, you assume they are are a danger to the community; contrariwise, you believe the vaxxed are not a danger to the community; vaxxed = clean, unvaxxed = dirty & dangerous.  Not an uncommon viewpoint.
    • you say the vaccine isn't perfect - because nothing is perfect.  We should not expect perfection.
    • and then you say - "How 'bout we change the constitution instead of just framing some outdated piece of paper and fawning over it blindly like religious nuts."

    So it sounds like you're for forced vaccination, using a non-sterilizing vaccine, that neither prevents transmission or infection, in order to "make the community safer."  To you, this is "science", and those who don't subscribe to this "science" are close-minded sheeple.  (Did I get that right?)   And then you tell us that the lack of efficacy preventing transmission and infection for this specific set of vaccines is to be expected, because "nothing is perfect".

    You believe that the fault isn't in the vaccine's design.  All vaccines are faulty in this way.  It is normal for a vaccine to be imperfect and non-sterilizing.  It is expected for them to lose efficacy after 6 months.   [You might want to read up a bit more before making this claim.  Just saying.]

    Lastly, you think the constitution needs some changes, and you believe that our founding fathers were wrong about some important things, and you have the fix for all of it, but you're keeping the details to yourself.

    And - the "religious nuts" comment suggests to me that you're an atheist.

    And you seem a little bit upset.

    Did I miss anything?

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 9:46am

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    Communal responsibility for you, but not for Pfizer

    Good points Dave, of course the MO for these guys is to drop an inflammatory bomb and then disappear. I dont expect a discussion.

    You'll note the recurring mantra of "responsibility to the community" but they absolutely blank out in regards to the lack of responsibility and accountability of the drug companies.

    So I'm supposed to give up my bodily integrity and put something in my body that I dont trust or believe in for the 'good of the community', but the huge multi-national drug companies dont have to part with any of their profits to compensate the people that they hurt and kill?

    Communal responsibility for thee but not for me.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 9:52am

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    the thinking

    It's still helpful to see what the thinking looks like among the "Science!!" followers.  Even if no discussion actually takes place.

    Agree 100% about Pfizer's duties (or lack thereof) to our global community.  "We wanna make $40 billion next year off these shots, come hell or high water."  FDA???!  Surely you won't get in the way of our money train?  Right?  "You'll never work in this town again" if you do.

    And that's the benign interpretation.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 9:54am

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    Wow, kettle calling everyone else a kettle

    What’s your ideas to fix this, Negative Nelly?

    I wouldn’t want you in my foxhole. First you’d shoot the enemy, then pull the pin and drop a grenade under us. Then complain about the survivors for crying out in pain.

    I support your right to be a whiny bitch, but now have to tell you that you actually have nothing to add here while complaining we aren’t adding anything.

    Sheesh, some people.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 10:35am

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    Natural immunity + 1 shot vaccine explanation

    @Chris in the video you asked why they only listed natural immunity + 1 shot. What I can say about this is, that in germany you only need one shot of the vaccine (moderna, Pfizer, j&j or AstraZeneca) if you have had a proven infection and 6 months between infection and the vaccine to count as fully vaccinated here.

    Maybe that's the reason why the only took those into account for the study.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 10:53am

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    tbp said:

    @yagasjai
    Question for Chris- Is there any evidence for the vax erroding or interfering with natural immunity from a previous infection? I seem to remember maybe Geert saying something about that... Which is why I keep being surprised to see that you put natural immunity plus vax at the top of the list. I was under the impression that the vax could mess up natural immunity.

    Here's pro-vaxxer Dr. David Bauer, whose team in Britain analyzed antibody levels, explaining how "booster shots" will be necessary due to the double-vaxxed having 5-6x less neutralizing antibodies than the non-vaxxed:




    Jim H- I totally agree with you about finding vaxxed allies. Reaching those we can reach. I have been testing out how best to frame things so the pro-vaxxed can hear us. The best I've come up with is as follows:

    Vax only has 1 mechanism of action against the virus (creating anti-bodies to the spike protein). But IVM has 5 anti-viral and 4 anti-inflammatory mechanisms of action, which makes it better at handling variants. Vaxxed folks may still need IVM as vax efficacy diminishes or as the virus mutates.
    Same viral load for vaxxed and unvaxxed- makes me more cautious of vaxxed because they don't know they're sick. False sense of security means they put THEMSELVES and others at risk without realizing it. Circles back to point 1.
    Vax does not protect against long haul. IVM does.

    Great points. Add that natural antibodies aim for the entire virus, or at least highly-conserved pan-coronavirus antigens like the N (nucleocapsid) protein, providing a far more robust antibody-based protection. Also that T-cell-mediated immunity is just one type, artificially induced in a broad way by artificial spike proteins that only cover original Wuhan spike protein, but increasingly less mutated versions (starting with Delta only a few months in).

    @pgp
    Did anyone ever think the governments of the world were going to get the solution right first time. Have you seen how modern politics works or did you just wake up to its fecklessness mediocrity. Should we lambast everyone in charge or see the whole experience as a demonstration of the limits of modern government (democratic or social) and management in general. Of all the managers we have suffered under were any of them ever perfect. How many were really anything more than interactive seat warmers.

    Yeah, that's what we should've done after WWII, just politely explain to the Nazis why what they did was "a demonstration of the limits of modern government (democratic or social) and management in general".

    The vaccine isn't 100% risk-free and effective. No kidding. Where in the hell has everyone been living? Get you heads out of the sand. When was a vaccine for anything perfect? If you want guarantees, get yourself a padded cell, never go out into the street and for the love of God, don't ever drive a car.

    You gotta be kidding, right? Spike proteins were known to be pathogenic for many years prior to these quackcines, all previous coronavirus vaccines failed in animal models due to ADE, the manufacturers have 100% legal immunity, they have a long criminal history, yet they themselves always maintained that these "vaccines" don't prevent infection or transmission but only "lower symptoms", Moderna knew to start producing Spike protein mRNA "vaccines" before the plandemic even started, the quackcines were all built on the graves of millions of people who had to die unnecessarily by censoring the effective treatments so as to receive EUA, they continue to this day to suppress the very idea of treating those who get sick... CLEARLY, this is not a "vaccine" designed to help anyone other than those who profit from it... What more evidence do you need, sir??

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 12:16pm

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    Have you seen my Ivermectin??! - Humour of the day!

    Well it made ME chuckle?!

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 12:49pm

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    New article

    Hi there,

    I came across this article in a comment at Ecosophia.net.

    https://www.scivisionpub.com/pdfs/us-covid19-vaccines-proven-to-cause-more-harm-than-good-based-on-pivotal-clinical-trial-data-analyzed-using-the-proper-scientific--1811.pdf

    Wondering if folks have seen and have opinions about it.

    Thanks!

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 1:18pm

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    Thank you.  Good explanation

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 4:05pm

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    Norman001 said:

    Sorry to hear that YT is breaching its own country's 1st amendment for the 100,000th. time. Why not just post videos on platforms that support free speech and put a sketchy notice on YT to signal where the video is to be found.

    Also use selective mis-spelling or split words (vac sine) to defeat the bots. I know a retired doctor who does this on one of the social media with great success.

    I don't know how YT avoided anti-trust laws. It's almost a world monopoly. But I digress.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 5:08pm

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    Dr. Robert Malone, Inventor of using

    This is quite long but very complete. And fascinating.





    If you don't have the time, go to 1:10:00 for the second hour. Rationality will return to your brain and a good elevator pitch can be had.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 5:48pm

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    Dr. Ryan Cole #StoptheMandate

    Dr. Ryan Cole nails it.

    "We made a promise in 1947 after WWII that we never again would experiment on humanity or coerce anybody against their will and literally this is what we are seeing. There were [email protected] nurses and doctors hung for doing exactly what we're doing to humanity right now saying "you will participate in an experiment or you will loose your job"."





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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 9:04pm

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    No longer a valid argument for experimental injection.

    They don't protect from infection, not from transmission, nor do they keep symptoms down. The virus, like all viruses throughout history, have mutated at least 6 to 8 times and some research says 15 to 20 times since inception.

    Natural immunity takes this all in stride as nature intended. Experimental GMO injections are well past any useful application but hey...we got warehouses full of the stuff so we must mandate it before we lose all that money.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 9:16pm

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    Midwest City Folks...

    Yes, what you say about the cities in IL would also go for the big cities in MN. I wouldn't even drive through Minneapolis right now. Here on the fringes, though, folks act more like they do in South Dakota, where people are assumed to be smart enough to make personal decisions for themselves. I hope you find the same tolerance and sanity in TN. If the state government here starts noticing us, I'll probably move across the border, too.

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 10:30pm

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    Somebody figure out how to Aersolize and give a metered minimal & effective dose

    If am going to inhale this critter at some point, I'd prefer to work my way up to it. Especially if naturally immunity is 6-13X better than the Vacx.

    Probably some of this already happening via masking, but hey is administering a minimal yet  sufficient enough dose to lead the body to develop immunity a crazy idea?

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  • Sun, Aug 29, 2021 - 10:41pm

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    not crazy idea

    its called inoculation.  And i would line up for this long before the current jab.   This is really what all vaccination is based upon. What we did with smallpox was not vaccination it was inoculation , and it is exactly what you call crazy.  So no , completely logical and completely sane.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 12:56am

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    Cole & CD8

    I looked for evidence (papers, etc) about the decline in CD8 that Dr Cole was talking about.  I didn't find anything.  If he is correct, we'll see an increase in both cancer, and all those formerly-latent viruses which will now get out of control.

    This "drop in CD8 levels post-shot" hypothesis is probably the most worrisome thing I've seen.  Assuming it is correct.

    I am reminded of my friend who got the Pfizer shot, and promptly saw his PSA level jump quite alarmingly.  Maybe that wasn't a false positive after all.

    Reminder: annual cancer mortality for 55-64: 263/100k, which is #1 on the list for that age group.  That's 4 times more dangerous than COVID: 65/100k, assuming a 20% annual attack rate, No Treatments For You, and the "SC2-2020" version of the virus.

    "In order to reduce your mortality for COVID, we need to increase your risk for cancer."

    It is probably a good idea to study this one more.  Even a small increase in cancer risk would make this shot a bad idea for many age groups.

    What a relief that the companies have no liability.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 1:30am

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    I’ve been looking for the article describing CD8 cells being inhibited by the vaccine — I found this:

    Lab founder shows damage COVID jab’s spike protein inflicts on vital organs 

     

    which led me to this:

     

    “The response of innate immune cells to TLR4 and TLR7/8 ligands was lower after BNT162b2 vaccination, while fungi-induced cytokine responses were stronger. In conclusion, the mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine induces complex functional reprogramming of innate immune responses, which should be considered in the development and use of this new class of vaccines.”

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.03.21256520v1

     

     

    Does the “informed consent” sheet say anything about “complex functional reprogramming of innate immune responses”?

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 2:31am

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    May I know the link to this video pls? Thanks.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 2:53am

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    May I know the link to this video pls? Thanks

     

    https://youtu.be/tUE5EBPt-lU

     

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 3:25am

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    @srj1972

    Natural infection is definitely to be favoured because that’s what nature is all about and hence the better natural immune response efficacy. The trick is getting enough virus load to trigger proper anti-body production. I believe this is why we see reinfections and breakthrough infections (dose too low). Also too much virus load will even compromise the healthy, that’s why there are outliers in the data, young and healthy on the ICU. In fact this is what happens everyday, the uncontrolled spread of unspecified amounts of virus in the population. We “just” need to make it controlled and specified/tuned.

    I’m not a medic, but giving everybody an inhaler with just enough virus to trigger proper immune response for a given person might be a real miracle solution indeed.

    Anyway, make sure your terrain is prepared, if you are immune comprised or have co-morbidities/high age the risk/benefit of natural infection might not work out well and a jab might be a better bet. This gift to the world from the CCP is no joke, it’s not the end of the world either.

    Btw for those that know I was dealing with covid, today I feel much better, I believe my body cleared it and after a week of hardly any effect my daily niacin triggered a flush again (signal?). Smell is gone, but so is anxiety and confidence is at all time high, ready to rock&roll again!

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 9:48am

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    Fewer cytokines in vaccinated

    Primary Care_MD,

    Interesting find there in that second paper. It looks like from that paper that fewer cytokines were produced after the vaccine than normal.

    Surprisingly, the production of the monocyte-derived cytokines TNF-α, IL-1β and IL-1Ra tended to be lower after stimulation of PBMCs from vaccinated individuals with either the standard SARS-CoV-2 strain or heterologous Toll-like receptor ligands

    From my understanding this means that vaccinated individuals are less able to fight off infection as their bodies don't mount as effective an immune response. While the cytokine STORM is bad, cytokines are critical to the bodies coordination of the immune response so fewer of them means slower reaction and the virus/infection runs away with it. Not a good thing if this is the case.

    Further reading confirms this finding.

    The induction of tolerance towards stimulation with TLR7/8 (R848) or TLR4 (LPS) ligands by BNT162b2 vaccination may indicate a more balanced inflammatory reaction during infection with SARS-CoV-2, and one could speculate whether such effect may be thus useful to regulate the potential over-inflammation in COVID-19, one of the main causes of death (Tang et al., 2020). On the other hand, inhibition of innate immune responses may diminish anti-viral responses. Type I interferons also play a central role in the pathogenesis and response against viral infections, including COVID-19 (Hadjadj et al., 2020). With this in mind, we also assessed the production of IFN-α by immune cells of the volunteers after vaccination. Although the concentrations of IFN-α were below the detection limit of the assay for most of the stimuli, we observed a significant reduction in the production if IFN-α secreted after stimulation with poly I:C and R848 after the administration of the second dose of the vaccine (Figure 1H, 1I). This may hamper the initial innate immune response against the virus, as defects in TLR7 have been shown to result in and increased susceptibility to COVID-19 in young males (Van Der Made et al., 2020). These results collectively demonstrate that the effects of the BNT162b2 vaccine go beyond the adaptive immune system and can also modulate innate immune responses.

    It seems in the singular focus of the drug companies to target the SARS-CoV-2 they tore the security doors off the immune system allowing everything else in too.

    Great find and terrible news!

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 10:26am

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    I would highlight this sentence from the paper;

    Speaking of the effects of vaccination;

    This may hamper the initial innate immune response against the virus

    For kids, this is why they don't get Covid-19 in the first place.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 10:26am

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    Robert Malone 🙏

    Thank you @000, if I had time I would listen in on any of the podcasts featuring Dr. Malone. Luckily I had some nano-particle induced free time as of lately so I took a shot on your suggestion.

    I also took your advice to start after 1:10 into the conversation and frankly the closing remarks from Dr. Malone have the ultimate punchline.

    Some remarkable findings:

    BioNtech (they produced the mRNA shot Pfizer took a license on) are apparently founded by the German government, the same government that has brought forward PCR for Covid inventor Drosten.

    Moderna seems also government subsidized (NIH has a stake?).

    Both references imply there are governmental actors that will benefit dearly from the whole vaxx frenzy, nothing surprising or new, but interesting to get this mentioned in the open by Dr. Malone.

    What struck me most was the "fallacy" we are in, the so called Noble Lie : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie

    Dr. Malone identifies some of the Noble Lies as follows:

    1. Herd immunity will enable us to open up our economies (false, but must been uphold)

    2. (Only) Vaccins will get us to herd immunity (false, but must been uphold)

    3. Vaccins are perfectly safe (false, but must be uphold)

    It's clear to see the linking pin in the jab, Dr. Malone steadily refers to them as gene therapy. He does not say they are totally unsafe, he's realistic and sees the risk/benefit to certain cohorts but he does oppose the first two lies firmly. The jab is leaky, so no herd immunity even if you jab every multi-cell organism in the country for the rest of their life monthly twice (this is paraphrasing..) and even without the false hope herd immunity we can live our lives and open up the economy.

    The narrative needs to break at some point, for now, it is just jam stuck in a groove of this broken record.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 11:46am

    Terminator

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    Terminator said:

    pgb, it's easy to rant against you, but I won't.

    There is stupidity from all sides over Covid 19.

    Totally agree, and I would add the biggest stupidity is just eat cake and don't get your facts straight. A fallacy we all easily succumb to. Unfortunately it can't be missed in your thoughts either.

    Did anyone ever think the governments of the world were going to get the solution right first time.

    No, hell no. Of course not, they never will. However, after more than 18 months and some clear scientific insights you would have expected a change in narrative or altered approach. I grant them the first months of response, but they fucked up ever since. Even if they planned all this, which is hard to believe, they screw up big time.

    Your remark on "interactive seat warmers" strikes a chord, it's failing politics all over. There is hardly any real representation of the people, the short term money grabbers and career politicians metastasized.

    Clearly most people think its better to be free than dead  or better to be free and to hell with everyone else.  Why should anyone be expected to do the right thing, like getting vaccinated, for their community.

    I'm sure it a comforting thought, but the jab is not the right thing to do, it CAN be the right thing to do for some. If you are not clear on this, you are in too deep, this one is so obvious that for you fluvoxamine might not only be wise as a covid treatment to take.

    • Freedom... was does that mean anyway?  Freedom to be an asshole or a danger to everyone else is not freedom at all.  If freedom of speech means not saying anything to piss someone off then clearly freedom to be an asshole fits right into the same misunderstanding.

    Well, you have expressed that right for sure, ain't you? In my book freedom is mostly the absence of someone else dictating what to do, having a choice in how to commence one's life. Living in a community, society comes with some rules and protocols so yes we need to adhere and sacrifice some of this freedom for security and comfort. Nothing what happens today has to do with health safety, this is hardly as deadly as advertised to all, so mandating a sacrifice from all to their bodies integrity is beyond comprehension. Unless some is tapping in the comfortable pharma dollars. Freedom is worth fighting for.

    The vaccine isn't 100% risk-free and effective.  No kidding.  Where in the hell has everyone been living?  Get you heads out of the sand.   When was a vaccine for anything perfect?  If you want guarantees, get yourself a padded cell, never go out into the street and for the love of God, don't ever drive a car

    Get you heads out of the sand. Great remark! The jab is framed as a vaccin, but it isn't. No matter how you turn it, it is gen therapy based and moved deliberately outside this realm to prevent extensive diligence.

    A vaccin is never 100% risk-free, but it sure is effective most of the times. That's why we like vaccins in the first place. They do prevent decease, almost always, effectively because they are sterilizing. This jab, quackcine is actually a good word for it, is not sterilizing, it does prevent some infection certainly and demonstrable, not all, it allows for indication free spreading as much as an unvaxxed person (they would show symptoms and have to respect quarantaine rules) and it does not prevent catching the decease, getting ill and die. Your odds on not getting severely ill from Covid are slightly better though, your odds on adverse side effects too but those odds are not reported on for your comfort.

    And oh, your smart remark on getting in a car, the risk of a healthy person (no comorbidities) dying of a car crash in the US (per year) is about 10 fold the chance of having died of covid since the outbreak.

    Have a nice day and enjoy your vaccin passport privileges while you can.

    I had to close with this funny video, it just came to mind and is for all that I hope got a pad on the back and some supersized fries to go with that DeBlasio burger when they had their shot :

    VAXXS

    I can picture how they will marching in the street calling to get their third V A X X 🙂

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 12:42pm

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    40% decline in vax efficacy month to month

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262111v1.full-text

    Looks like a 40% decline month to month in the vaccinated virus naive immunity.

    Among never infected individuals who received the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine, we found higher initial antibody levels followed by a faster decrease rate compared to patients who had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus. As a corollary of that, the proportion of vaccinated individuals whose antibody levels drop below the threshold thought to be protective is increasing substantially by the fifth month, while it is uncommon in convalescent individuals.

    A multifactor analysis shows the contributing issues:

    In both populations, there was a strong association (p<0.001) between elapsed time and antibody titers: each month was associated with a mean decay factor of 0.623 [95% CI 0.599-0.649] in vaccinated patient, while for convalescent patients the decrease was only by a factor of 0.960 [95% CI 0.939-0.982]. Among the vaccinated, antibody titers decreased with older age (factor 0.790 [95% CI 0.644-0.969] for age≥60), chronic renal disease (factor 0.200 [95% CI 0.143-0.281]), underweight (factor 0.359 [95% CI 0.144-0.893] for BMI<18.5), solid malignancy (factor 0.642 [95% CI 0.494-0.834]), COPD (factor 0.643 [95% CI 0.479-0.863]), patients with diabetes mellitus (factor 0.720 [95% CI 0.579-0.894]), and hypertension (factor 0.786 [95% CI 0.639-0.966])

    Note: second attempt since the site apparently went down for a little while and this never posted. Fingers crossed.

     

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 1:41pm

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    Judge Orders Hospital to Treat COVID Patient With Ivermectin

    https://www.newsweek.com/ohio-judge-orders-hospital-treat-covid-patient-deworming-drug-ivermectin-1624186

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 2:04pm

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    Reply to Judge Orders Hospital to Treat COVID Patient With Ivermectin

    helmadi, that article is so typically Newsweek.

    It says:

    Ivermectin is approved by the FDA for use in humans to treat certain parasitic worm infections. But federal regulators say there is no evidence it works on COVID-19 and warn that it can be dangerous in large doses.

    "People who take inappropriately high doses of ivermectin above FDA-recommended dosing may experience toxic effects," the CDC said. The effects range from nausea and vomiting to seizures, coma and death.

    The FDA said it has received "multiple reports of patients who have required medical support and been hospitalized after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses."

    Complete rubbish. Pure disinformation. But millions of people will believe it.

    I doubt Newsweek will follow up if the patient recovers.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 2:55pm

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    "multiple reports"

    That's, like, what:  three reports?  Two?  Two is a multiple...

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 3:22pm

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    complete BS about IVM

    utter rubbish.  It has a toxicity profile lower a lot lower than the majority of drugs.  Inappropriate high dose?  Yeah, right.  You could take 100 times the required dose and you wont even need to be hospitalized.    Its not multiple cases - and even as they state its because people are taking horse paste.  Well if you prescribe the shit - people wont have to do math to figure out how much horse paste they require.   But my undestanding of the only reported indecent was of some idiot who ingested a whole tube of horse paste.   and did not die.. in fact their support is nothing , he was observed.  AND yes there are side-effects .. all drugs have side effects, especially at higher doses.  So, NO one has died. have they?     oh death or coma?  not even 1 in a billion doses this is utter crap.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 3:25pm

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    "multiple reports"

    They should tell us how many people had to be treated after self-medicating with other drugs during that time frame. Aspirin, tylenol, advil, etc...put it in context. I bet it's far more than were treated for ivermectin-related problems, yet people don't bat an eye.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 3:43pm

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    Since it went so well with Covid...

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/moderna-begin-human-trials-two-experimental-hiv-vaccines-180978521/

    Since the Covid vaccines effectively contained and sterilized the virus in vivo and prevented the worldwide pandemic from turning endemic, we should try it with Pope Fauci's old favorite too.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 3:48pm

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    Yes, you can get CV19 more than once

    My 28 yo daughter proved this to be true.  Now, she has no idea what shot the hospital gave her, but she now has reduced heart capacity, to the point where she may now require a pacemaker.  She was a super athlete in high school, unfortunately didn't keep it going to college... but that's another story.

    We had booked a 2 week cruise that was supposed to leave Feb 2021.  That cruise was rescheduled for Feb of 2022.  Looks like they are requiring Vax to even board the cruise.  My wife is under dr orders to not get the vax, because of other health issues.  This puts us bind, because so far, they are stating either get the vax or abandon the money paid.  I'm going to be looking for a FL attorney to sue the cruise line and organization that set up the cruise.  In my mind, it's a change of terms and conditions that were not present when we booked the cruise.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 4:03pm

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    Phil can you please be more clear about a few things from your last post....

    The title of your post suggests two cases of Covid-19... which of course would be rare based on what we are learning about the strength and persistence of natural immunity, at least in comparison to vaccine-induced antibody immunity.  But, then you mention "a shot".  What shot?  One of the mRNA vaccines?  So, she had Covid-19 before, then got vaccinated, then got a breakthrough infection?  Is that the picture you are painting?  If so that is very different vs. having Covid-19 twice with no vaccine in between.  Thank you, Jim

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 4:16pm

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    The tough question...

    Given what we know about natural immunity's longevity and the waning vaccine efficacy, a breakthrough infection like PhilH has mentioned suggests the vaccine DOES in fact override natural immune response.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 4:40pm

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    vitamin D study

    Chris Martenson,

    Have you heard of this study on vitamin D ?

    https://www.eatthis.com/news-vitamin-d-covid/

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 4:58pm

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    War Games.

    I challenged you all to design a plan to eradicate 90% of humanity. It's time to hand in your homework.

    What have you got? Too hard?

    OK. Your next assignment is a lot easier. Devise a counter-strategy.

    Hint: We do what they tell us. We sit on our arses. And then we don't do what they tell us. We don't get up again and go to work. Too tired. And too chaotically human.

    What must have become blindingly obvious to the most lumpen is that this is is Not a Game. This is the Real Thing.

    Humans, Your Planet is being invaded. 

    No it doesn't involve Hollywood style shoot-em-ups. (Hollywood is fantasy) You don't get to dictate to the enemy how to fight. Especially if they are hive-minded and think that they are here to save us from ourselves.

    Ref: Dr. David Jacobs, "Walking Among Us", Clif+high, and your very own eyes.

    Ultimately Freya saves us. She said that anyone who sells his freedoms is not one of Us. He is a Bastard and we must drive him and his mother from our lands.

    Ref: Our Oera Linda.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 5:16pm

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    TXalchemist said:

    Chris, I generally agree with you, but not on this one (at least not without reading the article itself in the Toronto paper).  Quoting statements from Twitter in a story about the divide over vaccination is not hate speech by the paper, and it is fair and in fact usefully informative to report it (you yourself have reported it, or at least reported the report of it).  If I say, "I have a neighbor who hates black people," that's not hate speech on my part.  Even if I say, "My neighbor said to me last night, 'I hate black people,'" that's not hate speech on my part.  Considering the censorship you've experienced on YouTube, you may want to think carefully about calling for the censorship and employment termination of others over reporting the facts regarding challenging issues.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 5:21pm

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    Vitamin D

    Good God!!! Vitamin D is lethal. Got to get the clot-shot!!!

    (Hint: Take K2 with the vitamin D, problem fixed.)

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 5:39pm

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    Immunity after Infection following one dose of vaxx?

    Has anyone seen data on immunity after infection following one dose of vaxxx?
    Could this could be  a "safer" way to acquire natural immunity?

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 5:52pm

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    Chanah said:

    Did you notice that the article right under that tells you to take VitD? Crazy...

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 6:30pm

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    Indian soldiers video

    According to this report from India, the soldiers collapsed after an endurance run in hot weather, not from vaccination.  https://thegreaterindia.in/top-news/fact-check-soldiers-collapsed-due-to-covid-19-vaccine-video-of-indian-army-soldiers-collapsing-shared-with-anti-vaxx-narrative/

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 6:59pm

    Arthur Robey

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    The Indian video

    I heard tell that the details were sent on a five mile run and 5(?) dropped dead from heart attack. That shouldn't happen. They were "vaxxed" of cause.

    Ref: Clif High.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 7:17pm

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    Actually even pre vax military members die doing PT

    If they are running at a fast pace in high heat and humidity wearing full battle rattle I could see it being an issue. This is quite a few people to lose in one incident but how much water were they provided, what kind of conditioning do they have etc...

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 7:20pm

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    Severe weather my asshole. I was in the military and did plenty of hot extreme weather runs - and they know exactly how hydrated you are. and how much heat you can tolerate and what your conditioning is.   Not saying someone cant drop.  But if more than one - it is highly highly suspect.  Because no one runs when they are that uncomfortable or not properly conditioned or hydrated.   Either way these people have been physically vetted, and are young.   I can assure you it is highly suspect when you have more than one individual collapse.   Especially requiring hospitalization. I have seen people drop from heat and never once need hospitalization.     For young conditioned people with plenty of experience, to have this many drop and require hospitalization, and one die, leads me to believe its not weather related.  especially they just coincidentally just happened to be vaxxed recently.   Nope - I call bullshit.  I am not this dumb.  and neither are our troops or other country's troops

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 7:37pm

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    Jim H, yes she got it twice

    First event was literally a non event for her.  Her dr tested her for antibodies and confirmed she had covid and recovered.  About 8 weeks later, she got it again.  I only mentioned the shot, because she said they gave her something in the hospital, but she didn't ask what it was. Her second go around was much worse.  The shot was given while she was in the hospital.  She said her arm really hurt, and things got worse after the shot.  Irrespective, she wore a heart monitor for several weeks, and they are contemplating a pace maker.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 7:52pm

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    More evidence of biological warfare

    Jon Rappaport discovers that face masks (Made in China) are laced with carbon nano-particles and other slow acting poisons.

    (The carbon nano particles have been shown to enter the brains of mice and reduce anxiety in a similar way to Toxoplasmosis.)

    Freya was right; where Lydas children can bend a tree and kill a lion, Finda's children cannot bend a tree, but where Lyda kills one lion, Finda kills ten.

    If you won't take carbon in the vial, perhaps they can get it into your body through your lungs.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 8:08pm

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    Jermwarfare.

    Why would your accept any injection from someone who wants to reduce the worlds population?

    Dr. Zelenko

     

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 8:18pm

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    Jack Johnson said:

    The military normally takes all kinds of precautions.
    They do NOT want their service members dropping like flies.
    It is bad publicity... because that kind of word would get out.
    I am going to assume that they made it past basic training and were in the field.

    I am fairly certain that if there were 5 members who got into trouble and 1 died (if I read that correctly), then there was probably something else at play.
    I find it very easy to gloss over the subject and say it was the heat (easy and plausible explanation) without showing any kind of evidence one way or the other.
    Show the shot records... if it was fairly recent, then maybe there is something else going on here and someone should look a little deeper.
    That is too many at one time to be considered "normal" or even "weather related".

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 8:37pm

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    brushhog said:

    Im pushing 50 and I can run 5 miles in gear even in summer heat. Theres no WAY that its normal for a bunch of 20 year olds to drop like that.

    They're clotting up and dying. My guess is we're going to see alot more of that going forward and when flu season hits its going to get wild. Can you say "cytokine storm"?

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 9:40pm

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    My first thought when watching that was "mass casualty training" different stations with different "injuries"... but usually they have aid pack ready and waiting for those exercises.

    A hot and humid run? Maybe, but that'd be a pretty malicious commander to keep a breakoff pace like that. The other thing was they were all in the barracks or near their facilities. They weren't in the field on a boots and utes mud run.

    Not sure if the Indian (or Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Nepali) army is mandating vaccination at this time. They have a critically low civilian acceptance rate already. I'm thinking training, but it doesn't completely make sense to my western mind.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 10:46pm

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    Sounds like they gave her the vaccine while she was in the hospital???

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 10:58pm

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    Covid Twice

    This is quite rare and eight weeks makes it seem like it is connected to the first bout. She maybe didn't quite clear it and could have had antibodies and still relapsed.  It would be interesting to see if it was two different strains which is possible but extremely rare.

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  • Mon, Aug 30, 2021 - 11:09pm

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    Nordic, a lot of people in here have been in the military

    I HAVE seen people drop during training. Crap the Air Force has some fattie drop every year during the PT test. Next thing you know you have to answer all these questions next year before testing.  We don’t know what went on before the video we were shown. I am not willing to chalk it up to anything at this point. BTW no, I have not gotten the clot shot and don’t plan on getting it.

    https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2017/08/01/investigators-heat-stroke-killed-airman-during-sere-training/

    https://www.army.mil/article/186280/heat_can_kill_you

    Heat stroke happens and it can be fatal.

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 12:00am

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    Israel's Booster campaign - those who do not receive it no longer considered 'vaccinated'

    Israel is already commencing 3rd Covid shots for ages 12+. As expected, this phase will render those 'fully vaccinated' back to 'unvaccinated' without the booster shot, with respect to their level of restrictions.

    The only requirement for receiving the booster shot is having received the second dose of the vaccine at least five months prior. Those who do not receive a booster shot will no longer be considered vaccinated as it relates to restrictions if more than six months have elapsed since their second shot, coronavirus czar Salman Zarka said. That change will go into effect on October 1.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-expands-booster-shot-campaign-to-everyone-1.10162651

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 12:48am

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    Israel's Booster campaign - those who do not receive it no longer considered 'vaccinated'

    this will eventually makes more and more unvaccinated ppl

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 1:48am

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    How you know you are living in a big immunology experiment

    First we see nursing homes having their own little epidemics post vax;

    https://www.kxxv.com/news/coronavirus/17-nursing-home-residents-in-brenham-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-receiving-vaccine

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/new-outbreak-covid-bc-care-home-1.5941508

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8226105/

    Later what do we learn?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8223011/

    B- and T-cell immune responses elicited by the Comirnaty® COVID-19 vaccine in nursing-home residents

    .....The Comirnaty COVID-19 vaccine elicits robust SARS-CoV-2 S antibody responses in nursing-home residents. Nevertheless, the rate and frequency of detectable SARS-CoV-2 IFN-γ T-cell responses after vaccination was lower in nursing-home residents than in controls.

    Oooops... sorry about the suppressed CD8 cell response post vax...  don't look over there.. looky here at all these Spikey B-cell antibodies!   That dang immune system is just so freak'in complicated.

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 3:23am

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    why not just sell saline

    I mean this whole vaccine scam - was nothing but a big $$ scam; if you were going to offer something that doesn't work, why not just inject saline? I bet that was part of the distribution.

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 3:38am

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    Interesting video where a South African doctor treats Covid 19 as an allergic reaction. Four thousand patients, Zero deaths.





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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 3:54am

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    MsSmith said:

    The 8 day thing may not apply to Delta. Need a follow up interview to see how he is dealing with that, perhaps blitz immediately instead of waiting.

    Excellent interview

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 4:49am

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    excellent discussion of covid progression and when to administer steroids and antihistamines

    ian.k
    This is an excellent video. https://youtu.be/VTqmXOAU2mQ  I particularly like the sections from 24 minutes to 30 minutes and especially from 30 minutes on, where he describes how the progression of a covid infection is like clockwork (he was in close contact time wise with his patients).  With something like a week from initial infection the disease seems to go away then at an exact time (I forget, maybe at the 7th day) the hyper-immune response kicks in lungs get shot, and he treats that as a regular severe allergy by giving steroid (pregnisone) and antihistamine (promethazine) to knock down the hyperimmune response.
    By the way- you can buy pregnisone acetate (5mg tablets) from the same Indian suppliers that sell ivermectin.
    I wonder if a strong type inhaler (epinephrine, or a less strong derivative in some cases) can deliver the needed steroid directly into the lungs in lieu of pregnisone (what do you think SP?)  Also, this is probably the reason why CM reported that asthma is not a co-morbidity and in fact asthmatics have slightly higher survival (due to their frequent use of inhalers delivering steroid right into their lungs when they need it for the immune hyper reaction that occurs later).

    Regarding antihistamine needed with the steroid, would pseudofed work as well as promethazine?  Pseudofed is very strong, works well for my allergies.

    Without commenting on all the terrain building materials and FLCC guidance often talked about here, I am referring only to the sudden reaction that occurs about 7 days on which this doctor focuses on for success with his 5,000 patients far away from western medicine and far away from a hospital (kind of like being in a locked down city without medical care and only a regular over the counter drugs to rely on in the US). He has had great success with steroids and antihistamines at that crucial lung killing stage where the hyperimmune shock sets in...

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 6:11am

    Mysterymet

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    Nice video

    How long until youtube removes it?

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 6:36am

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    Fantastic interview

    Fantastic interview,

    much of that what Dr Chetty explains corresponds with my experience. In particular the early intervention and “…on using HCQ… only those that started on day 1 or 2 that seemed/did not to progress into stage 2 of the illness… non those (day 1 - 2) of my patients on HCQ had that reaction…”.

    Also his explanation for something I am just now getting aware of. Yes, I remember that 1 week after I recovered from my short 2 days un-wellbeing – when I thought all is over - I started having light stomach discomfort and “very loose movement” that that kept going on for 5-6 days. That perfectly fits to what Dr. Chetty explained “… after 7th day some patients developed Gastrointestinal symptoms… due to affinity for ACE receptors in the gut…”.   Just Wow…

    Anyhow, on one side it is fantastically refreshing to see how a passionate physician deciphered the illness and helped so many people… but unfortunately, soon after that sadness about the arrogance of the medical – political system and the ignorance and gaslighting of a large part of the masses kicks in.

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 7:31am

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    Pfizer Board Member Acknowledges Natural Immunity?

    So I'm a bit skeptical about this, but if true, perhaps the message is getting out.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pfizer-board-member-warns-policymakers-natural-immunity-needs-be-included-covid-mandate

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 7:55am

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    Dr Chetty

    A more recent interview with him is at covexit.com entitled The Early Treatment of the Delta

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 8:02am

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    Double vaxed become unvaxed again

    Of course this will just be used as another stick with which to beat the never-vaxed, as I doubt the two categories will be kept separate by TPTB.

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 8:12am

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    There was a reason for two shots so why not for the booster?

    I understood it was because the first shot did not produce enough neutralizing ABs in proportion to the amount of binding ABs produced, which meant it was potentially dangerous.  So if enough time elapses before the third shot, why wouldn't two shots be required again?

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 9:58am

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    holy crap Arthur!

    Do you have the actual link to video?  that is terrifying..... really scary to be on roads if this is really happening 🙁

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 10:07am

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    Sharon Coe said:

    Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant not an antihistamine. Most common antihistamines are Zyrtec, Claritin,  Benadryl and chlorpheniramine.

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 10:26am

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    Arthur.. another video link please

    Please send!  Wow.

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 10:39am

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    A new level of success in the giant VAX gain-of-function experiment

    This is how you do it!  Take all the vaxed, spikey protein selection pressure enhanced young viral replicators and put them together in closed quarters for days on end.  Talk about optimizing the kinetics for more fit mutant strains to emerge as they get passed back and forth!  Genius!

    Don't forget this simple picture of what is happening;

     

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 11:05am

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    Canuck21 said:

    Yes I was thinking the same about the packed stands at the US tennis Open last night — presumably all vaxed, as the event is in NY, and not a mask among them.

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 11:15am

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    Inflamatory!

    NO, I'm not talking about the S-Protein.

    I'm talking about the notion that one has to take personal responsibility re: medical freedom or medical totalitarianism.  It's really no secret in the Tyrant community that you have to control a medical system, or the food system to control a population.  The easiest way to frighten people is a threat to their health!  Fear is essential to total control.   It's an old playbook. Duh.

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

    -Benjamin Franklin

    The injections have been shown to have limited medical value except in a small and specific population of the vulnerable.  Since the injections have little health value, AND since the Authorities, especially in English speaking countries seem to have all the same lockstep (goosestep) vaccine policies, it is fair to ask "what's going on here"?

    It's time to remember the consequences of appeasement.  It's time for visible passive resistance .  A button would do just fine to get the message across.

    That's what a citizen can do.  The stakes are way huge.  Delay will have great costs.  Right now, personal health integrity and freedom of speech are getting steamrolled.

    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

    - Samuel Adams

     

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  • Tue, Aug 31, 2021 - 11:25am

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    Andy in the Sun said:

    @securitygirl,

    in case you cannot get the link, I have the video downloaded. In case PM me, I an send via wetransfer.

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  • Wed, Sep 01, 2021 - 8:27am

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    Audrey Doepker said:

    Chris, I live in Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada. And things are not good here. Universities and corporations are now mandating injections (can’t call them the other thing) with threat of losing your employment and ability to attend school if you resist. Sask is not the only province to have mandated this. We do not hear of science or trials or actual breakdown of numbers. It’s an incredible place we’ve come to. Never would I have believed my Canada would fall in such a way.

    Ps. I faithfully watch your videos and follow your channel, have for years and years. I am a paywall customer and respect your delivery of actual facts and science.

    Pray for us here in the north

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 1:35am

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    Hi Security girl.

    On the off-chance that you are who you say you are; I think that this video might be the source.




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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 11:23am

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    I agree, and I'm angry.

    Indeed, such attitude reminded me about the horror that was the 2.28 Massacre back in Taiwan, and the subsequent "White Terror" that's the longest martial laws in history for 38 years.

     

    BTW Christ, about improving our terrains, well just like a healthy soils need vibrant soil microbiome diversity, perhaps we can look into prebiotics and probiotics forms of whole foods that address gut microbiota dysbiosis, within the context of Covid-19.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 12:29pm

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    Follow up - got Covid; seem fine four days later ....

    Well, this post may be buried deep in the pile, but wanted to update you all on what I've experienced since this video posted.

    First, I'm 63 years old, male, no co-morbidities, not vaxed.   I've been on Vit. D and C, elderberry, NAC, Quecertin (sp), zinc, baby aspirin daily, for months.  I've been on IVM (human pills) weekly at ~.2mg/kg for about 6 weeks.   As data was seemingly getting undermined for IVM prophylactic (Dr. Kory got it, studies questioned) and with Delta raging, I was considering the J&J, given my age.   See post 30 above.  Had an appointment to get the J&J on August 23rd; but read more about survival rate vs age, the waning effect of the vax, and that it didn't immunize (I knew that from the beginning from reading EUAs), and knew of possible AEs.  But pressure from family/friends....   Didn't go for jab.

    Then, Sunday evening 8/29, it started:  sore throat, cough, chills, then fever, body aches.   I immediately doubled IVM dose, and Monday am got tested.   Positive for Covid.   To my great surprise, my commercial ER doc and nurse were not vaxed and the Doctor had just recovered from Covid - no shaming involved; only confirmation of my reading.   He gave me a steroid shot, azithromycin, and monoclonal antibody infusion, that day.   I started on HCQ, dexamethasone, azith, fluvoxamine and budesonide on Tuesday.   Since about noon on Tuesday, all symptoms have dissipated.  No fever, no breathing issues, no cough, SpO2 in high 90s.   My wife (vaxed) seems fine and we will both be tested later this week.   Hoping for two negative tests.   I feel lucky, yet also a bit vindicated from all my reading here.   Thank you.

    Bill

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 12:42pm

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    Johnson Tao said:

    Within the context of the gut microbiota dysbiosis-hyper response immune system- cytokine storms triad, ivermectin functions as an antibiotic breaks the negative feedback loops by temporary distorting all gut microbiota, including the helpful ones. However it's use isn't without risks, especially when there's healthier and sustainable alternative. Furthermore, considering your chronological age, your immunosenescence can be evolutionarily adaptive within the right context, however you need to regulate and support it with healthy gut microbiota while avoid systemic chronic low grade cytotoxicity.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 1:03pm

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    Johnson Tao said:

    Asthma is hyper immunity, especially when we consider the remodeling of upper respiratory tracts and endothelial cells during chronic deregulated autophagy, characterized by a lack of ketosis, not a lack of inhaler.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 1:40pm

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    RetiredZebra-Got Covid; Got over it in 4 days

    I hope you don't disagree with your slight restatement of your subject line.  Congrats and thanks for letting us know.

    I just heard Joe Rogan is saying he threw it off in 3 days with Ivermectin, etc.  I haven't read the story myself, though, yet. I am hoping, very much, it is true.

    BTW, where approx do you live?  Nice to find a doctor to work with you instead of try to argue, I bet.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 1:51pm

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    Breaking News/Breaking Rules: Joe Rogan says Wiped Out Covid in 2 Days; Masters Melt Down (w/ Ivermectin and all manner of "non approved" treatments)

    Media Melts Down After Joe Rogan Says He Recovered From Covid in 3 Days After Taking Ivermectin, Z-Pak (VIDEO)


    Media Melts Down After Joe Rogan Says He Recovered From Covid in 3 Days After Taking Ivermectin, Z-Pak (VIDEO)
    Highly popular podcast host Joe Rogan on Wednesday announced he had to move his comedy tour schedule around because he came down with Covid on Saturday night.

    Rogan, 54, said he was “feeling weary” on Saturday evening and developed a fever and headache over night.

    “So we threw the kitchen sink at it, all kinds of meds,” Rogan said in a video post to his Instagram page.

    Rogan said he recovered in 3 days after taking monoclonal antibodies, Ivermectin, Z-pak, prednisone, IV vitamin drip.

    TRENDING: Media Melts Down After Joe Rogan Says He Recovered From Covid in 3 Days After Taking Ivermectin, Z-Pak (VIDEO)

    “…and here we are on Wednesday and I feel great. I really only had one bad day – Sunday sucked, but Monday was better, Tuesday felt better than Monday and today I feel good,” Rogan said.

    --

    I'm looking for corrobration for other sources.  What will they do about Joe?  Will they "cancel" him?  IRS audit him?  Arrest him for illegal use of drugs?   What?  Enquiring minds want to know!

     

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 1:55pm

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    Thank you for sharing your early treatment success story Bill.

    Good for you!  Many of us here are now jealous of your (likely) demonstrable natural immunity... on a rational scientific basis you are in the best possible shape going forward, notwithstanding ongoing efforts to coerce all of us, even people in your position, to get vax'ed for no apparent reason.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 2:11pm

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    Johnson Tao said:

    Why are you jealous over something that you can easily gain cross recognition from common betacoronaviruses?

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 2:12pm

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    Inverted totalitarianism - someone posted this excellent comment recently - I wanted to thank them and highlight the OP - who nailed it? had a link to a George Carlin video

    "But it leaves me thinking of Sheldon Wolin :

    Inverted totalitarianism is different from classical forms of totalitarianism. It does not find its expression in a demagogue or charismatic leader but in the faceless anonymity of the corporate state. Our inverted totalitarianism pays outward fealty to the facade of electoral politics, the Constitution, civil liberties, freedom of the press, the independence of the judiciary, and the iconography, traditions and language of American patriotism, but it has effectively seized all of the mechanisms of power to render the citizen impotent."

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 2:15pm

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    Johnson Tao said:

    He could do even better with asymptomatic infection, if he proactively worked on optimizing his own gut microbiota.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 2:24pm

    Jim H

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    New study: Vax in UK cuts long covid risk 50%.... LOL

    I can use my prophylaxis regime + Ivermectin early treatment cocktail to reduce chance of long Covid >> 90% easily.  Without exposure to any Vax side effects.  This is a no brainer, based on THEIR data.  The entire vax edifice of artifice is based on the simple denial of Ivermectin's efficacy.  That's it.  That's the whole game.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 2:39pm

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    Quercus bicolor said:

    Hey Johnson Tau, that's an hour long video.  Could you give me a summary of the important issue or at least a timestamp in the video where the information you're referring to is located?

    Also, you just joined today and you've been busy posting lot's of links to this material.  I'll just say you haven't got my trust yet.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 4:45pm

    RetiredZebra

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    RetiredZebra said:

    North Dallas area; Highland Village, TX.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 5:34pm

    Johnson Tao

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    Johnson Tao said:

    That's "Tao", and if you can't even sit through an hour long interview, how can you possibly go through more than 80 papers crossing immunometabolism, psychoneuroimmnology, metabolic inflexiblity, gut microbiota dysbiosis, like I did before I signed up?

    Discipline is freedom.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 7:15pm

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    Johnson Tao reply to #178

    I can read the studies, but they are so far over my head, and even in videos much is above my pay grade, which is why I appreciate Chris and all those who assist PP.  And there is so much information out there and I'm sort of greedy and want it all. Often people  provide Cliff Notes.  In my next life I will promise to do better in all the sciences.  Johnson Tao, I will do the video, just don't test me on my comprehension, OK.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 11:33pm

    Johnson Tao

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    Johnson Tao said:

    I'm not paid to do science, I apply the science of functional medicines to enhance my own terrain and quality of life. When it comes to my health and wellbeing I follow my passion, not the money.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:04am

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    Paper recommends boosters of people recovered from COVID, is there any rationale?

    Here is the paper: https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abg9175

    the link I've got from: https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/94341

    The question is - is their data reliable and if not why not?

    I am a hesitant non-vaccinated person and am looking for more data on each side of the fence. Can anyone spot anything obviously wrong or misleading with this paper?

    Question for Chris:

    Would be great if you can discuss immunity response for groups such as:

    - vaccinated, then got and recovered from COVID

    - recovered from COVID and vaccinated after that

    - recovered from COVID and not vaccinated

     

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