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This is my first video back after a YouTube strike and timeout (for reporting on a profound impact on women’s health and reproductive cycles from vaccines), and its main purpose is to try and alert people as to where to find me and my reporting should a complete deplatforming by BigTech occur.

The hellish 18 months we have endured amidst the SARS-COV-2 pandemic have tested us all in many ways. But our struggle to beat back this disease (and maintain our societies and economies in the meantime) pales in comparison to the threat of another new pandemic sweeping the globe: our loss of basic freedoms and rights.

As our once treasured principles of personal privacy, free speech and bodily autonomy are dismantled (allegedly) because of a grave public health threat, how will we live, or dare I say, merely survive, in this brave new world?

What will it mean to be an American, a European or a member of Western Civilization in general after these deeply treasured beliefs become but quaint relics of the past? Can any of us really guess?

That’s why it’s more important now than ever that free-thinking, like-minded people work together to keep the lines of communication open and free flow of ideas moving. As censorship continues to silence the many voices of scientists, doctors, journalists, and concerned citizens un-beholden to corporate media interests, we need to find new communities and safe spaces to discuss ideas and maintain sanity in an ever maddening world.

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Part 2

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Pfizer Board Member: ‘Natural Immunity’ Against COVID-19 Needs to Be Included in Policy Discussions: https://www.theepochtimes.com/pfizer-board-member-natural-immunity-against-covid-needs-to-be-included-in-policy-discussions_3971383.html

https://oklahoma.gov/content/dam/ok/en/covid19/documents/weekly-epi-report/2021.08.25%20Weekly%20Epi%20Report.pdf

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.08.21260210v1.full.pdf

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 9:10pm

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    MadRocketScientist

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    MadRocketScientist said:

    YAY the website is back! Keep up the good work Chris, the world would not be the same without what you have done!

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 10:06pm

    dadzcats

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    Wow, what happened?

    I couldn't get in either and then eventually I got a very different sign in screen to finally access the site.  Once here, I had to sign in again.  Everything seems very slow to load as well and I've got all new equipment as well as upgraded speed.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 10:30pm

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    Thought the site problems were just me

    Anyway,  they have the accelerator floored at the moment with the agenda - kill DWSNBIN and force the vaccine - it is safe and effective.  and take your two pills with it.

    Somehow we have to force something so good for you.    And censor opposition to it.  Yeah, that proves it is great stuff.  because those who oppose it are getting rich by doing it - and advancing their careers.   and getting stroked kick backs from the govt and other interests.  no wait that is the FDA. CDC, pfizer, fauci and co, congress. and Twitter, amazon, gates, facebook, and google.

     

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 10:31pm

    Sandy

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    So grateful!

    I can’t tell you how grateful I am. I’m a logical, intelligent seeker of the story behind the story surrounded by family and friends who have swallowed the programming narrative. I’m getting so much pressure to take the jab. I so appreciate your thorough research and analysis. Reassures me that I’m not crazy. Thank you so much for your mission. I appreciate you and your team, Chris!!

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 10:31pm

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    denalizen

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    denalizen said:

    Chris. In the Spring of 2020 part of your call was to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed. The hospitals are overwhelmed. That is an actual fact, no science needed. No big data sets.   People are being turned away from hospitals.    The actual doctors on the ground are pleading for people to mask up, get vaccinated, and continue to be very careful. That's how bad things really are.

    I've been around with you since January 2020, subscribed since then.  I subscribed to Peak Prosperity in June 2020.   I really enjoyed your videos, a voice of reason in the middle of chaos.  I agree with you on the censorship issues, see the reasoning, along with many of the doctors I follow, some for many years on Youtube, on zinc transporters and even invermectin.  I bought horse paste, just in case, based on what I read, much of it directed to by you.

    But you're no longer promoting social distancing, or masks.  And you said the balance of keeping our hospitals and economy both serviceable was important.  The economy is coming back.

    But our hospital staff are at the breaking point.  My MILs nursing home keeps calling me every other day with reports of a new case (last summer when that happened 1 in 10 died).  Long term covid and lifelong effects are just as much in question as the vaccine questions.  But you speak nothing of those things now.  You don't seem to care anymore, about suffering ... about saving every life you can from either economic or physical suffering.   People are dying again, most of them are not vaccinated.  500 a day we are back up to again.  But they are more likely getting it because they are not wearing a mask; they've stopped being careful, taking care of themselves, looking out for their best interests in the simplest of ways.   Your advocacy for simple solutions is why I respected you last year.

    What happened to those truths that you used to recognize back in Spring of 2020??

    Yes, censorship is frustrating.   It is a big cold machine, Youtube.   But are you losing your humanity to that frustration?   You don't seem to have the same goals anymore.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 10:43pm

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    Flood of Signups Crashed the Site

    Hi Everybody - Please accept our apologies for the interruptions in service.  We had a flood of new users come into the site after premiering this video and it crashed the site multiple times.  We've upgraded our servers to try and stay in front of it!

    Welcome new people!

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 11:24pm

    Johnson Tao

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    Johnson Tao said:

    Hospital staff are overwhelmed by the sheer physiological thus metabolic burnout from the PPE, even before the new variant.

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  • Thu, Sep 02, 2021 - 11:28pm

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    kali0x2a said:

    good to hear. i was already worried.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:40am

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    kenwdelong said:

    Chris, check out the book "Unassailable" by Mark Jefkowicz (?).  He talks about how to keep your online presence as robust as possible.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:42am

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    kenwdelong said:

    Can you tell us where?  According to worldometers, here in Arizona we are having a small bump, similar to last July, and almost no increase in deaths.  I met some paramedics and nurses, and their comments were mostly around the huge number of heart attacks and strokes they are seeing, they didn't mention being overwhelmed with covid.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:44am

    Karen Iacovelli

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    Karen Iacovelli said:

    Chris…You have changed my life. The censorship  & race towards totalitarianism requires truckies across the globe fighting this politicized, weaponized medicine. Here in South Carolina, DEHEC is public enemy #1, now threatening to strip physician licenses for prescribing Ivermectin. CVS refuses to fill script. Nurses are quitting. They see the truth. ICU’s don’t treat, they support.  Temperatures are rising…the lying authoritarians are killing people. We have ammunition of facts, thanks to you. And a dedicated people who are challenging the false narratives originating from the hell of the criminal CDC/big pharma collusion.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 1:30am

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    davefairtex

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    blaming the wrong person - pharma gonna pharma

    denalizen-

    You're blaming the wrong person for hospital overflow.  I suggest you focus your ire on the CDC, NIH, FDA, and now the AMA.  No Treatments For You is responsible for the vast majority of the hospitalizations and deaths from COVID.

    The only "interventions" CDC et al want us to have are the useless "compliance masks" and the disruptive "social distancing."  These are collective punishments - key components of the vax marketing campaign.  "We will punish you until you comply and accept our highly-profitable shot."

    [at-risk 6-comorbidity-obese-elderly should probably wear the N95 in poorly-ventilated areas, which may have a protective effect.  For everyone else, there's just no point to wearing a compliance mask unless they are symptomatic.]

    By contrast, early treatment provides a 70% reduction in hospitalizations and deaths for single-therapy, and from Dr McCullough's data on his sequenced multi-drug therapy, we see perhaps a 90% reduction.

    I tell you what.  Once PFE/MRNA/CDC/NIH/FDA/AMA change their policy and start supporting the sequenced multidrug therapy that works well to reduce hospitalizations and deaths, and after the 90% reduction, hospitals are still overflowing (assuming the overflow isn't about all the nurses leaving due to Pharma-corporate-imposition of "vax mandates" on our "front line heroes" many of whom have natural immunity already), then sure.  Masks and social distancing.  And hand washing.  And hiding in the basement.  Might move the needle by 10%.  But no more collective punishment before sequenced multidrug therapy is approved by our sociopathic "health" organizations.

    After 18 months of No Treatments For You, it is clear that the COVID19 pandemic is a financial Plebe-harvesting operation, run for the express benefit of the Stakeholders.  "Sometimes a bunch of people have to die for us to make a profit."  That's just how things go in Pharma-land.  Stakeholders come first.

    Anyone remember Vioxx?  Or fentinyl?  50,000 dead with Vioxx, and 500,000 dead from fentinyl.  COVID19 is really no different at all.

    Pharma gonna pharma.  Sociopaths gonna sociopath.

    We're the stupid ones if we keep falling for it.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 1:43am

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    Hi Denalizen

    Your post reminds me of this situation: Last night I came back from a drink with friends. In our street there was a man standing below a lamppost. I asked him if he was OK. “No” he said, “I dropped my car keys while opening my car, so I’m looking for them here”. “But where is your car?” I asked because there was no car in the vicinity. He pointed towards his BMW 20 meters back. “But, but, why are you looking here for your keys?”. “Well”, he explained, “here is the lamp”.

    ———

    Sad to hear about  the situation in your  hospital. I understand the crunch you are in, like all others, your hands are thight behind your back. However, the situation about covid is avoidable: that is the main gist of most research papers that are being rejected. That is the conclusion of the data that is being generated worldwide, but fully ignored by MSM and the appointed and anointed “expert scientists”.  It is extremely sad that most deaths and suffering could have been avoided by substances costing 1 dollar/euro per day. But no, “we” are only allowed remdesivir (doesn’t work, affects kidneys) a 3000 dollar, leaky vaccines that create a strong evolutionary pressure to worse and worse virusses in terms of R value, possibly in lethality. I do not have to link anything here, it is well-documented in Chris’s videos and in the shared links by active PP members. In other words, the suffering is avoidable, we have to stop looking for the solution in the wrong space, the only space that we are allowed to search by TPTB for whatever reason.

    Take care!

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 6:26am

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    Thanking God for this Community!

    Although it's repeated constantly here THANK YOU CHRIS ET AL!!! Been listening since 1/20 and chased down the research myself after listening = this family was prepared both with TP & terrain & ivermectin 🙂 I even have a great pic of cases of TP having been delivered to the house - lining the hallway - in February 2020 🙂 Actually glad to hear you begin to speak on the potential threats I have been suspecting (big pharma + corrupt govt = this insanity) making me feel a tiny bit less nuts. All your research has given me such fabulous info, I feel like you are responsible for the health and safety thus far of this family and I am so grateful!!!!

     

    Off Topic - totally understand your frustration with all the censorship, but pretty please stop the swearing. Listening with my special needs 16yo in the room and tonights video provided a few "hey Mom!!!"s. Oops was all I could reply.

     

    That said GOD BLESS YOU AND THE TEAM!!!!!!!! We need you to keep fighting - Thank You!!!!!!

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 10:05am

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    Replying to denalizen

    I visited my doctor about a month ago. He told me that ICU is basically empty at this point. Overall hospital cases have dropped dramatically.

    I am not disputing what you may be seeing in your locality but that is what he told me here in New Jersey.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 10:23am

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    Catt

    Catt, why don't you just watch the videos when you have privacy? We talk about heavy topics here. If they shouldn't hear swearing, they probably shouldn't be hearing about where our country is headed either.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 10:41am

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    Here's Why They Killed Your Grandmother

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243448

    ... Malone found this, by the way, and referenced it.  Full credit to him for doing so.  I'd missed it.

    If the hospital or physician refuses to treat you with anything other than Remdesivir (which has an EUA still outstanding despite failing said trials), dexamethasone, oxygen and a ventilator (which, you remember, Trump bought tens of thousands of for this explicit purpose under the DPA) they are immune from all legal action you may take due to their negligence, even if they KNOW there are other treatment options that, on the science, work.

    If they use those options they lose the PREP Act immunity.

    That's right: The US Federal Government demanded that in exchange for legal protection in all respects with regard to Covid-19 treatment only what they approved for said use could be used.  Anything else and poof -- the PREP Act liability shield is gone.

    HHS killed every single person denied care and treatments by direct decree as they not only pay the hospitals $30,000+ to put you on a ventilator they immunized the hospitals from legal action if and only if they refused to treat you with anything not on the FDA's "approved" list.

    ...Nothing more than money and an absolute liability shield caused what has happened and is still happening today.  There is no need for any "grand conspiracy"; the explanation is found right there in the original and official source document.

    It's really simple folks: If you let me collect $30,000 for every person I kill, and so long as I do it with my SUV (or some other specified implement), and by no other means, I cannot be prosecuted or sued, well.....

    I'm gonna get rich and a lot of people are going to get dead.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 10:51am

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    Logged in but not logged in

    Went to listen to part 2, but said I have to sign up or log in to view when I am already logged in.  So logged in again and nothing changed.  Anybody else having this same problem?

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:08am

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    Massive Mask Study in Bangladesh

    If you google Yale or Stanford mask study you will find newly released findings on masking up.Not looking to debate the topic,I think it's best for me not to link.Both felt it was compelling enough to release early.Hope it helps you.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:11am

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    I'm with Catt

    I'm with Catt. Swearing is like farting. We probably all do it, but it would be best to keep it as private as possible, and lapsing into it in public should be slightly embarrassing, as it has been throughout most of civilized history. I find both needless distractions during the discussion of serious issues.

    That being said, if Chris wants to break wind on his videos, I'll still watch, and remain grateful for the information and anal-ysis. We're all free to choose here, and I think a 16 year old can understand that excellent information can come with a slightly louche behavioral wrapping from time-to-time. I certainly can't sign up with those encouraging Chris to swear more, however. What would be accomplished by that? Still, Chris' choice to make. It's his site, and I remain grateful.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:29am

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    Whitney said:

    Hi treebeard - I think we've resolved your account issue. Please reach out via PM if it's still not working!

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:31am

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    Why Ivermectin in-hospital frequently requires a Court Order

    Thanks Jan, that sure explains a lot. You find and post a lot of amazing stuff.

    I think you should start a new thread with this Denninger post.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:32am

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    We allowed the lies.

    Back when 911 was being talked about it seemed absolutely clear that "they" were lying about what really happened. The official story is so full of holes that you would have to be an idiot to buy it, or so I thought.

    Then everyone stopped talking about it saying that it doesn't matter anymore. I was flabbergasted and angry. I warned everyone for years after that that if we allowed "them" to get away with a lie this big then what they do next from here on out is going to even worse.

    We can't let them get away with the lies anymore!

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:38am

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    denalizen said:

    The CDC et. al. does have a treatment.  It's the vaccine.  The people that are filling up the ICUs are people that have not received the vaccine.  They're not people that have been vaccinated.  If you get the vaccine, you're not likely to get sick enough to go to the hospital.  A study shows that if you get a booster the likelihood of even getting an infection goes back down to less than 5%.  But again, non-vaccinated people have filled up the ICUs.

    Where is the data that masks don't work.  We get angry with Dr. Fauci for flip-flopping on the masks, but hasn't Chris done exactly the same thing?   When was the last time that Chris recommended wearing a mask, or using a mask properly?   Why can't we prosecute Chris for changing his tune on masks?  Did you know that schools without a mask mandate have a 5x rate of spread than those that don't.  Teachers have begun dying ... again, it's those who don't wear masks ... and aren't vaccinated.

    Obese and elderly people aren't the people in the ICUs anymore.  That's Old Data.  Show me what is going on with our children in maskless schools right now.  What about comorbidities like blood type, blood sugar/insulin issues (not just diabetes), or sleep apnea (which members of my family have even with healthy body weight).  What about "healthy" people that have that condition they don't know about?  Did you know that some people think they are invincible?  Is that a disease?  Let's just go after the fatties, right?  Sorry, that was harsh.  I mean let's just sort them out for special attention, protection ... with something that might help them ... masks.

    What about those poor people that get a larger viral load, thus a much worse case, because they're not wearing a mask?  I thought Chris cared about them.

    What is happening to people that get covid, have no symptoms, and then months down the line get brain issues.   That's another thing Chris used to talk a lot about.  Now, silence.

    The vaccine works better than an early treatment.  In fact, it is an early treatment.  Hundreds of millions of people have received them since last summer's trials (those people are still being followed).  Wanna know what the largest data point out of them is?  They're not dying of covid.  No, not really that much.  The ICU nurse really wanted me to understand that.

    Where are all the people filling the ICUs because they are having vaccine complications?   You know what's nice about the vaccine?  I know what's in it.  It aint filled with junk like the coronavirus itself.  It methodology was worked on in labs for decades, tested on aminals.  It's been human tested for over a year now, and studies show you don't tend to get Any long term covid vaccine syndromes.  None.  In fact, as I said before, with a booster, you don't even tend to get covid.

    But the CDC is evil because it made something that works that upsets your sense of Up and Down?  Right?  Or is the FDA too now, since it now too approves.

    My cousin and my niece ARE "front line heroes".  What are we?  Oh yeah, keyboard warriors.  Internet Researchers.  BTW.  If you're not making new data, you're not doing research, You're Studying.  And if you don't know how to study well, been passed the torch from someone who knows, just like in any other field, you're probably making lots of mistakes you have no idea you're making.  Probably lots of "duh" moments once you realize, once someone explains things properly, that you have no idea you're making.

    Our sociopathic health organizations have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and perhaps 3 times that from the collateral damage.  They are "front line heroes".  How many people are dying because they're being discouraged from taking the vaccine?

    Seriously, you went there?  "front line heroes"?  These are the kind of people you have collected here Chris?  Jesus.  I wouldn't want to actually do something wrong with these folk, they might storm my place of work and try to hang me from a rope.

    What has been clear for 9 months is there are vaccines that work.  In warp speed they arrived.  Remember how great our sociopathic health leadership was back then?  It wasn't big pharma, it was big fat government's hand that did it, right?

    Which news sources are making the most profit out of all of them?  Have you ever noticed all the new news sources out there of that type?  Must be profitable to want to get in on that.  But I digress.

    Do you know that one sign of sociopathy is maligning good people as bad?

    So Dave.  Automatically you understood everything going on in that man's head?  Maybe he really didn't want to get into it with you.  But go ahead, boost that ego over the poor vulnerable stranger.  In fact, to his defense, I happen to have learned once that if you get near your light source you will have more light reflected back to you from objects on a plane, like a street, than if you're standing over them.  Keys aren't flat like coins.  Just a little observation that isn't about feeding your ego might enlighten you.  I'm sorry his BMW made you feel inadequate (why mention it)?

    My hands aren't tied behind my back.  I just got a Moderna booster on Monday.   Felt like I had both hands tied up behind me on Tuesday, felt fine again on Wednesday.  Hands much freer than before, thank you!

    Covid is avoidable.   So many countries have saved countless lives because they avoided it.  Chris used to say "It didn't have to be this way"  "Wear a mask"  "Keep your distance".  Look at what these countries are doing.  He was right.  ... Now he's wrong?

    Might be an ego issue again?  I mean, that whole Sweden thing, remember that?  How many times have we been at herd immunity now?   Or there's so many people that have had this that we must be close to herd immunity by now!  I have a friend that had been crunching stats for local hospitals in the Austin area.  A couple of times he made that declaration too, "we're nearing herd immunity"!  (He wears a high quality mask, was vaccinated early on, and is now leaving the Austin area for another state because he can see the difference between up and down, but I digress again).  Both times I pointed out to him what is probably happening is that people are getting smart again, masking up better, not going out as much.   Every time we get complacent, think it's past because we want it to sooo much, those numbers go up until we wake up and get back in line, not because we've become immune.

    I think what is happening is the slower part of the herd is getting eaten.

    Leaky vaccines don't matter if the boat still floats.  Leaky vaccines don't leak if you get yourself a booster shot.  Leaky vaccines sounds like a marketing slogan for remdesivir.  Remember who promoted that?

    There are so many opportunities for mutation in the trillions by trillions in replications that corona has gone through that there will be stronger variants.  The real key to stopping the variants is to stop the spread of the virus.   Vaccines that with boosters take the infection rate down to 5% will bring the R0 back down to below 1 and stop the virus.  Add some good masking on there, cut out unnecessary crowding, it'll happen at a very nice pace.   If you leave it up to innate immunity then you have a spread, maskless nose to maskless mouth, large deadly viral inoculum smatter on to epithelial cells in the nose and mouth that have no protection, no memory, no idea what is coming for them.   The suffering is avoidable.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:50am

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    Denalizen: Please say: "the AMA & CDC should allow me to take Ivermectin, your body, your choice".

    Denalizen, Please say the CDC and AMA are wrong, and that I should be able to choose Ivermectin if I wish. Then I'll read the rest of your post. Otherwise I'll just consider you a troll.

    The suppression of Ivermectin is the most evil thing I have ever seen, it is the clarifying lens that makes most of what is going on clear.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:55am

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    New Jersey has Mask Mandates

    New Jersey has Mask Mandates.   It just does.  https://www.nj.gov/governor/news/news/562021/20210806b.shtml

    New Jersey has a high rate of vaccination.  It just does.

    https://stacker.com/stories/11855/counties-highest-covid-19-vaccination-rate-new-jersey

    Congratulations on living in New Jersey.  You should be Proud.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:08pm

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    denalizen said:

    I will, if you will say "Vaccines are safe and very effective".  If not, In the interest in keeping a clearer message about what I believe has proof of saving people, I'm not going to stray from message.  I'm not going to dilute the best known thing.  Vaccines are safe and Very effective.

    Are you aware that the reason why Ivermectin isn't being promoted is because when it has been used in humans in the past it was in doses separated by 6 months?   That's how you use it as a dewormer.  I know because when the liquid version for hogs was easier to get I used to dilute it and give it to my dogs, for heartworm.   When I learned how to do that years and years ago, it was very very clear that any overdose can take you down, but quick.   Then horse paste came out cause people only own a few horses, and they don't turn them over for slaughter as much as a hog.  Is anyone that is recommending you take that informing you that the dispersion in horse paste is not monitored, nor really required ... cause it's meant to be taken all at once ... By a Horse.  Is anyone telling you to make damn sure you dilute that stuff and make damn sure it's dispersed before you get your portion.  .... Nope.  Know why??   Cause you don't know what you don't know.  The vaccine has been engineered and studied For It's Purpose for 2 decades.  And ivermectin just hasn't had any work done on it.  The papers that are submitted Are Not Making It Through The Peer Review Process.  You know, when people that are in the know come out and say "you'd better make sure you dilute and disperse that".  People have killed hogs with ivermectin, lots of em.   Won't find that in research papers.

    I am upset that there has not been more of an emphasis on treatments.   Very upset.  I think lives could have been saved that way too.  But what is going on is for some reason people are seeing balance in denigrating the vaccines in retribution.

    What is clear to me is Both sides are so weak in their denigrating each other, and we're all very much worse for it.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:11pm

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    Stanford, Yale Study Shows Wearing A Mask Significantly Drops Covid-19 Spread

    This is one of those "duh" moments.

    links:  https://www.google.com/search?&q=Yale%20or%20Stanford%20mask%20study

    Stanford, Yale Study Shows Wearing A Mask Significantly Drops Covid-19 Spread

    C'mon folks.  Say it with me!  "Duuuhhhh!"

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:16pm

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    NO WORK ON IT??? LOL troll

    Abstract

    Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, with its antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-cancer properties as a wonder drug. It is highly effective against many microorganisms including some viruses. In this comprehensive systematic review, antiviral effects of ivermectin are summarized including in vitro and in vivo studies over the past 50 years. Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1. Ivermectin plays a role in several biological mechanisms, therefore it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses. In vivo studies of animal models revealed a broad range of antiviral effects of ivermectin, however, clinical trials are necessary to appraise the potential efficacy of ivermectin in clinical setting.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32533071/

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:20pm

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    This has gotta stop

    Vaccine-injured Eric Clapton's new release.





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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:21pm

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    very nice of you to spew that much word-barf

    I have been trying not to comment on the non-member side of this website lately, but you have provided me a call to action.

    You typed so many words and said next to nothing. I won't even begin to argue you point by point, but here's what I gleaned from your post:

    Americans (only demographic I have actual access to), and most significantly all the aging boomers, are too afraid of a virus with over a 99.5% recovery rate across all age groups to see beyond their fear.

    You all speak of "we need to get this virus under control, everyone needs to get vaccinated" but I have some news for you:

    This virus, and its emerging and future variants, are not going anywhere.  Try and avoid it, you will have a very isolated and lonely life.

    90% of all humans will get this virus, you can't hide from it, you can't expect to avoid it, SARS-CoV2 is coming for you and you better be ready.

    I've had it, my wife has had it, my two young kids have had it.

    We all lived, and now I'm laughing at all of you who live in fear from this as I used to until about 10 months ago.

    I also laugh at you people who think I must get vaccinated. Nope. Never gonna happen.

    I laugh at my boomer parents who are overweight, eat like shit, are vitamin D deficient and get no exercise. They thought two doses of Pfizer is all it would take to keep them alive. Let's see how that works out for them come fall.  I hope they do well because I love them, but they chose their own path and it is to be old, unhealthy and trusting of big pharma and the government to save them.

    I laugh at my mom posting on FB daily about forcing the jab on others - so much so I had to unfriend her and dozens of others for the same reason.

    I laugh at my joke of a government for just being a joke.

    Specifically, denalizen, I am writing this reply to your post to laugh at you.

    For the fact that you wasted your time and energy to parrot what the TV and their corporate sponsors want you to parrot.  Lies, propoganda and free marketing for their graphene oxide mRNA potions. You are a dupe who relishes his corporate slavery. Enjoy it.

     

    I wish there was some intellect and critical reasoning left in my country, sad to say that I can throw 100 rocks in all directions in my neighborhood and maybe hit one person with any brain left other than the programming their phones and TVs give them.

     

    So I laugh and prepare for a world after this current bullshit. Because I have natural immunity now, and I can move on from the fear.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:29pm

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    denalizin you are right some but confused

    You are trying too hard to cut through the data and the science to understand what you don't understand won't understand.

    You are right, the vaccine is effective ( I use this word loosely )  It has been shown to keep people from severe infection and hospitalization. Yes it absolutely does this for about 6 mos - and then all hell breaks loose.    The people who spoke about the problems with the vaccine specifically outlined this.  It is not that it wont protect you at all.    Its like making a deal with the devil to be guaranteed 6 more mos, you give up living even 7 mos.    This is not a deal.  Once you understand the lack of durability , we can just begin to speak about the risk of the side-effects from the vaccine.  I personally dont even see this as a discussion and that these dont warrant for some people if the vaccine protection was forever.  But If you are virtually at life expectancy ( about 79 years now ) or older  You have zero to risk - I say take it.. (only 1:10 people live to 90) Or if you older than 70 or so and have several co-morbidities, I say take it.

    As for the mask and Chris recommendations, is simply based on what we have learned over the time.  We all have seen fauci's paper on masks from the 1918 flu.  So, there is definitely a downside to wearing masks , as there are psychological studies showing the downside as well.  Just as anything, does the reward out-way the risk?  this is a variable that is changing for all of us.  We did not officially know if this was airborne early on.  If that is the case, yes masks "reduce" dont eliminate transmission.  Reducing was thing to do early on as we did not know how this would impact our hospital loads.   We know much more - and this actually endemic now.  It is wide spread in the population and this behavior will not make the virus go away,  as it would if we were trying to contain a local outbreak.    You have zero perspective on the entire situation and lack context to your whole thought process.

    And no, the leaky vaccine does not stop transmission , please read the CDC statement on this even.  So, I am not sure where you get that science - and no the new wave and variant is not caused by the unvaxxed -  It is following our rules - as you can see in Israel.   Further when fake new tells you its only unvaxxed in the hospital - they are playing on the numbers - we know this for fact.  from their own criteria ( you are not considered vaxxed until 14 days after you got your second vax ) you can see what that will do to vax deaths.   Also, early on you remember the CDC own statement - "if you were in hospice with kidney disease and you died due to kidney disease, and you tested positive for corona virus , you were included"  these are real ways they counted.   And clearly distort the numbers and they were using 45 cycles for the pcr tests.  a banana would test positive and did.  They have manipulated the data and testing to suit their needs. In fact people who went to the hospital and were vaccinated , were not even tested for covid and would therefore not be added to infected vaccinated patients.  Doctors admissions show this to again be fact.

    I really cannot say much more here.  I do not think you can grasp much.

    The vaccines are not tested. and the testing that was done shows some horrible stuff.  Also, we know that , with corona virus , you can become reinfected often and multiple times  This virtually goes aside from the whole purpose of a vaccination - and why we have never had one for the cold before - the same goes for ADE..   it was known and shown in corona virus - Not made up no imaginary.  They jumped the cliff here , and you are following. I am sure you are vaccinated.  I wish you a good life.   Keep watching the news because that is all facts.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:47pm

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    Watch it on Odysee

    Great video, why not share it on a great platform?

    Lets encourage Odysee, a platform that doesn't deplatform: https://odysee.com/@Chris_Martenson:2/my-most-important-video-yet:f

    I for one avoid Youtube and prioritize Odysee and BitChute.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 12:50pm

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    What on earth do you mean?

    "The vaccine has been engineered and studied For It's Purpose for 2 decades"

    Huh? None of these vaccines even existed two years ago, and the approval process was extraordinarily fast compared to normal. Long-term safety data on any of these vaccines is by definition not available. A long time has not passed.

    And it can take a long time to get things right. The first attempts at a polio vaccine, for instance, resulted in giving the recipients polio. The RSV vaccine killed several vaccinated infants later exposed to the wild virus. Problems often don't show up for years with new treatments or new vaccines.

    I'm generally not against vaccines. But not all vaccines are the same in terms of safety or effectiveness. Let alone new ones. For myself, too many unknowns, too many signals of possible problems to want to rush. Sometimes wait and see is the wisest response.

    And to pretend that these vaccines have any sort of "proven" safety is just plain false. "We simply don't know" is the most generous statement that we can make about their safety.

    I am subject to a vaccine mandate at work. It violates my sense of right and wrong in almost every conceivable way. Sometimes, taking a stand is the only thing you can do. This is one of those times for me.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 1:08pm

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    this started 2 decades ago

    This all started back when Sars COV 1  outbroke ( is that a word? broke out?)

    Yes, they tried a vaccine then for sars and again for mers.  they had started gain of function studies ( fauci name all over it )  then.  patents were filed.   Yes , all this definitely is 2 decades in the making.   The mrna tech is not new.  It may new for use of vaccines.  But this has been long in the plan.   2 decades.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 1:18pm

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    Replying to New Jersey has Mask Mandates (#26)

    There are no mask mandates in effect in New Jersey at this time. Although, I had no problem with them when they were in effect. But they don't exist now and haven't existed for quite some time.

    And if people want to get vaccinated and do it with informed consent - that is fine. Of course, there has been dearth of information about the risks of the vaccinations and so there has not really been informed consent. That has been very unfortunate since people are now resisting based on word of mouth of adverse events - rather than government candor.

    But there are vaccination mandates all over the place. They include teachers, state workers, university students. As Robert Malone says vaccinating people under 40 just doesn't make sense, the risks to healthy people under 40 are just too minimal to justify the vaccine.

    Moreover, if you look at the Israeli data, high vaccination rates have no effect at all on infection. Last week their infection rate broke their weekly record for infection despite an extraordinary level of vaccination. And now most of the people being hospitalized are fully vaccinated while the Israeli death rate from Covid 19 is climbing.

    So I am not proud of proud of what is happening in New Jersey at all. I am deeply ashamed of it. There is no justification for what is happening, either scientifically or morally.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 1:48pm

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    Constitutional COVID, Antibody Testing

    Greetings to PP,

    In the 9/2/21 Youtube interview between Dr. Mobeen Syed and Dr. Darrel DeMello, at around minute mark 21:20, DeMello describes ‘two types of COVID’ cases he has seen in his practice.  The first ‘respiratory’ type affects the lungs, and the second type is ‘constitutional’ or what he calls ‘central nervous system' and gut.

    This was news to me! It had never occurred to me that I might have had COVID last year, but I was suddenly convinced that I had! I was completely taken aback - to my own severe illness that occurred during the second and third week of January 2020 - in which I was stricken first with a strange vertigo, headache, body ache, fever, and then a few days later it moved into extreme nausea and paroxysmal vomiting, diarrhea, cold sweats. The total course of illness lasted about 10 days. I thought it was a severe food poisoning or abdominal flu, but it did not affect my lungs.  We now know that COVID was circulating much earlier, and we now know that a small percentage of cases are ‘constitutional’.

    In January 2020 I had been commuting to a job near the San Jose Int’l Airport, and meeting with people who were flying in from all over the country and from Europe. In the first week of January I had attended two large parties that were also attended by travelers.  I learned from Chris Martenson about the Wuhan situation on January 23rd and made the decision on that day to cancel a major meeting and quit my job!

    I work in medical industry, and this meeting was a long-planned audit date – to give notice on a Friday and not attend that audit on Monday was a reputation killing decision. I now think it was the right decision, and I feel very grateful to Chris Martenson for his early warning as I now suspect that I could have infected a lot of other people.

    I have spent the last 19 months holed up at home gardening, sewing masks, taking a cocktail of supplements, and reading all I can about emerging COVID trends. How silly of me to not have realized sooner about my illness.

    The problem now is that I have been suffering from classic long-haul maladies, but the clinics that have popped up to treat long-haulers require new patients to have been tested positive.  I was never tested, and in April 2021 I took the J&J jab.

    Can someone advise whether there is an antibody test available that would identify whether I had been infected with COVID before I was jabbed? I understand that the test could be confounded by the vaccine, but there are a lot of people like myself who need to know!

    PS. It occurs to me that people who were previously infected but untested may be confounding the effectiveness data for vaccines.

    PPS.  I witnessed the youtube debacle, that last PP video was taken down as I was watching it and posting comments… my comments were being deleted in real time!  I am concerned that the potential loss of youtube revenue stream could be an existential threat to PP and am belatedly renewing my moral and financial support. I have renewed my subscription today.

    Cheers,
    anazuzo

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 1:50pm

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    Geedard

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    If YouCensor takes the PP channel down...will we still be able to see these video's?

    Hi Chris,

    Will we be able to still see these videos behind the paywall (that you post on YouCensor) if your YouCensor channel gets taken down?   I hope so...you post some great material out in the open, would be a shame to lose it...

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 1:52pm

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    Denalizen DON'T MISS YOUR BOOSTER

    vaccine associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD)

    "As an expanded number of coronavirus vaccines enter human clinical trials, in addition to understanding their efficacy in preventing severe SARS-CoV-2-related disease, a key outcome that will be receiving outsized scrutiny will be whether these vaccines contribute to lung immunopathology upon natural viral infection. Since the emergence of life-threatening severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) almost 20 years ago and subsequently Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) in 2012, numerous vaccines have been developed and tested in experimental animals to combat these lethal coronavirus-associated respiratory syndromes. An unexpected and concerning feature of several of these is the appearance of lung immunopathology that is seen in animals receiving certain types of vaccines. This result is especially concerning given that vaccine associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD) was seen in human vaccine trials against the ubiquitous airway pathogen respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). Although we must be mindful of potentially disappointing outcomes, a careful assessment of vaccine design, immunobiology, and clinical and experimental outcomes published thus far suggests that VAERD may not represent a major threat to ongoing vaccination efforts."

    "We known knowns and we have known unknowns" ~ Iraq War lord

    Of course we never DID find the WMDs....Don't miss your booster

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 1:55pm

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    Read my post.

    I got my booster.  Why don't you boost your study/reading skills?

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 1:56pm

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    denalizen said:

    Did you read the article I linked.  There are mask mandates in your schools.  There are mask mandates in NJ.

    Here in the US the people in Hospitals are unvaccinated.  The last I checked which was weeks ago, the Israelis threw out the old study, it was flawed, and a new study has shown that the booster brings the efficacy of the vaccine against infection to 95%.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 1:59pm

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    Replying to denalizen said: (#41)

    denalizan,

    I live in New Jersey. I know exactly what is happening here. Don't believe everything you read in the papers.

    And as far as Israel is concerned I am getting my stats right from the WHO site.

    Infections are climbing to record levels, deaths are also climbing.

    Israeli doctors are admitting that most of the infections are in vaccinated people.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 2:07pm

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    A little advice about engaging with Denalizen

    I wasted considerable time trying to engage with Denalizen with data driven arguments.  What I got back was 1) ignoring my data, 2) an increasing stream of  unbacked assertions, unquestioned media reports and eventually anger and vitriole 3) flooding multiple threads with what escalated into rage filled rants.

    I suggest a better strategy is to not engage.  Or, if you must, a simple "Thank you for your thoughts".

    No offense to you Denalizen, but you aren't adding anything to the discussion here.  As you can tell, nobody has been convinced by your arguments and there's probably been some flaring tempers behind the keyboard on the part of many of us, including, perhaps, you.  I don't think that serves you or the rest of us.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 2:10pm

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    Rumsfeld

    ""We known knowns and we have known unknowns" ~ Iraq War lord"

    No, that was Donald Rumsfeld.  But, I suppose he could be considered a war lord.  Certainly a war monger.

    https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/donald-rumsfeld-quotes

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 2:15pm

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    denalizen said:

    The technology behind the vaccine is not new, not in any sense.  It has been in the works for over 20 years.   mRNA virus delivery has been worked on, engineered, in biotech 2x as long as the Apollo program.  It's been used before, many times.   The delivery method has been used in both animals and humans, long before covid.

    What is new is the mRNA of the spike protein being delivered this way.  And you get the spike protein with the virus, along with a ton of other junk.

    There is Absolutely no SIGNIFICANT data (of p value < .05) nor even close that the spike proteins made by the vaccine are "hanging around" or doing damage elsewhere in the body.  There is lots and lots of data, Hundreds of Papers have been published proving that SARS-COV-2 is killing people and causing significant damage in those that survive it (p value < 0.0001).

    That is Real Data.  It's more than a hypothesis, It's a Fact.  In fact with that many papers we can conclude a Theory of SARS-COV-2.

    There is significant data that the vaccines are saving lives.  There is no significant (P VALUE < .05) that the vaccines are causing great harm to larger than a handful of people in a million.

    Until Significant data comes in that overturns that, lets stay within those boundaries with our "theories" and "research".    Nothing has overturned the fact that vaccines work, and that they are safe.  Nothing truly peer reviewed, according to research and competent studied scientific interpretation has knocked that down.  Nothing.

    The vaccine is saving lives.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 2:19pm

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    denalizen said:

    I must be adding something because other people that are afraid to interact here  because of folks like you denigrating them are thanking me in private.  Lots of them.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 2:19pm

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    Replying to denalizen said: (#41)

    Denzalin,

    I am going to end with a:

    "Thank you for your thoughts."

    As quercus-bilcolor suggests.

    I agree that the vaccines seem to reduce the number of serious cases for a short window of time. The evidence seems to support that. But that is about it. The safety issues appear serious but are not being seriously investigated. Not enough in my mind to justify the risk.

    "Thank you for your thoughts."

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 2:23pm

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    Real Numbers, Real Data. USE PRIMARY SOURCES

    CLAIM: The newest Israeli data on COVID-19 infections indicate a complete vaccine failure on every level. The data from Israel shows that nearly all serious cases and deaths are among the vaccinated.

    AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. The claim ignores the fact that Israel has only a fraction of the COVID-19 cases that it had in January, before vaccines were widespread. Furthermore, the majority of adults in Israel are now vaccinated with two Pfizer shots. No vaccine is perfect at preventing breakthrough cases, but the data shows vaccines are reducing the number of people who are severely ill, hospitalized or die from the virus.

    THE FACTS: Israel was one of the first countries to vaccinate a huge swath of its population against COVID-19. Health officials around the world have been watching to see how the country fares against COVID-19 variants and how effective the Pfizer vaccine works at protecting the population.

    Misleading posts on social media are now twisting data from Israel to falsely claim the country’s vaccination program is a failure due to the number of breakthrough cases of COVID-19 among the vaccinated. Medical professionals say Israel’s vaccine program is making remarkable progress against the virus.

    “The vaccination campaign was hugely effective,” Dr. William A Petri, professor of infectious diseases at the University of Virginia, said of Israel’s efforts. “It’s really extraordinary how well these vaccines work.”

    Experts say the country’s high vaccination rates are keeping case numbers down and reducing hospitalization and deaths even as the delta variant is provoking an uptick in infections. Data from Johns Hopkins University shows Israel documented 1,118 new cases on July 21 -- which is less than a tenth of the 11,934 new cases the country had at its peak on Jan. 27, before vaccines were widespread.

    “It doesn’t mean vaccines don’t work,” Dr. Robert Cyril Bollinger, Johns Hopkins University professor of infectious diseases, said about Israel’s data. “They have very low rates after vaccination versus where they were before vaccination.”

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-644288348135

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 2:25pm

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    If you are not looking for a counter argument, you're not doing real science.

    You don't have to change your mind.  But if you're not overwhelmed and confused for a little bit, you're probably not learning anything.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 2:30pm

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    Thank you for your thoughts ...

    That's exactly what Chris is complaining about in this video, people like you censoring the discussion, teaching each other how to censor each other, not listen.

    How did we get here??

    Hypocrisy

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 2:53pm

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    denalizen said:

    I didn't say the leaky vaccine stops transmission.  What you're forgetting is that the vaccine was engineered for the original SARS-COV-2, not the alpha variant, nor the delta variant.  Because of Delta's mutation it is able to bind with cell receptors at a much faster rate than previous variants, which means quicker path to reproduction.  Exponential growth at those small and electrically fast (chemical bonding) speeds means at the end you have a virus that creates 1200x more copies of itself in an amount of time than the original.   So yeah, more people are going to get it, they're going to get larger viral loads, they're going to get sicker faster.

    But those with the vaccine have a backup of antibodies ready to go.  Those infected but previously vaccinated are not getting long covid syndrome, likely because the fight starts and ends at the endothelial cells.   While someone not infected loses that line, and the fallback is to fight deeper, systemic damage begins, perhaps damage that doesn't show up until later, even if it's just under normal wear and tear, the bodies ability repair damage taken out.  Maybe stem cells missing or something.

    Add in a booster, the efficacy goes up back up to 95%, no infection.   The vaccine says "I've got your back" and it means it.

    The one data point you are tossing aside is the people that are dying are not vaccinated.  Whatever you think is killing them, whatever data manipulation you think the CDC is trying to trick us with, the people that are dying are not vaccinated.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 2:54pm

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    Denalizen stop!

    wrong platform bro!

    go away, mask up and inject as many clotshots as you want.  You have no data worth sharing.   Your fear mongering is not welcome!!

    yes, swearing is warranted at this time of our lives!

    FUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKK!

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 3:00pm

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    He is back!

    This thread is sending me into deja-vu. Wasn't there another troll a few months ago that kept changing his screen name and arguing the MSM narrative with everyone? I think that he is back!

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 3:10pm

    Ubermeister

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    Yep, Troll.

    No O2 for Trolls. This one must get paid by the pound!

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 3:16pm

    denalizen

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    Chris said this is a forum for free thinkers.

    What I finding here is an echo room full of reactive unthinking self-isolating sheep, parroting everything Chris says, supporting it, and anything contradictory being censored "thanks for your opinion".

    The last two comments have been nothing but attempts at ad hominem attacks. "There's that guy again".

    Not One Single address, discussion about what my point is here.

    From the very beginning in this thread, I've said I get the ivermectin thing, I get the HCQ thing, DWZYBIN 1 and 2, the anger at Fauci.

    But I'm being cast aside for Free Thinking that I cannot find anything that shows me conclusively, significantly (p value < .05) that the vaccine is not effective, and that it is proven to be harming people.

    No Free thought here.  Just a bunch of God Damned Hypocrisy.

    Meanwhile people are dying because the truth (new and improved with a p value < .05 !) is being obfuscated with unregulated doses of horse and pig dewormer (Which I bought some, because I'm Not close minded ... but there is no safety DATA on it ... and I'm vaccinated.  Boosted!)

    Wanna talk about DWZYBIN 2, tell people over and over again exactly how to do it safely, or direct them.

    But don't tell me the vaccine is not safe at the same time and then scold me for trying to show it is.  I'll watch/read here.  Free to express myself back.  Or Hypocrisy?  And my real concerns go unaddressed and ignored.  Worse for intellectual discussions: Indifference.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 3:25pm

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    treatments, prophylaxis, and free will

    denalizen-

    The CDC et. al. does have a treatment.  It's the vaccine.

    Vaccine isn't a treatment.  Its a prophylaxis.  Here's your first clue: If you have a breakout case in a vaccinated person, you can't give them "more vaccine" to improve their condition - although you could give them ivermectin, or one of the other 18 things for which there is evidence of efficacy.

    Where is the data that masks don't work.

    Right, so, turns out, it is on you to prove that cloth masks work.  We can't use an intervention until we have evidence of efficacy. That's what NIH says all the time about ivermectin.  "There is not enough evidence to recommend the use of Ivermectin in treating COVID19."

    So where is the Big Cloth Mask RCT?

    What is happening to people that get covid, have no symptoms, and then months down the line get brain issues.   That's another thing Chris used to talk a lot about.  Now, silence.

    Do you have data on this?  I like data.  Big fan of data.

    The vaccine works better than an early treatment.  In fact, it is an early treatment.

    No.  Vaccines are still a prophylaxis.  Again - this stuff isn't hard.  Words have meaning.  Treatment != prophylaxis.  You and your ICU nurse can do better than this.

    Where are all the people filling the ICUs because they are having vaccine complications?   You know what's nice about the vaccine?  I know what's in it.  It aint filled with junk like the coronavirus itself.  It methodology was worked on in labs for decades, tested on aminals.  It's been human tested for over a year now, and studies show you don't tend to get Any long term covid vaccine syndromes.  None.  In fact, as I said before, with a booster, you don't even tend to get covid.

    I think its super awesome that you can make your own risk/benefit calculation and decide to take the shot, give the shot to your children, along with all the follow-on boosters, while I can make that same calculation for myself, and decide not to get the shot based on my own personal risk assessment.

    Its called Free Will.  Liberals of old were all in on Free Will back in the day.  Its why I had such great admiration for them.

    Does this sentiment still exist?

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 3:26pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    This site is about data and evidence. You have taken a lot of space here for your own posts without providing any evidence to support your claims other than one link to a mainstream news source. Sources please or be gone with you.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 3:40pm

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    davefairtex

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    risk/benefit

    Oh, let me address your risk issue.

    VAERS has an under-reporting ratio of (roughly) 100:1.   (I can prove that to you if you have doubts.  Just ask.)

    There have been more than 12,000 deaths reported to VAERS over the past year associated with COVID19 vaccinations.

    This suggests that there have been 1.2 million deaths (give or take) associated with the shots.

    That's 1:133.  No doubt a bunch of the deaths are in really old fragile people.  Just like with COVID19.

    But as a result of this relatively alarming number, and as a result of the doubts that come from Pharma-controlled CDC/NIH/FDA/AMA's sociopathic "No Treatments For You" policy, and as a result of PFE/MRNA having no manufacturer liabiity, this risk/benefit doesn't work for me.  I just don't believe what these people say any longer.

    After all, these are the guys who brought us Vioxx (50k people dead) and Fentinyl (500k people dead).  I'd be stupid to trust them.

    As a result, I'll stick with quercetin/vitamin-D/melatonin/NAC, activity, 24 BMI, and the rest.

    Hope that helps.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 3:51pm

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    nordicjack

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    denialism

    Thats your name right denialism?

    whatever data manipulation you think the CDC is trying to trick us with, the people that are dying are not vaccinated.

    yes, because they are counting vaxxed people as unvaxxed.  So, the unvaxxed are dying but its not people who havent taken the shot ( again per your data manipulation tricks or not, you're right )

    Just look at the Israel data.  AND like you said you need the booster, why do you need the booster, because vaccinated are dying.  You dont need a booster if vaccinated are not dying, do you?

    Enough said.  goodbye.. and I mean that kindly along with all the other people who have made stupid statements in threads and on social media and end up dead from the vaccine or covid.  oh excuse me, I mean the coincidental heart attack.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 4:30pm

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    "Vaccines are still a prophylaxis." Yes! Yes they are!

    Please look up the word "pedantic".

    For those of you who need data on drain bamage:

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210618/Alarming-COVID-study-indicates-long-term-loss-of-gray-matter-and-other-brain-tissue.aspx

    The British have a few studies that show, not suggest, brain shrinkage.

    There is also a growing notation of post-covid social disorders, more and more people with anger and behavior issues showing up post-covid.  But you filter out that kind of news here.  Cause covid no bad ... vaccine good!!  Urrrrr!

    Here: https://www.google.com/search?q=bitish+study+shows+brain+damage

    BTW, if your kids gets the shot ... er, I mean knocked up (or knocks someone else up) you'll have to leave Texas to get that taken care of.  Cause you're not free to chose in Tejas anymore.  In fact, don't tell me about it, cause I could use the bounty money.  I want to buy a houseboat.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 4:33pm

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    Before you say "goodbye"

    Isreali data in perspective:

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-644288348135

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 4:55pm

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    fact checking

    Fact checking is done when the truth is being denied. It is like when someone says "this is not a lie", you know that you are about to hear a lie. They wouldn't have to say that if it truly wasn't a lie.

    Me thinks they doth protest too much!

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 4:57pm

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    MariaDWhite

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    MariaDWhite said:

    "What will it mean to be an American, a European or a member of Western Civilization in general after these deeply treasured beliefs become but quaint relics of the past?"

    Personal privacy: I have assumed for a long time that I have lost it long ago, at some point in the early Internet days. It doesn't cease to surprise me that so many people assume that they still have it. I suppose it's because they assume that Big Brother cares about the same things they care personally. Big Brother cares mostly about one thing: how much money they can suck out of you, and for that, they rarely need any individual data. Big Data is what Big Brother likes, and he has as much of it as Big Brother could possibly dream of.

    Free speech: Only those that get to talk in public can have something that may resemble free speech. What about all the people that don't get a say? In these days of mass media and big influencers, free speech is just about what a really small number of people may or may not say. And there is so much agreement among them, depending on which team they joined, that you can safely assume that free speech died quite a while ago.

    Bodily autonomy: In our polluted planet? Chris, you know better than that. There's plenty of poison already in our bodies that we didn't want in our bodies, but is there regardless.

    So if you ask me, it means living as we do today.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 5:04pm

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    Ision said:

    Do you suppose SARS COV 2 is causing brain damage via its Prions, which it uses to attache itself firmly to the human ACE2 receptor?  The S1/S2 spike-proteins of the virus all have a Prion Domain built into them in order to make them able to infect people.  In fact, the SARS COV 2 virus is the ONLY coronavirus to have such Prion Domains...of all of its kind.  The other 33, or so, don't have any Prion Domains.

    We know the dangers of Prions and how they cause brain wasting diseases and are eventually fatal...taking about 4 years from infection to kill.

    We also know that this virus has about five Prions in each of the spike domains...and that these are synthetic prions, which were added to the virus via Gain of Function efforts.

    If the SARS COV 2 virus normally infects people via the nose and lungs...it would explain why autopsies of those who died from diseases, like "Mad Cow," show the loss of gray matter closest to the nasal passages first....from where the damage proceeds.

    Or, do you think the SARS COV 2 is causing the brain damage via its vascular damage in the brain, as the result of ACE2 blockage and the resulting restriction of blood flow to the cells of the brain?

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 5:13pm

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    Mpup

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    No jabs for me or my wife

    At present there will be no jabs for me or my wife.  We'll keep our prophylactics, and treatments handy.  If the inventor of the mRNA technology Robert Malone has serious issues with the vaccines, that's good enough for me.  Yes there is evidence the vaccines reduce severe illness and mortality but at what cost?  They are called "experimental" for a reason.  The CDC in their cautions say ADE is a real possibility.  I respect other's choice to take the vaccines but we'll hold off until PROVEN safe and effective.  We will NOT be forced or coerced into getting the jabs.  https://vaccinefreedom.wordpress.com/2021/07/30/inventor-of-mrna-vaccine-warns-against-the-covid-shot/

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 5:17pm

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    Endymion said:

    denalizen,

    Thanks for your postings.  I agree with much of what you have said and have been particularly concerned about:

    "What I finding here is an echo room full of reactive unthinking self-isolating sheep, parroting everything Chris says, supporting it, and anything contradictory being censored "thanks for your opinion"

    I think Chris has a real problem here with an environment that is toxic to open and rational discussion.   I have let my subscription lapse out of what I have seen growing here.

    Best Regards,

    John

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 5:19pm

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    nordicjack

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    Its a lose-lose situation

    There is no good that can come from this disease. Vaxxed or not, you don't want it.  One of the things we worried early on - was not just if you survived but how much it messed you up.  I do believe that Covid messes people up.  and Vaxxing does not look proven to protect you from this in the long run.  And then the same can be said , as we dont know what the long-run is on safety of the vaccine.   We are really in a lose lose situation.  If one chooses the side to not vax, does not mean that we are comfortable saying its just a cold, even if you live.   The data is still out on this.   But if we are just talking deaths, the data looks no better with the vax than without , so in "my opinion" why mess with something else that is unknown.   and there are also plenty of known risks with that too.    The vaccine to me is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

    The scariest part of this thing , is, it is not natural. I believe, based on what we know, it was developed partially in NC and later gain of function was farmed out to wuhan to try an and protect the US players from criminal actions.

    So, I can only imagine this is not a common cold.  and only hope to use things to boost my immune system to minimize the damage caused by the virus.

    John and Denal,  This site may not be for you.   You are always welcome to debate, and use evidence to support that.  And you are welcome to state your beliefs , if you state them as such and not as fact.  We challenge science with science all the time here - it is not a fixed finite thing.   And I see nowhere one here has told anyone f off because one chose to vax or not vax.  We have both on this site - as we have people of different political persuasion as well.    But, dont try convincing someone here that they are stupid for vaxing or not vaxing with non facts. There is no right or wrong.  I am the camp that vax is the worst of the two evils.   AND actually a lot worse.  And to that end, if you look back at all Chris' information and data that he has presented from day one, he was way way way out ahead of the curve.  It almost looks like he is sitting with some sort of crystal ball.  Unfortunately, if you are analytical and dont have your head buried in your ass, it doesn't take a crystal ball to predict the future in this event.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 5:27pm

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    Why should we have both sides here?

    We get our fill of the “ other side” of the story the rest of the day through the MSM. If you listen to both the MSM and what you read here then go and compare them you see where you really fit.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 5:31pm

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    Quercus bicolor

    Admin:  Comment removed for violation of the no personal insults rule.

    Chris M: User blocked for having a really unfavorable noise to signal ratio.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 5:38pm

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    You don't get far quoting news sources that have been discredited wrt COVID/Vaccines

    The AP is part of the Trusted News Initiative   - that is Censors and Liars.

    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2020/trusted-news-initiative-vaccine-disinformation

    The partners currently within the TNI are: AP, AFP; BBC, CBC/Radio-Canada, European Broadcasting Union (EBU),Facebook, Financial Times, First Draft, Google/YouTube, The Hindu, Microsoft , Reuters, Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, Twitter, The Washington Post.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 5:42pm

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    News is not facts or opnions, its propaganda.

    I recall a professor from a university ( studies propaganda ) clearly defined what propaganda and by his definition, all the MSM is nothing but propaganda.  I will try to source that info.

    But, I can assure you if you expect the same view as the MSM here, you will definitely not find it.   Why because its not science based or based on fact of any kind.   It is nothing but $$$$$ machine with brainwashing tactics.  to support the $$$$$ machine of the powers that be.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 5:48pm

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    thuber said:

    Patiently waiting for better options. One that is actually safe and effective unlike the current offerings. Ideally one that that doesn’t need boosters, targets more of the virus, offers sterilizing immunity, ect.  Good news is there are more innovations on the way, not so bad news is we have to be patient and wait for the data to give clarity. Until I get a better read on things I’m going to error on the side of precaution. That means social distancing, common sense, wearing a quality mask and keeping a healthy lifestyle for myself and family and most importantly holding off on questionable vaccinations. I don’t expect everyone to handle this uncertainty the same way, but I’m personally taking responsibility for my own health regardless of what other people think or do in these uncertain times. I will never trust those who professes to have all the right answers or obstructs the reasonable search for truth.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 5:53pm

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    brushhog said:

    I agree, we dont need both sides here although people can come here and state their opinion and the comment stands. The same cannot be said for any mainstream site in existence. I can't go on youtube/facebook/twitter et al. and say the complete opposite of what the mainstream narrative is pushing. Most mainstream 'news' sites disabled their comments sections because nobody believed anything they reported and were openly calling out their lies.

    The fact that somebody like denalizen and a few others CAN express themselves freely here just demonstrates who is tolerant and who is not. Who is open to having discussions and who isnt. Who is searching for truth and who is dedicated to lies.

    Denalizen, I cant go to sites that reflect your world view and express myself there the way you can here. I hope, if nothing else, the significance of that sinks in somewhere.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 6:06pm

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    thuber said:

    Patiently waiting for better options.

    Amen. I don't even care if it is effective -  it could be purported to be probably effective and I would take it.

    I just want it to be safe.

    But I am not seeing that. Even worse, I am not seeing any attempt to delineate the exact parameters of the problem. If I knew it was causing problems because it was administered incorrectly - as John Campbell suggests. That could be fixed. If it was causing problems only to people with certain preexisting medical problems. I could then evaluate its safety for myself.

    But I am being told there are no problems at all with the vaccine.

    I know better. Until they start being honest, I have no choice but to refuse.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 6:10pm

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    DaveDD

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    Well well, this discussion derailed fast!

    Hmmm, sometimes it is better to shut up I guess. I’m missing some basic politeness on both sides. On the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised either if the negative sentiment is instigated by certain entities that have some issues with other views than the mainstream narrative. Could we please, please stop being impolite and stop fulminating against each other?

    I don’t say Denalizen is here to wreak  havoc to this otherwise peaceful forum. But expect to get more and more of these fruitless exchanges. As of now, PP ‘rs should be aware that they, and this forum are in the crosshairs of others. Tread carefully, be respectful, use data, investigations. Once an open discussion is not possible, do not let yourself be drawn into a fight. During my boxing “career”, picking a fight in the ring was the easiest way to defeat your opponent, they become irrational,  forget their defense and techniques, and presto! Yet another win.

    It is clear to me that some people here are not here for discussion about information and other scientific views. That is their prerogative, no need to try to convince the by SHOUTING…

    And Denalizen, the AP link you shared is fundamentally flawed: comparing case count in the winter with case count in the summer is a big no-no for seasonal viruses. The statement that the casecount under the vaccinated reflects the vaccination degree basically means that the vaccines are not effective anymore…

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 6:20pm

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    denalizen

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    The guy with all the answers answers:

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 6:48pm

    acesovereggs

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    60k social media accounts

    Doug, you are thinking about Doug.

    Don't forget 'they' have at least 60k social media troll accounts to work with.

    Personally, I don't mind a little trolling, let's you keep up with the other side a little bit.

    "this forum are in the crosshairs of others" -- surely true, always DYODD!

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:00pm

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    denalizen

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    While everyone is taking John Campbell's word for it ...

    Don't take it from the horse; take it from the horse's mouth!





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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:03pm

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    Chuck in Belize

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    And meanwhile, Back in Belize ...

    Yours truly is working his little ass off trying to bring sanity to a redeemable, worthwhile little country which is deeply in unrepayable debt, full of people beginning to wake up to realities, talking about home gardening, home schooling, ... the whole nine yards of PP ... these people (though in some ways 50 years behind and still thinking of themselves as peons in a rigged Colonialist system) ... these people are starting to awaken.

    And I'm in the trenches trying to wake them.

    There are lawsuits brewing.  There are people here who know within a few minutes everything I see on PP that relates to their local situation.  Jeez.  Wonder how THAT could happen?

    Don't worry, Chris. Nothing behind the paywall is getting shared or copied or broadcast.  I'm just doing a bit of local work here, that's all.

    Here's something I just posted to a local group.  Hopefully the PP crowd can appreciate how important a bit of grass-roots effort can be.  These are good people here and I'll do everything I can to help them.  So, here's my posting.

    My thinking is that if you lose your fear, you can win the battle.
    Because their only real weapon is fear.
    If you gain knowledge, you will have power over your life.
    Because they depend on your ignorance.
    And if you become Resolute in your stand,
    there is no power on Earth that can move you.

    These are the times that depend on your fearlessness, your knowledge and your resolution.
    Have these, and be comforted.
    You are not alone.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:07pm

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    JWhite

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    Denalizen, your comment is highly inappropriate

    I for one do not appreciate seeing another member referred to as 'an ass'.  This is unacceptable behaviour, especially following a long stream of argumentative posts where you have hijacked this thread.

    It would appear you have not been able to convince many people that the Covid shots are safe.  Time to let it go.  And time to find some manners when addressing others.

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:09pm

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    denalizen

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    Don't take it from the horse ...

    Or you might take it from a gunshot victim!!  AKA, see what a little knowledge with no guidance does with real, normal, not able to read labels, or follow instructions, much less likely to have ever read a pre-press paper, much less anything peer-reviewed,  humans? ... not horses, people ... and not horse people, but hospitals.  I mean, dilute it before you shoot it man (we need better slogans).  Things are not OK at the corral these days.

    https://www.insider.com/oklahomas-emergency-rooms-are-clogged-with-people-overdosing-on-ivermectin-2021-9

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:14pm

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    denalizen

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    I'm sorry. In my book it says ...

    Admin:  Another rude, low quality, distracting comment removed.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:21pm

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    Canuck21

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    Grassroots integrity

    I have been so heartened and refreshed by browsing the FB page of Ontario Businesses Against the Health Pass today. Just regular, ordinary, nothing-outwardly-special people waking up one by one and saying "That's it, I've had enough. And what's more, I'll support your business because you're saying that too." People saying that they care about their constitutional rights and that they respect others'. That health matters should be private. That free choice matters. That personal integrity matters. That supporting each other matters.

    It is just so cleansing after suffering through so many months of all the psychopathic, lying sh*t of TBTB.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:22pm

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    Denialzen

    Thank you for your heart-felt argument. I gave you a thumbs up for offering an alternative viewpoint, albeit one that I have heard many times from intransigent Believers.

    "If the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

    Here is my position.

    I was trained in the army, therefore if I hear a racket and the man's head in front of me explodes like a watermelon, do I need the names and addresses of everybody involved before acting? Do I need a statistical analysis of the situation? No. It's an ambush

    (Please note: That was an analogy. Do not argue that it is a real representation of the situation. Note2: Aliens don't do analogies)

    Our situation looks like that of an Alien Infiltration exercise, therefore we must react as if it was.

    Why would you accept a needle from someone who believes in population reduction?

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:25pm

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    brushhog

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    Note to self...

    ....Vaccine related brain damage not to be underestimated ;/

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:34pm

    Jenju

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    Denalizen - time for your own channel

    Denalizen - sweetie, you've got enough content here to start your own channel, website, magazine, newspaper, media conglomerate, church congregation.  Let us know when you've got it up and we'll all come over and subscribe.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:43pm

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    If you're truly not Left - Right, and only Up - Down ...

    ... this source of information will not be a factor:

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/9/3/2050134/-Ivermectin-is-NOT-a-highly-effective-treatment-COVID-19

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 7:58pm

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    Except that we have met denalizen before

    A few years ago.  He? got involved in a few threads and things went exactly like they are going now.  Lots of assertions.  Little to no data to back them up.  Lots of  strongly worded advice for people.  Gradually raising the intensity until he got into angry ad homs and insults.  It ended with him getting banned for quite a while.

    I could see us heading in the same direction as I sat on the sidelines, so I gave a warning.  Maybe I didn't do it in the best way.  But here we are.  Next time, my warnings are by PM to the others on the thread.

    You have a reputation here brother and it's not a good one.

    Edit:  I'm guessing his original account was deleted, and he created a new one with the same user name.  The current account is only 16 months old.  Or maybe all of those incendiary comments were deleted and this all happened about a year ago.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 8:29pm

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    Mysterymet

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    Dailykos is not a unbiased site

    So you think posting from the dailykos is going to convince anyone? Shit son, you might as well post Alex Jones. It is about as reliable. Can’t we all just agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinions? You will not convince anyone on here to change opinions by acting the way you are acting. You are talking AT us.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 8:34pm

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    This article on Africa vaccination says the current vaccines DO produce considerable T-Cell immunity as well?

    https://allafrica.com/stories/202109020037.html

    I wasn't looking for info on T-cell immunity, only information on how much vaccination had already occurred in Africa (it sounds like not much). I wanted to compare this to actual cases of Covid (a number which is hard to discern from 10K miles away).

    But this reference to fairly robust T-cell immunity in those vaccinated with current vaccines was a surprise.   Can anyone add more information to this?  Doesn't this contradict the other evidence that the vaccines we have are non-sterilizing and don't really prevent catching and transmitting delta?  If T-cell immunity is, in fact, given with the vaccines, why doesn't this seem to have helped those who have previously been vaccinated?  And what is special about those who have natural immunity -- they don't seem to get delta, from what I understand?

    Any additional information on this asssertion of t-cell immunity from vaccines would be appreciated.  Any general information on Covid cases in various areas of Africa would be appreciated as well.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 8:37pm

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    denalizen said:

    People aren't wearing masks anymore.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 8:38pm

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    denalizen said:

    Did you read the article, Pops? No up-down with this one. Clear left-right bias. Sad.   Next.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 8:39pm

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    The anger

    Im just sitting here listening to a person who is in pain and lashing out. That kind of frustration and vitriol goes alot deeper than the issue of vaccinations.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 9:00pm

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    Andy in the Sun said:

    @azuro

    thanks for sharing your observations because

    ... in which I was stricken first with a strange vertigo, headache, body ache, fever, and then a few days later it moved into extreme nausea and paroxysmal vomiting, diarrhea, cold sweats. The total course of illness lasted about 10 days. I thought it was a severe food poisoning or abdominal flu, but it did not affect my lungs.

    because that describes surprisingly to a good extent what I had in September/Otober last year. Certainly, due to my quick actions it was quickly over. But the fact that I had no coughing nor sneezing dazzled me.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 9:26pm

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    thuber said:

    producing T-Cell immunity seems unlikely given that declining efficacy is being observed. Perhaps the T-cell immunity was already present from a previous infection.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 9:31pm

    Mysterymet

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    Pops? Hahaha

    Daily Kos, like alex jones, is not worth reading. Post scholarly articles not media regurgitation of .gov talking points.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 9:43pm

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    Daily Kos

    Daily Floss, for a good cleaning between your ears.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 9:44pm

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    Yikes

    Pretty obvious what's going on here.

    I personally would welcome an opposing voice to keep us on our toes, but that's not what this is. I'm fairly new, but I've received nothing but respect from all members. This is the first time I'm seeing such disrespect, gaslighting, and insults to intelligence. It truly is possible to have respectful debate from both sides. I'm sorry to say I haven't seen that here. But, no doubt in my mind a respectful neigh sayer would be returned the same respect that this community has shown me.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 9:49pm

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    a summary, brain shrinkage, inflammation, and anxiety

    Ok.  Here's what I'm getting:

    You think ivermectin overdoses are "clogging emergency rooms"
    You don't think ivermectin has efficacy in treating COVID19
    You don't believe in the merits of risk/benefit analysis for vaccination; everyone needs the shots, including babies who do not appear to be at risk.
    You're ok with NIH mandating cloth masks, without any Big Cloth Mask RCT to prove efficacy.
    You are also ok with NIH NOT recommending various treatments, because there have been no Big RCTs for those treatments.  (At least not Big Enough for NIH)
    you think its pedantic for me to insist there is a substantive difference between a prophylactic and a treatment
    you reference a study on brain shrinkage post COVID infection
    Last, you notice "more and more people with anger and behavior issues showing up post-covid."

    Regarding brain shrinkage, I that that is probably true.  I'd love to see that same analysis done on people treated with McCullough's sequenced multidrug therapy vs an untreated patient group with the same underlying conditions and age.  I'd bet that less virus = less brain shrinkage.  There were hints of that in the study below: mild cases showed small changes in telomere lengths, while severe cases resulted in large changes.  COVID (and the shot; same spike protein) = "artificial aging."

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-links-severe-covid-disease-short.html

    The study, led by Maria A. Blasco and whose first authors are Raúl Sánchez and Ana Guío-Carrión, postulates that telomere shortening as a consequence of the viral infection impedes tissue regeneration and that this is why a significant number of patients suffer prolonged sequelae.

    I also agree that the inflammatory damage from infection (and from the shot too; same spike protein) can cause some severe anxiety, depression, and anger, and it can also exacerbate any pre-existing anxiety situations as well.  The severity of the effects appear to reflect the viral load in the patient.  Thus, untreated COVID is once again much worse than treated COVID in terms of the inflammatory damage done.  More viral load = more spikes = more inflammation = more anxiety.  Same true with the shot; more shots = more spikes = more inflammation = more anxiety.

    My favorite compound, niacin, might be helpful for people in both situations - post COVID, or post jab - as it helps to ameliorate the chemical cause of the anxiety, anger, and depression, which is effectively NAD+ deficiency (which then drives serotonin deficiency), caused by the inflammation.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 10:13pm

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    Hijacked thread

    I think to focus back on point and less of this bashing stuff.

    Dave, you have surmised what I have drawn from denalizen position.  It seems pretty baseless, and these are the exact people that we hope to orient in fact and not myth. It is not possible when people have an incredibly strong biased.   It does not sound they are truly interested in debating but only asserting.   And it is nice that we were offered a link to article on Daily Kos but it lacks merit.   I dont believe anyone here has ever posted a link to media sites as a matter of fact, unless it had a reference source of some bases.  you will not find references except " according to experts"  default phrase in the MSM - or a liberal biased play along site.   The reason I say liberal ( as we are not really right or left ) is because they are echoing MSM.  They are playing along in the complicity. We try not to focus on this, because every single article from those sites , including CNN, are not completely always playing along.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 10:14pm

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    Pot committed as some would say

    Denali-zen you're losing your mind over your inability to convert anyone to your orthodoxy. You've already made your choice, so if you're happy with it, and the vaccine is so protective then what do you have to fear from this kooky sect of horse paste eaters? There's an underlying desperation in you that belies serious fear. Did you see some scary data that disturbed your isolated worldview? Did the reality dawn on you that the only ones with free will left are the unvaccinated? That you can't unmake your decision? That if we're right, then you have a very limited time left? That you are now trapped in a (short) lifelong cycle of vaccination and boosters while your internal organs are obliterated by the spike proteins? That the waning efficacy and increasing death rates among the vaccinated are indicative of an ineffective vaccine with high health risks? Did some mean person with thousands of hours worth of research and data tell you you're wrong and CNN didn't give you the answer in your talking points?

    We're all really sorry you feel bad. Its okay to be scared. We're really gonna miss you here when you're gone. Just want you to know that.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 10:49pm

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    T-Cell immunity?

    The actual paper is a bit odd there are only 20 participants with 4 sets of 5 getting different doses and one of those having recovered from Covid and 2 having gotten the mRNA booster shot so difficult to compare with the stnd 1 shot J&J vaccination. There is maybe 100x difference amongst the results from different participants and they average the results.  Maybe someone can spend a bit more time looking over the study, but to me it leaves a lot of questions, though maybe but I wouldn't bet my life on it?

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:01pm

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    Private?

    That health matters should be private.

    I'd accept that position in regard to diseases or disorders that are not contagious.

    But someone's behaviour in regard to a disease that is contagious and sometimes deadly is a community concern,  not just a private matter.

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:26pm

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    Health history should be private

    private EVEN if the disease is contagious otherwise let’s get right down to it and start marking people with AIDS/HIV, Hepatitis, etc... how many people have those 2 killed over the years? How about a big scarlet A or H to pin to their clothes? See how ridiculous it sounds when you fill in other diseases. This can slip into tyranny very quickly.

     

     

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  • Fri, Sep 03, 2021 - 11:31pm

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    I know what I know (and don't)

    Many of the challenges of this CV situation center around data.  Which sources for the most current, accurate data?  I'm not a doctor but now spend a LOT of time listening to them. How much can I actually understand with my high school education?  What are our biases doing just now?  Is this here info or mis-info, or a confusing mix?  Is it actionable?  It's a lot of mental grappling!  And there is always more.  Thanks be for the ones who are qualified to read the studies and can communicate well about them, and do so despite personal and professional costs.  My deep respect and gratitude.

    The other challenge is inward.  Can I stay with what I know in the face of almost seamless mis-and-dis-information so passionately delivered?  Listening to CBC (the long-venerated Canadian National Radio) the other morning while they did a little snippet about "horse medicine", I hit shock and despair over the misleading, incorrect content.  We grew up respecting the CBC as a good, balanced source.  Nope.  Not since news of the Wu-Flu arrived.

    Later I realized that thanks to many incredible online sources and my own perseverance I actually know more than the CBC about Ivermectin.  I could school that crew for hours with fascinating history, amazing results around the world both before and after CV, and with references to incredibly intelligent, qualified people who treat and heal CV cases all the time.

    No need to defer to those who have not learned what I have.

    And then there is knowing what I don't know, also fun.  A big one in that department is what will happen to the jabbed, with their novel altered immune systems, later on.  Another is what will happen to my un-jabbed life, job and finances.

    For now, I do know:

    - These "vaccines" have not been proven safe in human trials.

    - Actually, they have killed at least tens of thousands and inflicted horrifying injuries on yet more people.  Blood clots in the brain?  Heart failure?  Paralysis?  Constant seizing?  Sounds like a great intervention!  Maybe next year....

    - Ivermectin has been proven incredibly effective and safe in treating CV infections.

    - Medical professionals around the world are using it and many other treatments to cure CV - not every case, but so many more than those who do not.

    - This knowledge is being heavily censored by "health authorities".

    - They would rather strip me of even the right to make a living than provide us with  proven CV treatments.

    That will do, for starters.  How much more do I need to know?

    Susan

    Sources:

    Since BC, Canada is about to institute jab-passports, I've been watching this:

    https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/

    Lots of Delta V cases, very slight increase in hospitalizations and deaths 6 weeks later.

    FLCCC for Ivermectin in brief

    Random amazing medical professional

    Ditto

     

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 12:07am

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    contagious & sometimes deadly

    Yoxa-

    The definition: "contagious, and sometimes deadly" fits influenza perfectly.  Should the same rules be applied to influenza?  RSV?  How about the bacterial infections?

    There's two choices here:

    1) Mandated vaccinations for every respiratory disease under the sun, with strict enforcement by government & business - I call this the "Third Reich" approach.

    2) educate people - encourage them to stay home when they have symptoms.  To a 95% degree - at least for COVID - only symptomatic people spread the infection.  I call this the "Western Democratic" approach.

    Who benefits most from the Third Reich Approach?

    Vaccine stakeholders.  They stand to make 100 billion.  Per year.  If we adopt Third Reich policies.

    Me - I prefer educating people.  The Democratic approach.  No Third Reich for Me.  But the Stakeholders won't be happy.  Profits will plunge.  We can't have that.

     

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 12:56am

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    Turning moderates/conservatives into rabid liberals- Vaccinate them

    It is amazing to me that normally conservative  people can be morphed into unreasonable, petulant, abusive a-holes all over a jab. The pros relentlessly badger the cons using emotional rhetoric to assert themselves. This argument is laden with "concern for others" and the "need to be responsible." Often these people are the very ones who flaunt the rules- much like N Pig-lo maskless political rally and OBO's BD bash.

    I will relay three stories I know personally through friends and family.

    Unvaccinated wife of vac. husband and vac. kids catches CV from one of the kids. She unwisely listens to them and decides to avoid IVM except for a 1/2 dose initially.  (BTW she felt better in 12 hours.) Winds up in hospital w Remdesivir and MCA infusion. Has returned home and seems slowly to be getting better. Listened to them and refused life saving treatment.

    This person's story becomes the rallying cry of the vac. group,"See if she was vac. wouldn't have gone to the hospital! You need to get vac! I don't understand what possible reason you'd have not to get it! " (Forgetting the numerous scientific articles and interviews with Dr. Malone, Dr. Yeadon, etc. I sent you)

    Three of said vacs. have done interesting actions.

    One who is quite elderly goes out and meets with friends at least twice a week. in restaurants, etc.  No Zn, no vit. C, no nothing...refuses IVM prevention.

    Another takes a trip with friends on a plane, and chooses to quarantine 10 days when  gets home to "not possible expose anyone."  Asymptomatic; no known exposure. Two days into quarantine goes to volunteer job at homeless shelter. No Zn, no vit. C, etc.

    The third is in all vac. household.  Husband tests pos., has fever, cough, runny nose. Spouse tests negative so far. Given steroids by MD and antibiotic. They've decided to attend the college football game as they have season tickets. When reminded symptomatic people need to isolate, states,"It'll be fine." Starting on some vitamins now, but refuses IVM.

    So it would seem not only are the politicians hypocrites but the average vacs as well. They believe they all have a hall pass on common sense and normal disease control measures because," I'm vaccinated!!"

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 1:18am

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    LOL you guys gotta see this

    Gunshot Victims Left Waiting as Horse Dewormer Overdoses Overwhelm Oklahoma Hospitals, Doctor Says

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 2:03am

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    re OK overdoses on horse meds

    Well, people are dumb. and probably cant do the math to dose this.  But even with this having an upset stomach is not a deal breaker.  So dont use this because it sends people to the ER?  but some how all the Vaccination adverse events are not causing gun shot victims to get treatment. You see the problem here right away.

    But to that end , if horse meds are not to be used on humans, then start prescribing " with simple dosing for idiots"  for humans.    If you don't this is what will happen.  AND a stomach ache and visit t the ER is not any different than consequences of not taking the meds.   The risk of adverse event does not outweigh the risk of the benefit. oh wait that only applies to the vaccine.. what the F*&( was I thinking.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 2:09am

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    List Of Shame

    List of companies requiring the vaccine.

    https://fortune.com/2021/08/23/companies-requiring-vaccines-workers-vaccination-mandatory/amp/

     

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 4:43am

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    Dave

    All these observations are true because the spike Is the disease.

    Whether one get the spike from the virus, (Assuming such a beast exists), or from the clot-shot which programs the bodies cells to produce the spike is moot.

    Consider how the "China dun it" fear porn narrative might have been promulgated in order to "nudge" everyone to get the clot-shot, and become sterile.

    All they would have needed to do was mix a florin cleavage sequence and an Aids sequence and what-ever else they came up with into the sample. Then when the sequences were analysed, lo, wow! such a lethal "virus"! In fact we were seeing contamination.

    Scary! Got to volunteer to become an evolutionary dead-end.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 5:22am

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    AIDS and hepatitis…

    Funny you bring those two up.

    Last time I was at the doctors office, aside from being asked when I would be jabbed, I was asked to take an HIV and a hepatitis test.

    I asked if my behavior in life warranted such a clinical ask, and was told everyone is now being asked to take both of these tests as a standard procedure.

    What? Because they care, right?

    I sense something else may be going on with these tests.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 5:47am

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    Treat the disease; Dr. Campbell

    Dr. Campbell mentions anti-virals in the video here, but dismisses them for lack of use.

    The obvious response to his statistics comparing illness with and without the vaccines is:

    WHEN you get the disease, treat it quickly and get rid of it, likely in a day or two, before it gets serious enough to do any of this damage.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 6:51am

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    Danielmarie, religious exemptions.

    I'm betting that these religious exemptions will only apply to the Abrahamists.

    It is a foundational precept of our ancient Freyan religion that Freedom is our highest Value. Obviously, Forcing us to take this clot-shot would go against everything that we hold to be Sacred.

    Freya, our intermediary between us and the ineffable Wr-alda, has instructed us to teach this to our children morning, noon and night until they dream of it in their sleep.

    Our religion is still alive as can be seen throughout the Saxon world. For instance, my Mother, a nominal Catholic, used to drum into my head, "If everybody is sticking their head in the fire, are you going to stick your head in the fire too?"

    An obvious appeal to my freedom and autonomy; and she had never heard of Freya. But She was in my mother's blood and hence in mine.

    Ref: Our Oera Linda.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 8:27am

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    A new strategy for getting through to the New Normal Covidian cultists

    https://consentfactory.org/2021/09/02/the-covidian-cult-part-iii/

    ….So we need to adopt a different strategy. We need to make the monster show itself, not to those of us who can already see it, but to the New Normal masses, the Covidian cultists. We need to make Jim Jones drop the peace-and-love crap, move into the jungle, and break out the Kool-Aid. We need to make Charles Manson put down his guitar, cancel orgy-time, and go homicidal hippie. This is how you take down a cult from within. You do not try to thwart its progress; you push it toward its logical conclusion. You make it manifest its full expression, because that it when it implodes, and dies. You do not do that by being polite, conciliatory, or avoiding conflict. You do that by generating as much internal conflict within the cult as you can.

    In other words, we need to make GloboCap (and its minions) go openly totalitarian … because it can’t. If it could, it would have done so already. Global capitalism cannot function that way. Going openly totalitarian will cause it to implode … no, not global capitalism itself, but this totalitarian version of it. In fact, this is starting to happen already. It needs the simulation of “reality,” and “democracy,” and “normality,” to keep the masses docile. So we need to attack that simulation. We need to hammer on it until it cracks, and the monster hiding within in appears.

    That is the weakness of the system … the New Normal totalitarianism will not work if the masses perceive it as totalitarianism, as a political/ideological program, rather than as “a response to a deadly pandemic.” So we need to make it visible as totalitarianism. We need to force the New Normals to see it as what it is. I do not mean that we need to explain it to them. They are beyond the reach of explanations. I mean that we need to make them see it, feel it, tangibly, inescapably, until they recognize what they are collaborating with.

    Stop arguing with them on their terms, and instead directly attack their “reality.” When they start jabbering about the virus, the variants, the “vaccines,” and all the other Covid cult-speak, do not get sucked into their narrative. Do not respond as if they were rational. Respond as if they were talking about “Xenu,” “body thetans,” “Helter Skelter,” or any other cultoid nonsense, because that it is exactly what it is. Same goes for their rules and restrictions, the “face coverings,” the “social distancing,” and so on. Stop arguing against them on the grounds that they don’t work. Of course they don’t work, but that is not the point (and arguing that way sucks you into their “reality”). Oppose them because of what they are, a collection of bizarre compliance rituals performed to cement allegiance to the cult and create a general atmosphere of “deadly pandemic.”

    There are many ways to go about doing this, i.e., generating internal conflict. I have been doing it my way, others are doing it theirs. If you’re one of them, thank you. If you’re not, start. Do it however and wherever you can. Make the New Normals face the monster, the monster they are feeding … the monster they have become.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 8:59am

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    Another new strategy for getting through to the New Normal Covidian cultists

    I've been considering a different way of thinking about those who have taken that jab. In some sense, they are like our military (stay with me here). They have been pressed into service in yet another unwinnable war. Like a war against terror, or drugs, or communism, it's another phony war that is being used to serve agendas of those in power. Some people did this out of conformity, some people did this out of economic necessity, but some actually did believe they were doing the right thing to protect their community. And like our soldiers in every war the US has been involved  in the last 50 years, they are very quickly realizing the government has lied to them and things are not what they seemed. Our disgrace in Afghanistan only highlights that the people pushing the vax are are the same ones who left are own people and allies hanging out to dry.  I think the people who had genuinely good intentions about getting the shot, and are now feeling betrayed by its failure and moving goalposts, represent the cohort we have the best chance of breaking through to. At the same time, everyone who gets it, I believe, deep down knows its dangerous. Even if they won't consciously admit it. Therefore, the approach I have been taking is "oppose the war, but respect the warrior." When a woman recently told me she (masked and jabbed) was afraid of me (masked and unjabbed), I responded by saying: "Thank you for getting the shot. You did what you thought was right, you risked your life by taking a potentially dangerous drug. You are braver than I am. I wish it worked as well as they said it did." And I meant it. I had to honor her as a human who made a decision she thought was right, not just a dupe. I could see her synapses struggling as there is no pre-programmed response to this. She ended with, "well, we have to trust the scientists," but I could see she didn't have much conviction. Anyway, I encourage others to try this approach and see what happens.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 9:31am

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    pgp said:

    ... yeah freedom and rights like justice and integrity have always been illusions.  More so since humanitarianism was invented and the term populism coined.  People only seem to wake up and complain when their toes finally get stepped on.

     

    A solution would require structural upheaval. An uprising of awareness and wisdom leading to honest audited government and accountable businesses.  That wont happen in a world filled with uneducated gullable fools whose right to vote is earned by blowing out the candles on their eighteenth birthday cake.

     

    Maybe it's time to think a bit more deeply about political structure not just the minutia of endless singular injustices

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 9:46am

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    African Article on T-Cell Immunity is an Excellent Example of Propaganda.

    You can forget this article, as it deliberately attempts to confuse the reader by pretending other coronavirus are the same as SARS COV 2, they are not.

    When this article talks about T-Cell immunity, induced from "cell," vaccines, for the SARS virus, and how these T-Cells hang around for 11 years... they are attempting to make you think this is the same case with SARS COV 2.  It is not.

    First, the mRNA serums do not result in the forced cellular creation of a perfect reproduction of the actual SARS COV 2 spike-protein.  The structure of the actual spike-protein, when compared to the serum induced spike-protein, only match each other fairly well in their PRION DOMAIN, located at the top of each spike.   As for all the rest, there is no match.   So, even though the serum spikes may goose the immune system to create antibodies targeted upon them, these antibodies will not be fully targeted upon native spikes to the same degree.

    Second, if you desire long term antibodies, you need to produced B-Cells...not T-Cells.

    The notion that one needs only a part of the immune system to work...and not all of it working together... is not a good one.

    If you continue to goose the immune system to create only T-Cells... you will NEVER have a long term effect... you will need to continually flood the body with new synthetic T-Cells which are constantly modified to target whatever mutation at hand...  and the body never achieves an normal immune memory for ANY version of a targeted pathogen.   If the cells are constantly being killed off... as they are infected by the constant influx of different mRNA serums, and those infected cells are not all killed of quickly (and some are not) they shall continue to create synthetic spikes for a long time (5 months has been seen).  Imagine your blood being flooded with various serum spikes, meant to target variations of a pathogen, at all times...even after their limited effectiveness is completely gone.  Each synthetic serum spike with its Prion Domain.  Each just flowing about your body seeking the first ACE2 receptor it happens to come into contact with, then firmly bonding to it, causing the chemical balance of that unfortunate cell to be disrupted and to enlarge, as the "up-side down" Xmas tree of the serum spike sticks out from the host cell's surface...to hinder smooth flow of the blood..and attract platelets, further blocking flow.

    The goal of any vaccine is to create a complete immune response, not partial, and create the immune memory, which is so important.    It is only because of the memory cells any long term immunity exists.  It is why the antibodies, created in response to a pathogen are allowed to die off, once that target is handled.   If this did not happen, your blood circulation would fail, by it being clogged up, and you would die.

    Showing how DIFFERENT virus, with a DIFFERENT vaccine, produce wonderful T-Cell response...IS UTTERLY MEANINGLESS TO SARS COV 2.

    However, if you vaccine is an ACTUAL vaccine, using attenuated virus particles, it will cause the immune system to react with its entire capability, including the development of memory cells and antibodies with a much broader targeting system.

    The mRNA serums do not do this, are not safe and effective, and...in fact...are dangerous----just for their PRIONS.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 9:58am

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    (I could see her synapses struggling as there is no pre-programmed response to this. She ended with, "well, we have to trust the scientists,")

    This!  If I mention anything against the narrative, I'm met with a blank stare then the person starts repeating whatever CNN said like a parrot. If there's a person next to them, they do the same thing, it's weirdly twilight zone.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 10:39am

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    What Tasty Popcorn

    I'm just here for the Donald Rumsfeld and Chalmers Johnson quotes.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 10:56am

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 11:12am

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    thuber said:

    CoronaVac uses an inactivated virus, I wonder if this vaccine gives a complete immune response. Because the current thought process in the US, seems to be fixated on antibodies.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 11:17am

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    Where have almost lost everything ( 2/3 finsihed )

    We have seen Australia and UK fall in the last couple weeks.   Both are now out-right forcing the children to be vaccinated.   Yes forced, yes children.

    Think about this, children are not dying from this disease ( except from vax which they claim is disease  ) The vaccine does not stop transmission,  Why are we vaccinated children?  This is not science - it can only be a depopulation agenda.  There is no way leaders from both countries can be this stupid - it is not possible, while we watch all the politicians run away with all the cash.

    And do you think its coming to the US?  oh we have guns? really? well will you use them to protect your children if this comes to pass?

    And just to state how bad it is,  there is a 17 year old girl in australia with a pulmonary embolism - 3 days post vax which they have convinced is caused by the covid she now is diagnosed with and has made a plead for kids to hurry and get their vaxxes.  She is the daughter of a politician in Australia.  FB has not removed the post.

    [added] - I know many of my recent posts seem to be of the same flavor - maybe too much doom and gloom.   But, the hammer is down. it is clear - things are moving faster and faster.  Don't let it get away from us.  We can end this war tomorrow.  All people have to do is close their social media accounts, turn off the news, and say: "We Do Not Consent."

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 11:35am

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    thc0655

    I thought masks were recommended by CM? As to the point you are making, you can assume everybody has their beliefs and opinions based on an information set they are exposed to. Suggesting that people who are wearing masks are insane and like cult members is disrespectful. If you want respect for your choices and opinions you have to be respectful in return.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 11:41am

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    Our disgrace in Afghanistan only highlights that the people pushing the vax are are the same ones who left are own people and allies hanging out to dry.

    My health agency, devoted to saving lives is staffed by the type of people who would abandon their fellow citizens in foreign countries?

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 12:32pm

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    Oklahoma and gunshots

    Come on.  Just how many gunshot victims are there in Oklahoma in a given day?  Probably zero.  And just how many people actually overdosed on horse paste?

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 12:34pm

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    Likewise!

    We have been following PP for quite some time. The weekend-long virtual gathering last year showed us we had truly found our tribe, even though we are all so geographically dispersed. At this point Chris's video updates feel like a lifeline - they are the highlight of our weeks.  It's tough and lonely out here, where we are bombarded with lies and surrounded by socially sanctioned insanity. Thank you a million times, Chris, for your tireless efforts to present the truth and shine a light in the darkness. We need and appreciate you more than words can convey!

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 12:46pm

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    Masks

    I propose that cloth masks and to some degree surgical masks are virtue signals for asymptomatic people as they offer little to no protection.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 12:51pm

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    Australia is the Poster Child of the New Reality

    Excellent find thc0655, well worth the read. I guess Australia is the "New Normal" for the covidian cult. From what I have been watching they are sure doing a good job of exposing the Global Capital Totalitarianism. Hopefully this is all it will take.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 12:52pm

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    thuber said:

    The way I think about masks is as a distance amplifier. It basically multiplies the distance between people by some factor based the mask quality. This creates an effective distance which is larger the the actual distance.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 1:08pm

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    CoronaVac....

    Any normal vaccine, which actually IS a vaccine and not an mRNA serum, will do a far better job in causing the immune system to fully react in the body's defense.

    It all matters on what the body is presented with, in regards to the deactivated virus particles in the vaccine.    Including only a small portion of a virus, may be safer to use in a vaccine, but the smaller genetic sample you are providing the immune system to target.   Larger genetic targets protect better, than small targets..if the virus mutates.

    Normally, a whole attenuated viral target in a vaccine will protect against the mutations of a targeted pathogen to a great degree, far greater than the normally expected natural mutation a virus is subject.    This is because normal mutations are quite small...and the vaccine will not care about it...as its target signature is so large, the changes in the virus must be extensive, for the vaccine generated lymphocytes to no longer "see" it.

    However, viral bio-weapons understand this and are deliberately designed to alter their genetic signatures enough to "fool" immune targeting antibodies.   This is achieved only via long-chain nucleotide modifications, where they "scramble" their codes on a clocked basis.

    In fact, all you need to kill a person is a virus, which changes its signature in time with the bodies ability to manufacture lymphocytes in it bone marrow.   The body thinks it is being invaded by several pathogens...not just one...and exhausts its resources attempting to create antibodies for unending new virual attacks.  Death results from the collapse of the exhausted immune system.

    Gee...sound like HIV, eh?   Oh, wait...SARS COV 2 is riddled with HIV sequences!

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 1:26pm

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    masks, and the Big RCT

    I thought masks were recommended by CM?

    Chris recently updated his guidance.  He said that the cloth masks are ... I forget his exact words.  Theatrical?  Cosmetic?  Useless.

    His recommendation is to use a real mask, like an N95.  That's as best I can remember.

    Cloth masks are - plain and simple - compliance instruments, put in place to nudge people into to taking the shot.

    And I will point out - again - that the NIH has yet to run a Big RCT on cloth masks to prove efficacy.  One would think that a science (tm) driven organization like NIH would spend the time & money to prove once and for all just how effective masks really are - by conducting a Big (Gold Standard) RCT.

    My sense: "The NIH does not have enough evidence to recommend cloth masks for the prevention of COVID19."

    No RCT, no recommendation.  Actual science.  Vs "The Science!!"

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 1:59pm

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    The fall of freedom in Australia in 16 memes

    https://wilderwealthywise.com/the-fall-of-freedom-in-australia-in-16-memes/

     

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 2:04pm

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    Asymptomatic Covid - does it protect agains future infection?

    Chris, I did some research to find out if asymptomatic Covid infections will protect against future infections, but didn't find anything useful. I found a study about kids, but nothing recent about the rest of us. I would also like to know what the percentage of our population are suspected of having already been infected, even though most people weren't tested, and how one can get an antibody test to find out if they're protected or not. Information like that might help people on the fence decide if they want a vaccine or not.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 2:14pm

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    Jonni said:

    Just an anecdotal comment on N95 masks. I recently rode on six planes to visit my father on the coast, and sat for hours in four different airports. I wore an N95 mask (and took ivermectin, Vitamin D, etc. before starting out). Thousands of people walked by me in the airports, but I saw perhaps three other people who were wearing N95 masks. One airline employee wore a cloth mask but pulled it down to his chin whenever he needed to talk to someone. The coughing and sniffling guy who sat down next to me in the Chicago airport was also wearing his cloth mask around his chin. If someone really wanted to get Covid, a nice long ride on an airplane should do the trick.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 2:34pm

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    Ision said:

    If one is not suffering from any symptoms of the infection...the chances are very good...they are not infected  at all.  If one only thinks they are infected..because of a PCR TEST...and they NEVER exhibit the normal symptoms caused by the BODY'S NORMAL IMMUNE RESPONSE....they most likely were never infected at all.

    If the body never shows signs of its immune system going to work...the immune system was not working.   If it does not work, it does not create immunity.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 2:43pm

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    Ision said:

    But, you had your safety mask on, so why be concerned with those who do not?  After all, you are dosed with Ivermectin and are taking the proper supplements.

    Any virus not clumped in some droplet..and free floating..would easily penetrate even a M95 mask, anyway.   The smallest pore of that mask is like the Holland Tunnel to a compact car...to the virus.   You are better protected by your Ivermectin dose.

    Try to stop being afraid.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 3:09pm

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    Question for Ision..

    You seem particularly energized in your commentary of late... can I take this to mean that you think we in the US have a chance of NOT becoming Australia?  Am I being too hopeful?  Thanks, Jim

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 3:14pm

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    Prescribed IVM

    How long do you guys think it will be before the powers that be BAN pharmacies from filling ivm prescriptions?

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 4:38pm

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    I want to add my voice to this comment.  Chris, you kept my family safe through some dangerous early days and kept us educated through a lot of noise.  I still trust your opinion and commentary.

    That said, betrayal is the most difficult (in my experience) transgression to look past.  You've been betrayed by the health authorities and the media authorities.  You seem self-examining enough that this shouldn't push you out of a rational space... but I also seem to sense the possibility of the same shift in approach that denalizen talks about.

    Can you maybe quickly address, in some form, how despite the BS aimed directly at you, that, even so, the emotional impact of that hasn't changed your mission.  I hope that's not insulting at all, it isn't meant to be, but you're under a lot of pressure.  More than I could take without it affecting my thought process and decision making...

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 5:49pm

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    hulagirl13 said:

    Glad to have it crash for a good reason. I'm happy to be a member now. Go Chris!

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 7:07pm

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    mask

    thuber - The distancing thing is even a bigger joke than masks. It has been proven over and over that the 6' was when they were selling the virus rides around on moisture from our mouths and nose supposedly which drop to the ground at 6' . ALthough that is not completely wrong it only is true for a tiny fraction of viruses suspended in the air and high virus loads are measured at 20' and beyond.

    Masks feed the lie that there are a couple "bad bugs" floating around and you can keep it from going into you by putting something over your mouth. Total misunderstanding of the truth but impossible to for most people to understand that.

    The very best mitigation is healthy bodies, after that is large air flow of fresh air, which masks and clear plastic walls obstruct making things worse.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 7:23pm

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    brushhog said:

    I thought masks were recommended by CM?

     

    It should also be pointed out that not everyone here agrees with every word that comes out of Chris's mouth. We're not Branch Covidians who unquestioningly take our marching orders and then go out and mimic what we just were told as though its gospel.

    I respect Chris' opinion, I take it under advisement, but at the end of the day I make up my own mind and have my own opinions. They dont all necessarily match with Chris or anyone else.

    At the core, that might be the difference between us and the Branch Covidian cultists. When I read or listen to somebody like CM. I understand that he doesnt KNOW, with 100% certainty. He is following data and giving his commentary. You're not supposed to interpret that as unassailable fact. You're supposed to consider it. Now when Fauci or some other mainstream expert says something, he also doesnt KNOW with complete certainty but the people listening interpret that as absolute truth, and to question it is blasphemy. The criminal part is, these mainstream "experts" know they are being interpreted as gospel and they allow and encourage it! THAT is the really despicable thing here.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 7:28pm

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    ision you are wrong!

    Chances the vast majority of the population have taken in the virus. If their immune system is top notch you will not manifest symptoms but your innate immune system will remember that encounter and react with any future encounters with that virus.

    Knowledge will help you to become immune to all the Bu!! $#it.

    If after that, in the future, your immune system, your physiology is compromised it is still possible for you become "infected" but chances are your symptoms will be mild depending on how compromised you become, i.e co-morbid.

    You do not have to have symptoms to gain natural immunity, certainly not pronounced symptoms. Many of us could have just had a mild headache and thought nothing of it and now have natural immunity.

    Again this is not breaking news or rocket surgery. This is well understood science wrt corona viruses.

    If you get the flu every year it is not because you don't have a degree of natural immunity but most likely because you have a weakened, compromised immune system. Most likely due to vitamin deficiency particularly vitD.

    Natural immunity alone will not keep you healthy. Vax induced immunity will definitely not keep you healthy. Being somewhat healthy will keep you healthy. The pharmaceutical industry allows you to remain unhealthy but maybe not die so that you can keep being unhealthy and buying their products.

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  • Sat, Sep 04, 2021 - 9:48pm

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    Vax Neutralising Treatment- Flush Niacin or Ivermectin?

    Appreciate any advice from PP'ers re Vax neutralising treatments. Have read potentially flush niacin (nicotinic acid) and melatonin and then also read about Ivermectin day before, day of and day after vax.  Has anyone had any experience practicing this?

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 4:17am

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    Africa map.

    I would like a link to pdf showing African countries with/without ivermectin shown in the end of the presentation. The link is not included above.

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 5:48am

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    Shad Kelly said:

    Thank you Chris. You have provided me with ammunition against my wife's vaxhappy friend claiming "finally some good science" wrt the Israeli study that you showed didn't count death, mortality or menstrual effects. You have already increased my critical analysis capacity of the science on the first night I subscribed. Love love love to see your unbridled perspective off of YT.

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 5:56am

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    Dr Robert Malone video - EPOCH TV - concurs with Chris

    IVM good...official noises don't add up...NIH et al conflicted...

    Seems clear enough...what we all know already... great video...wonder how long it will stay up before TPTB take it down 🙁   🙂   🙁

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/part-2-dr-robert-malone-on-ivermectin-escape-mutants-and-the-faulty-logic-of-vaccine-mandates_3981859.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-09-05&est=2h%2BDgo0YDBzhA7EqmJEBImDMUTGfr%2FjCeyQn0LI85nEpqc2T1bjvb%2FPRrP0vYg%3D%3D

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 8:18am

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    PolyFace Farm tour.. super spread event ?

    I was at the PolyFace farm tour.  It was great to be with the PeakProsperity tribe for the farm tour and socialization.  (What was the count of participants ?)

    I am from NY and it was a breath of fresh air to attend and NOT wear a mask, to see people’s faces is critically important in effective communication.  Back in college, we were taught that verbal communication is only a fraction of communication.

    Nonverbal Communication: How Body Language & Nonverbal Cues Are Key

    I think that not being able to properly communicate with facial expressions is one of the “rat in a cage” stressors in our society.   And since the peakprosperity tribe was in close proximity, and no masks, I am curious if any participants contracted the flue during that weekend ?   If not.  Why not ?

    If anyone has the opportunity to visit PolyFace it’s well worth your time !

    Robert

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 9:37am

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    Potential treatments to counter vaxx damage

    @Aus
    Appreciate any advice from PP'ers re Vax neutralising treatments. Have read potentially flush niacin (nicotinic acid) and melatonin and then also read about Ivermectin day before, day of and day after vax. Has anyone had any experience practicing this?

    Well first note that no matter how much it may sound like a powerful bioweapon, nothing can override the power of the human mind and immune system. As Laura Eisenhower said, once we are awake, antennas could be growing out of our foreheads and they still wouldn't be able to control us. And keep in mind that some of the very worst adverse effects may be due to mistakenly/incompetently doing intravenous injections instead of intramuscular ones. As Dr. Mercola said, "While all of this is highly problematic, there is help." Although less than for the virus itself, there are several already known remedies to the maladies that might develop post-"vaccination".

    The potential treatments can be categorized into Spike-ACE2 binding inhibitors, garbage disposal enhancers, immune system enhancers (e.g. endogenous antiviral response enhancers, latent virus inhibitors), protection against potential protein misfolding (e.g. heat shock protein activators), blood clotting reducers, Spike protein oxidative denaturers, antioxidants, antiinflammatories, among other types:

    Spike-ACE2 binding inhibitors:

    • Dandelion (Taraxacum officinale) leaf extract blocks spike proteins from binding to the ACE2 cell surface receptor (effective against spike protein D614 and a host of mutant strains, including D614G, N501Y, K417N and E484K)
    • Hesperidin "can block coronavirus from entering host cells through ACE2 receptors", strong flavonoid antioxidant found in citrus fruits, peppermint, and supplements
    • Curcumin: Modeling studies have shown that curcumin inhibits this virus-receptor interaction in multiple ways, including inhibition of both the spike protein and the ACE2 receptor; also strong antioxidant (but short half-life and must be taken with fatty meal)
    • Glycyrrhizin from licorice root also blocks spike proteins from binding to ACE2 receptors
    • Linoleic acid (LA): binds to the Spike protein, preventing it from binding to ACE2 receptors (however we already consume plenty of it in the diet from vegetable oils)
    • Pomegranate peel extract also blocks the spike protein at the ACE2 receptor (74% efficacy, with punicalagin at 64% and ellagic acid at 36% effectiveness)
    • Ivermectin, in addition to inhibiting importins and perhaps altering cytoplasm pH, may also bind to the Spike protein, hindering its ACE2 docking ability
    • Nattokinase, found especially in Natto (a traditional Japanese fermented soybeans dish) which is also the food richest in vitamin K2 by far, or as a supplement, is an enzyme useful to prevent blood clots (2000-4000 fibrinolytic units per day), AND it inhibits ACE2.

    Immune system enhancers/inhibitors (endogenous antiviral response enhancers/latent virus inhibitors/cytokine inhibitors):

    • Obviously serum vitamin D should be well above 30 ng/ml, minimally at 40ng/ml, ideally should be >60ng/ml (not to be confused with nmol/L), so that you have an army of defensins, cathelicidins, and interferons (this treats a cause i.e. targets the pathogen itself)
    • Avoid nutrient deficiencies of the nutrients most required by the immune system, namely vitamin D, zinc, selenium, vitamin K2, vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin E, magnesium, ...
    • Low-dose antiretroviral therapy to reeducate your immune system
    • Low-dose interferons such as Paximune, developed by interferon researcher Dr. Joe Cummins, to stimulate your immune system
    • Cannabis, to strengthen Type I interferon pathways (also reduces stress so enhances immune system)
    • Peptide T (an HIV entry inhibitor derived from the HIV envelope protein gp120; it blocks binding and infection of viruses that use the CCR5 receptor to infect cells)
    • Dimethylglycine or trimethylglycine (or inositol or other methyl donors) to enhance methylation, thereby suppressing latent viruses (such as herpes/shingles)
    • Medicinal mushrooms upregulate the immune system by various pathways; this may be useful but there is some potential it could induce overreaction (there are many medicinal mushrooms that do many different things; the king and queen are Chaga and Reishi)
    • Antihistamines have been shown to be very useful for long-haul covid symptoms, which are often similar to long-haul vaccine symptoms, by suppressing the cytokine response and potential storm that can lead to uncontrolled inflammation. These are easier to get than ivermectin so there's no reason not to have them at home (both H1 and H2 antagonists).

    Garbage disposal enhancers:

    • Silymarin from milk thistle to help cleanse your liver.
    • A "diet plenty of sulfur-rich foods to keep your mitochondria and lysosomes healthy", as both are "important for the clearing of cellular debris, including these spike proteins." You can also boost your sulfate by taking Epsom salt baths, or MSM (methylsulfonylmethane, also a strong very-nontoxic antioxidant).
    • To combat the toxicity of the spike protein, Dr. Stephanie Seneff suggests optimizing autophagy, which may help digest and remove the spike proteins. Time-restricted eating (intermittent fasting) will upregulate autophagy.
    • Niacin (500mg or 1g) (+NAC), to flush waste, free radicals, and foreign garbage (including Spike proteins and viral particles) out of the organs, while replenishing glutathione reserves (carbs should not be eaten in a 3-6 hour window after ingestion).
    • Charcoal taken soon after injection might help detoxify.
    • Serrapeptase is an anti-inflammatory proteolytic enzyme that helps break down proteins and can promote healing by reducing debris accumulation around necrotic (injured) tissue (100-200 mg on empty stomach).

    Protection against potential glycine zipper protein misfolding:

    • Sauna therapy, which upregulates heat shock proteins, will help refold misfolded proteins, and also tag damaged proteins and target them for removal. Also makes you sweat out toxins and activates autophagy; costs a few thousand dollars but is free once installed, or it can be rented. Sauna/heat therapy is thus now one of the most important health considerations for "vaccinated" people, if it turns out to be true that they can induce prion disease.
    • Looks like quinine inhibits the misfolding of PrP proteins, and analogue 2,2'-biquinoline looks like it is about 100 times more effective (however, quinine is also a zinc ionophore).
    • Unlike for unvaxxed, careful with zinc as when combined with the quackcines it apparently may facilitate the induction of prion disease.

    Blood clotting reducers:

    • The well-known blood-thinners apply (water, omega-3 fatty acids, vitamin K2, low-dose aspirin, ginkgo biloba, warfarin...)
    • Eliminate/reduce sugars/carbs/junk food as that thickens the blood and damages artery walls, and ensure you don't have deficiencies of magnesium, vitamin D, or vitamin K2 as that will cause calcium metabolism dysfunction causing calcium deposits in and stiffening of arteries
    • Dr. Judy Mikovits says that Suramin is an antidote; obtainable from shikimic acid and suramin-containing pine needle tea extract or fennel, which have anti-platelet-aggregating (antithrombotic) activity. Other shikimate-containing plants are Schizandra berries, Triphala, St. John's Wort (is also a natural SSRI so reduces anxiety/increases happiness), ginkgo biloba (also increases blood flow), wheatgrass (juice), Comfrey Leaf, Feverfew, Horsemint, Liquid Ambar (Sweet Gum tree), carrots and carrot juice.
    • Nattokinase, found especially in Natto (a traditional Japanese fermented soybeans dish) which is also the food richest in vitamin K2 by far, or as a supplement, is an enzyme useful to prevent blood clots (2000-4000 fibrinolytic units per day), AND it inhibits ACE2.

    Spike protein oxidative denaturers (this treats a cause i.e. targets the pathogen itself):

    • Chlorine dioxide (CDS) should work against free Spike proteins, and possibly against ones stuck in ACE2 receptors, denaturing them by stealing electrons from its component molecules (particularly cysteines and tryptophans). Kalcker has suggested protocol F+C for the first 2 days ASAP after injection, then protocol C for 21 days.
    • Ozone should also work, being stronger / more powerful, so it wouldn't hurt to make sure you have enough glutathione to counter the aggregate oxidative stress (you can take NAC and/or vitamin C just after treatment).

    Antioxidants in general, as clotting, spike proteins, nanolipids, and graphene/other metals all generate free radicals:

    • Acetyl-glutathione, NAC, Vitamin C increase glutathione (vitamin C also suppresses cortisol), MSM, vitamin E, astaxanthin, flavonoids from plant foods or supplements, etc.
    • C60 is a carbon lattice structure (buckyball) that acts as a strong exotic antioxidant and antiinflammatory that may "normalize electron flow throughout the body".

    Anti-inflammatory compounds/diet:

    • Omega-3 fatty acids (krill oil is best, sardines, cod liver oil, fish oil, or algae oil if plant sourced)
    • Low carb, low vegetable fats diet (except coconut oil and non-heated olive oil)
    • Astaxanthin (also a strong fat-soluble antioxidant), curcumin, Boswellia, etc
    • Cannabis, or CBD alone
    • For neuroinflammation if Spike proteins or graphene/metals reach the brain, sigma-1 agonists (e.g. fluvoxamine or fluoxetine which are also SSRIs) seem to be useful (SSRIs should be used max 2 weeks); cannabis maybe also
    • NSAIDs (should be used only temporarily but useful to tell you if any symptoms are inflammation-mediated).
    • Acetaminophen/paracetamol (Tylenol) just after the jab may help to suppress immune function to antigens, but has a generally pretty bad effects profile.

    Potentially, ACE2 regulators could help, but I wouldn't try this as you want ACE and ACE2 function, you just don't want Spike protein binding (if you're using ACE inhibitors for hypertension I don't know if it would be wise to switch to any other type):

    • ACE2 inhibitors, which selectively inhibit only ACE2, are rare: one well-known one is baicalin from Chinese skullcap (Scutellaria baicalensis).
    • ACE2 downregulators include estrogen, nicotine, and cannabidiol (CBD from cannabis - reportedly, CBD may reduce ACE2 expression by as much as 73%).

    Also worth noting is the potential effect of exercise. As Dr. Bruce Patterson (the foremost expert on treating long-covid except that he misses CDS) says, Spike proteins stuck in monocytes are mobilized by exercise, so people can go from feeling better to doing exercise and then relapse. Just something to keep in mind, but otherwise exercise is extremely useful as everyone already knows. And remember the main risk factors for COVID, which likely apply to the experimental "vaccines" too: metabolic syndrome/glucose dysregulation/insulin resistance/diabetes/obesity, autoimmune disorders, and weakened body due to nutrient deficiencies, toxins overload, or simply old age. Exercise helps combat many of these (mobilizes and excretes toxins via sweat, upregulates metabolic flexibility, resensitizes insulin receptors...).

    So there are plenty of things you can do to reduce symptomology or subclinical damage. Most people seem to be lucky so far with only minor or no adverse effects from the various jabs, which likely vary in dosage and amounts of nanolipids/adenocapsids that leave the injection site, and some might even be placebo (I bet smaller countries are receiving more placebo). How many have graphene oxide or some other metallic components remains an open question but a very significant percentage do get the mysterious magnetization effect where magnets stick to the injection site and sometimes later extends to other parts of the body.

    Remember, the Big Pharma cartels have captured the regulatory agencies and given themselves full legal immunity (so at most you could sue your doctor/hospital/government/media, and you should)... so their risk model is not "we must make sure as few people as possible die from our product and get them just sick enough to buy our other products", it's "we must avoid too many people dying in the same place at the same time and prolong the pandemic so as to secure new waves of governments buying our vaccines". As Dr. Gérard Delépine and Michel Chossudovsky point out, "Ironically, not only does Pfizer have a criminal record with the US Department of Justice for “fraudulent marketing”, the EU Commission has chosen Pfizer BioNTech as its “Reliable Partner” for the production of 1.8 billion doses over the next 3-4 years, in a contract which is currently under negotiation." And hyper-corrupt Justin Trudeau recently secured 294 million doses for a country of 37M -- that's 8 doses for every baby in Canada!

    Fascinating times, quite beyond science fiction if we go back only 2 years!!!

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 10:21am

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    Jonni said:

    Ision, I wasn't worried about getting the virus myself, but I was worried about taking a plane full of germs to my 95-year old father's house. My brother was also really worried about having an un-vaxxed person around, too - he gets all of his medical info from CNN and other MSN outlets, even though he really should know better. I just sent him this link debunking the silly horse paste stories, but I doubt that it will make any difference. Some ZH articles really are BS, so I'm sure he'll dismiss that one, too.

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 1:40pm

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    Africa map referred to in video

    https://mobile.twitter.com/birb_k/status/1431339779703017477

    created by https://mobile.twitter.com/birb_k/status/1434156973172293636

    based upon data from https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.26.21254377v1.full.pdf

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 1:43pm

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    james [email protected] said:

    I purchased my ivermectin in tablet form for people from|:[email protected],

    Sunil is a supplier of ivermectin in India. Postage is $30 so I always order a large amount. 60 bucks gets over 80 tablets of 12 mg.

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 4:59pm

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    Hi fellow Cunucks!

    I got this stat straight from the feds right here:

    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/91f0015m/91f0015m2021002-eng.htm

    “The average age of Canadians who died of COVID-19 in 2020 is 83.8 years. By comparison, the average age at death in Canada in 2019 was 76.5 years.”

    So statistically speaking if you die from covid you get to live 6 years LONGER?!? Than the average canadian!

    Up until today I had never laughed out loud to statistics. 😂...

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 5:49pm

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    canuck life expectancy

    That is actually 7.3 years longer than life expectancy/   Well here in the US , I believe it was 77 vs 79 ,  still not impressive illness.   You need to show me that this is not just mostly older people dying. Of course, there are some rare cases of "healthy" young people dying.  But we now learn that these people may actually have immunity problems - or deficiencies.    Of course there are lots of people with such undiagnosed conditions, but it is not a guaranteed thing that you will die from covid.

    Now, I am neither young or free of health problems, so , I guess there are a ton of people at so called risk.  But, I  would not expect the world to do anything special for me.  I avoid the flu each year like the plague.   But, when health, didnt care.   Sort of like women who are pregnant or infants.   No one did anything special for them, but if you were pregnant or had an infant , you took more precautions.. NO need to force people home and away from work, and with masks etc.

    Oddly enough, all the older people I know , even the ones who vaxxed, said they were not fearful of the illness.  They had lived most of their lives , and are not fearful, and worry more about children being medicated on their behalf, and what the economic fall out has done to them.

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 6:11pm

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    ivermectin, the alternate viewpoint

    https://slate.com/podcasts/what-next-tbd/2021/09/ivermectin-demand-skyrocketing

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 6:32pm

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    I agree.

    I agree with most of what you have said. I would say that the vaccine is harmful, even fatal, to many. That is true of all vaccines, but much more so for the Covid vaccine. All vaccines often cause encephalitic and autoimmune reactions. But in this particular case, Hundreds of millions have gotten it, and most have done fine, and protect themselves and others from Covid. I agree that it is the best preventive, but it is necessary that nearly everyone take it. I appreciate your comments and thank you for them.

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 6:35pm

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    Ivermectin, the alternative viewpoint

    Doug
    Your "alternative viewpoint" provided by a "BLESSINGS TO THE SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGERS" rag and authored by a corrupt, misleading paid contributor to the Atlantic and CNN is very misleading and a waste of time.  The author`s pronouncement of "the unproven ivermectin etc. " over and over again does not substitute for data or sound logic.  Nor do her thin arguments to confidently reveal that Dr. Corey`s coworkers are getting rich from their efforts and this is the bigger story, nor the argument that the people there lack clinical experience and this is the latest fraud after moving on from their previous fake cancer treatments.  The corrupt/biased interviewer on your recommended site is on a long term quest to be the inquisitor of banning people from the internet.  Dont need this $hit.  Is this the stuff that convinces you of something?

    I have found some good alternative viewpoints from people who have quit the FLCCC because they felt that the group was denigrating the vaccines too much as one tool to combat covid.  Such alternative view is welcome to me.  But, I dont have the spare time to listen to a fascist "reporter" who proudly is working to extend control of the media.

    I don`t have any more time to check out your "alternate view!" fantasizes.  I wish that there were an ignore person button on this blogsite.
    (addendum: I will not respond to blowback such as fact free based appeals to authority such as large corporations (profit based authority) or jurisdictions (political authorities).

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 8:33pm

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    A pitch? ☹️

    Not only about free speech. Time is critical as you say. Lives are in the balance. Battlefield medicine as Zev said.

    Anything goes on BitChute, Odysee, and Rumble too. Many of us have also set aside our normal revenue streams to try to help others - for about as long as you. You shouldn't put a price tag on life-saving information. The FLCCC hold free 'webinars', so does Bret. And they are even more on top of this.

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 8:43pm

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    Laughing at statistics

    Age-at-death stats for the population overall cover all deaths including infant and childhood deaths, whereas the stats about a specific cause of death include, by definition, only a subset of the population. Why are you surprised if the averages are different? There's no reason to expect age-at-death stats for any particular cause of death to match the population at large, whether it's covid or cancer or car accidents.

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 8:59pm

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    Fully agree.

    Yes you are most right there isn’t any correlation really. But looking at it at first glance it seems comical no? Or at least it serves to point how unlikely you are to have an untimely covid death in comparison to any other potential risk. I’m i right to think that I’m less likely to die from covid than from the aggregate of any other thing that could kill me?

    Does life have way more co-morbidities than covid...

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 9:01pm

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    Merck on Ivermectin

    The author`s pronouncement of "the unproven ivermectin etc. " over and over again does not substitute for data or sound logic.

    FWIW, Merck, the actual makers of Ivermectin, say that it's unproven as a covid treatment. They say this:

    It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

    • No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;

    • No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;

    • A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies

    Source: https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

    That page is a few months old but if they posted anything to update it I couldn't find it.

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 9:11pm

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    Think again

    serves to point how unlikely you are to have an untimely covid death in comparison to any other potential risk.

    Think again.
    Many jurisdictions are listing covid as one of their leading causes of death these days, ahead of most other causes except cancer and heart disease.

    covid leading cause of death

     

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 9:52pm

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    Timing

    I get that the covid deaths are coming faster and faster outpacing other causes of death in certain jurisdictions but what are the general characteristics of those who are dieing? Age, comorbidities? If I’m more likely to die from covid than cancer or heart desease but I’m in my 80s with comorbidities i wouldn’t make much of a comparison to the general population right?

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 9:53pm

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    Shplad said:

    Does anyone have any concrete evidence/citation to prove that Dr. Malone invented the mRNA vaccine? I Google and found nothing. In fact, when I Googled, I couldn't even find more than one or two papers to which he contributed.

    Links would be appreciated.

     

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 10:31pm

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    A billion reasons reply to Yoxa

    Merck has a $$$$ billion reasons to trash ivermectin, call it unsafe, and unproven.  Scroll down in the article.

    https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2021/06/09/us-merck-oral-covid-drug

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 10:40pm

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    Dr. Malone invention data

    The data on Dr. Malone's invention of mRNA technology concept in the 1980s has been scrubbed, Go to his website where you  will find he supporting evidence.

    Also try archived web pages on Way back machine, you may find original Wikipedia entry to compare to the current.

     

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 11:07pm

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    SHPLAD

    g is not a search appliance - its a propaganda facilitator.  Why do you use this privacy scraper, data manipulating engine?

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 11:17pm

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    A billion reasons?

    Hmmm ... so you think Merck would pass up a billion reason$$$ to promote something already in hand, to wait for something that's still in development and might or might not turn out? Merck certainly didn't hesitate to promote Ivermectin when they were convinced it would be genuinely helpful (example: against river blindness).

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 11:27pm

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    IVM is off-patent

    Yoxa-

    IVM is off-patent.  Anyone can make it.  It is very cheap.  If everyone uses IVM every single day, Merck won't make a penny.  The generic drugmakers will make the penny - but not very many pennies.  Did I mention it is generic at this point?

    Molnupiravir will cost $700/treatment.  It is patented.  Only Merck can make it. It will be worth billions per year to Merck.

    This isn't a very hard calculation to make.  On the one hand, Ivermectin makes them nothing because of the generic competition.  On the other, Molnupiravir makes them billions.

    If Ivermectin went away completely, Merck would be ecstatic.  Because - Molnupiravir.

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  • Sun, Sep 05, 2021 - 11:57pm

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    Yoxa said:

    Merck still produces Ivermectin even though it's off-patent, just as Bayer still finds it worthwhile to produce Aspirin. There's money to be made even when a product is off-patent.

    Molnupiravir will cost $700/treatment

    How much of that would be actual net profit for Merck?

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 12:04am

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    Malone as inventor of mRNA vaccine

    One of his group's early papers is here.  They injected genetic material into a muscle and the genes expressed by making the protein as desired.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1690918/

    Also, if a person goes to PubMed and put RW Malone in as a search term, a few papers appear.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 1:01am

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    its a big club

    If you have a legal monopoly on something, and there is no competition, you can charge a ton of money for it.  $700/treatment.

    Now let's imagine Ivermectin worked as well as molnupiravir, but as we know, any random generic company can make it too.  The random generic company might charge $30/treatment for ivermectin.

    Do you think Merck would be happy with that?   No.  That $700 price tag would go away.  It would be more like $50.  Do you think they want a 90% drop in revenues?  I'm guessing not.

    This is really basic corporate income statement analysis here.  Buffet talks about companies needing a "moat" to be profitable.  In Pharma, patented drugs are that moat.

    Merck is trashing anything that competes with their $700 drug.  Of course.  They are duty-bound to protect the interests of their shareholders.  And they have help from FDA, and NIH to get this done.  If Merck does well, FDA bureaucrats keep their jobs, due to "user fees" paid by Pharma companies to get drugs approved.

    FDA gets 45% of its budget from Pharma "user fees."  No Pharma user fees = a lot of bureaucrats don't have jobs.

    https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/fda-basics/fact-sheet-fda-glance

    Its a big club.  We aren't in it.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 9:42am

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    Peaceful Protest September 15th


    Before we get to bullets, we need to give a preview of what’s to come. from Wallstreetsilver

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 1:40pm

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    Revenue is not the same as profits

    Do you think they want a 90% drop in revenues?  I'm guessing not.

    The question that matters here would be about profits, not revenues. They're not the same thing. If you're going to drop solemn phrases like "corporate income statement analysis", take care with the distinction.

    Unless we know what the profit margin is on that $1.2 billion contract, we need to be careful what assumptions we make about it... and what motives we project.

    While a $1.2 billion contract sounds Very Large Indeed to most of us, it amounts to less than 3% of what Merck's revenues were for last year.

    There are many populations in the world for whom a treatment that costs multi-hundreds of dollars would be absolutely out of reach. It is beyond comprehension for my feeble brain that a company would diss one of their own existing products solely in order to advance the still-in-development multi-hundred dollar treatment, in the process leaving untold sums on the table from the rest of the world who could never be customers for the expensive product no matter how good it might be.

    On the other hand, my feeble brain has no trouble entertaining the thought that maybe, just maybe, Merck said what they did about ivermectin because they're genuinely not convinced (yet) about its effectiveness for treating covid. They certainly don't hesitate to produce and promote it for other things, generic competition notwithstanding.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 2:34pm

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    analysis

    Yoxa-

    I definitely get that - for some reason - you really don't want to believe this is true.  You are really wrapping yourself around the axle looking for every possible excuse as to why Merck would never engage in such activities - such as trashing their boring, low margin generic product so as to make space for their new, super-expensive, proprietary product.

    Why would they do such a thing?

    If they can make Ivermectin go away, which many can produce, and replace it with Molnupiravir, which costs 20 times more, and which only they are allowed to produce, they're going to do this in a nanosecond.  That's just how capitalism works.

    And as for the third world - they could "take pity" on the poor slobs in the third world and sell them MPV at a "greatly reduced price" of $100/dose.  Still three times the price of IVM, so still a win for Merck.  Gilead did that for the clearly useless Remdesivir in India.

    This is just how things are done in Pharma-land.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 3:08pm

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    Reply to Yoxa

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.  Be well

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 3:49pm

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    Yoxa said:

    If they can make Ivermectin go away, which many can produce,

    Dave, if anyone can produce it, they wouldn't be able to make it go away even if they wished to. That's how reality works.

    trashing their boring, low margin generic product so as to make space for their new, super-expensive, proprietary product.

    You seem locked into the assumption that the old drug and the new could not coexist, they'd have to be either/or and couldn't be both/and. I'm not convinced about that, as an effective old drug could be sold in many places that the fancy new drug never would be. As to which would be more profitable overall, either/or or both/and, neither you nor I can do more than speculate.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 4:06pm

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    Ivermectin Must Be Destroyed

    Yoxa,

    If Ivermectin becomes recognized as an effective therapy, the Emergency Use Authorization evaporates. That cannot be allowed to happen.

    This is in addition to interfering with future income streams discussed above.

    Why, hell, Ivermectin may even interfere with acceptance of yearly flu vaccines.

    Fortunately, I heard that Ivermectin was seen romping with urinating Russian prostitutes.

    Ivermectin Must Be Destroyed.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 4:14pm

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    Yoxa, You said it. It's about profits.

    Yoxa,

    You are correct that it is about profits rather than revenue. Tell me where the profit is in a drug that is off-patent. Once it goes off-patent, any low-cost producer can legally sell it. Merck may be able to use their name and reputation to command a slightly higher price; however, there is a limit to this. When I can buy a tube of horse paste Ivermectin that has 5 doses for ~$5, there just isn't much money in this drug. Granted, human-grade Ivermectin would be more expensive, but since the ingredients are cheap, the extra cost is consumed by regulatory compliance. There still isn't any appreciable profit.

    Since there isn't any appreciable profit in an off-patent medicine, what incentive does Merck (or any pharmaceutical company) have to promote that product? They would be slitting their own throats - especially if they have spent research money on an on-patent product that they can exclusively produce. Without competition, they set the price. If it is the only approved treatment, they'll be able to charge more and gain windfall profits that they can plow back into their research.

    Truth is expensive when it goes against the bottom line. Since Merck has little to no incentive to promote Ivermectin, why would they? At least they're just letting it die a benign death instead of trashing it. Their captured MSM and captured regulatory agencies are doing their best in regards to the heavy lifting. They convinced you.

    Grover

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 5:07pm

    Yoxa

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    Trashing IV

    At least they're just letting it die a benign death instead of trashing it.

    For the moment, in regards to covid they ARE trashing it:

    Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 6:18pm

    Grover

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    Benign Neglect

    Yoxa wrote:

    For the moment, in regards to covid they [Merck] ARE trashing it:

    And, from Merck's website that you cited: [Note my comments in <>]

    Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic

    Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

    • No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; <who will spend the money to prove this works when there isn't any profit motive???>
    • No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
    • A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies. <Is Merck limiting this statement to generic Ivermectin and only in the treatment of Covid-19 patients?>

    We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.

    Reading between the lines, they haven't performed any studies to prove its efficacy against the virus. Why? It goes against their bottom-line profit! That's the only reason. Please tell me exactly where they are trashing it. All I see is them saying that it isn't proven to work. They aren't even saying it is unsafe. They're only citing "a concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies." Ivermectin is one of the safest medications ever produced. It has been safely used billions of times in humans.

    Does that mean it is totally safe and effective? Nope. Does that mean that it is unsafe and ineffective? Nope. The fact that it is off-patent means that there isn't any profit-motive to study it. That's all. Period. As a result, we don't know within scientific certitude how safe and how effective it is.

    Ubermeister wrote in Post #179,

    If Ivermectin becomes recognized as an effective therapy, the Emergency Use Authorization evaporates. That cannot be allowed to happen.

    I agree completely! The mRNA vaxxines are being allowed under an Emergency Use Authorization. If there were an effective therapy, the EUA would disappear and lots of big Pharma profits would disappear as well. Remember when you noted that it is profits, not revenue? Imagine how many profits go poof.

    Just to be fair, there are absolutely ZERO long-term studies on the mRNA vaxxines. Yet, those unproven prophylaxes are being administered to humans. Does that bother you? Please explain. Thanks,

    Grover

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 7:52pm

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    Article on OK IVM patients clogging hospitals

    Except it was all made up.  The alleged dr doesn't even work at the hospital he claims he works at.

    We need FACTUAL DATA, not made up claims that are lies.

    One thing I've really learned from following CM for so long, FOLLOW THE DATA, and make sure that data is cited.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 9:28pm

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    Yoxa- what the average age at death from covid means

    If the average age of people dying from covid is similar to or greater than the average age of people dying from all causes, then we know that there is absolutely no way that large or even moderate numbers of younger people could be dying from covid - as they would be thrown into the average and would drive the age down.  What this prove is that to a very large extent, people dying from covid are near the end of their lives anyway.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 9:32pm

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    Merck's data free "press release" containing their profit motivated "opinion" on ivermectin for covid

    I remember that press release.  It referred to no data and simply contained their assertion that there was no data to support it's use in spite of the fact that there was plenty of it at the time - and - at just about the same time, they announced their acquisition of a company that was working on a brand new - on patent covid early treatment (and if I remember correctly, several hundred million in government funding to help them develop it).    I'd say that's a pretty clear conflict of interest.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 11:12pm

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    backfire effect

    I think we're being treated to an example of The Backfire Effect.  Yoxa has a deep-seated belief system/worldview, which has concluded: "Merck couldn't possibly be doing this."  This discussion is a direct result of this belief system.

    Here's a great article on conservatives, who when they were provided corrections showing that no WMD were found in Iraq, became even MORE convinced that said weapons existed.

    https://daily.jstor.org/the-backfire-effect/

    They found that “direct factual contradictions can actually strengthen ideologically grounded factual beliefs—an empirical finding with important theoretical implications.”

    You cannot convince anyone suffering from the Backfire Effect using evidence, science, logic, or data.  That's just how this works.

    Yoxa I apologize for trying to challenge your belief system on this matter.  I will leave you to your worldview.  I certainly don't want to make matters any worse than they already are.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 11:47pm

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    Projecting

    which has concluded: "Merck couldn't possibly be doing this."

    That's not what I said.

    You're projecting again, Dave.

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  • Mon, Sep 06, 2021 - 11:52pm

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    Brand New Drug "Pfivermectin"

    From the Babylon Bee:

    Pfizer releases Brand New, Never Before Seen Drug 'Pfivermectin'

    Experts say that taking two doses of Pfivermectin every day at the first sign of COVID symptoms could lessen the severity and duration of the infection. Ivermectin will do the same thing, except it may also turn you into a horse and make everyone laugh at you. Not good!

    A Pfizer spokesman also confirmed that their drug will be approximately 30,000% more expensive than Ivermectin.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-releases-popular-new-drug-pfivermectin

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 12:33am

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    sure thing

    I'll just go with whatever you say, Yoxa.  I'm projecting.  It is all my fault.

    I now believe that you correct.  Merck is doing nothing wrong, they're a fine upstanding company, only trying to do the very best for the world at large, helping the most people, at the most reasonable prices they can, because that's just how they roll.  In fact, that's how ALL of Pharma behaves.  They only want to help.  Bless Pharma, and their friends at NIH and FDA, who only have the good of the public in their hearts every day they come to work.

    It is sad.  Ivermectin just doesn't work at all, and Merck is trying to save the world from heartache by pointing this out to us.  Their community spirit is inspiring - they are willing to sacrifice their generic Ivermectin sales in order to help everyone.  Bless Merck again for all they do.

    Bless them especially for their new drug, Molnupiravir, which from what Doctor Fauci has hinted at, will help billions of people around the world, as soon as it is approved by FDA for COVID19.  The best part: it will only cost $700/dose!   That's a bargain, for a drug that will actually cure COVID in the outpatient setting.

    The good that Merck continues to do, worldwide, just never stops.

    Does that feel better?

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 12:36am

    Yoxa

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    Yoxa said:

    people dying from covid are near the end of their lives anyway.

    Not necessarily. Someone who dies after contracting covid at, say, age 80 might have lived happily to 90 or more without covid.

    The most we can say here is that, so far, covid has killed more old people than young people. To assume that the oldsters were already knocking on death's door even without covid is just that, an assumption.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 12:41am

    Yoxa

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    nothing wrong

    Merck is doing nothing wrong

    I didn't say that either.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 1:07am

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    a correction

    Thanks for the correction, Yoxa.

    "The people at Merck are doing their  best to act for the good of humanity.  Sometimes they make mistakes, but heck - everyone makes mistakes, don't they?

    Same is true with the people at FDA and NIH.  Sometimes they make mistakes, but by and large they are acting for the greater good."

    Better?

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 9:18am

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    You're correct, Yoxa, I exaggerated

    Things are tilted this way, but there are many older people who would have had some quality of life for at least a few years.  There are certainly also many older people who would have died soon anyway and many in nursing homes and other care facilities who might have lived a few more years without much quality of life.  There are also younger folks, primarily with comorbidities who would have lived too.  Even so, probably 1/3 of the deaths in our exaggerated death toll were from people near the end of life.  Another significant fraction (5%? 10%? 25%?, even more?) were from people who died with covid.

    Caveat 1 - that is all without ivermectin and other early treatments that would probably reduce the loss of years of life and the incidence of long covid by perhaps 75% or more.

    Caveat 2 - Why should I at 56 and healthy with two daughters 16 and 19, and, especially people younger than me and even more especially teens (and soon children) who have many decades of productive and hopefully high quality life in front of them, accept the very real risk of the vaccine and an ongoing series of boosters to - allegedly - protect these older folks who have lived most or at least much of their lives already?  The overall risk benefit ratio to society absolutely suggests that younger and healthy middle aged people do not get vaccinated.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 9:21am

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    backwards

    QB-

    The Vax Marketing specialists have encouraged the young (with 70 years of life ahead of them) to sacrifice themselves for the elderly (who have 5-10 years of life left).

    Doesn't that seem backwards to anyone?

    Well it is most definitely NOT backwards, if you work in Vax Marketing.

    OLD PEOPLES LIVES MATTER MOST!

    Children, on the other hand, are expendable.  Its not hard to pop another kid out, if your current batch gets the "rare" myocarditis, trying to protect Grandma, which apparently takes them out within 5 years or so.  Fortunately it is really super-duper rare.  Really rare.  Almost never happens.  [A lie, of course.  But whadda ya gonna do?  Marketeers gonna market!]

    Amirite?

    VAX MARKETING!!

     

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 10:31am

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    What is missing that you dont see.

    Normally in a real pandemic, I would expect to see people dying not just in the hospital but at home too.  Not everyone, who is sick goes to the hospital.  I have not seen any of this or even heard of this reported by the media.  It seems impossible for a disease that kills so many.  So, now ask yourself why do so many die in the hospital?  Either the hospital treatment is killing you, or you are not dying from Covid.

    I am one who needs to expect to see repeated outcome to see causality.  And I expect to see very specific patterns.  And there is one that has emerged but appears to be completely ignored. The death shot.  There are old and young alike who die within a few hours or days right after vaxxing.  They feel fatigued and unwell, go to lie down, and never awake again.  You can see this in the vaers reporting.   Most people are not so lucky to "die in their sleep."  But, this seems to be not only happening a lot in old, but young and even young and healthy.  This is highly unusual in my opinion.  This is also what, I would deem as a pattern. ( what Vaers is specifically supposed to catch )  There is no doubt these vax deaths are from just that.  Yet they are supposedly coincidental , and doesnt mean causation to the official narrative.   Of course, you dont acknowledge the data that wont work for your agenda.

    My local hospital, has a death rate of greater than 50% of every single patient they admit.  I recall early on , that the hospital death rate was around 30% before they developed the more appropriate standard of care.  I have mentioned this before in previous posts. But if you have a death rate for Covid admissions of 50% , you are either waiting too long to admit someone or you are killing them.   To that end , why are so may people on vents again, as we know that is actually not the appropriate treatment and is associated with poorer outcome?  and we also know redmisivir , makes this worse, not better.  My recommendation, do not go to the hospital under any circumstances if you get covid.  I have such a directive to my family.  I will die at home , if Covid takes me.  I can accept dying from disease, I cannot except dying from medical care.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 11:36am

    Yoxa

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    Yoxa said:

    I have not seen any of this or even heard of this reported by the media.

    It's out there. Not usually as top headlines, but it's out there.

    Google: covid deaths higher than reported

    Bing: covid deaths higher than reported

    TL:DR - Researchers in a variety of places calculate that their country's official stats may be significantly undercounting covid deaths.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 11:46am

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    becoming a member

    Chris, I appreciate your work and followed you on YouTube for the last couple of years.

    Unfortunately, the member fee is too high for my costa rican reality.

    But I am happy to take advantage of the $1- first month membership. Thank you!!

    If YouTube doesn´t work well, I hope you keep sharing content on the other channels you are using, like Odysee.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 11:56am

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    Yes, Backwards

    Exactly, Dave.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 1:42pm

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    Is it legal to fire someone because they aren't vaxxed?

    Probably, yes - but when I asked Google if it's legal to fire someone for having diabetes (which is sometimes, but not always, a lifestyle-related illness) I found something interesting:

    [Because of the Americans with Disabilities Act] Employers cannot treat you differently in hiring, firing, discipline, pay, promotion, job training and fringe benefits just because you have diabetes.

    Why I found this interesting, in a conspiracy-theory sort of way, is that individual employers aren't going to save much money by firing healthy working-aged adults just because they haven't been vaccinated. In fact, it's going to cost them a lot of money to hire and train new replacements, and any money saved in health care costs would go to the health insurance company, not the employer, anyway. Insurance companies are unlikely to pass on the full savings to the employers just to be nice.

    You also have to consider that about 12% of people in the US already have natural immunity (I think I got the math right) and we still haven't entirely proven that the vaccine is guaranteed to reduce the severity of illness when a vaccinated person is infected, so there may be no savings in medical costs at all.

    But maybe the purpose of the "fire the unvaxxed" movement is just a shot across the bow to normalize the idea that people with unhealthy lifestyle choices shouldn't be allowed to use up 'our' insurance money with their expensive chronic illnesses. Once that idea takes hold, perhaps the insurance lobbyists could convince enough people in congress to rewrite the Americans with Disabilities Act.

    People with expensive chronic illnesses then lose their jobs, they drop off the group insurance policies, and the insurers save a lot of money.

    Too far out to be believed? I'm just trying to make some sort of sense out of it, because the official version for the 'fire the unvaxxed' movement appears to be total nonsense.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 1:58pm

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    Firing of the unvaxxed

    Jonni brings up an interesting point. If you can fire unvaxed because they might raise insurance costs how about overweight people? can an employer fire all obese employees because statistically speaking they use way more healthcare than their lower BMI counter parts. You know, because its their Lifestyle choice to eat unhealthy and not exercise... let’s add it up over the years and see how much has been spent on obesity related costs vs covid costs. For obese people with covid we could split costs 50/50. What do you all think? Do you think the politicians will take my suggestions?

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 2:24pm

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    Kat43 said:

    I work at a large nationwide law firm which has decided that employees who are not vaccinated and do not qualify for a religious or medical exemption (I don't) will be fired.  The attorneys I most directly report to are trying to make the case to upper management that I am indispensible, but if this is not accepted, I will be "allowed" to retire.   The justification is to protect the immunocompromised staff who can't be vaccinated.  Irrelevant that that excuse has been proven invalid.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 4:01pm

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    LBL said:

    >>>  I work at a large nationwide law firm

    Just wait 6 months.

    It seems in-evitable that more shoes will drop.

    e.g. vaccine intensive law firms being forced to shut down, because of sick employees.

     

    I think that political maneuvering related to the realization that they need to do something to win the 2022 mid-terms, may cause some compromise to occur.

    The Dems were happy to indict Trump for an in-sufficient Covid19 response.

    No reason for the GOP not to do the same.

     

    >>> If you can fire unvaxed because they might raise insurance costs how about overweight people?

    The "health care" industry does not operate like the auto insurance industry.

    I was bitten by a black widow, on the neck, in 2016, and didn't spend a $ on medical care.

     

    My goal for 2020 was to not spend a $ on medical care.   Managed that.

     

    In the auto insurance industry, my non-use of insurance benefits would result in a lower premium.

    But that is not the way the "heath care" industry works.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 4:21pm

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    Who gets to decide if you religion “qualifies”

    Kat, who gets to decide if your religion “qualifies” for a religious exemption?

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 4:31pm

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    religious exemptions

    I have heard that sometimes they require a letter from a religious leader.   However, personally, I think that is unnecessary.

    What they try to do is get you to admit in your religion what it is specifically that is not allowed.  AND then they will lie to you and tell you that the vaccine does not violate that and kick the exemption.

    I would try to stay away from a major religion that tries to make it about something like fetal tissue etc. or something.    A religion is just really broad - that is why they have a philosophical belief exemption, which to me is just the same as religion.  But states and schools are doing away with that.   If you had to state a religion that vaccines are not allowed, you will probably go farthest with islam.    If they ask for a leader - say you dont associate with the islamic community in the US because of negative associations that may be hazardous.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 4:40pm

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    A temporary problem.

    Be aware that this firing of staff is a temporary problem. The vaxxed staff will be increasingly unavailable over the next two years.

    That is the nature of the overpopulation solution.

    Supporting argument: The clot-shot causes every cell in the victims body to produce spike proteins, The immunity defences recognize the spike as the enemy. (Oops!).

    The vaxxed can attempt autophagy to rid their bodies of the spike proteins in order to extend their lives. The cells will continue producing them. In the end, those vaxxed cannot breed because the gonads are particularly damaged, And we are a vey inefficient breeder, regardless.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 4:59pm

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    Religions

    Consider reading the "Dhamma Manifesto". It has a lot to be recommended in it. I am led to believe that it is read in high places.

    In my estimation it is the ultimate solution to the religious problems of the world.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 5:39pm

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    past history

    Unfortunately the religious exemption can be voided by your past history.  If you've been vaccinated for other things then you can't claim that you have a religious objection.  If they want to be really difficult they may make you demonstrate a religious conversion to qualify.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 5:47pm

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    Jonni said:

    An article I found on Google said obesity doesn't put you into a protected class so it's already legal to fire someone for their weight (or just about anything else), unless...

    ... your employer's new policy has a disproportionate effect on employees of a certain race or gender, it may not be legal. For example, if the only employees who are overweight are female employees, this might be seen as gender discrimination.

    But it still wouldn't help out the company doing the firing, as LBL said, because their premiums probably won't go down. Self-insured companies and unions would be different, though.

    I wonder if there are any police departments where all the cops who are refusing the jab just happen to be Black or gay or members of some other protected class? It would be fun to see them take a vaccine mandate to court on the basis of discrimination, but I doubt it would go anywhere.

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  • Tue, Sep 07, 2021 - 8:34pm

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    Lulu Bell said:

    Its patent has expired so Merck no longer can make money from it. Most distributors are not Merck. https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/82/8/562.pdf

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 7:45am

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    OSHA considers reporting adverse vaccine events from mandated vaxes.

    It appears that companies are backing off mandating vaccines because it places the burden of adverse events on them.

    https://www.enr.com/articles/51691-osha-imposes-new-guidance-for-employer-required-covid-19-vaccines    (Sorry about the link…if you go to enr.com and search Covid the article comes up. )

    The question asks whether an employer should record adverse reactions to COVID-19 vaccination if the employer requires the vaccine. OSHA states that if a vaccine is required, then any adverse reaction is considered work-related and therefore it must be recorded. Under OSHA rules, most employers with more than 10 employees are required to keep a record of serious work-related injuries and illnesses. Recorded injuries and illnesses become part of a contractors safety record.

     

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 8:35am

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    Government fighting government... I'll buy tickets and provide the knives

    OOG,

    This is great news. Anytime the government bureaucracies dust off the voluminous rule books to determine if one agencies policy will make more work for another and push back, the people win.

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 8:39am

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    M3 said:

    Under osha faq they have an update-

    DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers' vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904's recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 12:27pm

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    Professor's final test.....incredibly impactful

    Only five minutes ...a must watch

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CTififlAgEX/

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 2:09pm

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    Good God that is powerful Blueberry

    Must watch.

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 2:45pm

    Grover

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    Stop Feeding The Beast!

    Too bad you need to support *uckerberg's farcebook (by having an account) before being allowed to watch. Is this available elsewhere?

    Grover

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 4:20pm

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    Reply to Blueberry

    Compliance is complicity.

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 4:32pm

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    Grover.. I watched without Facebook.. just had to click through...

    Not sure what you are talking about... I have neither facebook nor instagram but was able to watch the video on instagram.

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 4:57pm

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    Wendy S. Delmater said:

    What my husband's employer does is give a discount to non-smokers, and then test if they are tobacco free. They also, and this answers your question more directly, give you time to lose weight and the charge you extra if your BMI does not move lower. Do these make legal precedents for them charging more to be unvaxxed, like a certain airlines is charging their employees? We shall see.

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 5:13pm

    goldrunner1

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    She must be over the target....Toronto Sun & The Fact Checkers are on it.

    'ETHICALLY WRONG': Anti-COVID vaccine prof rips university over mandatory policy
    https://www.torontosun.com/news/local-news/anti-covid-vaccine-professor-rips-western-university-ahead-of-peoples-party-rally/wcm/2ac1088b-a168-4aa4-9004-3edfed4223b3

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 5:15pm

    Arthur Robey

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    Brace up Denialzen

    Anticipate megga-death from the clot-shot. They'll call it Covid of cause. Their plan is brilliant and well thought out. It's even got plausible deniability.

    Just remember this, The Spike Protein Is the disease. It can be delivered by a virus or by an injection.

    But remember too that it didn't have to be this way. Get the disease and good luck. The odds are hugely in your favour.

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 5:38pm

    Canuck21

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    FLCCC weekly seminar at 7 pm tonight

    A reminder that this week's FLCCC seminar at 7 pm tonight will feature the lawyer who forced hospitals to administer IVM.

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  • Wed, Sep 08, 2021 - 6:32pm

    Grover

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    Don't Feed The Beast!

    Jim H wrote:

    Not sure what you are talking about... I have neither facebook nor instagram but was able to watch the video on instagram.

    Jim,

    I tried to click everywhere on the screen. All I saw was the farcebook login screen. I couldn't click through. Then, I went back to Blueberry's post and saw that the hyperlink was different than what shows on the screen.

    Screen text: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTififlAgEX/

    Hyperlink: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fp%2FCTififlAgEX%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2rKDK60Pfq01VnPnHtNFibrZdUTJcwqt2Js_OYXQaZ0kMdYj0ucEbyGuE&h=AT3PapotvYk4VvpRh9SxraxhbpcPP4hbQn3h-Anju2aRnfMvc_cZaA-i2xsvzwML3IN7E1h1sJWMkiA7nHXEWdqIvIiAyvg246sIzAL3zAGSBiegMP_IXm4mASRVBFycdvrJXA

    Guess what all that gobbledygook does? farcebook's computer generated those codes so they could track many, many aspects. That gives farcebook detailed information about who originated this link along with all the platform details of PeakProsperity and whatever information your ISP and browser provides as well. As you know, information is valuable and these people mine it for all its worth.

    It may seem innocuous to use their "free" service ... but is it, really free?

    Grover

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  • Thu, Sep 09, 2021 - 8:52am

    SingleSpeak

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    Warning to New PP Members

    and seasoned members that have not been paying attention.

    Don't f--k with davefairtex. You'll very likely end up looking silly and you'll make these threads much longer than necessary.

    I'm not saying Dave is always right, as none of us are, but statistically you're better off playing the lottery.

    SS

    -I'll PM you my patreon Dave. 😉

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  • Thu, Sep 09, 2021 - 9:29am

    thesecuritygirl

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    Davefairtx

    AGREE... don't eff with Dave!!!  He's my other hero next to Chris M

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  • Thu, Sep 09, 2021 - 9:38am

    thesecuritygirl

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    blueberry... i cried

    My soul cries every day.... we are in mourning for humanity.  We are experiencing the end.

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  • Thu, Sep 09, 2021 - 2:53pm

    JWhite

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    Replying to Professor's final test.....incredibly impactful (#213)

    I'm a graduate of that university - it is so hard to believe this is happening.  I just wrote to Dr. Panesse to offer my support and suggest she sue the university for wrongful dismissal.

    Now that autumn is here and the various deadlines for getting the Covid shots are upon us, there will be thousands of stories just like hers.  I admire her so much for standing her ground and speaking out, even though the reality of doing so clearly takes a serious emotional toll.

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  • Thu, Sep 09, 2021 - 3:16pm

    pythagnz

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    Shadow Structures

    I also found that video of Dr Jane Ponesse very moving.

    I thought that now might be a good time to set up Shadow Structures. Imagine if we could create health centres where doctors took their time with patients and doctored, rather than medicating them and rushing through 15 min consultations. All the health professionals who have been dismissed because they refuse to be vaccinated could work in these alternative health centres.

    Imagine if we could create alternative places of learning where people like Dr Jane Ponesse could teach freely. Especially if we made these places fun and full of joy. People on the outside would look in and be envious of the unvaccinated living life and having a wonderful time. Of course, we wouldn't restrict such places to only the unvaccinated.

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