Chris Martenson: Welcome, everyone, to this Peak Prosperity Podcast. I am your host Dr. Chris Martenson; and today, we are talking with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. We are honored to have him on our program today; we look forward to a very lively discussion about one of the most contentious topics out there, vaccines, and Anthony Fauci’s role in all of this.
Now, listen, this is a topic that really shouldn't be contentious at all, right? Vaccines are a matter of science and therefore, we should be able to add up the risks and the benefits, and come out with a clear answer as to their benefits and costs. But as we now know--or which, maybe, you're about to learn--the entire field of study is shot through with the same sorts of misinformation and disinformation that infected the tobacco debate for so many decades; in other words, there's good data, there's murky data, and there's entirely missing data; and, of course, fake data all swirled together with billions of advertising dollars and active campaigns to demonize anybody who dares to question the corporate and state narratives. Those are most easily characterized as, "Vaccines are always good."
Now, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., he has a BA from Harvard; he's attended the London School of Economics; a JD from the University Of Virginia; and an LLM, which is an advanced law degree, from Pace University. He's the third of 11 children of Senator and Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy, the nephew of Joseph, John, and Ted Kennedy. Mr. Kennedy, welcome so much to the program. It's great to have you here.
Robert Kennedy Jr: Thank you for having me, Chris.
Chris Martenson: Well, listen, let's just dive right in here today. Tell us how you get started working in vaccines?
Robert Kennedy Jr: I got started--my profession is environmental law litigation, and I ran and helped found the biggest water protection group in the world, which is Waterkeeper; we have 350 Waterkeepers patrolling waterways; each one has a patrol boat and they have a full-time paid Waterkeeper, and so we patrol the waterways. In the early 2000s, I had about 40 lawsuits going against cement kilns and coal-burning power plants in North America and the province of Canada and the United States, and we were suing--many people were selling coal plants at that time, but we were suing them because of mercury emissions. In 2003, the FDA did a study that showed that every freshwater fish in America now had dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh and we were living kind of in a science fiction nightmare in our country, where my children and the children of virtually every other American could now no longer engage in the seminal primal activity of American youth, which is to go fishing with their father mother in the local fishing hole--and come home and eat the fish.
We were litigating against someone during that period, and I was speaking around the country, and increasingly, these women started showing up at my speeches, occupying the front rows and afterwards, it turned out they were the mothers of intellectually-disabled children. And they would come up to me afterward and say to me, kind of in a vaguely, scolding respectful way, "If you're really concerned about mercury exposures to children, you need to look at vaccines." And it was an area that I did not want to get into; I had to be dragged kicking and screaming. But a woman named--a psychologist named Sarah Bridges--came to my home in Massachusetts on the Cape in the summer of 2005; she had a son who had was perfectly healthy and who had gotten severe autism from a mercury vaccine and he got a $20 million dollar judgment from the vaccine court acknowledging that his injury was from the vaccine. And she didn't want it happening to other children; she came to my house with a big pile of scientific studies about 18 inches deep, and she said--she put them on my front porch and she said, "I’m not leaving here until you read these"
I’m very accustomed to reading the science, I’m an environmental litigator; I’ve brought hundreds and hundreds of cases, almost all of them have involved some kind of scientific controversy, and so I know how to read science, I know how to read it critically. And I began going through these documents and reading the abstracts, and I was just stuck, before I was even three or four inches down, by the huge delta between what the public health agencies were telling us about vaccine safety and what the actual peer-reviewed science was saying. And then I did what I normally do which is to start calling the regulators, people like Anthony Fauci--I knew all these people because my family was part of the public health infrastructure in our country for 50 or 60 years; my uncle was the Chair of the Senate Health Committee, and the big institutions at NIH are named for my family, the Kennedy Krieger Institute, the Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute; my family started the Special Olympics. I grew up in this space.
It was something I didn't want to do, but I was able to call these people and to ask them about what I was seeing in the science, and it quickly became clear to me that the primary regulators in our country, people like Anthony Fauci, and Francis Collins, Kathleen McCormick from Iowa, from the Institute of Medicine; Marie McCormick, Kathleen Stratton from the National Academy of Sciences, the people who were the primary regulator for vaccines--and Paul Offit--often either had not read or were not conversant with the science and they were just repeating these orthodoxies, or they knew about the science and they were lying in some cases--and particularly with Paul Offit, I caught him in just a glaring lie and at that point I was like, "Wow, this is really horrible because these kids are getting destroyed."
And that kind of sucked me into the vortex--and somebody asked me yesterday, somebody, I was in Inside Edition--I don't know if they even put the clip on Inside Edition--they didn't put this one on, but the reporter said to me, "Have you made a lot of profits from your vaccine advocacy?" And I said, "I’ve made the opposite of profits from my vaccine advocacy, is it destroyed my career, it's cost me probably 80 percent of my income, and a lot of friendships, a lot of political contacts and allies all over the world that are gone--a lifetime of investment that I’ve lost because of it." But as you know, once you start looking at the science, once you start seeing these children and understanding what's really happening, you don't really have a choice.
Chris Martenson: No, and I mean... what do I say? Thank you for your service. I know the cost has been high. I even saw in 2018... I guess it was--let me look up--there was an article written by relatives of yours titled, "RFK Jr. Is Our Brother and Uncle. He's Tragically Wrong About Vaccines." I mean this has hit you very close to home, your advocacy.
Robert Kennedy Jr: Yeah.
Chris Martenson: And so, when you say you caught this gentleman in a big lie and this woman came to you and she got a $20 million judgment out of the vaccine injury pool, what was the lie and how does somebody win a judgment if there isn't actual evidence?
Robert Kennedy Jr: With what?
Chris Martenson: How would somebody even win a judgment if there isn't actual evidence?
Robert Kennedy Jr: There's evidence in the vaccine court, it's just very limited; you can't do the discovery or otherwise, they'd be dead.
Chris Martenson: You can't do discovery?
Robert Kennedy Jr: No, there's no discovery in the vaccine; the real defendants, which the vaccine companies are not even part of the proceedings, you can't subpoena them, you can't do the discovery; you just basically have to go in and show that--I mean the way people went in the vaccine court is they have children, they have photographs, they have videos of their kids the day before they got the vaccine blowing out candles on birthday cakes, playing with other children, using language in some cases, they have hundreds and hundreds of words. And then, three months after the vaccine, usually, it takes half of the vaccine that usually, characteristically, they would get a spike of fever that night, would have seizures; and then over the next three months, they lose their brain function, they lose their capacity to offer social interaction; they begin engaging in stereotypical behavior like stimming, head-banging, screaming, toe-walking, all of those kind of things; and they can't look you in the eye anymore, and they lose all their language and they lose toilet training, et cetera.
And this is, like I say, it's characteristic because you hear it from--I’ve literally heard it without hyperbole from thousands of mothers, that exact same sequence. And so, that's what Sarah Bridges was able to go into the vaccine court with videos of her child before and after, and also very good medical records that showed the seizures and showed the cascade of sequelae that occurred immediately after the vaccine--and that's what you have to do. A lot of the vaccine injuries have these long incubation periods, long diagnostic horizon, food allergies, for example, are mostly virtually certainly coming from the vaccines; this wave tsunami of food allergies after 1989--1989 was the change over here, that's when it started to hit. Before that, kids are pretty safe if grew up prior to 1989--you didn't see diabetes, you didn't see rheumatoid arthritis, you didn't see food allergies, you didn't see seizures and epilepsy, Tourette Syndrome nobody ever heard of it--TICS, narcolepsy, all of the lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, all of that stuff began and autism went from 1 in 10,000 in my generation--which it still is--I’ve literally never met--I grew up on a spear tip of people with intellectual disabilities and I have never met anybody my age with full-blown autism, it essentially does not exist--
In my kids’ generation, it's 1 in 22 boys. The most recent CDC data from New Jersey, which is always the place where they do the--the first set of data comes from new jersey and then they move out to the other states--the most recent data from New Jersey now shows one in 12 boys--this is a crisis that dwarfs COVID-19. COVID-19 killed people when they were 84 years old; killed people with extensive comorbidities; but autism is affecting the young and all these other diseases which went from--when Tony Fauci came in in '68, 6 percent of American children had chronic disease; by 1986, by the time we passed the act, it was 11.8 percent; today, it's 54 percent. This makes COVID-19 look like a bump in the road; the catastrophe of chronic disease in our children is a much, much greater national crisis.
But, of course, Tony Fauci has played a key role in causing this crisis; it's his agency that is creating these products and that is making sure that the science is contaminated, and anybody who tries to do this science is punished. Here's what people don't understand and I want to say this, Chris: my book on Tony Fauci comes out in August, it's called The Real Tony Fauci, and I would urge your followers and the people who are listening to this to go out and buy it. 100 percent of my profits go back to Children's Health Defense, and we need to get 10 or 20,000 people buying this book. I think we're up over 10,000 today because then the New York Times has to put it on the bestseller list; Amazon has to put it on, which is going to really grudge them. But if you want to do something for the movement--something small, but something important--go on to Amazon now and buy that book, it's called The Real Tony Fauci.
And I go in and do a deep dive on Tony Fauci and Bill Gates: it's called The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health, and I do a deep dive on his life, his career; and how these men, really working with the intelligence agencies, orchestrated this lockstep imposition of totalitarianism on not only in this country, but all across the world, all simultaneously and people like you and me look at what's happened and said, "How did they do this all at once and how did they all know what to do?" And it was very, very heavily orchestrated and I lay out exactly how they planned it.
And one of the things they did--I mean the key thing they did was people know about this simulation, Event 201, that seemed--it was Gates's simulation--that seemed to perfectly predict everything that was going to happen. Well, they started doing those simulations in the year 2000 before the anthrax attacks; three months before the anthrax attacks, they did one that predicted the anthrax attack and it turns out the anthrax attacks, which they blamed on Saddam Hussein, and we used that as justification to invade Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11, had nothing to do with anthrax attacks, but they wanted to invade Iraq.
And it turns out, ultimately, the FBI figured out that that came from--that that anthrax did not come from Saddam Hussein, it came from a US Army lab, one of three labs; and the most likely lab, the FBI figured out, was a lab that was connected to both Tony Fauci and Robert Kadlec; it was the _____ [00:17:12] lab and it was connected to a vaccine company called BioPort owned by a family called the El-Hibri; it's now called Emergent, and it was the biggest producer of vaccines during COVID. So, this family, the El-Hibris, who were very, very closely connected with Anthony Fauci, he was their patron and Robert Kadlec was their patron, and they had deep connections to the Joint Chief and to the CIA, and they are the most--they were on the FBI suspect at that time. The crime was never solved; the FBI suddenly and mysteriously dropped the investigation.
What they did was they started doing these simulations, and the simulations would simulate a pandemic, but they didn't do the things you would want them to do in a pandemic, like how do you fix the VAERS system, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, so that we know that when we have a hastily-created vaccine, we can get signals to see if it's injuring people, we can compare all the different vaccines to see which one of them has the worst safety signals for the different age groups, and that's what they ought to be doing; they didn't talk about how do you isolate the sick, which is the obvious--let's have isolation hospitals. So, when an older person gets sick, you put them in that hospital, you don't put them back in the nursing home where they're going to infect and kill everybody in there.
They didn't talk about how do you create a communications infrastructure between frontline doctors all over the world, so that when they're developing all these different treatments and therapies, when they figure out, "Well, the respirators are actually killing people," and early treatment with either mectin, or steroids, or all the other things that you talk about is actually working really well, "Prophylactically, these are working..." None of that. They didn't talk about how you strengthen people's immune systems or how we stockpile vitamin D; they didn't talk about any of the things that you would want them to be planning.
Bill Gates and Fauci are constantly talking about how they saw this coming and they warned the world. Really? If you saw it coming, why didn't you prepare us for it? Why didn't you do the things? The only thing that they modeled--and that we've now been able to dig up--about 20 of these simulations, and everyone does the same thing: they passed the message that you need a militarized response to pandemic, it's the only response that works; it's you have to impose censorship, you have to stop people from talking, you have to silence the public; you have to do social distancing which is a way of fragmenting societies and destroying unit cohesion, of destroying morality, you have to shut down businesses to completely disable society; you have to put everybody under house arrest and induce this kind of psychological state, which the intelligence agencies called Stockholm Syndrome, where the captive people become grateful to their captors, where they empathize and identify with them, and where they reach the understanding that the only way out of it and back to safety--the only way to survive--is through absolute obedience to their captors.
And all of these were psychological warfare techniques that were being drilled again, and again, and again. There's a very famous experiment that was apparently financed by the CIA back in the '60sm, it was called the Milgram Experiment. There was a Yale sociologist called Stanley Milgram and he got a lot of volunteers from all walks of life--some were college professors, construction workers, they deliberately look for every tier of society. And he would put them in a room with a man with a white lab coat on who seemed like he was in a position of authority, and he would instruct the volunteer to electrocute an actor who was out of sight in the next room; and they were told that if they turn that dial up to the red zone, 450 V, they might kill him and they would give them escalating shocks. And to many of these people, it was against all of their consciences, some of them would be crying and they'd be begging not to have to do the electrician; but when the doctor ordered them, "You have to do it," they turned it up and 67 percent of them turned it up into the death zone.
And what Milgram concluded was that authority trumps conscience; and you can get 67 percent of the American people to do anything you want; if you dress somebody in a white lab coat, call them a doctor, and order them to do it, they will violate their conscience. And what they drilled was essentially a coup d’état against American democracy. None of these simulations talk about how do you preserve the constitution during a pandemic--and I’ll point out: there is no pandemic exception to the US constitution, and it's not because the framers did not know about pandemics because there was a pandemic during the Revolutionary War that sidelined the Army of New York New England--the Patriot Army, George Washington’s army for three months. They knew that pandemics could be dangerous to a society but they did not put an exemption into the constitution.
The people who were running these exercises, and they ended up using Bill Gates and Fauci as front men, but it was really the intelligence agencies, it was the CIA; the main people were involved are people who were CIA people like Tara O'Toole, and James Woolsey, and Robert or Colonel Larson, and many, many others who I name in my book, who are all intelligence agency people, who would make these planning documents; and the documents that are all about how do you get people to go along with a coup d’état against the American constitution?
And what they did was very clever: each one of these simulations gets broader and broader; and so, they begin with just the US, and then the US and Canada, and England and all the European countries are doing it simultaneously--and a lot of them were top secret, so nobody even knew about these things. Some of them involved tens of thousands of people, so they would drill all the health officials and all the states attended these at various times--firefighters, police, law enforcement, the FBI, Homeland Security--we're all involved in drilling these. And basically, once you tell people, "Here's what you do in a pandemic. We're paying you to protect us: here's the way to protect us during a pandemic. You impose censorship." And all of these people who know better, they know you're not supposed to censor in a democracy, they start doing it and they all think it's okay because they've drilled it and doing natural and participating in that drill with all of your friends and all of your colleagues doing it, it's a sign-off, it's a training exercise where they get everybody who does it, you are to sign off on the destruction of the United States constitution, and they've already practiced, and practiced, and practiced it ten times. And now, they're being told, "Here's what you do for real; this is the only way to do it," so that it was basically a way of teaching, of training the American public or key figures in our political structure, "Here's the only way to handle a pandemic: you abolish the constitution."
And what they do, they got rid of freedom of speech; and they went after freedom of religion, they shut down every church in our country for a year and kept the liquor stores open as essential businesses--all liquor stores are not in the constitution, the churches are. They got rid of jury trials, the 6th and 7th Amendments. They said if somebody who says they're part of a countermeasure hurts you if they're negligent, if they're reckless, if they give you poison--if they kill you or give you permanent neurological injury, there's nothing you can do about it, you cannot sue them; you're stuck on your own, you're self-insured.
Then they got rid of property rights it's part of the constitution; they shut down every business with no compensation, no due process. It's the takings, and yet, they were uncompensated.
So, one by one, they went through every amendment to the Bill of Rights, and they abolished them all--systematically. And they installed this kind of a government, a medical [fitocracy], a government by diktat where there's no public hearings. Usually, if you're going to have a rule like, "Everybody wears masks, everybody to social distance, everybody lock down," you have a proposed rule that's published, you have a notice and comment period where all the public can comment, make criticisms, try to make recommend changes, and then you go 90 or 60 days of that, and then you have public hearings, and you have to have an environmental impact statement that says, "Here's all the science that justifies this law. Here's what we're relying on; here's why our narrowly-tailoring at some point, it's only going to affect the people it needs to affect." And then you have a public hearing where they bring in their scientists and we get to bring our scientists, and they cross-examine ours and we cross-examine theirs; and then you have a judgment that cannot be arbitrary and capricious, it has to be rationally based on the evidence.
None of that happened. It was just a guy stood up there--Tony Fauci, who never treated a COVID patient, and he says, "Now, do what I say." And by the way, constantly changing his mind; never citing any science. "The masks don't work? Put one on, anyway." He doesn't tell us, "Why did the science change, why did your mind change?" "Never mind. Now strap on two of them." And then social distancing. If you look at these CIA manuals, that's how they destroy--all of these techniques or the techniques that the CIA uses to shatter indigenous societies, to destroy economies, demoralize people, separate them destroy any kind of organized response, and then to impose a centralized control that essentially is a colonial structure.
And if you watch, they've been planning this for 20 years and it goes back to really when I was a little boy--I was seven years old. I had come back from the Democratic Convention and been campaigning all summer with all of my brothers and sisters from my uncle, and he won the election, and Eisenhower stepped down, and on my birthday, January 17th 1961, Eisenhower gave probably the most important speech in the United States' history--and definitely the most important speech in his lifetime, which was the speech where he said America will never be destroyed by a foreign enemy, our democratic institutions will be liquidated by malefactors of great wealth and the military-industrial complex, because we've given too much power to this; if we let them keep going, they're going to destroy our democracy.
My uncle spent three years fighting his own brass, all the war hawks who surrounded him, refusing to put combat troops into Vietnam; they wanted a quarter million, he put 16,000 advisors and none of them with authority to fight, and he refused to do it, he refused to put them in Laos. Eventually, he was killed and Johnson made the Vietnam War and put in half a million people and it became a US war; and my father then ran in '68 against that war and he was killed. The military won--the military-industrial complex of contractors and all that.
And something happened in 1988, the Berlin Wall comes down, the Soviets folded in, and we're all told, "Now, you're going to get your peace dividend; now the billion-dollar stealth bomber that couldn't fly in the rain,all that money is going to go to schools, and to roads, and to hospitals, and healthcare, and to police protection and we are going to build a city on a hill," and America was supposed to be the shining Alabaster exemplar of what democracy can mean to the rest of the world. And there were people within the military-industrial complex who heard that and they said, "That money, those peace dividends coming from our pockets." And in 1993, we had the first World Trade Center attack, that's five years later, and all that money that was headed towards the peace dividend, the brakes were put on and it started going to fighting terrorism.
And then, in 2001, the World Trade Center--I don't think it's over--we became a national security state with those guys running it; and three weeks after that attack, on 10/4, October 4th, we had the anthrax attacks. If you think about terrorism, it was a perfect solution, kind of a very elegant solution for the military-industrial complex because it's a much more reliable enemy than the Soviets, because terrorism is not a nation that is going to give up, it's a tactic that is going to be there forever. So, Cheney called it The Long War, and said we're going to be fighting it in 50 nations around the world.
But it had one glaring defect, which is it didn't really kill that many people. Terrorism, since 9/11, has killed fewer Americans annually than lightning strikes; it's difficult to justify this huge diversion of so much of our gross natural product to such a meager, anemic threat. But they understood from the beginning on that germs are a much better threat, more credible threat than Islamic terrorists because a germ can get into everybody in America. Islamic terrorists can kill and destroy one building with an airliner, maybe 10 or 20; and a germ can get into everybody's home and kill every American. So, if you really want a wellspring of terror in order to justify the imposition of totalitarian controls and huge diversions to the security industry and the military industry, germs are it.
And it'll also justify--it's also the key to our foreign policy. Foreign policy, during World War II, we signed the Atlantic Charter; we made the allies and Britain reluctantly signed the Atlantic Charter, which told all those nations, "You've got to get out of your colonial possessions; you need to let people rule themselves." Churchill did not want to sign it; FDR made him do it. And so, after the war, the nationalist liberation movements and the Atlantic Charter forced Europe to leave behind its colonies which was the major source of their wealth.
But those colonies in Africa, Asia, and Latin America then became subject to the dissolved colonialism, which was mainly a US project. So, we had our CIA, our intelligence agencies in those countries helping out any dictator who proved his anti-communist bona fides by allowing US corporations to come in and strip the country of their natural resources. And so, we had, by the time of the Soviet Union collapsed, we had 655 bases around the world and most of these were developing world countries--any country we had a base, we had our multinational US corporations in there getting their oil, their coal, their minerals, their lumber, their agricultural produces.
And then the walls collapse and there's no longer a justification for us being in those countries; and beginning around 2003, President Bush and subsequently, President Obama declared that biosecurity would be the now the spear tip of American foreign policy; and of course, biosecurity is perfect because it weaponizes vaccines, it allows us to justify our presence--our kind of quasi-military presence--in all of these countries; money flows to the governments of those countries, et cetera, which, again, allows the pharmaceutical industry, which is now the booming industry to go in and do what they want: they dump their drugs; virtually all of their Phase 3 trials are now in Africa and Asia where they develop these new drugs by testing them on poor Africans, and then market them to the European and the US countries.
So, that basically is... these are the kind of structures, the architecture that I talk about in this book, and I show how Tony Fauci played a key role, and Bill Gates working together, in creating these infrastructures and getting control of the World Bank, the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum, and getting basically bios from SEPI, from GAVI, from PATH, from all of these quasi-governmental agencies that Gates has created in order to legitimize his imperialism around the globe--his medical imperialism.
Chris Martenson: What a fantastic summary you just gave. I have many questions. The first would be I’m curious if there are any laws in the United States against weakening, subverting, or otherwise undermining the nation and its prime laws? I thought for sure, there must be some laws.
Robert Kennedy Jr: Yeah, I mean we have the US constitution and you're not allowed to undermine it. But that's the whole thing, the beauty of saying it's an emergency, it's very difficult to challenge any of this stuff with a legal case. I mean we're working on it, and there are ways to do it, and we are doing it. We are going to bring these cases--we're already bringing them, but there's not a... it's tricky.
Chris Martenson: Robert, what if we found out the Russians were harming our children by the tens of thousands?
Robert Kennedy Jr: Well, listen, I’ve dealt with a dilemma for years because US industry--the coal-burning power plants--have been poisoning Americans for decades in a way that if a foreign enemy did it to us, it would be an act of war--I mean poisoning every fish in America with mercury? If a foreign country did that to us, we would have boots on the ground and nukes in the air going after them. If it's a couple of coal robber barons, there's nothing you can do about it.
Chris Martenson: Now, you mentioned at the beginning, your book actually has a very big subtitle and it's talking about actually a more global reach. So, I understand that the threats and assaults to the United States constitution, but my question is this: I was profoundly confused by--so, Taiwan had no problem confronting COVID, right? They rallied, they did smart things, they basically tamped it down--very smart people, a lot of PhDs over there. Then I watch this Mayor of Puerto Valles in Brazil; and he decides, "To heck with all that garbage; I’m going to give my people early access to Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine," and he has a death rate that just plummets. He gets re-elected with 98 percent of the vote. I thought one politician in some country in the West would have said, "That looks cool; maybe I should do that too." But I didn't see it: nobody from Finland stepped up, nobody from Poland, nobody from the United States; no governor stood up and said, "That looks cool."
This thing you talk about, how is it so powerful that every single politician basically ignored what I think would have been a winning platform?
Robert Kennedy Jr: Because they have such a sophisticated architecture for controlling politicians; and I talked about some of this just now. There are many, many others: first of all, you have the entire press that's against you, that's funded by the pharmaceutical companies are now $9.4 billion annually in advertising--in direct-to-consumer advertising; you have the entire medical establishment that is controlled by Tony Fauci globally, about 300,000 people globally who are receiving NIH funding annually. So, what Tony Fauci does, he actually gives away 13 times what Bill Gates gives away to every year; he's turned his agency, which was supposed to tell us, "Here's where all these diseases, these chronic diseases are coming from; here's why autism has gone from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 22; here's why food allergies suddenly appeared; here's why all these autoimmune diseases suddenly appeared." We know it's an environmental toxin and our genes don't cause epidemics--they can provide a vulnerability, but you need an environmental toxin, and there's an unlimited number of things that came along in 1989 were ubiquitous--and in fact, there's a toxicologist called _____ [00:42:41] who made a sort of an exhaustive list of the things, that they could be glyphosate, pesticides, neonicotinoid pesticides, BFOA, flame retardants, ultrasound, cell phones, emails--I think there are 11 things on the list that came along in '89, that affected on people from Cubans in Miami, the Inuit in Homer, Alaska, and that impact--you also have to look at something that impacts boys disproportionately to girls because the boys particularly with a neurological injury, it's about a 4:1 rate and there's only a limited number of toxins--mainly metals--that do that. Mercury, particularly, does that, but also aluminum can do that as well.
So, this is what Fauci should be doing, but he will not allow anybody to do that science. He has 6.1 billion that he gets from us, the taxpayer, and he has another 1.6 billion that he gets from the military, and that's why he does all that gain-of-function study because he needs to be doing bio-weapon studies to keep the military pumping of this money into him that began right after the anthrax attacks; and he turned that agency, after the anthrax attacks, into a militarized bioweapons response, what they call --_____ [00:44:15] where they're developing--using gain-of-function studies to develop-- supposedly develop--vaccines, but they're actually developing bioweapons, and that's why the military continues to pour money into him.
So, what he does is he uses that money--here's what he does--and he's turned that agency into an incubator for the pharmaceutical industry--this is a very simple schematic of how it works. His laboratory it's filled with Petri dishes with all the viruses in them--the Coxsackie virus, Coronavirus, flu, et cetera. Tens of thousands of Petri dishes. He takes molecules of poisons--or existing drugs--and he drips them into that petri dish until he finds something that kills all the coronaviruses in that petri dish; and he'll take that poison, and he'll give it to rats. And if it doesn't kill the rats, but it does kill the coronavirus, now he's got a potential drug.
He then farms that out for Phase 1 trials, which is basically animal trials and very small human trials, to what they call PIs, principals investigators. Who are the PIs? These are the key people; these are the entire profession of virology; this is why none of the virologists in the world spoke up over an entire year; they all knew that Coronavirus was lab-generated--they knew it without any doubt--none of them talked about it. Why? Because they're all on Tony Fauci’s payroll. Here's what he does: and these are his PIs, his principal investigators: they are the deans of the medical schools, they're chairmen of the departments in the medical schools, the most powerful doctors in America; they're the ones who've done clinical trials for the pharmaceutical industry and for Tony Fauci.
He'll give that doctor for the Phase 1 trial, money to recruit a hundred patients; for every one of those patients, he gives the doctor between 15 and $20,000 each. The university takes skims half of that money off, so now, the university is also involved in this conflict. And then he goes to Phase 2--if it works on those people, it goes to Phase 2 trials. And now, they're getting thousands of patients in, and you're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars that are flowing from Fauci.
If that works, they go to Phase 3, and then at that point, they sell it to a pharma company--to Gilead, to Johnson & Johnson, to Mercks, to Glaxo. They come in and they do the Phase 3 trial with the PIs; so, the PI is out making a lot of money, plus the PI gets part of the patent. The university owns a share of the patent. Tony Fauci's agency can take a share of the patent and he can give patent shares to anybody he likes in his agency. With the Moderna vaccine, he gave those patent chairs to six of his deputies and buys their loyalty, so now, they get from Modern vaccine 150 grand a year each for the rest of their lives, and that's how he keeps everybody from talking.
So, the universities are now completely dependent on him--Harvard, Columbia, Berkeley, Baylor and all of these universities and their medical schools, they're getting hundreds of millions annually from NIH and Tony Fauci. Let's say there's a young doctor at that university who is naive, who just got his assistant professor posting there and he says, "You know what? I’ve noticed that we have these big databases from all the HMOs, they have the vaccine records for every child down to batch of every medical claim for those children; and you could do a cluster analysis and you could see whether the vaccine is causing diabetes, or arthritis, or autism. Weirdly, nobody’s ever done that study. But I’m going to do it, I’m going to be famous because this is very exciting."
As soon as he proposes, the Dean of that university is going to get a call from one of Fauci's deputies that says, "If you let this clown do this study, we are going to bankrupt you; you will never get another dime from NIH," and that's how he controls all the medicine--if 300,000 of these people around the world. And then they work in tandem with the Gates Foundation, which has given away 7 percent a year, it has to of $50 billion; and with the Wellcome Trust, which is the UK version of the Gates Foundation. And the head of the Wellcome Trust is Jamie Farrar, who's in all these Fauci emails. Jamie Farrar is probably--the Head of the Wellcome Trust is the Chair of MI6, so the Wellcome Trust is an intelligence agency asset.
And you can go online and you can find videos that the CIA makes to recruit biologist--biologists around the world who are going from country to country, they are a prime target for the CIA; and the CIA actually makes videos saying, "If you're a biologist and you're studying in other countries, we want you to work with us," and then they sign a secret contract and then the CIA owns them. So, the CIA has 4.8 million state secret contracts with American citizens who are now CIA assets who are never allowed to talk about it; if they talk about it, they face a 20-year sentence--if they even admit they signed that contract, their special secret courts, you're not allowed an attorney; they can strip you all your money and put you in jail for 20 years and nobody ever hears from you again.
And so, Jamie Farrar, his father was in the intelligence agencies, I think he was killed by--I may be mistaken, but I may be mistaken but I think he was killed by _____ [00:51:21]. But the head of Wellcome is in the intelligence agencies and Farrar is the guy who, in ... I think it was 2005, he's the one who invented the Bird Flu epidemic which never killed anybody, but a pandemic. The WHO declared it a pandemic; on his word, it killed one person, and the vaccine companies made $20 million--no, no, it was billions of dollars. So, it was Glaxo is the one that funded the Wellcome Trust, that's Glaxo money. And Glaxo is very tied in with the British government.
So, those are the characters: you have Bill Gates; you have Jamie Farrar who runs Wellcome; and then you have Fauci, and then you have Robert Kadlec who is kind of the--he's another Fauci, but he was running the COVID response for Trump, and he's the one who created all of these simulations, he was the author of virtually all of them. And so, that's how it happened, Chris, that's how they did it to us. And I go into much more detail--and I think, much more convincing detail--in my book.
But again, what I would ask your followers is do your Christmas shopping now, go out and buy this book. Again, I make no money on it; 100 percent of my profits goes to Children's Health Defense, so you can do something good for Children's Health Defense which funds our lawsuits against these guys, but you also can stick it to Amazon and stick it to the New York Times and the people who don't want to see this book succeed. So, go out, buy it, and do your part.
And Chris, thank you so much for having me.
Chris Martenson: Well, thank you so much for all of that. And what you're describing--last question, is this just about money, is that what this is?
Robert Kennedy Jr: Nothing's just about money; because people don't care--Bill Gates doesn't care about money. The people who accumulate money--but if you're accumulating money beyond the amount of food you can eat, the amount of sex you can have, the amount of shelter that you need, the nice places you can go, even spending the interest on his money as fast as he's going to, he could never, never spend all the money that he has. People accumulate money because they want power; they want power first over their own lives, they want to be able to control things that threaten them, that they eat, their pleasure, et cetera. But then they continue to accumulate money because they want more power, they want power over other human beings.
And there's nothing that gives you more power over other human beings, that justifies it, than medical imperialism. Because if you have a medical justification, you can go into people's most private contexts, you can force them to take medical interventions that they don't want, you can control them, you can tell them, "Don't leave your house; shut down your business; do what you're told, don't ask questions, don't talk or we're going to censor you. Put a mask on your face," there's no other thing that gives you more power than that kind of medical imperialism. There's nobody in history who's had the amount of power that Tony Fauci and Bill Gates have over humanity.
And so, I would say, no, people don't care about currency--money is just currency--what they care about is power to control other human beings.
Chris Martenson: Well said. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., thank you for your time today. The book is The Real Anthony Fauci, coming out in August; we're going to pre-buy that, make sure we get that on the best-seller list. Thank you so much for your time today and most importantly, for your work and trying to make things better for all of us. Thank you, sir.
Robert Kennedy Jr: Thank you, Chris.