In this very special podcast, I interview Professor Mattias Desmet who discusses his work that connects past historical episodes of what is called “Mass Formation” (aka Mass Psychosis) and current events. We are on a dark path, fueled by dim actors who are pulling on our emotional strings to create fear and isolation in order to push their agenda of technocratic control of our lives, dreams of transhumanism, and using vaccine passports as a first step on a path to overt totalitarianism.

The risks are as grave as they come. Unless a few brave and courageous people are willing to stand up and say “I don’t agree!” history suggests that we will end up somewhere we deeply regret.

We’re on a dark path. One that historially has lead to human misery and mass atrocities. Eventually all totalitarian systems end in their own destruction.

My position is “it doesn’t have to be this way.” We can do better. Let’s avoid a future of atrocities and the complete destruction of our way of life. Unfortunately, those caught up in the Mass Formation event cannot see the larger or wider implications of their actions. They are very much like a hypnotized person with their field of view narrowed down to a singular threat or risk they have been told is the one-and-only threat they must conquer.

So all of their attention goes there. It focusses down. Nothing else matters. Eventually they transfer their anger and rage at that enemy – which is Covid today – upon a more relatable a nearby object. Perhaps their neighbor. Perhaps the unvaccinated. Perhaps immigrants who are stealing their jobs, or those who aren’t taking Climate Change seriously enough.

With that transference, the path has been laid to re-trod some of the most awful and inhumane periods of history. We’re there again and our own integrity demands that we do what we can to avoid going any further down that path.

In this episode Mattias tells us what can be done. We must never resort to violence. We must be courageous and speak up. We must hold everyone with compassion. But most of all, we must speak up.

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Chris Martenson [00:00:00] Welcome everyone to this show, I am your host, Dr. Chris Martenson. And today's show is going to be one of the most important you'll watch this year. I've spent pretty much the past two years covering the science of COVID. Well, today we're going to cover the psychology of COVID. More specifically, the ways in which many societies and cultures around the world, principally countries holding Western values I've noticed have overreacted, have under reacted and have sometimes even dangerously fallen into what might be called mass psychosis or more accurately, mass formation. During such moments, mental health declines. Societies can do great harm to themselves and to others as they irrationally overreact to perceived and sometimes entirely imaginary threats. Today's guest is Professor Mattias Desmet of Ghent University, who's one of the leading expert voices on this specific topic. In addition to being a lecturing professor in clinical psychology at Ghent University, he holds a master's degree in statistics. Professor Desmet, I know you're a busy man these days. Thank you so much for taking the time to be with us and welcome to the show.

Mattias Desmet [00:01:09] You're welcome. It's a pleasure to be here.

Chris Martenson [00:01:13] Well, it really is an honor to have you here, and I want to get right into it. So the psychology of COVID, let's talk if we could. From your own perspective, what was your history with COVID interrupted around the world in January of 2020? How long was it before you became concerned, maybe, that we weren't really following the science?

Mattias Desmet [00:01:35] No, well. At the end of February 2020, I wrote my first opinion paper in which in which I want Uran, Belgium. It was an opinion paper written in Dutch in which I warned that the anxiety for the fight for a virus could be more dangerous than the virus itself. That was the title of the opinion paper, and it shows I think it's good to be entirely honest and open to you, I. From the beginning, I took a critical perspective, so from the beginning I had the feeling. I studied the figures into statistics and I noticed immediately. Or at least I had the impression immediately that the dangerousness of the virus was overestimated. When I studied the mortality rates, the infection fatality rate, the case fatality rate, also the models of issued by Imperial College in London, which were the basis of the corona measures worldwide, I think, or at least in Europe and in the states. When I studied all these figures, graphs, statistics and the mathematical models, I immediately had the impression that the dangerousness of the virus was overestimated. And in my opinion, by the end of May 2020, this was proving beyond doubt. For instance, the mathematical models of Imperial College predicted that in a country such as Sweden, about 80,000 people would die in Sweden. Of course, there's a very interesting case because it was exceptional in its in the corona measures it took because it didn't go with the lockdown strategy and the and stuff. So but by the end of May, according to the models, by the end of May 2020, at least 80,000 people should have died in Sweden and by the end of May 2020, only 6,000 people died of COVID in Sweden. And these 6,000 that that figure of 6,000 was even reached with the very enthusiastic counting methods that were used in the COVID crisis. I often use that word enthusiastic because indeed, when the people dying from the flu or counted, they usually they are counted in a much more conservative way. But anyway, by the end of May 2020, you had the feeling that for me, it was proven beyond doubt if we looked at the figures in the state and the stats and the models in this crisis that the danger in this had been dramatically overestimated of the virus. And I noticed quite some of the things as well, for instance, that at the moment it became clear that the initial mathematical models overrated the mortality rate of the virus or the mortality of the virus. At the moment, it became clear one would expect that a narrative, a corona narrative that is based and that claims to be to have a scientific basis or to have a do to be based on scientific models, you would expect that at the moment it becomes clear that the models were wrong, that at that moment, the narrative and all the measures, the strategy that is based on the narrative would be corrected. Of course, but that didn't happen. The narrative continued as if the models were right and the corona measures. The reaction to the coronavirus remained, by and large, the same around the world. So that was one thing that was very striking to me that at that moment, and also even more important, I think I noticed that in one way or another, all the attention, the attention of the population of the entire society was really focused on one point in the world on the danger of the corona virus of the good on the casualties, which the victims that could be claimed by the coronavirus. And it seemed as if all the rest did not exist anymore. For instance, from the beginning of the crisis, the United Nations and several other large international institutions warned us that the number of people starving or dying from hunger in developing countries as a consequence of the lockdown strategies could be far higher and might probably be far higher than the number of people than the number of victims the virus could carry could claim, even if no measures were taken at all. So, on the one hand, you have the danger of the virus. On the other hand, you have the collateral damage that can be caused by the corona strategy, and it seemed as if nobody really succeeded or in general, the population and the governments and stuff did not manage to take both sources of danger into account. At any time we've seen in the in the mainstream media, really, a comparison of, the number of people that could die from the virus and the number of people that could die from the from the from the corona measures, so that actually in itself is the most basic thing we should a society should consider. If you think about remedies for a disease, then the first thing you think about or you or you try to know is whether the remedy will not be worse than the than the than a disease. And that didn't happen. So in one way or another, it seemed that people were so focused. The attention of people are so focused and so limited to a two to one specific limited aspect of reality that they didn't see the other aspects of reality anymore. And that was the moment around may and May 2020, I really started to shift the perspective and to think in the beginning of the crisis, I think that I took the first that I in the first place took a statistical perspective. I started to study the numbers to study the graphs and so on. And then from May 2020 onwards, I had the feeling that that the the core of the problem was not situated at the level of was not the biological problem, but that it was a psychological problem. And from then on, I started to think about how I could understand what was happening in society. How was it possible that a society went through a process like this or didn't see anymore that in many respects, the way we behaved was absurd and counterproductive, and that took me a few months before I could really, in my opinion, hit the nail and started to understand that what was that? What was happening in society was a large scale process of crowd formation or mass formation as they as they as we sometimes call it, in psychology or in social psychology and looking well, when I think about it now, it seems strange to me that it took me so long because I had been lecturing on this process for quite some years before, and it shows me, I think, how difficult it is if an entire population or entire society has grasped in a certain strong psychological process how difficult it is as an individual to step back and to look from a distance and to understand why this happened. So but around in August 2020, I wrote an opinion paper on mass formation, and that was the moment when I really started to understand what was happening in the at the psychological level. I think. Maybe it would be good if I describe this process of mass formation a little bit.

Chris Martenson [00:09:29] Absolutely. Let's talk about what what is it? How does it get started?

Mattias Desmet [00:09:33] Yes, it's at something that that emerges in a society in very specific conditions are met. For instance, the first and most crucial condition is that there should be a lot of people who experience a lack of social bonds. So that is the most important thing in life.

Chris Martenson [00:09:51] What do you mean by lack of social bonds?

Mattias Desmet [00:09:52] Lack of social bond? People should experience a lack of connectedness with other people and lack of connectedness with other people.

Chris Martenson [00:10:00] But could you could you theoretically feel a lack of connectedness even though you're surrounded by people?

Mattias Desmet [00:10:05] Oh, yes, of course. Of course. OK, so

Chris Martenson [00:10:07] this isn't just physical isolation, like in a.

Mattias Desmet [00:10:09] Oh no, no, no, not at all. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So that means that it means it's people. People feel lonely and isolated in one way or another, not able to connect emotionally to other people. Well, that's that's essentially what the what I mean with the lack of social and it was huge in the in the years before the corona crisis. For instance, in the UK, a minister was appointed a loneliness minister just due to the focus on the problem of loneliness in society and if also in the states, the government mentioned that there was a loneliness epidemic. More than 50 percent of the people mentioned that they had no meaningful relationships at all in their life, that they only were connected, for instance, in the in the in the all through the internet or in the online world that the only that only in the virtual space. They dared to talk about their emotions and their problems, for instance, so that a possibility the loneliness was huge and that it had been increasing throughout the last decennial constantly. So, on the one hand, we have this is most crucial condition is the lack of social bond. And then a second one is also important a lack of meaning making. The second one, the lack of meaning making actually follows from the first one. If people feel disconnected, if people don't have meaningful relationships, social, if they are not embedded in a social network, then they typically will experience their life and their jobs and stuff as meaningless. That's something very typical because human beings are social beings when they lack social bond them. And also lack of feeling of or an experience of meaning and sense in life and for instance, also that can be very well illustrated through academic research. For instance. David Graeber wrote the book "Bullshit Jobs", in which he describes that 40 percent of the of the of the population had the experience in 2017, I think 40 percent of the people experience their job as completely meaningless and then additional. About 20 percent, they think, experienced a strong lack of of of of meeting. And I don't know if you if you're familiar with the Gallup World poll, which found that worldwide worldwide, only 13 percent of the people reported. That they considered the job to be meaningful. Only 30 percent and 63 percent said that they experienced the job as meaningless, that they sleepwalk through the office the entire day. Just stuff like that. It shows that there was a radical lack of meaning making, for instance, at the level of the of of people's jobs. No, no, no. The terms in

Chris Martenson [00:13:06] The sense, though, if we could. This matters to me a lot as somebody who considers himself rational and scientists and all this other stuff, I've noticed that that a even prior to COVID, we were having difficulty with sense making so often a quick example. Environmental groups say we just have to decarbonize 50 percent by 2030, but as a scientist who studies energy if you just run the math, the next question is well, which half the population is going to die, in which 70 percent of the jobs should go away. And there's no connection between those things. But it's pushed as an idea. That's really important, but it doesn't ground. Is that is that where we lose our sense when we have these narratives that fundamentally don't even you can't even you can't even scratch at them with your fingernail without ruining them.

Mattias Desmet [00:13:50] Yes, there are many reasons why we experience this lack of sense making know this. This this. Lack of sense making has become stronger throughout the last two centuries, actually, at this moment, they just finished a manuscript of a book, a book in which I, in the first five chapters, describe the psychological evolutions throughout the last two centuries. And they they all like the throughout the last two centuries, the phenomenon of mass formation became increasingly strong, and it was exactly because people experienced less and less social, social and social connectedness and less and less a sense making or meaning making and lives that were two central conditions. So it's quite complicated. It's associated, I think, to the mechanistic view on men in the world, which became more and more predominant throughout the last two centuries. Yes, but actually, I'm talking now about the situation, the psychological condition of the population before the corona crisis, because you need you need these conditions in order for large scale mass formation to emerge in a society. So we had this lack of social connectedness, this lack of meaning making and the third condition is very important as well, is that there have to be high levels of free floating anxiety in the population, free floating anxiety and free floating psychological discontent. And what do I mean with free floating anxiety? Free floating anxiety is a kind of anxiety that is not connected to a mental representation, which is extremely important sometimes when you feel anxious. We know what we feel anxious for the NBC, a lie in a dog or something dangerous and we are scared. Then we know what we are anxious for. That means that the anxiety is connected to a mental representation, and that means that we can mentally control the anxiety because we know what we are scared of if we run away. We have a from the line, from the dog and so on. We have a. A certain feeling of being in control of our of our anxiety, we know what we can do to avoid the object of anxiety. But sometimes people are confronted with a kind of anxiety that is not connected to a mental representation and that is the most aversive mental state because it puts people in a situation when they feel where they feel entirely helpless because they don't know what they can run away of. And so that's extremely important.

Chris Martenson [00:16:22] Do we know? Do we know, professor that state? I'm familiar, and I've got my audience familiarized with the idea of the triune brain that we have these. Evolutionarily, we had a core brain, right? So-called the reptilian brain on top of which another structure got slapped on top of which finally, our our higher cortical thing got slapped. And it's rather like starting with the Dos Operating System and ending up with Windows. It's a poor sort of a match from time to time. Where does this free floating anxiety reside? Is this is this one of our more archaic sort of? Is this down in our emotional centers? Meaning it's it's it's somehow less subject or available to our cortical or rational centers? Where does it live in our in our brains?

Mattias Desmet [00:17:06] Hmm. I don't think it's it's something primitive. I think it's something very typical for a human being in this respect. For human beings beings, it's much more difficult than for animals to make sense of their world because they're their psychological system works. Uh, uh, through language, people use language to understand their role, and language is a system that never ends or that never leads to, um, to clear-cut interpretations of the role. And it's something typical for for for human beings. I think it's much more connected to our mental system, to the typically human mental system than to a certain archaic or old primitive reactions. But it is what in any case, it was fairly clear that just before the corona crisis, the levels of free floating anxiety were extremely high. And for instance, one out of five was diagnosed with an anxiety disorder before the crisis. One out of five one out of five. So that's huge. And that, of course, 20 percent of the people received a diagnosis of an anxiety disorder, but much more people were confronted with anxiety and even much more were confronted with psychological discontent in general. Because if you look in a country such as Belgium, for instance, which has a population of 11 million people. Each year, 300 million doses of antidepressants are used each year, 300 million doses and only antidepressants. We are not talking about antipsychotics and all kinds of other psycho pharmaceuticals. But that's huge. So. So you see that also that and also that was steeply increasing the last throughout the last decennial. Uh, so the third condition was definitely met in our society that

Chris Martenson [00:18:58] it it maybe you could answer this because this has been a huge focus of mine. What I was wondering about where the onset of depression, what was called depression was usually mid-forties. That was the average. But that bell curve is like four standard deviations, and it's all the way down in the low 20s now. And then psychologists started to realize, Oh, it's not actually depression, because that's either situational or chemical. It's very it's amenable to treatment compared to this new thing, which wasn't amenable to treatment. So they started calling it demoralization. And what caught me was that that was defined as a loss of connection between your cognitive map and the world you were actually living in anymore. Right?

Mattias Desmet [00:19:37] Yes. Yes, yes. So this is typically really that's that's something that typically leads to this free floating effect, such as free floating anxiety, frustration and so on. Yes, typically it's this disconnection indeed, between the cognitive mapping of the world and the world itself, you would say between between the symbolic entry.

Chris Martenson [00:19:56] Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's already epidemic. But even before COVID comes along and what's the fourth conditions?

Mattias Desmet [00:20:03] The first condition is that there has to be a lot of free floating aggression and frustration, and that also that follows that follows from the first three conditions. If people feel socially disconnected and they feel that their life, uh, makes no sense or has no meaning, and they are confronted with a lot of free floating anxiety and psychological discontent that is hard to control mentally, then they will typically feel frustrated in the corrosive and all that. All this free floating frustration and aggression will also be without objects. People will not know why they feel aggressive, but they will feel it or they will feel frustrated. And in this condition, something very typical typical happens. People start to look for an object of a fundamental representation to which they can connect their anxiety and their frustration. So and then if under these conditions, a narrative is distributed in society through the mass media. Indicating an object of anxiety and at the same time, providing a strategy to deal with this object of anxiety, something very specific happens something very important. All this free floating anxiety might connect to the object of anxiety indicated in the narrative, and people might be extremely willing to participate in the strategy to deal with the object of anxiety, which is indicated in the narrative. And in that way, this is the first stage that has a specific psychological advantage. All this free floating anxiety is now connected to a mental representation. So which means that people experience more psychological control in the situation and then something the next step is taken. Something happens at another level, meaning. Because. Many people participate in the same strategy to deal with the object of anxiety. A new kind of social bond emerges a new kind of solidarity, so people feel connected again in a new way, and that's that's actually that's the most crucial thing. If you look at the corona crisis and you listen, that means you listed the mainstream narrative, then you will hear that everything is about solidarity. You have to participate. You have to accept the vaccine. You have to respect social distancing because if you don't. You lack citizenship, showing us solidarity. So this is the most crucial thing, always in mass formation. So that's the real reason, the real reason why people buy into the story, even if it is utterly absurd. Is not because they believe in the narrative. It is because the narrative leads to the new social bonds. That's the very reason. And then there is a fourth advantage. All the frustration and aggression can be directed at an object, and that object is the people who, for one reason or another, do not want to participate in the mass formation. That's typically, historically diamond time again, we see the same process when a population, for instance, the really large scale mass formations as they happened during the French Revolution, which were not very large, but they were large the large scale mass formations which led to the emergence of communism and Stalinism in the Soviet Union. The large scale mass formations which led to Nazi Germany to the to the emergence of of a of the totalitarian state in Nazi Germany, they all shared the same characteristics. The population was exactly these. Four conditions were fulfilled and then a new kind of solidarity emerged and all the frustration and aggression was channeled by directing all by directing it at the at the people who who did not want to participate or who couldn't participate in the mass formation. So. And then you have this very strange situation where people start from a very negative and aversive mental state, lack of social bond, lack of meaning, making free floating anxiety and a lot of frustration and aggression. They switch from this very highly aversive mental state that was symptomatic, positive state where they feel connected. Their life makes sense because they are all life start to make sense again through this heroic struggle with the object of anxiety. People are united in their struggle against the coronavirus, for instance. So and their anxiety is connected to a mental representation, and they can satisfy that frustration of the connection. So that switch from a highly negative mental state to a positive mental state brings people in a kind of mental intoxication. People switch. They switch from this highly negative mental state to the positive mental state, which leads to a certain mental intoxication, and that's why they are doing it for their. That's why people continue to believe in the narrative, even if it is utterly absurd. And. You know, the measures the corona measures, for instance, like the social distancing, the mask wearing, the vaccination strategies, they function for a certain part of the population, and I'm talking about probably about 30 percent of the population. It's not much more than that. Only 30 percent of the population usually is really into this process of mass, what into this process of collective hypnosis. Then there are an additional 40 or 50 percent who just go along with the masks, who will never, never go against the current because in one way or another, I think it's better not to do so. And then there is an additional 20 percent, sometimes 10 percent. That depends a little bit who really is not hypnotized at all and who also wants to speak out and do something to change the situation. But the first part of the population, 30 percent who are really into the process of mask formation. Mm-Hmm. For these people do more upsurge. The measures are. The more the better they will work, the measures and the more they will be inclined to buy into the narrative that because the measures

Chris Martenson [00:26:40] Is this function, the bigger, the bigger the lie, the better.

Mattias Desmet [00:26:43] Is that what we're talking about? Yes, indeed, yes. But the measures really function as a ritual and the rituals or a kind of behavior that has to be without pragmatic meaning. And it has to demand a sacrifice of the individual by by participating in the ritual, an individual shows that the collective. Is more important than the individual, meaning that the rituals have to be a kind of behavior that is without pragmatic meaning that leads that has no advantages for four people, no pragmatic advantages and that for rich people has to sacrifice something. So that's a strange thing that for a certain part of the population, it really doesn't make a difference whether the measures are absurd or not. And that's what that's what's so strange for the people who are not in the process of mass automation because they look and they see what's happening here. Do the people not see that that's not what's going on is utterly absurd and it's even dangerous. But no, they won't be, because

Chris Martenson [00:27:50] it is brilliant. This cuts right to the core of like this is how profound it is for me. So children, not at all, really. Statistically, just not even touched by COVID, except for very few have some co-morbidities. Actually, the science says they don't really transmit COVID all that well, either, because they have such high innate immunity to this thing. And yet there are people out there saying we need our children to be masks, even though there's no science to support the idea that the mask does anything except it probably harms the child's cognitive and social development skills at a critical period of time, so people are willing ritualistically to sacrifice their children. Indeed, that's powerful to me is that we're talking about.

Mattias Desmet [00:28:29] That's what we are talking about. Yes, that's exactly what we are talking about. And that's like, yes. So this process of mass formation has some symptomatic advantages, but it has huge, huge disadvantages as well. And one of them is the first is that the field of attention really gets very narrow. People only see what the narrative indicates, and that's something typical for hypnosis as well when someone is hypnotized. He will only be aware of the part of reality, uh, the hypnotist focuses on, and that's exactly the same in the mask formation. So in my estimation, people are only aware of the part of reality, both cognitively and emotionally that is indicated by the by the hypnotizing or by that by the mass narrative. And that that's the reason why people don't seem to be aware of the of the collateral damage of the measures in one way or another. People know somewhere that there is collateral damage of measures, but it has no cognitive and emotional impact. That's the problem. It's not. It's not. There is no psychological energy attached to these mental representations, and that's why they have no impact at all.

Chris Martenson [00:29:46] So people will hear an example might be it's it's incredibly, incredibly awful. Worst thing ever that a 78 year old obese man with four other co-morbidities died of COVID. That's terrible. A 28 year old whose gym was shut down, whose livelihood went away, who fell into a deep depression and then took accidentally a fentanyl overdose and they died. We ignore that this is terrible, but that's not even doesn't even impact us.

Mattias Desmet [00:30:13] Yes, it's will have no impact. Exactly. Because. When the when all this anxiety and all this frustration and all this aggression connects to this narrative that indicates an object of anxiety, all the psychological energy is connected to this narrative and. What is not in the narrative is not, uh, is not connected to psychological energy, and that's exactly why what isn't? The things that are not indicated by the narrative have no impact. They have no emotional or cognitive impact. They exist. People hear that there is collateral damage, but it will have no impact. Now that you can understand that perfectly from a psychological perspective and also like there is a there is a second problem. Um? So the process of mass formation, crowd formation is similar, if not identical to the process of hypnosis and. It also makes that people who are grasped in the process of mass formation are not aware of the um of the egoistic disadvantages they suffered, so when someone is in mass formation, you can take everything away from this person. Even his own life, you will not notice it. You can take his health the way he has wealth away. You can take everything he might lose his future and his and his and his freedom. He will not be aware that he loses it. That's one of them. And you see exactly the same in hypnosis. The attention is so much focused on one point and through a simple, hypnotic procedure that you can cut straight through people's flesh and bones literally. With a simple, hypnotic procedure, you can make someone radically insensitive to pain. To this extent that you can perform a surgical operation on the person that you can cut straight through the breast, the person will not notice it. That shows the power of of of hypnotic procedures and also of mask formation. And that was so striking from a historical point of view, when historians saw what was happening in Nazi Germany, in the Soviet Union, they felt like they have never been. They had never seen something like that before because. Totalitarian, totalitarian state and totalitarianism is something completely different from a classical dictatorship. It's something completely different in a classical dictatorship. People are scared of the dictator because of his physical power. But in a totalitarian regime, everything starts with this process of mass formation, and it grasps people in the core of their being. It brings them under kind of hypnosis, and that makes that that a totalitarian state has an extreme power over individuals. Also over their private life and over the cognitive of conventional functioning, which is it's completely different from a from a classical dictatorship. And it's exactly because it is based on this process of mass formation or mass hypnosis.

Chris Martenson [00:33:28] I want to explore this. So the relationship hypnosis and mass formation, hypnosis at the individual level, mass formation operating at the collective level across a culture. How many people are susceptible to hypnosis? Not everybody is

Mattias Desmet [00:33:44] a lot are usually usually, I think about 80 percent of the people. It depends a little bit, depends a little bit. The extent of the depth of the hypnosis will not be the same for everyone. But in a mass formation, usually only about 30 percent of the people is really is really into the process of mass formation. Not much more.

Chris Martenson [00:34:07] OK. And for that, 30 percent, is there any relationship between intelligence and susceptibility to that?

Mattias Desmet [00:34:13] Not at all. Not at all. Really? No. And that's a strange thing. That's one of the major characteristics of of a crowd or a mass that everybody becomes as intelligent or maybe better as stupid is that they are not. And that applies to highly intelligent people that equally well as a stool, as intelligent people that has been studied in the 19th century, already very extensively. It was very clear that even the most intelligent people were completely blind and completely insensitive to rational argumentation. For instance, masses are only sensitive to strong visual images and through repetition of of time and time again, the same message, and also to to the presentation of numbers and graphs and statistics. If you if you present numbers and statistics in a visual way, they will have a huge impact on the masses.

Chris Martenson [00:35:13] And this is really near and dear to my heart because part of my work is I work with a lot of doctors who figured out early treatments, and they were very flexible and creative and they've just been shut down and squashed. I know I know people who consider themselves really intelligent, really successful individuals, also doctors who still to this day in this country. If you get COVID, you might end up in a hospital on remdesivir and a ventilator. Even though we've known for eighteen months, that's a death sentence, and it's not state of the art, and it's actually the closest thing to murder at this point, I can imagine. And I know people who will vigorously defend that that's the right thing to do because they're a doctor and they're all wrapped up in it. I don't know how. How do you mentally come back from that knowing that you've been a German in 1933 or you've been a Jacobin at the Bridge at Nantes, you know, drowning people in the French Revolution, or you've once you've once you've gone there. How do you get back?

Mattias Desmet [00:36:11] That's a very good question. So it's extremely hard to undo a process of mass affirmation that's very clear. For instance, it's. It's extremely hard to to to to to wake someone up who is in a process of massive fromation, but the Gustave Le Bon, if you're familiar with Gustaf the he wrote a very important book on mass formation in the 19th century, the psychology of the crowds. It was called and it describes already there that if the people who are not in the mass formation try to wake up the people who are in a mass formation, then they will be confronted, probably with the failure. They will be confronted with the fact that that that they are unable to to do the wake of the masses. But he says nevertheless, it is extremely important to continue to speak out because if people continue to speak out, the hypnosis might become less deep and it will become less deep. Gustave Le Bon presents several historical examples of situations in which in which people who were awake continue to speak out and prevented the masses from committing atrocities because that's typically what the masses do. Because one function of the mass formation is, um, the satisfaction of all this frustration and aggression, you know, the first condition. Masses typically typically have the intonation to show the tendency to to commit atrocities, and they typically do it, uh, being convinced that they perform an almost sacral pledge, that that is something that they do, something that is that there's a. But this is really their duty and that it has to do with the fact that people in mass formation are convinced that what they do is for the greater good, for the for for the well-being of the collective. But they forget, of course, out of this for for the well-being of a certain collective and at the disadvantage of a of a of another of another, the part of the population. But anyway, so it's hard to wake the masses up. Uh, the only thing. But but if you continue to speak, the 30 percent of the population was really into the process of mass formation. Uh, you thought you will make the hypnosis less deep in this part of the population and you might prevent the masses from it, from committing atrocities. So it's extremely important to continue to speak out. That's the most important thing, I think.

Chris Martenson [00:38:35] I want to ask a question about about the how about going about speaking up? Because if if I heard how we got into this, there was repetition, there was ritual. There was that hypnotic sort of getting people in. So we know how hypnotist wake people back up again, right? So they bring them back out into their larger out of the narrow focus out again to me. So by the way, this is my entire work in the world I was trying to like help wake us up in time to prevent those atrocities from getting worse than they've already been. So an idea I have is is to is to use repetition. And here's my here's my highest thing. If we can just back it up a bit, we can say, Listen, I'm no public health expert, but if I was one, my highest goal would be reducing mortality like my efforts either made things worse or made things better. I don't have to get involved with whether the vaccines work or people died with COVID or of COVID. Let's just back up, and I can tell you that right now in the United States, all cause mortality is running way above even last year, and it's way above where it should be. So I can say, Hey, I think we're failing at this and we should do better. That's a open question. You know, just put it out there. But if we had multiple people actually pushing on that like different, different, I know lots of other thought leaders and people have big platforms and large following. So if we all started saying that same thing, would that be more effective than. I'm just wondering, is it messaging? Would that be effective if we started pushing on one scratchy sort of a unanswerable question?

Mattias Desmet [00:40:08] Yes, that will be effective to a certain extent. I believe so, yes, definitely. OK. But we should not. We should. We should not immediately a very large expect, a very large effect. I think I think I think we'll we'll be able to wake up someone here and there. Uh, but but not not the large portions of the population, I think. But it's extremely important. That's exactly how we have to do what they're doing. Just try to talk in a nice, sincere and honest way. Mm hmm. Uh, try to continue to speak out. Uh, try to continue to make sure that there is a dissident voice and in the public space. That's extremely important because if you look historically, for instance, you can see that it was exactly at the moment that the opposition was silenced in public space, that there was no dissident voice anymore and in the in public space that the totalitarian states started to commit their absurd atrocities that happened in nineteen thirty and in, uh, the Soviet Union and around 1935 in Nazi Germany. At that moment, the opposition was completely silenced, was completely erased in public space, and at that moment, the system really turned absurd. For instance, Stalin and the Soviet Union. He started to kill no matter who. And the more he killed, he killed 50 percent of his own of his own party members, who usually hadn't done anything wrong. So and that that's something typical. I don't know if you're familiar with the work of Hannah Arendt, a German Jewish philosopher, the philosopher who wrote this wonderful book, The Origins of Totalitarianism. She says that at the moment, opposition, the opposition is radically silenced in public space at that moment. The totalitarian state becomes a monster that divorce its own children. That's exactly what she sees. The totalitarian system becomes a monster to divorce its own children at that exact moment. So that shows us, again, that something radically different from a classical dictatorship. And when a classical dictator manages to silence the opposition, they usually will become more friendly because this guy, a classical dictator, has a certain tactical awareness. He knows that at the moment he is in charge, and at the moment he really overcame all opposition. He knows that at that moment, it's important for him to show the population that he will be a good leader. That's what he realizes. But in an autocrat and a totalitarian state, which is based on this process of of of of of sleep and hypnosis, if totalitarian leaders are not aware or do not have the the the uh. The brains at that moment to just know that it will be to their own disadvantage if they continue to commit atrocities, but that's exactly what they do. Even it even gets much worse once they are gone, they really have or the only voice in public space. So it's so it's so important to understand the difference between classical dictatorships and totalitarian processes. For instance, also totalitarian leaders typically also hypnotized by their own voice and their own theory, they are hypnotized. Gustaf Le Bon sees that, and not everyone sees that sees it as well. They are hypnotized by their own ideology, meaning that they do not believe what they tell the people, but they are so convinced that what they are trying to do in society. The ideology that they are trying to impose to society. This will bring society to a kind of paradise. They are so convinced that what they are doing is the good thing that they feel that it is justified to lie, to cheat, to manipulate and so on. That's typically but they are absolutely ideologically hypnotized. They are hypnotized by their ideology. That's something that is radically different also from classical dictatorships.

Chris Martenson [00:44:26] And if I could so much to the to the chagrin of, I think, many in the profession, we saw that psychologists worked on nudge units in the UK and in Australia and probably New Zealand, probably the U.S. But but these were psychologists who said, Hey, government, we're going to help you dial up the fear so that you can get people to do the things you want them to do. And of course, the government is believing. I think you're right that it feels right to me that the government, the officials in this, they believe this is the right thing to do. They know that. We know they're using actual techniques that have been honed and developed. And you read the 1928 book by Bernays. It's already a fairly comprehensive superstructure of how you go about doing this. I'm sure this is as inelegant as phones were in 1928 compared to today. I'm going to bet the technology, the understanding, the neural linguistic mapping, the the psychological processes. I bet we understand those better. So so this feels a little bit like there is an agenda. But I got to be honest, it's actually only really being run in the western countries at the level I see it being run so that the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the UK and Europe. I don't see India struggling with this at this point in time. Would would you agree or does this feel like it's kind of localized to Western?

Mattias Desmet [00:45:44] Maybe, maybe. I think what happens now is that. Many of of the of our leaders are convinced that we need to move from a democratic system to a technocratic system. I think that most of the people are convinced that this is the only solution for the unsolvable problems we are facing now. And I think at that level, they really believe that they do the right thing. So I think they are convinced that if we want to deal with climate change with the corona pandemic, but with all kinds of other problems, we need to move from a democratic to a technocratic system. And that's why I think that many of them are so convinced that they indeed feel that it is justified to use psychological techniques such as nudging and so on do to to make people believe in the narrative and to do to convince them to go along with the narrative to buy into the narrative. I think that's what happens. I think we have to distinguish between the level of ideology and the level of the narratives that are distributed in the society. I think that our leaders believe that at the ideological level, they do the right thing. They even choose for the only possible solution. And I think that many of them will not really believe in the narratives they are distributing. I think that many of them will consider the narratives as a kind of an instrument to do to make the ideology happen. So I think I think that's about what happens. I don't think that is the, you know, final. I think something like that happens.

Chris Martenson [00:47:19] OK. This is absolutely brilliant. So so I think we're at the heart of this now for for me in my understanding where I'm at in the development of understanding. So what I'd like to do is try and understand it from their perspective, so they sleep at night. They believe they're doing a higher order good. Maybe there's some self-interest in some power and some usual ego and greed and stuff like that wrapped in always is, Hey, we're humans. But but they believe in on some level in this larger story, which if I listen to the Davos crowd, they tell me specifically that they're very concerned about something that I think is real, which is that by 2050, we'll need three planetary resources and we only have one, right? There's an issue there. We know that we're at this really unusual part of our species development where we've kind of grown into the edge of our petri dish and now we got to, you know, go to a Plan B. Their Plan B, though, is technological nirvana. This technocracy, so I can only imagine, like 40, I can get my head around 40. He seems really committed to the idea that everybody needs to be on this vaccine program and that that's the only way like to the exclusion of every other possible measure. It's all about getting everybody right down to infants on a vaccine program. So if I put myself in his head, he must believe, at least on some level, leaving aside money and power that that is a right thing to do. That that brings us yes, from where we should go.

Mattias Desmet [00:48:39] I think so. Yes. Yeah. But it's dangerous. Of course, it's not because people believe that you're doing the good thing that you're not dangerous.

Chris Martenson [00:48:49] No, no, no. It's it lacks all humidity is humility, which is that, you know, guess what? These are complex systems. They have emergent behaviors. We can't predict what's going to happen. The exact, but I think they believe they can control this whole thing and get an outcome they want. Do you believe that's possible

Mattias Desmet [00:49:06] and you come again? I didn't understand the last one because I think

Chris Martenson [00:49:08] they think they can control everything.

Mattias Desmet [00:49:10] Control yes. Yes, yes. Yes.

Chris Martenson [00:49:12] Everything can get a predicted outcome at the back end. Of course,

Mattias Desmet [00:49:17] yes. But by the way, from a from a a science point of view, this idea of being able to control everything as absurd as you refer to complex dynamical systems to the emergence of complex dynamical systems, we all know that complex dynamical systems are unpredictable and in the chaotic phase, they have this characteristic of determent, deterministic unpredictability. Lawrence at what Lawrence wrote this wonderful paper on deterministic and unpredictability of complex systems. They should read it all, and then they should realize that they started something that will lead up to only one thing to self-destruction. And that's exactly that's exactly what people like La Bon and Arendt s already described that totalitarianism always destroys itself. Always. And then because it's well, it's so important to realize because the people who do not buy into the narrative, who do not go along with the narrative and who wonder what they can do, we just gave them the advice that they have to try to continue to speak out. That's one important advice, but the second one is that the best strategy always is non violent resistance. Always. That's the best strategy because every kind of violence used against the system will be used as a justification for the aggression end to end and the frustration to channel the aggression and the frustration to that group. That's one thing. And the second thing is that the second thing is that the group who doesn't buy into the narrative. Does not have to destroy the system, the system always destroys itself, always. It's so it's intrinsically self destructive, but it can take a while, of course, and that's why it's very often the sensory to establish a kind of parallel structures that that allow people to do to survive more or less or a little bit independent and independent from the system. But. Well, yes, I agree completely with that, that that that people can think they can control processes as the ones that are happening now, but they can't. Definitely not. Science shows this. And in the most clear-cut way,

Chris Martenson [00:51:34] yeah, it's it's an absolute guarantee. I love this idea of parallel structures. And that's what I do with with my tribe. As I call us, we we are practicing with those parallel structures. But to me, the steps are one. You have to be aware that this is happening because that's that's my first line of defense. So when I read nudging articles, right? So here's one from the Omicron variant just came out a few days ago, and I'm looking here at a at a PBS article. It reads First, first, first sentence, "Worried scientists in South Africa are scrambling to combat the lightning spread across the country of a new and highly transmissible Omicron variant as the world grapples." Those are all leading, leading, leading terms to me. Those are all emotionally charged and they're like, you say, they're ungrounded. It's just sort of free-floating. Look at all that anxiety. Hmm. Lightning speed, blitzkrieg virus scrambling, you know? And it's just and it turns out I called up some doctors in South Africa and I said, What are you dealing with? They're like, It seems mild. You know, it's like, like I can. I can perform better journalism than these people, but they're caught. Whoever wrote this is caught. Nobody had to teach this person to write it that way. Did they look? No, they just knew, right? Well, indeed, yeah. So step one is, if I can see that happening, I can be immune from it. And then step two is I think we got to find each other and and come together. So we're not to connect voices.

Mattias Desmet [00:53:04] Yeah, connect because that's Mass formation emerges in a disconnected society, so people have to be socially atomized. Hannah Arendt called it, So they have to be socially isolated. There has to be a lack of social bond. But once Mars formation is established and once a totalitarian thinking emerges in a society, it makes the social isolation even much worse. That's very typical and a totalitarian state. Um, Eren says there is only one bomb to this allowed, and there's the bonds between the the state and the individual, but not between the individuals. So totalitarianism typically destroys all the social bonds between individuals, and that's why we have to try to do the opposite. We have to try to connect with each other to try to connect as much as possible. Definitely. So speak out and connect with each other. Um, the are two very important to two extremely important things. Yes.

Chris Martenson [00:54:09] Yeah. So it will pass on its own, though. I think Charles Mackay, to paraphrase badly out of memory, said that it has been seen that men think in herds and they go mad in herds, but they will recover their senses only slowly and one by one. Something like that. Right. So something that you can feel this mass echoes as we come into the last part of this. I'm curious because a lot of this feels intentional to me. I it can't. It's not possible for the people who are sort of running the string. It's not possible for Joe Biden's team to not be aware that if you're vaccinated, you can still transmit the virus. Yet he just said that recently. Right. It's not possible. They don't have those facts in the hand. It's not possible for a director of the CDC to be unaware of the base data. It's not possible for Fauci to be that clueless. You know, two masks, no masks. This that, you know, it's just I am science, right? This crazy guy, right? It's not possible for all that to be happening. So this feels intentional to me a little bit. Your your your estimation is how much of this looks intentional versus this is just how it goes.

Mattias Desmet [00:55:23] It's a mixture between the two. I think, as always, as always, and I think people typically have the inclination to overestimate the intentional part. But that doesn't mean, of course, that there is no intention. But I also I I agree with you and I also believe that many experts and leaders now know that the vaccination strategy actually doesn't really work. Or at least it doesn't didn't bring us what what we could expect. Many experts know that a face mask wearing actually doesn't. Lead to less contamination, so for instance, and sometimes the experts also told this in the mainstream media, I remember one virologist here in Belgium saying that the mask wearing is a symbolic measures because it remembers people every day that there is a pandemic and they and that they should go along with the the measures that they should stick to the measures. So I think people know what they need, but I think that again, I think what these people still believe that maybe this vaccine doesn't work, but in the end, it will be the best for everyone if people get vaccinated the three times a year. Um, so this this this this ideological fiction, this belief that we should replace in nature through an artificial system. Natural immunity through an artificial system, this is so typical for totalitarianism. This was typically maybe people are not aware of that, they think, but that is what totalitarianism is. Totalitarianism always tries to establish an artificial world in an artificial society, which can be entirely rationally controlled and manipulated. That is the ultimate goal of, of a of a of a certain mechanistic ideology, which is also the basis of totalitarianism. Mm-Hmm. So I do believe that the experts know that many of the measures and stuff don't really work, but I think they are still convinced that their system and their ideological approach of society will be the best ever, I think, and in the end, it becomes entirely absurd, of course, because in the end they are willing to sacrifice 50 percent of humanity to free or even 100 percent to make their ideological fiction the real. And that's the the absurd miss of of of of this kind of thinking. Yes.

Chris Martenson [00:58:14] Yeah. Well, the COVID measures don't work from a public health standpoint. That's clear, you know, and as they say in the military, once is an accident twice as coincidence, but three times as enemy action. But they can't have gotten it wrong every step of the way without it eventually being part of a program of some kind. And as a scientists, I got to tell you, I I've been horrified watching. When hydroxychloroquine comes along, it works. It has a reasonable signal. It's not a magic bullet, but it has a reasonable early signal. But watching studies be designed to give it too late in toxic doses to already highly sick people so that they die. So you can make that point as happened in the UK. I look at that that's fully intentional. Nobody, no institutional review board would ever have signed off on that without understanding what was happening right now. And it's very clear this is not how we do this right? But they wanted to make a point about it. And, you know, somebody ran a completely fraudulent set of studies through Lancet. And all that happened was the authors ultimately retracted the paper. The Lancet didn't say anything about it. Nobody went to prison or got in trouble. It's just weird. So I watched like that feels intentional to me because if you if you're in service of that narrative of control. You can do whatever you want right up to designing studies that are designed to kill people pretty dark, right? But if you dare point out that that that's the case, you'll find yourself censored, marginalized, maybe lose a job. This happens a lot. So there is a high cost to speaking up.

Mattias Desmet [00:59:45] Oh, yes, of course. Yes.

Chris Martenson [00:59:47] Yes, it would. Is this just do we just have to bear that cost? Because that's the times we live in? Or is there a way to? Split the difference, or because I know a lot of people losing jobs out of all of us. Yes. Speak up.

Mattias Desmet [01:00:02] You know, the ancient Greeks knew a new already that they're speaking. The truth is always dangerous because you can define truth as that part of knowledge. That, uh, is. In conflict with public discourse, the ancient Greeks considered it like that as soon as a narrative as dominant in public space. You will start to feel that the narrative is incomplete and that in one way or another. Someone should say in public space that there is a problem, a dominant narrative, and the ancient Greeks knew that the one who tells it, the one who tries to say what everybody feels, but but but that nobody dares to say that person is in danger. So and that's what that's what the ancient Greeks considered speaking the truth. And that means they called it Patrizio. So a kind of speech which consists of just telling. That's. Something that everybody feels that it should be told, but nobody dares to say. And if you do that, you're endangered. That's true. And I think we we should we should continue to try to do it because the better you understand what is happening, the more you see that actually there is no other option, there is no other option. If we shut up, we will be in danger as well. People who now go along with the narrative, people who now go along with the narrative do not realize that a danger they expose themselves to. What do they have no idea what's awaiting them?

Chris Martenson [01:01:39] And could we even say that that that is expensive as it is now to speak up, it'll be more expensive,

Mattias Desmet [01:01:46] if you will. Definitely, yes. That's one more thing. And of course, I think we have to be careful and we have to be as polite than this friendly as possible. And I think we we do not only have to speak for ourselves, we also have to speak for the people who believe in the narrative because in the end, it will be clear that they need a dissident voice and and and that that that that without this dissident voice, the system will close and will become radically self-destructive. And I think maybe we can also learn something from them at certain points. I mean, but we have to try to establish an open conversation as much as possible as possible in society. And that's what we have to do that for everyone, not only for ourselves, but also for the people who are into the mosque or the mosque phenomenon, because in the end, they are human beings as well.

Chris Martenson [01:02:37] And so with compassion, I'm often saying that that for the people who have gone off that into the mass psychosis when, not if, but but when they come back, I'll welcome them. There's not going to be big, ugly lessons learned rubbing their noses in that kind of thing like, let's listen, can we just everybody has to be welcomed back into this, into reality, as I call it, at this point. So the reality is we face huge predicaments. A problem has a solution, a predicament. Just you have to manage the outcome. We're facing huge predicaments economically. Ecologically, we got energy issues like big things that we really need our best minds on and we need full for. We have to have the ability to have uncomfortable conversations. Right. It's like and if we can't even do that around something as simple as should people take vitamin D or not, you know, without that somehow becoming, you know, against the the state narrative, I think we're in trouble. So I really think this is important, you know, to me, tell me if you disagree, but what's at stake is literally everything like living in abundant, well-functioning society. I think that could all break if we mismanage this to the point that our currency collapses because we didn't figure out how to close the gap between the debts we have and the liabilities we have in reality, if we don't do that on our own terms. It'll come on nature's terms. And I don't like that. I'd rather do this consciously and elegantly. So I think that's what's at risk to me.

Mattias Desmet [01:04:07] Everything. Yes, I agree. I agree. Yes, definitely. And that's that's exactly this. This the. Ultimately. Mass formation always destroys the core of the human being, it destroys the humanity in the human being. And so. We are human, I think as long as we try to speak to each other. Yeah. And when that that that's the use of language and the established establishing a social bond through speech is what characterizes a human being and what makes it different from other living beings. And I think that's what we have to try to represent. We have to try to represent humanity in this crisis and to try to prevent, um uh, that humanity disappears and we have to do it just. By trying to continue to speak, to be respectful to the other people, to be to to give them the rights, to have their own opinion, to even give them the right to be in a phenomenon, to be in a mass formation. But by just telling them we will try to continue to speak to you and we will try to continue that, there are people who think differently. There are people who who who, uh, look at it from a different perspective. But we have to be as sensitive as possible, as honest as possible, as sincere as possible. But that's the only solution, I think, or that's the only way to prevent the system to close and to destroy everything, which I don't believe it will. I really I'm really optimistic in this sense. I believe that there will be a group of people who manage to continue to speak out and who will, um, know who will ultimately, um. Bring change in this situation, but I'm not naive in this respect that the next year will be very tough years, I think. Um, but well. We know what to do with there's.

Chris Martenson [01:06:30] Oh, yeah. This is the good that's come out of COVID for me, as I've found people like yourself, like the peer Corey, like all the all the doctors out there who are really speaking that truth to power, even though it costs. So we find who has integrity, we find who has moral courage, we find who's intellectually honest in this story. And that's wonderful. That's very good because because we see this as a first step. Yes. And and this is when a great reshaping, I think good things. We can come out of this better from the fact that 11 million people in Belgium are consuming 300 million doses of antidepressants in a year. Tells us there are things we can improve upon now. So that's the hope. The hope I have and the opportunity in the story is that we can do better, I think.

Mattias Desmet [01:07:19] Yes, indeed. And that is the real problem. The real problem is not the virus. Maybe the virus is also a problem. And definitely if you die of the virus, it must be terrible and so on. And it's not about that. But but the real problem we try to find a solution for without knowing it is this psychological discontent and this psychological misery. The society was in before the crisis and the crisis and this. Narrative on the coronavirus was a symptom that was a symptom of the real problem, which was actually the psychological state of the population, which in its turn was connected to our view on men in the world. Our mechanistic view on men and about our mechanistic materialist view on men in the world. That's the real problem. A view of men in the world that actually is not scientific at all. Because if you look at science, the science of the last 150 years, it exactly showed us that we are not a biological machine and that the universe is not a mechanical system far from that. It's a system that is aware. It is conscious, a system that reacts to our consciousness. That's that's the real revolutionizing, um, that has to happen, that the old view of men in the world is replaced by a view that is different. And that's yeah,

Chris Martenson [01:08:56] yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this is where I've come to, as well as this idea that that these might well be birthing pains. But this is a this is this is the moment where humanity, our consciousness gets to come forward and understand that consciousness consciously interacts with itself and what this stuff we call matter. In reality, it's a huge awakening for us. Yeah, and nature's been running this experiment for a while. So either we step up to the plate and into our full potential network, or we don't. But that's literally what's at stake here is is is probably the most worthy thing of all is to be a participant in a really incredible moment of evolution. And so maybe a lot of this is this is just how it goes, right? There's there's it's this is getting born is never easy.

Mattias Desmet [01:09:44] Exactly. And then that's also why, personally, I do not think that ultimately what we are dealing with is a conspiracy. It's an ideological problem. That's what I believe. Ultimately, of course, people conspire from time to time and so on. But ultimately, we are dealing with the problem at the level of of a of our own. We are dealing with an ideological problem. I think people are grasped and a certain ideology, a certain view on men in the world. And that is this view of men in the world is the real problem in this situation. That's what I believe.

Chris Martenson [01:10:20] I believe too. So. So the framing then becomes that those who are want to give us this technocratic future they envision to them. The dichotomy is they they say it's it's this future progression. This is where we were always going. But in fact, they're trying to hold us back into a very old ideology, which is not the one we need. So that's the fundamental tension in that story is that it's it's inaccurate. And the promising us everything while delivering us the past. Yes. Yeah, it doesn't work. Fantastic. So how do how do I help you? How does my tribe help you? What do you tell me about this book you're writing? And and I know people are going to want to follow you more closely after this and find out what you're saying and thinking. So how do we do that?

Mattias Desmet [01:11:06] I have. Well, you help me already know by just giving me the opportunity to speak and to to bring my my my story here, my view on this problem. So that's one very important thing, I think. And if you want, you can invite me another time. When I finished the book, it's finished. It's done. It's finished. It's will be published in January at this finished now, but it still has to be translated then in English because I wrote it in Dutch. No.

Chris Martenson [01:11:34] Yeah. And what's the title?

Mattias Desmet [01:11:36] The Psychology of Totalitarianism.

Chris Martenson [01:11:39] Beautiful. That's something we will have you write back on because a lot of people are wonderful on my own. Absolutely. Well, doctor, thank you so much for your time today. Thank you for your work in the world. And this has been a fabulous conversation, and I really do plan to have a follow up with you very soon.

Mattias Desmet [01:11:59] Thank you very much for inviting me and for listening.

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    Brilliant Interview - CPTSD

    As someone who supports people to heal from free floating anxiety that in my construct we call nameless dread, I deeply appreciate this interview.  I feel grateful to Chris for raising awareness about the mental health struggles that are so prominent these days.

    In the frame that I work in, people feel anxious when they experience a double bind or dilemma between what they know inside themselves is true for them and what they've been conditioned to believe.  Anxiety arises in the context of relationship rather than something primitive inside the brain.  Humans are wired to prioritize connection to each other over staying true to oneself.   My colleagues and I often find that for many people underneath anxiety lies deep rage.

    In my opinion the real epidemic we are facing around the world is one of Complex PTSD which generates anxiety and depression.

    At the end of the day humans need to feel connected.  That's why I believe that one of the most important things each of us can do right now in the face of all of this insanity is to connect with others even in small ways.

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  • Thu, Dec 02, 2021 - 10:01pm

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    Well said. Thank you for your insight

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  • Thu, Dec 02, 2021 - 10:52pm

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    Maybe I get around to much, but

    I have listened to numerous interviews with Mattias Desmet over the last few weeks concerning mass formation. Are there others that can speak to this as well?  If so, it could expand credibility in this area.

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  • Thu, Dec 02, 2021 - 11:15pm

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    Mental Notes.

    The reason for the free-floating anxiety is because people haven't internalized the notion that they are immortal souls.

    The cure for that is to begin showing children videos of witness accounts of Near Death Experiences . Further, we should be paying Dr. Tom Campbell (Physics) a lot of money to get the message out to the children. Yes. Children will be able to grasp the idea much better than their ossified parents. They can see right through blindfolds. (Anyone want to challenge that observation?)

    In a nutshell: We don't have souls. We Are souls. We have bodies.

    A missed opportunity in the video was the brief mention of Visual truth.  If our vision is turned inward, we are focused on our Models of reality. When we are forced to look outside of our models, Our Gestalt (in the moment) mind is engaged. We cannot look inward and outward at the same time; the function of the corpus callosum will not permit it. It's function is to inhibit communication between the two modes of thinking.

    Therefore we must place before the hypnotised Visual Images. Lots of Visual Images, to pull them from their Models. This is why Graphs work. They are visual. I would that this had been explored more.

    Ref: Dr. Tom Campbell, "My Big TOE"

    Psychiatrist Dr. Iain McGilchrist, "The Master and His Emissary"

    And of cause, the future lies in the Past.

    The God of Saxons is the Wr-Alda and his emissary is our dear Freya. The Oera Linda. What we need is to develop the Office of Overmother again.

    But this missive is already too long.

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  • Thu, Dec 02, 2021 - 11:20pm

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    @ Jane B - Other interviews on psychology of COVID




     

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  • Thu, Dec 02, 2021 - 11:43pm

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    10-20%

    I’m wildly encouraged by the idea that there are 10-20% who see this for what it is. I sometimes joke that the problem is we’re all libertarian hippies and just want to be left alone. Right now, it is becoming critical that we come together and find each other.

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  • Thu, Dec 02, 2021 - 11:52pm

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    Zozobra

    I’ve seen several interviews with Mattias recently but this has been the best. Great volleys from Chris that I think had Mattias thinking even deeper on his own postulations. This theory of “free floating anxiety” brings me back to the concept of Zozobra that was included in the brilliant piece Chris wrote back in November 2020 about the interregnum.

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/the-easy-times-are-over-the-interregnum-is-here

    Whenever I’m trying to wake someone up, I share excerpts from that post and always lead with how I am cautiously wandering through the interregnum and try to connect with people through a mutual experience of Zozobra. I even commissioned some label art and brew a beer called ZozoBräu now, as a way to encourage  people to sit down and have a conversation. That’s not meant as a personal advertisement but just as a testament to the impact it had on me and how much it’s helped me have decent and meaningful conversations with the hypnotized. “Parousia” is a new word for me too

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 1:01am

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    Mark_BC said:

    One thing that I see as different this time is that in all previous totalitarian collapse scenarios, people had a bright future to look forward to afterwards. They were in a time of increasing energy extraction which could fuel the emergence of vibrant rebirths of devastated societies over the following decades.

    We now face the opposite. Today's oil consumption in the western world is being artificially stimulated by the totalitarians and their financial system. Once that system collapses, oil production will never return to anywhere near what we have had at today's peak. There will not be a bright future on the other side beckoning us to rebuild a vibrant new society. At least not at today's population levels.

    Of course, once could see this not only a problem, but as an opportunity to move beyond the mechanistic relationship with the world that fossil fuels have created. That is for sure true, but it will be little comfort to many, especially those that do not survive, and who are still stuck in their materialistic lives. Things will get much worse before they get better.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 1:05am

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    Great interview, I do not share the positive outlook though

    Great interview. To me, the mechanism described by Desmet is “true”. The point I had and have is this: Hannah Arendt fled Germany while the Germans were rounding up the opposition. Solzhenitsyn was send to the Gulag under Stalin, and came out of it after Stalin’s death. In other words, I think that there are no historical examples that the excesses of totalitarian regimes were botched before they occurred. Not before, and not after the 1930’s. This is a counterfactual fallacy. If the open approach will work this time.

    I do believe however that speaking out is important as it will work as coagulants, or “centers of gravity” for the unhypnotized few. These will form the basis of the parallel structures that will be needed for the next 10 years (the typical time a totalitarian state devours itself). But make no mistake about it: the administration of some, if not all these “centers of gravity” will be used to round up as many as possible of us.

    I’m more a follower of Hannah Arendt: hope in times of these is counterproductive. In the end, the new elite that will arise after the new dark age, will be those that acted. Acted on an individual level —Arendt fled Germany and by fleeing was able to play a role to help world to deal the with the atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis. Mandela kept his humanity, even after years of imprisonment. Solzhenitsyn kept writing, Havel became president after years of enduring suppression after a writing pieces in the right time. Whether or not their actions during their respective dark ages reduced the number of casualties is a matter of speculation at best, and a counterfactual fallacy at worst. But impact they had, untill now… Now the whole Western World forgot all these lessons, and is on the trajectory to new totalitarian age, as described by Desmet.

    To conclude, great interview, I do sense a counterfactual fallacy.  However, there are many great points made. As public health is used to impose a new totalitarian regime, a great crowd of dissenting medical/psychology professionals, I classify Chris as one of those dissidents, has taken their responsibility; it would be crazy for, say, a plumber to take this burden. The more people they can unhypnotize the better. Apart from these dissidents, new platforms have arisen to connect the unhypnotized, and to create a parallel financial system using crypto (for as long as TPTB do not fully crack down on it).

    It is my belief however that the only thing that can stop this glide into a new totalitarian society is TPTB own hubris, and, as said before, dissenters will play a larger role after this “dark age”.

    If the adverse reactions of the “vaccination patches” increases, and the efficacy decreases faster and faster then, combined with the voices of the dissidents, this could end soon. After the fourth booster or so. Remember, the dissenting voice of Havel did not cause the change, factory workers were  already organizing discussions and rallies, but his, and other dissenters words strengthened the unhypnotized, and convinced them that the did see it correctly, oil on the fire indeed.

     

     

     

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 1:12am

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    Bright future

    I do not agree: we to have a bright future to look out for. The thing is, we shouldn’t wait for it, but play an active role in making it happen.

    “Don’t wait for the change, be the change”

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 2:04am

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    Brilliant Interview

    One of the best 'dot-connectors' I have seen in the recent past.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 4:04am

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    Wow!

    What a live changing interview that was! In a previous post I wrote about surviving by being a grey man. I now realize I was having a dictatorship in mind.

    I wrote Professor Desmet an email thanking him for his insights. We do must continue to speak out.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 4:17am

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    Terminator said:

    What a great combo in this episode! Worked well to enlighten my confirmation bias further. Thanks Chris & Mattias.

    Breaking the spell seems to be the event to hope for.

    Dissenters will be few, unless they are incentivised enough or independent enough to do so.

    The big struggle dissenters have is to unite, believers are unified in their believe, dissenters are as plurified as can be. Good for guerrilla tactics but hardly effective to break the spell.

    My hope is not for the common man to raise his voice and come to action, he has much to loose and less to gain (short term). He might lose it all long term but that is always less of a concern in our Western world of instant gratification monkeys.

    A parallel society would be great, but takes too long to build and might be too idealistic given the diversity within the dissenters. Worldwide, enforced (QR) mandates will be implemented before these communities gain enough critical mass.

    Crypto seem to be the false hope that incentivise the early adopters with free gains until it pops (legislative pressure is mounting). I would not bet on the intrinsic support of the big wallets here (a few really rich in fiat have taken massive positions and hold the voting power in especially bitcoin). I do support it by have a stake as well, but it’s less decentralized power as I had hoped. I despise all systems with too large haves where there are too many not-haves. It ‘s solidified, dead energy most of the time.

    So what do I hope for? Either a massive shocking event, indeed a big trauma to replace the current induced threat of a “deadly” virus in an inappropriate health system. Or a sudden snap back to sanity by increasingly undeniable adverse effects to surface (not likely) or the increasing immunity of mass natural infection (likely).

    Seen this way omicron might indeed be a welcome guest to the “party”.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 5:10am

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    Fauci =>  origin of Covid + coverup + policy response =>  nucleus of the social psychosis across the West

     

    Great interview!  I've been watching your show all year, thanks so much for the great content.

    My first comment here in the forum:

    Perhaps the following analysis can explain why the technocrats in government "believe so deeply" in their ideology, i.e. the remedy that they are prescribing.

    1. Fauci funded EcoHealth who created virus at WIV.

    2. Since the virus was not "naturally occurring" the inner circle of scientists who were involved in creating it (led by Fauci) had deep feelings both of terror and of guilt when the monster got out of the lab and was unleashed into the world.

    3. The panic, terror, and guilt that this small set of people felt very deeply -- which was not necessarily displayed in their public speech as they didn't want to start a panic -- but which was clearly displayed through their policy responses .... this was the gestalt of the ideology that then became the nucleus of the Western policy reaction.

    4. Since WWII all Western countries look to U.S. as "the lead" in formulating policy, so it's not surprise that the rest of the Western World followed the U.S. policy response.

    In summary:  Our societal psychosis described by Mattias Desmett has been shaped by the leaders of the technocracy who evolved their response and tone out of the leadership of the core group of scientists and technocrats who were "in the know" and whose initial panic drove the wider policy response within the U.S., which emanated across the West, and ultimately sparked our Western societal psychosis.

    How did it happen?   It is because Dr. Fauci funded creation of the virus, and was head of the public health agency, that he was also able to very quickly become the loudest and most credible voice in the room, he was speaking emotionally with enormous conviction due to his guilt/panic, he was immediately able to generate "a plan" on what to do, he had the resources in the agency to drive the "plan" into action ... while everyone else was totally confused about what we were dealing with and uncertain on what to do ...  of course, Fauci knew exactly what he was dealing with & had deep conviction in the white's of his eyes... of course, he created the damn virus in the first place!

    Does this make sense?

    One data point that supports this theory:  very early on during mid-March 2021 before the stock market had crashed, several weeks before Dr. Fauci had become a recognized public spokesperson, I remember Jim Cramer saying on his show "this virus could be something to watch, and when we have a real public health emergency, we need to have an expert to look to... and the expert who is the smartest person who I can possibly find in the United States health establishment is Dr. Fauci, and until he tells us this virus is past, we should be worried.  Let's listen to Fauci closely over the next few weeks."

    I wonder who told Jim Cramer that "Fauci is the smartest person in the U.S. Health Establishment?"  How did that narrative get started? Historians need to research this closely to understand how this narrative came about.  Why did we all start listening to the little man?

    My theory in a nutshell: Ultimately it was Fauci's fear, panic, guilt, and speed to react with supreme conviction... and eventually also it was the power and ego that he was given as he was turned into a rockstar by the media to keep perpetuating "the plan" ... this was the nucleus of the ideology and the Western social psychosis!!!

     

     

     

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 5:44am

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    Transcript needs editing

    Just suggesting how it can be improved. These automatic speech-to-text software conversions introduce errors.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 6:50am

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    Good RO.

    Quality first post.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 7:19am

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    Why, terminator?

    Most of your points resonate with me, terminator.

    I'm curious though as to why you think parallel structures will take too long or be ineffective due to the diversity of dissenters. It's my thought that the parallel structures most needed are fast off the mark, especially given that many have the luxury of extra time, thanks to v-mandates.

    Food = gardens, preserving, home brewing, baking = single growing season ( granted, ours is just starting in the southern hemisphere, while northern folks are heading into winter) (everyone from Buddhist to Bogan needs to eat)

    Social/educational structures = dinner parties and homeschooling...do it and it's done ( perhaps plurality might be an issue here?)

    Alt med: slightly more involved, but give it a year. ( again, this is a need irrespective of philosophical leanings)

    Alt communication networks: not my thing, so I won't try and guess what is needed there. But again, plurality is no barrier.

    Working on these things at the moment, and interested in your perspective....

     

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 7:37am

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    Chris and Mattias mostly resonate in our Echo Chamber.

    Chances of a person under the spell of Mass Formation Psychosis listening to and understanding this interview are near zero.

    This is not a criticism, but a fact that directs the necessary actions for each individual who wants to work toward a solution..Mattias said we can do two things…Continue to speak out and use non-violent resistance. Chris of course should continue to speak out and educate his listener base …but think of the potential power of his listener base with each person making one personal contact each day.

    When DaveDD said ;

     It would be crazy for, say, a plumber to take this burden

    I think just the opposite….The plumber gains the trust and respect of his client by fixing a faucet or whatever and that opens the door of communication between the two individuals.  There is a moment in polite society when the transaction is finished, that a kind word or a thought can be shared between two strangers. It is in those short moments and encounters that a seed of truth can be planted.

    My goal is to use every random encounter to plant a seed. I literally have to go today and install a faucet for a client. Maybe I can have a positive moment with her?

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 8:51am

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    DaveDD said:

    Hi Oliveoilguy,

    Actually, I do agree with you. The context of my statement is about medical dissenters adressing medical, sciency issues.

    All other unhypnotized have their own responsibility to act, each within their own network , and related to their own field of expertise. I do not think that, say, a heardresser, is able to convince politicians, and doubting scientists, simply because they talk a different language, imo they are simply arrogant and too fixed in their ideas.

    However, I do not underestimate the power of hairdressers, plumbers etc etc. In the example of Havel, the actual resistance started on the factory floor, that is, it started with "normal" people that had enough of the crazyness, Havel et al "just" gave new words to it. Mandela didn't free himself, he was freed due to the relentless work of "normal" people who couldn't bear in anymore. Martin Luther King did not end segragation on public buses on his own, it needed a "normal" person like Rosa Parks to stand up. She was the right person, doing the right thing at the right moment in time.

    So, again, the statement I made is in the context of medical dissenters. I personally do not wait for a better world, I'm trying to play an active role in it within my own community and within my own two fields of expertise, just like you.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 9:10am

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    LBL said:

    "time to take a courageous stand" ?!

     

    Not likely for a group that could best be described as Peak Cowardice.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 9:19am

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    Stewart said:

    Thanks for the comment. We do realize the transcriptions are not perfect, and we do edit to try to ensure that names and titles, etc. are corrected, but we also hope that in an effort to get the material out in a timely manner, our audience will forgive minor transcription errors. That said, we will continue to strive to improve on that effort, where it counts.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 10:01am

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    It's a Small World

    A few years ago, I visited your brewery while attending Craft Brewer's Conference. I'm a board game enthusiast, so we decided to hit up the Wizard's Chest.

    I looked at my girlfriend and said, "Well how convenient? There's a brewery across the road."

    If you're headed to Minneapolis this spring, we should meetup for a beer.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 10:08am

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    Terminator said:

    Thanks Taswegian,

    Good to see you are putting the effort in and you’re absolutely right in building part of the parallel structure. Every single bit helps, at the least for your personal and local community’s resilience.

    My point is more with regards to gaining critical mass quickly enough to have an influence in breaking the spell of the mass hypnotized before things derail for the dissenters (us). Basically to become a viable alternative outside the control and influence of TPTB.

    Given most of the commons do not have a homestead with sufficient garden, water well and cattle there is a point in time to reach out beyond the self sustainability and rely on some kind of supply. If this is behind the paywall of TPTB (passes, qr codes, whatever) and settled for in controlled fiat (usd, cbdc) the reliance will instill obedience and continue the spell.

    The current fear in the masses and spurring rage against the involuntary scapegoats is hard to watch. I’m not afraid to defend myself, but do not want to become an agressor. Question is will peaceful resistance remain an option.

    I sense a change in pace and rigidity in mandates and public opinion which does not bode well.

    The next step might be a violent attack on a public figure and it almost feels like this part of the plan as they can subsequently increase suppression by the military to counter “domestic terrorism”.

    All in all given these observations I believe the train is derailing too fast to have a sufficient parallel structure in place for most to rely and take part in.

    We can still try in our own communities and hope the spell will be broken in another way.

     

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 10:21am

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    What is loss of connectedness?

    I'm struggling to fully take in the "lack of social bond". As many I am connected to that are fully in the vax is the only solution to leading us through the fog camp, are I would argue more socially bonded than myself. The only way I can draw sense making is, it is more about the qualitative social bond hierarchy rather than a quantitative model. Meaning the primary social bond hierarchy is how I am bonded to something greater than myself, then myself, my family, my community and lastly the global community. Leaving room for more nuance I imagine. What I do feel is true is that hierarchy of bondedness has been turned disrupted and the local community and global community bondedness has been elevated above the relationships to spirit, self and family. When the narrative of vax to health came out many feeling that loss of local community and global community, where they got most of their needs met, suffered the greatest losses. Because they couldn't ground in spirit, themselves or their families.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 10:23am

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    Let us know when the English version of the book comes out, particularly the audible version.

    Let us know when the English version of the book comes out.

    Particularly would enjoy the voice over version so that I can listen to it on Audible (or elsewhere).

    Let me know if you need help with voice over talent.  My wife does voice over and has an affordable rate.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 11:27am

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    @OOG #17 - For sure we talk with the plumber

    My most insightful chats occur with the plumber, the person who services the furnace, and the appliance repairman. Know them each by name over the years. I'll make a side-bar comment about the cra-cra going on and the dam opens. I find the working class to be far more awake than the intellectual class. To me, these folks add more tangible value than the spreadsheet doctors, financial manipulators, and assorted paper pushers, especially now.  Best people by far to know when the SHTF.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 12:14pm

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    Sorry RO, it was planned

    Fauci's behavior has nothing to do with guilt.  If he felt guilty for creating or releasing the virus he wouldn't be pushing bogus responses.  He'd get behind treatments that work and not push vaccines that are clearly dangerous.

    RFK describes exactly what's behind it all in his book.  He also details the prior, and continuing, crimes Fauci is guilty of.  If he didn't feel guilt for murdering thousands of orphans in evil experiments, millions of HIV positive people, forcing approval of hundreds of toxic drugs, or any of the countless other grossly illegal and immoral things he's done he certainly isn't going to feel guilt about the corona virus.

    The first chapter alone will dispel any thoughts that Fauci is anything but a sociopath.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 12:38pm

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    Replying to Sorry RO, it was planned (#27)

    richcabot,

    You wrote:

    RFK describes exactly what's behind it all in his book.

    I am about halfway through RFK's book. All the things that are happening now are just a replay of things that Fauci has done before.

    Fauci should have been sent packing after the AIDS debacle. The whole thing is horrifying.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 12:54pm

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    @ RO - the rabbit hole goes deeper

    Appreciate your first post, RO. I think you'll find that the rabbit hole goes deeper than it first appears.

    For one thing, there have been multiple pandemic simulations over the years around the world, culminating in Event 201 in the US in October 2019. RFK Jr. notes that the focus of these was not so much public health, but coordinated control of the measures and the narrative. Event 201 was sponsored by the BMGF and the WEF and Johns Hopkins. Check out the highlights video and you'll note how predictive it was.

    https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about

    The WEF has trained many of the present global leaders through its Young Leaders Program and this, rather than a US lead per se, could explain the lockstep approach to the pandemic. Putter around and see who has previously been through the program - includes Jacinda Ardern of NZ, for example.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/ygl-wef-young-global-leaders/

    Dr. David Martin has followed the trail of the patents on both the genetically modified micro-organisms and the vaccines, which well predate this pandemic. I don't agree all his speculations, but the patents he references do exist on public websites.

    The Trusted News Initiative (quite an Orwellian name) was also implemented beforehand to control the narrative.  It includes the usual suspects.

    https://www.bbc.com/beyondfakenews/trusted-news-initiative/

    Also look into a seminar sponsored by the Milken Institute in which Dr. Fauci and others discuss how to implement a universal flu vaccination program by promoting something scarier than the flu and using emergency powers to get around the lengthy and unwieldy drug approval process.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?465845-1/universal-flu-vaccine

    The emergency use authorizations for the experimental drugs/vaccines require there be no other efficacious and approved drug available for the same indication.  This explains why existing efficacious drugs had to be de-legitimized and suppressed.

    Why the push to universal cradle-to-grave vaccination program? Universal vaccines link to a global digital ID, a goal sponsored by Microsoft and BMGF through the ID2020 project. Notice the target date of this program - 2020.

    https://id2020.org/

    Finally, why have a cradle-to-grave digital ID?  To control access to resources, travel, employment. Digital ID paves the way for "surveillance capitalism", using health status as a pretext.  The pilot study, sponsored by Gates, has been conducted in India and enrolled 1.3 billion people. Read about the history of India's Aardhar system of immunization-linked digital ID here.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/19/health-wealth-digital-passports-surveillance-capitalism/

    This brings us full circle to the conditions for totalitarianism discussed by Dr. Desmet. The hypnosis is needed to obscure the program goals while promoting adherence.

    The pieces are all hiding in plain site, but what ordinary person would concern themselves with this rabbit hole? Normal people simply go about our lives.

    Hence, only the small secrets must be hidden. The really big ones are obscured by public incredulity.

    They have a schedule - Agenda 2030 - and are racing against time to get there. If this all sounds apocalyptic, remember that the Greek word for apocalypse actually means - uncovering or revelation.

    The awake are fortunate to be aware. My thoughts on next steps in follow up post.

     

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 1:09pm

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    Another great discussion

    Thanks Chris and Professor Desmet for the excellent and well expressed insight into the underlying basis of the mass formation.  I will be sharing this with others, especially my "intellectual" friends as they tend to be more accepting of "truths" given by other intellectuals.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 1:13pm

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    Guinify said:

    There is the possibility for a bright future, but tptb are currently ignoring and suppressing it. Regenerative agriculture is amazing. Yes, currently most large scale regenerative agriculture I’m aware of does rely on external energy (fossil fuels for tractors, freezers, etc) but uses massively less than “conventional” agriculture and produces higher quality food while healing the environment. People like Gabe Brown produce  similar yields to their “conventional” neighbors without all the filling, pesticides, fertilizers, etc, and are building better, deeper soils in the process. There would be a few hard years of shock as the soils recovered and yields were lower, but we could have a healthier planet and population with a larger adoption of regenerative practices. Instead “They” are busy demonizing animals and telling everyone to eat more of the resource hogging annual crops that deplete the soil and demand massive inputs. Learn about regenerative agriculture, support it locally, practice it yourself (to the best of your abilities/in your circumstances) and spread the word.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 1:21pm

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    The rabbit hole = some follow up thoughts.

    Regarding the drive to totalitarianism. I concur with Dr. Desmet that the underlying problem is metaphysical - a flawed materialistic view of mankind.  The view that human beings are like livestock that can be manipulated, controlled, enhanced trough trans-humanism, and so forth, profoundly misunderstands human nature and diminishes humanity. The hubris of the technocratic program will be the source of its own destruction - perhaps not immediately, but eventually.

    I share the opinion that parallel structures are needed to survive in the short term, in my view they must be low tech and decentralized. Each one must reach a few. And one of the few in each then reach others. And so on. To crete a network. Widespread but decentralized nodes will be more resilient to infiltration, as TPTB will do their utmost to undermine them.  Low tech to circumvent high tech control.

    They have a schedule - 2030 - are racing against time to get there. Omicron, for example was mentioned by WEF back in July (search the way back machine) then the post was updated around November 26, 2021.  Surfacing Omicron now, in my view, has certain advantages - it distracts from the growing global resistance to mandates , it refocuses the hypnosis, it creates the pretext for further isolation and disconnection though lock downs, it can be used to promote scapegoating of the unvaccinated, and so on.

    I expect the next move is to crash the internet to disable communication and bring down the now irreparable financial system. Then bring it back up to reset the system (great reset) and institute global digital currency to complement the digital ID.

    https://sociable.co/technology/cyber-pandemic-prepping-cyber-polygon-ransomware-supply-chains-digital-currencies-internet-regulation/

    Maybe China will be the scapegoat (limited hangout).

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/surprise-electromagnetic-attack-from-china-part-of-beijings-new-blitzkrieg-strategy-experts_4130844.html

    Then the TPTB rides in to save the day with the solution that represents what they wanted to implement all along.

    Perhaps when they bring the system down, they will forgive debt in return for claiming your property, then give you digital universal basic income (rations tied to compliance).  You will own nothing and you will be happy. Speculation on my part, but not improbable given they  are signaling this in many forums.

    So again, I personally think we need to go low tech in our resilience and personal connections.

    Second, I'm not just about short-term physical survial but about long-term conservation - and one thing to conserve is an alternative way of being and thinking to pass onto the next generation. A repudiation of and an alternative to the technocratic view of humanity.  A preservation of the enlightenment tradition. And so forth. This can be done in the ancient way of the tradition of elders passing on preserved knowledge, both practical, philosophical, and spiritual. Decentralized groups is one way to do this.

    In Fourth Turning language, the next generation are the Hero generation that will rebuild. Working to Restore and Rebuild a humanistic society can be the meaning and purpose that connects both elder - Prophet -  and younger - Hero - generations.

    These are my initial thoughts.  Sorry for the long ramble - hope some of it is helpful.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 1:43pm

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    What are your thoughts on the Grand Solar Minimum?

    IG: I strongly agree with everything you've posted here (#29,#32).

    There is so much more going on than what MSM wants us to focus our attention on.

    What are your thoughts on the Grand Solar Minimum? I recently started following David Dubyne on youtube, and, if he is correct, we have another big problem to worry about: 3 decades of cooler temps, more cloud cover, shorter growing seasons, and less food production -- starting in 2022, gradually worsening, with the nadir in .... 2030.

    Thx!

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 1:57pm

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    Heads up

    Hello, great Interview and good ideas. I encounter a lot of crasy talk from Friends. I find it hard to deal with them and this new Situation. It is depressing to watch. Heads Up and prepare i try the Same. But as always resources / possibilities are limited. Dont let your selfs be lulled into fake hope. Do what you can to better your situation, at a certain time moving out of the way is all you can do.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 2:03pm

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    Nice hypothesis but I think it falls down with Fauci having the ability to feel guilt.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 2:09pm

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    Mael Duin said:

    Problem with mass natural immunity is the recent research which finds that vaccine induced immunity prohibits the broad natural immune system - so those vaccinated will always be vulnerable to variants as the have a narrow immune response. Or something like that.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 2:58pm

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    repetition

    Repetition might work to deepen hypnosis and generally browbeat, but it annoys me.  Repetition can be helpful if the audience is changing such that not all have had the opportunity to hear the important points, or those points require a lot of context before they can be fully understood.  If they are repeated simply because the messenger is not believed to be competent or trustworthy, repetition may seem to the audience as the same tactics used by salesmen and ideologues.  This can be a tricky thing, since another reason for repetition is to celebrate good news with others or to issue a stern warning out of concern, but if the audience projects their own dishonorable characteristics onto you...  I suppose those are the 30% you need not address as your audience.  But the middle, on-the-fence group needs reliable sense-making information from a variety of sources until they have their a-ha! moments, not the same information repeatedly.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 3:55pm

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    One small voice to both mass formations.

    We all know we have been lied to from the outset. This sets up anxiety to begin with. We now no longer believe any narratives. We are angry at being mandated, nudged, cajoled, we feel managed by either idiots or people with agendas. Everything stinks.

    This has set up at least 2 camps over the vaccine some see the vaccine as a saviour or a poison.

    I am in neither camp.

    I wish to bring you some important information that so far has still not been noticed in this tribe so I will try once more:





    I myself actually got my third Pfizer jab/shot a few weeks ago. However I got mine aspirated. I doubt I will have been damaged in the first 2 as I am over 60 with perhaps smaller veins than say a professional sportsman. I had to argue with a nurse to do the old school method (lost wisdom). The extra step I asked her to include takes less than 2 seconds. If she had refused this little English lady the choice of how the vaccine went into my body (my choice) I was going to walk out noisily without my jab and tell the waiting queue why.

    The reason I was prepared to do this, not necessarily for my benefit but to get the clinicians to question their methods. As the WHO tends to ignore anything but western studies our clinicians will be made to do what the WHO advises in their green book which is out of date especially with these new vector not-vaccines.

    Yesterday the western, peer reviewed paper came out that proved aspiration might just be a good idea and save rather a lot of people from death or the living hell of Long AZ or perhaps Long Pfizer.

    Perhaps folks from both camps may derive some comfort this info. Maybe there is a middle road. It could be the delivery rather than the vaccine that is doing some damage.

    What scares me though is this info may give all the vaccine manufacturers absolution from wrong doing even though they never gave aspirated advice just the guidance to inject the deltoid muscle.

     

     

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 5:21pm

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    Aspiration

    It has been noticed in this tribe, many of us follow Dr Campbell and he has been insistent about aspiration. But that cannot explain all the many side effects of the vaccines.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 5:38pm

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    RO said:

    Thank you @RichCabot, I have interacted closely with two or three high functioning "sociopaths" in my lifetime, and, yes, I can accept your explanation as more plausible then my explanation of "guilt".

    Your explanation also explains much better why Fauci was tinkering with adding function to these viruses in the first place.

    To further tease out the "sociopath" thesis:  I wonder what Fauci's family says about him?  How about those people who have worked closely with him over the past 30 years?    We need to start digging deeper!  We need to find the "Mary Trump" in his family.

    I will have to pick up a copy of the book that you mention, maybe some of the answers are in there.

    If he is a sociopath -- then alongside Trump who was another "sociopath" -- that means we've had two soci0paths contribute to nearly completely destroying our American way of life over the past 5 years!

    This is consistent with the experience I've had with sociopaths:  one as a business partner nearly destroyed me personally, and one as a romantic partner nearly killed me.  These people are destroyers of all that is good, just, fair, and has virtue in the world.

    As a humanity, we desperately need to fund research on how sociopaths come to power, how they have contributed to 90% of the destruction of human life and prosperity over recorded human history (Hitler, Musolini ... Xi,Trump, etc.) and how we can design our recruitment and election processes at our organizations and institutions to prevent people who are entirely missing the "empathy" and "love" modules of their brain from becoming leaders of important organizations and institutions.

    I would invest my money in this cause if others would join me.  I had solicited interest from the head of sociology at Stanford to pursue a formal program on this topic a few years ago, and he generally agreed with my thesis, but we didn't end up pursuing it as both of our lives are too busy.  But we should have.

    Chris:  if you are reading.  Let me know if you'd like to share the research proposal that I shared, you have the platform to try to gather people to take up such a cause.  This is a centuries old problem that has never been tackled in a serious way within social science, and one of the most vexing problems facing humanity, imho.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 5:46pm

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    Horrifying.  I have tears in my eyes.  I just ordered the book.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 5:48pm

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    Grand Solar Minimum

    Primary Care_MD wrote:
    What are your thoughts on the Grand Solar Minimum? I recently started following David Dubyne on youtube, and, if he is correct, we have another big problem to worry about: 3 decades of cooler temps, more cloud cover, shorter growing seasons, and less food production -- starting in 2022, gradually worsening, with the nadir in .... 2030.

    The Grand Solar Minimum may be here or not. The best estimates I've seen for this solar cycle (SC25) is it will be similar to solar cycle 24. Most of the basis for this prediction is that the uptick slope of sunspot numbers wouldn't be as strong if the sun was starting a deep sleep like it did in the Maunder Minimum. Unfortunately, our understanding of the sun's inner workings isn't complete enough to make accurate forecasts.

    I haven't heard of David Dubyne's work. Dr. Valentina Zharkova has modeled the sun as a double dynamo and generated some remarkable results with backcasting. Here is a link and abstract to a paper (only 14 pages) she and others wrote that use her double dynamo model to show Grand Minimums and Maximums occur periodically.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2002.06550.pdf

    Recently discovered long-term oscillations of the solar background magnetic field associated with double dynamo waves generated in inner and outer layers of the Sun indicate that the solar activity is heading in the next three decades (2019-2055) to a Modern grand minimum similar to Maunder one. On the other hand, a reconstruction of solar total irradiance suggests that since the Maunder minimum there is an increase in the cycle-averaged total solar irradiance (TSI) by a value of about 1−1.5 W m−2 closely correlated with an increase of the baseline (average) terrestrial temperature. In order to understand these two opposite trends, we calculated the double dynamo summary curve of magnetic field variations backward one hundred thousand years allowing us to confirm strong oscillations of solar activity in regular (11 year) and recently reported grand (350-400 year) solar cycles caused by actions of the double solar dynamo. In addition, oscillations of the baseline (zero-line) of magnetic field with a period of 1950±95 years (a super-grand cycle) are discovered by applying a running averaging filter to suppress large-scale oscillations of 11 year cycles. Latest minimum of the baseline oscillations is found to coincide with the grand solar minimum (the Maunder minimum) occurred before the current super-grand cycle start. Since then the baseline magnitude became slowly increasing towards its maximum at 2700 to be followed by its decrease and minimum at 3700. These oscillations of the baseline solar magnetic field are found associated with a long-term solar inertial motion about the barycenter of the solar system and closely linked to an increase of solar irradiance and terrestrial temperature in the past two centuries. This trend is anticipated to continue in the next five centuries that can lead to a further natural increase of the terrestrial temperature by 2.5◦C

    (Bolding by Grover.) One of the big tenets of AGW is that the total solar irradiance varies by ~0.1% over the course of the ~11 year solar cycle. They therefore conclude that such a small percentage change in TSI can essentially be ignored. It doesn't matter that ALL energy inputs other than solar in total are less than this variance. They just want to blame atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations in order to subjugate the populace. It's the same play book being used for the plandemic. Hmmm.

    The second highlighted portion gives a more credible reason for seeing increased temperatures over the past 2 centuries. She also forecasts that this trend will continue for the next 5 centuries when earth's temperatures will be 2.5°C higher on average. This may be disheartening to most fearful followers of AGW. You can ameliorate your fears knowing that warmer temperatures are more conducive to plant growth. Also, as much as politicians would like to tax carbon emissions and distribute those taxes to the organizations that supply the majority of their campaign funds ... they really are powerless to control this phenomenon.

    Grover

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 6:00pm

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    Free Will, Responsibility, and Evolution

    Great interview!  Much Thanks!

    Makes a lot of sense as a hypothesis/theory; however is it falsifiable?  Don't get me wrong, we need working hypothesis and this one is good, and probably to an extent accurate - at least with respect to the masses.

    However it seems to lead to the following conclusions:

    All totalitarianisms that leads to atrocities are just a scientific phenomena, explained by some form of reductive materialism - although in the case of psychology, we are unable to connect the material to the phenomena, so we have to invent the concept of "mass formation".

    Good/evil?  Responsiblity or free will?  These concepts of course are not scientific so they are jettisoned at the outset, and we are left with:  Hitler, Stalin, Jacobins, etc., were just folks under some hypnosis doing what they thought was right.  Who's responsible then, nobody?

    I reject any theory that denies free will and let's genocidal maniacs and there minions off the hook as being hypnotized (Desmet himself admits that people under hypnosis can't typically be turned into murderers if they weren't already capable of it).   Sure, the masses can be manipulated, using modern psychological warfare to effect a "banality of evil" as Arendt described.

    Desmet seems to go further an imply that the leaders themselves are part of the formation and are under some kind of hypnosis.   Under this theory, the defense of Goering and others at Nuremburg, "just following orders" becomes "I was under a trance" and did not know what I was doing, which of course exculpates one from liability if true since actions are not "voluntary" but rather under hypnosis.

    How does mass formation fit into human evolution?   Can't wait for Richard Dawkins next bestseller in which he  explains how this type of behavior provides fitness for the evolution of homo sapiens .

    Maybe, just maybe free will and free agency drive these types of events and good vs evil is playing out before us.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 6:08pm

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    RO said:

    Thank you for sharing these ideas and resources.  I will study them.

    Personally, as a young professor in my mid- to late 20s I had experiences attended G20 meetings, WEF meetings, APEC meetings, Milken events, etc.

    Today I am in my mid 40s, a private business man, and it's been more than a decade since I attended any of these international forums. I actually walked out on the ivy league professor lifestyle at age 31 as I found it to be entitled, pointless, unproductive, and I needed to be working on grounded problems with small teams to feel I was actually making a difference.

    Anyways, I only mention this personal background, as I need to share it in order to also explain that I have a very hard time based on my personal experience within the "international community" -- as it is called by the insiders who attend WEF meetings -- in accepting any explanations of world events involving any kind of "grand conspiracy theory".

    The emergence of societal level phenomenon is incredibly messy, and I believe we need to be careful not to "over connect the dots" as we try to interpret and understand the path-dependent events of history.

    I do absolutely 100% agree that each of the elements that you describe could exist as key catalysts within the historical narrative, and together the confluence of this set of people and motivations that you have described could very well have had the net effect of creating the "societal psychosis" outcome we are now witnessing.

    My interpretation of history can certainly expand to include all of the people and motivations that you've noted (thank you!), but, I will probably always stop short of any "grand conspiracy theory" kind of explanation, because, in my personal life experience within these various multi-national forums and the people who attend them I've never really seen any "a priori collusion" of that scale or extent.

    What I have witnessed is merely the work of individual actors, the sharing of ideas, and the convergence of the self-interests across various individual, organizational, and state actors leading into a societal inertia, which, and in hindsight it is dangerously tempting to explain this as something that must have been coordinated.

    The thing to watch for is when self-interests of powerful actors converge, and, these are the cracks in history in which the ugliest events can be lurking and hidden!

    As an example, if the US funded the creation of Covid-19 and China hatched it in its laboratory and let it loose on the world, then both of these actors have a vested interest in hiding its true origins!  It is this convergence of self-interest that enables the devilish actions to be covered-up.  Thus, the only real conspiracy is the conspiracy of silence!  Conspiracy of silence, yes, I buy that!

    There is no need to have US and China colluding a priori to explain the cover-up, simply a model of self-interested behavior is enough to explain it, right?

    As another example:  all of the oil majors, automobile companies, transportation industry, and Western governments (who love the tax revenue of the industrial economy) have refused for years to look seriously at climate change.  That is another conspiracy of silence that can be explained by overlapping self-interests.

    This could be a great book title for a book covering the history of the 21st century:  "The Conspiracies of Silence That Led to the Destruction of Humanity in the 21st Century".  🙂

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 6:14pm

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    agree

    agree Rosehip . Connection to Spirit/Soul, Family, then Community

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 6:23pm

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    Catch 22

    Hi Chris, You/We seem to be in a bit of a catch 22. The Human species is in population overshoot. You mention that the world population would have to halve - and for 70% of jobs to go - to achieve a 50% reduction in carbon emissions.

    It would seem that those who are driving the 'Great Reset' agree, and are enacting their plan to achieve that (putting aside that they have been the drivers behind creating the problem/s).

    We can only do our best to survive and work towards a future where they do not maintain control of the world for too long.

     

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 7:00pm

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    "The Psychology of Totalitarianism" or just a "Mass Media induced Psychosis"?

    "Escape from Freedom" by E. F. explains the movement toward "Totalitarianism" far better than any "alienation" that is caused by "anxiety" or by "cognitive dissonance" in or by "hypnosis" in our Western World.

    It is clear that this "psychological operation" and that this "bio-weapon" of Covid-19 is the pretext to inject the actual "bio-weapon" of these spike proteins- all to destroy the immune systems of those foolish enough to buy all of the false "official narratives".

    The 10-20% are intelligent and perceptive enough to see through all the "bs" of the controlled mass media. Only about 30% aren't either, and drink the "koolaid" and the rest just "go along to get along" and are not committed either way and these all can be "deprogrammed".

    Chris was correct in that this is "enemy action" by both sociopaths and psychopaths.

    The genocide and depopulation of the planet, specifically of "Westerners", was all planned since the end of World War 2, by all those that alone actually won that war:

    "They", or the "Usual Suspects", or the "Cabal", or the "Cult" all from ancient Khazaria.

    That is what David Icke and all others that have actually discovered the truth by really connecting all the dots and by following the money and the real history that is "totally unknown" to almost all so-called "historians".

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 7:18pm

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    Down the Rabbit Hole with Island Girl

    This brings us full circle to the conditions for totalitarianism discussed by Dr. Desmet. The hypnosis is needed to obscure the program goals while promoting adherence.

    The pieces are all hiding in plain site, but what ordinary person would concern themselves with this rabbit hole? Normal people simply go about our lives.

    Hence, only the small secrets must be hidden. The really big ones are obscured by public incredulity.

    They have a schedule - Agenda 2030 - and are racing against time to get there. If this all sounds apocalyptic, remember that the Greek word for apocalypse actually means - uncovering or revelation.

    I concur strongly with Island Girl on both problem definition and where ultimately the best solution space (distributed resilience networks )potential is.  Both her posts (#29,#32)  are worth re reading and following the links therein.

    While Mass formation is present.  It was and is, purposefully engineered and promoted by powerful interests. Many of the instigating players are sociopaths, but not all. Some are true believers and some are just followers. Regardless, they are all culpable and they and their agenda need to be stopped and discredited.  I also agree that at it's root this is a metaphysical problem and any solution renewal will need to integrate that at it's core.

    Given the state of the art emotion based propaganda/advertising and psychological manipulation campaign that is driving these agenda items there is Zero chance that this mass formation is  accidental alignment of events or an organic emergence.

    Her brief outline of some of the major interlocking pieces of the puzzle that precedes the above quoted summary captures the essence of what is going on.

    I share the opinion that parallel structures are needed to survive in the short term, in my view they must be low tech and decentralized. Each one must reach a few. And one of the few in each then reach others. And so on. To create a network. Widespread but decentralized nodes will be more resilient to infiltration, as TPTB will do their utmost to undermine them.  Low tech to circumvent high tech control.

    As to the solution space,  I also agree strongly with Island Girl on this but I would modify it by saying that this is a desirable end state and that a "Diagonal" approach would leverage and utilize the very "Enemy"  high tech  and hierarchal structures that we're hoping to outcompete, thus allowing the emergence and successful establishment of the low tech decentralized resilient networks.

    Resilient network topologies is an area of great interest to me and I hope to distill my research and thoughts on this in the near future.

    mm

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 7:23pm

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    Solar cycles & Geomagnetic field cycles

    Total solar output and it's effect on Earth temperatures also needs to take high energy particles into consideration. Especially how they interact and are effected by changes in our geomagnetic field. Cycles/variances of that field (like the polar excursion that seems to be going on at present) interacting with solar particles and galactic cosmic rays, have impacts on cloud cover/planetary albedo. It is not completely understood, and I'm not sure how much those things are included in climate modeling, if at all.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 7:32pm

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    Susan7 said:

    Well, you perplexed me when you listed Trump along with Hitler, Mussolini and Xi as being examples of sociopathy. An ego-driven buffoon much of the time? Yeah, for sure. But you are either woefully ignorant of the historical atrocities of the above-mentioned folks or you are simply media-captured and don’t see it. For all his faults (and they are many) Trump was no sociopath.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 7:41pm

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    Aspiration again

    I am not saying it is the cure all answer. However it seems clear to me that if you do feel the need to be vaccinated you should at least be able ask for it to be delivered in the correct way. I have seen lot of ‘scientific’ info as to why you should not get the vaccine I have also seen equally ‘scientific’ refutations . I always try to challenge my views and maybe moderate my conclusions. Everybody should look at all sides and do risk assessment for themselves.

    None of us have the definitive answer. My own position is different to others so I must make a decision for myself. I just post here to let more info be available for others who may not be aware there are more than 2 choices. I do not stick to a couple of commentators. Uncle Chris has been a great resource and so has Dr. John. One thing I am sure of is I want a life back even if I am going to die of some dreadful disease or some malign vaccine. My younger sister has had long Covid for over a year, it has razed her life to the ground. Whilst it looks like the Omicron could be quite mild for the vaccinated we have no idea how it may affect non vaccinated individuals yet. I truly hope this version is not such a big deal for anybody.  I really wish all well with their choice. I would not mind chancing my arm at this version with a little protection as I am in the age group who has a much reduced chance of doing well. I would like the natural immunity if possible and looking at the infection figures in the U.K. today I may just have to deal with it myself. I do not for a minute believe that I have a ticking time bomb in me that seems to be flexible as time goes on. I have not got a new auto immune disease my heart has not so much fluttered . Even if the bomb explodes I might just have a little time to have my real life back before I peg it. Younger fit people have the luxury to choose, some of us are faced with Hobson’s choice. Get the vaccine and suffer maybe, or get Covid and suffer maybe.

    I will never curl my lip at others who have made a different choice to me.

    The only thing we can all be sure of is we are considered, by the ‘great and the good’   too stupid to handle the real truth and we all know there are many guilty parties with blood on their hands but never will be brought to book.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 8:24pm

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    Ra,

    What was your reaction to John Campbell’s admission that he did NOT aspirate his recent booster shot? I saw it in one of his updates, as an aside to underscore the point that apparently it’s futile to expect aspiration.

    If you missed it, John Campbell said he did argue to receive an aspirated booster but he was refused so he simply accepted the un-aspirated booster.

    My reaction? I was shocked. Then I felt deeply sad for John Campbell. Then I wondered what kind of cognitive dissonance he must be experiencing. I cannot imagine the situation where John Campbell, with his decades of experience, obvious kindness, concern for his fellow humans, and scientific knowledge submits his integrity to the know-nothing clerk who administered the shot. What a farce.

     

     

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 8:36pm

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    Excellent

    Thank-you Chris & Mattias, this helps explain the feelings and opinions my wife and I have had over the past year or more.  We contributed the hysteria to "politics", but this mp3 explains it so succinctly.  First post for a long-time reader.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 8:42pm

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    oh my.. i hope he stays well. i like him. he seems to really care..he was a close second to Chris M.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 9:14pm

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    Check out Suspicious Observers website, extreme excellence.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 9:35pm

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    John Cambell

    If you missed it, John Campbell said he did argue to receive an aspirated booster but he was refused so he simply accepted the un-aspirated booster.

    My reaction? I was shocked. Then I felt deeply sad for John Campbell. Then I wondered what kind of cognitive dissonance he must be experiencing. I cannot imagine the situation where John Campbell, with his decades of experience, obvious kindness, concern for his fellow humans, and scientific knowledge submits his integrity to the know-nothing clerk who administered the shot. What a farce.

    A farce indeed, I don't doubt that John Cambell is a good well meaning person.  That comes through in his videos.  That said.  I think he is functionally a useful idiot.

    He has been consistently 9 months  to a year  behind Chris and others in identifying useful information such as efficacy of Ivermectin.  He is prone to being taken in by disinformation such as the initial campaign against HCQ and he invariably credulously  accepts governmental statistics.

    He has conflated his strong life long institutional indoctrination and acceptance of traditional vaccines into a pro mRNA "Vaccine" stance despite the criminal roll out and testing schedule of those agents and easily deconstructed statistical manipulations of their  alleged efficacy not to mention that they operate by radically different mechanisms.

    His grand thesis on lack of aspiration as being causal on incidence of myocarditis was easily disproved with a statistical analysis as the age group of vaccinations shifted to younger cohorts.    Does the significantly higher incidence of myocarditis in young males mean that the they have significantly higher accidental venous injections then the young female cohort  or older cohorts?  Which is not to say that all things being equal it's probably better to get the poison in the muscle rather than a vein.  Either way, the spike protein is a poison.

    Sometimes there is no middle ground.  There is no mass formation around the idea that these mRNA "vaccines" are bad.  This is not a deluded group psychosis. That is a false equivalency with the pro vax institutionally driven compromised propaganda created mass formation we're discussing.

    Rather the anti vax consensus and advocacy is a growing awareness and body of people working and advocating for the actual science and the emerging body of proof that (even taking the whole early treatment silver bullet out of the equation ) when you strip away the disinformation and statistical manipulation about the actual number and distribution of covid deaths coupled with multiple  rigorous statistical analysis of the actual scope of complications including death (like what Steve Kirsche has done) they kill and injure more people than they help. Conservatively, by a factor of two.

    The fact that you don't drop dead immediately from the jab is statistically to be expected.  That  doesn't discount the fact that there is proof that it doubles your risk of cardiac or stroke events within five years not to mention making you vulnerable to a host of complications running the gamut from neurological complications, accelerated cancers, prion and other diseases to autoimmune reactions and of course proven compounding deleterious effects on natural immunity.

    Like these Vax treatments John Campbell and his trusting milk toast medical detective skills does more harm than good.

    mm

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 9:48pm

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    Aspiration only makes a difference if the needle hits a vein. Then you reposition the needle until you don't hit a vein.

    Poster Ra. in #38 above reasons that if you are aspirated you are better protected from damage and I would not necessarily agree. If you are aspirated, that means the mRNA is injected into your muscle tissue as intended where it enters the local cells and pumps out spike proteins. Spike proteins are what cause the cardiovascular problems.

    If you aren't aspirated and hit a vein, then all that toxic soup goes straight to your heart and causes a whole different set of problems, as Kyle the mountain biker from Idaho experienced (he stated that the second jab didn't leave any pain afterwards, which means the liquid was injected straight into a vein and didn't cause any local tissue tearing as that volume is injected into a muscle.) I would think that the production of spike proteins would be less if you hit a vein, since there would be less uptake into cells via the blood vessels? But I don't really know.

    So either way, you are risking it. And seeing what damage this stuff does when it goes straight to the heart via a vein, I'm not so sure I feel any better about it going into my arm muscle. At this point, I have lost almost all concern for Covid. I have the treatments available if needed and other than that, I just don't care.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 9:53pm

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    You are on fire today Meme....

    A farce indeed, I don't doubt that John Cambell is a good well meaning person. That comes through in his videos. That said. I think he is functionally a useful idiot.

    He has been consistently 9 months to a year behind Chris and others in identifying useful information such as efficacy of Ivermectin. He is prone to being taken in by disinformation such as the initial campaign against HCQ and he invariably credulously accepts governmental statistics.

    He has conflated his strong life long institutional indoctrination and acceptance of traditional vaccines into a pro mRNA "Vaccine" stance despite the criminal roll out and testing schedule of those agents and easily deconstructed statistical manipulations of their alleged efficacy not to mention that they operate by radically different mechanisms.

    Exactly.. Campbell has been two steps behind all along.  While it's nice to see people like him waking up.. his commentary is not going to help us stay ahead of the globalist WEF ratchet.  I will stay here to wargame the future of the globalist, WEF tyrannical ratchet.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 10:02pm

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    @ RO post #44 - I can see your perspective and concur with some of it

    Thanks RO for reading the long post and responding.  I shared only a few links to give an overview but I think you got the gist. I hope you will peruse some of the links.

    Thanks for sharing your personal experience with international forums. I notice that your involvement dates back some time. Consider perhaps that the urgency around resource allocation, population growth, energy declines, etc. may have grown considerably in the interim.

    I agree that not every aspect of what is happening is necessarily a "grand conspiracy" and I understand that this feels like a bridge too far. I would not have thought this way at all back in March 2020, there has been a slow evolution based on observation. It became apparent to me by July or so of 2020 that something was amiss. Like Chris, I initially came at this from a scientific perspective and could see the incongruities,  inconsistencies, biased data gathering, the perverse incentives, and  the counter-productive measures in the public health response. These have to be in service of something.

    As time went on, it became rather apparent - to me at least - that there is a high level of coordination, from finance to media and in between.

    In terms of forms of influence that could drive what we are observing, you might consider a framework of concentric circles, in which a core set of players coordinate a strategic design with various domains, and others further afield play a role through self-interest in their domains. The further out in the periphery, the less aware one is of how measures adopted in response to various authorities may be in service of a larger but not fully apparent strategy.

    Is this a possible framework? Consider the following interactive widget on COVID-19 from the WEF website. Every node in it expands into a detailed widget of its own.  It suggests a highly comprehensive, top level strategic plan to be implemented in multiple dimensions with detailed action steps for each. This level of detail must have been very long in the making.

    https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1G0X000006O6EHUA0?utm_source=57N0ECrQAg7ZPOUXugaGj2Zm9E2p50GR6bWV9jtt&utm_medium=intelligence-widget&utm_campaign=widget.intelligence.weforum.org&utm_content=/embedding-our-covid-19-widget.html

     

     

     

     

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 10:18pm

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    Regarding aspiration

    I think Dr. Campbell makes a reasonable point that injecting the mRNA directly into a vein will carry the payload to the heart. This would deliver a bolus dose and account for acute, immediate responses. However, I think the lipid nanoparticles injected into muscle tissue can disseminate via the lymphatic system and enter the bloodstream that way as well.  This, I suspect would be a slower process with broader tissue distribution of the administered dose.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 10:38pm

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    RO said:

    In addition to narcissism disorder, Trump also demonstrates clear sociopathic tendencies.

    He made it very clear that he would kill his own Vice President without any remorse shown whatsoever.

    He was willing to end the American experiment for his own personal empowerment.

    Here is his own family member Mary Trump who is a clinical psychologist describing his complete lack of empathy and diagnosing him as having sociopathic tendencies:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGifBYOrxjg.  (start at 2:30)

    "I think its safe to say that he exhibits sociopathic tendencies, and its equally fair to say that he's not high-functioning at all".   (to your point about him being a buffoon!)

    In another video she says:  "He is incapable of caring about other human beings to the extent that they can be useful to him."

    Based on everything that I've read and all of the psychologists and psychiatrists whom I've talked to, the consensus analysis for Donald is severe narcissistic personality disorder with overlapping sociopathic tendencies.

    The fact that he is low-functioning is why he's not quite as scary as some of the high-functioning sociopaths, i.e., he is not a capable operator and totally bungled his coup attempt.

    What was scary with Trump -- especially given that he was holding the nuclear codes -- was his low-functioning, petulant, and erratic behavior.

     

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 10:39pm

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    I think what caused Kyle his problems was not the lipid nanoparticles but the other chemicals in the jab, some unknown and others not.

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  • Fri, Dec 03, 2021 - 11:36pm

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    @ mm - look forwardx to your research on resilient networks

    Thanks for your comments. Looking forward to hearing your additional thoughts.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 12:25am

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    Thank you

    An amazing interview.  Chris, you asked all the important questions.

    Thank you.

    -Travis

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 1:03am

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    Thanks, Arthur - the 'mother' principle is near us ...

    ... in many forms.  I lean on Mary, the Mother of God, whom I met as a child in church.  The 'she' of many names may be our only hope in this seemingly final dealing with the Powers and Principalities of the 'second choice Master'... Mammon  ox

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 1:31am

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    Response to Teal

    The Overmother was a real Office in our Materium, as Clif High calls it.

    She was voted into Office by the Maidens on the death or resignation of the previous Overmother. Her role was akin to an Agony Aunt, but with a lot more influence. Her Maidens could ruin a man through scandal. (Overmothers had to be Virgin so that their Mothering instincts were transferred to the Tribe)

    She could not mandate, only council; and if she had no advice to give, the supplicant had to leave empty handed after a week. The penalty for an Overmother giving malicious advice was death; although if 50% of the tribe sided with her, she could leave and take her supporters with her, for the majority may be as wrong as the minority.

    If we expose the profound stupidity of the corner-stone of Communists and their ilk, that all men are "equal" then we are free to suppose that some people have a proclivity towards the animate (Womenfolk are more interested in People), and some are more predisposed to the inanimate. ("Wife with tractor wanted. Please send photo of tractor.")

    Then we are in a position to say that In peacetime Women should be running society.

    Abrahamism, with it's emphasis on The Angry old Man god has crippled the Tribe. We cannot maximize our talents.

    Take a look around you. Who organizes birthday parties? Who teaches the children?

    Is it any wonder our womenfolk went mad and became feminists?

    Ref: The Oera Linda.

    The Eeremoeder governs the whole country. The kings can do nothing, nor can anything happen without her advice and approval. The first Eeremoeder was appointed by Frya herself, and was called Fâsta.

    Sandbach, William R.. The Oera Linda Book (p. 21). Library of Alexandria. Kindle Edition.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 2:20am

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    Diminishing Magnetic Fields

    CatastrophicNewEngland wrote:

    Total solar output and it's effect on Earth temperatures also needs to take high energy particles into consideration. Especially how they interact and are effected by changes in our geomagnetic field. Cycles/variances of that field (like the polar excursion that seems to be going on at present) interacting with solar particles and galactic cosmic rays, have impacts on cloud cover/planetary albedo. It is not completely understood, and I'm not sure how much those things are included in climate modeling, if at all.

    CatastrophicNewEngland,

    The earth's magnetic shield has been diminishing at an increasing rate recently. At the same time, the magnetic poles are going on "walk about." The magnetic north pole used to wander around the northern reaches of Eastern Canada. Now, it is on the eastern side of the International Dateline. The southern magnetic pole is now off the coast of Antarctica and heading toward New Zealand.

    The earth's weakening magnetic shield has many consequences as you noted. Combine that with a weakening solar magnetosphere from a less-energetic sun. A weaker magnetic system doesn't deflect charged particles as effectively That allows more high-energy charged particles (cosmic rays) that were ejected by stars during nova events easier access to our system. As you alluded, cosmic rays can and do seed clouds and cause nitrogen-14 14N to become unstable carbon-14 14C.

    If the atmosphere doesn't intercept them, they can and do pass through your body. For an average person, a few to several cosmic rays per second typically enter uninvited. Most pass through without incidence. Some impact a cell's DNA and can cause changes. Some changes are mutagenic and can result in cancer. (It is just a numbers game and can't be mitigated; therefore, it isn't worth worrying about - just like global warming.)

    Cosmic rays also can pass through the atmosphere through the crust and into the asthenosphere where they can interact with siliceous mantle and release entrained water. This results in more active volcanoes. As the released water gets forced out, the pressure that keeps the high-temperature water in a liquid state suddenly disappears and the water flashes into steam. Hence, more violent and explosive eruptions occur.

    During the recent Grand Solar Maximum (20th century) volcanic activity has been significantly diminished. Ejecta from volcanoes can and does impact albedo and thus realized solar irradiance. Look at historical data compared to the 20th century and you'll see a dearth of strong volcanic activity during the last century. That is beginning to change.

    Frankly, I don't know what is included in the climate models that wrongly conclude that anthropogenic CO2 is to blame for the recently increasing atmospheric temperatures. One thing I've noticed is that these models all start near the mid 19th century when the industrial revolution began. Coincidentally, that was about a century after the Maunder Minimum and Little Ice Age. Because of buffering capacity in the oceans and atmosphere, there is a considerable lag of about a century between increased irradiance and atmospheric temperatures. Who would have guessed that glaciers would advance during those years of shorter summers and longer winters? Obviously not the global warming worry warts who decry disappearing glaciers now. For some people, it is hard to connect dots. Hmmm.

    I'd really like to see one of these wondrous climate models get tested against prehistoric temperature records from ice core data (temperature records based on proxies.) Since humans only started the industrial revolution in the mid 19th century, CO2 concentrations should have been fairly constant. I'm just guessing that the climate models (based on CO2 concentrations) would miss all the variability that the earth's weather has produced.

    Unfortunately, the big-player people who espouse anthropogenic climate change and claim that we only have a few years to avoid catastrophic results ... are the same people who are pushing these vaxxines under threat of government violence. Yet, these people fly private jets to the COP26 conference to discuss how we need to stop the little people from consuming so much fossil fuel. Am I the only one who thinks they are hypocrites?

    Grover

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 2:43am

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    It would be crazy for, say, a plumber to take this burden

    when the tap is frozen in winter........

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 4:19am

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    Ra. said:

    Hi Mr. Micheal. Yes I did see that Dr John failed to get his vaccination aspirated, my jaw dropped. I was hoping he would explain what I know is a difficult conversation it is to persuade an un willing or unwitting vaccine giver ( he may yet). He was too busy looking at the “blood leak” research yesterday and was not at his own home at the time. I do believe he said that this vaccine giver did not know how to aspirate. As you well know Dr. John is perhaps a quieter and more patient English chap. I was like you sad for him but raised my Roger Moore eyebrow that a) he acquiesced and had it anyway and b) could not find anybody that would or could listen to a teacher of nurses all  over the world and do as he asked. Perhaps he decided that he, like myself had less risk of vaccine damage due to his age and physique. You may guess I am a little more feisty.

    I have watched this delightfully respectful English  gent give thoughtful breakdowns of all the worldwide data, international studies in language that is very accessible to anybody with an ordinary education. As time progressed I watched him get more and more sceptical and tight lipped at the stupidity and lies coming from the WHO and expedient government scientists. I am quite sure he was very aware he could be de platformed as Uncle Chris was for simply telling the truth on line. I clapped and cheered him on as he campaigned along side Dr Tess Laurie to get our government to do a clinical study on the horse dewormer. Oxford was reportedly starting a trial on 23d June, we all know it went there to die.

    I fell about laughing when he was ‘fact checked’ by journalists because of Jimmy Dore’s respect for him.

    For a retired, mild mannered guy he is turning into a cynic before our eyes.

    I must admit that this whole shoddy affair has been an eye opener to those that care about our world and everybody that temporarily shares space on this little blue rock.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 5:23am

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    Thank you Dr Andreas Noack

    Aspirated or not, the red flag is the hidden ingredient is a carbon product in the vaccines graphene hydroxide, not graphene oxide as listed. Dr Andreas Noack, the whistleblower who lost his life soon after making his video sharing with the world his discovery. Bless you for your sacrifice to share your discovery with us. Here is the study is also mentions in his presentation https://filedn.com/lNcSErof1HQYvaQ3T6q9gBJ/Nov%202021/FINAL_VERSION_CAMPRA_REPORT_DETECTION_OF_GRAPHENE_IN_COVID19_VACCINES.report.pdf

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 6:06am

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    Wow!!

    This is amazing. I have been struggling to understand the insanity of what has been happening and this just wrapped it up for me in one neat package. I have been puzzled by the fact that some very smart people that I know have been caught up by all of this so i couldn't just blame it on stupidity or people who get their news only on TV. This does explain it.

     

    As well, I have noticed that this seems to have impacted some groups much less such as the Amish or Hassidic Jews who seem to have been less likely to have gotten caught up in the Covidian cult. Given the close communal ties to each other and that they are much less likely to have been isolated and alone, this would explain that.

    I'm guessing that as my state has a whole lot of people with some mental health issues, gender confusion stuff, drugs etc, plus probably the least religious state in the country, it could help explain why it has so embraced the vax and all the rest.

    So now what? I'm going to continue speaking out when I can. Try to network with and socialize with those who are like minded so we can support each other.

    But I don't know about the forgiveness part if/when this finally is over. Are all of those who have been forcibly vaxed, lost their jobs and careers, been turned on by family and friends etc supposed to just forgive? Maybe they can in which case they're a better person than me. I can't. I won't be able to trust these people anymore. I've seen how quickly they turned on us and what they were willing to do to us.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 6:16am

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    A little humility here

    Whilst there is plenty of interesting info and links posted here, there is no definitive truth found for anybody regardless of opinion on the vaccine matter. We are all facing decisions under pressure and all have differing positions from which to make them. I do not believe we should ask our young to have the vaccine as none of us absolutely know the ramifications further down the line. They can never make an informed choice, let alone misinformed choice. I can eat all kinds of seafood except squid of all things. So which component am I allergic to? ( I am sure somebody here knows exactly what it is) Should I start a campaign to ban it from restaurants?

    I have seen intimidation from crowds outside surgeries directed at the vaccination queues and outside schools. I have seen governments mandating vaccines and banning unvaccinated people from anywhere remotely enjoyable.

    We have just seen an important video yet some here are calling people not present insulting names. Just because some people are self assured in their stance they are setting up people with different arguments as ‘other’ with insults. Whilst I am sure all of this tribe has an IQ score in triple figures, perhaps some would not score quite so well with emotional IQ. We are all sitting here with screens between us, not in a debating hall human face to human face. Stabbing a person physically would be a difficult thing to do for most. Using a drone to kill a stranger seems to be acceptable these days unless it is leaked to the wider public.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 7:00am

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    looseesee said:

    Does anyone have links to research about how children don't really transmit covid and/or cognitive harms on children of mask wearing (for children or of others around them)?

    Thanks 🙏🏼

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 7:02am

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    "Wow!!", Forgiveness?

    Let the punishments match the seriousness of the crimes.

    You should forgive, but just only for your own heart's sake.

    In the end, God, Providence, Fate, or History, will be the judge!

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 7:11am

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    Replying to Thank you Dr Andreas Noack (#70)

    A brave man indeed. RIP.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 7:42am

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    "Humility" and "Emotional Intelligence".

    Yes, both are needed for balance and perspective here.

    But, to understand the fact that our ship of civilization has been deliberately torpedoed by a clever and insidious and malicious and a disguised enemy is the first step towards positive action.

    This damage and fire is severe enough to sink the ship and we need to decide if we can still fix it, or just get into the lifeboats and just try to survive the pending disaster.

    I know that the time is short now and that the latter choice is our best bet to make it.

    Prepare now, while you still can do so, or regret it after the ship inevitability goes down.

    Resilience and mental and emotional toughness is the only way to increase your odds of survival in these "Dark Times".

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 9:11am

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    Forgiveness

    I haven't listened to this interview yet, but I have heard the professor in other interviews.  Regarding forgiveness, in the past he emphasized forgiving the average people who got caught up in the craziness and NOT forgiving the evil bastards who were the root cause of the Mass Formation.

    Also, many psychologists and religions teach that forgiveness does NOT mean you trust someone again; it means that you stop carrying the poison of what THEY did to you, stop yearning for revenge, and get on with your life.  Example, me constantly telling myself how much I hate Fauci, or my state's governor doesn't impact them and messes up my mind.  I do believe Fauci is evil, and given an opportunity I will do what I can to hold him accountable.  But that doesn't make me miserable on a daily basis.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 9:17am

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    Dr. Campbell

    Like many here, I've learned a lot from Dr. Campbell and appreciate his hard work to share FACTS with the world.  However,  EVERY single time he has come up against a public agency NOT promoting the right thing for public health, his public comments are those of a guy who can't IMAGINE why the agency isn't acting on convincing data.  Vitamin D, Ivermectin, and injection aspiration are two examples.  He can't bring himself to admit that there is a perfectly good explanation for the way things have played out:  the priority of government agencies is NOT public health.  Until he can bring himself to flip that switch, he will continue to be befufddled and mostly compliant.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 9:32am

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    VTGothic said:

    I fully agree that the crux of our problem is our increasingly mechanistic view - not just of humankind,  but also (and perhaps more importantly) of the natural world. And I think that our cities are emblematic. In cities we literally pave over the natural world with asphalt and cement; bury the rivers and replace them with pipes; root out the trees and glades for balconies and potted plants; banish wildlife for zoos and compliant pets; eliminate gardens for grocery coolers; give up building a lifestyle to buy one off a shelf. No wonder we lack meaning and feel isolated even when (particularly when) surrounded by millions of anonymous faces. Urban settings are anti-human technocratic enclaves where even the dark of night is banished, the hours of the clock mean nothing, circadian rhythms are overpowered by power drinks, and temperature and humidity are regulated to personal preferences.

    Now the technocratic gods want to make the sun stand still in its place. They want to banish time. They've already banished the night, why not the year? The cycle of life and death? The long rhythm of the earth heating and cooling in succession - the very respiration of the universe? (Or do you think that if we ever successfully froze carbon emissions at some determined level we would subsequently allow it to fluctuate, as it has for millennia before we burned oil - or trees? And if we did, would it not be according to our schedule, not nature's?)

    Too often, people who move to the country take the urban aesthetic with them. They hire someone else to tend the yard, install ac, put up flood lights to keep the dangerous dark away from the dooryard, draw curtains even when there's no one to peer in, and stare at urban-oriented television programming rather than gaze outward and fall into the natural world.

    We treat our bodies the same way. If I have this ailment, I take that synthetic compound to relieve it, just as I put nitrogen into nearly dead soil to stimulate a season's vegetables. We do this rather than cultivate a healthy terrain, a naturally vital ecology both inside and outside our bodies. We go to the gym to systematically target muscle groups and specific health goals rather than get outside to till the soil, feed the animals, move the rocks and fell the trees to shape into lumber to construct the new building. We get on a treadmill and simulate hills and valleys while listening to the Top 40 through earbuds, privately, in isolation although lined up with twenty other people doing exactly the same lonely exercise rather than go for a long walk in the woods and up and down hillsides, ears wide open, listening to the small sounds of nature and falling into the rhythm of seasons; or sharing a hike or a farmstead chore with a neighbor, a spouse, or a child.

    Of course we're crazy. Of course we're desperate for some sign that we belong, that we matter, that there's a reality larger than ourselves that we can sink into through service. Service is meaning-generating effort. Most of us just don't know where to look for it any longer. We've forgotten who we are, what we are.

    I'm a theologian. I fought for a couple decades against the tendency even in formal theology to confuse the psyche with the soul, to conflate having a feeling with experiencing spiritual insight, to replace spiritual rectitude with political ideology. Our forebears knew the differences; lived them. We call them primitive, pre-scientific, and superstitious.

    I think what is superstitious is the belief that we can make ourselves our own gods and fashion the world in our own image. That is anti-scientific and suicidal. Also, of course, finally homicidal - which, spiritually speaking is pretty much the same thing. The problem is as old as humankind, which means that our reversion to this ideology is the truly primitive view. Every major religion and spiritual path knows better. Our adherents to scientism don't; they know worse. And they're our vision-casters - at least for a while longer.

    What we are participating in is the demise of this latest, greatest incarnation of the Great Lie encoded in every spiritual discipline. In the Judeo-Christian tradition it's in Genesis:

    Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?' " And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.' " And the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, [directly] knowing good and evil."

    That is the Lie: that we can know for ourselves what is good to do and what is evil. The Great Reset is nothing more than the Great Lie dressed up in a technocratic dream coat. And what God said is true: the day we eat of that fruit is the day we set about to kill ourselves.

    But we think we're smarter than that...

    So the woman saw that the tree was good food, that it is desirable to make oneself wise. Therefore she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked.

    Naked. Not a fig leaf's worth of rationalization to hide the truth about what they had done and who they had become. They were hiding from no one; not themselves and not God. Only the thin veneer of self-justifying lies obscured from their immediate consciousness the certain knowledge that they had blown it. At that point, and until today, only metanoia could reverse the disaster.

    Metanoia, the deep, foundational recognition of one's faulty path that results in repentance - which is stopping in one's tracks, turning about, and walking in the opposite direction.

    That is not the path humankind chose. Instead...

    They sewed fig leaves to make themselves coverings. And when they heard the sound of the Lord walking in the garden in the breeze of the afternoon, Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God. (Gen. 3:1-8)

    As if. Yet, here we are. Pretending we killed God and established ourselves on his throne.

    Robey likes to say on this site that the Abrahamic faiths are about guilt and shame. Not so. They are about identifying the root of the problem, being honest with ourselves, and changing direction. Not moving on to new fig leaves and regurgitated threadbare self-rationalizations and fantasies, but giving up the enterprise of being our own little gods capable of getting it right this time, competent to rule over nature. We are about metanoia and repentance. That is, admitting the truth, stopping in our tracks, and turning around to walk back into the Light (of ancient wisdom) in order to become the "living spirits" who "tend and keep" creation (Gen 2:7, 15).

    Biblically, to tend and keep is to serve; that is, to nurture, care for, uplift, ennoble, give one's life to, or even husband according to the true meaning of that word. It does not mean abandoning technology, it means knowing the affirmative role of human ingenuity and exercising discipline over our appetites accordingly. To "tend and keep" is to embrace and live into our place in the natural order, rather than try to subject nature and the natural world to our self-referential notions of order; notions of order conceived in fevered brains that fantasize their godly status, but truly hardly know themselves.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 9:50am

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    Conspiracies are only at the top

    RO. Conspiracies are only at the top.  It's mass formation and self interest below that.

    The RFK book shows in detail how Fauci's control of billions in research funding drives the behavior of the academic community.  I'm sure it will jive with your experience in international conferences.  It jives with my experience in academia.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 10:02am

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    Rich delusional megalomaniacs came up with an ideology…

    Not only is this video enlightening but it gives a fantastic counter argument to the label « conspiracy theorist» : the mess we’re in is not the result of a conspiracy but the result of a bunch of rich megalomaniac ideologists (afraid to lose their privileges) who think they found the only way to fix their problems and ours.  And, of course, they have to force it on us because they think our brain is inferior to theirs.

    So the story goes : rich delusional megalomaniacs came up with an ideology => totalitarian technocracy for « our » own good…

    II is bound to self destruct but in the meantime it’s close to hell for a lot of unhypnotizable minds.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 10:25am

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    Re Conspiracies only at the top

    Yes, that makes sense to me. I don’t for a minute assume that Fauci or Gates for example are victims of mass hypnosis. They know full well what they are doing. But yes, even at the level of heads of state I would suppose that many are also victims of mass formation. So I don’t necessarily think that the heads of many countries are just evil and part of the planners of this. I honestly now believe that most are also just caught up in this; some are of the 30% true believers and the rest are going along to get along. Which goes a long way towards answering my puzzlement over why the heads of countries that I’m positive do love their country and it’s citizens (such as Israel for example) have gotten caught up in this to such an extreme and have instituted draconian measures that are harming the very citizens they love.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 10:28am

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    Climate change is being used

    I don't doubt that the basic premise of climate change is true.  I also agree that the effects of varying solar output are being ignored.  I'm sure that the powers that shouldn't be are using the problem for their own gain.  Carbon offsets will be traded with Wall Street skimming big percentages.  Businesses and individuals will be controlled to the benefit of big business under the guise of mitigating climate change.  The hollowing out of small business during the plandemic is a precursor of what to expect.

    The thing I've never seen included in climate change models is peak oil.  Models show disaster in 2100 or even earlier but these assume continued growth in fossil fuel consumption.  The reality is we can't continue our current level of consumption.   It just isn't there.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 10:40am

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    Fauci should pay for his role

    It is paramount for the elite to plan a control system in order to keep their grip on the economic and political processes.
    Therefore we are experiencing a plan, where the virus and the vax are only parts of a plan. 5G is mandatory for control.
    I believe that a future tech will allow a nno ID to be added to each one of us. This is the reason why they want a shot on every arm.
    ___
    So, I can tolerate those on the other side, but can't excuse Fauci and some others that should be trailed for crimes against humanity.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 10:59am

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    ckessel said:

    What a great interview and comments. My thoughts are all over the place as I read through the comments and various links. One thing caught my attention that Mark_BC mentioned:

    "One thing that I see as different this time is that in all previous totalitarian collapse scenarios, people had a bright future to look forward to afterwards. They were in a time of increasing energy extraction which could fuel the emergence of vibrant rebirths of devastated societies over the following decades."

    I agree that this is a grave predicament but not that it necessarily means there is no bright future to look forward to. Examples abound all over the world of works created by societies that figured out methods of survival in a much lower net energy per capita environment. Yes, there was much hard work involved no question about it. I'm sure the life styles were much less comfortable without the net energy that fossil fuels provide us.

    But there are also many unanswered questions about how that lifestyle was achieved and what the exact societal relationships were between the members of those societies. Were the Incas a happy group while they tilled the potato fields and worked out methods to construct their magnificent stone architecture? How about the Mayans, the Anasazi or the folks on Easter Island?  There is a lot we don't know here and understanding the happiness, contentment, etc. of the population is more difficult to know. All of them faced inevitable change that is the one constant in nature.

    Of course the planet that the future generations will inherit is a much more depleted space than that occupied by the previous inhabitants. That is a huge predicament and I agree that the transition looks rather bleak. Somehow the resources that remain will get distributed amongst a population that can figure out a way to live off what is left ..... or not.

    But I am an optimist. I think humanity has the potential to find a way. We have the potential and I think it will take all of us, the plumber, the scholar, the farmer, the engineer and the architect all working together within the communities that can find a way to come together in the face of overwhelming odds to work out the gory details of becoming good stewards to the planet and sharing the resources with all living things.

    It's a good thing to have a challenge and this one is a doozie.

    This is not intended to in any way make light of the dire situation we face. It is just my way of facing it! I'm all in on making it happen and I really appreciate having this blog and Chris leading the information scouting job!

    We are also  busy setting up a local community gathering to replay this interview and discuss some local options for dealing with the mass formation.

    Coop

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 12:01pm

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    Congress to investigate Fauci

    Julie, re: doing what you can about Fauci, I don't know if you're aware of the call for Congress to investigate Fauci by Rand Paul and others? The info is on RFK's CHD website    The more who sign the merrier. I'm sure we're all already on a list somewhere anyway.

    ttps://childrenshealthdefense.org/child-health-topics/take-action/demand-full-investigation-the-real-anthony-fauci

     

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 12:07pm

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    @VT Gothic post #79 - Thank You

    VT Gothic - thank you for that penetrating and succinct analysis of our present situation. Like you, I see Genesis 3 as the spiritual key to what ails the human condition. These insights have not endured for nothing. The ultimate manifestation of what you describe is transhumanism - which aims to be like gods and never die.

    The present apocalyptic moment is an unveiling or a revelation. May this awakening ultimately lead to metanoia - a change of heart that changes our lives accordingly.

     

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 12:28pm

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    The Adam and Eve Parable

    The Adam and Eve Parable doesn't really illustrate any such "Great Lie" at all.

    It does illustrate the moment when man became "self aware" and "human" vs.

    or as opposed to being "unaware" and "animalistic" or just "purely instinctive".

     

    The actual "Original Sin" and or "Greatest Lie" was the "Mosaic Distinction"

    all of which all created a schism all between Divinity and Man and Nature

    and this led to the "materialism" and that "mechanistic outlook" that you

    correctly decry.

     

    The Divine Soul of the Creator is within everything and transcends everything

    and is the uncreated source of everything and is that to which everything all

    returns in cycles.

     

    That recognition that we are One Soul, but with temporal individuated bodies,

    makes us the consubstancial merger of soul or of spirit with our living matter,

    and that we are just the material radios that falsely confuse the "ego self" with that,

    verses actually being the signal and or the broadcast that's all from the Divine Spirit.

     

    When we rediscover what we truly are and why we are truly here-

    and what our true destiny should be,

    we will be back upon the path of life,

    and be proper "stewards of all of life".

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 12:38pm

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    J said:

    great..I wanted to sign but it would not let me. kept saying my address was invalid.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 12:44pm

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    Bonhoeffer in 1943 writing about the “stupid” masses. Sounds like “mass formation.”

    https://southsidemessenger.com/bonhoeffer-on-stupidity-entire-quote/

    Taken from a circular letter, addressing many topics, written to three friends and co-workers in the conspiracy against Hitler, on the tenth anniversary of Hitler’s accession to the chancellorship of Germany…

    ‘Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed- in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self-satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. For that reason, greater caution is called for than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.

    ‘If we want to know how to get the better of stupidity, we must seek to understand its nature. This much is certain, that it is in essence not an intellectual defect but a human one. There are human beings who are of remarkably agile intellect yet stupid, and others who are intellectually quite dull yet anything but stupid. We discover this to our surprise in particular situations. The impression one gains is not so much that stupidity is a congenital defect, but that, under certain circumstances, people are made stupid or that they allow this to happen to them. We note further that people who have isolated themselves from others or who live in solitude manifest this defect less frequently than individuals or groups of people inclined or condemned to sociability. And so it would seem that stupidity is perhaps less a psychological than a sociological problem. It is a particular form of the impact of historical circumstances on human beings, a psychological concomitant of certain external conditions. Upon closer observation, it becomes apparent that every strong upsurge of power in the public sphere, be it of a political or of a religious nature, infects a large part of humankind with stupidity. It would even seem that this is virtually a sociological-psychological law. The power of the one needs the stupidity of the other. The process at work here is not that particular human capacities, for instance, the intellect, suddenly atrophy or fail. Instead, it seems that under the overwhelming impact of rising power, humans are deprived of their inner independence, and, more or less consciously, give up establishing an autonomous position toward the emerging circumstances. The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us to the fact that he is not independent. In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with a person, but with slogans, catchwords and the like that have taken possession of him. He is under a spell, blinded, misused, and abused in his very being. Having thus become a mindless tool, the stupid person will also be capable of any evil and at the same time incapable of seeing that it is evil. This is where the danger of diabolical misuse lurks, for it is this that can once and for all destroy human beings.

    ‘Yet at this very point it becomes quite clear that only an act of liberation, not instruction, can overcome stupidity. Here we must come to terms with the fact that in most cases a genuine internal liberation becomes possible only when external liberation has preceded it. Until then we must abandon all attempts to convince the stupid person. This state of affairs explains why in such circumstances our attempts to know what ‘the people’ really think are in vain and why, under these circumstances, this question is so irrelevant for the person who is thinking and acting responsibly. The word of the Bible that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom declares that the internal liberation of human beings to live the responsible life before God is the only genuine way to overcome stupidity.

    ‘But these thoughts about stupidity also offer consolation in that they utterly forbid us to consider the majority of people to be stupid in every circumstance. It really will depend on whether those in power expect more from people’s stupidity than from their inner independence and wisdom.’

    -Dietrich Bonhoeffer, from ‘After Ten Years’ in Letters and Papers from Prison (Dietrich Bonhoeffer Works/English, vol. 8) Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2010.

    Note to self: Bonhoeffer took a courageous stand and was hanged by Hitler in 1945 two years after this letter. Our day may come (if current trends are not stopped and reversed) when those allegedly in the grip of mass formation come for us to imprison and/or execute us. I have plans for that day. Do you?

    “He who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 12:51pm

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    Increasing your inner power

    I'm trying to increase my inner power / equanimity as one response to the coming circumstances. I can recommend the many free youtube videos of Eckhardt Tolle. He combines great wisdom and insight with the occasional chortle, which really helps relieve the mental tension.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 12:58pm

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    J said:

    people say I'm a conspiracy nut..But why then when it comes true they wont talk about it .. or some doctor other agrees...they say..well how do you know that doctor isn't a liar. by now why do we even call it a conspiracy..how many times must you be right for you not to be a nut.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 12:59pm

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    Coordinated Attacks

    richcabot wrote:

    I don't doubt that the basic premise of climate change is true.  I also agree that the effects of varying solar output are being ignored.  I'm sure that the powers that shouldn't be are using the problem for their own gain.  Carbon offsets will be traded with Wall Street skimming big percentages.  Businesses and individuals will be controlled to the benefit of big business under the guise of mitigating climate change.  The hollowing out of small business during the plandemic is a precursor of what to expect.

    The thing I've never seen included in climate change models is peak oil.  Models show disaster in 2100 or even earlier but these assume continued growth in fossil fuel consumption.  The reality is we can't continue our current level of consumption.   It just isn't there.

    Rich,

    Your first sentence, "I don't doubt that the basic premise of climate change is true" is a bit nebulous. Could you expound on that, please? In your opinion, is the driver of climate change carbon dioxide concentrations, solar influence, a combination, or what? Are humans responsible for causing this and can we possibly avoid the consequences? Or, as I believe, is climate change just a consequence of natural processes?

    Although I don't think the climate-change models that blame atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations for global warming are correct, I noticed the same Peak Oil issue as you did. The models predict a linear or exponentially-increasing carbon dioxide load entering the atmosphere for the next century at least. The reality is that fossil fuels are a finite resource. Those fuels will only be extracted as long as it is economically viable to do so. In any case, once all have been consumed, what is going to drive CO2 levels higher? It shows that their model is seriously flawed. Yet, the true-believers (an intended pejorative) don't understand or question the ScienceTM that is being fed to them.

    Once a criminal finds a successful way to ply their trade, they stick with it. It is the modus operandi or M.O. The oligarchy found that fear is a powerful motivator. They use it all the time. You may be old enough to remember when the Soviet Union was repeatedly played up as THE RED MENACE. When the Soviet Union failed, we saw a weakened, hollowed out society. Due to the incessant urgings of the military-industrial-complex, we built enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over. To keep up with us, the USSR did the same thing. Did the story the oligarchs promoted comport with reality? Hardly.

    Then, there is this outsized fear over the coronavirus. Government and media fan the flames and insist that a non-sterilizing vaxxine is the only way to defeat the virus. (Really???) Most governments around the world have various tactics to impose draconian sanctions on the unvaxxinated of their populace. Have they ever reported positive stories about HCQ, IVM, or keeping the personal terrain in fighting shape with vitamins and minerals? They begrudgingly admit that vaxxines need boosters to fight the current variant. Will 1 booster solve the problem, or is it the first installment on a long roller coaster ride? (I think we know the answer to that.)

    They modified their standard M.O. slightly with climate change and Covid. They still ramp up the fear-factor stick, but now they add a carrot to reward the complicit. If you get the jab, you're being patriotic and saving your family and fellow citizens. If you still believe in the standard CO2 climate-change model, you are much smarter than the [knuckle-dragging] deniers. Isn't that the gist of the continually repeated message?

    Once you delve into it deep enough, does the messaging fit with the reality? If not, there is something else going on. Since the "something else" isn't being announced, it must be quite sinister. Hmmm.

    Grover

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 1:55pm

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    @thc0655 - A 5-minute Video about the Bonhoeffer theory you cite

    Bonhoeffer’s Theory of Stupidity

    I see the main point as ignorance enables malice by failing to recognize it for what it is.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 2:35pm

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    RO Welcome to Peak

    First post and 5 likes.  Yikes!

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 3:00pm

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    Parallel structures blackpill

    There is no way a totalitarian society with even greater control mechanisms than the Soviets had is going tolerate what many of you think you are going to be able to do. I was alive back then and saw it from the US, and talked to some lucky enough to escape. Homeschooling will be banned and punishable by prison. Trading chicken eggs for potatoes will be considered black marketeering and you'll likely be reported by neighbors and face prison time. Food grown in your own gardens will be considered property of the State and attempting to trade that food will be considered theft against the State. There was a black market but it was operated underground and on a much smaller scale then most of today's Americans accustom to comfort and full bellies can imagine. Get to know people but understand a lot of the help you'll get will be in times of dire need and given out of charity versus barter.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 3:04pm

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    The new down under




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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 3:11pm

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    I Have a Question

    I’ve been thinking through the content of this talk and a question has arisen for me. If perhaps as he says 30% are the true believers and another perhaps 50-60% are more of the go along to get along sort, is there any way to sort them out? I’d think (but I don’t know) that perhaps it would be easier to make a dent in the belief system of one who isn’t a true believer; is this so? Because if we could figure out who is who we might make better/faster progress in turning this around. And as world leaders are found in both groups this would equally apply to them as well?

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 3:42pm

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    We agree

    Hi Grover,

    I agree with what your wrote.  When I say the basic premise of climate change is true I mean that burning fossil fuels causes an increase in carbon dioxide and that will increase the temperature of earth.  That's not the only factor affecting earths temperature and it may, or may not, be the dominant factor.  There are lots of other factors that are certainly significant.

    An important mitigating factor on fossil fuels impact on the climate is that they are severely limited.  None of the models (to my knowledge) take that into account.  They assume a steady increase in fossil fuel use.  That clearly can't be true.

    I see a lot of parallels between climate change and the COVID plandemic.  They are both being used to force through draconian changes to society that otherwise would not be possible.  Those changes always benefit the powers that shouldn't be, and lead us steadily towards a police state.  COVID-19 is a serious disease, but no worse than we have dealt with successfully before (like the flu of 1957) without the hysteria we are currently seeing.

    Human generated carbon dioxide is a potentially serious thing, but we could reduce it with lots of changes that would have positive impacts on other, potentially more serious, societal issues.   Getting rid of factory farms and moving to local food production, including regenerative farming, would drastically reduce the transportation requirements of food and lessen the CO2 output from trucks.  Small, local, regenerative farms would also reduce pesticide problems and the pollution from large poultry and beef production.  Reversing globalization would similarly cut CO2 from international shipping.  High speed rail has been talked about for decades but the federal government has never seriously addressed it.  The latest infrastructure bill puts lots of money into highways and bridges when it should be going to better rail.

    Ultimately we have to reverse population growth but you won't hear that as part of the climate change agenda.  The same people pushing climate change legislation are pushing for unlimited immigration.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 3:45pm

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    Australia, from prison camp to prison camp in 150 years

    Somebody posted a pic of that meme on one of the PP threads.  I don't recall where.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 3:53pm

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    emdashtheory said:

    Still waiting for the deadly Trump variant to come along

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 4:02pm

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 4:11pm

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    Thanks….VT

    Great explanation of why the great reset cannot work …..I feel honored to be a custodian over a small part of God’s creation. And am constantly humbled by the miracle of life.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 4:12pm

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    Thank you Mark

    Sobriety and reality reveals a population too well prepared for understanding, to deal with the harsh truth. Nothing impedes learning so well as knowing.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 4:50pm

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    Metamodel + other practical techniques for working with Trance

    Hypnosis and indirect communication are topics near and dear to me.   My thought is, if you are trying to work with someone in a trance or a highly polarized view (and we are all in trance, pretty much all the time, of one sort or another) there are two general approaches:

    (1) Meet them at the trance level: e.g., using hypnotic language patterns, embedded suggestions/commands, confusion, metaphors and "stories", evocative images, etc. to pace and lead them to more useful beliefs and guiding myths.

    or

    (2) Help them wake up from trance/enchantment, by asking them questions requiring them to explore the deletions, distortions, and generalizations, implicit in their language patterns.  Socratic method would be useful.   The NLP meta-model (effectively the inverse of hypnotic language patterns) is useful for coaching in general and getting people to recognize and relax the restrictions in their linguistic and conscious representation of reality (recognizing that subjective reality is a representation, only, and not objective reality; that every memory access is accompanied by a memory rewrite; that the majority of communication, even with ourselves, is incomplete or based upon unconscious complex equivalents with a tremendous amount of assumptions, smoke and mirrors, occurring out of consciousness)

    What I think needs to be avoided, in most cases, is a direct, "conscious" discussion.  When people are stuck in a non-helpful subjective reality or behavior pattern, addressing it DIRECTLY (by appeals to "facts") very seldom works and will, more often than not, make the psychic-rigidity/polarization even worse.

    I strongly suggest that if you are going to use "facts" to influence someone you (1) come up with a concise, non-polarizing "patter", script it in advance, and stick to it.  You should expect some challenges (perhaps accusations that you are a "Trump" supporter or "anti-vax") and try to have polished responses that don't provoke the other person, but perhaps challenge them to, just a little, to engage their logical facilities and explore the facts a little more deeply.  Pay attention to body language, and your own body signals; try to come from a place of authentic goodwill toward the person you are communicating with.

    I think this is what we should be discussing and sharing:  how to help people wake up or techniques to use the trance people are already in constructively to an enlarged world view and greater capabilities.

    I think it deserves consideration, that lack of "social connection" and lack of "meaning" (purpose) are probably co-factors where the "loneliness" factor is probably prevalent and idiosyncratic.  I am guessing that a strong enough purpose will go a long way towards inoculating people against being drawn into a "cult" / mass-formation.

    This is a fascinating topic.  I've been a participant in some large (100-200 person) group trances, and even some unconscious hypnotic inductions. But the scale and audacious use of things like media / propaganda, unconscious symbolism, etc. really took me by surprise, I must say.

    My thanks to Doctors Desmet and Martinson for this excellent discussion and enlarging my world view!   It will be interesting to see how this helps change and improve my own behavior.   None of us has a lock on reality.  All of us are mostly operating on an unconscious level, with most of our patterns out of awareness.  If we work on ourselves, and our communication skills, while recognizing that the response we get is substantially feedback on the style of our communication, body language, etc. I'm sure we can make a positive difference.   This is an exciting, and consequential time to be alive!

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 5:22pm

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    Recommended reading:

    Wendell Berry’s Life Is a Miracle

    — antidote to the anti-human agenda of those who wish to enslave us

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 5:23pm

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    Is this true about 5G?

    I am a sceptic to 5G and COVID being connected in any way, shape of form. However I saw this crossing the wire and I’m totally inadequate to judge it.

    If 5G has influence on our immune system, it might also help get us in a certain mental state or is it? Is this legit ? What does it mean?

    https://www.jctres.com/media/downloads/jctres07202105007/%5B5%5D%20JCTR_v7i5_007_20211025_V3.pdf

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 5:42pm

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    I reject any theory that denies free will and let's genocidal maniacs and there minions off the hook as being hypnotized (Desmet himself admits that people under hypnosis can't typically be turned into murderers if they weren't already capable of it).   Sure, the masses can be manipulated, using modern psychological warfare to effect a "banality of evil" as Arendt described.

    Thanks... I haven't heard of this banality of evil. It seems to me what Arendt is getting at is that we all have the capability inside of us to create evil. Given the right circumstances, anyone can commit atrocities — just like the Nazi's. I think that's a very terrifying thought.

    How does mass formation fit into human evolution?

    I've been wondering lately what exactly is it that causes someone to be against the narrative and others to be for it. The personality? Circumstances? Maybe that's just the way it has to be. If everyone is against the narrative, the world quickly turns to shit. If everyone is for it, the world stagnates and cant adapt to change. Maybe it's a way for society to do a slow and controlled  burn of a dying system. Like a forest fire that clears the deadwood and makes room for new life to emerge.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 5:50pm

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    5G just means the Fifth Generation of Wifi.

    Yes, some of this higher frequency technology can be weaponized

    and targeted to induce feelings of panic or anxiety or fear,

    using the side bands.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 6:19pm

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    @Terminator I have a book on 5G sitting on my coffee table to read (once I finish RFK's book) that is written by Dr. Mercola called EMF*D. I watched a video that he did on the basics and it turns out that 5th Generation WiFi is VERY different than the previous versions. It runs at a different frequency that just happens to be in the range of the frequencies that the parts of the human body resonate in. Therefore, it is said that exposure to 5G can actually be used to alter your health. Like I said, I haven't read the book yet, but I have heard it is supposed to be excellent because Dr. Mercola and his team are one of the few physicians who has actually reviewed and studied it. I think it is worth educating yourself on it. There was a group at Polyface Farm the last time I visited there giving talks about 5G and how it works. There are ways to neutralize some of the effects of 5G, but you have to realize that you need it to begin with. It is probably another area we might all want to give a little thought to. There have to be more towers that are closer together for 5G wifi to work. It is amazingly fast (which we all love), but it also puts out a lot more electromagnetic frequencies because of this and there are already studies about the harms that can be done to humans by EMF. There is a lot to dig into to really understand all of it. The talk I heard at Polyface went for an hour and the woman who gave it said she had only scratched the surface.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 6:31pm

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    000 said:

    What is real 5G?

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 6:48pm

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    WEF

    Hi Rich,

    I wish I could say that we agree. The carbon dioxide issue is a real bone of contention with me. Why? That's what TPTB are using to control us. They continually fund studies that promulgate that carbon dioxide is the boogey man. Is it totally innocuous? NO! However, it isn't the main driver of our recent warming.

    The IPCC assesses the validity of model predictions about twice a decade. I was astounded when in 2014 the 5th assessment report (AR5) came out and changed the data set to allow solar influences beyond total solar irradiance as well as other galactic influences like cosmic rays. I've read a handful of papers that followed the new data set. Not only did the authors all assign the majority of causality to solar influences, like Dr. Zharkova, they were able to more accurately predict past climate changes. Models based on atmospheric carbon dioxide cannot make that claim.

    Even though there were studies and papers that produced superior models, when the IPCC met for AR6, they produced a similar report as in the past with models predicting steadily increasing to exponentially increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide driving earth's temperatures considerably higher for at least the next century - no consideration for Peak Oil limits. Political pressures caused the IPCC leadership to cave in. I haven't checked to see if the current data set allows the AR5 changes or not. It really doesn't matter since it will get ignored anyway. That's why I haven't bothered.

    If you look at the membership of Klaus Schwab's "World Economic Forum" (WEF), you'll see many of the political leaders in Europe along with Bill Gates and George Soros and other folks who are members of the <0.01% club. These are very successful people who have amassed great fortunes. The WEF publicized the slogan, "Build Back Better" back in January, 2019. The plagiarist in Chief adopted this slogan as his own. (Let's Go Brandon!) So did Canada's Trudeau (Let's Go Brandeau!) and Britain's Boris Johnson (Let's Go Borjohn!) I'm sure that's just a coincidence. /sarc

    The WEF has the coordination and political clout to force substandard science (known as ScienceTM) on the rest of us. That's what's happening with the climate change issue. They are pushing substandard science that fits their agenda. It isn't just in climate change. Why is it that ONLY the vaxxine can be considered a treatment for Covid? What happens if you get on any of the main social media sites to say that the vaxxine is dangerous? You'll get blacklisted or removed. They're not interested in promoting any truth that goes against the agenda.

    So, what's the WEF agenda? Here's a link to one of their websites. This link shows you 8 of their main planks that should happen by 2030.  https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030/

    If you haven't heard about this, it would behoove you to look at it. I liken it to a Corporate Vision Statement. This is where they want to go. This webpage was produced in 2016 and some of the interim steps haven't occurred. Their first point is particularly offensive. They are describing a one-world-government based on communism. (Has there been any State-based communist government that has been a utopia for the working class?)

    Of all the members, we are probably most familiar with Bill Gates. When Bill was at Microsoft, he was a ruthless monopolist. He either crushed or bought out competition as best he could. He was forced to step down from Microsoft and then devoted his time and money to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF.) It's easy to think he is a philanthropist until you consider his actions. One thing that happened by moving most of his money to the BMGF is that it was exempt from taxes. He still gets to play with it and support the causes he wants while investing the rest to grow for the future. As an example, he invested a considerable amount in BioNtech in September, 2019. (Talk about lucky timing.) In October, he hosted Event 201 - which was to evaluated the world's governments' abilities to respond to a coronavirus pandemic. (Talk about lucky timing.)

    We need to go back a while to see that the BMGF funded  some of Fauci's NIH  https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/new-phase-cooperation-between-nih-bill-melinda-gates-foundation Do you think Bill gave Fauci the money with zero strings attached? Even just suggesting that future funding may not be available would cause someone like Fauci to bend a wee bit. After all, multiple sources of funding is better than being dependent on congressional whims. Is Fauci bought and paid for by Bill? His actions certainly suggest that he is.

    So, did Bill change his stripes from being a ruthless monopolist to that of a caring philanthropist who wants to save humanity? He pushes vaxxination as the only solution to the coronavirus. (Doesn't Fauci do this too???) Too bad the vaxxine doesn't work as well as a vaccine. Pfizer/BioNtech (a company BMGF is invested in) gets paid for every dose government buys. Then, he suggests that the rich governments donate these vaxxines to poor countries. His actions on this front suggest his stripes didn't change.

    Does the mainstream media and giant social media websites question Bill Gates motives? Do they allow anyone else to question his motives? Would they respond the same way if it were Donald Trump doing what Bill Gates is doing? (We both know the answer to that.)

    So, to wrap up this rambling post, how do you know who to trust? The real science we used to marvel at has become ScienceTM that feeds an agenda. The WEF has tentacles throughout the "Free" world. They are working toward a One World Government that is Communist with their leadership in control. They are using whatever means they have available to destroy the economy so they can build back a world that fits their needs. (If that isn't a monopolist's wet dream, I don't know what is.) They are promoting the idea that carbon dioxide is causing the recent warming. They want to restrict all of us from using fossil fuels so they can continue to fly their private planes hither and yon.

    With robotics and artificial intelligence growing exponentially, do they really need to feed all the useless eaters of the world? Could that be the sole intent of the vaxxines? Can you think of a more elegant way to reduce population and still have plausible deniability when bad outcomes from the vaxxines occur? After all, there are no long term studies to provide guidance. Think about it.

    Grover

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 6:51pm

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    Guilt tripping Abrahamists.

    It's what they Do. It's their modus operandi.

    seems to me what Arendt is getting at is that we all have the capability inside of us to create evil.

    Typical blame the victim tactic. "Now see what you made me do!"

    The second world war was a Banksters war, same as all wars. Hitler deposed the banksters of their right to print money. Which resulted in Germany's "astonishing" economic recovery.

    The Banksters paid their shills, the prestitutes, to stir up anti-German hysteria. Heaven forbid!

    Nope. I may be capable of evil, but I choose not to go there. Some day I might choose to change my mind.

    The great crime of the Germans was Slavery. They, (here's looking at you, Himmler), had read the Oera Linda. They knew that slavery was and is our greatest anathema.

    Freya said that if we take slaves, we would become slaves.

    And ain't that the truth?

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 7:14pm

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    They have no idea

    of what lies in store for us. The climate scientists dare not go where they must. It is repeatedly scoured into our memory; cycle after cycle.

    set to allow solar influences beyond total solar irradiance as well as other galactic influences

    Every 13500 years civilization, the planet and the sun run slap-dab into a reversal of the polarity of the Birkland current that feeds the sun. Resulting in a micro-nova, at best.

    The magnetic field that comes with the auroras reverses, and all hell breaks loose.

    The stars ahead of us on the galactic carousel have already gone micro-nova. We're next; hold onto your hat.

    I bring no glad tidings.

    Ref: Suspicious observers and the Thunderbolts project on YouTube.

    PS. Mainstream science has become political. Who woulda thunk? Gotta keep the cashflow up!

    In fact, a good case could be made that there exists an inverse correlation between cashflow and the Quality of the science. There must, therefore, be a sweet spot that yields the best bang for the buck.

     

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 7:23pm

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    The fault lies not with the mob

    "The fault lies not with the mob, who demands nonsense, but with those who do not know how to produce anything else."

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 7:28pm

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    Hence, the Banksters were actually the only true Victor's of WW2.

    The "banality" of the constant "war propaganda" all ever since then has been the only "real evil".

    Until and unless the West finally learns that everything that has happened since the end of that tragic brothers war,

    is all "exactly why" we all are really where we are right now,

    so there is all no hope for any real recovery from that "suicide",

    that was really all planned many years before by these same Banksters.

    "Whom the Gods would destroy, they first do make insane!"

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 7:53pm

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    Sharon Coe said:

    There is a science called bio geometry that can definitely mediate the 5 g effects.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 7:54pm

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    Pictures are worth a 1000 words

    I'm a little late to the comment section, however, there is a smoking gun video that could be the "bomb" that dissolves this mass formation.  The video demonstrates taking little prick blood samples from 8 different fingers, 4 vaxxed and 4 unvaxxed, then putting the drop of blood between two slides, onto a dark background 40X microscope and POW!

    It's a sucker punch; the difference in the blood samples perfectly explains why athletes are suddenly collapsing, and we can expect to see a lot more deaths in short order.  The vaxxed blood samples look like jelly.

    We need billboards with side by side color photos of vaxxed v. unvaxxed blood with free centers set up around the country for people to come in and test their blood.

    Need corroborated samples, photos, expert, special microscope, affidavits, and meetings with every local leader possible.

    Bring the scope and do a live demo when meeting with the local leader.  Plan it out, bring influential people, and MAKE them see.

    Here's the video.  The translation is terrible and at times non-sensical, about 50% of the translation is understandable, but all you need are your eyes.  The blood sample demo starts at just under 11 minutes.




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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 8:21pm

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    Double thumbs up on SuspiciousObservers

    Great description:  Extreme science.  Sometimes I think the magnetic excursion is the real agenda behind all this nonsense.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 8:34pm

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    An appeal.

    That's a powerful video, Hladini. And it would be more powerful with a bit of editing.

    My appeal is for a pathologist to collaborate with a graphics artist and an advertising specialist to produce a colour, side by side slide, simply labeled "Vaccinated blood" and "Unvaccinated blood."

    (Perhaps we could have the donars be pretty girls, whose images are included, to make it Real)

    Visuals cut through the crap. We typically have about 5 seconds of attention time.

     

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 8:39pm

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    Your future, you bigots.

    How dare you!

    (Is "Bigot" still a thing? "Conspiracy Theorists" is just too clumsy.)

    https://redice.tv/red-ice-tv/lockdowns-are-back-saying-no-to-covid-vaxx-is-now-murder-media-going-insane

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 8:44pm

    Hladini

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    Disagree on Fauci

    I don't think Fauci thinks this is good for the public.   There is an insider who claims that Fauci never wore a mask at work (his emails confirm this), he told the lab techs to tell their families to get the vax, but not to take it yet for themselves.  When questioned he got angry and red in the face.  Stated he did not take the vax because he is too important.

    What he did to the foster kids should have landed him in prison with a life sentence.  Some of those children were forced against their will, fought back and ended up with feeding tubes.

    What he did to the puppies is another example of how far he will take 'atrocious.'

    I want to see this man convicted of domestic terrorism and genocide, and then a proper hanging.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 8:46pm

    Hladini

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    The blood does not lie

    And they want to vax the kids.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 9:07pm

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    I still agree

    Grover,

    Everything you wrote is true.  I don't doubt the climate change push is about control.  It's an excuse to get control over the commons and reduce the number of useless eaters so the elites can continue eating as much as they want.

    I still believe that the underlying mechanism of greenhouse gasses warming the earth is true.  However, I don't think the effect is of the magnitude the powers that shouldn't be claim it is.  Their models are questionable and they don't fund anyone who wants to test their validity.  You only get funding if you are on board with the climate change panic, not if you want to determine if the panic is at all justified.

    I agree that the timing of the climate change propaganda is suspicious, coming at exactly the time when peak oil says we are on the downside of the peak.  Climate change measures are an effort by the elites to insure that there will be fossil fuels for them to enjoy while we are sacrificing to "save the planet".

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 9:09pm

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    The Nazis didn't lose the war

    They just changed countries.

    American bankers and industrialists admired the Nazis, and before WW II they were quite open about it.  It became impolite to express those views during and after the war but there's no indication that they really changed their views.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 9:23pm

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    The Blood Images seem too Obvious

    How can something this obvious have not been reported on before? The differences between the alleged vaxxed and non-vaxxed blood samples are grotesque.

    Surely, millions of blood samples must have been examined under a microscope in the past year. Something this obvious would surely have been noticed and reported on.

    I smell a rat.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 9:54pm

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    Less Past, More Future

    Although it's important to understand the past in order to know where the future is going, I'd love to hear more about the future explicitly.  How do Mass Events normally end? How many ended without atrocity? What kinds of atrocities?  Are most Fourth Turnings actually Mass Events?  By understanding this we can more clearly know what to expect in the future.

    BTW, I'll just mention how much I hate the "pro vax" and "anti vax" labels.  That's like saying "pro painkiller" or "anti painkiller".  Just because you have one bottle of chemicals and it has a label "vaccine" does not mean it shares ANY properties with a second bottle of totally different chemicals that is also labelled "vaccine".  It's the CONTENTS OF THE BOTTLE, not the label, that actually confers it's properties. The fact that it's labelled vaccine is simply the human aspiration for that concoction of chemicals ("we hope it helps prevent disease") but the ACTUAL properties in reality are due the the CONTENTS of the bottle.  I'm so tired of people talking about "vaccines" (pro or anti) as if they are all the same thing.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 11:14pm

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    Bob Johnson said:

    All my life I've said that the Germans lost the war, not the Nazis, they just changed names and countries.

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 11:30pm

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    000 said:

    Please explain where the Arctic ice has gone and what happens when it is gone? No modeling required only surf boards. You do know what methane is yes?

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 11:40pm

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    Grover and Rich: here's why this debate is so important to have right now: If CO2 is NOT a significant factor, then AGW is just another long con, and the appropriate response should be eye rolls 🙄 and shrugs 🤷.  They're all, "But it's an emergency!" To which I say, "good luck with that."

    TPTB want to frame us. The real perp is the 🌞. See? Temps are falling already!

     

    Anyway, I know where I'm gonna deliver my carbon footprint! They want to link my vax status to my carbon credits? Better yet, they can microchip my🖕. That's why I'm buying precious metals - to get out of their corrupt system, before they burn it all down.

    If AGW is all a big elaborate lie, then why do we need Teslas? Or Elon? We should still mine Lithium and Cobalt, at a leisurely pace, to make Priuses.

    I WAS a true believer of the climate change narrative, for the past 20+ years, because I WAS a Dem. (It's like, if you grow up in NJ, you HAVE to like Springsteen.) But then I watched this video, posted last week by PP member Audrey Doepker (h/t),

    https://youtu.be/urTokZWL61U,

    which led me to

    https://youtu.be/QxGBoTLzrOk and 





    My mind was finally open to hearing a different point of view, because I'm SO TIRED of all the covid lies, fear, and manipulation.

    Problem: Grand Solar Minimum means less crop production. How long till food shortages lead to riots? And how will TPTB control the masses, if people don't obey the climate lockdowns?

     

     

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  • Sat, Dec 04, 2021 - 11:48pm

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    nordicjack said:

    No matter how little - or not so little , the earth's temperature has never been stable.  Maybe if we had data for a couple million years , oh wait we do have some of that data.  I am not saying that people have zero effect, but it is not a do or die crisis and its nothing we need to be punished for.  Its just excuse to enslave , empower the rich, and control resources, nothing more.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 1:25am

    Grover

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    The Problem With Linear Thinking

    000 wrote:

    Please explain where the Arctic ice has gone and what happens when it is gone? No modeling required only surf boards. You do know what methane is yes?

    000,

    Here are a couple of graphs of Arctic Ice Extent and Area over the last dozen years. I got this from https://electroverse.net/. Looks to me like there really isn't any linear trend showing any need for undo worry. Ice diminishes due to 24 hour/day sunlight during the summer and then it comes back during the cold dark of winter. It is cyclical. (Didn't CNN tell you that?) Then again, I probably don't see things the same way you do.

    If you take your surf board up there, wear only a Speedo and a pair of Fauci flip-flops to prove you're convinced that global warming is real. Have someone else video the entire time you're in the water so you can prove to us that you indeed know what methane is capable of doing. See the color associated with 2010. That's the approximate color of your skin in less than a minute in that water. Have you heard about shrinkage?

    Grover

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 1:28am

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    Original purpose of masss formation

    Let's try this theory: Imagine people living in simpler small-scale societies.  Group cohesion was important for survival.  People were also living in the environment for which they evolved, not the modern urban environment VTGothic describes.  Social isolation, lack of meaning, free-floating anxiety and non-specific agression were much rarer and when they did develop, they indicated something was very wrong and was threatening group survival.  Group cohesion and meaning were still present to some degree even then.  I propose that the solutions offered and ultimately adopted by the community where much more likely to actually address the problem that was the source of their anxiety.  The mass formation united them in addressing the problem.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 1:34am

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    In Substantial Agreement

    richcabot wrote:

    I still believe that the underlying mechanism of greenhouse gasses warming the earth is true.  However, I don't think the effect is of the magnitude the powers that shouldn't be claim it is.  Their models are questionable and they don't fund anyone who wants to test their validity.  You only get funding if you are on board with the climate change panic, not if you want to determine if the panic is at all justified.

    Thanks for the explanation. I agree that carbon dioxide has some influence on atmospheric temperatures. You also described the mechanism behind ScienceTM succinctly.

    The real problem is that fossil fuels are so energy-rich that every drop that is economical to extract will be extracted and consumed. The real question is "who will consume the fossil fuels if the Great Reset is allowed to occur?" They're only pushing the climate change issue to get us plebs to stop using as much. Monopolists don't care how much they have as how much you have. That's their driving motive.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 1:46am

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    Great post

    Awesome description of just what is wrong with modern urban life.

    I want to add a few points:

    1. Our current biological equipment evolved to live not in an urban environment, but a wild one.
    2. Once we are disconnected, we lose track of our purpose, feel separate and isolated and therefore believe this body and life is all we have.  From this comes fear of death and the attempt to insulate ourselves from it.  As societies complexify and inequality develops, those with more resources acquire knowledge about how to exploit our vulnerabilities to sell us shit we don't need.  This, of course, brings us further off balance.  The perpetrators are just as vulnerable to this as those they exploit.  We get sidetracked in to trying to meet our need for community, meaning and purpose with stuff.
    3. As our society devolve, our basic needs of connection, healthy food, and an environment that is clean and to which we are biologically tuned are met less and less.  This leads to trauma.  Trauma gets further cemented as parents become so dysfunctional that they abuse their kids in multiple ways.  Of course, unresolved trauma just reinforces itself as well as the cycle of commodification of everything described in 2).
    4. Things continue to devolve until they break.  At this point, a new story and a basic body of knowledge learned from direct experience about how to live in a better way becomes important to make sure we settle on something more functional next time

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 2:39am

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    How to live a better way.

    We’ve got to get back to the garden....

    Wholesome meaninful purpose, hard to come by in our modern world. Simple living for those hardy few that make it through. Sink in the dirt my brethren and come clean.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 5:17am

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    Andy in the Sun said:

    @ DR & Grover,

    the matter of climate change pops up routinely here, so I like to refer back to a thread from July - World Getting Colder?

    There I mentioned the studies of Svensmark which are base of the documentary The Cloud Mystery  ->

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ

    and even better, for the ones that have a sense for mathematics the works of the brilliant Ukrainian professor Dr. Zharkova ->

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_yqIj38UmY

    Additionally to the magnetic behavior model around 50:00 min she describes the SIM effect (higher oscillations of earth’s orbit) – that lead, despite cooling, to a higher number of weather extremes (also heat waves & droughts while the earth is getting colder).

    Watch this two videos, they are an even more solid & scientific presentation of that what's in process as the one of John Casey. They are for my opinion much more science based and do not have that type of political twist American speakers always weaving into their presentations (which I dislike).

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 5:38am

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    I'd be a Democrat too

    if such a thing existed.

    because I WAS a Dem.

    It's not what on the label that counts; it's what's in the bottle.

    Then again, I'm rather attracted to Distributism, where the workers and Only the workers have shares in the enterprise.

    And then again, I also fancy Guilds. (Not your wishy-washy Unions. Guilds- with teeth.) Guilds that can negotiate with other guilds.

    But I always return Home, to Freya. For I am a Freyan. All men must be out of their parents house and married by 24 years old.

    And it is the Tribes responsibility to provide the newly-wed with a house, for free; because the couple are going to produce children, an asset for the Tribe. Therefore the Tribe has a responsibility towards the Family.

    They are not left out as prey for the Banksters.

    It's all in our Oera Linda.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 6:26am

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    Thanks Hladini

    The bloodcell comparison is almost to "good" to be true. Is this verified anywhere more clinical ? I mean the video is a bit shady to say the least, not something I would disqualify it for but certainly something that needs more examination by the broader medical community. I would support a crowdfunding for an established doctor to review/proof this!

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 7:55am

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    Obviously, only the Banksters won that war.

    And they used all of the stolen high-technology developed by the Germans that they gained from "Operation Paperclip" to stay in complete control all ever since.

    The Banksters and Industrialists all hated Hitler because he freed Germany from their grasp and their control of the whole nation and so they both conspired to completely destroy him and exact a revenge for his defying them!

    Demonization of the victims has all continued by them ever since "they" alone really won that war.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 8:01am

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    Don't use their false labeling and false definitions!

    Call it the jab, not a "vaccine", because it doesn't prevent any disease but only increases them!

    Don't support their false "narratives" and their vile, evil "agenda" of murderous depopulation.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 9:15am

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    Free floating anxiety needed a place to land

    Best interview yet, Chris!

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 9:26am

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    Climate

    https://notrickszone.com/2013/05/17/atmospheric-co2-concentrations-at-400-ppm-are-still-dangerously-low-for-life-on-earth/

    https://www.noaa.gov/news/study-global-plant-growth-surging-alongside-carbon-dioxide
    some evidence showing higher CO2 is better for plants and if we let CO2 get too low we’d have a problem.

    I am all for reducing pollution. Clean air, soil and water are critical. I am just not 100% convinced on people being the main driver of “climate change” when the climate has gone through changes the entire time the planet has been around.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 11:33am

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    "Cute names" or just euphemisms for the "Cabal" of these "Fake Jews"?

    Notice that even Isreal has even been sacrificed by this same "Cabal", yet?

    "911" was a joint Mossad/CIA psychological operation to fund the WOT and protect Israel.

    That was a different subset of fanatics or Neo-cons than the "Cabal",

    of which has no problem sacrificing their own to obtain total Dominion.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 11:42am

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    Dangerous territory

    LBL, I've seen you wade into these waters often enough that I honestly wonder if you are revealing your full hand here.

    I assert that whatever Hitler might have done to unite Germany, he personally inspired and oversaw a totalitarian regime that enslaved and starved tens of millions of people because of some label that stuck to them, resulting in the death of 11 million of them, partly due to starvation and heavy labor, but mostly due to industrialized mass murder.  6 million of them were Jews.

    I've seen you bring up the Blood Passover story (Jews in the middle ages sacrificing young christian boys so they could use their blood in an alleged twisted Passover ritual) on PP before as well as make one other reference that I don't clearly remember to what my best guess would be an attempt to align yourself with a general hate of Jews.

    Segueing from a post painting Hitler as targeted by the banking class into a post on the Militant Sect of Judaism in the context of your past posts has me wondering if there is more to this story.  If I am correct in my suspicion that you have ill will to all Jews, then you are subtly promoting a story that has in the past resulted in just the kind of totalitarian facilitated mass atrocities that we are trying to avoid.  If not, please be direct and allay my suspicions.

    I don't contest the fact that there are many ways in which powerful Jews are damaging the world or that the Israeli government, in it's attempt to avoid another holocaust, re-enacted it's trauma on others, leading among other things to a slow rolling holocaust in Palestine. But I do hold that critical analysis of the behavior of some Jewish people can be cover for a generalized hate.  Your mention of Blood Passover in particular, something that if it happened at all, happened many hundreds of years ago maybe a couple of times and seems to be of no relevance to our current situation has me wondering.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 11:45am

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    Why is this on PP?

    I come to PP to get factual information that’s in short supply elsewhere. I really respect how Chris takes apart the data. As well, the presentations of the psychology of the pandemic such as mass formation. What I don’t come here for are conspiracy theories such as those related to cabals of Jewish bankers, assertions that Israel/the Mossad were behind 9/11 etc. I really don’t understand why these comments are posted here; to me it really detracts from the credibility of the site.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 12:00pm

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Anitak,

    You wrote:

    I really don’t understand why these comments are posted here; to me it really detracts from the credibility of the site.

    There was a time - not long ago - when I would have agreed with your comment. But increasingly, things are happening in the world which are neither logical nor readily explainable. People are trying to come up with explanations so that they can understand the world around them. I listened to the "mass formation" interview closely since I thought it made some real sense. Some other posts, I have doubts about. But overall, I want to see more comments, more proposed explanations, more fitting of the facts to an explanation of what is happening rather than less.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 12:03pm

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    Why? Because the truth and the facts matter.

    That's why.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 12:15pm

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    Historical truth is always "dangerous territory".

    Why?

    Because it exposes the true hand behind the seen "puppets".

    The true "blood libel" is "The Hoax of the 20th Century" by Butz.

    "The Holocaust Industry" by Finkelstein reveals the true motivations.

    "The 13th Tribe" by Kunstler and DNA analysis shows that "Ashkenazi are not semites" and have no legitimate right to Palestinians or Arabs lands and their dispossession and genocide.

    But, "facts and data" are irrelevant to those in "mass formation" or "psychosis".

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 12:16pm

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    There are plenty of neo-Nazi sites to post this garbage

    Unless comments such as yours are disavowed by the PP admin and others rise up against them I will have to conclude that these sorts of conspiracy theories are welcome here. In that case I obviously am not and will make myself scarce. Hitler, a good example of the power of mass formation was really adept at getting people to believe that everything was the fault of the Jews, Roma and the others he wished to eliminate. Not a big surprise to see people grasping for reasons and who’s responsible during the Covid insanity. But this stuff belongs on dark web sites; sad to see it here.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 12:17pm

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    Robert Malone - Something evil is going on here

    Three short minutes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ePFpM-tqo&ab_channel=Inspired

    I have watched Dr. Malone's mindset shift since his interview with Bret Weinstein and Steve Kirsch. He has overcome what I perceived as reluctance to see the evil - no doubt because he was part of the system that spawned it. To see him now say that global totalitarianism is a bigger threat than the virus is humongous!

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 12:26pm

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    Thanks for your opinion!

    Let others read those provided sources for themselves and ignore your ad hominem attacks.

    "The Program for a New American Century" exposes how the Neo-Cons needed a False Flag like 911 to initiate their program.

    "The Patriot Act" was another nail in the coffin of American freedom and a misnomer.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 12:32pm

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    santa klaus

    Exposed: Klaus Schwab's School For Covid Dictators, Plan for 'Great Reset' (Videos)

     

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 12:32pm

    GBruno1600

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    Global Totalitarianism has always been the real goal: Dominion.

    That has been the goal of this vile "Cabal" for thousands of years.

    Unless we stop them, and their evil plans, we will be exterminated.

    Life, Freedom, and Prosperity vs. just their foot stamping on a human face forever?

    It is a fight for literally everything!

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 1:39pm

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    It is not our place, or that of PP to disavow...

    .... any "perceived" conspiracy theories. On the contrary, I see us, as decent and caring human beings, having a moral obligation to explore and discuss any and all perspectives; to look under every stone and in every crevice to find the truth.

    I started out here at PP thinking in a manner similar to what you are portraying. After years of participating in cogent discussions & debates, I discovered that there are many uncomfortable truths - things that I wish I did not know. But I also know that I am far better off knowing what I know, than not knowing.

    We at PP are truth seekers. We cannot possibly learn and grow without a full, broad spectrum curriculum of exploration. We cannot and should not look away from any subjects that cause discomfort. My lived experience is that it is often within our discomfort that we discover our true selves, warts and all. That understanding is a prerequisite for personal growth.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 1:57pm

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    brushhog said:

    I support free speech and I think everyone should have a right to express his true beliefs. That being said, I personally do not believe in a conspiracy of the Jews. When I look at the names of TPTB, the global "elites" or what ever you want to call them, most of them are anglo-saxon protestant names. Jews are strongly represented but are no where near the majority in those dark circles.

    I also think that those beliefs encourage a prejudice against Jewish people in general which is stupid. Ive known alot of Jews in my life and not one of them was part of any plot against society, and if anything they were as much the victim of globalization as anyone else [ maybe more so being strongly tied to small family businesses ].

    So, again, although I believe everybody has a right to his/her opinion, and I strongly oppose censorship, those ideas are a bit troubling.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 2:21pm

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    Facts do matter

    And the fact is that the people in control come from a wide array of religions.  Fauci, Gates, Bush, Dulles, Rockefeller and numerous others are/were not Jewish.  Yes, some of the evil individuals in the world are/were Jewish.  It is wrong to categorize anyone based on the actions of others in their tribe or, for that mater the actions of their country.  I don't want to be associated with the crimes of the US government, which continue as I write.

    I have many friends and acquaintances who are Jewish, both here and in Israel.  Every one of them is a wonderful person whom I value and respect.

    I have no doubt that there is an evil cabal.  I also have no doubt it knows no national borders nor religious/ethnic boundaries.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 2:25pm

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    Free speech

    I agree completely with what Brushhog said.  I would like to add that a big benefit of free speech is that you get to find out exactly what people think.  If someone is racist or harbors thoughts you find abhorrent they won't be hidden by their inability to express them in public.  You can then make an educated choice about with whom you choose to associate.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 2:26pm

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    Replying to There are plenty of neo-Nazi sites to post this garbage (#150)

    Anitak,

    You wrote:

    Hitler, a good example of the power of mass formation was really adept at getting people to believe that everything was the fault of the Jews, Roma and the others he wished to eliminate. Not a big surprise to see people grasping for reasons and who’s responsible during the Covid insanity. But this stuff belongs on dark web sites; sad to see it here.

    I basically agree with that. But I am loathe to censor people. Right now, the Captive Media (CNN, MSN, The New York Times, etc.) are responsible for huge numbers of deaths in the United States due to the misinformation that they have been spreading about Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, the vaccines and other things.

    But I would not seek to censor them. And that is because they are self destructing.

    Just recently CNN announced plans to fire large parts of their announcers and staff because CNN's ratings are plummeting. I am sure it is the same with other disinformation platforms. Large numbers people are putting two plus two together and realize that these so-called journalists are liars.

    One did not need censorship to accomplish that. It is just happening on its own.

    And imagine what would be happening if social media and YouTube stopped censorship. There would now be a mass movement to "right the ship of state."

    So I am just not big on censorship.

    I do believe that if we stop this madness and we ever get to the bottom of it, that I hope that there are prosecutions of the journalists who knowingly participated in this. Deliberately and knowingly spreading misinformation about effective treatments during a pandemic is murder - plain and simple. Journalists were prosecuted at Nuremburg. It would be appropriate now. The same is true for so-called "health officials."

    And the excuse that "I was just trying to advance my career" is no better than "I was just following orders."

    Finally, I agree with brushhog. I have known people of every race, nationality, color and creed who were good people - and some who were bad people. I don't buy into racism or the persecution of religious believers.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 3:04pm

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    RO said:

    @RichCabot:  Very well said.

     

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 3:11pm

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    RO said:

    Thank you, Steve.  I've been watching Chris's videos for more than a year, so it feels like it's time I contributed something back to the dialogue.  Finding a community where truth is still valued isn't easy these days!

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 3:26pm

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    brushhog said:

    If anything, Id say the one aspect most of the creeps have in common is a complete lack of spirituality or faith of any kind. I have a hard time believing that Mark Zuckerberg is even a human being at all, much less a spiritual one.

    Look at the expressions and gestures of Zuckerberg in this video analysis. This guy is so creepy. The host compares the interview to 'two aliens having a conversation while pretending to be human, but they dont know enough about the culture to pull it off';





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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 3:56pm

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    @Island girl - thank you

    Thank you @Island girl for sharing these insights.

    You are right, my experience within the international community is more than a decade old, and as I consciously assess whether or not my beliefs based on non-recent personal experience could be a source of bias, I realize that you are right it is possible.

    Considering the point from your side:  Possibly the level of coordination could have strengthened over the past 15  years, especially with the proliferation of new online digital tools and strengthening of online communities around certain sets of beliefs and ideologies.

    Also, thank your for sharing your model of how ideologies and self-interests might be interacting.   It makes intuitive sense to me to use a model like this.

    "Our mind is a garden, beliefs are the seeds.  You can grow flowers, or you can grow weeds!"

    The moral:  Everything starts with our beliefs, and communities of elites pursuing favored ideologies is no different!

    Just for fun:  here is an old artifact from economist Pierre Rinefret, published on one of the first blogs on the internet, where he posted about all "isms" being a cause for concern:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060510200755/http://www.parida.com/morality17.html

     

     

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 4:18pm

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    @richcabot - is it a conspiracy?

    @richcabot - yes we are generally talking about the same thing.

    I wouldn't use the term "conspiracy" to describe the part at the top, though.  The people at the top genuinely believe they are doing the right thing according to their various ideologies.

    There must be a term in the English language for people who cooperate together on the basis of a shared beliefs & ideology?   A term that is less sinister than a conspiracy? But, odd, I can't think of such a term at the moment...

    When I think of the term "conspiracy" I think of it as a "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."

    Well... what Fauci's agency and many of these governments are doing with covid is certainly "harmful" as it has caused a "societal psychosis" ... and if there are multiple people from multiple agencies across multiple governments coordinating their actions to do something that is harmful across the West....

    OK, I see how you are using the term "conspiracy".  🙂

    Sorry, I'm just catching up with all of you here!

    Flipping to the perspective of the liberal elites, they probably justify their "conspiracy" thru a "means" vs. "ends" argument.  If they truly believe that by shutting down economies they can contribute to saving humanity from extinction due to climate change, they might consider their effort to be a "righteous cause".

    Are they zealots with an extreme ideology and they've gone way too far?  Or are they rational, they've studied the earth-warming data, and they are doing us all a favor to help ensure our planet survives?

    Hmm.

    I don't have any answers.

    Just asking the questions.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 5:02pm

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    We are all Jews now ....

    ...according to Yury Slezkine;   https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Century-Yuri-Slezkine/dp/0691127603.     I also found Gilad Atzmon's book "Being in Time" to be quite enlightening and confirmatory (although not necessarily supportive) of Slezkine's thesis.    Both authors are Jews.

    I concur with most here:  no censoring of speech/ideas (save threats, direct incitement to violence, etc).  Crappy ideas tend to weed themselves out.

    "Anti-semitism" should mean the same thing that "racism" or "misogyny" have traditionally meant regarding a prejudice against a class of people due to their color/sex/origin/religion etc.  An anti-semite is one who hates Jews, all Jews, simply b/c they are Jews.   I hope that most if not all here would agree that not only are such judgments not justified, they are profoundly ignorant and frankly stupid.

    However, these terms have now been converted from shields of protection into swords to silence any speech that the "hate speech police" don't like.  So anti-semitism has come to mean, any idea or action, that certain Jews don't like.  What organization created the term hate speech?:  the ADL.

    Jewish organization, ideas, actions should be able to be subject to the same scrutiny and critique as any other groups (Catholics, NAACP, Muslims, NOW, etc), but they are not now thanks to organizations like the ADL and the fear of being labeled an anti-semite.

    Criminalizing/demonizing speech is a very bad idea, and I will criticize any org that promotes it, but then may be called an "anti-semite" for criticizing an organization that happens to be run by some Jews, go figure.  Am I criticizing Jews in general?, hardly.  Same goes for criticism of Israel.

    A few years ago, Gov Desantis of FL signed a law prohibiting "anti-semitic speech" in Florida's school system.  I remember many of the comments to the proposed legislation and from Jews in particular, that they thought it would increase "anti-semitism and would be counter-productive in the long run.   Folks like the ADL etc, who claim that any discussion of the "jewish question" will lead to increase in anti-semitism and ultimately another holocaust have it backward imo.  If you prohibit speech,  you will ultimately get violence.

     

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 5:17pm

    GBruno1600

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    Yes, there is both a "Cabal" and it is all mostly a sub-set of the Ashkenazi and "Jewish" ethnicity..

    The same is factually true of the Bolsheviks that murdered the Russian Czar and his family and tens of millions of Russians and Ukrainians and many others in the USSR.

    That there are "others" involved is also true but these are mostly lower levels of the conspiracy and are controlled by the higher.

    Just as there is no doubt that the Mafia in the USA was Italian in ethnicity does not mean that all Italians or Catholics are all involved.

    Facts are not racist, anymore than mathematics are, and false ad hominem attacks reflect more on the inability to reason than anything else.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 5:26pm

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    The Ashkenazi

    The Askenazi were harmless goat-herders in the Steppes, and then they adopted the cult of Abraham.

    See if you can join two dots.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 5:44pm

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    The Humanity of Mark Zukerberg

    Zukerberg, Sugarmountain BTW.

    I had a blast of Dr. David Jackob's work, "Walking Among Us" last night. In a nutshell, the whole book is consumed by the Aliens attempt to blend into our Humanity. Blending in is what they are desperate to do, and they Zuk at it.

    There is one other explanation I can think of. That the entire work was an expression of the Jew Dr. David Jacobs anguish at not being able to blend into the Saxons. However, the huge body of evidence tells me that this conjecture is not viable.

    That creepy feeling you have got? Trust it.

    Aliens are not good or evil. They are not Saxons. Freedom is who we Are. And freedom is what the Aliens are Not. They have a very limited capacity for original initiative.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 6:06pm

    GBruno1600

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    Which is why the term "antisemitism" is an ironic misnomer.

    And is why the real Semites have all been dispossessed by the Ashkenazi "anti-semites!

    History and the true facts are often stranger than fiction!

     

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 6:16pm

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    OK Hitler.

    Hitler was a mouthy corporal with an iron cross for bravery.

    He didn't create the situation in Germany. To think this is just plain lazy, an easy out.

    The Weimar created Hitler. And who created the Weimar? We created the Weimar. The peace of Versailles was all one-sided. No, the Germans didn't surrender at Versailles. It was an Armistice. Armistice? Go look it up.

    Kaiser Wilhelm had been brought up by his father on a diet of the horrors of war. He was the ultimate peacenik. He sacrificed vast real-estate to the Poles, in order to secure peace. (Later reclaimed by Hitler).

    Billy Hughs, the short-arsed premier of Australia was more British Empire than London. He was determined to make Germany pay for the bloodshed that was instigated by London. (Ha! and you thought the war just happened, because Archduke Ferdinand was shot by a "rogue" Serb? I have a very fast bicycle to sell you).

    All this was acknowledged at the end of the war, and hence the Marshal plan.

    Does any of this argue against the Mas Psychosis phenomenon? Not at all. We, (The British Empire) set the conditions for it to happen.

    Back to our regular program.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 6:21pm

    GBruno1600

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    No, actually, we are all Palestinians now....

    How?

    We are being dispossessed, censored, slandered, discriminated against, and genocided all on our own Western lands and nations by the exact same "Cabal".

    "All Animals are equal, but, some are more equal than are others!"-George Orwell, in his "Animal Farm".

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 6:32pm

    GBruno1600

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    No, not the British Empire.

    The actual framers of the Versailles Treaty were the same "Cabal" members that insured a Second World War by creating all of the unfair and unjust peace terms.

    It was quite deliberate and was done with malice all aforethought.

    Who or whom really all benefited from that war?

    Why the Balfour Declaration?

    Why were the Bolsheviks allowed to hijack Russia?

    To and for what ends?

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 6:47pm

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    Great conversation

    I'm especially glad to see the thoughtful way that Quercus probed LBL, and the nuanced way others have chimed in in defense of free speech, as well as the fact that reprehensible cretins inhabit every possible organization, religion, region, & country.

    Just how it is.

    I'm especially keen to avoid placing any limits on criticizing any particular individual because of their association with some irrelevant external descriptor.

    "You can't criticize him, black men get a really bad deal in this country, and doing so will only inflame things more in the future.  Therefore any criticism is racist."

    "He's Bill Cosby."

    gkcjrrt:

    "Anti-semitism" should mean the same thing that "racism" or "misogyny" have traditionally meant regarding a prejudice against a class of people due to their color/sex/origin/religion etc.  An anti-semite is one who hates Jews, all Jews, simply b/c they are Jews.   I hope that most if not all here would agree that not only are such judgments not justified, they are profoundly ignorant and frankly stupid.

    However, these terms have now been converted from shields of protection into swords to silence any speech that the "hate speech police" don't like.  So anti-semitism has come to mean, any idea or action, that certain Jews don't like.  What organization created the term hate speech?:  the ADL.

    I like that framing.  Let's be brave enough to root out the cretins wherever they lie and not afford them any freebies such as "swords of silence" to hide behind.

    Fauci should not be allowed to hide behind "science" and let's not fall for the frankly silly idea that we can extirpate ideas by shaming or shunning them into permanent submission.

    That plan simply fails at understanding human behavior 101.  Might as well ask young men to be celibate as a condition of their vocation and expect that to work out.

    I will only become worried if or when I see someone espouse some version of "this entire group is awful" and that then gets some traction.  What I see are people immediately rejecting that concept and then adding the necessary context and nuance to actually bring the subject into the light of day.

    You know, like actual grown-ups.  In other words, we are modeling exactly how such a conversation should go.  Kudos eveyone!

     

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 7:08pm

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    On the schemes of Men and Aliens, LBL

    One does not preclude the other.

    Consider a Cosmos teeming with conflicting and aligned interests and we get closer to the truth.

    This is not 3D chess. This is not a problem that our brains are designed for. This is a strong argument for AI, assisted by human Intuition and all the enlightened arts, such as remote viewing.

    Did you know that Saturn was our sun?

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 7:48pm

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    We are squeezing out our Ulcers

    For all calamities there is counsel and remedy to be found, but Wr-alda wills that we should search it out ourselves, in order that we may become strong and wise. If we will not do that, he leaves us to our own devices, in order that we may experience the results of wise or foolish conduct.

    Minerva, Nicknamed NyHellania "Ny" meaning "New" and "Hell" meaning "Clear" (Helder in Afrikaans, Clear)

    Sandbach, William R.. The Oera Linda Book, English Translation . Kindle Edition.

    And here we are, squeezing out our ulcers.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 8:31pm

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    Arthur Robey said:

     the fact that reprehensible cretins inhabit every possible organization, religion, region, & country.

    Abrahamism has given Religion a very bad name. It is not the individual within Abrahamism, but the entire ethos.

    What other religion imposes itself upon innocent people under threat of death? "Convert, Or I will cut your throat." (Here's looking at you, Charlemagne, Butcher and Oathbreaker.)

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 9:01pm

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    Dr. Noack

    I believe that I was the one who brought Dr. Noack to the forums. And now I must reverse my position.

    Clif_High said he has phoned the Police where Dr. Noacks lives and they say that no deaths were registered in their books.

    Therefore I council caution. The whole exercise might be to discredit the jab critics and paint them as loony "Conspiracy Theorists".

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 9:04pm

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    Religions, cults etc

    Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, people have a way of taking everything to its pathological extreme. This goes for ALL religions, cults, vax cults, other things like certain political systems etc. militant “any belief system” is a BAD thing all around.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 9:08pm

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    The False Blame Game

    Primary Care_MD wrote:

    Grover and Rich: here's why this debate is so important to have right now: If CO2 is NOT a significant factor, then AGW is just another long con, and the appropriate response should be eye rolls 🙄 and shrugs 🤷.  They're all, "But it's an emergency!" To which I say, "good luck with that."

    Thanks good doctor,

    I agree that discussing the impact of atmospheric carbon dioxide is very important. There is so much misinformation in the Mainstream that it befuddles the mind. The more often and more boldly a gargantuan lie is uttered, the more people fall for it. Once you buy one lie, other lies are easier to accept as truth. That's why I feel this issue is so important.

    After I responded to 000's post, I started reading the recent posts at https://electroverse.net/. This one was of particular interest to me because it verified that carbon dioxide concentrations are not as detrimental as ScienceTM would have you believe. Here is the link to the paper and snippets of the write-up ...

    https://electroverse.net/climate-models-overestimate-co2s-impact-on-global-temperatures-by-factor-of-5/

    [Link to the paper: ] https://www.mdpi.com/2673-9321/1/2/14/htm

    Many will agree that human activities are impacting the planet, and that this may cause us problems in the future, but 1) these researchers are likely adhering to the ‘upside-down pyramid‘ that Dr. Nakamura talks of–where today’s AGW science is built on the work of just a few climate modeler pioneers, and 2) buzzwords like ‘crisis’ and ‘catastrophe’ aren’t used by scientists — such extremist terms are only bleated by alarmists and activist-journalists.

    However, the waters have been muddied by a reticence from those in the relevant academic fields, a silent complicity — because while scientists aren’t saying that we’re in the grips of an existential climatic threat, they aren’t widely dismissing it, either.

    This odd hush is due to the current political climate on the topic. It is career suicide to publicly denounce CAGW, and the wreckage of many a career lay strewn before us as proof.

    <snip>

    Russian physicists (Smirnov and Zhilyaev, 2021) have recently had their peer-reviewed paper published in the Advances in Fundamental Physics Special Issue for the journal Foundations.

    After a detailed assessing of the role of CO2 molecules in the atmosphere, they assert: “we have a contradiction with the results of climatological models in the analysis of the Earth’s greenhouse effect.”

    Key points from the paper, as collated by Kenneth Richard of notrickszone.com, include:

    1. Climate model calculations of CO2’s impact on global temperatures are in error by a factor of 5 as a result of “ignoring, in climatological models, the fundamental Kirchhoff law” which says radiators are “simultaneously the absorbers.”

    2. Change in the concentration of an optically active atmospheric component (like CO2) “would not lead to change in the outgoing radiative flux.”

    3. CO2 molecules “are not the main radiator of the atmosphere.” Water vapor molecules are, and thus they “may be responsible for the observed heating of the Earth.”

    <snip>

    Proponents of anthropogenic global warming can blindly dismiss these findings all they want, but what they clearly show is that the science is far from settled.

    As I've said many times on this site, I think that burning fossil fuels as rapidly as possible is extremely short-sighted and ludicrous. By the same token, the fuels contain so much stable energy that it is only a question of who consumes the bounty. All fossil fuels that are economically viable to extract will be extracted and subsequently consumed.

    It really doesn't matter if you live a Spartan lifestyle and limit consumption. Someone else will consume all that you've foregone. Worse, because of conservation efforts, the supply appears larger than it really is. Seemingly abundant supply influences people to make choices that take advantage of that supply e.g. commute from the suburbs in a single-occupant giant vehicle.

    Before any of you pat yourself on the back for commuting on your bicycle or Prius, notice all the big rig semi-trucks on the roadway. These trucks bring the goodies that you buy at your local store and pack home in your reusable bag. You need to consider all the embedded fossil fuels that went into mining, manufacturing, marketing, transporting, and selling each item. Once you do this, you'll be amazed at how "ungreen" you actually are.

    Also, focus on the real problem which is fossil fuels are a finite resource. Eventually, there will be depleted supplies and an end to our modern life. Where do you want to be when the wheels stop turning?

    Also, don't believe our so-called leaders who have lied repeatedly for their own benefit. They want you to limit consumption so their true stakeholders (massive campaign contributors) get to use fossil fuel bounties for themselves.

    I admit that I don't have a solution to this predicament. I just know that the solution they're selling has to be questioned to see who really benefits. They're manipulating the science so that it only supports their preferred answers. Because of this, the truth is hidden.

    Grover

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 9:34pm

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    Consider Sonnet 94. Provocation is an opportunity to practice.

    94

    They that have power to hurt and will do none,That do not do the thing they most do show,Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,Unmovèd, cold, and to temptation slow,They rightly do inherit heaven’s gracesAnd husband nature’s riches from expense;They are the lords and owners of their faces,Others but stewards of their excellence.The summer’s flower is to the summer sweet,Though to itself it only live and die;But if that flower with base infection meet,The basest weed outbraves his dignity.For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds.

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    The "elites" think they are better because, in general, they ARE better at some basic things:  state control when provoked, and ability to provoke others (to rash action or reflexive emotions).  That is how they control us.  We need to practice - and every provocation and outrageous communication is, among other things, an opportunity for us to practice.   If we are going to win WW4 we need to stop being such suckers for mere words to provoke us to emotion or thoughtless action.
    That's what this poem is suggesting, at least to me. As long as we continue to be easily provoked to rash responses, they have power over us.  That's the power Our Masters have always held over the mass of us.  That is the power we need to reclaim for ourselves in order to win this struggle, once and for all.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 9:39pm

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    Ricabot

    Abrahamists, the lot of them.

    Abrahamists or insouciant Materialists. The modern scourge of Abrahamism and Materialism.

    A Pox upon both house for the false choice that they put before us.

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 9:57pm

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    What happened to WWIII?

    Hi Stph. I have noted in some of your posts you refer to WW4. I am just wondering what happened to WW3. I am quite sure I did not miss it! 😉

    Care to tell me why you use WW4 instead of WW3 (which I believe is currently underway.) Thanks! 🙏🏻

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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 10:07pm

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    Religion as Saviour

    It depends on which mountain you climb. Who wants to reach the summit, only to find a misogynous old man with a beard and a bad attitude?

    Here Abrahamist and Evolutionary psychologist, Dr. Edward Dutton, may, or may not, discuss the evidence that Religiosity is very Adaptive.

    Of cause, I disagree completely with his choice of Religion.





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  • Sun, Dec 05, 2021 - 10:51pm

    Stph

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    WWiii? Oh, you noticed! It must have worked! :->

    Jan, I wrote my "Sonnet 94" entry, specifically as a follow-on to your entry "it is not our place".  There are a lot of things we didn't notice between 1945 and now, although most of these were just battles or moving fronts in the war. Consider how our dilemma right now would probably not have been possible without

    WTF Happened in 1971?

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 4:22am

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    What else is missing from climate change models?

    Rich, the biggest thing missing from the climate change models is the SUN, and it's impact on earth's weather.  The Sun is completely MIA in MSM climate models.  Additionally, I believe the data for the climate change models is also MIA, just like the NIST model of Tower 7.

    No data coming; it's a big secret, and we ain't in it.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 4:40am

    Hladini

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    Co2 has been demonized

    Rich, Co2 is not the boogey man - that's the main stream narrative - that most scientists do not agree with.  It's the Sun and natural cycles.

    Honestly, even after watching the Suspicious Observers disaster series, I thought I would rather have a magnetic excursion than a great reset!

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 4:48am

    Hladini

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    To Boomer41

    You smell a rat, eh?  That's why I'm going to get my hands on one of those microsopes and find out for myself.  Why don't you do the same?  This is worth investigating and could be the smoking gun needed to dissipate the mass formation - one or two people at a time.

    If the blood samples differ as in this video, then I'm taking the evidence to every local leader I possibly can.  Others should do the same.

    It is time for action.  They are vaxxing the children.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 4:59am

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    Terminator I'll keep you posted

    I'm meeting with two people today, with means, that could help fund the project.  I am sooooooooooooo curious to compare blood samples.

    The only thing sketchy to me was the translation.  The young citizen (underground) journalist bent over backwards to provide transparency and show the audience every step of the procedure.

    I love simple.

    If it's true, I dont' think any amount of mass formation will prevent most from waking up once they see the comparisons.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 5:06am

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    Anitak

    I see you are a newcomer to PP.  Chris' membership took off like a rocket during his pandemic reporting (2020).  Prior to the surge, the members of PP were a bit more homogenous and tilted towards the higher educated, white collar workers.

    With Chris' excellent reporting, many more people were attracted to join PP, from a more varied background.

    PP probably got more trolls, too.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 5:12am

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    Asking for censorship?

    Anitak, you don't have to read the post.  Skim past it.  Neglect is the worst form of abuse.  Ignore the trolls.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 5:18am

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    Hladini said:

    Excellent, Mike.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 5:36am

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    Correction

    The Lord is ever youthful, He wears a peacock feather and plays the flute, He charms millions of cupids, He is full of dazzling splendour!

    An old man with a beard?

    Where have you been, Arthur?

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 6:19am

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    Terminator said:

    Thanks Hladini,

    Although I can understand enough German to do without the (machine processed)  translation however not when it is mumbled medical slang like the somewhat nutty professor 😉

    I do love the simplicity and explorative mind here and, as sad as it might be, hope for this to be true. It will be a strong trigger for many!

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 6:47am

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    Terminator said:

    This is why we love Chris, open for anything as long as it makes sense and is based on data so we can just tap in if we need a dose of sense making ourselves.

    The only secondary thought I have is the distraction of some on-going discussions on certain topics. Again I love the diversity here and value each comment, but I just can't keep up with all and therefor look for guidance in who is most likely rattling the cage instead of trying to make sense of every comment made. Jumping in various rabbit holes eats my energy and time and I assume of many.

    I would not vote for a like button and AI to guide our attention, however we could use more structure and attention focussing. An index, tagging mechanism, proper forum and search functions are desperately anticipated in the new website on this side. As Mattias Desmet and Chris tell us, we need others to zoom out and I think this is done by better concentrating our efforts and zoom in on what can be factually presented as "truth". The dissidents are a few lengths behind and if shady data or too fringe stories are used it will set us back even more.

    My new mantra in this story is

    • Non-violent
    • Factual (official COVID deaths among sub 50 w & w/o co-morbidity is my favorite!)
    • Repetitive

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 7:13am

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    ET Aliens?

    Perhaps, but, what is really the hard evidence for that supposition?

    The Drake Equation has a few fatal flaws, specifically, the probability of life.

    One data point, earth, does not indicate a trend, and SETI has been fruitless so far.

    Explain how the planet Saturn was ever a star or ever our sun?

    Jupiter, if it had more mass, could have been a star and made our solar system a binary one, and even in "2010" by A.C.C. he imagined that all of these "megaliths" would ignite it.

     

     

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 7:33am

    GBruno1600

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    Religion or Superstition?

    Primordial Agnosis is the real issue.

    The true self is not the body and all of these false identities associated by it.

    Your true self is not your ideas and beliefs either.

    Your true self is the eternal "experiencer" that uses "individuated selves" to evolve.

    Like a individual raindrop that returns to the sea, it eternally still remains water.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 7:39am

    GBruno1600

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    Ignore all false dichotomies.

    For that way you see the whole coin,

    and not just one side or the other.

    Not just the logical construct of either/or,

    but both/and and also neither/nor or mu.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 9:30am

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    J.H. Kunstler applies Desmet's Mass Formation thesis to 2016-2021

    J.H. Kunstler succinctly and pungently applies Mattias Desmet's mass formation psychosis thesis to the last 5+ years:

    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/a-brief-history-of-epic-mass-madness/

    Remember: [in the USA,] the Progressive-Woke-Marxist-Jacobins liked nothing better than inflicting punishment. In fact, when you swept away all their ideological bullshit and the associated hustles, the movement was strictly about coercion, about pushing other people around, making them do as the Woke commissars willed. And there was a clearly sado-masochistic edge to all that. They relished cancelling people, wrecking careers, destroying reputations, livelihoods, marriages, families. Their political leaders had no qualms about exterminating hundreds of thousands of small businesses in Covid-19 lockdowns orchestrated by Woke heroes like Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York City and Governors Gavin Newsom of California and Jay Inslee of Washington State. And, of course, their darlings of the streets, BLM and Antifa, bashed-in shopfronts, looted all the merch, and burned down the buildings with mad glee.

    The Europeans, on the other hand, slid ever-deeper into despotic measures not seen since the Gestapo terrorized the continent. The Europeans face the same primal source of anxiety that the Americans do: the running down of their techno-industrial economies, except their predicament is arguably a little bit keener than ours is, since they have hardly any oil and natural gas of their own to run things on, and suffer terrible uncertainty about who will furnish it for them. If they had not gone out of their minds over what has turned out to be a pretty punk-ass virus — when treated early with a menu of cheaply available drugs — and hadn’t deified the false savior vaccines, they might be a whole lot more concerned about how they are going to heat their homes, fertilize their crops, and produce things of value — in short, remain civilized.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 10:07am

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    All excellent observations except...

    Eastern Europe is also a part of that "continent" and the Communist Secret Police were far more recent "papers please" tyrants than were the World War 2 German occupiers.

    An interesting footnote of "blindspottedness" to real history.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 10:31am

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    Alien Does Not Equal ET

    More interesting than the Drake Equation is Fermi's Paradox. Which leads you to Zoo Theory and possibly Simulation Theory.

    Humans are as of yet physiologically unable to decipher this puzzle. We're getting close to one hundred years of modern scientific observation of the phenomena. Physical Evidence has merely served to further obfuscate the mystery.  Whatever is it is, it presumes itself on a higher level than we tiny humans. They wield the laser pointer, we chase the dot.

    All observations have lead to one simple conclusion: the goal is deception and insidious seduction. There's a reason why the Overton Window concerning UFOs has remained consistently focused on the ET narrative. It serves the perpetrators of the conspiracy.

    I believe that Robey is referring to a deep-occult narrative. One that ties back to the ethnic conversation below. I don't feel like expounding on that topic or adding to that conversation because it's prone to irrational emotionalism instead of logic.

    What I don't understand is how Arthur reconciles that story with the ET story? They are not congruent, in my opinion.

    ET is an answer seeking the question.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 10:33am

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    Awesome link - thanks!

    Stph: thanks for the reply and the link. To have such an eye-popping collection of charts in one article is great. That is one I will be sending to others in my never ending quest to help wake people up.

    While poetry is not my thing, I get the gist of what you are saying. There have indeed been less obvious battles waged against us, continuously since 1945. And they will continue until the masses take the blinders off.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 11:00am

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    Replying to J.H. Kunstler applies Desmet's Mass Formation thesis to 2016-2021 (#198)

    Great article.

    Everyone should read it.

    Kunstler explains Desmet's theory in a way accessible to all. For instance, this passage explains:

    As Dr. Desmet lays it out, the disconnectedness of contemporary life, its lack of meaning or purpose for many, leads to unendurable anxiety. All that inchoate fear seeks desperately to attach itself to some real object, some thing or some force that can be comprehended, fought, and triumphantly overcome. Finding such a target produces an intoxicating sense of communal connection, purpose, and meaning, driving actions that are often crazy and also absolutely impervious to rational debate.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 12:28pm

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    Othering happens step-by-step

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 1:43pm

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    Aliens, again.

    Bruno, we haven't even got the basics right.

    I am like a reformed smoker, a real prothletiser of the New physics. And boy oh boy, did I believe the hornswaggle offered up as truth by people who professed to know everything about everything.

    Often I have made lists of the follies of mid-wits in their persuit of fame on these threads.

    Don't tempt me to make another.

    Allow doubt into your models. Start with the Thunderbolts Project on YouTube. Advance onto Dr. Pierre Robitaille, Sky scholar, YouTube.

    Once the door is slightly open, keep working the hinges and soon you will have escaped the Overton window built by people who just make stuff up.

     

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 2:15pm

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    Kunstler, the wordsmith.

    James is a wonderful wordsmith with a clear eye.

    But is that enough?

    I lean towards Clif_high for two reasons. He is paranoid and a Norman. The Northmen have conquered the world, using us Saxons.

    There must be a reason for their dominance. I have a model for why this is so, drawn from a very old encyclopedia Britannica article, which I am afraid will offend the delicate souls of Peak Prosperity. Therefore I self-censor. ( No. You cannot unwrap your present.)

    The line between genius and insanity is thinly drawn.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 2:21pm

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    I agree, "alien" doesn't equal "ET" at all.

    It all does provide for "plausible deniability" when "they" claim that "they" just don't know what "UFO's" are:

    "They" do know and also so do I!

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 2:32pm

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    toxicologist calls for an immediate halt to COVID-19 vaccines - 82% miscarriages, 300 deaths under 18

    This is From Dr Mercola's website Dec 5.  The 1st link below may expire in a few hours. Hopefully the 2nd and 3rd wont.

    STORY AT-A-GLANCE

    • Janci Chunn Lindsay, Ph.D., a molecular biologist and toxicologist, has called for an immediate halt to COVID-19 mRNA and DNA vaccines due to multiple safety concerns
    • There’s credible concern that the COVID jabs will cross-react with syncytin (a retroviral envelope protein) and reproductive genes in sperm, ova and placenta in ways that may impair fertility and reproductive outcomes
    • In the case of the COVID shots, important animal studies that help ascertain toxic and systemic effects were not done. We’re now seeing danger signals that are not being heeded. Preliminary safety results of mRNA COVID shots used in pregnant women, published in April 2021, revealed an 82% miscarriage rate when the jab was administered during the first 20 weeks of pregnancy
    • CDC data reveal more than 300 children between the ages of 12 and 18 have died from myocarditis, a now-recognized side effect of the COVID jab, yet the shot is now authorized for children as young as 5
    • Since the COVID gene therapies do not prevent infection, but only lessen symptoms, they are actually a treatment, not a prevention. And there are far safer and more effective treatment available, including nebulized peroxide, ozone therapy, and hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin regimens

    Janci Chunn Lindsay, Ph.D., is a molecular biologist and toxicologist and director of toxicology and molecular biology for Toxicology Support Services LLC. April 23, 2021, she delivered a three-minute public comment to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP).

    ....................
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/12/05/toxicologist-warns-against-covid-jabs.aspx
    https://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/Dr.JosephMercola-ExaminingtheEvidenceofSafeInterventionsforCOVID-19-ASpecialInterviewWithDrJanciLindsay.pdf
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/12/05/toxicologist-warns-against-covid-jabs.aspx

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 3:03pm

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    my thoughts on TPTB: they dream big, but often fail

    my thoughts on TPTB:

    they dream big, but often fail.

    they drop bombs, grab their loot, declare victory, then change the subject, never looking back, nor admitting error, but always blaming someone else

    they dont follow the pottery barn rule: they break the stuff, then make the commoners pay

    Iraq: "Shia? Sunnis? Kurds? How come nobody told us there were all these different groups that dont get along?" That was ONE country. They screwed it up so bad, even the war-loving MSM turned against them (eventually).

    None of this bodes well for their NWO, CBDC linked to social credit score, which is far more complex. Step 1 was Covid, and it's clearly NOT going as planned. TPTB seem to lurch from lockdown to censorship to mandate, every time provoking a strong pushback. They probably WILL wreck the system, like they did in Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, and Syria. That's the EASY part. But they won't be able to fix it.

     

    from WhoWhatWhy:

    Gen. Wesley Clark Shocker on 9/11 “Policy Coup”

    In this stunning but little-known speech from 2007, Gen. Wesley Clark claims America underwent a “policy coup” at the time of the 9/11 attacks. In this video, he reveals that, right after 9/11, he was privy to information contained in a classified memo: US plans to attack and remove governments in seven countries over five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran.

    He was told: “We learned that we can use our military without being challenged …. We’ve got about five years to clean up the Soviet client regimes before another superpower comes along and challenges us.”

    “This was a policy coup…these people took control of policy in the United States….”

     

    from

    TVWho: Gen. Wesley Clark Shocker on 9/11 “Policy Coup”

     

     

     

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 7:39pm

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    "They" didn't fail.

    The policy coup was the implementation of "their" own "Program for a New American Century", as sub-set of the "Cabal", or "Them".

    They didn't fail but achieved exactly what they wanted:

    The instability and destruction of all of Israel's enemies.

    Only Iran still remains in their sights now.

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  • Mon, Dec 06, 2021 - 10:42pm

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    aether22 said:

    This is important info, hope Chris covers it!

    a vast array of previously unknown Pfizer covid ‘vaccine’ adverse effects is released by Pfizer

    and:

    http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/

     

    These really are explosive!

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  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 6:46am

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    "Mass Formation" is just another name for "Divide and Conquer".

    The alienation, lack of meaning and purpose, and the fears are all manufactured by the "false identities" created by the "Cabal" specifically for that purpose.

    A rootless, confused, and fearful population is far easier to control and manipulate with constant and repetitive propaganda from all of the mass media the "Cabal" possesses.

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  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 7:05am

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    It is not that difficult to explain.

    The term "alien" doesn't mean an "ET", but, it did mean "German" in 1945.

    That is where and when the USA stole this and other high-technology from them under cover with "Operation Paperclip".

    That's what all "UFO'S" are that have been seen ever since then and the video from that naval jet confirmed their existence.

    The websites and sources you had referenced didn't answer my questions at all?

    How about providing all the specific video or text links to backup your assertions?

     

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 5:59am

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    Thoughts...

    In general: I think Mass Formation has entered society at a much deeper level then only Covid-19. As Mattias says, the 4 preconditions needed for MF have been there for a while (short overview at https://thomascasey.wordpress.com/2021/08/28/mass-formation-by-dr-mattias-desmet-professor-of-psychology-university-of-ghent/). The multiple ways and extremity of polarisation in 'western' society nowadays would seem to indicate that several 'movements' have found fertile ground to grow in.

    Some links that may be of interest (from the priceless RebelWisdom):

    The matter with things - Ian McGilchrist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U99dQrZdVTg

    Is reality all in your head - Bernardo Kastrup (the first half): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUUCirhtdHI

    Check out the 'Sensemaking' lines in the Playlists of RW https://www.youtube.com/c/RebelWisdom/playlists also very interesting.

    How to advance in this stew? Not sure, but getting back to the local, focusing on where control and potential influence lies. Working on underlying values.

    One of the challenges is that we seem to be confronted with constricting convergent approaches that are prescriptive (the 'Narrative') and should better focus on enabling divergent approaches that open up and give freedom and agency (like integrating the nine noble virtues http://odinsvolk.ca/new/virtues/) seem to be a good place to start.

    Many questions, little answers...

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 12:05pm

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    thumbs up grover

    you saved me a lot of time

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 12:36pm

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    mattias is naive

    he obviously has the mass formation right. noam chomsky wrote "manufacturing consent" a long time ago. the work of edward bernays has been seminal.

    it is nothing more than an assertion that because totalitarianism has failed in the past it will fail now. there is no scientific evidence to support that. on top of that there needs to be better definitions. what is totalitarianism? sheldon wolin has posited that what we now have is "inverted totalitarianism"  thus it is a totalitarianism vastly different from what existed in the past. that past relied on "strongmen" inverted totalitarianism does not rely on a single individual. it is actually a form of mass formation.

    i am avowed "conspiracy analyst" . i completely reject the label of conspiracy theorist as being a marginalization. conspiracies have existed since the garden of eden. they are a fact of human existence and are operating on many levels in all arenas of human existence.

    for mattias to think that this (plandemic response) is some kind of natural evolution of some kind of group think belies and astounding level of ignorance. as mentioned above rfk's book details the current modus operandi. that said one only need to look at history to see that what is happening globally is not random.

    in 1913 the international banking cartel took control of the us monetary system. "give me control of a country's money supply and i care not who makes its laws." attibute that quote to whoever you wish it is still true.

    the roundtable group was started in london  in 1909. this was still while the british empire was extant and exerterd control over large swaths of the planet. in the us it mutated into the cfr. since then there have been many such organizations such as the bilderbergs, wef, trilateral commission etc. these groups are cross pollinated.  the early 20th century was pregnant with movements to concentrate control in the hands of a few. not least of which is the eugenics movement supported by the rockefellers. bill gates sr. was an avowed eugenicist and close with the rockefellers. bill jr. has continued the tradition. bill jr has far outstripped his father in terms of effectiveness and vision.

    jr. has virtually taken control of global health by using the billions of his foundation. this has been well documented in rfk jr.'s book and elsewhere.

    bill clinton's mentor at georgetown carroll quigley in his book "tragedy and hope " clearly explains the thought processes of the "controllers". they see themselves as completely altruistic and far superior to the masses. they are crafting a world that they believe will be far more sustainable, ie far fewer people with far less self sovereignty. this is not a completely new idea. the founders of the u.s. recognized that the sheeple could not be trusted to steer the ship of state and thus created a system to keep them far away from the levers of power.

    this has gone on far long and could go one even farther so i will sum it up. it is naive to think that this is some sort of hypnosis at the top. mattias is ignorant of the historical facts. what he has done in elucidating mass formation is a step in the right direction but he is in effect ignoring the fundamental issue. he is thus wittingly or unwittingly a tool of the controllers. it is necessary that every aspect of the conspiracy be brought to light. otherwise we are just pissing in the dark

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 12:50pm

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    great reset

    one item i missed. was the concept of "global neo feudalism" michael hudson has written about this copiously.

    in medieval times the serfs were tied to the land. this along with slavery was a very messy and time consuming system which required lots of resources.

    in modern times serfs are now tied to the currency. serfs have no control of their currency they are subject to the policies of the owners of the currency.

    globally there is a move by the international banking cartel to institute cbdc. the project is well underway in china. you will have an account at the central bank. every penny you receive and spend will be tacked and traced. should you not go along with government policy you will have your account frozen. you will become financially invisible. you financial privacy will disappear. no more yard sales, no more little kids with lemonade stands, no more hiring anyone and paying "cash". the federal reserve will then not only control monetary policy but fiscal policy as well.

    if one thinks that this is not part of the plan, well just remember the quote , "give me control of a nation's money supply and i care not who makes its laws".

    i find it puzzling that there has been very little if any discussion of this on this site.

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 12:57pm

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    Mr. Michael said:

    Joe,

    it is naive to think that this is some sort of hypnosis at the top.

    I watched a number of Mattias interviews and I went away thinking that it's clearly not Mass Formation at the top, but Mass Formation certainly helps explain the day-to-day for most people. And I certainly think there are politicians who are not "leaders" in any actual sense and are far enough outside any inner circles that they are part of the masses.

    I went away thinking that Mattias had said (implied?) that Mass Formation was being used as a deliberate tool for control. So I didn't think he said the actual leaders are hypnotized. Maybe he did say that and I missed it?

    That was just my impression.

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 1:22pm

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    There are answers to all questions.

    But, those same answers require the willingness and ability to see both the individual trees and the whole forest and have the perspective of the height of literally hundreds and thousands of years of factual history.

    Therein, lies the rub!

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 1:39pm

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    The "Great Reset" is for World Dominion and Totalitarianism.

    As long as you do all believe in their "false narratives",

    the "Cabal" are secure in their dominance and control.

    "Mass Formation" is deliberate and requires "false identities".

    Primordial Agnosis afflicts the controllers as well as the controlled.

    If "They" knew who and what they really are, they wouldn't be so evil.

    So, here we are, again, with another "mass genocide" and "Great Flood"-

    putting the survival and advancement and Prosperity of Humans at Risk.

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 1:47pm

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    The pandemic will be followed by the CBDCs

    I agree with you Joe2baba.

    globally there is a move by the international banking cartel to institute cbdc. the project is well underway in china. you will have an account at the central bank. every penny you receive and spend will be tacked and traced. should you not go along with government policy you will have your account frozen. you will become financially invisible. you financial privacy will disappear. no more yard sales, no more little kids with lemonade stands, no more hiring anyone and paying "cash". the federal reserve will then not only control monetary policy but fiscal policy as well.

    if one thinks that this is not part of the plan, well just remember the quote , "give me control of a nation's money supply and i care not who makes its laws".

    i find it puzzling that there has been very little if any discussion of this on this site.

    Im hoping for Chris to devote more time to this even though it will draw away time from pandemic coverage (though as you say the two dynamics are linked link Fall and Winter). I’ve heard TPTB in the west are working feverishly to launch their CBDCs and that they aren’t ready yet. That may be true or it may be a smokescreen to alleviate any anxiety among those who are paying attention. Too late: I’m very concerned and convinced that CBDCs are inevitable. The only unknown is timing and the look of the CBDC 1.0. But even if Chris doesn’t return to original form soon (The Three E’s) we who compose the hive mind can start doing the work ourselves. I’m done with the pandemic.

    The other issue is: Will the Covid pandemic last long enough or will The Trillions require a bridge crisis to reach from the end of Covid to the launch date for the CBDC?

    “Happy Hunger Games! And may the odds be ever in your favor.”

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 1:57pm

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    000 said:

    It's easy to complain.

    The brain used to be my favorite organ, until I realized who it was that was telling me this.

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 2:02pm

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    Technical question

    I'm getting cross site script warnings. Are there really 24 scripts?

    With all the yamering in this formum i wonder howmany are actually doing something about their contribution to the machine? LOL  Like browser security?

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 2:07pm

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    000 said:

    Pssst!

    bitcoin

    study it

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 2:16pm

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    Primary Care_MD said:

     

    Has Chris discussed CBDCs much? At all? I know he is aware of them, because his friend George Gammon just did a great video discussing them....

    https://youtu.be/dtwrn1eUqkU

    ....................

    CBDCs (and carbon credits) explain why Western govts keep pushing vaccine passports even while admitting the "vaccines" dont prevent catching or spreading covid.

    ....................

    my working hypothesis is that TPTB are doing everything they can to keep various content creators like Chris, David Martin, Catherine Austin Fitts, James Corbett, David Dubyne, Ben Davidson, Lynette Zang, et al trapped in "silos," so nobody sees the 'whole elephant', the big picture. They're allowed to connect enough dots to make a constellation, but not enough to describe the galaxy.

    What does Chris think about Climate change?

     

     

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 2:27pm

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    The "Bridge Crisis".

    The "Bridge Crisis" between the "Covid-19 War" and the tyrannical implementation of a "Global Digital Currency" all tied to your "Social Credit Score" and the Technocratic Totalitarian World Government of a Dominion by the "Cabal" is just the "Great Reset" and thus the total collapse of the USD as the world's reserve currency and the demise of the "Petro-dollar".

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 2:46pm

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    It is not that difficult to explain.

    The "silos" are the "false identities" and "false narratives" that the "Cabal" has created for them all.

    Even "Primordial Agnosis" has a grip upon the "Cabal", making them evil incarnate.

    From what I have seen or read, CM buys the HCCC "false narrative" about CO2.

    It's nonsense, along with many other "false narratives" all of, by, and for the "Cabal".

    The bottom-line: it has Always been about Mind Control and Corralling the "Cattle".

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 2:48pm

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    Trust me...like I'm a kin of Mr. Rogers....

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 3:13pm

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    Treat or Trick?

    joe2baba wrote:

    globally there is a move by the international banking cartel to institute cbdc. the project is well underway in china. you will have an account at the central bank. every penny you receive and spend will be tacked and traced. should you not go along with government policy you will have your account frozen. you will become financially invisible. you financial privacy will disappear. no more yard sales, no more little kids with lemonade stands, no more hiring anyone and paying "cash". the federal reserve will then not only control monetary policy but fiscal policy as well.

    if one thinks that this is not part of the plan, well just remember the quote , "give me control of a nation's money supply and i care not who makes its laws".

    i find it puzzling that there has been very little if any discussion of this on this site.

    joe,

    The cryptocurrency issue is quite polarizing on this site. There are many avid supporters and some who avoid the issue completely. Most (including me) don't really understand the inner workings. Frankly, I don't want to understand the inner workings. I don't trust that it will be there when I need it.

    I was reading Jesse's comments at Jesse's Café Américain (jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com) yesterday when I noticed his "
    MATIÈRES À RÉFLEXION (DESCENDING ORDER)" group of interesting posts that he has collected. One of them was about the origin of bitcoin.  https://cryptowhale.medium.com/5-reasons-to-believe-the-deep-state-or-the-nsa-created-bitcoin-5d53a3c483f2 It is worth the ~10 minutes it takes to read! Here are the 5 reasons without the supporting analysis:

    1. Edward Snowden’s Leaked NSA Documents
    2. Bitcoin’s Hashing Algorithm
    3. Leaked Documents From 2017 also appear to show NSA Infiltrated Cryptos, Tor Browser, VPN
    4. Satoshi Nakamoto’s Odd Disappearance
    5. FBI holds second-largest Bitcoin wallet ever

    What I find truly fascinating is that nobody has revealed who (or what) Satoshi Nakamoto is. It stands to reason that whoever this Satoshi Nakamoto is, he/they would be able to mine plenty of bitcoin before they let the cat out of the bag. In the 5th bullet point, the author argues that the FBI owns 300,000 bitcoin. He also estimates that Satoshi likely has 1 million bitcoin. If each bitcoin is "worth" $50K, that makes Satoshi worth ~$50 billion. He would be one of the richest people on earth. If Satoshi isn't flaunting his/her wealth, what good is it?

    That is what gives me pause to accept it. Something just doesn't smell right. Is it a new form of money that makes Central Banks obsolete? Or is it a tool developed by the deep state to trick greedy individuals into promoting a new form of "money" - a form that inherently can be tracked and controlled?

    So far, government and the central banks have been largely silent about cryptos. At what point do the cryptocurrencies get big enough to threaten the central banks? Do you really think the central banks want to relinquish the power they control? Unless bitcoin is able to completely circumvent their system, it has vulnerabilities. Even then, if the central banks issue their own cryptocurrency and force congress to outlaw the other forms, the perceived value will plummet.

    What happens to those who purchased bitcoin along the way at prices much higher than it's plummeted price? I guess they'll just be useful idiots (in Stalin's parlance) who deserve their fate.

    Grover

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 3:32pm

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    lovely explanation / confession by the head of the BIS

    lovely explanation / confession by the head of the BIS - all in 1 minute!





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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 4:50pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    The models predict a linear or exponentially-increasing carbon dioxide load entering the atmosphere for the next century at least. The reality is that fossil fuels are a finite resource.

    I hope you are aware of positive feedback loops central to the climate models? We don't need to burn another single barrel of oil for CO2 to continue to be emitted for another century if positive feedback loops kick in -- for example, melting of methane clathrates and polar tundra. A slight nudge in temperature releases a bunch more greenhouse gases which then contribute to further warming and a positive feedback cycle continues until a new warmer equilibrium is reached. This seems to be how the climate has behaved in the historical record.

    Historical temperature dataHistoric CO2 levels

    These charts has been around for decades and clearly show the relationship between global temperature and CO2. The cycles are generally caused by orbital periods or solar cycles, but the intensity of the transitions between different climate quasi-equilibria is caused by positive feedback loops. Of course, you are welcome to challenge these charts if you wish based on your scientific understanding.

    I find it odd how so many AGW-deniers are so quick to point out the hubris of the climate modellers and their audacious attempts understand the global climate, yet the deniers seem equally confident in their conviction that AGW is BS and that they are the ones who truly understand how the climate works; and that humanity could not possibly have such an impact on the big ol' world. Who's really full of hubris?

    A logical approach to the issue would be to take the precautionary principle and conclude that we should not be radically altering the main greenhouse gas concentration (after water, but that doesn't count because of its very short residence time) considering how closely it is tied to temperature. Especially since we are running out of fossil fuels and we will, one way or another, dramatically reduce regardless.

    Sorry, I'm not going to jump on the anti-AGW bandwagon simply because the elites are using it as a tool to bring in global communism. They use many tools to control us; that doesn't mean the tools aren't based on reality.

    You want to have a discussion about how we are going to deal with scarcity of fossil fuels? As in, should we let capitalist economies deal with it by allowing prices to rise and the market to sort it out itself, versus communists taking control and dictating how much gasoline each person will be allotted based on their social credit score? Sure, that's a great discussion, let's have it, rather that clouding the debate with this groundless attack on AGW. I don't seem the point of it or what good it will do.

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 5:37pm

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    ooo pssst

    i agree but my observation is from reading this site it is populated by largely white, middle to upper middle class individuals who are boomer to gen x with afew others scattered around. these people are not "digital" .  their future is now. the later generations have realized that this system is of the boomers, by the boomers and for the boomers.  this should provide some insight into why the policies that are being enacted are what they are. well it won't post the link. i have had that trouble here before. google "average age of us congress people"

    from my observation the discussions devolve into nothing more than endless fud mongering.  the forum posts on digital assets disappear in a sea of covid posts. of course this site is devoted to gold and silver and homesteading so there is unlikely to be any discussion from the top.

    it seems a few here understand how important the digital asset space is to individual sovereignty but most are unable to make the connection between money and control.

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 5:58pm

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    they had me for 20+ years, then they lost me

    Covid has shown us that we have a DUTY to ourselves, our children, our friends, to society, to question THEIR data and THEIR conclusions. Especially when THEY control who gets funding and who gets published. Why have TPTB been so afraid of letting other sides present their theories? Suppression of ideas = politics, and an agenda, not real science.

     

    from
    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/02/investigative-reports/schwab-family-values/

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 6:15pm

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    hypnosis at the top or a great reset plan. mr. michael

    Mattias Desmet [01:09:44] Exactly. And then that's also why, personally, I do not think that ultimately what we are dealing with is a conspiracy. It's an ideological problem. That's what I believe. Ultimately, of course, people conspire from time to time and so on. But ultimately, we are dealing with the problem at the level of of a of our own. We are dealing with an ideological problem. I think people are grasped and a certain ideology, a certain view on men in the world. And that is this view of men in the world is the real problem in this situation. That's what I believe.

    "For instance, also totalitarian leaders typically also hypnotized by their own voice and their own theory, they are hypnotized. Gustaf Le Bon sees that, and not everyone sees that sees it as well. They are hypnotized by their own ideology, "

    of course "they believe their ideology" everyone does. he is naive to think that this is not a conspiracy. does he think " they get togeter in davos for the skiing? do the bilderbergs get together to drink 12 year old scotch? what about the cfr which hillary admitted told the government what it "should be doing"?

    the following is a quote from david rockefeller whose family donated the land for the u.n. .

    whose family funded eugenics movements, whose family founded the modern pharmaceutical industry etc. etc. etc.
    “For more than a century, ideological extremists, at either end of the political spectrum, have seized upon well-publicized incidents, such as my encounter with Castro, to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal, working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists,' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.
    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years......It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”

    ― David Rockefeller, Memoirs

    yep i am wrong and mattias is completely wrong. no conspiracy. nothing more to see here move along.

    ps i apologize for the large bolding. i did not do it that is the way it copied. this site has issues with posting links and copying. apologies

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 6:42pm

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    The infamous Limits to Growth report.

    Professors Meadows and Meadows and Dr. Jorgan Randers developed their Model and found it was good.

    It's results displeased everybody. So they set about tweeking the inputs to see how beneficial they could make the output.

    They found that if we diverted all capital from industry into agriculture by 1982 then a lifstyle similar to that of 1898 could be achieved.

    Their 2000 edition comes with a CD with the program on it so that you, yourself could twiddle the knobs yourself to see how Your favourite solution came out.

    (I'm betting Clause hasn't done his homework).

    The way to attack the Limits to Growth report is not by calling them rude names.

    I have endlessly repeated on this site that the way to attack their model is to attack their Assumptions.

    Their assumption is that we are confined to the surface of this planet. Whence comes this assumption?

    From Einstein and his bent nothingness conjecture. It might astonish people but there are other models that recieve little air and less funding.

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 6:56pm

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    Mr. Michael said:

    Joe,

    Thank you for the transcript. You have a point, indeed, I can see why you said he was naive. Maybe it’s a case of not wanting to see or comprehend evil?

    This quote:

    totalitarian leaders typically also hypnotized by their own voice and their own theory

    I mean yes, but that’s not the same kind of hypnosis as Mass Formation … that’s the con man believing the flattering parts of his own con.  But the con man still knows it’s a con.

     

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 7:21pm

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    Hubris?

    Since you had asked, all those that have blind faith in all of the "false narratives" have it but less so than the "Cabal" that created them all.

    The sun supplies 99.99% of the earth's energy but humans are the ones all causing all of the global warming?

    Hubris, indeed!

    Bad science is worse than even no science, especially, when politicized.

     

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 7:25pm

    GBruno1600

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    Naive or In Denial?

    The former gives him the benefit of the doubt, the latter, not so much!

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 7:40pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    Covid has shown us that we have a DUTY to ourselves, our children, our friends, to society, to question THEIR data and THEIR conclusions. Especially when THEY control who gets funding and who gets published.

    Please do. I'd love it if you were able to debunk all the ice core and other data that show such a strong relationship between CO2 and temperature. Then we wouldn't have to worry about it. I just haven't seen this debunking. Let's do that -- let's separate what is true versus not, and link this to how the elites are using it all against us. Simply because we don't like what the elites are doing, doesn't mean that everything they tell us is by default wrong.

    Also I'd love for you to show me the numbers that humanity isn't overpopulated, and that we could still support 8 billion people without the energy slaves of fossil fuels. I  went through the exercise myself and saw with my own eyes, the numbers relating ecological net primary production per hectare versus the energy required to sustain a person. The reality is stark -- without fossil fuels or some miraculous energy replacement, humanity is grossly overpopulated.

    The sun supplies 99.99% of the earth's energy but humans are the ones all causing all of the global warming? Hubris, indeed!

    I believe that greenhouse gases cause the planet to be 33 C warmer than it would otherwise be. The sun may indeed provide 99.99% of the planet's energy but greenhouse gases are the reason it's warmer. Since we have significantly altered the concentration of the most important greenhouse gas, it stands to reason that, yes, humanity has indeed caused an impact on the climate. To suggest that we have caused "all" of it is a simplistic political statement.

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 8:27pm

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    gkcjrrt said:

    "it seems a few here understand how important the digital asset space is to individual sovereignty but most are unable to make the connection between money and control."

    The money and control question is a poignant insight and spot on.  Some think crypto currencies will liberate; others view CBDC as the ultimate form of power and control means.  One get potentially get rich by speculating in crypto, but as a solution to maintaining personal autonomy, IMO it's likely a trap laid by TPTB, along the lines Grover mentions.

    The digital world is very very important in the plans by the elite to increasing exert control of the masses removing/abrogating individual sovereignty.  Metaverse kinda sums it up for me.  Like the scene in the Matrix - all these individuals in 10x10 cells with their digital universe and virtual reality, and probably some Soma - happy and content in cages they can't see.

     

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 8:27pm

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    mr. michael

    mattias is naive. as i stated he is operating under a set of assumptions which bear no relation to reality. the major totalitarian countries of the world do not have dictators a la hitler, mao, stalin, pol pot etc. as sheldon wolin has stated and david rockefeller has stated  in his own way what we now have is " inverted totalitarianism". i am not going to give a disserteation of it you can look it up for yourself.

    thanks to the work of eddie bernays and a few others along with the exponential growth of technology mass formation is extremely easy.

    mattias still thinks there are "leaders". most of the globe is controlled by multinational corporations. blackrock, vanguard, state st. being the top three. the leaders he refers to are mere lackeys. sheeple require "leaders" . sovereign individuals are their own leaders.

    there is a well organized plan for world domination. you can choose to believe it or not. mattias makes an assertion w/o any data to back it up that totalitarianism will fail. again he provides no evidence or definitions. what is failure?

    i have presented just a snippet of info to support my position. there is quite a bit more information out there for anyone willing to take the red pill.

    here is my definition of conspiracy.

    con·spir·a·cy
    /kənˈspirəsē/
    Learn to pronounce
    noun
    1. a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
      • the action of plotting or conspiring.

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 8:32pm

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    rotflmao

    this forum values data and facts. you have spun a very paranoid fantasy about the digital asset space devoid of any factual information.

    opinions have value here when based on verifiable information.

    but what is most obvious is a lack of an alternative to preserve sovereignty.

    i'll hang up and listen

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 9:05pm

    gkcjrrt

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    Replying to joe2baba

    Glad I could bring you some laughter.

    "but what is most obvious is a lack of an alternative to preserve sovereignty."

    I'm going to infer you're referring to crypto, but am not sure, so let me know if not.

    So there's no alternative to preserve sovereignty w/o cryptos/blockchain?   Are you prepared to prove that assertion with facts, or is that just your paranoid fantasy opinion, man?

    Maybe just call me a dumbass GenX who doesn't get, declare victory and move on to recruit new cult members.

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 9:16pm

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    joe2baba said:

    rotflmao once again.

    i made the assertion that YOU did not offer an alternative to preserve sovereignty.

    gold, silver, homestead, deep pantry are not alternatives.

    i suggest you read my posts in their entirety.

    have a wonderful life

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  • Wed, Dec 08, 2021 - 11:19pm

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    Sure there's a conspiracy

    But what will the outcome be?  The planetary system of which the biosphere is a significant part and the human economy/culture is a smaller part is a hugely complex nonlinear system that is currently in a state of overshoot.  How we come back into equilibrium in such a system is impossible to predict.  They have their plans.  Their competitors have their plans.  We plebes have our plans.  And Earth has her plans which are unknowable to us.

    Collapse of this complex human society into something much simpler with far fewer people is in the cards.  How quickly and with what twists and turns is anyone's guess.

    We could imagine that the elites have it all worked out with their evil plans.  But they're human.  They suffer from the same problems as the rest of us: disconnection and the trauma it induces, living in a world that is not in line with their biology, the exponential growth of dysfunction as it is passed down from one generation to the next, separation and fear of death, a desperate drive for control as they have no sense of anything beyond this body and this life.

    Finally, there's the hubris they construct over it all to create the illusion that their plan will succeed. To believe anything else would be so unbearably painful that they would descend into darkness and death.

    They are not gods.  They are flawed humans.  Hopelessly disconnected, afraid, alone and desperate to feel like they're in control.  Which they are to some degree, at least for a time.  But the nature of nonlinear chaotic systems is that things get away from you.

    Those of us who have glimpsed something beyond this know that there is no such thing as control over such a complex system.  We ground ourselves in appreciating whatever is in front of us in the moment, in letting go, in reveling at the beauty and mystery of it all, especially this wonderfully chaotic, swirling, unpredictable parade of life, human and otherwise.

    Some of us or more likely our distant descendants will find ourselves in a world that is once more in a state of equilibrium, more or less.  But a new storm will come after that too.

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  • Thu, Dec 09, 2021 - 12:16am

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    Primary Care_MD said:

    Watching a plan being implemented that is designed to reduce the world's population has shaken my faith in humanity, especially given all the accomplices, at every level. And all the institutions that are complicit, or staying silent. Many die quickly, while others suffer for weeks or months. It is an earth-shaking event for me. The fact that they were asking for volunteers, to end their lives early, 'for the good of the planet', makes it even more upsetting. Of course, now, they've moved on to full coercion.

    That is the context that now frames how I understand climate change. It's the same people pulling the strings, the central bankers, and the billionaires, who are suddenly so concerned with our vaccination status, and with saving the planet from CO2 (despite their huge investments in fossil fuel companies, and their frequent travel by private jet.)

    The fertilizer shortages are deliberate, as are the reductions in oil and gas supplies, and the container ships unable to unload in Long Beach.

    The Fed is printing money to price most of us out of the housing market. Soon we'll own nothing, if we just roll over and submit. Covid was step 1, climate is step 2.

    Their plans include CBDC, UBI, total informational awareness, trans-humanism, and carbon credits. They want us to eat lab grown meat, insect protein, and be their serfs.

    I'm not going to surrender to this technocracy / totalitarianism. To me, its worth the fight. It's not the kind of world I want my children to grow up in.

    ....................

    TPTB cherry-pick their data:

    Volcanoes, Cosmic Rays, the Magnetic Field, and the Sun are ALL forcings completely dismissed by the IPCC.

    The latest report doesn’t address past failed predictions either, namely those temperature models–none of which have played-out as expected (earth has actually cooled some 0.7C since 2016).

     

    My takeaway from the report is that the IPCC are “sun deniers”.

    I don’t know what they believe the purpose of that bright mass of energy in the sky is, but they are suspiciously dismissive of its influence — the sun, it appears, is an inconvenient spanner threatening to jam the cogs of their fragile politicized narrative.

    This is why the majority of solar forcings are missing from the report, as these omissions mean any observed changes in the climate can be attributed to human activity. In other words, denying the sun leaves big gaps in our understanding of the climate system, but these gaps are intentional and required as they mean “human carbon dioxide emissions” can be used to plug them — only by ignoring powerful natural forcings can a rise in CO2 make any kind of sense.

    This latest IPCC report is not a genuine attempt to impart truth, far from it.

    It is instead a political document, intended to be rolled-up and used to browbeat policy makers into implementing the “correct” measures, measures which will soon include “food/fuel rationing” and “climate lockdowns” in the name of “saving the planet” but which in reality will extend totalitarian control over the population, control they deem essential before the real SHTF:

    The COLD TIMES are returning, the mid-latitudes are REFREEZING, in line with the great conjunction, historically low solar activity, cloud-nucleating Cosmic Rays, and a meridional jet stream flow (among other forcings).

    from https ://electroverse.net/the-ipccs-latest-climate-report-is-antiscience-and-antihuman-reject-it/

    see graphs below, from the same source

    ....................

    there is NO climate emergency. lets keep gathering data, and see if the cooling trend continues....

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Thu, Dec 09, 2021 - 2:26am

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    Here We Go Again

    Mark,

    I hope you will actually follow through this time and debate your ideas. What you've done every time so far that I challenge your beliefs ... is you disappear. You don't refute my claims, you just disappear. Then, on some other thread, you come out guns-a-blazen' and write something akin to what I was trying to dispel the previous attempt. It is happening again! Why do you think this is an effective strategy?

    It is really hard to have any sort of respect whatsoever for your debating style. Since you won't address your beliefs, it is really hard to maintain this "communication." I'll be as polite as possible (this time) because that reflects on me. Don't assume I have  any respect for you or your position.

    Mark_BC wrote:

    I hope you are aware of positive feedback loops central to the climate models? We don't need to burn another single barrel of oil for CO2 to continue to be emitted for another century if positive feedback loops kick in -- for example, melting of methane clathrates and polar tundra. A slight nudge in temperature releases a bunch more greenhouse gases which then contribute to further warming and a positive feedback cycle continues until a new warmer equilibrium is reached. This seems to be how the climate has behaved in the historical record.

    These charts has been around for decades and clearly show the relationship between global temperature and CO2. The cycles are generally caused by orbital periods or solar cycles, but the intensity of the transitions between different climate quasi-equilibria is caused by positive feedback loops. Of course, you are welcome to challenge these charts if you wish based on your scientific understanding.

    I wish you had provided a link to where you got those charts. With my old eyes, it is difficult to read. I'll try to make some interpretations, but I have to limit what I can say. Granted, you acknowledge orbital periods and solar cycles, but you revert back to your comfort zone of "feedback loops." I also wish you would expound on your definition of solar cycles. Are you just talking about the ~11 year sunspot cycle, or do you see longer duration cycles? Which ones do you acknowledge? As far as orbital cycles, what exactly are you talking about? I don't want to presume that I can read your mind.

    You assume that carbon dioxide is the dominating cause for recent warming. Yes, that's what mainstream climate models assume as well. (It's the best science that money can buy.) You've swallowed that line of thinking and believe it so fervently that you can't understand why others can't see the same light you have. You have also conflated coincidence with causation. Did the climate warm and then carbon dioxide concentration subsequently rose, or was it the other way around? How do you know?

    You made no mention of the energetic sun during the 20th century denoted by solar scientists as the Modern Maximum. This is in contrast to the solar minimum that the Maunders documented. That one was associated with the Little Ice Age. Do the models you believe are so accurate actually back cast for the last millennium and accurately "predict" actual temperatures? Given that the carbon dioxide levels of the Holocene (last 20,000 years) has been relatively stable (based upon my interpretation of the charts you provided,) shouldn't that portend a stable temperature regime as well? Have you even seen one of the modern models used to "predict the past temperatures (before 1850)? If the models can't do this, even an idiot would realize those models are worthless.

    I find it odd how so many AGW-deniers are so quick to point out the hubris of the climate modellers and their audacious attempts understand the global climate, yet the deniers seem equally confident in their conviction that AGW is BS and that they are the ones who truly understand how the climate works; and that humanity could not possibly have such an impact on the big ol' world. Who's really full of hubris?

    When you use the term "AGW-deniers," are you using it as a dismissive pejorative to associate with knuckle-dragging Neanderthals who are simply too dense to accept your version of the truth? What sort of pejorative would you prefer that I associate with you and the other true-believers? (It would be impolite for me to offend you. What do you think of the term, "Chicken Little?" Is that accurate enough?)

    A logical approach to the issue would be to take the precautionary principle and conclude that we should not be radically altering the main greenhouse gas concentration (after water, but that doesn't count because of its very short residence time) considering how closely it is tied to temperature. Especially since we are running out of fossil fuels and we will, one way or another, dramatically reduce regardless.

    Your suggestion that we take the precautionary principle obviates the need for real science. We can just assume that producing greenhouse gasses is detrimental to the earth's temperature and then let our so-called leaders tell us how much carbon dioxide we're allowed to emit. Meanwhile, they have no compunctions about flying in private jets to meetings that could easily be attended remotely via the internet. Have you noticed this with the COP26 meeting? I have.

    I'm glad that you acknowledge water vapor as the dominant greenhouse gas. Unfortunately, you say that water vapor doesn't count because of it's very short residence time. Have you considered that the atmospheric capacity to hold water vapor is well understood. In fact, the warmer the air, the more humidity it can hold. When it cools down sufficiently, water vapor condenses and may form clouds that increase the albedo and/or precipitation; however, water from other sources then evaporate to replace it. Even though a particular water molecule is short-lived, other water molecules fill the void.

    Because water vapor can form clouds that reflect sunlight during the day, water vapor is one of those feedback loops that works to stabilize temperatures. Hmmm.

    Sorry, I'm not going to jump on the anti-AGW bandwagon simply because the elites are using it as a tool to bring in global communism. They use many tools to control us; that doesn't mean the tools aren't based on reality.

    The elites want to limit your usage of fossil fuels. They want to flit hither and yon at any whim and use as many resources as they want. A one-world global government that constricts your (and my) rights would be impossible to extricate once it is established. What does your "precautionary principle" say we should do? Should we say that it is just a coincidence that they buy the ScienceTM that they want so they can subjugate us and keep ALL the spoils to themselves? (I think you know my position here.)

    You want to have a discussion about how we are going to deal with scarcity of fossil fuels? As in, should we let capitalist economies deal with it by allowing prices to rise and the market to sort it out itself, versus communists taking control and dictating how much gasoline each person will be allotted based on their social credit score? Sure, that's a great discussion, let's have it, rather that clouding the debate with this groundless attack on AGW. I don't seem the point of it or what good it will do.

    I'm sorry. This last paragraph doesn't make any sense to me. You seem somewhat enamored with the idea of communism. Communism works on a small scale where individuals feel connected enough with others in the group that they willingly work hard to provide for the others' needs. My wife and I run our household this way. The Native American Tribes operated this way as well. That's about as big (a few hundred people) as it can get before there are just too many folks to get to know and care about.

    Have you seen any Nation-State system that has adopted communism (or some other form of dictatorship) that actually works out well for the plebs? The best one I can think of is Gaddafi's Syria. He was a benevolent dictator and his people were better off because of him. Of course, he would have won a democratically run election if he weren't dictator for life. That's a rarity.

    Grover

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  • Thu, Dec 09, 2021 - 5:53pm

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    CO2 going up

    Grover,

    you mentioned,

    "In any case, once all have been consumed, what is going to drive CO2 levels higher?"

    What do you think about nuclear plants melting down? Won't that happen as fossil fuels get consumed? Would that drive CO2 levels higher?

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  • Thu, Dec 09, 2021 - 8:27pm

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    Nuclear Carbon

    tinarock wrote:

    What do you think about nuclear plants melting down? Won't that happen as fossil fuels get consumed? Would that drive CO2 levels higher?

    Tina,

    If we have nuclear plants melting down, carbon dioxide is going to be far down the list of worries. Wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure why you think nuclear plants would melt down as fossil fuels get consumed. (Am I reading that wrong???)

    Grover

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  • Thu, Dec 09, 2021 - 11:20pm

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    Phred said:

    There is no doubt that most current nuclear plants would melt down without a constant external electricity supply. The older the refueling the greater the residual heat and the faster the meltdown. That is actually planned for by having a slag pool below the core.  Not clear if the thinking goes beyond that point.

    Onsite pool storage of fuel rods also needs pumped water. Spaced air cooling would mitigate that.

    But all are tigers by the tail and will bite you after any blackout.

    And of course they are prime targets for destruction by missiles or sabotage. It amounts to the Dirty Harry pointed gun, do you feel lucky?

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  • Fri, Dec 10, 2021 - 7:41am

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    Grover already answered your questions.

    Thanks Grover!

    Now, I don't have to bother with yet another "false narrative" by the "Cabal".

    Like David Icke said: " If you know the destination, you`ll know the route."

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  • Fri, Dec 10, 2021 - 9:34am

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    Dr. Heal Thyself!

    "One Ring to Rule them all, and in the Darkness bind them!"--TLOTR, JRR Tolkien.

    Cryptos are another "false narrative" and just another tool to control all the ignorant.

    Just like all of the "fiat currencies", they have zero intrinsic value, and are all propped- up by "blind faith" and speculation and built-in inflation.

    You only really own what you do have in hand or hard assets:

    Land, precious metals, food, water, shelter, and a means to defend them and life.

    The rest is pure delusion.

     

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  • Fri, Dec 10, 2021 - 10:47pm

    tinarock

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    Dr. Dutton

    While Listening to this video, Arthur, I started to wonder if this was some sort of Monty Python routine.

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  • Sat, Dec 11, 2021 - 3:47am

    Grover

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    Fairness

    For those of you who thought I was cruel to Mark_BC in post #247, here is a link to one of the exchanges we had on another thread. I can think of a couple of other such exchanges, but I don't want to try to find them using the frustrating PP search function. (I hope that gets fixed with the new software along with having a page that shows any user all threads that user commented on - along with recent activity on those threads. These 2 items used to be in the software a couple of iterations ago.)

    To be fair to Mark_BC, there are times when I genuinely appreciate his perspective and comments! If he applied his critical thinking to the climate change issue, we'd all be better off. Instead, he can't (or won't) address this issue with integrity because it must be such a deeply held belief. That's all I can ascertain.

    Here's the link to davefairtex's thread: https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/climate-change-its-not-about-climate/. It is currently 85 posts long. In post #70, Mark_BC was commenting about what I wrote in post #55. He never responded to my posts in that thread after that. It happened again in one of Chris' recent video threads. Same thing as I described in post #247 on this thread.

    There are too many threads that get created and just die an ignoble death due to neglect. Now that this thread is soon-to-disappear off the PP front page, it will have the same fate.

    Grover

    [Edited to include links to posts.]

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  • Sat, Dec 11, 2021 - 10:49am

    GBruno1600

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    A Monty Python routine?

    How so?

    Do you believe that War, Famine, Plagues, and Genocide are "comedic" or funny?

    Because that's all what's coming with the now impending collapse of the West.

    Those that fail to learn these dire lessons of history are always doomed to repeat them all until and unless they do finally do learn them, or just go extinct.

    I would call that ignorance to be more of a tragedy and not comedy.

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  • Sat, Dec 11, 2021 - 11:17am

    Mysterymet

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    I see where Tinarock is going with Monty Python

    When things are going poorly sometimes people use humor to try and lighten the mood. Sometimes called gallows humor, you see it a lot in the military while deployed. It IS a tragedy but comedy can help people cope with it.

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  • Sat, Dec 11, 2021 - 11:43am

    tinarock

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    Scripts

    I count 95 scripts on this page. Most appear to be coming from peakprosperity.

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  • Sat, Dec 11, 2021 - 11:45am

    GBruno1600

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    Dark humor?

    Perhaps, or "gallows humor" for those about to hit the beaches at Normandy?

    "Always look on the bright side of life!"-the song from their "Life of Brian".

    Yeah, ok.

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  • Sun, Dec 12, 2021 - 1:34am

    ajmitchell

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    Lack of connectedness with other people?

    Can the Peak Prosperity crowd help me with this question that's been on my mind.

    Mattias speaks about the root causes of a mass formation in that it occurs due to a lack of connectedness and social bonds with other people.

    There are studies, also from Clinical Physiologists, that claim that conspiracy theorists suffer from the same issues.

    They are accusing us of what they do.

    • How to explain that one away?

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  • Sun, Dec 12, 2021 - 3:11pm

    Hladini

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    There is a climate emergency.....

    .... it's just not what we think it is and it's way, way worse than we can imagine.  It's not Co2.  It's the Sun and space weather combined with our weakening magnetosphere and the on coming galactic sheet.  Our weather is incredibly complicated and notoriously unstable.  Pollution is not the operative factor.

    The climate models from the IPCC are just like that model from NIST:  a touted model not subject to peer review because the data is a secret.  That's right, as far as NIST is concerned to release the data from their model that shows how an office building (WTC 7) fell down due to office fires alone for the first and only time in history would be a threat to public safety!!!  That is their official position.

    The climate scientists at the UN are doing the same thing.  Hiding their data so their models cannot be peer reviewed. ..... because those models would fail the peer review process just like the NIST situation.

    A close equivalent to Chris but on the subject of climate change is Ben Davidson and he put a warning video out yesterday similar to Chris' Alerts.  Below is a small 5 minute sample of what we're facing: a rapidly decreasing magnetosphere, which will trigger a magnetic excursion,  and it is imminent.

    Personally, I think everything has been a cover for the impending magnetic excursion. I highly recommend watching the 2019 Disaster Series and then the 2020 Disaster Series.  But here's the most recent 5 minute warning primer:





    I have a very good friend who has suddenly become completely contrary to my views in a very short period of time.  She got the Moderna vaccine early on around March 2020 before there could possibly be any analysis of how well it worked or if it didn't work.  She acted out of fear of getting the virus and believes Covid is extremely lethal and all the hospital patients have not been vaccinated.  She also believes the mainstream narrative that humans, pollution and Co2 are the climate change culprits even when exposed to valid alternative information and she knows innately that the "solution" cooked up by the same crowd will only hyperconsume the resources we have while not solving a damn thing.

    For example, did you know that you have to melt coal with quartz to make a solar panel?  How much energy does that take?

     

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  • Sun, Dec 12, 2021 - 5:57pm

    richcabot

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    backwards

    I think you mean melt quartz with coal.

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  • Fri, Dec 31, 2021 - 2:36pm

    Island girl

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    The lament of mass psychosis

    Speaks for itself

    https://jessicalexicus.medium.com/some-of-us-never-get-a-break-from-the-pandemic-a5d098935244

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  • Fri, Dec 31, 2021 - 3:41pm

    TrumanV

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    fair to say the lamenting mass-psychosis lady does not subscribe to PP

    Thanks for that--an extraordinary (or not) document of the times. A few things we can say for sure is that the writer (1) does not subscribe to/read anything on PP, FLCCC, or similar sites; (2) is the first on line to get vaccines for herself or her children, whose unmasked faces she has not seen for almost 2 years; (3) appears to have zero doubts about vaccine efficacy or safety; (4) knows little about early treatment and almost certainly disparages "horse paste"; and (5) would loudly cheer the rounding up and imprisonment of the vile and selfish unvaxxed and unboosted.

    What would it take to snap her out of her hypnosis/psychosis?

    a. Fauci, Gates, Wolensky, "Joe Biden," Tedros, Pfizer, Moderna, all admitting on the same day that the whole vaccine thing was a disaster from Day One and that they apologize? (Not gonna happen).

    b. Severe injury to herself or her children, 15 mins after getting jabbed? (We don't want to wish that on her or her kids, but would that do it? Maybe not, as we have seen videos of people with half their faces paralyzed like melting candles, or tweeting on the sudden death of a jabbed nephew, saying that they would get jabbed all over again.

    c. How about reading RFK Jr's book and fact-checking the well-documented allegations to see whether they are true? (Not going to happen; too much cognitive dissonance, and Elizabeth Warren wants to ban a somewhat similar book by Mercola, so RFK's misinformation bible must be bad, bad, bad...where's the Ronsanol?)

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