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This video explains why people you know seem to have lost their ability to reason or even be reasonable.

Mass Hysteria, or psychosis, is a very routine and well-documented part of human history.  It also describes well our current circumstances.

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The key questions are (1) is it deliberate or accidental and (2) either way, what can you do to avoid the worst effects of it all?  

Links:

COVID-19 and the Political Economy of Mass Hysteria

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7913136/

Dancing mania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania

MASS PSYCHOSIS – How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ILL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M

Dr. Fauci, Movie Star 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/movies/fauci-documentary.html

‘Fauci’ Earnings Mystery: No Info on Box Office Take for Gushing Documentary About COVID Czar
https://tennesseestar.com/2021/09/27/fauci-earnings-mystery-no-info-on-box-office-take-for-gushing-documentary-about-covid-czar/

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 8:46pm

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    One Jab To Rule Them All...

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    It's like the Twilight Zone...

    From my own perspective, living in the UK, there was mostly media silence around the early developments in south-east Asia. Number 10 was committed into doing nothing back in March 2020 - despite the apparent devastation in Italy. People caught the virus at race meetings, royals lost their sense of smell – I wondered who on earth was advising these people.... Critical thinkers were targeted & trolled. Then BoJo supposedly nearly died in hospital…. It all looked like a bad B-movie script.

    In summer, the narrative shifted towards scapegoating. People hiking in Wales, or broke hairdressers forced to open up in lockdown, were blamed for the pandemic - & the public bayed for blood (even members of my own family fell for the misplaced hysteria).

    Jab sceptics became the new scapegoats after that - even though it has become clear that the jabs aren't stopping transmission over here - with 15,000 new daily symptomatic cases in the vaccinated & rising. So now newspaper editors & nudge units promote cringeworthy public comments like this, which I saw on Sunday:

    "I thank the universe for the vaccine, which means I'm not in hospital, not seriously ill and not suffering scary symptoms like breathlessness - just at home watching TV. That is why it's worth having. It's like a seatbelt leaving you whiplash, but preventing you being flung through the windscreen and killed."

    The fact that a simple aspirin (amongst other things) can drastically reduce hospitalisations would indicate that the jabs are an unnecessary & dangerous scam. But it can't just be about government incompetence or racketeering - something else must be going on & even normies are starting to wake up now.

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 9:09pm

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    hail

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    A look behind the curtain...

    (I posted this on the part 2 portion, should have been here)

    This website will give you an idea how demented the vaxxed are against "the anti-vaxxers".   Some really sick people!

    https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 9:22pm

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    One Jab To Rule Them All… said:

    One example of mass hysteria from Wikipedia which struck me was:
    "The first Iraqi missile hitting Israel during the Persian Gulf War was believed to contain chemical or biological weapons. Though this was not the case, 40% of those in the vicinity of the blast reported breathing problems.......Additionally, early symptoms of those affected by MPI (Mass psychogenic illness) are difficult to differentiate from those actually exposed to the dangerous agent."

    After studying hypnotism, Scott Adams once said that he switches channels whenever they talk about serious illness - so imagine what 24/7  coverage of covid could do to the human psyche & immune system?

    Even worse, the constant gaslighting of the public & changing narrative U-turns - plus the trolling of anyone trying to question Establishment orthodoxy on public forums.

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 9:44pm

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    Island girl

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    How to enslave the world

    https://academyofideas.com/2021/09/the-big-lie-how-to-enslave-the-world/

    The Big Lie – How to Enslave the World

     

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 10:29pm

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    spotted turtle

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    Crazy dancers

    Weren't some of the episodes of the dancing mania attributed to ergot poisoning? Vague memory from a pathology class in the early 1980's. Moldy grains of rye caused deadly disease with hallucinations, muscle spasms, and convulsions.  Some danced from poisoning while their fellows danced from madness?

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 10:36pm

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    Timely curriculum

    My daughter is a high school junior.  In her school, her History and English classes closely coordinate.  They just finished reading The Crucible, which is of course, a play dramatizing the 1692 Salem Witch Trials - a famous example of mass hysteria.  I helped her edit her essay on it down to length last night.  She did a nice job of pointing out the role of the fearful environment in fomenting the event. The fear existed because they were trying to make a living surrounded by a vast wilderness they didn't understand, trying to farm poor, rocky soil,  and having to contend with Native Americans who knew the land and how to live off it, but had long ago realized the colonists were playing for keeps and had turned against them.  She also addressed how the power of the court and their strong tendencies to believe the accuser when it was one person's word against another even if the "evidence" was fantastical as well as to accuse people who tried to defend a family member of being a witch as well.  Her theory is that the courts did this to keep up appearances of power and perhaps because they felt they had to go along with the hysteria.

    Interesting tidbit: Anyone convicted could avoid death by confessing, but both the social stigma they would have to live with and their strong principles led 19 to choose to die (and 5 of them were men accused of being "wizards").

    The parallels of this event with today are striking.

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 10:58pm

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    Florida fines county $3.5 million for requiring proof of vaccination

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-fines-county-3-5-million-requiring-proof-vaccination-n1281390

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 11:28pm

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    MsSmith

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    Who else looked

    for subliminal messages in that set?  I didn't find any even after turning my laptop on it's side but tbh I've never been great at it anyway.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 12:00am

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    Yukonboy

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    I cannot see premium content here and I’m subscribed


    hi everyone can someone please help me and is anyone else having this issue? I cannot access premium content and I am subscribed. Please help. My email is [email protected]

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 12:15am

    DanBC

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    Paid but no access too

    Yes, there seems to be a few of us, use the contact page below.

    Could it be CANADIANS only are affected?

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 12:27am

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    Loulander said:

    Yes, I have been having this problem today also.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 1:31am

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    Musings on Language

    What is the difference between mass hysteria and mass psychosis? In this video, you seem to be using them interchangably. They seem very different to me. Leaving aside my concerns about adopting terminology from an approach that "others" those struggling with emotional difficulties, in part, with the labels that are assigned, there is a real need to have a way to describe this phenomena we are all witnessing.

    So in this video we have the words "mass hysteria" and "mass psychosis." When applied to this phenomenon, the word hysteria seems more apt because it implies a) it is temporary and can pass b) it is rooted in fear coming from external sources/ not an inherant problem within the person and c) retains a sense of social context that the "hysteria" exists between individuals, not just within a single person.

    "Mass psychosis," on the other hand, implies a) that it is permanent, b) that there's something wrong or broken within the individual that cannot be fixed and c) loses the sense of social context because the word "psychosis" implies that a bunch of individuals can't use their minds (vs something overcoming a group of people).

    To me they land very differently. The latter is more shocking, more bleak. And given that you are speaking to an audinece already affected by too many shocks, it's not clear why you are inclined to use the heavier-handed language to describe this. I appreciated hearing both terms this time, instead of just "mass psychosis." Personally I think the best term would be something like "shock induced terror." Because it clearly names the source of the difficulty as being outside the individual. And everyone knows how hard it is to think when we are terrified. That is not a "mental illness," that is how our systems are wired with fight/flight/freeze. We are eventually able to regain the ability to think when the thing causing the fear stops.

    And I raise the point because in times like these when it is incredibly hard for a lot of people to see their way forward, maybe they just lost their job due to a vax mandate that they wouldn't comply with, maybe they are watching their loved ones experience vax adverse events but their loved ones are in denial it's the vax and won't hear anything about treatment for vax injuries, maybe they have been excluded from an important family event or treated badly after going because they weren't vaxxed. Even those of us not caught in the "mass whatever-it-is" are still affected by suddenly having the pieces of the chess board all moved around and we aren't in line where we were accustomed to being in line before.

    And so when it comes to talking about this subject- which is important to talk about! To me it matters what language is used, because one term "mass hysteria" leaves the door open to there being a way through, that it could pass in time once conditions that created it change. And the other "mass psychosis" closes that door, suggesting that the changes within our loved ones are there to stay and we just have to learn to live with it.

    And honestly, that was the same message that the mental health system gave to me at age 13 saying because of my anxiety disorder I would be on drugs the rest of my life.  They consider the pain and emotional damage permanent fixtures, even if they originated in some kind of trauma, that must be worked around or drugged. But I can tell you that the mind has a tremendous capacity to heal. There is far more fluidity than the boundaries of the labels would imply. I stopped taking those drugs almost 10 years ago, shortly after watching the Crash Course, in part because I didn't want to go through whatever was coming in withdrawal from drugs that would eventually run out. I've learned to manage my anxiety in other ways.

    And my mind works, now, in ways I couldn't have imagined while I was on the drugs. Sure, certain days or periods of time are harder than others. But I have tons of emotional connection and support and my mind gets clearer and clearer as I heal the hurts. I subscribe to the idea that you gotta feel it to heal it within the context of tried and true methods like EMDR, somatic release, meditation, sound therapy, NET and bodywork.

    Please consider the possibility that the idea that they are permanent or that the mind can't heal (menticide) is part of the "old story" that we are aiming to shed, part of the worldview that denies IVM for covid, fasting for obesity, etc... You are so clear in these other areas, please consider how else this phenomenon can be described. It may seem like a sublte thing, but making the internal shift from "something is broken in me" to "something needs to change around here" is a tremendous shift back into our own autonomy and empowerment. Especially so, for those caught in the "mass whatever-it-is" because it will be hardest for them to see where they have been deceived but are in the most need of a door being open to there being a way through.

     

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 6:58am

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    survey source

    Chris lobbed a lot of accusations based on a survey in which liberals estimated the COVID case hospitalization rate at ~ 50%.  I don't see a link to that particular research, and I'm not easily finding it.  I'd be interested in digging deeper, if only to see how everyone did on all the posed questions.  Could someone please provide a link?

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 7:23am

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    hey josh

    Did I miss your response on the under-reporting of SAE's in VAERS?  I was really looking forward to it.  If you made one, and I missed it, I apologize.  Although I did make an effort to look several times.

    On today's topic, I have a question for you liberals.  (This, coming from someone who actually contributed to Mr Obama's campaign in 2008.  Does this make me a liberal today?  Hahaha.  No.  That's so 2008.)

    Right, so based on the IFR of COVID, and your own personal situation, what is your assessment - let's assume you were unvaxxed - of your annual mortality risk from COVID19?  Let's assume the attack rate was 20% per year.

    Here's something to get you started:

    https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

    And then you might want to factor in activity:

    https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/early/2021/04/07/bjsports-2021-104080.full.pdf

    And then perhaps any obesity issues - or lack thereof:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(21)00089-9/fulltext#coronavirus-linkback-header

    I get the sense you know how to write code.  Maybe - you can fix this dreadful lack of understanding among your "liberal" friends by coming up with a calculator!

    [By the way, "conservatives" aren't all that much better than "liberals" - most people woefully overestimate their own vulnerability.  You could help "conservatives" too with your calculator.  Presumably human life is valuable regardless of party affiliation.  Right?]

    After about a minute of googling, I ran across this.

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 8:28am

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    Stackable Chairs

    Stackable chairs, fake logo, fake whitehouse, fake news, fake president

    Almost like the cabal of authoritarians ran out of money to prop up and pretend the Potemkin of the Potomac is real or Uncle Joe is really in charge.

    The facade is crumbling.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 8:46am

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    And here's the pertinent section Josh

    Dave wrote:

    After about a minute of googling, I ran across this.

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/

    For Joshua, here's what Chris was referencing (pulled out of the link above)

    The U.S. public is also deeply misinformed about the severity of the virus for the average infected person. In December, we asked, “What percentage of people who have been infected by the coronavirus needed to be hospitalized?”

    The correct answer is not precisely known, but it is highly likely to be between 1% and 5% according to the best available estimates, and it is unlikely to be much higher or lower. We discuss the data and logic behind this conclusion in the appendix.

    Less than one in five U.S. adults (18%) give a correct answer of between 1 and 5%. Many adults (35%) say that at least half of infected people need hospitalization. If that were true, the millions of resulting patients would have overwhelmed hospitals throughout the pandemic.

    Democrats are much more likely than Republicans to overestimate this harm. Forty-one percent of Democrats and 28% of Republicans answered that half or more of those infected by COVID-19 need to be hospitalized. Republicans were also far more likely to get the correct answer, with 26% correctly identifying the risk compared to just 10% of Democrats.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 9:01am

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    not Canada-specific

    I'm in Canada and I am on the premium site fine right now. But this occasionally being locked out of the premium content has been a recurring site problem for several months now. I solve it by either removing my PP cookies or closing my browser and rebooting.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 9:07am

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    Totalitarian societies are brittle

    This caught my eye: "...(the fact) that a young rock band sparked a movement that toppled the totalitarian system in Czechoslovakia unveils an important but underappreciated characteristic of this type of political system: despite appearances, it is by its nature weak, brittle, and in need of constant infusions of fear and lies in order to prevent it from collapsing. This weakness is why totalitarian regimes constantly slander and persecute anyone, even harmless musicians, who engage in even a modest attempt to live within the truth. For truth is the primary enemy of totalitarianism as it erodes the foundation of lies upon which it is built. "

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 9:07am

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    Terminator said:

    Maybe it is all China led after all, most of the props including the stackable chairs in that fake studio originate from it for sure.

    I even start to think that muttering, defunct robot attempting autocue reading is engineered by the Great People of China. It once met the original quality standards.

    Remains the question who ordered Instant POTUS-in-a-box from alibaba.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 9:13am

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    Adding to the land of confusion

    The mileage on Dr. Campbell's videos vary. However this piece on the "debunking of Ivermectin" by BBC was music to my ears. Debunking the debunkers with data and yes, they were misleading indeed.





    This BBC "study" is not by accident, this is driven by an agenda. There is no reason in the world why a decent scientist and/or journalist would ignore evidence or even the numerous signals just to promote a certain narrative. Even if you would believe you would do it for the good of humanity (health), it is inexcusable. Still it keeps happening.

     

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 9:24am

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    Viruses pay no attention politics

    Talking about liberals as it relates to vaccines is a needless complication of the issue.

    I am a lifetime semi-conservative who is vaccinated.  I made the choice rationally, ignoring the politics that got so ludicrously attached to this debate.

    From my perspective, it’s a simple risk/benefit analysis.  I choose to be vaccinated and include dtsnbm 2 in my arsenal.

    I know grandparents who have never met their 1 year old granddaughter because they will not get vaccinated.  My sister-in-law does not see her mother because she will not get vaccinated.

    In order to give blood today, I have to be willing to lay next to a person who is more than likely unmasked and possibly unvaccinated.  The person standing over me, drawing blood may also be unvaccinated and may choose a shield, instead of a mask.  Is a surgeon allowed to choose a shield over a mask, when in the operating theatre?

    Choosing to limit exposure to unvaccinated people can be a rational choice.  At least it is, for virtually everyone I talk to.

    If it offends unvaccinated people, that some vaccinated people make a rational choice to steer clear of them, then perhaps the unvaccinated should consider the reality that their vaccination choice can also impact the health of others.

    It’s not personal.  It’s not about freedom.  It’s about a nasty virus.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 9:26am

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    agree with Terminator

    He did a great job on that, and the comments reflect it - has lots of followers on all "sides" of the V/UV debate. I respect him and his efforts, and feel his pain -- in many instances he seems to see the lies and insanity and it upsets him. That he keeps posting and does not descend into anything that would get him censored is a good thing. He influences many many people.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 9:46am

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    Last-Man-Standing Disease

    I clearly recall a phone conversation with Mike Ruppert back around 2005.  We discussed how crises in environment, the economy and energy would eventually be pushed through a funnel where they would ultimately jam up.  I think we've reached that point.  At the time I noted that humans in the future will probably define us by our denial.

    Perhaps there is a subconscious collective realization that we're now jammed in the funnel (aka "fucked").   Could mass psychosis be a symptom of our denial?  Is it possible that the government, news media and even tradespeople who build studio sets are victims of the mass psychosis as well?  Will some subconsciously - or consciously - choose the path that Richard Heinberg refers to as "last man standing"?

    "One of the options discussed by Heinberg in his latest book is the “Last Man Standing” scenario, in which the powerful (most often the ultra-wealthy and politically connected within American society and societies of other nations) will use their assets to promote their own survival at the expense of everyone else."

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 10:14am

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    Richard Heinberg scenario

    Could mass psychosis be a symptom of our denial? Is it possible that the government, news media and even tradespeople who build studio sets are victims of the mass psychosis as well? Will some subconsciously - or consciously - choose the path that Richard Heinberg refers to as "last man standing"?

    "One of the options discussed by Heinberg in his latest book is the “Last Man Standing” scenario, in which the powerful (most often the ultra-wealthy and politically connected within American society and societies of other nations) will use their assets to promote their own survival at the expense of everyone else."

    Well, possibly. But they have to relay this messages out of their bunkers since I hope that there will be still enough sane people waiting outside with pitchforks...

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 10:15am

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    brushhog said:

     

    It’s not personal.  It’s not about freedom.  It’s about a nasty virus.

    I have no problem with vaccinated people CHOOSING to associate or not associate with whomever they want. THATS HOW FREEDOM WORKS. And, YES, it certainly IS about freedom.

    If you want the freedom to associate with or shun whomever you want, then I want the freedom to refuse to put something in my body that I do not trust or want. We all get to make our own choices in a free society.

    What you dont get to do is force everyone else to work their lives around your choices. If you dont want to sit next to me because I havent been vaccinated, then YOU have to move...don't try to make me move to accommodate you. Im not going to wear a mask, which does nothing, in order to appease your irrationality.

    You have the freedom to go somewhere else. In other words you may shun me all you want by removing yourself from my presence. But dont think you are going to have ME removed from yours. THAT is the difference between freedom and tyranny, the difference between us living in harmony, or coming to blows.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 11:02am

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    My attempt to speak up

    I'm very aware of mass sycosis here in Washington State with Portland just across the river from me. I have decided to stop wearing my mask when I go shopping.  Most stores let me but I'm lonely in a sea of mask wearers. So I started a website, www.facethemask.weebly.com.

    My plan is to pass out the web address to people who wear there magic talismans below the nose. I figure they may be more ready to wake up and join me in some peaceful non-compliance.

    Hopefully I represented Chris well as he is one of my experts that I feature.

    Would some of you please take a gander at my site and give me any feedback you may have on the content (I'll have my editor catch all the grammar and spelling mistakes). I'm almost done with it but need some beta readers.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 11:19am

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    Do I know anybody who's gone crazy? DO I EVER !

    Theme music:





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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 11:26am

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    Viruses pay no attention politics ... but people do

    Hi Les,

    "Choosing to limit exposure to unvaccinated people can be a rational choice.  At least it is, for virtually everyone I talk to."

    Yes, it could be. If someone was concerned about the virus and coming in contact with people who are possible carriers, that someone could choose to distance from such people. If it was a rational decision, he/she would have to distance for ALL people, as we now know that any person regardless of their participation in the mRNA experiment can carry the virus, get infected, and pass infection to others.

    So if such person chooses to distance only  from 'unvaccinated' that is not a rational choice.

    When someone says "I'm vaccinated, you are not, stay away from me", basic logic tells me:

    - he/she doesn't think that vaccine works

    - he/she is OK with segregation in society as long as he/she is in the privileged class

    - he/she is OK with imposing inconvenience/hardship on others as long as it is to his/her benefit

     

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 12:14pm

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    He's doing his routine again

     If it was a rational decision, he/she would have to distance for ALLpeople, as we now know that any person regardless of their participation in the mRNA experiment can carry the virus, get infected, and pass infection to others

    You mean as YOU, ME, and the many contributing people here know. Les doesnt know, even though he has been told many times and directed to studies, threads, data, news articles , etc, etc by well meaning posters who have tried to educate him.

    He takes no part in those discussions, completely ignores the data and talking points that people on this site have compiled through painstaking research and discussion, then he blunders in about once a month and makes curiously identical statements which presume all of the mainstream talking points [ while ignoring all the information compiled by the afore-mentioned contributors ].

    It happens like clock-work. In fact I remember Les popping up about a month or so ago and doing the same routine. He makes a post which off-handedly presumes all of the mainstream talking points. He ignores the pages of discussion about anti-body dependent enhancement, the data regarding outbreaks among the vaxxed in Israel, the UK, and most recently Taiwan.

    Guys like DaveFairtex, Jim H, and so many others have spent alot of effort researching these things. And for Les to consistently show up at intervals, completely dismiss everything that has been established and discussed here, and vomit those debunked mainstream talking points...is frankly, an insult to the people here.

    The way it is presented is always the same which makes me suspect that Les knows exactly what he is doing.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 12:22pm

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    RoseHip said:

     

    LesPhelps you said

    "Choosing to limit exposure to unvaccinated people can be a rational choice.  At least it is, for virtually everyone I talk to.

    If it offends unvaccinated people, that some vaccinated people make a rational choice to steer clear of them, then perhaps the unvaccinated should consider the reality that their vaccination choice can also impact the health of others."

    Please do say more, what is that rational choice/story to steer clear of just one type of person, from the vaccinated person's perspective? I'm really quite curious about how that story is told and why it is you're saying it is rational?  Doesn't the decision to vax or not, in both examples include impacting the health of others? All choices made across the spectrum of life, impact health of others, not just vaccines. Are you saying you have access into knowledge or data where non vaccinated people disproportionately impact the health of all others negatively, or is it just vaccinated people?  I'm quite confused about what your saying here. Please clarify.

     

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 12:38pm

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    Perhaps Les, but ...

    Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_40

    This official UK government report suggests that once your second dose is a few months in the rear view mirror, what you have effectively done is protect yourself (by significantly reducing your risk of hospitalization and death while increasing the risk for others (by increasing your risk that you will get infected transmit the disease through a mild case, but with high viral load in the nasal passages).  The second table in this article nicely summarizes the relative risks of infection, hospitalization and death for the vaxxed and unvaxxed by age group.  Note that for people from 40 to 79, the risk of infection is 50-85% higher for the vaccinated. Note that older groups were vaccinated earlier, so their protection from infection waned first.  The 30 somethings just progressed to negative protection this week.  The vaccine still offers significant protection from hospitalization and death, but his has been declining slowly for middle aged groups and more quickly for elders.

    This suggests that choosing to get vaccinated protects you, but puts others at risk, especially the unvaccinated whether they choose not to get vaccinated or are unable to.  Also at risk are those that do produce a significant or even modestly durable immune response from the vaccine.  Once this is widely known, choosing vaccination becomes a selfish act.  It also totally undermines the logic of vaccine mandates.  It also suggests that you should be more wary of the vaccinated whose second dose was months ago than you should be of the unvaccinated.

    Here is the link to the UK NHS weekly reports.  If you peruse recent reports, you'll see that the trend has been towards lesser protection for the vaccinated for infection, hospitalization and death.  The trend has been strongest in terms of infection protection going strongly negative for younger and younger age brackets as well as protection from hospitalization and death decreasing for elders.

    The United States has (intentionally?) not collected the data as the UK has.  But why should we assume it's any different here?

    Finally, just what does this trend towards negative protection say about vaccines as drivers of immune escape?  This should be a top priority in the research community, but it is not.

    I thank you Les for inspiring me to put together what I hope is a concise and well-written comment on the implications of the UK data: That the decision to be vaccinated from this point forward is essentially a selfish decision which protects the person who takes the vaccine (at least in the short term) while increasing the risk for others.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 1:14pm

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    Great post yagasjai

    I totally agree that these effects can be temporary and those wish the clarity of mind and the will can heal themselves.

    However, the longer this goes on and the more intense it is, the more people will sink so deep that they are unlikely to have either the clarity or the will.  I think we need to accept that some, perhaps many will be permanently disabled by this mass hysteria.  For them, it will be psychosis.

    I have one family member with a history of mental illness who was functioning reasonably well at the basic life logistics level until the summer of 2020.  This person, however, even back then, had a very difficult time talking about emotions, past actions, etc.  It has gotten much worse in the past year with any reference to what might be actually going on for her even very indirect or just an environmental cue triggering so much anxiety that she is in total denial.  Her level of function has declined to the point where she cannot hold down a job or hold a conversation about anything that isn't light and fun or simple logistics.

    Anything is possible, but I would put the odds of her recovering her former level of functionality quite low.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 2:15pm

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    Kathy said:

    Chances are the unvaxxed individual is safer to be around.

    They either have natural immunity or they are on alert for Covid symptoms and will stay home when sick.  The vaxxed individual will be more likely to take a Tylenol for the weird headache and go to work and breath all over you.

    If I had a choice of healthcare providers, the first choice would be those with natural immunity, don’t care about vaccination status, second choice would be an unvaxxed individual and the last person I would want providing me care would be a vaxxed individual.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 2:21pm

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    risk assessment

    Hey Les.  I'm just curious.  What's your own personal risk assessment, assuming you were unvaccinated, of dying from COVID in a given year?  Given your BMI, your weekly activity level, and your current vitamin D status (in ng/ml)?  And make sure to add in the protection from eating that plant-based diet too.

    Feel free to add in any reductions for early outpatient treatments you plan on applying at symptom onset.

    And assume - just for fun - that wearing masks and "avoiding unvaxxed people at all costs" won't affect the (estimated) 20%/year attack rate.

    Do you have a 10%/year mortality risk?  1%?  0.01%?

    I personally did the math a while back.  It was like 3/100,000.  Cancer is a bigger risk for me than COVID by about 80x.  Heck.  An accident is 20x more worrisome.

    But that's me.  If you see your annual mortality risk at 10%, then I totally get your viewpoint.

    [me: BMI=24, activity="meeting guidelines", vitamin D=51 ng/ml, early treatment ~95% reduction in mortality risk using 6 different compounds, COVID19 attack rate = 20%/year]

    So yeah.  Cancer risk = 263/100,000.  Heart disease = 190/100,000.  COVID19 = 3/100,000.  Accident risk = 59/100,000.

    We really need that calculator to educate everyone about risk.  I wish we had a clever engineer that could write the code for it.  Is there one in the house?

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 2:28pm

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    attn Liberals / Dems / Progressives: the injection won't save you from Trump

    I started using Twitter in early 2016. Shortly after the election, I posted some negative comments about Trump. A couple high-profile influencers liked and retweeted a few of my posts. Then they followed me. And,  sometimes, when I was arguing with a Trump supporter, these influencers would swoop in out of nowhere with a fact that supported my claim. I thought these things were odd because I was a noob with fewer than 50 followers, my posts were emotive not revelatory, and stuff like that never happened before the election.

    One of those influencers was Bill Palmer, another was Scott Dworkin. I noticed the blog site The Palmer Report seemed to get some inside info, even scooping MSM on occasion. Both Palmer and Dworkin have become rabid pro-vaxxers, as are many of those who strongly oppose(d) Trump. 

    When Mueller announced, in March 2019, that he wasn't moving ahead with any charges, I immediately realized the Dems had been played, bigly. TPTB wanted Trump in office to further their larger plan. 

    Part of that plan seems to have been to greatly increase the fraction of adults who use social media to get their news, then share their opinions with their followers. It created a giant ecosphere of influencers at different levels, like an electronic Occupy Wall Street ring of echoing chants.

    Another part of that plan was to scare liberals and Democrats into believing that Trump was the biggest (or only) threat to democracy. This crowd, which once included me, came to see Trump as the enemy of progressive values: the environment, universal healthcare, science, technology, Western alliances, NATO, global trade, free and fair elections. MSM constructed an elaborate lie that Trump was a would-be tyrant, then they positioned themselves, and the intelligence community, as our saviors. (Problem, reaction, solution.)

    This anti-Trump psychosis blinded them to the real threat of being used as guinea pigs in a Nazi-style medical experiment. It made them accept censorship and propaganda. It made them unable to see they were becoming intolerant to others. They fell into the carefully laid trap of trusting their lives to pseudoscience (snake oil), while rejecting actual science. They're now ready to accept, and promote, corporate fascism, as long as the billionaire CEOs *promise* to protect the environment. Which they *say* they will do, starting *right after* the fascist takeover ; )

    What made me change my mind? Realizing I had been lied to.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 3:05pm

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    I’m still processing your post

    What I think I read is you perceive that Trump and  Trump Derangement Syndrome (for lack of a better term) was an orchestrated nudge to get us closer to totalitarianism.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 3:42pm

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    Trump the oligarch?

    I can't think of a single moment from 2016-2020 that felt like Trump was part of the oligarchy's plan for anything. The election night meltdown, Disneys Hilary effigy in the Hall of presidents conveniently fitted with a blonde wig to turn it into "Trump", the steele dossier, FBI spying, Democrat impeachments, stonewalling, crying, pissing and moaning, Republican turncoats and leaks just to name a few. Given what we're seeing today from a disciplined conspiracy effort, where could you have any notion left that Trump was a part of that plan?

    He was a firebreak if anything. Definitely not part of the plan. He was a throwaway, a joke, a narcissistic huckster. But his ego (from what probably started as a whimsical venture) was bruised when the MSM made fun of him. So what was supposed to be a joke campaign for the Dems to win an easy victory turned into a hilarious montage of bewildered and distraught political hacks melting down in Nov 2016. Trump, a part of anyones plan. Not a chance in hell no matter what you tell yourself to sleep at night the swamp was not eager to be drained.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 4:26pm

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    Brookings article

    I found this conclusion in the article to be amusing:

    We believe the economy will continue to struggle until a vaccine becomes widely distributed. COVID-19 eradication has not occurred in any large-developed country, most of which are dealing with high levels of infection.

    Do the authors not know that a majority of those infected have been vaccinated and that it only makes sense that they were infected by the vaccinated since birds of a feather flock together. It should be pointed out that one of the authors is the Chief Investment Officer of an income fund. Perhaps she doesn't have the time to sift through the data...

    P.S. Another "amusing" quote from the article:

    Apparently, most workers cannot perform their jobs entirely from home.

    You think so?! Maybe these authors don't know anyone who actually does real work.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 5:51pm

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    Totalitarian Police State (Formerly Known As Australia) Building Quarantine Camps





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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 6:45pm

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    JoshuaGreen said:

    Thanks for providing the link to the survey.  (Yes, it probably showed up in my search results, but it's rather old and the title doesn't suggest that it's about a survey or poll.)  I have some quick thoughts on the material -- and Chris's presentation of it -- but I'll save that for a later comment once I've had time to more fully review it.

    I do want to respond to your other comments.

    You asked if I had responded regarding VAERS undercounting in the previous thread.  I did respond to one such post on that topic in #204, in which I looked at two different estimates for the rate of anaphylaxis.  You can go there and see if you agree with what I wrote; of course, that was just one study.

    Alas, by then multiple people had accused me of hijacking the thread, and though I disagree with that charge it didn't seem that I could usefully respond to it without seemingly strengthening it.  Thus, after writing the above I wasn't really inclined to return to that thread, and now (after looking up the number for the above) that I see some other charges that have been leveled I'm not too upset with that decision.  Had I been notified of comments directed at me then maybe I would have responded, but that doesn't seem to be how this site operates.

    My personal risk from COVID never seemed that high.  However, that wasn't my only concern, as I'd also prefer not to be a link in a chain to someone who is at risk.  The question we all have to ask ourselves -- both individually and as a society -- is what steps we're willing to take to reduce those risks.  I always figured that masks were cheap while required distancing was more expensive, so I was happy when we were able to give up on much of the latter.  I was also happy to get vaccinated back in March-April (and at the time it really looked like vaccination was knocking this out), but my personal risk calculations didn't lead me to "fight" for appointments (as was common before then).

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 6:53pm

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    This has all been a hypochondriacs wet dream.

    This whole "pandemic" thing has been a hypochondriacs dream. Perfectly normal people who have been exposing the lies of the elites for a decade or more are fully onboard with all the worst of the fear mongering and rediculous responses to the "pandemic".

    This situation has also increased the number of hypochondriacs amongst us ten fold. So many previously sane people can imagine being in public without a mask and are disinfecting everything and themselves on a regular basis.

    All of this only serves to make us all less healthy and more prone to sickness.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 6:59pm

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    time to stop fighting the last war (Left vs Right)

    Trump had no idea he was being used -- his promoting hydroxychloroquine threw a big wrench in the deep state plot.

    I've come to accept that our elections are mostly political theater. Trump was very good at making libs/Dems angry. And MSM bent over backward to make sure we all new every divisive thing he ever did or said; they used him to push people's buttons. The plan was to divide and conquer, force people to pick a team, then keep each side fighting a constant battle. Hillary would have split the country differently -- GOP aligning with independents. Forcing independents to ally with Dems created a more cohesive suicide pact. If they get to 70% they can exclude the remaining 30% (as we're seeing in LA, SF, NYC).

    I didn't vote for Trump, but I've become good friends with many people who did. We're ALL tired of being looked down upon, by the sociopaths in DC, who use our tax dollars to poison us.

     

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 7:00pm

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    JoshuaGreen said:

    Thanks for providing the link and excerpt.  As I admitted above, it was probably somewhere in my search results, but its age and title prevented me from following that particular link.  I've already glanced at it and have some opinions, but I'll give it a good read.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 7:10pm

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    anninvancouver said:

    I also don't understand how geopolitics overlays/interacts with the elite's plans. Although governments are anything but democratic, there appear to be competitions among geopolitical players (e.g., Russia/China, India/?? and the western factions). Is that just an illusion?

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 8:07pm

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    Transhumanism

    I doubt the hoi polloi will have access to the enhancements. It will only be for the elites at huge costs.

    I can't believe this is coming out in line with the lack of early treatment for covid.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 8:53pm

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    mass psychosis

    I am an Australian, and finding it hard to find blogs, podcasts etc in the vein of Peak Prosperity. Does anyone know of good truth sites. Truth is what i am interested in.

    Speaking of mass psychosis. A friend yesterday, in her attempt to convince me to fall in line with her and her vaccinated cohorts, told me her two single sons, in their 30's, who are vaccinated, will, in the future, be only dating and having sex with vaccinated women.

    Knowing them as I do, I found this hilarious. And called her on it. Can't you imagine it at the heat of the moment, pants down....show me your vaccine passport. Maybe Tinder will be requiring vaccine status. So time for an alternative dating site for the unvaccinated.

     

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 9:05pm

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    "I'm vaccinated and you should be too." BITE ME!

    Usually try to be restrained, but had enough of the sanctimonious, entitled vaxxed sh*ts demanding I comply with whatever they decide. Where does it end?

    Imposing an untried, no control group, no Phase III trial,  never animal tested concoction on the public is perfectly OK just so you feel better? Do you or your vaxxed buddies currently take any supplements/medications to prevent contracting the disease?  Why not? It's not a choice of jab or nothing; it's about PREVENTION.

    Group of friends 60yo> who like to travel took the jab. Out of 5 couples, two of the women suddenly developed heart arrthymias. Never had it before. So that's 20% already have issues within 6 months of jab.

    I have the right to protect myself from the possibility of PERMANENT disability from this witches' brew despite the fact you're uncomfortable. If you're so confident in the vaccine, and have had your two doses and possible booster, and wear the muzzle then YOU SHOULD BE PROTECTED according to CNN.  If half-way truthful, you should only have a mild case and not be hospitalized, then what I or anyone else does is NONE OF YOUR CONCERN!!!

    BTW, you do understand that animals contract C-v including dogs and cats.  (Documented in animals- San Diego and Atlanta zoos' gorillas caught it from vaxxed keepers. Look it up.) Scared enough to  euthanize Fluffy to protect yourself? Remember Dr. F and the like pedaled "the wet market; it's from bats" narrative a while. Since even wild animals are reservoirs, you can't fix it with treating humans.

    "It's about a nasty virus." Yes it is "nasty," the lies being told. Now it's about genocide through hospitals to thin the herd. Between blocking surgeries for unvaxxed, turning away traumas/ heart attacks that are treatable,  and shutting down hospitals with firing staff....the Nazis would be proud.

    Feb '21 they murdered my sibling through the current hospital protocols when they failed to recognize a pneumothorax with pnuemonia and delayed treatment. Wound up putting them on a vent and it magically became C-v. (This person already had lung issues due to autoimmune disease.) Left them in ER for 14> hours, then left them alone in the room to "limit our staff's exposure." Didn't discover the lung hole until person's sats crashed on post intubation x-ray...  guess they don't know how to use a stethoscope or they were "limiting their contact."

    At exactly 30 days, declared sibling braindead - without a single test. Protested and got the medical folks to stop sedation, run tests (all normal), and a miracle occurred- woke up! Then had to fight to start dialysis even though in renal failure. Pulled off gallon of fluids every other day. Finally dragged on long enough sib died of secondary infections. These are the people you trust?

    If the young medical people are such sniveling cowards as they "don't want to be exposed," then quit. I spent 27 years in medicine and waded into TB, whooping cough, flesh eating bacteria, anthrax, etc.  Treated AIDS patients from 1982 without gloves, gowns, or masks because "we don't want to stigmatize them." I survived.

    If you're terrified of those ignorant unvaxxed, unwashed masses then by all means, YOU CAN STAY HOME!

    Oh, and your retarded comments about no mask people or those silly face shields... spent a lot of time working in ICUs and surgery. The purpose of both is to keep chunks of tissue, pus, etc. from flying into the nose/mouth of the wearer. It doesn't protect anyone else. If you get splatted, you immediately wash and change it to lower load exposure.  Cotton, nylon, or paper masks are not Star-trek technology or enchanted talismen that magically block airborne virus particles. The only things that do what you require is Level IV biohazard lab suits with air lines. You and me ain't got one.

    I've been recently battling this same BS with family over Thanksgiving with demands everyone take a C-v test for the pregnant already vaccinated person. She is not hosting the event. So the vaxxed parents with unvaxxed small kids attending daycare demand compliance. Here's the irony- Of the vaxxed in the family, three have caught C-v.

    If it's your house, you set the rules. If it's someone else's house, you're uncomfortable- STAY HOME. Otherwise just piss off!

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 9:54pm

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    risk, and undercounting

    Josh-

    Thanks for the pointer to reply #204.

    There's a specific reason I asked you to quantify your own risk assessment for COVID.  I wanted you to be part of an experiment to see if "liberals" come up with numbers that are wildly off base, vs "conservatives" that (presumably) come up with numerical risk assessments that are less wildly off base.

    I still hope I can convince you to play along, and come up with a numerical assessment.  ("Not that high" isn't numerical).  As an engineer, I like numbers far more than these weasely subjective measures, so I can compare one set of numbers with another set of numbers to come up with "risk assessment in context."  Comparing my annual cancer mortality risk with my COVID mortality risk is one example.

    I am still hoping that you'll do me the favor of coming up with a numerical risk assessment for yourself.  Just to humor me maybe?

    As for "taking the shot to save grandma" - it doesn't do that.  Even Old Doc Fauci last year was very clear: "the vaccine prevents severe disease."  The shot is non-sterilizing.  Heck.  It doesn't even provide an all-cause mortality benefit, as we saw from the Pfizer trial.  See page 12 in the trial supplement, below:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.supplementary-material

    So while its very nice you "don't want to be part of the chain", the shot wasn't designed to do this.  It was designed to protect against severe disease.

    One good way to avoid being "part of the chain" is to use substances that reduce your chances of coming up positive.  Like all those healthcare workers that took ivermectin as prophylaxis.  In addition, the nasal irrigation, and the gargles too.  Those things really work - if your goal is to "save grandma" these are your best bets.  High vitamin D levels help.  Apparently, so does melatonin.  One particular HIV PREP medicine does this too.  Who knows why.

    Of course, the best way to avoid being "part of the chain" (and save grandma) is to self-isolate when you have symptoms.   The vast majority of transmission happens from symptomatic people.  So if you want to "save grandma", don't be running around when symptomatic.  Just practicing self-isolation (according to the study below) will reduce transmission by 97%.  That's better than any claimed vaccine efficacy.  "Stay home when symptomatic."

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102

    As for undercounting - you didn't address the fact that the CDC has what appears to be some pretty egregious vaccine misinformation (in favor of the shots, of course) pasted all over its front page, which they have yet to update, some 10 months later.

    How many other lies have they kept on their front page?  I don't have time to track them all down.  But this lie is a smoking gun.  We can both agree, I hope, that the anaphylaxis rate isn't what the CDC says it is on the front page of its COVID19 vaccination website.

    Why do you think they haven't corrected this horrific bit of misinformation?

    As for my specific claim that this applies more generally - I stand by this assessment.  The cohort getting early vaccination was a mix of healthcare workers (which demographically match the people in the study I referenced) and old people.  So if 50% of the early vaccinees were healthcare workers, that's still a 30x undercount rate.

    VAERS undercounts far more than a survey that asks everyone what happened to them.  That bit of common sense (soliciting a response, vs placing a series of barriers between the person, and them describing their experience) is quantified by that study.

    60x undercount rate.  Or maybe only 30.  That's still ... monstrous.  With - what - 16k deaths reported, multiplied by 30x undercount, that's almost 500k deaths.

    Then if we add in risk reduction from early treatment - the shots would seem to be a terrible risk/benefit trade off for most people.

    "Stay home when sick" = save grandma.

    "early treatment" + reasonable BMI + activity + supplements = avoid death yourself.

     

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 11:09pm

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    Mrs Smith

    You'll probably not see this but you said

    Who else looked for subliminal messages in that set?  I didn't find any even after turning my laptop on it's side but tbh I've never been great at it anyway.

    I have a thing about subliminal messages... I realized a while back that they actually kinda work, and so I learned how to make my own subliminals to listen to while I'm sleeping (just things like productivity, health, etc). And it occurred to me a few weeks back that there's a very strong likelihood that there's a lot of subliminal messaging out there around Covid that might be responsible for part of the hysteria.

    So I made another subliminal to basically counteract the effect of any subliminal message that I didn't consciously consent to... let's hope it works! But all that to say... I suspect that there is subliminal messaging around a LOT of this stuff.

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 11:42pm

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    Kevin Hogan

    In one of Kevin's emails from around a decade ago, he discussed research that showed an inverse relationship with subconcious information.  Said another way, the less we notice something, the more we are influenced by it.

    Derren Brown uses this a lot... psychological magic!

    Something to think about when faced with what seems insurmountable obstacles to change a worrying course in history.  How hard would it be to get a group of protestors for example to participate in this, thus carrying a subliminal message out to the public without appearing to do anything at all?

    I love how you make your own subliminals.  I used to play with Audacity but all the other stuff you have to download with it means I haven't bothered lately.  Instead I cheat and use Subliminal Shenobi via youtube or one of my collection of Paraliminals from time to time.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 12:47am

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    bethafoot said:

    So that thing from Kevin makes a lot of sense, because if we're consciously aware of something, there's potentially some inherent skepticism that our brains will go through. A self defense mechanism, if you will. But if it's all subconscious and we aren't aware, it's as if we don't have any natural defense against that and it will just slip right past. Which is why this can be so concerning, the thought that potentially the masses are being manipulated via subliminals.

    I've used some other people's subliminals but I am very un-trusting, for one, but the way I do them is I set them all to a rainfall track so that I can just create playlists for specific areas. Like if I have a big day at work the next day, I'll listen to my work & productivity playlist. If I'm wanting to focus on more motivation to get moving and eating right, I'll listen more to those ones, or if I'm going to fast the next day I listen to my fasting subliminal and have next to no hunger the next day. I can add and remove them and just sleep through it all night long because it's the same white noise track for each one, and I play them on a loop, so it's REAL convenient to have my own custom ones.

    I kinda like your idea! Not sure about how it would be pulled off. Ethically of course, it would feel weird to me to be intentionally trying to subliminal message someone without their knowledge. Even though I'd really love to just wake people up.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 2:52am

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    Investigate Reverse Speech about subliminals

    Look up Reverse Speech by David Oates. It fits in with the idea of using subliminal messaging.  https://reversespeech.com/2013/12/reverse-speech-theory/

    Highly advise listening to some reversals before blowing it off as nonsense. Since this occurs in day to day life, it makes sense the elite would know of it and use it. Then there is Voice of god technology, etc.

    Fauci lying

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAyApoRJ-og

    Bottom line is that in normal conversations, there are fragments of the true intent of the speaker sent directly to the unconscious of the listener. When either lying or highly emotional, these blurts tend to occur more often. This is why women, who as newborns are already more clued in to auditory sense, often pick up subtle verbal bits and will mention they distrust or dislike someone they just met.

    If the receiver is in traumatized state, they are more persuadable.  It is a principle of Monarch Programming. It is also the core plot of the Manchurian Candidate.
    Frightening people for a long time, caging their movements, and then manipulating their money and jobs certainly qualifies as trauma.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 3:54am

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    Women and intuition

    My friend/teacher Leonard Orr had a collection of spiritual practices designed to clear out what he called The Death Urge.  One thing he would do was to donate blood regularly.  He thought that women were more intuitive because of the regular blood loss that cleansed the body spiritually.

    I looked into backwards speech years ago and didn't think much of it.  Of course that doesn't mean there is nothing there...plenty of language patterns do work, NLP + the metamodel for example.

    Back to my friend Leonard... he used to describe confusion as the state between two realities.  I think that's a good definition.

    The example of the White House set being designed deliberately to confuse is worrying... in a state of confusion you are highly susceptible to influence.

    Leonard would say that if you were confused to choose which reality you want to believe.  This has worked for me to cut through confusion while under high stress so I could make effective decisions.

    Most people don't think this way so I'm not optimistic of the results of this mass mind experiment especially given the issues caused by it.

    I can see a point maybe as soon as mid December where the masses turn and no amount of fake sets or clever psychological tricks will quell the anger.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 4:52am

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    EMPP0001 said:

    I believe things can go and end up just like how they are without some masterplan or conspiracy. Information distorts (Selfish Gene/Meme theory, Richard Dawkings), and more so in the digital age. MSM automatically promotes polarization and misinformation (Manufacturing consent, Noam Chomsky). Corporations rule the world, not men, corporations have no conscience they are on a higher level of emergence hierarchy than men, and money is the perfect tool to change the world. And it is changing; for optimizing corporate profits.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 11:22am

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    Not convinced

    That reverse speech video of Fauci seems to really be grasping at straws trying to find meaningful content in his reversed speech.  I also can't for the life of me come up with a mechanism for humans to develop the capability to unconsciously speak in ways that their true message comes out when the wave pattern of their speech is reversed in time.  The ability to record speech and play it back reversed is a blip in the history of language.  Of course, we would also need the capability to hear speech and unconsciously reverse it in our mind and derive meaning from it.

    On the other hand, there are real techniques to manipulate people that are fairly well understood.

    I would argue that it is very important for us to develop our ability to be present in the moment and to understand the inner workings of our psyche, particularly our patterns of unconsciously re-enacting the actions we took as children to protect ourselves from the challenging and sometimes traumatic situations we found ourselves in. By doing this, we are much more capable of seeing the manipulation in progress.  Once we see it, it has little if any power over us.

    Internal Family Systems therapy is one framework for understanding this.  In this framework, there are "parts" in our psyches including exiles, wounded children who found themselves in scary, sometimes overwhelmingly scary situations they could not handle.  The other important parts are protectors, those inner parts who stepped in to protect the child at the time, often with a brilliant method that got important needs met.  However, those methods tend to get frozen in place - used over and over again for decades even though they are dysfunctional in our current adult lives.

    As an example, in my life, as a small child, reaching out, making friends, participating in groups, even sharing challenges with my parents were very scary for me.  I eventually developed a huge case of social anxiety and often isolated myself, making things worse of course.  This triggered that existential fear of being without a tribe to look out for me.  This was my exile.

    My protectors developed over a number of years including the people pleaser (if I do what you want, you'll love and protect me) in early childhood; the fake rebel ("They're all a bunch of no good party animals with no morals or sense of what's really important") - as a young teen, and the addict ("This is too scary, I'll just escape into my books, my thoughts, my hobbies, etc.") probably in middle childhood.").

    A huge part of my coming to this place where I can see the world for what it is (or at least more of what it is) and am more and more able to act with courage from my inner knowing,  has been coming to know these parts viscerally and to be aware of them more and more often as soon as they awaken and try to run my inner show.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 12:12pm

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    marcusb said:

    I would suspect he's referring to this report from the Brookings Institute: https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/.  The actual research in that white paper was done by Franklin Templeton-Gallup.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 12:14pm

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    true on both sides

    yes, trump was used to fear monger those on the left. and he did do a number of horrible things. and biden is used to fear monger those on the right. and he is no saint either. The important thing to remember is that as long as we the people perceive each other as dems or repubs or liberals and conservatives the rich win because we are too busy pointing fingers at each other, when the rich are the ones causing us the trouble.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 1:21pm

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    Oregon changes guidelines to combat substitute teacher shortage

    "In response, the state Teacher Standards and Practices Commission filed a temporary order to establish emergency substitute teacher licenses.

    "Under this order, the only requirements are for candidates to be 18 years of age and older and undergo a background check."

    https://katu.com/news/local/oregon-changes-guidelines-for-substitute-teachers-to-combat-shortage

     

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 1:31pm

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    Replying to Oregon substitute teacher shortage (#58)

    I just went to a supermarket and an Italian food specialty store. Both had signs up offering employment. The supermarket not only had a sign up but was also advertising open positions on the audio feed.

    At the check out counter in the Supermarket, the line was going very slowly since the cashier was obviously very old and could only move slowly. I got the impression that he was hired since they could not find anyone else to do the job.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 3:03pm

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    MQ said:

    I agree. We are all being played by experts. It is getting really hard to duck all the red herrings...just sayin'.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 3:31pm

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    Green pass tatoo

    Insanity has reached a new level.

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3dapk/qr-code-tattoos-pandemic-vaccine-green-pass

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 6:46pm

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    The Mark of the Beast

    Did I read something about this in Revelations? You are not allowed to go the market without it.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 6:57pm

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    Christian Winters said:

    I was interested in what Chris was getting at with his statements about all this fakery. I didn’t really hear anything substantive, just an alluding to the purposeful nature of the weirdness and “Truman show” look to the set. Anyone have any ideas what the motives here are?

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 7:18pm

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    Cult of the anti-vaxxer

    ...actually seems applicable to the mainstream narrative.  Here in NZ we are about to start a "Vax-a-thon" which I'm certain will prove this very point.

    Don't ask me who will watch this.  All I can think of is very lonely vaccinated people with no internet access who want social proof their decision was the right one.  If you are on the fence at this point I doubt you are giving up part of your weekend to finally decide.

    Apologies in advance for linking to anything CNN.





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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 7:21pm

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    The precise rules of the ‘game’ of living in society must be spelled out clearly

    A most excellent short read!

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/10/12/deplorable-until-proven-compliant-kafka-social-credit-critical-theory/

    .... Various forms of corrupted ‘good-standing’ behaviour, the origin of virtue signaling, was endorsed and de facto enforced. The idea of victimless crimes emerged, as well as the creation of two categories, malum in se (real moral crimes) and malum prohibitum (technical violations).

    This meant that the appearance of good standing could be purchased through show-boat philanthropy, but also the laws themselves could be wantonly violated through the paying of bribes.

    Societies of scale have effectively justified and encouraged this type of social credit system, which works as a type of stratified class system: rules for thee but not for me. We see this today with the masking system. ....

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 8:33pm

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    That CNN clip was hilarious

    Of course there's a grain of truth in it in that some people have turned the vaccine into the devil when maybe it has some applicability to some people in some situation. Nah, I take that back.  With early treatment, it's probably at best neutral for vulnerable people..

    But the much bigger truth is that everything he says  fits the vaccination crowd oh so well.  There's the irrational fear promotion.  The latest example is the 14 year old boy who died of a brain tumor, but tested positive in the hospital 2 days before his death.  He became officially the youngest "covid death" in Alberta and the media was all over it.  The devil in the vaccination story is of course the disease blown up to larger than life size.  And it's cult leaders are the vaccine and it's cheerleaders.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 8:40pm

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    Diabolical Disorientation

    Pray to see the truth and for others to also see through the propaganda.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 9:00pm

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    The Great Reset on the same site

    Strategic Culture has a two part article on the origins of the great reset

    The Great Reset: How a ‘Managerial Revolution’ Was Plotted 80 Years Ago by a Trotskyist-turned-CIA Neocon

    How the Great Reset Was First Thought Up by the Original Proselytizer of Totalitarianism and the Father of Neo-Conservatism

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 9:44pm

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    More on that anti-vaxxer cult video

    Prepare for you enthusiastic provaxx friends, family, coworkers, neighbors and strangers to try what he suggests on you. They probably won't be able to maintain their cool, though.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 9:53pm

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    Anti-vaxxer cult video

    Take the same discussion of cult recruiting and replace vaccine with virus and we might be onto something.

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  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 11:33pm

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    CNN 'antivaxxers' are a cult

    so... a perfect example of accusing the opponent of something one is guilty of

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 12:15am

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    A Cult

    Note the ring on the middle finger of the left hand at 6:47

    He should know all about cults.

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 12:34am

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    Jane B said:

    This is also how I see it...Trump fulfilled his role

     

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 1:58am

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    Les, you are caught in the psychosis.

    The vaxxed shed more virus than Purebloods, and your dose fails after 6 months. Re-evaluate your misinformation sources in the MSM

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 5:21am

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    DaveDD said:

    This is almost a contradiction in terminis. Once in a psychosis, re-evaluation of misinformation is impossible. The problem that we are facing is brilliantly illustrated by the post of LesPhelps and yours. No rational discussion is possible, both sides are caught in their own "reality". I think that we also have to always check if we are still rational. Based on the discussion on this site and the often very careful balancing of data and information, my guess is that most people here are still sane, sad, angry, overwhelmed, but still sane.

    I actually fully respect Les's and others vaxxed approach to stay away from unvaxxed people, as long as they do not "other" us, force us, threaten us and mistreat us as is happening in many countries.

     

     

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 6:10am

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    Ref #64

    Wow, I was distracted the first minute and when my attention focused back to the the video, I thought he was talking about the "other" cult.

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 6:34am

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    The picture and the frame

    @Barry_Silverthorn asks:

     Is it possible that the government, news media and even tradespeople who build studio sets are victims of the mass psychosis as well?  Will some subconsciously - or consciously - choose the path that Richard Heinberg refers to as "last man standing"?

    "One of the options discussed by Heinberg in his latest book is the “Last Man Standing” scenario, in which the powerful (most often the ultra-wealthy and politically connected within American society and societies of other nations) will use their assets to promote their own survival at the expense of everyone else."

    The Heinberg scenario seems like a 'duh' to me. Of course the farm managers run the farm in such a way that their lives and livelihoods are not affected, or are least affected, by the strictures hard times require.

    In our own ways, we're all doing the same: sharing with each other the ways we are using our resources to secure our futures as well as we can - precious metals, bitcoin, land and infrastructure, stored food, bug-out bags; it's the same thing, just on smaller financial scales. Every individual in every species does the same; it's nature.

    I don't think that behavior is psychotic. Psychosis involves inability to distinguish reality from fantasy. The farmers are not psychotic, they're sociopathic - they know and don't care what harm their actions cause others, and so they're gaslighting us to promote psychosis in the farm animals in order to manipulate and control circumstances to their benefit.

    But I like @yagasjai's distinction between hysteria and psychosis (comment #12). Most of us are not becoming psychotic, we are suffering from induced mass hysteria. We will regain our minds when and as we find relief from the mass-media-promulgated fear porn.

    For me, the big-picture question is: when will the animals on the farm invade the farm house? Because that too will happen if the path doesn't change - it is also a 'duh'. But it requires stepping back from the gaslighting to see the picture in its frame.

    The "government, news media and even tradespeople who build studio sets" certainly know what they are doing, and why - at least at the decision-making and instruction-issuing levels. Maybe some of the people in front of the cameras and hammering nails don't know, or choose to not know, but the bosses and designers definitely do.

    All of them, one way or another, think that going along enhances their personal survival and ability to thrive. Some don't know they're just tools; others rightly understand they're the tool manipulators.

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 8:29am

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    Timing coincidence?

    Jeffrey Epstein's demise in August 2019 and the subsequent collection of some rather embarrassing files might have provided a nifty assurance of cooperation by otherwise reluctant movers and shakers, eh?

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 9:15am

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    brushhog said:

    Prepare for you enthusiastic provaxx friends, family, coworkers, neighbors and strangers to try what he suggests on you. They probably won't be able to maintain their cool, though

    I dont have any enthusiastic provaxx friends, family members, or coworkers. If they are, they probably know to hide it from me by now, LOL. As for strangers?? I do believe that prying into a stranger's personal medical decisions may earn you a black eye or two.

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 10:38am

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    Causing adverse vaccine reactions?

    Could this phenomenon be causing adverse vaccine reactions I am wondering?  It makes total sense to me.  Personally I don't know of anyone with an adverse vaccine reaction but I have found that those on the internet who claim to know a number of cases are very negative of the vaccine.  Those who got the vaccine with friends speaking doom and gloom are going to essentially be set up for this phenomenon.  Also I remember hearing (maybe it was from Chris) that the girl who ended up in the wheel chair after the vaccination trial was found to have no explainable reason physiologically so may be psychological?

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 11:01am

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    Gaslighting and the picture in its frame

    "But it requires stepping back from the gaslighting to see the picture in its frame."

    One bigger-picture question on my mind is whether the majority of humans have an awareness on some deep level that we've arrived at the squeeze-point of the energy/economy/environment funnel and that there is no painless way to pass through it.  Are we moving from Denial, Pain and Guilt, to the Anger and Bargaining Stage of grief, and is that being played out through the frustration of lockdowns, mask-wearing, vaccines and all the drama and division that surrounds these things?  Is it Covid vaccines that are turning people against each other or are we 7 billion people acting out over our collective grief?   And are we easily manipulated in our grief?  I suppose this is Fourth Turning material.

    "Howe and Strauss predicted that the start of the Fourth Turning would have been 2005, plus or minus a few years. With this in mind, it appears the 2008 Financial Crisis was the trigger for the move into the current Fourth Turning. They predicted a climax coming around 2020 and the resolution, including a “Great Devaluation” as the economy is entirely restructured for a new set of circumstances, around 2026."

     

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 11:41am

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    DaveDD said:

    The weird thing is, I only know a few people that are unvaxxed, but most vaxxed persons I know are pretty respectful. Many of these are actually quite critical about the current situation. For now that is, I think that this winter will be very telling. For bow I consider myself lucky (I typed this on my phone while drinking a nice Belgium beer in a cafe the refuses to check for the corona pass😂

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 12:09pm

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    VTGothic said:

    I do think people are waking up to the way they've been played over the dangers of Covid. It's clearly been hyped. Whether that's part of the larger frame of moving through stages of grief over human over-use of resources and the planet -- I just don't see it. Yet. Hopefully that comes sooner than later so we do less environmental damage, but I don't see it now.

    As for the perceived "frustration of lockdowns, mask-wearing, vaccines and all the drama and division that surrounds these things," I know people on both sides of these issues and what I see on the side of those frustrated is that, first, many of them did not think lockdowns and masks were appropriate to begin with, and most of the rest did not think it made sense to continue the requirements so long. Average small town and rural Vermonters knew the basic lack of crisis within a couple months; most went along with the requirements all the same. But they're done with it, now.

    In my small church of about a dozen people, there are only 2 who are trying to get the rest to agree to go back to zoom for awhile, given Vermont's current record rate of positives and hospitalizations - and this is, too, in the context of our little village of 570 people having witnessed a 30-day ICU stay and death this week of a local, unvaccinated plumber. Two members of the congregation have already retreated to zoom participation as the daughter is high-risk. I don't know which way one member leans who has been away for awhile. But the rest are very certain they're not going back into lockdown, nor do they want to retreat from in-person to zoom services.

    What I find interesting is that those who want to continue meeting in person are perfectly comfortable with those who are concerned about infection choosing to participate via zoom. But those who are afraid are not ready to let go of their effort to make the majority abandon in-person services.

    To the extent our church dynamic can be seen as a proxy for people's general behavior and attitude, I don't see them moving from denial, pain, and guilt toward anger and bargaining over excess resource use, I see long-festering frustration at the time and duration of the lockdown being expressed as determination to not acquiesce again, because those same people are not reducing their consumption or newly espousing environmental concern they haven't previously.

    I think that what I'm seeing is a sign of the great middle of America saying "no" to lockdowns and forced vaccinations. My perception is buttressed by trends across the country, and Western world, where people are refusing even at the cost of their livelihoods. I expect governments to conform, in time.

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 2:50pm

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    Pfizer Scientist admits Pfizer Covid vaccine "just doesn't work" in some people

    https://odysee.com/@ProjectVeritas:7/shock-video-pfizer-scientist-admits:f

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 4:31pm

    One Jab To Rule Them All...

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    One Jab To Rule Them All… said:

    "I do think people are waking up to the way they've been played over the dangers of Covid."

    Maybe in the short term - but the long-term dangers of covid are still unknown.

    Certainly, the late, lockdown measures were ineffective against an aerosolized virus - more theatre than anything practical.

    Personally, I'm trying to avoid both the jab & still minimise exposure to the virus - even though I've probably had it twice...

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 6:56pm

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    Cult of anti vaxxer

    I don’t want to be injected with a substance that is generally not known , to the people who make it and inject it, what the long term health effects are. I was not co opted by a cult, I researched, after sitting on the fence for a long time, and came to the conclusion from my own risk assessment, that the injection is not in my best interests.
    I am a 61 year RN/RM & endorsed immunisation nurse. I am intelligent and curious.So CNN , fuck off.

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 7:55pm

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    I came for the science, I stayed for the psychology

    What a wonderful episode chock-full of profound ideas and truths. I thankfully stumbled across Dr. Chris during the early days of the pandemic, when I know something was NOT right, but I could not place my finger on it. I could sense it, like most of us could, however, I had practically no knowledge of virology, public health management, virolgy, or anything related to a pandemic. I am school teacher, so viruses were not on my radar (beyond trying to avoid colds and flu yearly).

    The lessons and information I have learned through this channel have been tremendous and for that, I am forever grateful to you, Chris. Thank you for shepherding us through these uncertain times.

    I am so interested now in the psychological information being presented. Now that I am an amateur epidemiologist (hehe) I guess I can add psychologist to the list soon. Chris, you have such an amazing gift for being able to take information from all directions and synthesize it and present it in a though-provoking and intelligible way. I totally agree with you- understanding what is happening is paramount to living a resilient and happy life. I believe, as you have mentioned before, that we have a choice about whether we want to participate in a divisive and cruel society. I certainly do not.

    Imagine a world where the main stream media and culture celebrated such brave and intelligent souls such as Dr. Martensen, Dr. Kory, Dr. McCoullough, Jordan Peterson, etc. These brave men may not know the impact that are having. As a Catholic, I believe your impact will be revealed in eternity. Thank you for your courage. I believe you can help to usher in a new age of morality that is so desperately needed. We need to recognize objective truth and goodness. You are helping spread that message.

    I have to go back and read the comments for this video. Have a wonderful weekend all!

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 12:22am

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    To Cull or Not to Cull

    We breed Marino Sheep in Australia. Early into the drought two years ago we had some hard decisions to make... keep all of our breeding stock and buy in feed, or Cull, by way of selling for slaughter 70% of our stock so that we could "manage" them with the feed "resources" that we forcast or estimated to be available to us. We did a combination of both in the end...

    Then if we look at the Club of Rome, Limits to Growth it would seem that our current predicament in relation to "resources" on the planet has been forcast for quite some time. Seems like the WEF has taken up that banner.

    Now to change perspective. The Therapeutics Good Administration in Australia has banned Doctors from prescribing Ivermectin. No treatments for you... from our "management"...

    Why did we Cull and Manage our Sheep in this way? Because it had to be done or they would have all starved to death. We reduced the number of Sheep and provided rationed feed to the remaining to get them through. The two levers Chris has talked about before.

    - we have 2 beautiful children and want them to have a future.

    - we plan ahead.

    - we hope that we will be able to provide them with a good farm to inherit.

    Do TPTB think this way about the Earth?

    Just some food for thought...

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 1:54am

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    Preview WEF future for us- BBC series the Last Enemy

    Broadcast in 2008, this series accurately portrays all the stated goals of WEF. B. cumberbatch plays mathematician who inadvertently aids in the development of TIA total information awareness. “Instant data of every persons complete history nearly instantly.” He uncovers genocide on groups via vaccines, diseases, and mysterious deaths of scientist. All resources being controlled and directed in large cities. Available on different sites including BBC tv.

    Included are:

    digital ids with total surveillance moment by moment

    self driving cars w override so they can be shut off should a person take control

    inability to purchase, enter buildings, ride public transport w/out id

    mandatory and ethically tailored vaccines w built in electronic ids

    the goal of both business and government merging into one

    thinning the herd of undesirables

    Highly recommend watching. The last scene of the series is unforgettable. Think of it as a tutorial.

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 2:05am

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    DaveDD said:

    Hi Staygrey,

    In think that it is definitely possible that TPTB follow the same logic. The thing is: we, the people, are not their flock. We are not their possession. We are not their means of production or the product itself.

    Sheep could be kept for meat, wool, cheese. Humans can create. Every person “culled” by empathyless persons suffering from a grandiosity complex, could have been the essential in a live changing breakthrough technology that would have bettered the world of billions, now we will possibly never know. Every child damaged or killed, is a reduction in the creativity pool of our species, a lost opportunity.

    It reminds me of a story I read about an Hamas official. Hamas was actively recruting suicide bombers. When his son was approached, the official intervened: other children could blow themselves up for “their” good cause, but not his son.

    Is killing and lying and cheating good if the goal is good? Does the end justify the means? This is a deep ethical question, and I’m a stounce follower of Kant’s “formulation of humanity”, explained nicely starting a 6:30 in this video





    Additionaly, Friedrich Nietze, that guy whose thoughts were raped by the Nazi’s also has an opinion about TPTB:





     

     

     

     

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 2:14am

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    The cult guy is a dimwit

    I was in a cult way back when. It was generally recognized back then that the Moonies were the least interesting members of cults. Lots of fear and not a lot of thought.

    I didn't think his analogy to anti-vaxxers stands up. For one thing, the anti-vax circles I travel in are data-driven and not fear-based. We are creating an island of sanity in the midst of swirling mass hysteria. I can only conclude that CNN put him on because he served the narrative.

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 2:25am

    staygrey

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    To Cull

    Yes DaveDD I agree with your thoughts from my own moral standing... Even "if" that is their thought process... as Chris would say... It didn't have to be this way.

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 7:54am

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    I N said:

    Nope. If anything, it's historical. But where ymmv is around the tatics they use to control their populations.

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 11:50am

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    Rotten Tomatoes Clarification

    Chris, I believe that you made a minor mistake around the 37:00 mark.

    As a cinephile, I'm familiar with Rotten Tomatoes, and this clarification is a reason why I no longer frequent their website (except like a wikipedia).

    On the left side is the Tomatometer and on the ride side is the Audience Score. The Tomatometer measures the reactions of professional critics and the Audience Score measure the reactions of general audiences. In this instance, 90% of critics loved the film (denoted by a "fresh" tomato rather than a green splat) and only 4% of audiences loved the film (so low that the icon is spilled popcorn).

    Why this distinction matters: severe polarization between these meters may be an indicator that propaganda is being deployed by the critics. Of course, there are genuine instances of critics "getting" a film and audiences missing the artistic value.

    If I see a polarity like this on Rotten Tomatoes, it's usually a sign that the film can't float on its own (people buy movies, not critics).

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 12:58pm

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    Grandma was right

    Grandma always said "crazy people make sane people crazy"

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 1:37pm

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    KyranCervantes189 said:

    "Could this phenomenon be causing adverse vaccine reactions I am wondering?  It makes total sense to me.  Personally I don't know of anyone with an adverse vaccine reaction but I have found that those on the internet who claim to know a number of cases are very negative of the vaccine.  Those who got the vaccine with friends speaking doom and gloom are going to essentially be set up for this phenomenon.  Also I remember hearing (maybe it was from Chris) that the girl who ended up in the wheel chair after the vaccination trial was found to have no explainable reason physiologically so may be psychological?"

    To be truly open minded I think this has to be considered as well.  So many people have so much fear of getting the vaccine, and then many injured claim that doctors can't find anything wrong with them.  Seems like this mass hysteria could be affecting all parties in this adventure.

    I learned years ago from Dr Sarno that pain is most often mental anguish, I don't see a reason that much vaccine injury could also be a manifestation.

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 1:42pm

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    New Kindle Unlimited book looks good

    Pandemic Blunder: Fauci and Public Health... will automatically appear in your library when the download is complete.

    Looks like a Kory type thing. Have just started it.

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  • Mon, Oct 18, 2021 - 11:14pm

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    goodrich4bk said:

    The Rotten Tomatoes data is even more revealing than Chris notes.  The "Tomatometer" is actually the positive votes of reviewers, i.e., the media.  They voted a 91% "positive".  The audience score is separately stated and is presently 2% favorable (vs. the 4% favorable at the time Chris screen shot the site).

    So what it shows is that very few consumers like or recommend a movie that almost all of the media loves.

    Chris is correct.  Our national psychosis is being driven by the people who own and operate our media.  Whose interests they are pushing is a separate question.

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